Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

2021-05-22 Thread John Lutzon via Meteorite-list

Exactly what That idiocy embraces
I never thought that "hard science" had Any ambiguity

- Original Message - 
From: "Bruce Wegmann" 
To: "John Lutzon" 
Cc: "bill k" ; 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS


Oh, come on...they're just trying to be "inclusive".  "Woke" idiocy
now invades the hard sciences.  We're doomed...

On 5/22/21, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>
> And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall
> category.
> Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list"
> 
> To: "bill k" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE
> SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>
>
> LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>
>
>
> On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:
>
>>
>> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just
>> as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I
>> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some
>> point. Shsh Most of these terms are absurd.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>
>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find -
>> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of
>> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997,
>> > though an earlier event in the region may be on record
>> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass.
>> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > John A. Shea, MD
>> > IMCA 3295
>> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>> >
>> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
>> >
>> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing
>> > falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one
>> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a
>> > meteorite is an observed fall.
>> >
>> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines
>> > to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules
>> > for falls:
>> >
>> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond
>> > reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event,
>> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred
>> > soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent
>> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately,
>> > convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
>> >
>> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the
>> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt.
>> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced
>> > meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether
>> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of
>> > the event itself.
>> >
>> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom
>> > determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural
>> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
>> >
>> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with
>> > information that may connect it to a fall event, but the
>> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an
>> > observation that seems consistent with a fall event,
>> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is
>> > connected to the event or about the observations of the
>> > event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information
>> > that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high
>> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or
>> > about the observations of the event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence,
>> > was submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
>> >
>> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> >
>> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list"
>> > 
>> > Date: May 21, 2021
>> > To: "bill k" 
>> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
>> > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
>> > 
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE
>> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted
>> > 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The
>> > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these
>> > definitions.
>> >
>> > -Michael in so. Cal.
>> >
>> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > 

Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

2021-05-22 Thread Bruce Wegmann via Meteorite-list
Oh, come on...they're just trying to be "inclusive".  "Woke" idiocy
now invades the hard sciences.  We're doomed...

On 5/22/21, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
>
> And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall
> category.
> Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list"
> 
> To: "bill k" 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE
> SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>
>
> LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>
>
>
> On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:
>
>>
>> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just
>> as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I
>> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some
>> point. Shsh Most of these terms are absurd.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>
>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
>>  wrote:
>>
>> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find -
>> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of
>> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997,
>> > though an earlier event in the region may be on record
>> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass.
>> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > John A. Shea, MD
>> > IMCA 3295
>> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>> >
>> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
>> >
>> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing
>> > falls and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one
>> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a
>> > meteorite is an observed fall.
>> >
>> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines
>> > to be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules
>> > for falls:
>> >
>> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond
>> > reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event,
>> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred
>> > soon after the event. Physical evidence is consistent
>> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately,
>> > convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
>> >
>> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the
>> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt.
>> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced
>> > meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether
>> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of
>> > the event itself.
>> >
>> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom
>> > determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural
>> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
>> >
>> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with
>> > information that may connect it to a fall event, but the
>> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an
>> > observation that seems consistent with a fall event,
>> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is
>> > connected to the event or about the observations of the
>> > event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information
>> > that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high
>> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or
>> > about the observations of the event itself.
>> >
>> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence,
>> > was submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
>> >
>> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> >
>> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list"
>> > 
>> > Date: May 21, 2021
>> > To: "bill k" 
>> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
>> > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
>> > 
>> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE
>> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
>> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted
>> > 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The
>> > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these
>> > definitions.
>> >
>> > -Michael in so. Cal.
>> >
>> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such
>> > > designation exists.
>> > >
>> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is
>> > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an
>> > > officially recognized term?
>> > >
>> > > Sent with ProtonMail 

Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

2021-05-22 Thread John Lutzon via Meteorite-list

And let's not forget the - could be, possible, maybe, perhaps witnessed fall 
category.
Not too ambiguous for any commitee i'm sure.


- Original Message - 
From: "Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list" 
To: "bill k" 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS


LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com



On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:

>
> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as 
> ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I 
> suggested. If the darn thing has been found it had to have fell at some 
> point. Shsh Most of these terms are absurd.
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - 
> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of 
> > weathering seen on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though 
> > an earlier event in the region may be on record 
> > somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass.
> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> >
> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
> >
> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls 
> > and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one 
> > has five categories, which can be arranged in order of confidence that a 
> > meteorite is an observed fall.
> >
> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to 
> > be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules 
> > for falls:
> >
> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable 
> > doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, 
> > witnessed either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred soon 
> > after the event. Physical evidence is consistent 
> > with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur immediately, 
> > convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
> >
> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the 
> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. 
> > There were observations of an event considered likely to have produced 
> > meteorites, but there remains some doubt about whether 
> > the collected meteorite is related to the event, or about the nature of the 
> > event itself.
> >
> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines 
> > to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural 
> > rules for finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
> >
> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information 
> > that may connect it to a fall event, but the 
> > evidence was found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an 
> > observation that seems consistent with a fall event, 
> > but there is significant doubt, either about whether the meteorite is 
> > connected to the event or about the observations of the 
> > event itself.
> >
> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that 
> > may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high 
> > degree of doubt about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or 
> > about the observations of the event itself.
> >
> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was 
> > submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
> >
> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
> > 
> > Date: May 21, 2021
> > To: "bill k" 
> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
> > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx 
> > (usra.edu) for an answer to your question. The 
> > Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society maintains these 
> > definitions.
> >
> > -Michael in so. Cal.
> >
> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
> >
> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > designation exists.
> > >
> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is 
> > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an 
> > > officially recognized term?
> > >
> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Elizabeth,
> > > >
> > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > > 

[meteorite-list] Extraterrestrial Plutonium Found On Ocean Floor

2021-05-22 Thread Paul via Meteorite-list

Freshly Made Plutonium From Outer Space Found On Ocean Floor
By Nell Greengrocer, NPR, May 13, 2021
https://www.wrkf.org/2021-05-13/freshly-made-plutonium-from-outer-space-found-on-ocean-floor

Scientists Find Plutonium Made in Outer Space on Ocean Floor
Research suggests the rare, heavy element may have been created
by the collision of two neutron stars, Smithsonian Magazine
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/scientists-find-plutonium-made-outer-space-deep-sea-crust-180977739/

The paper is:

Wallner, A., Froehlich, M.B., Hotchkis, M.A.C., Kinoshita, N.,
Paul, M., Martschini, M., Pavetich, S., Tims, S.G., Kivel, N.,
Schumann, D. and Honda, M., 2021. 60Fe and 244Pu deposited
on Earth constrain the r-process yields of recent nearby
supernovae. Science, 372(6543), pp.742-745.
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/742.abstract

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

2021-05-22 Thread Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!

Cheers,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295
www.bigjohnmeteorites.com



On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:

> 
> As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as 
> ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I suggested. If the darn thing has 
> been found it had to have fell at some point. Shsh Most of these 
> terms are absurd.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - 
> > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen on 
> > the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event 
> > in the region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to 
> > the mass. 
> > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
> >
> > Cheers,
> > John A. Shea, MD
> > IMCA 3295
> > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> >
> > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
> >
> > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls 
> > and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, 
> > which can be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an 
> > observed fall.
> >
> > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to 
> > be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls:
> >
> > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable 
> > doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed either visually or 
> > with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical 
> > evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur 
> > immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
> >
> > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the 
> > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations 
> > of an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there 
> > remains some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to the 
> > event, or about the nature of the event itself.
> >
> > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines 
> > to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for finds, 
> > including application of DCA numbering sequences.
> >
> > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information 
> > that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was found to be 
> > insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems 
> > consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, either about 
> > whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations 
> > of the event itself.
> >
> > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that 
> > may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt about 
> > whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations 
> > of the event itself.
> >
> > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was 
> > submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
> >
> > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> >
> > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
> > 
> > Date: May 21, 2021
> > To: "bill k" 
> > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
> > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
> > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx 
> > (usra.edu) for an answer to your question.  The Nomenclature Committee of 
> > the Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions.
> >
> > -Michael in so. Cal.
> >
> > Virus-free. www.avg.com
> >
> > On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > designation exists.
> > >
> > > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is 
> > > implied and should go without saying... but is it an officially 
> > > recognized term?
> > >
> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > >
> > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Elizabeth, 
> > > >
> > > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > > designation exists.  The features of this meteorite are consistent with 
> > > > a residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or far 
> > > > more; Bur-Abor is an outstanding, highly weathered meteorite.  Please 
> > > > remedy as we all get hurt when the line between puffing and 
> > > > misrepresentation is blurred. 
> > > >
> > > > > On May 18, 2021, at 

[meteorite-list] May Issue of Meteorite Times now up

2021-05-22 Thread Paul Harris via Meteorite-list

Hello Everyone,

The May issue of Meteorite Times is now up.

https://www.meteorite-times.com/

Enjoy!

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Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

2021-05-22 Thread bill k via Meteorite-list

As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as 
ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I suggested. If the darn thing has 
been found it had to have fell at some point. Shsh Most of these terms 
are absurd.



Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

> In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - Doubtful 
> Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen on the mass 
> is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event in the 
> region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass. 
> The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>
> "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
>
> In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls and 
> finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, which can 
> be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an observed fall.
>
> The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be 
> falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls:
>
> A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable 
> doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed either visually or 
> with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical 
> evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur 
> immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
>
> A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the 
> evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations of 
> an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there remains 
> some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to the event, or 
> about the nature of the event itself.
>
> The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines 
> to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for finds, including 
> application of DCA numbering sequences.
>
> A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information 
> that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was found to be 
> insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems 
> consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, either about 
> whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of 
> the event itself.
>
> A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that 
> may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt about 
> whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of 
> the event itself.
>
> A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was 
> submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
>
> On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
> From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
> 
> Date: May 21, 2021
> To: "bill k" 
> Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
> "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
> SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx 
> (usra.edu) for an answer to your question.  The Nomenclature Committee of the 
> Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions.
>
> -Michael in so. Cal.
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
> > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > designation exists.
> >
> > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is 
> > implied and should go without saying... but is it an officially recognized 
> > term?
> >
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Elizabeth, 
> > >
> > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > designation exists.  The features of this meteorite are consistent with a 
> > > residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or far more; 
> > > Bur-Abor is an outstanding, highly weathered meteorite.  Please remedy as 
> > > we all get hurt when the line between puffing and misrepresentation is 
> > > blurred. 
> > >
> > > > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION
> > > > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > > > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB
> > > > Northeastern Province, 
> > > > Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/
> > > >
> > > > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass may 
> > > > arguably be 

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