Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Meteorite-Recon.com]

A nice find indeed Andi, and I remember it as if it were yesterday.

For those interested to read the whole story, the illustrated expedition report
of the 2012 field trip to Western Sahara will be published on
www.meteorite-recon.com by the end of this month.

Cheers

Svend







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> Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Unclassified
>
> Contributed by: Andreas Koppelt
>
> http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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[meteorite-list] fresh falls for science

[Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu,]

I confirm.

Representative samples of "Novato" have been kindly donated to the  
Peter Jennisken's consortium who in turn sent some fragments to  
Philippe Schmitt Kopplin and team in Munich, with whom I have the  
pleasure to collaborate (we have the privilege of being partners of  
that consortium).


High resolution FTICR-MS (Mass) and NMR Spectra (presence of  
extraterrestrial organic matter) are recorded since a couple of weeks  
and discussions are starting.


It is extremely rewarding for the scientific community that,  
especially in the case of fresh falls, samples are very often  
generously (and spontaneously) donated by meteorite hunters/finders  
who are more aware of their importance for science than of their  
potential commercial value.


On behalf of the whole scientific community, we are deeply indebted to them.

Zelimir
--
Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
Université de Haute Alsace
ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC,
3, Rue A. Werner,
F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94


Greg Hupé  a écrit :

I heard part of the first one [Novato stone] was generously supplied  
to UCLA for initial analysis, balance was hoped for by other finders.


Best Regards,
Greg


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-Original Message- From: Mendy Ouzillou
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 1:33 AM
To: 'Michael Farmer' ; 'Larry Atkins'
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls

I thought the first stone originally found, the yes-no-yes stone (thank you
Bob Verish for the last "yes"), was donated to Peter Jennisken's so that it
could be typed and studied.

Was that not the case?

Mendy

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From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Farmer
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 8:42 PM
To: Larry Atkins
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls

Type specimen has not been given by any of the finders.
Sadly another meteorite in limbo.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 2, 2013, at 9:35 PM, Larry Atkins  wrote:


Hi Mike, List,

You said,

"Five days later on October 17, 2012, a stony meteorite fragmented
above the NOVATO area of urban California - sending meteorite hunters
and local residents out into the streets to look for stones. One piece
reportedly hit a residential home."

This one isn't approved yet either, I don't believe. I've heard rumor
that nobody has pony'd up the type specimen yet, hmm, hmm.

Anyone have the low down?


Sincerely,
Larry Atkins

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Sent: Wed, Jan 2, 2013 6:41 pm
Subject: [meteorite-list] 2012 - Year of Meteorite Falls


2012 the Year of Meteorite Falls!

The year 2012 saw a new record set for most meteorite falls in a
single year in the 21st century. I started keeping detailed records of
every new meteorite fall that is recovered or reported by reliable
sources. Some of these have not been officially approved by the
Meteoritical Society yet, but that is not unusual.

In 2012, eleven (11) new meteorite falls fit the above criteria to be
included on my list. Prior to 2012, the most falls in a single 21st
century year (since 2000), was ten falls in 2008.

On average, since the year 2000, we have averaged about 5 recovered
meteorite falls per year that are either officially accepted by the
Meteoritical Society or verified by reliable sources (such as the 2008
Zunhua meteorite fall, which has not been officially approved yet, but
is a meteorite nonetheless).

The first verified fall of 2012 was a few days before Valentine's Day
on February 11, 2012. This was the so-called "XINING-Huangzhong",
which has not been officially approved yet, but was analyzed and is
likely an L6-chondrite.

About three weeks later, on March 01, 2012, the OSLO meteorite struck
a roof in Norway.

But, it was the April 22, 2012 spectacular SUTTER'S MILL meteorite
fall that took the meteorite world by storm. A rare sub-type of CM
carbonaceous chondrite, this celestial black gold showered over a
strewnfield that happened to be the birthing ground of the legendary
California Gold Rush. This one is arguably one of the most
scientifically-iimportant meteorites to fall since Tagish Lake.

Just a couple weeks later, an ordinary chondrite fell over the DIPLO
area of Pakistan. This event was overshadowed by the ongoing media
circus surrounding the recent Sutter's Mill fall.

People did pay attention on May 22nd, when a strange green achondrite
showered the KATOL are

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Alexander Seidel]

Nice story of your find, Andi, and rock on with 
your great reports, as usual, grandmaster Svend!

Alex
Berlin/Germany



 Original-Nachricht 
> Datum: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 09:42:34 +0100 (CET)
> Von: "Meteorite-Recon.com" 
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, valpar...@aol.com
> CC: "r...@koppelt.com" 
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

> A nice find indeed Andi, and I remember it as if it were yesterday.
> 
> For those interested to read the whole story, the illustrated expedition
> report
> of the 2012 field trip to Western Sahara will be published on
> www.meteorite-recon.com by the end of this month.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Svend
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> valpar...@aol.com hat am 9. Januar 2013 um 08:00 geschrieben:
> > Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Unclassified
> >
> > Contributed by: Andreas Koppelt
> >
> > http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!

[Anita Westlake]

That was beautifully written, Kevin. You should write a book! (ha ha).
Msy all your Costa Rican nights be filled with stars and box wine.
Anita
--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Thomas Webb  wrote:


From: Thomas Webb 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Kevin Kichinka" 
Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 1:03 AM


Kevin,
Hilarious!  I think I need a box of that wine!
Thomas




--- On Wed, 1/9/13, Kevin Kichinka  wrote:

> From: Kevin Kichinka 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 12:35 AM
> Team Meteorite:
> 
> The wind is howling to the stars on a chilly (22*C/72&F)
> night here on
> the central plateau of Costa Rica.
> 
> Thanks to the miracle of modern refrigeration, I've just
> utilized the
> 'last breast' from Thanksgiving to make Turkey Chowder for
> dinner. As
> a single guy living alone, there's probably some symbolism
> there.
> 
> To work off the enzymes and growth hormones knowingly
> consumed in that
> last breast, I stepped out on my patio with a glass of
> Chilean wine I
> poured out of a box. The second I opened the door, the choir
> of
> crickets cut off their chorus.
> 
> "Hey, it's just me. Sing on!" I requested in Spanish.
> 
> Bueno. "Chirp, chirp, chirp"  cantaban los
> grillos.
> 
> Even the insects are friendly here. I like it.
> 
> While wishing with all my might that Steve of Chicago can
> find a
> partner to exchange a "Gao with sexual orientation, flow
> lips and a
> rollover line" for a copy of THE Bob Haag's Catalogue from
> 1985 (and
> hoping, too, that the prices are 'still in effect'), I
> pondered the
> good Dr. Jeff Grossman's work to refine a 'fall', going
> where no man
> has gone before.
> 
> Pull the tab-top off of your box of wine and join me under
> the windy
> stars while I review how this played out on the m-list, what
> was until
> now the uncontested definition of a meteorite 'fall'.
> 
> Hey, hey. This is a classy discussion. I know its poured
> from a box,
> but no Dixie cups, OK? Only 'Glass' glass.
> 
> First the gauntlet was thrown. Note the conviction of Jeff's
> opening
> three word volley
> 
> "In all seriousness
> 
> ... I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the
> definition
> of "fall." The categories I've considered are these,
> and  the
> definitions are first passes:
> 
> Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with
> instruments,
> and collected soon after the event. The event was well
> documented.
> Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites
> is consistent
> with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur
> immediately,
> directly points to a fall at the time of the observed
> event.
> 
> Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event,
> but physical
> evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or
> within a
> very narrow range of dates.
> 
> Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented
> meteor event
> with characteristics consistent with a meteorite fall,
> followed by the
> collection of meteorites some time later. There is a strong
> likelihood
> that the meteorite fell in the observed event, but physical
> evidence is
> not fully conclusive.
> 
> Possible fall: The same situation as a probable fall, but
> there is
> significant doubt about whether the meteorite is connected
> to the event
> or about the reliability of the observations of the event.
> 
> Doubtful fall: The same situation as a possible fall, but
> there is a
> high degree of doubt.
> 
> This was all suggested by the circumstances surrounding the
> Bene(a)
> and (b) meteorites, which I would have put in the "possible
> fall"
> category, if such a thing existed.
> 
> Jeff "
> 
> ***
> Ships may pass quietly in the night, but the list threw
> anchor on this
> one and prepared to send broadsides.
> 
> The esteemed and most respected Anne M. Black (is it true
> that the 'M'
> stands for 'meteorite'?) came down on the 'logical side' and
> supported
> Jeff's new terminology. The Most Excellent Paul Swartz put
> on the same
> uniform and ran a lap for the team.
> 
> But Michael Farmer fired the first volley - "I find this new
> attempt
> to change terminology disturbing. I have hundreds of old
> catalogs from
> the top museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago
> till today,
> all of them list falls and finds. None of them discuss
> unobserved
> falls as an acceptable alternative. Are we really ready to
> just accept
> anything thrown out there, and watch as all manner of BS is
> used to
> discredit hundreds of years of accepted terminology?
> 
> Adding "Any label I get describing a meteorite as an
> "unobserved
> fall" will be promptly thrown where it belongs, in the trash
> heap of
> schemes and scams.
> 
> Well i

Re: [meteorite-list] 3rd Annual Eating Around Tucson - 2013

[Jim Baxter]

Anyone  who doesn't want to put up with the hour plus wait at Mi
Nidito should at least order the cheese tostada with guacamole as take
out. About the size of a medium pizza with a thin really flaky crust,
a thin layer of melted cheese and radial 'spokes' of guacamole.
Simple. and..amazingly good!!
Looking forward to seeing everyone in Tucson,
Jim Baxter

On 1/8/13, almi...@localnet.com  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> Also add In and Out Burger. 257. 3711 BROADWAY BLVD.
> TUCSON, AZ 85716, 1978 E. AJO WAY TUCSON, AZ 85713.
>
> Mag Pie Pizza and Old Town Pizza are also good pizza places.
>
> Best!
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
>
>
>
> Quoting cdtuc...@cox.net:
>
>> John,
>> Chuy's on Speedway is closed due to immigration violations. But right
>> next door is a wine shop called the Rum Runner that has it's own
>> restaurant inside called "The Dish". It is fine dinning at it's best
>> and many consider it to be Tucson's Finest restaurant.
>> see here;
>> http://www.rumrunnertucson.com/thedish/index.html
>> Mi Nidito is Tucson's finest Mexican restaurant. Try the
>> "presidential platter". This is actually what President Clinton
>> ordered when visiting Tucson a few years ago. And easily worth the
>> long wait.  But, Rosa's is a close second for Mexican. Too many
>> celebrities to list eat here when in Tucson. Check out the pictures
>> on the walls.
>> On the East side at Broadway at Wilmot the best breakfast is at
>> Brawley's. Low Low price for amazing food.
>> My 2 cents. And I'm lucky enough to live here in Tucson.
>> Carl
>> Meteoritemax
>> --
>> Cheers
>>
>>  John Teague  wrote:
>>> Hey, List Members!
>>
>> (I 'seem' to have misplaced some of the e-mails that folks sent me
>> last year with 'additions' for this list!  Sorry to those that did!
>> If you will resend them to me, I will make a better effort at
>> updating the list!  New suggestions are ALWAYS welcome!)
>>
>> I have it on good authority that Tucson is fast approaching!  With
>> that in mind, I am once again giving my ?Annual Eating Around Tucson?
>> list.  This list has been put together with over twenty years of
>> attending the shows.  These are my opinions (well, my wife, Cookie,
>> too!) only.  I have no vested interest in any of these
>> establishments, no free food, etc!  I just like good food!  Maybe you
>> will find my/our tastes different from yours but all of these are
>> worth a try!
>>
>> I?m leaving for Tucson Thursday of next week! This will be my second
>> year to make the 2200 mile (each way!) drive to Tucson.  Cookie is
>> flying out later!  Guess that she is a bit smarter than I!  My first
>> time attending the main show last year was great!  I'm really looking
>> forward to this year's show as fluorite (probably my favorite
>> mineral!) is the theme!  Being able to spend a full month in Tucson
>> was so great last year that I'm doing it again this year!
>>
>> I am adding some new locations suggested by list members last year
>> after my initial post.  I did get to try some of them and enjoyed
>> them VERY much.  I hope to add more this year!
>>
>> * Pat's Drive In, 1202 West Niagara Street, 520-624-0891
>> I should not list this first, but I AM!  I first read about Pat's in
>> Arizona Highways magazine.  It is a tradition in Arizona!  It is on a
>> side street off N. Grande Ave, between Speedway and St. Marys.  It is
>> near the condo that we rent each year.  I had driven within half a
>> block of it for years and did not know it existed!  If you like the
>> old drive in restaurants, this IS the place for you!  If you like
>> greasy fries by the pound, this is for you!  If you like GREAT chili
>> hotdogs, this IS the place for you, please note that they have three
>> degrees of heat for their chili!
>>
>>
>> We have three "favorites" that we think everyone should try at least
>> once.  In no particular order:
>>
>> * La Fuente Restaurant, 1749 N. Oracle Rd., 520-623-8659
>> REALLY good Mexican/Tex-Mex food.  The lunch buffet is very good and
>> very reasonable.  If you're there for dinner, be sure to order the
>> Guacamole made table-side.  It is VERY GOOD!
>>
>> * Silver Saddle Steak House, 6th Ave. & I-10 (310 E. Benson Highway),
>> 520-622-6253
>> This place is near downtown and has some of the best steak that I've
>> had in Tucson.  If you're going for dinner, it is best to get there
>> early or be prepared to wait 30 minutes to an hour.  It IS worth the
>> wait!  I do not think that they take reservations.
>>
>> * Lil Abner's Steakhouse, 8501 N Silverbell Rd., 520-744-2800
>> This is a MUST for Tucson show visitors.  I remember going there a
>> lot of years ago when this place was truly "in the middle of
>> nowhere"!  If you go this year, you'll she how that has changed.  It
>> use to be a drive out into the desert!  Any of the show weekends will
>> have tons of show folks there!  The steaks rival Silver Saddle but
>> everything is served with a salad, beans, and bread!  LOVE the
>> atmosphere there!
>>
>> * Daisy Mae's Steak

[meteorite-list] 3rd Annual Eating Around Tucson - 2013

[valparint]

> You forgot the Sky Bar, best pizza in town!

The pizza comes from Brooklyn Pizza, next door to the Sky Bar and owned by the 
same people. Order at BP and they'll deliver to the SB, where you can have a 
beer with your zah.

A restaurant I like is Mariscos Chihuahua. The original is on Grande just south 
of Speedway and there are others around town. Seafood only, estilo Mexicano.

Paul Swartz
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[meteorite-list] Falls with delayed recovery and Meteorical Bulletin designations

[MEM]

Greetings Listoids

So so sorry to have to break anyone's ego-centrality but the terminology used 
in the "Met Bulletin" is foremost and primarily for benefit of science and the 
meteorite hobbyist is secondary.  

It must be emotionally discomforting for those trans-reality, die-hard fanatics 
in the world of meteorite bravado that the Meteoritical Bulletin remains a 
scientific venue--not a "Who Is" for meteorite hobbyist.  Bummer for the 3gm L6 
W4 "main mass" holders and those who only collect meteorites which fall in leap 
years -- whatever esoteric, artificial, insignificant distinction they assign 
to make their rock more valuable--must be unnerving to find out that the Met 
Bulletin wasn't set up just for them.  Lets not make this one of those 
perverted usurpations like happened with "main mass".  Main Mass holder 
publication, along with other major mass holders in the days before an ample 
supply of material , informed researchers where material was which might be 
available for comparative resarch.  

A "fall" designation establishes a specific date for  for calibration amongst 
other things as to onset of radioactive decay/terrestrialization.   There are 
several entries in both the Meteoritical Bulletin and Catalogue of Meteorites 
where a meteorite from an observed event was recovered months to years later.  
What the hobbyist wants to debate--the number of micrometeorites that can dance 
on the head of a pin is not yet a matter of scientific interest which merits 
elevation to a scientific category so far as I understand meteoritical science.

That said, the number of meteorites which would need an extended fall 
designation is well under one tenth of one percent so in the words of Ms Emma 
Peel--"Where's the beef?"  Really, now. This would at most affect less than a 
dozen actual specimens in all out collections combined.

Elton

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine January 2013 Issue Now Up

[Michael Mulgrew]

Hi, Paul.

I also want to thank you and all the contributors for another
excellent publication.

Dr. Gessler recovered several lone chondrules from ant hills during
the 99th anniversary hunt:
https://web.duke.edu/isis/gessler/holbrook.htm

Best,
Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Paul Harris  wrote:
> Hi John and Michael,
>
> Thank you guys very much!  Could not have happen without all the wonderful
> content provided this month by:
>
> Martin Horejsi
> Jim Tobin
> Michael Blood
> Bob Verish
> Marcin Cimala and the IMCA Team
> John Kashuba
> Norm Lehrman
> Anne Black
> Paul Swartz
> Daniel Sutherland
>
> I've been wondering if anyone else has ever found a Holbrook chondrule like
> Jim did on our trip to Holbrook?
>
> Thanks to all!
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 1/8/2013 7:07 PM, John Cabassi wrote:
>>
>> Have to agree Michael. Paul and Jim  brought out one of their best issues
>> yet
>>
>> Cheers
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Michael Farmer > > wrote:
>>
>> Very nice issue guys! A lot of materiel, lots of falls and finds
>> to talk about.
>>
>>
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Paul Harris > > wrote:
>>
>> > Happy New Year Everyone!
>> >
>> > The January issue of Meteorite Times is now up and is our
>> largest issue ever thanks to all of our amazing contributors.
>> >
>> > The following URL gives access to the Web Browser View, Flash
>> Magazine View, and Mobile PDF.
>> > http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/
>> >
>> > This page also has an easy way to view all of the "Mag View"
>> issues in the "Archives" section of the page.
>> > http://issuu.com/meteorite-times/docs
>> >
>> > Enjoy!
>> >
>> > Paul and Jim
>> >
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[meteorite-list] Herschel Intercepts Asteroid Apophis

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Herschel_intercepts_asteroid_Apophis

Herschel intercepts asteroid Apophis
European Space Agency
9 January 2013

ESA's Herschel space observatory made new observations of asteroid
Apophis as it approached Earth this weekend. The data shows the
asteroid to be bigger than first estimated, and less reflective.

Catalogued as asteroid (99942) Apophis (previously 2004 MN4), it
is often nicknamed "the doomsday asteroid" in popular media, after
initial observations made after its discovery in 2004 gave it a
2.7% chance of striking Earth in April 2029.

With additional data, however, an impact in 2029 was soon ruled
out, although the asteroid will pass within 36 000 km of Earth's
surface, closer even than the orbits of geostationary satellites.

The asteroid will return to Earth's neighbourhood again in 2036,
but quite how close it will come then is uncertain, as the 2029
approach is predicted to alter its orbit substantially. Obtaining
improved physical parameters for Apophis and its orbit is thus of
great importance in being able to make better predictions of its
future trajectory.

Herschel had a good opportunity at the weekend, observing the
asteroid for about two hours on its approach to Earth, ahead of
today's closest encounter at a little less than one tenth of the
distance from Earth to the Sun: about 14.5 million km. The
observations were made as part of Herschel's Guaranteed Time
Programme MACH-11.

"As well as the data being scientifically important in their own
right, understanding key properties of asteroids will provide
vital details for missions that might eventually visit potentially
hazardous objects," says Laurence O'Rourke, Principal Investigator
of the MACH-11 observing programme, from the European Space
Astronomy Centre (ESAC), near Madrid, Spain.

"Apophis is only the second near-Earth asteroid observed by
Herschel, and these were the fastest tracked observations by the
space telescope - the asteroid moved at a rate of 205 arcseconds
per hour as seen from Herschel's viewpoint."

Herschel provided the first thermal infrared observations of
Apophis at different wavelengths, which together with optical
measurements helped refine estimates of the asteroid's properties.
Previous estimates bracketed the asteroid's average diameter at
270 +/- 60 m; the new Herschel observations returned a more precise
diameter of 325 +/- 15 m.

"The 20% increase in diameter, from 270 to 325 m, translates into
a 75% increase in our estimates of the asteroid's volume or mass,"
says Thomas Muller of the Max Planck Institute for
Extraterrestrial Physics in Garching, Germany, who is leading the
analysis of the new data. 

By analysing the heat emitted by Apophis, Herschel also provided a
new estimate of the asteroidl's albedo - a measure of its
reflectivity - of 0.23. This value means that 23% of the sunlight
falling onto the asteroid is reflected; the rest is absorbed and
heats up the asteroid. The previous albedo estimate for Apophis
was 0.33.

Knowing the thermal properties of an asteroid indicates how its
orbit might be altered due to subtle heating by the Sun. Known as
the Yarkovsky effect, the heating and cooling cycle of a small
body as it rotates and as its distance from the Sun changes can
instigate long-term changes to the asteroid's orbit.

"These numbers are first estimates based on the Herschel
measurements alone, and other ongoing ground-based campaigns might
produce additional pieces of information which will allow us to
improve our results," adds Muller.

"Although Apophis initially caught public interest as a possible
Earth impactor, which is now considered highly improbable for the
foreseeable future, it is of considerable interest in its own
right, and as an example of the class of Near Earth Objects," says
Goran Pilbratt, ESA's Herschel Project Scientist.

"Our unique Herschel measurements play a key role for the
physical characterisation of Apophis, and will improve the
long-term prediction of its orbit."


Notes for editors

The observations of asteroid Apophis were made as part of a
Herschel Science Centre Guaranteed Time Programme called MACH-11.
The 11 asteroids and comets observed in this programme have been
or will be visited by spacecraft or are undergoing studies to that
end, as is the case for Apophis.

Four observations were made with PACS, the Photodetector Array
Camera & Spectrometer instrument, which contains an imaging
photometer (camera) and an imaging spectrometer. The camera
operates in three bands centred on 70 μm, 100 μm, and 160 μm,
respectively.

The observations of Apophis began at 23:54:35 on 5 January 2013,
and ended at 02:04:12 on 6 January 2013, a total of 2 hours and 10
minutes.

Apophis is only the second near-Earth asteroid observed with
Herschel, after asteroid 2005 YU55 , which was observed during its
close approach to Earth in November 2011.

Herschel is an ESA space observatory with science instruments
provided by Eu

Re: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!

[Greg Hupé]

Great 'cricket scratch", Kevin!
I enjoyed a mighty laugh at 135 degrees past 1:00 PM today.

Now I find that I contemplate a box of that fine wine, but not sure if I am 
up to that task as I might fall down... ;-)


Best Regards,
Greg


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From: Kevin Kichinka

Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 12:35 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] A 'Find' of Another Kind - the Vote is In!

Team Meteorite:

The wind is howling to the stars on a chilly (22*C/72&F) night here on
the central plateau of Costa Rica.

Thanks to the miracle of modern refrigeration, I've just utilized the
'last breast' from Thanksgiving to make Turkey Chowder for dinner. As
a single guy living alone, there's probably some symbolism there.

To work off the enzymes and growth hormones knowingly consumed in that
last breast, I stepped out on my patio with a glass of Chilean wine I
poured out of a box. The second I opened the door, the choir of
crickets cut off their chorus.

"Hey, it's just me. Sing on!" I requested in Spanish.

Bueno. "Chirp, chirp, chirp"  cantaban los grillos.

Even the insects are friendly here. I like it.

While wishing with all my might that Steve of Chicago can find a
partner to exchange a "Gao with sexual orientation, flow lips and a
rollover line" for a copy of THE Bob Haag's Catalogue from 1985 (and
hoping, too, that the prices are 'still in effect'), I pondered the
good Dr. Jeff Grossman's work to refine a 'fall', going where no man
has gone before.

Pull the tab-top off of your box of wine and join me under the windy
stars while I review how this played out on the m-list, what was until
now the uncontested definition of a meteorite 'fall'.

Hey, hey. This is a classy discussion. I know its poured from a box,
but no Dixie cups, OK? Only 'Glass' glass.

First the gauntlet was thrown. Note the conviction of Jeff's opening
three word volley

"In all seriousness

... I have considered refining, or at least qualifying the definition
of "fall." The categories I've considered are these, and  the
definitions are first passes:

Observed fall: observed to fall, either visually or with instruments,
and collected soon after the event. The event was well documented.
Physical evidence associated with the collected meteorites is consistent
with a fresh fall, or, when collection does not occur immediately,
directly points to a fall at the time of the observed event.

Unobserved fall: No observations were made of a fall event, but physical
evidence conclusively points to a fall on a specific date or within a
very narrow range of dates.

Probable fall: In these cases, there was a well-documented meteor event
with characteristics consistent with a meteorite fall, followed by the
collection of meteorites some time later. There is a strong likelihood
that the meteorite fell in the observed event, but physical evidence is
not fully conclusive.

Possible fall: The same situation as a probable fall, but there is
significant doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event
or about the reliability of the observations of the event.

Doubtful fall: The same situation as a possible fall, but there is a
high degree of doubt.

This was all suggested by the circumstances surrounding the Bene(a)
and (b) meteorites, which I would have put in the "possible fall"
category, if such a thing existed.

Jeff "

***
Ships may pass quietly in the night, but the list threw anchor on this
one and prepared to send broadsides.

The esteemed and most respected Anne M. Black (is it true that the 'M'
stands for 'meteorite'?) came down on the 'logical side' and supported
Jeff's new terminology. The Most Excellent Paul Swartz put on the same
uniform and ran a lap for the team.

But Michael Farmer fired the first volley - "I find this new attempt
to change terminology disturbing. I have hundreds of old catalogs from
the top museums and dealers from more than 200 years ago till today,
all of them list falls and finds. None of them discuss unobserved
falls as an acceptable alternative. Are we really ready to just accept
anything thrown out there, and watch as all manner of BS is used to
discredit hundreds of years of accepted terminology?

Adding "Any label I get describing a meteorite as an "unobserved
fall" will be promptly thrown where it belongs, in the trash heap of
schemes and scams.

Well into his second box of red, Jim Wooddell exclaimed in support, "I
don't often agree with Michael Far

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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) meteorites for sale

[Don Giovanni]

Steve, 

Good luck with your sale.  By the way, your name in your recent emails is 
spelled wrong.  
Might want to change the automatic signature.  From a well-meaning friend,

DG


On Jan 9, 2013, at 9:44 AM, steve arnold  wrote:

> Hi again list. ……...Have a great day.
> 
> -- 
> Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill in Science

[karmaka]

Dear list members,

now you can read this interesting research article for free:

P. Jenniskens et al. Radar-enabled recovery of the Sutter’s Mill meteorite, 
a carbonaceous chondrite regolith breccia. 

Science. Vol. 338, December 21, 2012, p. 1583. doi:10.1126/science.1227163.

http://cams.seti.org/Science-Manuscript-SM.pdf


Supplementary materials: http://cams.seti.org/Science-SOM-SM.pdf

Thank you!

Best regards,

Martin


 
Von: "karmaka" 
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill in Science
 Datum: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 23:55:51 +0100
 
I liked Derek Sears's final words during the interview.
 
 This is a transcript of what he said:
 
 "It was a meteorite dealer who actually picked up the first piece and that 
dealer was more than willing to share his information with Peter. [...] The 
lesson I've come away with is you had a hundred or so people in the field, you 
had researchers, you had meteorite dealers, you had members of the public, you 
had the state park's people and the degree of collaboration and enthusiasm 
amongst a hundred people ... they had one thing in common ... they were 
passionate about finding meteorites, some of them were gonna get money as well, 
some were gonna get other sorts of rewards but the point is, what Sutter's Mill 
demonstrated to me was how these very diverse people can come together and 
produce incredible results despite having come at the problem from very 
different directions. There is an innate passion for rocks from space that was 
a privilege to watch."
 
 Best regards,
 
 Martin
 
 
 Von: "karmaka" 
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill in Science
 Datum: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:48:53 +0100
 
 A little 'video appetizer' starts in a few minutes:
 
 https://plus.google.com/events/cehbi736jeaa3jlojht76ec73rc
 
 
 
 Von: "karmaka" 
 An: "met-list" 
 Betreff: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill in Science
 Datum: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 21:14:16 +0100
 
 Dear list members,
 
 watch out for this in tomorrow's edition of Science:
 
 P. Jenniskens et al. Radar-enabled recovery of the Sutter’s Mill meteorite, a 
carbonaceous chondrite regolith breccia. Science. Vol. 338, December 21, 2012, 
p. 1583. doi:10.1126/science.1227163.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Martin
 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] UPDATE (AD)

[steve arnold]

Hi again list. I just wanted to update my mets for sale. The nwa 5142
is 78 grams, not 80 grams. Sorry for that. The nwa 5142 is known as
"the perfect chondrule" meteorite that tom phillps brought to the
forfront about 6 years ago. It has an ugly exterior, but inside it is
dark and full of dark chondrules. It looks better as an endcut. I also
want to add a 15 gram fragment of nwa 5142 for $45. Thanks again.

-- 
Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill.
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[meteorite-list] UPDATE on stolen meteorites from PARI

[J Sinclair]

Dear Meteorite collectors and dealers,

By a remarkable effort by a number of people, 105 out of the 112
meteorites that were stolen from the Pisgah Astronomical Research
Institute on Christmas Eve 2012 have been recovered.
There were a number of meteorite list members that expressed concern,
made suggestions and got the word out. To everyone, a sincere thanks!

After talking with Dave Clavier at PARI today, here is how I
understood the recovery took place.
When the suspects were identified by surveillance cameras during the
visit where they cased the Institute and their pictures were put on
the local news stations as persons of interest, the meteorites were
dumped in a wooded area. One suspect came to the police station to
answer some questions after calling the station and denying his
involvement. After lengthy questioning, he confessed to breaking in.
He then led authorities to several areas where he said he disposed of
the meteorites. After nothing was found, he confessed again and led
them to the woods behind his mother's house. After a lot of searching,
the meteorites were recovered.

Still missing:

Canyon Diablo, 424.5 grams
Odessa, 9.16 kilos
Campo del Cielo, 2.5 kilos
Gruver, Texas H4 part-slice, 7.3 grams
and 3 small Canyon Diablos

I've got a picture of one of the suspects still at large and a little
more information at

www.stolenmeteorites.com

Again, The entire staff and the supporters of the Pisgah Astronomical
Research Institute thank you very much for your concerns and efforts
in helping with this recovery.

John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Times Magazine January 2013 Issue Now Up

[Paul Harris]

Hi Michael,

Thank you very much for the link.  Now I guess we have to go find Minnie :-)

Paul


On 1/9/2013 10:07 AM, Michael Mulgrew wrote:

Hi, Paul.

I also want to thank you and all the contributors for another
excellent publication.

Dr. Gessler recovered several lone chondrules from ant hills during
the 99th anniversary hunt:
https://web.duke.edu/isis/gessler/holbrook.htm

Best,
Michael in so. Cal.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Paul Harris  wrote:

Hi John and Michael,

Thank you guys very much!  Could not have happen without all the wonderful
content provided this month by:

Martin Horejsi
Jim Tobin
Michael Blood
Bob Verish
Marcin Cimala and the IMCA Team
John Kashuba
Norm Lehrman
Anne Black
Paul Swartz
Daniel Sutherland

I've been wondering if anyone else has ever found a Holbrook chondrule like
Jim did on our trip to Holbrook?

Thanks to all!

Paul



On 1/8/2013 7:07 PM, John Cabassi wrote:

Have to agree Michael. Paul and Jim  brought out one of their best issues
yet

Cheers
John

On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Michael Farmer mailto:m...@meteoriteguy.com>> wrote:

 Very nice issue guys! A lot of materiel, lots of falls and finds
 to talk about.


 Michael Farmer

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 7, 2013, at 2:23 PM, Paul Harris mailto:p...@meteorite.com>> wrote:

 > Happy New Year Everyone!
 >
 > The January issue of Meteorite Times is now up and is our
 largest issue ever thanks to all of our amazing contributors.
 >
 > The following URL gives access to the Web Browser View, Flash
 Magazine View, and Mobile PDF.
 > http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/
 >
 > This page also has an easy way to view all of the "Mag View"
 issues in the "Archives" section of the page.
 > http://issuu.com/meteorite-times/docs
 >
 > Enjoy!
 >
 > Paul and Jim
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[valparint]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Mbale

Contributed by: Linton Rohr

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sterley Pallasite plus Black Beauty (NWA 7034)

[Linton Rohr]

Congratulations on the Sterley, Ruben.
And thanks for posting that stunning 7034 photo!
The matrix reminds me of a Hubble deep field image...
without the red-shift. But with a misplaced moon. ;^)
Linton

- Original Message - 
From: "Ruben Garcia" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 7:28 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Sterley Pallasite plus Black Beauty (NWA 7034)



Hi all,

I just returned from New Mexico where I delivered a stellar slice of
our new Sterley pallasite to the University of New Mexico. Geoff and I
are very happy that this rare pallasite will be prominently displayed
in the UNM collection. This makes 5 institutions that have added a
Sterley specimen to their collection!

Once the website is updated there will be only 10 slices left -
assuming Geoff and I choose to keep a slice. So, if you're wanting to
add Sterley to your collection don't wait too long or you could miss
out. Once it's gone, it's gone and it will be as impossible to get as
any other rare (and low TKW) pallasite.
http://www.aerolite.org/sterley-pallasite-meteorite.htm

While visiting with Carl Agee (Director and Curator, Institute of
Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences) at UNM, I was
lucky enough to get to examine "Black Beauty" NWA 7034 in person.  To
be honest, I think I would have assumed this meteorite was
carbonaceous, if not told different. It's heavy, a magnet sticks to it
(so I'm told) and it even has roundish chondrule looking inclusions.

It was very interesting.

Here's a close up photo that I took. Believe me I'll be looking at all
the NWA's in Tucson in hopes of finding another.
http://www.mrmeteorite.com/nwa7034.htm



--
Rock On!

Ruben Garcia
http://www.MrMeteorite.com
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