[meteorite-list] 14JUN2012 meteor video now posted
Dear List, 240+ reports now! The meteor shows clear fragmentation... rocks!!!? A video of the meteor is now posted from the 14JUN2012 event: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/06/breaking-news-mbiq-detects-ontario.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The term "hammer fall"
Sorry to continue the torture of the horse. I have purchased many different falls and finds from hunters/dealers that contribute to this fine list. Not that my opinion as a small collector matters to the masses, but for me, the term "hammer fall" is irrelevant. If I want a rock that hit a particular something, I buy a "hammer stone" of a fall. If not, I buy a spacerock that appeals both aesthetically and scientifically to me.. Arguing over the semantics could continue indefinitely. Using the term might make the seller feel the stone is more important and makes it more marketable, but to an educated and knowledgeable buyer, it doesn't really matter. Just my two cents Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ontario Meteor over 200 reports
Dear List, This event was seen by hundreds. Breaking News -MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball 14JUN2012 Breaking Meteor News - MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball ~21:54 14JUN2012 http://thelatestworldwidemeteorreports.blogspot.com/ http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse)
Hi Mike, Welcome back from the new fall. Grab a cudgel and get a few licks in on this pile of sad horse flesh... Mike said - How do you come up with this? I was at the New Orleans house 40 hours after > t fell. While it was not seen to hit the house, the homeowner had gone to > work at 7 am and returned home at 5 pm finding his house full of rocks and > destruction. Isn't that what I said? . Other Mike said - "When the New Orleans meteorite fell, penetrated the house and left a path of minor destruction (writing desk, etc), nobody was home. The owners were out and did not come home to find the cosmic damage until later. " Mike said - " The neighbors reported huge crashing noise like a car accident > at ~4 pm I think, and several airline pilots reported a fireball." I did not recall this information. Thanks for clarifying that. Mike said - " I am pretty sure that the fact that the meteorite went through 3 floors that > day > That the noncom had enough evidence to know that the New Orleans meteorite > fell on that date between the hours of 7 am and 5 pm." Isn't that what I said? Other Mike said - "The find was determined to be a fall based on - the freshness >> of the material found, the testimony of the homeowners, and the >> obvious damage caused by this material." Thanks for paraphrasing what I said and correcting me on the independent witness info. > How can you guys take the simplest thing like fall and find and yap about it > for days? It's called beating a dead horse. It starts out as swatting the flies, but escalates from there. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/14/12, Michael Farmer wrote: > How do you come up with this? I was at the New Orleans house 40 hours after > t fell. While it was not seen to hit the house, the homeowner had gone to > work at 7 am and returned home at 5 pm finding his house full of rocks and > destruction. The neighbors reported huge crashing noise like a car accident > at ~4 pm I think, and several airline pilots reported a fireball. > I am pretty sure that the fact that the meteorite went through 3 floors that > day > That the noncom had enough evidence to know that the New Orleans meteorite > fell on that date between the hours of 7 am and 5 pm. > > How can you guys take the simplest thing like fall and find and yap about it > for days? > > Perhaps some people need to try knitting for a hobby, seems less > controversial. > Michael Farmer > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Michael Gilmer > wrote: > >> Hi John and List, >> >> Good question. Let me attempt to answer. If I fail, perhaps Capt. >> Blood will chime in or another hammerhead will jump to the rescue. >> >> All hammers are falls, because if a hammer falls and nobody is around >> to notice it, it will never be discoveredand is therefore not a >> hammer or a fall. >> >> Let me put it this way - New Orleans is a recent example of an >> unwitnessed hammer that is considered a fall. When the New Orleans >> meteorite fell, penetrated the house and left a path of minor >> destruction (writing desk, etc), nobody was home. The owners were out >> and did not come home to find the cosmic damage until later. In this >> particular case, nobody directly witnessed the fall or the damage >> being done. If I recall correctly, there were no indirect witnesses >> as well - no radar track, no fireball video, no other witnesses on the >> ground. The find was determined to be a fall based on - the freshness >> of the material found, the testimony of the homeowners, and the >> obvious damage caused by this material. >> >> Met Bull states that the New Orleans meteorite is a fall, so it is >> therefore a "observed fall" or "witnessed fall" in officially-approved >> nomenclature and accepted use amongst the majority of collectors and >> dealers. Additionally, some hammerheads may refer to it as a "hammer >> fall". Also of note, New Orleans is a single stone fall, therefore >> the New Orleans meteorite is a "hammer stone" because it struck a >> house and manmade objects. >> >> Under different circumstances, the New Orleans meteorite may have gone >> unnoticed and unreported. The lower 9th Ward of New Orleans is >> desolate today, as a result of lingering damage from hurricane >> Katrina. Large stretches of homes and businesses are vacant and >> falling into disrepair. There are squatters, homeless persons, gang >> elements, and other transients that reside in the area. The same is >> true for other areas of New Orleans to varying degrees. If the stone >> had fallen in one of these houses, with no first-hand witnesses, it is >> likely to lay undiscover
Re: [meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites! Thank You
Hi List, I just wanted to Thank everyone for their kind words and concern for Brix. I think (and hope) the cat must have headed for a more peaceful yard because we have not seen or heard anything since the incident. It is pretty rare to have this happen in Las Vegas but from the responses I got it seems like it is more common than we thought. Thanks Again, Sonny -Original Message- From: wahlperry To: meteorite-list Sent: Wed, Jun 13, 2012 6:52 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Brix finds more than just meteorites! Hi All,Early this morning Georgia was awoke to the sound of Brix barking ferociously in the backyard. It turned out there was an uninvited guest out back and Brix was not happy. Over the last couple of months we have been finding large piles of scat that had been buried in the kennel. We thought Brix had been watching our cats a little too much and had started burying his droppings. Well as is turns out it was from a suspected Bobcat. We are not sure yet. The Department of Wildlife is investigating. Talk about an exciting morning! Brix got an early Rabies shot booster and is perfectly fine except for a little lost fur and a couple scratches on his forehead! Hopefully they will be willing to relocate the cat. Time will tell. There is a news link below.Sonnyhttp://www.fox5vegas.com/story/18783046/bobcat-attacks-dog-in- northwest-las-vegas__Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.htmlMeteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/li stinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball 14JUN2012
Dear List, Large fireball seen over Ontario / Quebec Canada - over 50 reports: Breaking News -MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball 14JUN2012 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/06/breaking-news-mbiq-detects-ontario.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEO Asteroid 2012 LZ1 Fear Mongering and Profiteering 14/15JUN2012
Dear List, Internet rumors are out of control concerning 2012 LZ1 "hitting Earth". I have had several hundreds of people searching my website for info concerning this asteroid passing. NEO Asteroid 2012 LZ1 Fear Mongering on Internet NEO asteroid 2012 LZ1 is NOT going to hit the Earth... http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/06/neo-asteroid-2012-lz1-fear-mongering.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost email message
Would the person who sent me an email message inquiring about two of my CV3 slices in my eBay store please resend your email message to me? I was travelling at the time and I apologize but your email message was lost from my phone. Thank you, Jack __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Opportunity Update: June 06-11, 2012
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Slow Going Due to Communication Issues - sols 2975-2980, June 06-11, 2012: Opportunity has been investigating light-toned veins around the north end of Cape York on the rim of Endeavour Crater. Recently, things became complicated, first by Mars Odyssey orbiter going into safe mode, leaving Opportunity without timely relay support, and then by a missed Ultra High Frequency (UHF) relay pass with Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter on Sol 2976 (June 7, 2012). The project responded to the missed UHF pass by sending real-time commands to the rover on Sol 2977 (June 8, 2012), to elicit a response to make sure Opportunity was okay. Further, the project asked MRO to change the data rate on the next relay pass to ensure lock-up under poor Signal to Noise Ratio conditions. The missed relay pass was likely the result of poor relay geometry between the orbiter and rover. With Odyssey unavailable for relay support for a number of days, the MER project converted several future rover Deep Space Network tracking passes from "Direct from Earth" to "Direct to Earth" to return some telemetry directly over the rover's X-band system. The plans forward for Opportunity have been modest, mostly remote sensing, owing to the lack of relay support from Odyssey. A bump of the rover was sequenced for Sol 2981 (June 12, 2012). This will be followed by a MRO UHF relay pass to return the drive results. As of Sol 2977 (June 8, 2012), solar array energy production was 388 watt-hours with an atmospheric opacity (Tau) of 0.338 and a solar array dust factor of 0.567. Total odometry is 21.42 (34,469.86 meters). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Yyou dont want to miss these meteorites for sale! Historic and more!
Thanks for all the emails and an extra thanks to someone special out there... I am listing on ebay for the ease of offering pictures here and a wider selling audience. Here is the link: http://www.ebay.com/sch/wanderingstarmeteorites/m.html?hash=item5adfd1c404&item=390302123012&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562 Contact me by email or phone for offers for sale off ebay. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites From: Greg Catterton To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 1:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - Yyou dont want to miss these meteorites for sale! Historic and more! Hi, I have a huge sale going right now. Here is what it includes: Travis County (a) 26.1 gram slice from Monnig collection with provenance and label. Seina fusion crusted fragment with museum provenance and TWO labels. History and provenance like this are not cheap... Fukang 32g pallasite slice - outstanding translucent slice will make you drool Sleeper Camp (very rare) s1.28g slice with full provenance from two IMCA members Whitecourt Iron meteorite with GPS, display, pin, photos and export permit NWA 6173 L4 meteorite 35.5g complete slice - a chondrule fantasy! Carancas fragments (up to 30g lots) L'agile slices Allende individuals and slices Bassikounou individuals and end cuts Camel Donga Bensour individuals Campo del cielo Chergach individuals and slices Sikhote-Alin individuals Moss Murray Murchison Karoonda Orguiel (with ASU provenance) Ivuna Tagish Lake Canyon Diablo Buzzard Coulee individuals Whetstone Mountain slices NWA 6870 CV3 NWA 6871 Ure (very unusual) NWA 5400 NWA 5363 NWA 6077 NWA 5511 NWA 6550 I have a lot more available I am uploading to facebook today. Selling it all to help with me and my kids get back on our feet... Message me if interested and for pics/prices. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test of Spare Wheel Puts Mars Odyssey on Path to Recovery
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-176 Test of Spare Wheel Puts Orbiter on Path to Recovery Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 14, 2012 Mars Odyssey Mission Status Report PASADENA, Calif. -- In a step toward returning NASA's Mars Odyssey orbiter to full service, mission controllers have tested a spare reaction wheel on the spacecraft for potential use with two other reaction wheels in adjusting and maintaining the spacecraft's orientation. After more than 11 years of non-operational storage, the spare reaction wheel passed preliminary tests on Wednesday, June 12, spinning at up to 5,000 rotations per minute forward and backward. Odyssey engineers plan to substitute it for a reaction wheel they have assessed as no longer reliable. That wheel stuck for a few minutes last week, causing Odyssey to put itself into safe mode on June 8, Universal Time (June 7, Pacific Time). Safe mode is a precautionary status with reduced activity. "We are taking steps to assess the replacement of the troublesome wheel with the spare that Odyssey has been carrying for exactly this purpose," said Mars Odyssey Project Manager Gaylon McSmith of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "If the assessment results are positive, this will put us on a path toward resuming full use of Odyssey." Like many other spacecraft, Odyssey uses a set of three reaction wheels to control its attitude, or which way it is facing relative to the sun, Earth or Mars. Increasing the rotation rate of a reaction wheel inside the spacecraft causes the spacecraft itself to rotate in the opposite direction. The configuration in use since launch combines the effects of three wheels at right angles to each other to provide control in all directions. The orbiter carries a fourth reaction wheel skewed at angles to all three others so that it can be used as a substitute for any one of them. This spare wheel had not rotated since before Odyssey's April 7, 2001, launch. Odyssey can also use thrusters to control its attitude. Reaction wheels offer the advantage of running on renewable electricity from the orbiter's solar array, rather than drawing on the finite supply of thruster fuel. They also provide more precise control of pointing, which can enable higher data-rate communications through the orbiter's directional antenna. Odyssey has worked at Mars for more than 10 years, which is longer than any other Mars mission in history. Besides conducting its own scientific observations, it serves as a communication relay for robots on the Martian surface. NASA plans to use Odyssey and the newer Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter as communication relays for the Mars Science Laboratory mission during the landing and Mars-surface operations of that mission's Curiosity rover. Odyssey is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems in Denver built the spacecraft. JPL and Lockheed Martin collaborate on operating the spacecraft. For more about the Mars Odyssey mission, visit: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2012-176 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Easing into its Final Science Orbit
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2012-175 Dawn Easing into its Final Science Orbit Jet Propulsion Laboratory June 14, 2012 After successfully completing nearly five months scrutinizing the giant asteroid Vesta at its lowest orbit altitude, NASA's Dawn spacecraft will begin its final major science data-gathering phase at Vesta on June 15, at an average altitude of 420 miles (680 kilometers) above the surface. Over the past six weeks, Dawn has been gently spiraling up from its lowest orbit - 130 miles, or 210 kilometers, above the surface - to the final planned science orbit, known as high-altitude mapping orbit 2. Observations obtained from this orbit will provide a companion set of data and images to those obtained during the first high-altitude mapping orbit phase, completed in October 2011. A key difference will be that the angle of sunlight hitting Vesta has changed, illuminating more of its northern region. The principal science observations planned in this new orbit will be obtained with the framing camera and the visible and infrared mapping spectrometer. Following this final science data gathering phase, Dawn will then spend almost five weeks spiraling out from the giant asteroid to the point at which Vesta will lose its gravitational hold on the spacecraft. That departure day is expected to be around Aug. 26. Dawn will turn to view Vesta as it leaves and acquire more data. Then, Dawn will set its sights on the dwarf planet Ceres, and begin a two-and-a-half year journey to investigate the largest body in the main asteroid belt. Dawn will enter orbit around Ceres in 2015. Dawn's mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Dawn is a project of the directorate's Discovery Program, managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. UCLA is responsible for overall Dawn mission science. Orbital Sciences Corp. in Dulles, Va., designed and built the spacecraft. The German Aerospace Center, the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, the Italian Space Agency and the Italian National Astrophysical Institute are international partners on the mission team. The California Institute of Technology in Pasadena manages JPL for NASA. To view the new images and for more information about Dawn, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/dawn and http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov . Priscilla Vega/Jia-Rui Cook 818-354-1357/4-0850 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. priscilla.r.v...@jpl.nasa.gov / jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov 2012-175 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Linseed/Flaxseed Oil
Apologies to those who already know this. The old warning about oily rags catching fire is true, just that petroleum oil is very unlikely to do this so most people ignore the warnings. Natural oils are more likely to do this, with Linseed/Flaxseed topping the list. Not only can it catch fire, it *will* catch fire if left wadded up. Sorry, I have no clue about using it on meteorites. Be great on wooden handled magnet sticks. -- William On Thursday 14 June 2012, Michael Bross wrote: > Hi everyone > > By sheer coincidence I met someone advising to use Linseed/Flaxseed oil > to protect and finish an antique wood furniture. (from my 100 years old > grandma, btw) > > He also uses that oil to protect and nourish very old coins or other > old, oxidized artifacts he founds. > > Has anyone used that oil for meteorites ? I am thinking about > potentially high rusting meteorites... > And... what are the outcomes ? > > Thanks for any feedback > > > Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse)
Mike and all, Just thought I'd muddy the waters ;-) Walnut Hill, Maine is listed as a find but is also a hammer stone as it was found during the repair of a chicken brooding house. Don't you just love those exceptions to the rule! Cheers, Frank From: Michael Gilmer To: John Hendry Cc: Meteorite List Sent: Thu, June 14, 2012 12:10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse) Hi John and List, Good question. Let me attempt to answer. If I fail, perhaps Capt. Blood will chime in or another hammerhead will jump to the rescue. All hammers are falls, because if a hammer falls and nobody is around to notice it, it will never be discoveredand is therefore not a hammer or a fall. Let me put it this way - New Orleans is a recent example of an unwitnessed hammer that is considered a fall. When the New Orleans meteorite fell, penetrated the house and left a path of minor destruction (writing desk, etc), nobody was home. The owners were out and did not come home to find the cosmic damage until later. In this particular case, nobody directly witnessed the fall or the damage being done. If I recall correctly, there were no indirect witnesses as well - no radar track, no fireball video, no other witnesses on the ground. The find was determined to be a fall based on - the freshness of the material found, the testimony of the homeowners, and the obvious damage caused by this material. Met Bull states that the New Orleans meteorite is a fall, so it is therefore a "observed fall" or "witnessed fall" in officially-approved nomenclature and accepted use amongst the majority of collectors and dealers. Additionally, some hammerheads may refer to it as a "hammer fall". Also of note, New Orleans is a single stone fall, therefore the New Orleans meteorite is a "hammer stone" because it struck a house and manmade objects. Under different circumstances, the New Orleans meteorite may have gone unnoticed and unreported. The lower 9th Ward of New Orleans is desolate today, as a result of lingering damage from hurricane Katrina. Large stretches of homes and businesses are vacant and falling into disrepair. There are squatters, homeless persons, gang elements, and other transients that reside in the area. The same is true for other areas of New Orleans to varying degrees. If the stone had fallen in one of these houses, with no first-hand witnesses, it is likely to lay undiscovered and be carted off to the landfill when the city finally bulldozes the property. In such a case, the fall and damage were never noticed, it is never reported, no material is ever recovered, and the meteorite is never officially recognized or named. Also keep in mind, the criteria for officially approving a meteorite as a "fall" has changed to some degree over the years. Or could say, the criteria was more rigidly enforced in some publications than others. There are several cases of witnessed falls where the witness reports are several years or more removed from recovery of specimens on the ground. Some fall dates have uncertain dates or just a date range (summer of 18xx, etc). Some finds could be regarded as falls and there is some debate or uncertainty around the circumstances (or find location) that resulted in a fall classification being rejected. So, what I am getting at in a rambling fashion is this - if it is a hammer in the true and accepted sense, then it could be called a "hammer fall" or "witnessed fall" or "observed fall" or just a "fall" - depending on whether or not the term is being used officially or just casually. Best regards, MikeG PS - I think this horse is now officially pulverized beyond recognition. To continue this discussion line any further will require someone to acquire a new horse for consideration and possible flogging. -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/14/12, John Hendry wrote: > Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a hole > > in the roof, but nobody saw it fall. > > John > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7221 (20120614) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse)
te, New Orleans is a single stone fall, therefore >> the New Orleans meteorite is a "hammer stone" because it struck a >> house and manmade objects. >> >> Under different circumstances, the New Orleans meteorite may have gone >> unnoticed and unreported. The lower 9th Ward of New Orleans is >> desolate today, as a result of lingering damage from hurricane >> Katrina. Large stretches of homes and businesses are vacant and >> falling into disrepair. There are squatters, homeless persons, gang >> elements, and other transients that reside in the area. The same is >> true for other areas of New Orleans to varying degrees. If the stone >> had fallen in one of these houses, with no first-hand witnesses, it is >> likely to lay undiscovered and be carted off to the landfill when the >> city finally bulldozes the property. In such a case, the fall and >> damage were never noticed, it is never reported, no material is ever >> recovered, and the meteorite is never officially recognized or named. >> >> Also keep in mind, the criteria for officially approving a meteorite >> as a "fall" has changed to some degree over the years. Or could say, >> the criteria was more rigidly enforced in some publications than >> others. There are several cases of witnessed falls where the witness >> reports are several years or more removed from recovery of specimens >> on the ground. Some fall dates have uncertain dates or just a date >> range (summer of 18xx, etc). Some finds could be regarded as falls >> and there is some debate or uncertainty around the circumstances (or >> find location) that resulted in a fall classification being rejected. >> >> So, what I am getting at in a rambling fashion is this - if it is a >> hammer in the true and accepted sense, then it could be called a >> "hammer fall" or "witnessed fall" or "observed fall" or just a "fall" >> - depending on whether or not the term is being used officially or >> just casually. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> PS - I think this horse is now officially pulverized beyond >> recognition. To continue this discussion line any further will >> require someone to acquire a new horse for consideration and possible >> flogging. >> >> -- >> --- >> Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG >> >> Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >> RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >> --- >> >> >> On 6/14/12, John Hendry wrote: >>> Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a >>> hole >>> >>> in the roof, but nobody saw it fall. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature >>> database 7221 (20120614) __ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 7222 (20120614) __ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7222 (20120614) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Narrowing down my microscope choices
Hi Mendy, Does this help? You can download the file. http://www.techinst.com/userfiles/files/Stereo/SMZ10B%20IM.PDF Ed - Original Message - From: "Mendy Ouzillou" To: "met-list" Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Narrowing down my microscope choices Based on the great feedback I have received from Met-List members, I have decided to go with a gently used, Nikon binocular/trinocular zoom microscope. I have narrowed it down to either a Nikon SMZ-2 or SMZ-10. Does anyone have a manual for the SMZ-10? How hard will it be for me to find accessories like ~0.5x and 2x objective lens that don't require a 2nd mortgage? Seems like every scope has slightly different dimensions and so the accessories are custom. Seems like the eyepieces are standard. Is that correct? By the way, the scope will be used to take pics of macro features on meteorites. Not quite yet ready to jump into thin slices ... yet. Thanks, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Linseed/Flaxseed Oil
Hi everyone By sheer coincidence I met someone advising to use Linseed/Flaxseed oil to protect and finish an antique wood furniture. (from my 100 years old grandma, btw) He also uses that oil to protect and nourish very old coins or other old, oxidized artifacts he founds. Has anyone used that oil for meteorites ? I am thinking about potentially high rusting meteorites... And... what are the outcomes ? Thanks for any feedback Michael B. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Narrowing down my microscope choices
Based on the great feedback I have received from Met-List members, I have decided to go with a gently used, Nikon binocular/trinocular zoom microscope. I have narrowed it down to either a Nikon SMZ-2 or SMZ-10. Does anyone have a manual for the SMZ-10? How hard will it be for me to find accessories like ~0.5x and 2x objective lens that don't require a 2nd mortgage? Seems like every scope has slightly different dimensions and so the accessories are custom. Seems like the eyepieces are standard. Is that correct? By the way, the scope will be used to take pics of macro features on meteorites. Not quite yet ready to jump into thin slices ... yet. Thanks, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse)
ed, no material is ever recovered, and the meteorite is never officially recognized or named. Also keep in mind, the criteria for officially approving a meteorite as a "fall" has changed to some degree over the years. Or could say, the criteria was more rigidly enforced in some publications than others. There are several cases of witnessed falls where the witness reports are several years or more removed from recovery of specimens on the ground. Some fall dates have uncertain dates or just a date range (summer of 18xx, etc). Some finds could be regarded as falls and there is some debate or uncertainty around the circumstances (or find location) that resulted in a fall classification being rejected. So, what I am getting at in a rambling fashion is this - if it is a hammer in the true and accepted sense, then it could be called a "hammer fall" or "witnessed fall" or "observed fall" or just a "fall" - depending on whether or not the term is being used officially or just casually. Best regards, MikeG PS - I think this horse is now officially pulverized beyond recognition. To continue this discussion line any further will require someone to acquire a new horse for consideration and possible flogging. -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/14/12, John Hendry wrote: Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a hole in the roof, but nobody saw it fall. John __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7222 (20120614) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse)
dates have uncertain dates or just a date range (summer of 18xx, etc). Some finds could be regarded as falls and there is some debate or uncertainty around the circumstances (or find location) that resulted in a fall classification being rejected. So, what I am getting at in a rambling fashion is this - if it is a hammer in the true and accepted sense, then it could be called a "hammer fall" or "witnessed fall" or "observed fall" or just a "fall" - depending on whether or not the term is being used officially or just casually. Best regards, MikeG PS - I think this horse is now officially pulverized beyond recognition. To continue this discussion line any further will require someone to acquire a new horse for consideration and possible flogging. -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/14/12, John Hendry wrote: Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a hole in the roof, but nobody saw it fall. John __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7222 (20120614) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term (this poor poor horse)
Hi John and List, Good question. Let me attempt to answer. If I fail, perhaps Capt. Blood will chime in or another hammerhead will jump to the rescue. All hammers are falls, because if a hammer falls and nobody is around to notice it, it will never be discoveredand is therefore not a hammer or a fall. Let me put it this way - New Orleans is a recent example of an unwitnessed hammer that is considered a fall. When the New Orleans meteorite fell, penetrated the house and left a path of minor destruction (writing desk, etc), nobody was home. The owners were out and did not come home to find the cosmic damage until later. In this particular case, nobody directly witnessed the fall or the damage being done. If I recall correctly, there were no indirect witnesses as well - no radar track, no fireball video, no other witnesses on the ground. The find was determined to be a fall based on - the freshness of the material found, the testimony of the homeowners, and the obvious damage caused by this material. Met Bull states that the New Orleans meteorite is a fall, so it is therefore a "observed fall" or "witnessed fall" in officially-approved nomenclature and accepted use amongst the majority of collectors and dealers. Additionally, some hammerheads may refer to it as a "hammer fall". Also of note, New Orleans is a single stone fall, therefore the New Orleans meteorite is a "hammer stone" because it struck a house and manmade objects. Under different circumstances, the New Orleans meteorite may have gone unnoticed and unreported. The lower 9th Ward of New Orleans is desolate today, as a result of lingering damage from hurricane Katrina. Large stretches of homes and businesses are vacant and falling into disrepair. There are squatters, homeless persons, gang elements, and other transients that reside in the area. The same is true for other areas of New Orleans to varying degrees. If the stone had fallen in one of these houses, with no first-hand witnesses, it is likely to lay undiscovered and be carted off to the landfill when the city finally bulldozes the property. In such a case, the fall and damage were never noticed, it is never reported, no material is ever recovered, and the meteorite is never officially recognized or named. Also keep in mind, the criteria for officially approving a meteorite as a "fall" has changed to some degree over the years. Or could say, the criteria was more rigidly enforced in some publications than others. There are several cases of witnessed falls where the witness reports are several years or more removed from recovery of specimens on the ground. Some fall dates have uncertain dates or just a date range (summer of 18xx, etc). Some finds could be regarded as falls and there is some debate or uncertainty around the circumstances (or find location) that resulted in a fall classification being rejected. So, what I am getting at in a rambling fashion is this - if it is a hammer in the true and accepted sense, then it could be called a "hammer fall" or "witnessed fall" or "observed fall" or just a "fall" - depending on whether or not the term is being used officially or just casually. Best regards, MikeG PS - I think this horse is now officially pulverized beyond recognition. To continue this discussion line any further will require someone to acquire a new horse for consideration and possible flogging. -- --- Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- On 6/14/12, John Hendry wrote: > Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a hole > > in the roof, but nobody saw it fall. > > John > > > __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature > database 7221 (20120614) __ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Yyou dont want to miss these meteorites for sale! Historic and more!
Hi, I have a huge sale going right now. Here is what it includes: Travis County (a) 26.1 gram slice from Monnig collection with provenance and label. Seina fusion crusted fragment with museum provenance and TWO labels. History and provenance like this are not cheap... Fukang 32g pallasite slice - outstanding translucent slice will make you drool Sleeper Camp (very rare) s1.28g slice with full provenance from two IMCA members Whitecourt Iron meteorite with GPS, display, pin, photos and export permit NWA 6173 L4 meteorite 35.5g complete slice - a chondrule fantasy! Carancas fragments (up to 30g lots) L'agile slices Allende individuals and slices Bassikounou individuals and end cuts Camel Donga Bensour individuals Campo del cielo Chergach individuals and slices Sikhote-Alin individuals Moss Murray Murchison Karoonda Orguiel (with ASU provenance) Ivuna Tagish Lake Canyon Diablo Buzzard Coulee individuals Whetstone Mountain slices NWA 6870 CV3 NWA 6871 Ure (very unusual) NWA 5400 NWA 5363 NWA 6077 NWA 5511 NWA 6550 I have a lot more available I am uploading to facebook today. Selling it all to help with me and my kids get back on our feet... Message me if interested and for pics/prices. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites On Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WanderingStarMeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay sales, Enisisheim...
Hello, even if leaving now for Ensisheim, 93 items running now on ebay, ending soon : http://www.ebay.com/sch/wwmeteorites-25/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 We will be at our table as usual in the main room, dont forget to visit us, and look at our new carbonaceous... Surprise ! Fabien Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ebay sales, Ensisheim...
Hello, even if leaving now for Ensisheim, 93 items running now on ebay, ending soon : http://www.ebay.com/sch/wwmeteorites-25/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 We will be at our table as usual in the main room, dont forget to visit us, and look at our new carbonaceous... Surprise ! Fabien Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
Hello, even if leaving now for Ensisheim, 93 items running now on ebay, ending soon : http://www.ebay.com/sch/wwmeteorites-25/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1 We will be at our table as usual in the main room, dont forget to visit us, and look at our new carbonaceous... Surprise ! Fabien Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com Fabien Kuntz Météorites (ventes, expertise, conférences) Animation scientifique et technique WWMETEORITES (Siret : 511 850 612 00017) www.wwmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
Any hammer finds recorded? i.e. there's a big stone in the attic and a hole in the roof, but nobody saw it fall. John __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7221 (20120614) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
Carl, I agree, Fall and Find are ridiculous terms. I'm get tired of explaining the difference to non-meteorite people. The confusion could be cleared up by adding the modifying adjective Observed to the word Fall. Since all meteorites are both Falls and Finds (to the uninitiated), why not just call them Observed Falls and Falls? Makes sense to me! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum (Sorry for the double post, I accidentally hit send) - Original Message - From: To: "Meteorite List" ; "Regine P." ; "MikeG" Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term Regine, MikeG, I hate to beat a dead horse but, There actually could be such a thing as a "Hammer Fall". Take Carancas for example; This fall was not only observed but, it hit a man made water well and killed a couple of animals while excavating a crater. This fall is generally accepted as a Hammer Fall because we believe it was one huge stone that crashed and exploded. So, then the question is; Is this a hammer stone as well? Of coarse it is. That is IF it was indeed caused by one single stone that exploded on impact. This is a fact that is in dispute amongst Scientists. There may have been a swarm of stones that hit at once. We do have evidence of this in stones that were found that were nearly fully fusion crusted. Had it been just one single stone where did the nearly fully crusted stones come from? This lends doubt that in fact all of the stones are "Hammer Stones". However, from a sales standpoint. Having one of these ultra rare fully crusted stones would not be such a bad thing to have. I would think they would be far more rare and therefore far more valuable to both the collector (museum) or Scientist for the simple reason of aesthetics and that it does make for an interesting argument about how many stones did fall. As for the use of the word Michael Blood coined "Hammer". He could just of easily have used any number of other words to describe this end result. Swatter, clapper, striker or anything else one does with an object in his had while hitting something. The other really funny term is the use of the word "Fall" at all. I mean try to explain that to a newby? I mean after all, Aren't all meteorites Falls in the true sense of the word. How else could they have gotten here? So, the use of this term necessitates an explanation. You have to explain that not all meteorites are falls. A newby would look at you like you are nuts. The word " fresh fall" would make more sense but, most of the time the "Fresh" is left out. Even when a stone is called a "fresh Fall" science can only determine the time it fell within years not hour or minutes so even then... If you "find" a stone. How do you really know when it "fell". You did find a "fall" but was it "fresh"? Or does it just look "fresh"? Too Funny. Best, Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers "Regine P." wrote: Well, I'm referring to an overall suspicious odour when it comes to "hammer falls" on sales pages. It is so imprecise - as many other things related to it. What comes to my mind right now is that I downloaded a small jpg once from a website on hammers when I started getting interested in the historic side of meteorites. I was new to the subject and took the picture as a genuine photograph of a man from the New Concord area sitting on a dead colt which seemed to be collateral damage. I researched my arse off only to find out that the photo is not related and the incident most likely never happened. The unreliability of the New Concord horse kill has been discussed several times on the list in the meantime, yet the picture is still on the website. I hear you say these things are completely unrelated, and perhaps they are. And in the end this might all be peanuts even. Actually, right now, I ask myself what the heck I'm doing here. I actually enjoy doing the detective work on which account is true and which is doubtful! But why anyone actively wants to play a part in the confusion other than to cash in is a mystery to me. Enough said, Best wishes, Regine > > Von: Michael Gilmer >An: Regine P. >CC: Meteorite List >Gesendet: 20:20 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 >Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term > >Hi Regine, > >I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs) >should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available >that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also >think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think >everyone who uses the term "hammer fall" is engaging in marketing or >trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do >that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But >the term "hammer fall" probably isn't going away, and if it does, it >will be replaced by another term that means the same thing. > >And we can't excuse p
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term
- Original Message - From: To: "Meteorite List" ; "Regine P." ; "MikeG" Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term Regine, MikeG, I hate to beat a dead horse but, There actually could be such a thing as a "Hammer Fall". Take Carancas for example; This fall was not only observed but, it hit a man made water well and killed a couple of animals while excavating a crater. This fall is generally accepted as a Hammer Fall because we believe it was one huge stone that crashed and exploded. So, then the question is; Is this a hammer stone as well? Of coarse it is. That is IF it was indeed caused by one single stone that exploded on impact. This is a fact that is in dispute amongst Scientists. There may have been a swarm of stones that hit at once. We do have evidence of this in stones that were found that were nearly fully fusion crusted. Had it been just one single stone where did the nearly fully crusted stones come from? This lends doubt that in fact all of the stones are "Hammer Stones". However, from a sales standpoint. Having one of these ultra rare fully crusted stones would not be such a bad thing to have. I would think they would be far more rare and therefore far more valuable to both the collector (museum) or Scientist for the simple reason of aesthetics and that it does make for an interesting argument about how many stones did fall. As for the use of the word Michael Blood coined "Hammer". He could just of easily have used any number of other words to describe this end result. Swatter, clapper, striker or anything else one does with an object in his had while hitting something. The other really funny term is the use of the word "Fall" at all. I mean try to explain that to a newby? I mean after all, Aren't all meteorites Falls in the true sense of the word. How else could they have gotten here? So, the use of this term necessitates an explanation. You have to explain that not all meteorites are falls. A newby would look at you like you are nuts. The word " fresh fall" would make more sense but, most of the time the "Fresh" is left out. Even when a stone is called a "fresh Fall" science can only determine the time it fell within years not hour or minutes so even then... If you "find" a stone. How do you really know when it "fell". You did find a "fall" but was it "fresh"? Or does it just look "fresh"? Too Funny. Best, Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers "Regine P." wrote: Well, I'm referring to an overall suspicious odour when it comes to "hammer falls" on sales pages. It is so imprecise - as many other things related to it. What comes to my mind right now is that I downloaded a small jpg once from a website on hammers when I started getting interested in the historic side of meteorites. I was new to the subject and took the picture as a genuine photograph of a man from the New Concord area sitting on a dead colt which seemed to be collateral damage. I researched my arse off only to find out that the photo is not related and the incident most likely never happened. The unreliability of the New Concord horse kill has been discussed several times on the list in the meantime, yet the picture is still on the website. I hear you say these things are completely unrelated, and perhaps they are. And in the end this might all be peanuts even. Actually, right now, I ask myself what the heck I'm doing here. I actually enjoy doing the detective work on which account is true and which is doubtful! But why anyone actively wants to play a part in the confusion other than to cash in is a mystery to me. Enough said, Best wishes, Regine > > Von: Michael Gilmer >An: Regine P. >CC: Meteorite List >Gesendet: 20:20 Dienstag, 12.Juni 2012 >Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer fall term > >Hi Regine, > >I can't argue that point. I can only say that we (as meteorite buffs) >should do our best to educate the newbies, or make resources available >that will educate the newbies. I think many of us do that. I also >think we could do better if we really tried. But I don't think >everyone who uses the term "hammer fall" is engaging in marketing or >trying to mislead people for financial gain. Maybe some dealers do >that. If they do, I don't agree with that and they should stop. But >the term "hammer fall" probably isn't going away, and if it does, it >will be replaced by another term that means the same thing. > >And we can't excuse people for making rash purchases. The buyer does >bear some responsibility to educate themselves before spending money >on a meteorite (or anything). I guess this gets back to some of the >most fundamental lessons of collecting things. Do one's homework. >Buyer beware. Know your seller. Check references (or feedback). :) > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >-- >--- >Galactic Stone & Ironworks - MikeG > >W
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Bolide Over Lebanon, Cyprus and Turkey 7JUN2012
Good call George. The trail has been tentatively linked to a Russian ICBM-class missile launched from southeast Russia. I don't remember if this was a reliability test or a scientific package. A commentator elsewhere suggested this was spewing fuel from a tumbling booster. The pattern is similar to other trails where high level winds aloft are disbursing the exhaust unevenly. I believe we have a photo(s) of a meteor trail which shows an apparent zig-zaging pattern. To the ground observer, it may look like a constant altitude but the trail is being laid down as the rocket is passing through several flight levels where winds can be moving laterally at different speeds but in an overall general direction. Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 1933 Contributed by: Jim Brady http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
