[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Nakhla TS Contributed by: Anne Black http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Canadian Meteorite
The fiereball that occured on the evening of March 18th @ 10:24pm over Ontario has produced meteorites as some was found with a surprise in it! http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/canada-extraterrestrial-lifeforms-discovered-in-meteorite-debris/ Gaetan Cormier GC Meteorites: http://gcmeteorites.blogspot.com Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://web.eps.utk.edu/~faculty/ifsg.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Canadian Meteorite
Well I was maybe excited for nothing.. this is probably a hoax. The photo they used to show the meteorite is also found in an article about antartic meteorites dated back in 2013: http://www.artsci.utoronto.ca/main/newsitems/ray-jayawardhana-antarctica Oh well Gaetan Cormier GC Meteorites: http://gcmeteorites.blogspot.com Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://web.eps.utk.edu/~faculty/ifsg.htm 2014-04-09 10:11 GMT-04:00 Gaetan Cormier shatterc...@gmail.com: The fiereball that occured on the evening of March 18th @ 10:24pm over Ontario has produced meteorites as some was found with a surprise in it! http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/canada-extraterrestrial-lifeforms-discovered-in-meteorite-debris/ Gaetan Cormier GC Meteorites: http://gcmeteorites.blogspot.com Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://web.eps.utk.edu/~faculty/ifsg.htm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite
Alan, You said; Interestingly, some studies have concluded that rocks blasted off of Mercury spend millions of years in independent heliocentric orbits before accreting once again with Mercury. How did our probes reveal enough data to reach such a conclusion? Thanks, Carl Meteoritemax -- Love Life Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote: The more general question is how we would distinguish a terrestrial meteorite found on Earth 9as opposed to one found in the lunar regolith). Unless it was an observed fall, the rock would have to have a fusion crust for us to notice it in the first place. It would have been exposed to cosmic rays (gauged by measuring its cosmogenic nuclides) and it should have the isotopic compositions of terrestrial rocks. Presumably, the rock would have been extensively shocked or completely melted for it to have been launched off the Earth to begin with. Interestingly, some studies have concluded that rocks blasted off of Mercury spend millions of years in independent heliocentric orbits before accreting once again with Mercury. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 office phone: 310-825-3202 fax: 310-206-3051 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:53 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite So, let's say there is one.a chunk of hematite. What tests could be performed to 1. Prove it was in Space. 2. Originally from Earth. ??? Radionuclide? Jim -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite
This refers to modeling, not actual observations. Gladman and Coffey (2009) MPS 44, 285-291 calculated that Mercury ejecta could achieve independent orbits and re-accrete to Mercury after several million years. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 office phone: 310-825-3202 fax: 310-206-3051 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:37 AM To: Alan Rubin; 'Jim Wooddell'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite Alan, You said; Interestingly, some studies have concluded that rocks blasted off of Mercury spend millions of years in independent heliocentric orbits before accreting once again with Mercury. How did our probes reveal enough data to reach such a conclusion? Thanks, Carl Meteoritemax -- Love Life Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote: The more general question is how we would distinguish a terrestrial meteorite found on Earth 9as opposed to one found in the lunar regolith). Unless it was an observed fall, the rock would have to have a fusion crust for us to notice it in the first place. It would have been exposed to cosmic rays (gauged by measuring its cosmogenic nuclides) and it should have the isotopic compositions of terrestrial rocks. Presumably, the rock would have been extensively shocked or completely melted for it to have been launched off the Earth to begin with. Interestingly, some studies have concluded that rocks blasted off of Mercury spend millions of years in independent heliocentric orbits before accreting once again with Mercury. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 office phone: 310-825-3202 fax: 310-206-3051 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:53 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite So, let's say there is one.a chunk of hematite. What tests could be performed to 1. Prove it was in Space. 2. Originally from Earth. ??? Radionuclide? Jim -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
I'd like to point out that the meteorite explanation has not been debunked, nor has it been proven that it was a rock from the parachute. The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. What's been demonstrated is that the rock is very plausibly explained as something trapped in the parachute, and given the odds against capturing an image of a falling meteorite, that's by far the most likely possibility. But a meteorite remains a possibility, although not a likely one. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
I've said all along it was something other than a meteoroid. I would have thought one of these math/engineering gurus would have published something about it but nothing. I have yet see an article that I feel is credible on the subject. Jim On 4/9/2014 3:11 PM, Art Jones wrote: Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
The thing I find most telling that it was a faked event or a rock fell out of the plane, is that everything I know about people who jump out of airplanes pack their own parachutes. I seriously doubt anyone would accidentally pack a rock into their chute... just my opinion as I have never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane... yet. :) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Art Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:11 PM To: Jim Wooddell ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Based on what? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:20 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: snip The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. snip Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
NASA has not debunked it. And the parachutists have only determined a plausible way that a small rock could have ended up in the parachute. As I said, the meteorite hypothesis has not been disproved, only relegated to a sufficiently small likelihood that further investigation is probably unwarranted. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:23 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Actually it seems NASA has debunked it and they parachutists themselves admit it is a stone from the parachute, which I said from moment one. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
The apparent trajectory, size, shape, and albedo are all reasonable for a meteorite. More importantly, none of the physical parameters are inconsistent with a meteorite, so the hypothesis remains valid, simply very unlikely. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:30 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Based on what? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:20 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: snip The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. snip Chris __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite
List, You can get to that paper (Gladman on Mercurian ejecta) at the following URL: Mercurian ejecta: http://arxiv.org/abs/0801.4038 Gladman is also the author of a similar study on Martian and Lunar ejecta: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1996LPI27..421G Sterling Webb - -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Alan Rubin Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 11:27 AM To: cdtuc...@cox.net; 'Jim Wooddell'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite This refers to modeling, not actual observations. Gladman and Coffey (2009) MPS 44, 285-291 calculated that Mercury ejecta could achieve independent orbits and re-accrete to Mercury after several million years. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 office phone: 310-825-3202 fax: 310-206-3051 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of cdtuc...@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, April 9, 2014 6:37 AM To: Alan Rubin; 'Jim Wooddell'; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite Alan, You said; Interestingly, some studies have concluded that rocks blasted off of Mercury spend millions of years in independent heliocentric orbits before accreting once again with Mercury. How did our probes reveal enough data to reach such a conclusion? Thanks, Carl Meteoritemax -- Love Life Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote: The more general question is how we would distinguish a terrestrial meteorite found on Earth 9as opposed to one found in the lunar regolith). Unless it was an observed fall, the rock would have to have a fusion crust for us to notice it in the first place. It would have been exposed to cosmic rays (gauged by measuring its cosmogenic nuclides) and it should have the isotopic compositions of terrestrial rocks. Presumably, the rock would have been extensively shocked or completely melted for it to have been launched off the Earth to begin with. Interestingly, some studies have concluded that rocks blasted off of Mercury spend millions of years in independent heliocentric orbits before accreting once again with Mercury. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 office phone: 310-825-3202 fax: 310-206-3051 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 2:53 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] is it a meteorite So, let's say there is one.a chunk of hematite. What tests could be performed to 1. Prove it was in Space. 2. Originally from Earth. ??? Radionuclide? Jim -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
I think it has been debunked...but those that debunked it are not coming out publicly and saying anything. So, if anything is possible, that shinning light on MARS is the Chinese rover everyone thought landed on the moon! Jim On 4/9/2014 3:54 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. I guess they are making that up too:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: NASA has not debunked it. And the parachutists have only determined a plausible way that a small rock could have ended up in the parachute. As I said, the meteorite hypothesis has not been disproved, only relegated to a sufficiently small likelihood that further investigation is probably unwarranted. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:23 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Actually it seems NASA has debunked it and they parachutists themselves admit it is a stone from the parachute, which I said from moment one. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Actually it seems NASA has debunked it and they parachutists themselves admit it is a stone from the parachute, which I said from moment one. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: I'd like to point out that the meteorite explanation has not been debunked, nor has it been proven that it was a rock from the parachute. The falling object is still consistent with a meteorite. What's been demonstrated is that the rock is very plausibly explained as something trapped in the parachute, and given the odds against capturing an image of a falling meteorite, that's by far the most likely possibility. But a meteorite remains a possibility, although not a likely one. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock
Well, there were a hundred posts when it broke, now that it seems to be un-breaking it goes silent. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Scientists Reconstruct Ancient, Massive Impact
http://news.agu.org/press-release/scientists-reconstruct-ancient-impact-that-dwarfs-dinosaur-extinction-blast/ Scientists reconstruct ancient impact that dwarfs dinosaur-extinction blast American Geophysical Union Press Release 9 April 2014 WASHINGTON, D.C. - Picture this: A massive asteroid almost as wide as Rhode Island and about three to five times larger than the rock thought to have wiped out the dinosaurs slams into Earth. The collision punches a crater into the planet's crust that's nearly 500 kilometers (about 300 miles) across: greater than the distance from Washington, D.C. to New York City, and up to two and a half times larger in diameter than the hole formed by the dinosaur-killing asteroid. Seismic waves bigger than any recorded earthquakes shake the planet for about half an hour at any one location - about six times longer than the huge earthquake that struck Japan three years ago. The impact also sets off tsunamis many times deeper than the one that followed the Japanese quake. Although scientists had previously hypothesized enormous ancient impacts, much greater than the one that may have eliminated the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, now a new study reveals the power and scale of a cataclysmic event some 3.26 billion years ago which is thought to have created geological features found in a South African region known as the Barberton greenstone belt. The research has been accepted for publication in Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems, a journal of the American Geophysical Union. The huge impactor - between 37 and 58 kilometers (23 to 36 miles) wide - collided with the planet at 20 kilometers per second (12 miles per second). The jolt, bigger than a 10.8 magnitude earthquake, propelled seismic waves hundreds of kilometers through the Earth, breaking rocks and setting off other large earthquakes. Tsunamis thousands of meters deep - far bigger than recent tsunamis generated by earthquakes - swept across the oceans that covered most of the Earth at that time. We knew it was big, but we didn't know how big, Donald Lowe, a geologist at Stanford University and a co-author of the study, said of the asteroid. [Graphic] A graphical representation of the size of the asteroid thought to have killed the dinosaurs, and the crater it created, compared to an asteroid thought to have hit the Earth 3.26 billion years ago and the size of the crater it may have generated. A new study reveals the power and scale of the event some 3.26 billion years ago which scientists think created geological features found in a South African region known as the Barberton greenstone belt. Credit: American Geophysical Union Lowe, who discovered telltale rock formations in the Barberton greenstone a decade ago, thought their structure smacked of an asteroid impact. The new research models for the first time how big the asteroid was and the effect it had on the planet, including the possible initiation of a more modern plate tectonic system that is seen in the region, according to Lowe. The study marks the first time scientists have mapped in this way an impact that occurred more than 3 billion years ago, Lowe added, and is likely one of the first times anyone has modeled any impact that occurred during this period of the Earth's evolution. The impact would have been catastrophic to the surface environment. The smaller, dino-killing asteroid crash is estimated to have released more than a billion times more energy than the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The more ancient hit now coming to light would have released much more energy, experts said. The sky would have become red hot, the atmosphere would have been filled with dust and the tops of oceans would have boiled, the researchers said. The impact sent vaporized rock into the atmosphere, which encircled the globe and condensed into liquid droplets before solidifying and falling to the surface, according to the researchers. The impact may have been one of dozens of huge asteroids that scientists think hit the Earth during the tail end of the Late Heavy Bombardment period, a major period of impacts that occurred early in the Earth's history - around 3 billion to 4 billion years ago. Many of the sites where these asteroids landed were destroyed by erosion, movement of the Earth's crust and other forces as the Earth evolved, but geologists have found a handful of areas in South Africa, and Western Australia that still harbor evidence of these impacts that occurred between 3.23 billion and 3.47 billion years ago. The study's co-authors think the asteroid hit the Earth thousands of kilometers away from the Barberton Greenstone Belt, although they can't pinpoint the exact location. We can't go to the impact sites. In order to better understand how big it was and its effect we need studies like this,' said Lowe. Scientists must use the geological evidence of these impacts to piece together what
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The hypothesis has not been debunked by NASA. I hardly think the parachutists are making things up. I just think they're a bit confused about how science works. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:59 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. I guess they are making that up too:) Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Seems pretty normal. While there's still at least a reasonable possibility of a meteorite, I'd expect a lot of chatter among people interested in meteorites. Once it's demonstrated that the meteorite explanation is extremely unlikely, people move on. What's left to discuss? Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:58 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Well, there were a hundred posts when it broke, now that it seems to be un-breaking it goes silent. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:54 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Assuming for a moment that it had been debunked, which I do not believe it has yet, what conversation would you expect to see on the list about it? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images: April 9, 2014
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES April 9, 2014 o Two-Color Dunes in Meridiani Terra http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_033483_1805 Why are these dunes different colors? Sand on Mars is typically dark in tone, as it commonly derived from volcanic rocks like lava flows. o Slumping Terraces on a Crater Wall http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_035702_2270 This slumped terrace, a result of the crater formation process, gives the crater a concentric ringed appearance. o A Heart in Ascraeus Mons http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_035807_1885 What is this strange-looking feature? HiRISE scientists first noticed it in images from the Context Camera and acquired this picture to investigate more closely. o Opportunity Rover's Winter Work at Murray Ridge http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_035909_1775 This new image of Opportunity was acquired as a ride-along with the CRISM instrument also onboard MRO, to help give better details of the topography here. All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Lol! Throw a grant at it and have it due in 5 days and it will be solved! How science works! Jim On 4/9/2014 4:04 PM, Chris Peterson wrote: The hypothesis has not been debunked by NASA. I hardly think the parachutists are making things up. I just think they're a bit confused about how science works. Chris *** Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com On 4/9/2014 4:59 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: Well one of the parachutists seems to think someone at NASA did debunk it, since they posted a thank you for the help thanking NASA. I guess they are making that up too:) Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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One thing's for sure, Greg... If at first you don't succeed, so much for skydiving! ;^) Linton - Original Message - From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock ... just my opinion as I have never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane... yet. :) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Art Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:11 PM To: Jim Wooddell ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I knew it was a rock in his head that fell out of his ear and got caught up in his shute! Cheers Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball over Oregon tonight
We had a fairly large fireball just 31 minutes ago at 8:31p.m. Pacific time, color was mostly green heading east just north of Grant's Pass and it was seen to break into three pieces. It lit things up at dusk and was most likely seen by a number of people driving north and south on interstate 5. The weather is nice today and the skies are clear here in the west. Hopefully there will be plenty of eye witnesses. Only a few so far. Edwin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Linton, I did jump off a perfectly good bridge in Nanaimo, BC a very long time ago, but I don't remember catching any loose gravel on the bungy cord on the way towards the river... ;-) I did fulfill that Bucket List item, and then went on to gather really cool rocks! :) Greg -Original Message- From: Linton Rohr Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 8:06 PM To: Greg Hupé ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock One thing's for sure, Greg... If at first you don't succeed, so much for skydiving! ;^) Linton - Original Message - From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock ... just my opinion as I have never jumped out of a perfectly good airplane... yet. :) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Art Jones Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 6:11 PM To: Jim Wooddell ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Here's a couple articles: http://norskmeteornettverk.no/wordpress/?p=1497 http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/04/08/skydiving_meteorite_it_was_a_rock.html -Art -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 3:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock Did you read that somewhere? Jim On 4/9/2014 3:04 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 -- Jim Wooddell jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4355 / Virus Database: 3882/7321 - Release Date: 04/09/14 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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After flying from coast to coast today, imagine my glee with 20 or so post on this topic ... very insightful posts, I might add. I can't wait until the upcoming 'reduction' in ADS that keep cluttering up my INBOX! With tongue fully in cheek ... John -Original Message- From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Sent: Apr 10, 2014 12:45 AM To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock I knew it was a rock in his head that fell out of his ear and got caught up in his shute! Cheers Don Merchant - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 5:04 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Norway rock So now that the parachute scam has been debunked and now proven to be a rock from the parachute, why has the list gone silent on it? Sent from my iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
