[meteorite-list] Test

2004-07-08 Thread Allen Shaw



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[meteorite-list] St. Augustine Illinois.

2004-07-08 Thread Allen Shaw



Anyone who may be interested in a 
full of said meteorite contact me off list.
--Allen.
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[meteorite-list] test/delete

2004-04-30 Thread Allen Shaw



just 
testing..
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Re: [meteorite-list] Something Fantastic!

2003-10-20 Thread Allen Shaw



test. 1...2 
...32...53...6...3...(next?)..etc...etc.
Note: new email 
address.

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  Fantastic!
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Article About Alabama Superbolide of Dec.5, 1999

2003-07-22 Thread Allen Shaw



 Greetings Ron 
 list,
 My brother and 
myself investigated this occurance. After speaking with numerous eyewitnesses we 
narrowed it down to ~3x12 mile swath whereby the onlookers heard the tell tale 
thunderous rumblefollowed by a swishing/sizzling sound. One husband and 
wife heard small raps, like pellets clanking on thier roof and in their 
guttering. Still we found nothing. They also told us that it rained a day or two 
after thebolide, which makes me believe that maybe it was a variety of 
carbonaceous, like Tagish Lake, that rained down that day in Dec. 1999, 
rendering the material into space-mud?
---Shaw 


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ron Baalke 
  To: Meteorite Mailing List 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:56 
PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Article 
  About Alabama Superbolide of Dec.5, 1999
In the latest issue of Eos (American  
  Geophysical Union), there is a detailed  article about about fireballs 
  (bolides) seen all across Alabama on Dec. 5, 1999.  It 
  is:  King, D. T., and Petruny, L. W., 2003,  The 
  Trans-Alabama Superbolide of 5  December 1999.Eos, vol.84, no. 
  27, p. 253, 257 (July 1003) I just obtained a copy of 
  the article. It is interesting because a DODsatellite also observed this 
  fireball. The DOD measurements of the flightpath differed from the ground 
  observations by about 90 degrees, just likewith Park Forest. The 
  author concluded that the DOD measurements were wrong,but like Park 
  Forest, it is probably just an observing effect.The article also 
  mentioned that three adjacent ground fires occurred at aboutthe same time 
  as the fireball passage. No meteorites were found at the burn sites.The 
  author surmised the fireball was the cause of the fires due to an electrical 
  discharge was created by the fireball's ionized wake. However, 
  checking the lightning data for the area showed no discarges had occurred. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Delaware

2003-07-17 Thread Allen Shaw



Hello Walter, and list.
The Delaware mass was the most 
unusual stone I have ever sliced up. On one end (where the inital cuts were 
made) was the heavily brecciated matrix with well defined veins and armored 
chondrules, but overall, a uniform interior. But, by the time the mass was 
reduced to the opposite end cut,the matrix displayed a totally 
differentinterior with two large (and completely different) clasts of 
alternate varieties of meteorite (carbonaceous?and.?) within the 
host.
 I retained this portion for my 
collection, and if you like will post some images of this anomaly tomorrow 
sometime.
---Shaw.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Walter 
  Branch 
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  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:20 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] Delaware
  
  
  Hello Everyone,
  
  I am sitting here at my desk examining a slice of 
  Delaware, an L4 chondrite found in 1972 in Arkansas. Those who might 
  have some of this meteorite, would you please examine your piece and tell me 
  if you see many metal-rimmed chondrules. Thanks.
  
  -Walter
  --www.branchmeteorites.com


Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Debris Found In Joshua Tree May Be From Columbia

2003-02-06 Thread Allen Shaw



I agree with Robert. Same old song and 
dance.
---Shaw

  - Original Message - 
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  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
  
  Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:18 
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  Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Debris 
  Found In Joshua Tree May Be From Columbia
  Hi Ron,I still think they are way over-stating the 
  probabilities forthis piece of metal debris. I saw it on the news 
  last night --it could honestly be ANYTHING. There are no serial 
  numbers onit that I could see, so tracing it to Columbia at this 
  stageis nothing more than an uneducated guess."The path the 
  shuttle took on its failed journey home carried itwell north of the 
  Coachella Valley and the Joshua Tree area, butofficials say it is possible 
  that debris could have fallen in the southland.""Officials" might 
  say that; I wonder about *engineers*."A 4 inch by 4 inch piece of 
  metal is at the center of all the attention, and is now believed to be 
  part of the space shuttle Columbia.""Now believed" by whom? 
  The sheriff? No one from NASA has yetexamined the piece. 
  All this started when Bob Beggs spotted a shiny piece of metal in his 
  driveway Saturday afternoon. "I thought it was a piece of trash 
  that had blown in," he says. But after closer inspection, Bob 
  realized it was much more than a piece of trash from the desert. He 
  says it was hot to the touch.I was in the Mojave desert that 
  day. It was sunny and warm.What happens when you put a piece of 
  metal out in the sunin the desert? Honestly, the "evidence" here is 
  hardly worthmentioning. To summarize, we've got a small, 
  non-descriptmetal frame found in the hot desert sun, hundreds of 
  kilometersfrom Columbia's ground track. This is going to turn out to 
  benothing. And when it does, the same thing will happen 
  thatalways happens: the story will quietly go away, and no onein 
  the media will point out how unlikely it was to be a pieceof Columbia in 
  the first place. Same thing that happens 
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Re: [meteorite-list] How do I get out?

2003-01-14 Thread Allen Shaw
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] How do I get out?



HAAA. Thats good"Steve Arnolds' 
post's forever"...
Shaw 

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  get out?
  Sorry Gregory...been there, done that (more than once, trust 
  me) and I'm still subscribed. Send an e-mail to the list administrator, no 
  response, still subscribed. Maybe I should wear some red slippers, click me 
  heels together and wished I was not subscribed anymore (hope this harmless 
  sarcasm doesn't piss off somebody and thus doom me to receive Steve Arnold's 
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for unsubscribing is all of one click away, at the webpage right at the 
bottom of every list-post. Good luck with the 
hunt.Gregory 


[meteorite-list] Leedy, OK.

2002-12-15 Thread Allen Shaw



Anyone who may be interested in a 134g full slice of the above 
mentioned witnessed fall, I have one available.If interested, email me off 
list.
-Allen.


Re: [meteorite-list] Turkey sighting was rocket body reentry

2002-11-21 Thread Allen Shaw
Hear here, Mr. Matson.
Shaw
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From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:02 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Turkey sighting was rocket body reentry


 Hi Art and List,
 
  Has anyone been following the sightings over Turkey made by several
  airliners on November 1st? It is getting coverage in the 'fringe'
  press as multiple UFOs but after reading the eyewitness reports
  and illustrations (there was even some video captured), it looks
  to me to be a bolide. I have also heard reports that it was
  possibly a Russian booster.
 
 It was definitely the reentry of the Soyuz rocket that launched
 the latest crew of 3 to the ISS on October 30th.  Specifically, it
 was USSPACECOM #27553, 2002-050B.  It had a dry mass of 2350 kilos;
 basically a cylinder 6.7 meters long by 2.7 meters in diameter.
 The reentry was seen from Afyon, Yalova and Antalya, Turkey (I
 spent some of my honeymoon last year in Antalya!)
 
 Cheers,
 Rob
 
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[meteorite-list] Eads, Colo.

2002-08-13 Thread Allen Shaw



Greetings List,
 
 I have available acomplete uncut oriented 
individual of said meteorite weighing in @ ~ 7 3/4 pounds. Anyone interested can 
contact me off list.
 
All the best,
Allen.


Re: [meteorite-list] Whatsit

2002-07-30 Thread Allen Shaw
Title: Whatsit




I'll wager that its lighter than it looks and 
does NOT attract a magnet even slightlysome form of 
basalt?
---Shaw.

-Original Message-From: 
Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 
Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:04 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] 
Whatsit
Hi Mike,

My guess is, Pluto as a young 
protoplanet.

A very small prorpplanet.

Okay, maybe Mercury.

Obviously, I have no idea.

-Walter
---Walter Branch, 
Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, 
GA 31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com

- Original Message - 
From: 
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Blood 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:45 
PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] 
Whatsit
Hi all,As a dealer, I get all kinds 
of offers to buy the meteorite 
someonefound.Just for yuks, whadda yall think 
THIS is?http://cards.webshots.com/cp-30698714-USjg-album/45268799GAjVck 



Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Eads Colorado

2002-07-30 Thread Allen Shaw

Anyone who maybe interested in a full 2.6 kilo slice of Rio Limay contact me
off list.
Cheers,
Allen.
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Date: Sunday, July 28, 2002 2:12 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Eads Colorado


Dear List Members:
Eads, CO for sale 247gr. full slice of mass $3.00/gr. Thanks.  Dirk
Ross..Tokyo


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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Portales Valley!

2002-06-13 Thread Allen Shaw

Hello all,
   Anyone who maybe interested in a stone variety P.V. complete indv. of
200.50 grams contact me off list, as I have one to spare.
Allen.
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Portales Valley!


Hi all,

Four years already.  As the list has noted in recent days, this is a
most beautiful and unusual meteorite.  I was just checking out my metal
rich interior slice.  I love it, but also realizing I must move a nice
crusted slice a bit higher up on my wish list.
Best wishes,
Charlie


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Re: [meteorite-list] why worry?

2002-05-20 Thread Allen Shaw

Hear, here.
---Shaw.
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To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:33 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] why worry?


Dear List Members,
Why do we even have to concern ourselves as to what is or isn't sold
on ebay?  Let the buyer beware!  Part of any hobby is education.  Call
it tuition if someone buys a MW.  Did someone teach you what to buy or
not?  Or did you, as many, take a risk and buy something without not
knowing 100%?  We don't have to be the Holdens of the world.  Let the
buyer take the responsibility.  I step back now.
Sincerely,   Dirk Ross..IMCA..Tokyo


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Re: [meteorite-list] non-photo

2002-05-06 Thread Allen Shaw




Ahh, Kuputt. Thanks Anne.
Allen.

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non-photoIn a 
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You forgot kapoot...or is it kaputBernd? 
It is: k a p u t t  
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Re: [meteorite-list] non-photo

2002-05-05 Thread Allen Shaw

You forgot kapoot...or is it kaputBernd?
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Date: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:03 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] non-photo


Yo Steve,
 Your attached JPG was damaged, no good, sucked, didn't cut it,
was incomplete, broke down, made my netscape crash, didn't come
through, etc.
 Howsabout one that works? 
 Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Closest meteorite

2002-05-02 Thread Allen Shaw




I would have to second that. .For a man who 
has out numbered Ninninger in finds (not recoveries), Skip truly holds the reins 
for meteorites hand picked from Earth to hand. And what a modest man he 
be.and then, enter the Portales Valley which detonates above him (he 
thought it was an airplane gone awry at first), and after a 40 years or so of 
seeking the space invaders (1960?), this happens. Fairly unusual if you ask 
me.
--Shaw.

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meteorite

I would like to nominate Skip Wilson, and Gale 
Newbury. Skip lives about 100 yards from the closest Portales Valley piece 
to his house, and Gale Newbury had one fall through his barn roof. It dont 
get much closer than that. 
Mike


Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall

2002-03-12 Thread Allen Shaw

ps, I guess Mr. Herbert chanced the same outlook..
-Original Message-
From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:08 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall


A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted:

--
LL6Rob Elliott
Diogenite  Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded)
L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi
LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab *
L5 Rhett Bourland
LL4-6  Rob Matson
L/LL6  Frank Cressy
L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn
Polymict eucrite   Dave Schultz
Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-))
Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging)
EL6Tracy Latimer
L4 Jason Phillips
L6, brecciated, w/shock veins  Steve Schoner **
--

* Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott)
** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it)

Bernd:  do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do
you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet?

Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my
LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted.
If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second
choice of H4-6.

Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an
non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at
it gang!

Cheers,
Rob M.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall

2002-03-12 Thread Allen Shaw

Well, since Rob's official classification assumptsion is LL6  ..AND
since it is HE that is awarding der prize. I must say that LL6 sounds
good to me as my official guess
Shaw, Allen.
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Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:08 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall


A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted:

--
LL6Rob Elliott
Diogenite  Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded)
L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi
LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab *
L5 Rhett Bourland
LL4-6  Rob Matson
L/LL6  Frank Cressy
L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn
Polymict eucrite   Dave Schultz
Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-))
Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging)
EL6Tracy Latimer
L4 Jason Phillips
L6, brecciated, w/shock veins  Steve Schoner **
--

* Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott)
** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it)

Bernd:  do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do
you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet?

Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my
LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted.
If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second
choice of H4-6.

Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an
non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at
it gang!

Cheers,
Rob M.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit

2002-03-12 Thread Allen Shaw

test
-Original Message-
From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit


Farmer you are just as full of shit as you always are. Somebody hires you
to
buy meteorites for them and you figure that it is your money that you are
spending. You dont have $700,000 and you never have. You pay more than
anybody else in morocco because you dont deal with the nomads directly and
yes, they love you over there in morocco for that. Sure you bought two
kilos
the R chondrite, 1.3 kilos of the CR2 and some eucrites when you went over
last time in January. You hire some guide who goes around to the usual
spots
that the moroccan resellers sell from and you get picked over material.
Hell, your lunar was what, 200 grams less by the time you bought it because
they had cut pieces to show everybody else trying to sell it.
But you can go and have a beer and be happy and feel good thinking that you
fucked me on the new fall now. Finally for once somebody gets a good deal
from Mike Farmer. For the first time ever Mike Farmer is responsible for
dropping the price of a meteorite. Welcome to the club farmer. You know how
to play with the big boys now. You have finally learned that holding on to
something for 5 years trying to get 10 times what something is worth is not
the best way to go. You can make more money turning over stock fast. I am
sure that when some investors buys a plane ticket for you again you will
be able to afford to go to Morocco again and hang out with the moroccans. i
guess that your travels of a couple years ago that you had to pay for
yourself didnt work out quite like you had planned. And to people who want
some of the new fall? My advise is to buy it from farmer. He is giving you
one hell of a deal here. Not something to pass up. Unlike the rest of the
overpriced stuff on his website. Hell, he even convinced the world that his
CK4 that he bought was somehow better than the Libyan ones and should be
worth double the price. But you always pay for stories with farmers
meteorites (Except with the new fall).
Ok farmer. You win tonight. You can celebrate now. The little boy has won
his battle. Go home and tell your wife how good you are. Big brave
meteorite
buyer. By golly you da man. Tonight you win. I am going for beer. I am
leaving the sandbox now. You can have it all to yourself and throw all of
the sand that you want for the rest of the night.
DEAN



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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Stony-Iron Meteorite Kept In Missouri Garage For Two Years

2002-02-19 Thread Allen Shaw

I recieved a call from someone in the 660 area code of Missouri about a week
ago who said they had a stony meteorite that was being classified in Albq.
weighing ~5 pounds.
---Shaw.
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Stony-Iron Meteorite Kept In Missouri
Garage For Two Years


I heard 2.3 kg or so.
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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:43 PM
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 Did they mention how big it is? I did not see it in the article.

 Mark M
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 For Two Years


   MARYVILLE - One of the rarest types of meteorites, which
   may date back 4.5 billion years, was kept in a Missouri garage
   for about two years before a student brought it in to a
   geology teacher at Northwest Missouri State.
 
  ...
 
   I said, 'Oh my gosh, a stony-iron meteorite,'  Rohs said.
   Rohs took it to a University of Kansas professor, who confirmed
   her conclusions.
 
  So the question is:  pallasite or mesosiderite?  --Rob
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ppppparadoxxxxx

2002-02-06 Thread Allen Shaw




I would hypothesize that there is no great 
difference between dreaming @ nite and death, ..but between death 
and waking awarness, a great chasym can be beheld...
Just my and Juan Matas' opinion. 

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Michael Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
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Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:31 AMSubject: [meteorite-list] 
paradox

I know that God exists because HE has talked to 
me when I have listened. I have also had communication with the ones 
that call themselves The Ancient Ones. No I am not a 
basket case.at least not yet. Clue in Life: Seek and you 
Shall Find, Ask and it Shall be Given. Find What? Given 
What? Seeking and Asking can be dangerous! I would go to the list 
with this message but there are those that are afraid of a God. Many 
people only seek GOD because they are afraid.of death. For 
me there is not deathI am immortalmaybe not the I am nowbut 
nevertheless immortal. By the same token I don't understand LIFE 
as we call it. For me there isn't a separation. 
 If you wish to go to the list with a reply, I 
don't mind whatsoever. I challenge you to. Let's continue this thread. 
Sincerely, Michael Casper, Ithaca, 
NY