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[meteorite-list] St. Augustine Illinois.
Anyone who may be interested in a full of said meteorite contact me off list. --Allen. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Something Fantastic!
test. 1...2 ...32...53...6...3...(next?)..etc...etc. Note: new email address. - Original Message - From: Nelson Oakes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Something Fantastic! Dear list members, Master Meteorite Hunter par excellence Habibi hasdone it again (and again!). Please check out our new, fully orientedMartian Shergottite obviously paired with NWA480. Shes stunning!! And awonderful breast shaped totally oriented 631.27 gram Slammer!!! This isone exotic stone!! Both can be seen at www.meteorites-r-us.com Thanks and enjoy!! Nels__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Article About Alabama Superbolide of Dec.5, 1999
Greetings Ron list, My brother and myself investigated this occurance. After speaking with numerous eyewitnesses we narrowed it down to ~3x12 mile swath whereby the onlookers heard the tell tale thunderous rumblefollowed by a swishing/sizzling sound. One husband and wife heard small raps, like pellets clanking on thier roof and in their guttering. Still we found nothing. They also told us that it rained a day or two after thebolide, which makes me believe that maybe it was a variety of carbonaceous, like Tagish Lake, that rained down that day in Dec. 1999, rendering the material into space-mud? ---Shaw - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke To: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Article About Alabama Superbolide of Dec.5, 1999 In the latest issue of Eos (American Geophysical Union), there is a detailed article about about fireballs (bolides) seen all across Alabama on Dec. 5, 1999. It is: King, D. T., and Petruny, L. W., 2003, The Trans-Alabama Superbolide of 5 December 1999.Eos, vol.84, no. 27, p. 253, 257 (July 1003) I just obtained a copy of the article. It is interesting because a DODsatellite also observed this fireball. The DOD measurements of the flightpath differed from the ground observations by about 90 degrees, just likewith Park Forest. The author concluded that the DOD measurements were wrong,but like Park Forest, it is probably just an observing effect.The article also mentioned that three adjacent ground fires occurred at aboutthe same time as the fireball passage. No meteorites were found at the burn sites.The author surmised the fireball was the cause of the fires due to an electrical discharge was created by the fireball's ionized wake. However, checking the lightning data for the area showed no discarges had occurred. Ron Baalke __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Delaware
Hello Walter, and list. The Delaware mass was the most unusual stone I have ever sliced up. On one end (where the inital cuts were made) was the heavily brecciated matrix with well defined veins and armored chondrules, but overall, a uniform interior. But, by the time the mass was reduced to the opposite end cut,the matrix displayed a totally differentinterior with two large (and completely different) clasts of alternate varieties of meteorite (carbonaceous?and.?) within the host. I retained this portion for my collection, and if you like will post some images of this anomaly tomorrow sometime. ---Shaw. - Original Message - From: Walter Branch To: Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Delaware Hello Everyone, I am sitting here at my desk examining a slice of Delaware, an L4 chondrite found in 1972 in Arkansas. Those who might have some of this meteorite, would you please examine your piece and tell me if you see many metal-rimmed chondrules. Thanks. -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Debris Found In Joshua Tree May Be From Columbia
I agree with Robert. Same old song and dance. ---Shaw - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Debris Found In Joshua Tree May Be From Columbia Hi Ron,I still think they are way over-stating the probabilities forthis piece of metal debris. I saw it on the news last night --it could honestly be ANYTHING. There are no serial numbers onit that I could see, so tracing it to Columbia at this stageis nothing more than an uneducated guess."The path the shuttle took on its failed journey home carried itwell north of the Coachella Valley and the Joshua Tree area, butofficials say it is possible that debris could have fallen in the southland.""Officials" might say that; I wonder about *engineers*."A 4 inch by 4 inch piece of metal is at the center of all the attention, and is now believed to be part of the space shuttle Columbia.""Now believed" by whom? The sheriff? No one from NASA has yetexamined the piece. All this started when Bob Beggs spotted a shiny piece of metal in his driveway Saturday afternoon. "I thought it was a piece of trash that had blown in," he says. But after closer inspection, Bob realized it was much more than a piece of trash from the desert. He says it was hot to the touch.I was in the Mojave desert that day. It was sunny and warm.What happens when you put a piece of metal out in the sunin the desert? Honestly, the "evidence" here is hardly worthmentioning. To summarize, we've got a small, non-descriptmetal frame found in the hot desert sun, hundreds of kilometersfrom Columbia's ground track. This is going to turn out to benothing. And when it does, the same thing will happen thatalways happens: the story will quietly go away, and no onein the media will point out how unlikely it was to be a pieceof Columbia in the first place. Same thing that happens withmeteorwrongs.--Rob__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How do I get out?
Title: Re: [meteorite-list] How do I get out? HAAA. Thats good"Steve Arnolds' post's forever"... Shaw - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How do I get out? Sorry Gregory...been there, done that (more than once, trust me) and I'm still subscribed. Send an e-mail to the list administrator, no response, still subscribed. Maybe I should wear some red slippers, click me heels together and wished I was not subscribed anymore (hope this harmless sarcasm doesn't piss off somebody and thus doom me to receive Steve Arnold's posts for ever...:-)) De: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fecha: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:32:58 ESTPara: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] How do I get out? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Please unsubscribe me from this list...or tell me what unorthodox procedurehas been set up in this list.The "unorthodox" procedure for unsubscribing is all of one click away, at the webpage right at the bottom of every list-post. Good luck with the hunt.Gregory
[meteorite-list] Leedy, OK.
Anyone who may be interested in a 134g full slice of the above mentioned witnessed fall, I have one available.If interested, email me off list. -Allen.
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkey sighting was rocket body reentry
Hear here, Mr. Matson. Shaw - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Turkey sighting was rocket body reentry Hi Art and List, Has anyone been following the sightings over Turkey made by several airliners on November 1st? It is getting coverage in the 'fringe' press as multiple UFOs but after reading the eyewitness reports and illustrations (there was even some video captured), it looks to me to be a bolide. I have also heard reports that it was possibly a Russian booster. It was definitely the reentry of the Soyuz rocket that launched the latest crew of 3 to the ISS on October 30th. Specifically, it was USSPACECOM #27553, 2002-050B. It had a dry mass of 2350 kilos; basically a cylinder 6.7 meters long by 2.7 meters in diameter. The reentry was seen from Afyon, Yalova and Antalya, Turkey (I spent some of my honeymoon last year in Antalya!) Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Eads, Colo.
Greetings List, I have available acomplete uncut oriented individual of said meteorite weighing in @ ~ 7 3/4 pounds. Anyone interested can contact me off list. All the best, Allen.
Re: [meteorite-list] Whatsit
Title: Whatsit I'll wager that its lighter than it looks and does NOT attract a magnet even slightlysome form of basalt? ---Shaw. -Original Message-From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 4:04 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Whatsit Hi Mike, My guess is, Pluto as a young protoplanet. A very small prorpplanet. Okay, maybe Mercury. Obviously, I have no idea. -Walter ---Walter Branch, Ph.D.Branch Meteorites322 Stephenson Ave., Suite BSavannah, GA 31405 USAwww.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Whatsit Hi all,As a dealer, I get all kinds of offers to buy the meteorite someonefound.Just for yuks, whadda yall think THIS is?http://cards.webshots.com/cp-30698714-USjg-album/45268799GAjVck
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Eads Colorado
Anyone who maybe interested in a full 2.6 kilo slice of Rio Limay contact me off list. Cheers, Allen. -Original Message- From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 28, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Eads Colorado Dear List Members: Eads, CO for sale 247gr. full slice of mass $3.00/gr. Thanks. Dirk Ross..Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Portales Valley!
Hello all, Anyone who maybe interested in a stone variety P.V. complete indv. of 200.50 grams contact me off list, as I have one to spare. Allen. -Original Message- From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 13, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday Portales Valley! Hi all, Four years already. As the list has noted in recent days, this is a most beautiful and unusual meteorite. I was just checking out my metal rich interior slice. I love it, but also realizing I must move a nice crusted slice a bit higher up on my wish list. Best wishes, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] why worry?
Hear, here. ---Shaw. -Original Message- From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] why worry? Dear List Members, Why do we even have to concern ourselves as to what is or isn't sold on ebay? Let the buyer beware! Part of any hobby is education. Call it tuition if someone buys a MW. Did someone teach you what to buy or not? Or did you, as many, take a risk and buy something without not knowing 100%? We don't have to be the Holdens of the world. Let the buyer take the responsibility. I step back now. Sincerely, Dirk Ross..IMCA..Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] non-photo
Ahh, Kuputt. Thanks Anne. Allen. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, May 06, 2002 4:29 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] non-photoIn a message dated 5/5/2002 10:17:35 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You forgot kapoot...or is it kaputBernd? It is: k a p u t t Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] non-photo
You forgot kapoot...or is it kaputBernd? -Original Message- From: Michael Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: SSTEVE ARNOLD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: METEORITECENTRAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:03 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] non-photo Yo Steve, Your attached JPG was damaged, no good, sucked, didn't cut it, was incomplete, broke down, made my netscape crash, didn't come through, etc. Howsabout one that works? Michael -- Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things. -- Dan Quayle, 11/30/88 -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satalite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/jFYolB/TM -- Michael Blood Meteorites for sale at: http://www.meteorite.com/Michael_Blood/catalog.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Closest meteorite
I would have to second that. .For a man who has out numbered Ninninger in finds (not recoveries), Skip truly holds the reins for meteorites hand picked from Earth to hand. And what a modest man he be.and then, enter the Portales Valley which detonates above him (he thought it was an airplane gone awry at first), and after a 40 years or so of seeking the space invaders (1960?), this happens. Fairly unusual if you ask me. --Shaw. -Original Message-From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:19 AMSubject: [meteorite-list] Closest meteorite I would like to nominate Skip Wilson, and Gale Newbury. Skip lives about 100 yards from the closest Portales Valley piece to his house, and Gale Newbury had one fall through his barn roof. It dont get much closer than that. Mike
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
ps, I guess Mr. Herbert chanced the same outlook.. -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted: -- LL6Rob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** -- * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott) ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it) Bernd: do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet? Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted. If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second choice of H4-6. Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at it gang! Cheers, Rob M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Well, since Rob's official classification assumptsion is LL6 ..AND since it is HE that is awarding der prize. I must say that LL6 sounds good to me as my official guess Shaw, Allen. -Original Message- From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall A summary of the guesses so far, in the order posted: -- LL6Rob Elliott Diogenite Bernd Pauli (guess later rescinded) L6, brecciated Martin Horejsi LL6 (highly recrystallized)Herbert Raab * L5 Rhett Bourland LL4-6 Rob Matson L/LL6 Frank Cressy L5, brecciated Mike Tettenborn Polymict eucrite Dave Schultz Iron IIAB Dave Radosevich (sandbagging ;-)) Hematite nodule Jeannie (also sandbagging) EL6Tracy Latimer L4 Jason Phillips L6, brecciated, w/shock veins Steve Schoner ** -- * Herbert needs to choose again (same as Rob Elliott) ** Steve Schoner needs to choose again (Martin beat him to it) Bernd: do you want to stick with diogenite just for fun, or do you have a back-up guess that hasn't been taken yet? Since our guesses are getting pretty precise, I'll assume my LL4-6 was sufficiently different from Rob's to be accepted. If Rob is in agreement, then I officially release my second choice of H4-6. Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at it gang! Cheers, Rob M. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit
test -Original Message- From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bessy Bullshit Farmer you are just as full of shit as you always are. Somebody hires you to buy meteorites for them and you figure that it is your money that you are spending. You dont have $700,000 and you never have. You pay more than anybody else in morocco because you dont deal with the nomads directly and yes, they love you over there in morocco for that. Sure you bought two kilos the R chondrite, 1.3 kilos of the CR2 and some eucrites when you went over last time in January. You hire some guide who goes around to the usual spots that the moroccan resellers sell from and you get picked over material. Hell, your lunar was what, 200 grams less by the time you bought it because they had cut pieces to show everybody else trying to sell it. But you can go and have a beer and be happy and feel good thinking that you fucked me on the new fall now. Finally for once somebody gets a good deal from Mike Farmer. For the first time ever Mike Farmer is responsible for dropping the price of a meteorite. Welcome to the club farmer. You know how to play with the big boys now. You have finally learned that holding on to something for 5 years trying to get 10 times what something is worth is not the best way to go. You can make more money turning over stock fast. I am sure that when some investors buys a plane ticket for you again you will be able to afford to go to Morocco again and hang out with the moroccans. i guess that your travels of a couple years ago that you had to pay for yourself didnt work out quite like you had planned. And to people who want some of the new fall? My advise is to buy it from farmer. He is giving you one hell of a deal here. Not something to pass up. Unlike the rest of the overpriced stuff on his website. Hell, he even convinced the world that his CK4 that he bought was somehow better than the Libyan ones and should be worth double the price. But you always pay for stories with farmers meteorites (Except with the new fall). Ok farmer. You win tonight. You can celebrate now. The little boy has won his battle. Go home and tell your wife how good you are. Big brave meteorite buyer. By golly you da man. Tonight you win. I am going for beer. I am leaving the sandbox now. You can have it all to yourself and throw all of the sand that you want for the rest of the night. DEAN _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Stony-Iron Meteorite Kept In Missouri Garage For Two Years
I recieved a call from someone in the 660 area code of Missouri about a week ago who said they had a stony meteorite that was being classified in Albq. weighing ~5 pounds. ---Shaw. -Original Message- From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Stony-Iron Meteorite Kept In Missouri Garage For Two Years I heard 2.3 kg or so. - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Stony-Iron Meteorite Kept In Missouri Garage For Two Years Did they mention how big it is? I did not see it in the article. Mark M - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rare Stony-Iron Meteorite Kept In Missouri Garage For Two Years MARYVILLE - One of the rarest types of meteorites, which may date back 4.5 billion years, was kept in a Missouri garage for about two years before a student brought it in to a geology teacher at Northwest Missouri State. ... I said, 'Oh my gosh, a stony-iron meteorite,' Rohs said. Rohs took it to a University of Kansas professor, who confirmed her conclusions. So the question is: pallasite or mesosiderite? --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ppppparadoxxxxx
I would hypothesize that there is no great difference between dreaming @ nite and death, ..but between death and waking awarness, a great chasym can be beheld... Just my and Juan Matas' opinion. -Original Message-From: Michael Casper [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:31 AMSubject: [meteorite-list] paradox I know that God exists because HE has talked to me when I have listened. I have also had communication with the ones that call themselves The Ancient Ones. No I am not a basket case.at least not yet. Clue in Life: Seek and you Shall Find, Ask and it Shall be Given. Find What? Given What? Seeking and Asking can be dangerous! I would go to the list with this message but there are those that are afraid of a God. Many people only seek GOD because they are afraid.of death. For me there is not deathI am immortalmaybe not the I am nowbut nevertheless immortal. By the same token I don't understand LIFE as we call it. For me there isn't a separation. If you wish to go to the list with a reply, I don't mind whatsoever. I challenge you to. Let's continue this thread. Sincerely, Michael Casper, Ithaca, NY