Re: [meteorite-list] New type of fake moldavite coming soon?
?Hydrofluoric acid can do the job. AA - Original Message - From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com To: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New type of fake moldavite coming soon? I'm actually curious as to how they're being made. Can casting glass be that detailed? Are they etched by hand? Or is there some sort of air ablation system being used as the glass cools? Or are they using giant rail guns to fire projectiles into sand to artificially create moldavites :) ... jk. - Yinan On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gang, Yeah, this is not good news and let us hope that the ripple effects do not propagate widely into the collecting community. Hopefully going on the record here (and elsewhere) with the truth will at least mitigate the effects somewhat. I see that Jolly Rancher apple-green moldavite and I run the other way. Leon is indeed getting larger and let's hope the forgers don't make a pterodactyl or a brooch. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 8/1/11, tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com wrote: I've seen a lot of bad fakes on eBay. 98% of the time, the giveaway is the color -- the fakes are usually that horrible Jolly Rancher apple-green. Often the striations are nonexistent or poorly formed as well. Maybe 10% of the sellers have what appears to be authentic Moldavite material. The others are selling fakes; I suspect a lot of the woo-ish sellers are merely reselling the fakes that were palmed off on them without verification. The fakes are getting better, and Leon's getting LAGER!!! Best! Tracy Latimer From: veom...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:15:01 -0500 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New type of fake moldavite coming soon? My buddy Justin at The-Vug just put out a new article on Fakeminerals.com about a new type of fake moldavite that has been recently spotted in China: http://www.fakeminerals.com/?p=146 I'm not sure if this is the material people are already familiar with, or if it is indeed a new type, but it's impressive looking. - Yinan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Mars Rock Marquette Island
A real one! :-) - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:50 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Mars Rock Marquette Island List, Not sure if this posted here yet but, Does anybody know what type of new Mars rock this is? Thanks Carl http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/01/spirit-stops-roving-mars-as-opportunity-takes-time-to-drill.ars http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/4260521997/ Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite hunting in Western Australia
Museum??? I thought that the right place for those things was ebay. Scratch, scratch... AA - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite hunting in Western Australia Thanks for all the tips about Western Australian meteorites and tektites. I haven't answered most of the mails I got, I'm a bit sporadically connected to the net while on the road but I read all and appreciate them. I have taken your advice in consideration. Advices ranged from you are not allowed to touch them to Strange rocks are okay to collect... even from one of the staff of the Perth Museum. Put it in your pocket and don't tell anyone was his reply... and then he laughed, I've been in the desert all my life and I've never seen a meteorite. Good luck! I will still go east to see Kalgoorlie and the mining towns in the desert. I will hunt for some australites and see if I can find any good mineral collecting places. Dig for some gold and just have a nice time. If I happens to stumble onto a suspected meteorite then I have to decide if I just leave it or bring it back to the museum. So far none have been able to cite the law so all I have is advice... guess it all boils down to common sense. I have a GPS, extra batteries, zip lock bags and a pen to mark the bags. So if I happens to find a meteorite then I can take good care of it and deliver it to the museum. /Goran __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah
What? He doesn`t sell on ebay? It is lost to science, then. - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah http://www.localnews8.com/Global/story.asp?S=8245978nav=menu554_2_3 Idaho man gives meteorite to Utah Associated Press - April 29, 2008 6:25 PM ET SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A man who found a meteorite in Utah is giving it to the public. The 18-pound Gunlock Meteorite is the size of a bowling ball and now on display at the Utah Department of Natural Resources in Salt Lake City. Don Adair of Boise, Idaho, found it near Gunlock, a southern Utah town, in 1982. He says the black color made it stand out like a big bandage on a sore thumb. He sawed it in half and gave a portion to the American Museum of Natural History in New York. Adair recently decided to give the other half to Utah. Utah officials believe it could be billions of years old. Meteorites originate from comets, asteroids or other planets. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: meteorites not being able to
- Original Message - From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: meteorites not being able to If I understood well, the right thing to do with a new meteorite is to sell it in ebay! I prefer to say that a standard protocole must urgently be implemented by the authorities of each country, with the objective of properly mapping the strewfield, collecting and preserve all the material for serious scientific studies. I hate to see little turtles and coins made of meteorites, for sale. AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: meteorites not being able to We need only look to Peru to understand the expertise and efficiency that governments can bring to bear in order to secure critical scientific data. The carpetbaggers that plundered the site of the recent fall merely recorded locations, masses, eyewitness accounts, and such like. They did absolutely nothing to secure the all-important mud hole! Maybe they are not all bad, though. They did donate specimens to scientists that had real microscopes and ion probes and what not. Concerning the unknown they are losing, is that the known-unknown or the unknown-unknown? Paul Swartz Any scientific data that is lost to the country. Right now it might seem trivial, but just like antiquities, they are a non-renewable resource. That meteorite will never fall again. And in the future, knowing where strewnfields are, how they oriented, what class and quantity, could have some significant meaning. It's the unknown they are loosing. Mark Ferguson __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: meteorites not being able to
If I understood well, the right thing to do with a new meteorite is to sell it in ebay! I prefer to say that a standard protocole must urgently be implemented by the authorities of each country, with the objective of properly mapping the strewfield, collecting and preserve all the material for serious scientific studies. I hate to see little turtles and coins made of meteorites, for sale. AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: meteorites not being able to We need only look to Peru to understand the expertise and efficiency that governments can bring to bear in order to secure critical scientific data. The carpetbaggers that plundered the site of the recent fall merely recorded locations, masses, eyewitness accounts, and such like. They did absolutely nothing to secure the all-important mud hole! Maybe they are not all bad, though. They did donate specimens to scientists that had real microscopes and ion probes and what not. Concerning the unknown they are losing, is that the known-unknown or the unknown-unknown? Paul Swartz Any scientific data that is lost to the country. Right now it might seem trivial, but just like antiquities, they are a non-renewable resource. That meteorite will never fall again. And in the future, knowing where strewnfields are, how they oriented, what class and quantity, could have some significant meaning. It's the unknown they are loosing. Mark Ferguson __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites?
A comunist dealer??? :-) - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Futures Market for Meteorites? Wouldn't it be interesting if there was a futures market for meteorites? That would add some price stability... Heck no. No offense. But look at the stellar example that Wall Street provides - do we really want to model the meteorite market after a group of speculators whose ranks are swollen with people whose sole motivation is profit before integrity? As long as indictments are being handed down a weekly basis to Wall Street major players, I'd recommend we keep meteorites far away from profiteers in 3-piece suits whose sole interest is in the mighty dollar and not the magic of holding a space rock. While I agree that meteorites needs more consistency in their trade and pricing - modeling the market after Wall Street is not a good idea, IMO. Regards, MikeG [/high horse] ;) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall
Not for me, Doug. I don´t need translations, since my language is latin, too. That thing of the allien language was a joke towards the high intelectuality of many of the specialists.:-) Armando Afonso (no L, please) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] April 6, 2008 witnessed fall Hi Listees, No one mentioned this? Apparently the meteorite that was reported and fell Sunday night in Argentina is already confirmed by several pieces. This earlier article shows the location, and here is a translation of the foreign tongue for Alfonso: http://www.clarin.com/diario/2008/04/08/sociedad/s-01646156.htm Nearby [Entre Rios] is the locality of Berduc, where the agricultural engineer Gabriela Preto told of the recovery of various pieces of black rocks, as if burned, that when scratched expose a metallic and silvered interior. They can't be cut, nor scratched with the finger. They will be analyzed by Mariano Petter, the director of the Enterriana Association of Astronomy, who is investigating this in the area. Best wishes and Great Health, Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite?
Some sellers are famous for having in-built mass-spetrometers in their eyes. They know everything about petrography, mineralogy, crystalo-optics, you name it. Many have great scientific background, as selling hamburgers, or speaking alien languages, as spanish. Some can even say beer in german! Armed with that, it is easy for them do say from wich part of the universe came any stone you point them! :-) Armando - Original Message - From: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite? Because Adam Hupe, Greg Hupe, Mike Farmer, Dean Bussy, Ruben Garcia, Geoff Notkin, Steve Arnold #1, Moritz Karl, Martin Altman, etc. (the list goes on) said so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite? Dear List Member, I would like to hear your most convincing response to the layman's question, How do you know it's a meteorite? My best, Thomas You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Fall
Spain, right? - Original Message - From: Leigh Anne DelRay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Fall ha.. I love how McCartney makes it into a game.. congrats on your finds. -Leigh Anne --- mccartney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just returned from a new fall. It looked like everyone missed this fall, so I went. I spent 2 weeks down there hunting down stones, and canvasing the area house by house. Its mainly agricultural land and dominated by vineyards. Unfortunately, there is never plowing in vineyards, so no more stones will be found. (maybe 1 or 2 in the coming years) Most of my time was spent in public outreach and teaching people how to identify stones. TKW is 5 kg at this time. I recovered 2.3kg. Looks like an H4 or H5 Ordinary Chondrite. Conditions were not good for recovery, almost all stones punched into the soft ground 1/4 meters. Those stones that were recovered were because they hit near someone or hit a road. http://texasmeteoritelab.com/x/img_1241.jpg http://texasmeteoritelab.com/x/img_1299.jpg http://texasmeteoritelab.com/x/img_1257.jpg I've got to get my saw up and running and cut specimens in the next few days. I'll post more details later. Anyone want to guess which country the fall was in? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas crater
By the way, I have seen those milimetric holes on the surface of some sikhote refered as craters. Is that detail of terminology so important? - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas crater Hi Mike and List Members, To me, Carancas produced an impact pit which is a form of crater. I will concede the point that it is also a crater by other definitions, just not meteoritic. The Sikhote Alin event also produced several impact pits that were described as such further constraining the meteoritic definition of an impact crater. Here is a great reference site that clearly defines crater sizes of 5-20 meters as impact pits. Carancas only produced a 13 meter mud hole squarely defining it as a pit. http://www.somerikko.net/old/geo/imp/listinfo.htm Pretty soon, the Carancas impact pit it will be no more than a depression in the ground with urine, fecal matter and trash in it. Not to forget, a $90,000.00 roof will be added on top of a rotted out and the most common type of ordinary chondrite in existence at the bottom. All the best, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim loss/year
It rains a lot, in Ensisheim. - Original Message - From: PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim loss/year Roughly, considering the 70 kg figure, this leads to an average of 57 kg lost in 515 years, i.e. almost 500 g per year! A fortune! And how many kilos dissapear every year on sahara becouse of weathering ! How many kilos we change into dust becouse of cuting every year. We are barbarians :D -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Low altitude ed and green big bolide over Algarve, Portugal
Does anyone on the list knows something about the bolide reported yesterday in the south of Portugal? Refered was an angular altitude of the point of extinction of aprox. 15º , and west to east trajectory. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Low altitude ed and green big bolide over Algarve, Portugal
Bah! With this trajectory, probably it was only an other nwa ( no pedigree) flying to the desert. Someone have to teach this stones the right place to fall on. :) Armando - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Low altitude ed and green big bolide over Algarve, Portugal Ohhh, I would love a trip back to Portugal, very nice place, Albufiera was wonderful. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone on the list knows something about the bolide reported yesterday in the south of Portugal? Refered was an angular altitude of the point of extinction of aprox. 15º , and west to east trajectory. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation?
This is not terribly important, but why was this message delayed 31h? - Original Message - From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation? No atmosphere? Where did you hear that? - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation? Hi Everyone- Assuming Mars does not have an atmosphere and the pitting in this rover photo of a meteorite on Mars is from heat ablation... http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_opportunity_rock0120_1_02.jpgcap=Instruments+on+the+Opportunity+Mars+rover+were+used+to+determine+that+the+object+was+a+meteorite.+Image+Credit%3A+NASA%2FJPL Would this be possible without an atmosphere? Take care, stay cool. Thank you Mike Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation?
No atmosphere? Where did you hear that? - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation? Hi Everyone- Assuming Mars does not have an atmosphere and the pitting in this rover photo of a meteorite on Mars is from heat ablation... http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_opportunity_rock0120_1_02.jpgcap=Instruments+on+the+Opportunity+Mars+rover+were+used+to+determine+that+the+object+was+a+meteorite.+Image+Credit%3A+NASA%2FJPL Would this be possible without an atmosphere? Take care, stay cool. Thank you Mike Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Cali meteorite Hammerstone ending onebay soon
Hehe. After all, I love this guys! Maybe I should start collecting meteorites... - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Cali meteorite Hammerstone ending onebay soon Good for you Matteo, good for you. I did not know that the whole world needed to know your hatred for new falls. So when the next fake meteorite comes out of Italy, I know that I will be waiting to pounce on you, to trash you for selling for one cent more than $10.00 gram. You just said that a new fall is worth that price. Oh wait, $45.00 gram for Park Forest. I see You do not practice what you preach. Now leave me alone, butt out, you do not have a piece of Cali, and never will, so be quiet. Michael Farmer I have not mentioned your name for more than two monts, but you keep coming at me. The list can see who instigates this kind of crap. --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Cali meteorite Hammerstone ending on ebay soon Data : Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Quit crying, you sound like a jealous child. I was surprized it took you this long though. Michael Farmer jealous of what? Sinceraly of recent falls my interest is zero, only in few cases I have buy a piece of recent falls, seen my collection is now only for historical material and $1222/gr. I give max. for a piece of Vago or other super rare historical fall matteo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ok, all Cali meteorite pages are up.
Interesting report. Something maybe feasible could be the determination of the vector between the hole on the roof and the marks on the floor. This for each stone, and compare them with a 3d plot. Would they be paralel or radial? Would they focus? - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2007 7:01 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ok, all Cali meteorite pages are up. After about 18 hours of work, all pages are up and running. Tomorrow I will make corrections, and post links to all of the newspaper articles regarding the meteorite fall. There are a lot of them, but all in Spanish. I don't know why the english news never picked up on this one. Notkin? You busy oh god of press releases? http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/CALIcolombiafall.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/cali001.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/cali002.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/cali003.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/cali004.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/cali005.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/cali006.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/califall/cali007.htm If anyone finds any errors, please let me know, this is a boatload of work getting all these links and photos organized. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska wood section new Spanish eucrite
Why did I get the impression that a lot of NWAs are getting some imaginative, sexy labelings latelly ? - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska wood section new Spanish eucrite it is type Bassikouno only 1.5 kg. tkw and now is arrive to over 80 kg.? Matteo - Original Message - Da : Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska wood section new Spanish eucrite Data : Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:11:37 -0400 On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:48:36 +0200, you wrote: Jip, so far that is the total mass found. Maybe in the near future they will find some more. But for now that is officially all of it. Any info on the circumstances of finding those fragments? Seems amazing, to me, to be able to find 24g divided into 5 fragments, in the huge area over which a witnessed fall can land. Did somebody actually see these fragments land? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nasa, CAMPO DEL CIELO
Wrong story, excuse me. http://axxon.com.ar/not/155/c-1550270.htm - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ZZ ML Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nasa, CAMPO DEL CIELO This is a pretty pathetic story. It says that NASA wants to preserve the invaluble Campo del Cielo craters because the soil is very similar to the soil of the Martian surface. We will never understand Mars unless we preserve the craters at Campo del Cielo and study them. Um..., I am not a scientist, but somehow I do not think that the farmland and swamps at Campo is in any way similar to the surface of Mars, and weathered craters that are virtually non-existant at Campo del Cielo will in no way have anything at all to do with Mars study. It also states that Campo sells for $3.00 gram on the internet, so we can thus assume anyone who owns a campo is now a multi-millionaire To me the article is not that interesting since it is so full of idiotic statements like that. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://axxon.com.ar/not/156/c-1560334.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nasa, CAMPO DEL CIELO
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists - stamp collection
By the way, What is the interest of the meteorites to the average collector? They are simply nice or interesting, isn`t it? Like a collection of stamps? Most of the real interest of this materials relates to statistics of chemical and isotopical composition and other arid informations, of no interest to a linguistic student or a plumber, I believe. And nothing of that information can be extracted from cleaned and oiled specimens. I have myself a few common meteorites as a complement of a systematic mineral collection, to represent the native elements namely, but I don`t see the interest of keeping a specimen with features that I can not appreciate or put in evidence for some objective purpose. For that reason, a very rare meteorite would be a waste in my collection. A serious protocol is needed to collect and store this materials, if the specimen value is to be preserved. Regards. AA Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists Don't forget there are actually LOTS of Antarctic meteorites! I'd say those figures are pretty good considering most (though not all) NWA's are usually quite weathered, and off a bit less science value than the pristine ones collected on ice... That's probably why the statistics show non NWA's are under represented in literature. I doubt it's because NWA's are too expensive to work on. Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Grossman Sent: 17 April 2007 01:42 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists At 06:29 PM 4/16/2007, ensoramanda wrote: So if science is losing important material for study to dealers/hunters/collectors of NWA's, why dont we hear much about all the amazing research that must be coming out of the thousands of meteorites from Antarctica? !!! Science has exclusive use of these but I never seem to hear much exciting news about them...or am I just not looking in the right place? Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK You are looking in the wrong place. Far more important research results have been coming from the Antarctic meteorites than from hot desert meteorites. I did a quick count of meteorites used in studies published in both major meteoritics and cosmochemistry journals in 2006. Each tally means one meteorite mentioned in one paper (if the same meteorite is mentioned in 6 papers, it counts for 6). Here are the results: Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta: Saharan+Oman meteorites: 22 Antarctic meteorites: 62 Non-Antarctic/non-saharan meteorites: 109 plus one paper with 50. In Meteoritics and Planetary Science: Saharan+Oman meteorites: 10 Antarctic meteorites: 80 plus one paper with many. Non-Antarctic/non-saharan meteorites: 106 plus one paper with many. The real question is, why are hot desert meteorites so miserably UNDER-represented in the literature. I think there are several answers, and there are probably many more: 1) Falls are often the most valuable samples for research due to lack of weathering. 2) Research specimens of hot desert meteorites tend to be very small. 3) Hot desert meteorite are not well distributed in the research collections of the world (especially in the US), and are much harder for scientists to obtain. 4) All of the major Antarctic collections are well curated and have formal procedures in place for obtaining samples. 5) Hot desert meteorite collections are useless for the study of irons. Jeff Greg Hupe wrote: Hi Darren, Mike and List, I couldn't have said it better myself! It takes a huge investment to limp away from Morocco with a planetary or other rare meteorite these days. I would have said walk away, but after having to give up your right arm, left leg, first born, etc. to get one of these. Well, you get the idea! Happy collecting! Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite smugglers anger scientists The Moroccans are smarter now than most collectors. You will not get a lunar or Martian meteorite cheap there now. 90% of them can recognize one in a second. Don't feel too sorry for most of the Moroccans, they make much more money than most of us dealers who pay nearly retail for the material IN MOROCCO, and they live quite well off of the meteorites. It has greatly impacted the financial well-being of most of them involved in the meteorite trade. I mean come on, now they get tens of thousands of $$$ for a black rock they picked up in the sand. How often does that happen to someone in Germany or
Re: [meteorite-list] Freedom of speech!!!!
For who? - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Freedom of speech --- matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is for our interest to have better admin/moderator. This will for sure make this list better NOoOOoo! I'm sorry, I take it all back! I've created a monster. We meteorite collectors are, apparently, theives and pirates. We know this because of the freedom the list provides. I think that if we all just try to consider what we say before we say it, act resposibly and accept responsibility for when we cause offence, offer proper apologies for when we act like complete dufus's...do we need some totalitarian moderator? We're supposed to be grown ups. I think the problem is that we like all like to act like kids from time to time. I know I sound like a hypocrite by saying this after what I said recently but I defend the rights of people to say what they feel and respond. You all know what I mean and we all know when the line is crossed. Despite our different backgrounds and cultures, we all have the same sense of decency. Rob McC Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime
Hi Martin. You are nearly to be erradicated from the list, acused of beeing a comunist... Each time I spoke against this and others scientific uses of meteorites I was insulted by the pirates. I warned you. AA - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Thaddeus Besedin' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes oftime Hi Thaddeus, what are your suggestions to improve those circumstances? For me personally, it would be interesting, how many of the list members opine, that meteorites shouldn't be objects of commerce. Can somebody set up a poll? Martin Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Thaddeus Besedin Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. März 2007 07:38 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] meteorite coins and other ridiculous wastes of time List, Do we need Franklin Mint-esque coins to hype the insuperable wonder of actual meteoritic material free of made-to-order home shopping network (no trademark) gimmick? These rank amongst the greatest achievements of Mike Farmer, capitalist of little self-control and imagination. Give us rocks, and that's it: you sell rocks. Collectors can become humorously obsessive when all reference to our target interests are accepted. Coins will distract from oxidation, reduction, recrystallization, and chondrules. -Thaddeus Besedin It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites - NWA 2826
That is something that could be confused with porphyritic texture. Very interesting. AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 12:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites - NWA 2826 Hello Jim, John, Marcin and List, http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaneySprings/ http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA2826LL5.htm No matter what it is: fusion crust, impact melt, darker material, one thing is sure: It's one stunning LL5 chondrite with gorgeous crust and beautiful, well-developed thumbprints! John is such an experienced observer and photographer of meteoritic details that I have no problems joining his assessment: it does indeed look like matrix material surrrounded by fusion crust melt! Thanks for sharing ! Bernd P.S.: Marcin still has a few slices for sale but if you should have fallen in love with the 132 gram crusted fragment - too late because I have just bought it ;-) http://www.polandmet.com/_nwa2826.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] PolandMET page update [AD]
Excellent site. Congratulations. AA - Original Message - From: PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 7:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] PolandMET page update [AD] Hello List Members. I have put new material on my page www.PolandMET.com CANYON DIABLO GRAPHITE NODULES [IAB] - slices from 1400g specimen DHOFAR 007 [AEUC] - two new large slices NWA4560 [LL3.7] - new big full slices JUANCHENG [H5] - Fall from China. Slices and specimens with brecciation. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites
porphyritic? Are you sure? The meteorites cool down in a single stage, I believe. AA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites GENGE M.J. and GRADY M. (1999) The fusion crusts of stony meteorites: implications for the atmospheric reprocessing of extra- terrestrial materials (MAPS 34-3, 1999, 341-356): a) Fusion crusts develop on *all* meteorites during their passage of the atmosphere ... b) Most chondrite fusion crusts are porphyritic and dominated by olivine, glass and accessory magnetite whereas those of the achondrites are mainly glassy. c) Chondrite fusion crusts contain sulphide droplets with high-Ni contents (55 wt%). d) The partially melted substrate of OCs, underlying the outer melted crusts, are dominated by silicate glass and composite metal, sulphide and Cr-bearing Fe-oxide droplets that form as coexisting immiscible liquids. e) Enstatite chondrite substrates contain Cr- and Mn- bearing sulphides. f) The substrates of the CCs comprise a sulphide-enriched layer of matrix. The compositions of melted crusts are similar to those of the bulk meteorite. Differences from whole rock, however, suggest that three main processes control their chemical evolution: 1) the loss and reaction of immiscible Fe-rich liquids, 2) mixing between substrate partial melts and bulk melts of the melted crust, 3) the loss of volatile components by evaporation and degassing. Conclusions, p. 356: The fusion crusts of stony meteorites exhibit considerable variation with meteorite type and compositions and textures that are largely dependent on the bulk chemical and mineralogical properties of the meteorite. Four processes are important in the chemical evolution of fusion crusts: 1) the separation and reaction of Fe-rich sulphide, metal, and oxide liquids, 2) reaction with atmospheric O, 3) mixing of incompatible element-rich partial melts from the substrate with bulk melted crust liquid, 4) the loss of volatile elements by e v a p o r a t i o n and d e g a s s i n g. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust
Of course it is fusion crust. We agree on something, finally. I only wanted to underline that question of the material beeing the same or not. Magnetite is a diferent substance, resulting of the combination with the atmosphere, and much harder than the Iron from where it came. Speaking of fake crusts on chondrites (since it can be done easily with a blowpipe) I am sure that some enterpreneur already sold one or two... To coat of magnetite an iron meteorite, is a bit more dificult to produce in the garage. Perhaps someone on the list could tell us something interesting about this. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust Crus is crust, soft, hard, it doesnt matter. It is a crust of material caused to be on the surface of the object by fusion. Why would iron fusion crut not be different than that of stones? Of course it is chemically different. You know, you can remove the fusion crust on some stones easily as well, so what if most of the crust on irons is softer, and can fake off easily. The subsurface is smooth, and much more difficult for the crust to adhere to. Go to Vienna and check out Cabin Creek, 100% blue-black fusion crust on the most beautiful iron fall I have ever seen. It is not rust, nothing but a crust caused by intense burning in the atmosphere. You can debate over the chemical composition of the heat altered layer on the surface of irons all you want, but it is fusion crust. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, you get a vitrification of the silicates, with some inclusion of reduced iron, eventually coming from the pyroxenes or olivine, giving it the dark tone. Anyway, we are really speaking of diferent and new minerals. Normally that crust is harder than the meteorite in itself. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust But made from the matrix component. burned material from the parent body, regardless of how it is chemically changed, same as the fusion crust on any meteorite. Take a Eucrite like Stannern for example, white interior, yet the fusion crust is glossy black. That is not soot, it is chemically altered matrix. Nothing more. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, it is a diferent material... The external fusion crust of iron meteorites is Magnetite, the result of the combination with the air`s oxygene. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust This is simple. Fusion, the result of material burning at extreme temeratures, and crust, the layer on the surface that was not there before re-entry. Thus, FUSION CRUST It is quite obvious that the surface of a freshly fallen iron, with the blue-black coating is a FUSION CRUST. It generally can't be wiped off. I have pieces in my collection, Bugoslava for example, with a .5 mm layer of blue-black fusion crust, that survived cutting and polishing of the meteorite, so it is not exacly soot. Of course the crust is the same as the parent material, even on stones. How could it be of a different material? How could an object, falling through the atmosphere, get coated with anything but it's own matrix as it burns? Yes, the silicates can be altered due to heating, while irons tend not to chemically alter. Elton, I think you are about the only one in the world that thinks fresh fallen iron meteorites do not have fusion crust. Michael Farmer --- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The soot coating you are talking about is mostly freshly created magnetite (micro /nano crystals) from the oxidation of iron whilst passing through the incandescent phase. It adheres by magnetism and can be wiped off with rough handling. There is probably a carbon component however graphite turns to carbon dioxide upon burning There are several other terms for the zone associated with ablation heating, one of which is in the literature: zone of thermal alteration. When there is an oxidation coat . native elements such as found on sodium or phosphorus it is sometimes called a rind. This is what I favor to describe the coatings on irons--the one before terrestrial oxidation also known as rust. In my view there can
Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust
In that case, you get a vitrification of the silicates, with some inclusion of reduced iron, eventually coming from the pyroxenes or olivine, giving it the dark tone. Anyway, we are really speaking of diferent and new minerals. Normally that crust is harder than the meteorite in itself. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust But made from the matrix component. burned material from the parent body, regardless of how it is chemically changed, same as the fusion crust on any meteorite. Take a Eucrite like Stannern for example, white interior, yet the fusion crust is glossy black. That is not soot, it is chemically altered matrix. Nothing more. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, it is a diferent material... The external fusion crust of iron meteorites is Magnetite, the result of the combination with the air`s oxygene. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust This is simple. Fusion, the result of material burning at extreme temeratures, and crust, the layer on the surface that was not there before re-entry. Thus, FUSION CRUST It is quite obvious that the surface of a freshly fallen iron, with the blue-black coating is a FUSION CRUST. It generally can't be wiped off. I have pieces in my collection, Bugoslava for example, with a .5 mm layer of blue-black fusion crust, that survived cutting and polishing of the meteorite, so it is not exacly soot. Of course the crust is the same as the parent material, even on stones. How could it be of a different material? How could an object, falling through the atmosphere, get coated with anything but it's own matrix as it burns? Yes, the silicates can be altered due to heating, while irons tend not to chemically alter. Elton, I think you are about the only one in the world that thinks fresh fallen iron meteorites do not have fusion crust. Michael Farmer --- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The soot coating you are talking about is mostly freshly created magnetite (micro /nano crystals) from the oxidation of iron whilst passing through the incandescent phase. It adheres by magnetism and can be wiped off with rough handling. There is probably a carbon component however graphite turns to carbon dioxide upon burning There are several other terms for the zone associated with ablation heating, one of which is in the literature: zone of thermal alteration. When there is an oxidation coat . native elements such as found on sodium or phosphorus it is sometimes called a rind. This is what I favor to describe the coatings on irons--the one before terrestrial oxidation also known as rust. In my view there can be no crust when the chemical and physical characteristics of the surface do not differ from the donor material. That lets the door open for irons having crust and at least most agree that it is unlike the fusion crust of stoney meteorites. While at the Smithsonian inspecting the collection up close and personally, I was advised to use caution in examining a fresh iron as the coating would rub off easily. They didn't call it fusion crust but the issue never came up. The point being, not everyone is in agreement nor is there universal usage. Critical analysis on the assumptions about fusion crust on irons would likely lead to a more descriptive table of composition and relate that to the metallurgy and chemical composition of the meteorite itself. In fact I believe research on crustal petrology would be reveling for all types of meteorites. I yet wonder why some lunarites have a brown bubbly crust. The crust of a iron meteorite on Mars will be different from one here and I'd like to know what to expect and why. Intuitively, I know there would be rare minerals such as nickel oxides,nitrates, phosphates perhaps even a sulphide and yes even O3 and O4 silicates. However current wisdom is that crust is crust ego no research needs to be contemplated-NOT. Some of the oft quoted god status experts who write of fusion crust on irons monitor this list and have remained curiously silent on the topic. I hope this topic is thought provoking for all parties. I suppose that the use of the term fusion crust universally with respect to irons is acceptable if one doesn't have a need for technical accuracy. One thing yet to be refuted here on the list
Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust
In that case, you get a vitrification of the silicates, with some inclusion of reduced iron, eventually coming from the pyroxenes or olivine, giving it the dark tone. Anyway, we are really speaking of diferent and new minerals. Normally that crust is harder than the meteorite in itself. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust But made from the matrix component. burned material from the parent body, regardless of how it is chemically changed, same as the fusion crust on any meteorite. Take a Eucrite like Stannern for example, white interior, yet the fusion crust is glossy black. That is not soot, it is chemically altered matrix. Nothing more. Michael Farmer --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obviously, it is a diferent material... The external fusion crust of iron meteorites is Magnetite, the result of the combination with the air`s oxygene. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust This is simple. Fusion, the result of material burning at extreme temeratures, and crust, the layer on the surface that was not there before re-entry. Thus, FUSION CRUST It is quite obvious that the surface of a freshly fallen iron, with the blue-black coating is a FUSION CRUST. It generally can't be wiped off. I have pieces in my collection, Bugoslava for example, with a .5 mm layer of blue-black fusion crust, that survived cutting and polishing of the meteorite, so it is not exacly soot. Of course the crust is the same as the parent material, even on stones. How could it be of a different material? How could an object, falling through the atmosphere, get coated with anything but it's own matrix as it burns? Yes, the silicates can be altered due to heating, while irons tend not to chemically alter. Elton, I think you are about the only one in the world that thinks fresh fallen iron meteorites do not have fusion crust. Michael Farmer --- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The soot coating you are talking about is mostly freshly created magnetite (micro /nano crystals) from the oxidation of iron whilst passing through the incandescent phase. It adheres by magnetism and can be wiped off with rough handling. There is probably a carbon component however graphite turns to carbon dioxide upon burning There are several other terms for the zone associated with ablation heating, one of which is in the literature: zone of thermal alteration. When there is an oxidation coat . native elements such as found on sodium or phosphorus it is sometimes called a rind. This is what I favor to describe the coatings on irons--the one before terrestrial oxidation also known as rust. In my view there can be no crust when the chemical and physical characteristics of the surface do not differ from the donor material. That lets the door open for irons having crust and at least most agree that it is unlike the fusion crust of stoney meteorites. While at the Smithsonian inspecting the collection up close and personally, I was advised to use caution in examining a fresh iron as the coating would rub off easily. They didn't call it fusion crust but the issue never came up. The point being, not everyone is in agreement nor is there universal usage. Critical analysis on the assumptions about fusion crust on irons would likely lead to a more descriptive table of composition and relate that to the metallurgy and chemical composition of the meteorite itself. In fact I believe research on crustal petrology would be reveling for all types of meteorites. I yet wonder why some lunarites have a brown bubbly crust. The crust of a iron meteorite on Mars will be different from one here and I'd like to know what to expect and why. Intuitively, I know there would be rare minerals such as nickel oxides,nitrates, phosphates perhaps even a sulphide and yes even O3 and O4 silicates. However current wisdom is that crust is crust ego no research needs to be contemplated-NOT. Some of the oft quoted god status experts who write of fusion crust on irons monitor this list and have remained curiously silent on the topic. I hope this topic is thought provoking for all parties. I suppose that the use of the term fusion crust universally with respect to irons is acceptable if one doesn't have a need for technical accuracy. One thing yet to be refuted here on the list
Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust
Obviously, it is a diferent material... The external fusion crust of iron meteorites is Magnetite, the result of the combination with the air`s oxygene. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] a question on fusion crust This is simple. Fusion, the result of material burning at extreme temeratures, and crust, the layer on the surface that was not there before re-entry. Thus, FUSION CRUST It is quite obvious that the surface of a freshly fallen iron, with the blue-black coating is a FUSION CRUST. It generally can't be wiped off. I have pieces in my collection, Bugoslava for example, with a .5 mm layer of blue-black fusion crust, that survived cutting and polishing of the meteorite, so it is not exacly soot. Of course the crust is the same as the parent material, even on stones. How could it be of a different material? How could an object, falling through the atmosphere, get coated with anything but it's own matrix as it burns? Yes, the silicates can be altered due to heating, while irons tend not to chemically alter. Elton, I think you are about the only one in the world that thinks fresh fallen iron meteorites do not have fusion crust. Michael Farmer --- Mr EMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The soot coating you are talking about is mostly freshly created magnetite (micro /nano crystals) from the oxidation of iron whilst passing through the incandescent phase. It adheres by magnetism and can be wiped off with rough handling. There is probably a carbon component however graphite turns to carbon dioxide upon burning There are several other terms for the zone associated with ablation heating, one of which is in the literature: zone of thermal alteration. When there is an oxidation coat . native elements such as found on sodium or phosphorus it is sometimes called a rind. This is what I favor to describe the coatings on irons--the one before terrestrial oxidation also known as rust. In my view there can be no crust when the chemical and physical characteristics of the surface do not differ from the donor material. That lets the door open for irons having crust and at least most agree that it is unlike the fusion crust of stoney meteorites. While at the Smithsonian inspecting the collection up close and personally, I was advised to use caution in examining a fresh iron as the coating would rub off easily. They didn't call it fusion crust but the issue never came up. The point being, not everyone is in agreement nor is there universal usage. Critical analysis on the assumptions about fusion crust on irons would likely lead to a more descriptive table of composition and relate that to the metallurgy and chemical composition of the meteorite itself. In fact I believe research on crustal petrology would be reveling for all types of meteorites. I yet wonder why some lunarites have a brown bubbly crust. The crust of a iron meteorite on Mars will be different from one here and I'd like to know what to expect and why. Intuitively, I know there would be rare minerals such as nickel oxides,nitrates, phosphates perhaps even a sulphide and yes even O3 and O4 silicates. However current wisdom is that crust is crust ego no research needs to be contemplated-NOT. Some of the oft quoted god status experts who write of fusion crust on irons monitor this list and have remained curiously silent on the topic. I hope this topic is thought provoking for all parties. I suppose that the use of the term fusion crust universally with respect to irons is acceptable if one doesn't have a need for technical accuracy. One thing yet to be refuted here on the list is that the crust on irons is not composed of glass. Elton --- Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, Are you ready for a dumb question! Here goes... Is there a more definitive description of the blackened outer layer on the surface of iron meteorites than simply referring to it as fusion crust? From what I can gather looking at different pictures of stonys, they seem to have a glassy or melted layer of the material of the stone. I can see that being a 'crust'. On at least some irons, there is a coating but it doesn't appear glassy, just blackened. I'm guessing that that coating is partially resulting from burning of the gases in the atmosphere? If it is a 'crust', it is not much of one. It looks like a very thin coating of soot that is adhered to the stone, although more durable than soot. This is probably one of those dumb questions that the Collection of Wisdom would answer. The stone in this picture has the blackened layer I'm referring to: http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p124/mmurray_02/IMG_0319.jpg
[meteorite-list] Fw: all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory
- Original Message - From: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ingo Herkstroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory Hi Ingo, You are right, the message was perhaps too strong. I probably would take one or two words from it, now. Patience. But I still remember the insults that I received when the discussion was with me. Many of this so-called meteorite hunters are not far from criminals (at least from a moral perspective), simply taking advantage of the absence of specific legislation in most of the countries, and people`s naivety. Call it enterpreneurs attitude, if you prefer. Some of them were selling hamburguers, or plumbing, before entering into their new scientific activity... I am sorry if I do not simpatize with them. I must add that obviously SOME of them too are great people, with an honest interest and real knowledge on the subject. Those would have much more to say in list than the usual stars. Regards. AA - Original Message - From: Ingo Herkstroeter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Armando Afonso' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:46 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory Hi Armando! I think like you in a way! Many dealers, who are part of this list, do look at meteorites only in a profit oriented way. They are not really interested in the material and its scientific importance. The list is only a big publicity place for them, nothing more. The cut the material into crumbs and tell they would serve the science and so on. They see the list as a place for personal fights and not as a place to let knowledge growth! I'm pissed of this behaviour and I know a lot of list members (like you and many more) too! Armando, please don't go down to their level and attack someone personally, like you have done in the mail below. This should not be our way! Try to make your protest in a smarter way Best Wishes! Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Armando Afonso Gesendet: Samstag, 10. März 2007 23:12 An: Michael L Blood; Michael Farmer; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re ThreatsfromMr Gregory Dear friends, From time to time, I take the time and patience to read what is happening in this list. Invariably, Mike Farmer is exchanging insults with someone... If this list was something near neutrality, this gentleman would have been banned long, long ago... Anyway, from a certain distance, this fights can be very amusing, too. Pitty that the only interest of the meteorites for this guys is the potential profit, nothing else. Apart from his predator attitude, arrogance, irritability and scientific ignorance, what are his atributes? AA - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re Threats fromMr Gregory on 3/10/07 8:11 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List members, this man is now making threats to my home and family.. Read this and tell me.. -- Dear Mike and all, Mike, would it help if you KNEW that NO ONE on the list wanted to read ANY of the posts about issues you and this fellow have with one another? If you knew that would you then spare us hearing about it??? I experience you as a fairly intelligent fellow, so, please, PLEASE pay attention: -- I suggest EVERYONE on the list think very carefully and decide if they want to hear about this dispute between Mike and this fellow. If even ONE list member WANTS to hear about it, please post to the list your opinion to this effect. - Mike - if NO ONE responds, perhaps you could leave your emotions in check for just a moment, fall back on your ample intelligence and keep any communications with this fellow strictly between you and him, as clearly, out of the hundreds of list members you will have heard for yourself that NOT ONE of the list members wants to hear about it. Sincerely, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How to display Your collection ? PolandMET idea !
Very interesting, Marcin! Thanks for share it with us. My only criticism goes to the bright color of the labels. Regards. AA - Original Message - From: PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 6:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] How to display Your collection ? PolandMET idea ! Hi Tooday I finished my little display stand for my new private meteorite collection, so I want to show You my idea. First, I must explain that I have stop collecting small specimens some time ago. I have from old days around 70 meteorite specimens from a miligrams to 10-20g hiddend into small boxes 58x38x17mm and stored in palets in chet in my room. This specimens have for me historical value becouse several of this pieces are my first meteorite specimens. But in fact this kind of collection is a vaste of material, money and place, becouse this specimens are too small to display for example on wall or to show to normall peoples. Noone will take this kind of collecting seroiously if I will show him for example very rare and importand Orguel 3mm wide or other specimens in size from 5mm to 2cm wide. Ofcourse everyone collecting what he like. I decided that this small pieces make only my collection larger on my specimens inventory list, but not show any educational value to me or to anyone who invite me. Thats why I will sell most of them. I decided to collect less specimens but in size that will fit to my larger acrylic boxes 84x59x24 mm. This gives me chance to own good size specimens that I can display in my room in secured boxes. Yes, display, but how ??? And here comes my idea that I have planned and realized from around 3 months. Project changed several times, sometimes becouse of a costs of some parts, and sometimes becouse I cant find elements that I needed. I usually doing things without any detailed plan. So usually final project is much different from first one. Project: This is 100x100cm big wall stand for 150 meteorite boxes. Main element is 1mm thin aluminum plate with perforation Rv5-8 that help to put all elements together precise in place and make project visualy more hi-tech. It is mounted on a 4mm white ply-wood plate and conected with aluminium plate using aluminium U type profile. Most importand part of my project is 150x 20mm wide neodynum magnets that holds on place meteorite boxes. Boxes with meteorites have small 1mm thin iron plate on bottom side, under layers of sponge. This is good becouse boxes can be takeed from my stand very easy, but they still sit on place using force beetween magnets and iron plate. This stand, when will be full, then will corelate with my mega poster of Sahara meteorites composed from reference cards from Sahara Meteorite Prospecting CD-Rom. From left will be photos and classifications of many Sahara finds, and from right my collection of real specimens that anyone can watch and touch. Comments welcome :) Marcin Cimala Photos: Just history, my old stand, too small, too simply, too ugly http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/IMG_0076.JPG Most importand part of my room, just after my computer place :) http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/IMG_0077.JPG My new stand http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/IMG_0078.JPG http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/IMG_0083.JPG Close-up http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/IMG_0087.JPG http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/IMG_0091.JPG -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re Threats fromMr Gregory
Dear friends, From time to time, I take the time and patience to read what is happening in this list. Invariably, Mike Farmer is exchanging insults with someone... If this list was something near neutrality, this gentleman would have been banned long, long ago... Anyway, from a certain distance, this fights can be very amusing, too. Pitty that the only interest of the meteorites for this guys is the potential profit, nothing else. Apart from his predator attitude, arrogance, irritability and scientific ignorance, what are his atributes? AA - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] all List members Mike re Threats fromMr Gregory on 3/10/07 8:11 AM, Michael Farmer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: List members, this man is now making threats to my home and family.. Read this and tell me.. -- Dear Mike and all, Mike, would it help if you KNEW that NO ONE on the list wanted to read ANY of the posts about issues you and this fellow have with one another? If you knew that would you then spare us hearing about it??? I experience you as a fairly intelligent fellow, so, please, PLEASE pay attention: -- I suggest EVERYONE on the list think very carefully and decide if they want to hear about this dispute between Mike and this fellow. If even ONE list member WANTS to hear about it, please post to the list your opinion to this effect. - Mike - if NO ONE responds, perhaps you could leave your emotions in check for just a moment, fall back on your ample intelligence and keep any communications with this fellow strictly between you and him, as clearly, out of the hundreds of list members you will have heard for yourself that NOT ONE of the list members wants to hear about it. Sincerely, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Orleans
New preparation technique: hammering! - Original Message - From: Bruce Yankewitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Orleans Seems to me that virtually all of the New Orleans meteorite to reach the collector market has been in almost indentical, crumb-sized pieces. Anyone know why this is so? Bruce _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more..then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1FORM=MGAC01 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco
Hehe... Any doubts about meteorite classification can be easily solved contacting Michael Farmer... He knows nothing about petrography, mineralogy, never heard about isotopes, but can identify anything by sight! The only side effect is the resulting thousands of insults and fisical menaces, but it is so funny... AA - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco and if this is a lunar meteorite I am Mother Teresa of Calcutta Matteo --- adrar fossile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: there all members of list . i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , so in the link below are some wonder pieces if some one like them can contact me , in the adress email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html good health to all list , Mohamed ait ouzrou - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco
Hehe... Any doubts about meteorite classification can be easily solved contacting Michael Farmer... He knows nothing about petrography, mineralogy, never heard about isotopes, but can identify anything by sight! The only side effect is the resulting thousands of insults and fisical menaces, but it is so funny... AA - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco and if this is a lunar meteorite I am Mother Teresa of Calcutta Matteo --- adrar fossile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: there all members of list . i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , so in the link below are some wonder pieces if some one like them can contact me , in the adress email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html good health to all list , Mohamed ait ouzrou - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey
After all, they are more civilized than I thought... - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Caillou Noir [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey One reason would be that Turkey might in fact be the most dangerous country in the world to remove a meteorite from. Turkey has extreme laws about removal of ANYTHING! People I know say that at the airports there are warnings about removing even a pebble or sea shell. Jail sentances are handed down for people caught at the airport removing pieces of cultural treasures and I think that they might not like their newest meteorite fall leaving the country in a carry-on. I am going to pass on this one! Michael farmer --- Fred Caillou Noir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Bjorn and List, I agree with Bjorn, watching the pictures on the article there is no doubt that this is a stony meteorite and I would even risk a speculation that with the fair grey chips it looks like another LL6... OK, I know, one should wait until it is analysed of course! ;o)) Good luck to hunters who will make the trip to Turkey! Best wishes, Fred Lyon, France - Original Message - From: Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey List. Hey, what's the matter with YOU Lot! There is A NEW FALL in Turkey is there NOT?! Why no dicussion frenzy? Why are you not SCRAMBLING to go there?! I'm shure MIKE is?! Looking at the pictures in the article, I can definitly say is a stony meteorite, no doubt about it I would say... (The only doubt is how much carbon it contains - haha!) Any more information about this fall? Links? I'm shure there must be more stones on the ground... Personally I heard a bang from above at 15:25 in the afternoon on that very day here in Norway(?). I even wrote it down in my notebook to check it later. Forgot about it untill today! Other norwegians have noted strong meteors going north to south about this time it now seems... Regards, Bjørn Sørheim From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2007-02-03 03:41:09 CET To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite lands in Didim http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=477 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new thread - How to tell if you are 12stepping up, number #13
#14-You say that you found those stones on the beach - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new thread - How to tell if you are 12stepping up, number #13 How to tell if you are 12 stepping up http://www.meteorman.org/Meteorite_Creed.htm How many more can be added # 13 -You hide emails form your wife which detail meteorite purchases and payments. - Original Message - From: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 5:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new thread - how to tell if you are stepping up Me too. 8 out of 10. And... -You hide emails form your wife which detail meteorite purchases and payments. -Your ebay watch list exceeds 50 Cheers! tett __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Guessing Contest?
Paving stone - basalt from the local quarry! AA - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Guessing Contest? Martin, I concur, Eucrite. dirk ross..Tokyo --- Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Looks like we have another opportunity for a classification contest. Based upon the early photos, it sure looks like the glossy Ca-rich fusion crust of a Eucrite, with my more specific guess (hard to tell since the photo is small) of a polymict fragmental breccia with dominantly plagioclase and pyroxene clasts set into a fine-grained matrix of zoned orthopyroxene. My guess on the TKW is under 200g! What's that based upon? Well, it looks like the other fragments found are too weathered to be from this fall, and are likely from this planet (if you catch my drift). Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game
Shhh... You must buy it from the natives at the maximum of 0.50$/g. At the airport, if someone asks, the stones are souvenirs, catched at the beach. AA - Original Message - From: Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Martin Altmann' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:35 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game Bahhh, the market is in ruin. 199.95$/g -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Martin Altmann Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2006 00:32 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Jim Strope' Betreff: AW: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game 17 Stones will have been recovered, Total weight 11,430 grams. Next category would be to guess the price 200$/g ? -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jim Strope Gesendet: Mittwoch, 19. Juli 2006 00:27 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game My guesses: CO3 of course 3169 grams TKW Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite classification guessing game On 7/17/06, Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is a large area and I predict many stones will be found. Great idea Mike whether you know it or not. New challenge for everyone to play: Guess the Total recovered weight of this fall. Absolute closest to the first published number wins (unless one of you wiser members out there has a better idea). I'll start. My guess is 2345.67 grams. Robert, can you keep track of this game as well? Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite fallingonFriday!
What? They didn`t sell it? AA - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite fallingonFriday! Finally, an English artilce: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1390361.ece __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Matteo
Well done, Italy. AA - Portugal (Sniff!) - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Matteo Thanksfinaly after 24 years the cup its return to Italysorry for France but Zidane its a very inaccurate gambler. Matteo --- Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ..on your country winning the championship. Mike Groetz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose theinterior
Hi. Thanks for a great humouristic intervention. Then, Virgin Mary is a kind of CAI? I bought a Sikhote with wings...I am looking at it with diferent eyes, now. Tonight, I will check if it glows in the dark. And there are Kriptonite meteorites, too. What a mess, upstairs. AA And I have even found some with a good amount of visible chondrules, impact features and one that had an image of The Virgin Mary inside :). - Original Message - From: Walter L. Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Uncut NWA's - Does the exterior disclose theinterior It's almost holiday, list folk. I'll be good today and actually ask a meteorite question instead of playing devil's advocate about feedback and dealers. You see a lot of ads for uncut NWA's in bulk lots. I have even purchased a few of these and I do have fun discovering what may be inside. And I have even found some with a good amount of visible chondrules, impact features and one that had an image of The Virgin Mary inside :). But I have been collecting things for a LONG time, and I know, at least in other hobbies, that bulk items can be cherry picked way before it gets to you. Is that the same with uncut bulk lots of meteorites. And if so, how can you tell from the exterior what might be in the interior. I would find it hard to believe that anyone would purchase at bulk wholesale prices and simply pass the items on to a buyer with only a mark up on the cost without taking a minute to make sure he/she is not passing on the next Mars visitor. Or... Oops, didn't catch those 20 pieces of L3's in my last lot, my bad I'm not trying to be smarmy here, but business is business. So, my main question is this; What can you tell about the possible composition of a meteorite by looking at the surface? And I'm not talking about some pieces I've seen where the chondule is practically poking out on the surface like a wart. Any help on this? Walter L. Newton Golden, Co __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] fossil meteorites from Arkansas?
Hi all I would like to know if some of you heard about fossil meteorites from a place called Arkansas Lime in Batesville, Arkansas. By curiousity, I just bought one at e-bay. I didn´t receive it yet. Honestly I think that this is only a fragment of a limonitised Pyrite fossil, but I would welcome some input on the subject. Warm regards to all. Armando Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] norwegian fall
Did someone see it glowing all the way to the ground? For sure? That is normally an ilusion. What is seen to glow in a meteor, is not the incandescence of the meteoroid, but the cloud of ionized gases around it, many thousands times larger than the stone in itself. The meteorites fall at a slower speed than that, maybe 200mph, too. Unless we are speaking of something really very, very big. From where came the idea that we are in presence of asteroid sized body? From that single article? AA If a meteor was incandescent enough to be seen all the way to the ground, we are talking about something quite large...in the range of ten tons or more. This also would mean when it hit, it was traveling something in the neighborhood of 9,000 mph or faster. When something this size and velocity hits the earth, there should be one heck of a whack...Which comes to my puzzlement...how come there are still healthy looking plants immediately surrounding the bleme in the photo? I think there probably was a meteorite dropped somewhere, but it was nowhere near the size to be seen hitting the ground...unless a witness just happened to be standing nearby. I also doubt any meteorite of lesser mass and velocity produced the so called bleme. george Zay __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] norwegian fall
That has the look of a percussion mark, to me. The shape is elipsoidal, the internal part is fractured, the envolving rock seams, by contrast, healty. It would be a strange rockslide. Even if the scale of the scar is dificult to evaluate from the photo, a mass of an average car falling at the final speed of a meteorite, would not let more evidence on a granite surface than this, I think. Big craters form when cosmic speed is maintained, with asteroid sized bodies, but why are we expecting such a big thing? AA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NORWEGIAN FALL
Possibly this is a multiple fall, and more of this holes have to be found. And normally there is some exageration on this popular reports. Possibly the stones scatered into little pieces in the bush. I would go there, if I could. AA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Antartic treaty
Hi again. This is known to everybody, but it clearly shows how, in reality, the meteorite hunters are seen by the scientific comunity, regardless of the many times described (by the first) proximity and cooperation between them: A PLAGUE. The problem of Saharan meteorites is exactly the same as Antartica`s, and should be seen and regulated in the same way, in my opinion. Instead of this, the legal and knowledge vacuum in that countries is used by this entrepreneurs, and aplauded by most of us. Nobody seams to understand what is lost in this process. I think honestly, that the entities that classifies the martian and lunar material for the dealers, make them a BIG favour, but are giving a bad contribution to the problem. Without their participation, that stones would sell only as unclassified NWA (max. 0.05 USD/Kg). More or less the initial value to the discoverers (they had lunch that day)! Or confiscated... Sorry again for one more inconvenient reflection. AA Antarctic Treaty The Hague, The Netherlands, 11-15 September 2000 ANTARCTIC METEORITES Working Paper submitted by SCAR At the meeting of the SCAR Working Group on Geology, held in Tokyo, Japan, 10-14 July 2000 during XXVI SCAR, serious concerns were expressed regarding the potential for collection of Antarctic meteorites by private expeditions. All meteorites have major intrinsic value to science and Antarctic meteorites have considerable commercial value. These factors make the collection of Antarctic meteorites very attractive not only to scientists but also to entrepreneurs. All meteorites collected by scientists are lodged and catalogued in internationally recognized depositories and are made freely available for study by the scientific community. Meteorites not collected by the scientific community may be retained in private hands or offered for sale at inflated prices so that they are effectively lost to scientific research. At XXII SCAR in 1992, SCAR Delegates adopted Recommendation XXII-1 on Protection of Geological Specimens, specifying meteorites among other types of geological specimens. This recommendation was noted in the report of XVIII ATCM and its general provisions were incorporated into ATCM Recommendation XVIII-1, specifically in the Attachment to the Recommendation at Section E) paragraph 4). However, specific reference to meteorites, and to other items identified by SCAR, was omitted. In the current situation, SCAR wishes to re-emphasize the vulnerability of geological specimens, particularly meteorites, to unrestricted collecting and has adopted the following recommendation. Recommendation XXVI SCAR-10 On the collection of Antarctic meteorites Noting that members of certain private expeditions are apparently going to Antarctica with the expressed aim of collecting meteorites for subsequent sale, Concerned that meteorites collected in this way will be lost to science, and Mindful of SCAR Recommendation XXII-1, SCAR recommends that National Committees, via their governments, request the ATCM to take a stronger position on Recommendation XXII-1 that states: SCAR recommends that: 1. Geological specimens, such as fossils, minerals, meteorites, volcanic bombs and ventifacts in Antarctica should be collected for scientific or educational purposes and not for commercial gain; 2. Geological samples collected from Antarctica for these purposes should be properly curated in institutions accessible to the scientific community and, wherever possible, should be publicly displayed. The papers and discussions that led to the formulation of the recommendation are attached to this paper in Annexes 1-4 as follows: Annex 1: E-mail message from Professor Gregory Herzog, Chairperson of the Meteorite Working Group, to Professor Ross Powell, US Representative to the SCAR Working Group on Geology Annex 2: Paper prepared for the SCAR Working Group on Geology by Dr Ralph P. Harvey, Principal Investigator, Antarctic Search for Meteorites Program Annex 3: Press Release by Space Adventures Ltd, dated July 17, 2000 Annex 4: Extract from the draft Report of the SCAR Working Group on Geology, Tokyo, Japan, 10-14 July 2000 __ Annex 1 Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 14:46:07 -0400 From: herzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Antarctic meteorites: some issues for SCAR Dear Prof. Powell: I write to you in your capacity as the US representative to the Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research. As you no doubt know, the Antarctic is a wonderful place for finding meteorites. Most of the lunar and Martian meteorites in the world's collections come from there as do many other rare meteorites of great scientific value. Lately, I have become concerned about the implications of Antarctic meteorite collections undertaken by non-governmental agencies. For more than twenty years, several elements of existing government programs have allowed
[meteorite-list] Zagami
About the Zagami stone: In the Mars meteorite compendium of 2003, it seams that Bob Haag toke 9Kg of the meteorite, about 50 % of the total mass. At the actual prices are between 500 - 1000 USD/g. it means 4.5 to 9 Million USD, if I am not totally wrong. What was traded for the meteorite? 100.000 USD of what? A reference collection? I am very curious. Can someone provide a list of the meteorites given in return for it? Or photos? Even if the value of 100 000 USD is the real, I simply say: You call business to anything! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test 1001 please delete
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[meteorite-list] Dear friends, I am back.
For unclarified reasons, my posting to this list is allowed again, and without the need of another email adress for each new message! Thanks!!! I promise to behave properly, now. I will absorb each insult and publicity of the predators, without making waves. I have my helmet, too. Fire. AA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TEST
- Original Message - From: Mike Bandli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Meteorite Mailing List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] In search of Latvian Meteorites: Buschhof, Lixna,Misshof, Nerft. Hi List, I am trying to locate specimens from Buschhof, Lixna, Misshof, and Nerft - all from Latvia. If you have any specimens available please let me know. I am not interesting in micros. Thank you for your help! Mike Bandli __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Opportunities Past and Future was Some ..meteorite finds.
In 1968, an Ataxite of 25 kg falled in Alandroal, not far of the popular Ourique. The authorities came imediatly, and confiscated the stone, to store it temporarily at the local prison. Days after, it was moved to the national museum, were it was analysed and where it remains in display today. This is the meteoritic reference for thousands of portuguese studants. I still remember, when I was a kid, of the impact it made on me. I have al the reasons to be convicted, then, that this is the way that this things have to be done. In 1998, another meteorite falled, and this time, most of it was sold to tourists, and dispersed like toys in ebay, finishing as keychains, glued to a piece of paper, or something. (This country had better days in some subjects) Between the 2 episodes, please choose: In the first case, the stone was studied and saved, to the benefit (cultivation) of all of us. This things are cultural obects, yes. In a universal sense. In the second case, if someone benefited from it, it was the tourists, who were able to take it from poor people for pocket money, to resell it at the prices that we know. If your neighbour does not close the door, it does not means that his tv can be harvested, or collected, by some smart guy, does it? If the Alandroal meteorite was found today, it would sell for a few bucks, and would end in someone´s office as a decorative item, like a Campo del ciello. That would be a BIG loss to us, naive portuguese natives. I mean it. In the book of R. Norton, rocks from space it is described how Bob Haag extracted from an african (synonimous of stupid, between the lines) country, a valuable stone. That was done after a psychological manoeuver, to take it from the hands of the museum curator - he exchanged it for the equivalent of the colored glass beads of diplomatic procedures with natives, of other times, ie for volumous rubish. This and other similar stories are presented like comedia pieces. This is a predator attitude, and I think that those persons, principally their descendents, were abused in their naívety. I think that Oman is poorer today than it was a month ago, if you understand. Obviously I am going to be called of radical, comunist, or something like that. Or that I am only jalous for not having used the oportunity and take the tv myself. After all the stupid neighbour is sleeping. He deserves it A dissertation about the market`s logic is usual, too. AA - Original Message - From: E J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Opportunities Past and Future was Some ..meteorite finds. Armando Afonso wrote: But I blame them as much as you, for a unconcerned approach to the subject. I far more concerned about the subject than one would imagine, and I understand how it can offend. I don't think I'll ever get over the Tagish Lake Fiasco even if I understand the decisions made. If the willing, ready and, competent volunteers had been allowed to assist, a lot less of the 99% that sank would be available for study/collections. Examples of how not to do it, of course we have the lens of hindsight on these matters and even that lens is can produce polarized images. We would hope the next example isn't like Park Forrest with the police sponsored extortion. I find after the headlines have faded-- so do the lessons learned. Looking beyond these examples I will be a voice in the wilderness lamenting the lack of planning for such an event as a major fall. There are many impediments to a workingsolution. While you and I differ, perhaps, in point of view, but we are probably motivated by more in common. For myself, I cannot equate the random fall of a meteorite onto any given political jurisdiction as culturally connected, automatically garnering the status of cultural property. I can support the claim a little easier if it is classified as an object of scientific value and it is timely recovered and curated for science. The cultural claim comes across as a guise for ( in your allusion) government-sponsored piracy. In some recent similar situations, it was a stretch to claim that a skeleton buried 10,000 years before a modern tribe roamed a given territory was culturally connected to that Johnny-come-lately occupant of said adjacent tribal lands and thus a culturally affilated remain that had to be immediately reintered. A Florida agency recently moved to virtually eliminate all fossil collecting in waterways of the state, where before there was a licensing program in place to report and document certain finds. All these mentalities tend to quash science rather than promote it. There can be cooperation after the fact. In the case of the Otzi the bronze-aged mummy found by German tourists on the Austrian-Italian border, Austria agreed after recovering Otzi he had actually been inside Italy and turned over
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now.PIRACY
I am not complaining. Yes, there is more to do in Portugal. I just came from the beach of Quinta do Lago. The wheather is beautifull; the water is deep blue, the girls fantastic, and there is no pirates on the horizon (this is because there were no martian meteorites raining tonight). Nothing too negative to report, then. Now, I am preparing my Martini, and putting some labels in order, before dinner time. I am in this list ( with your permission, I hope), because once in a while, someone says something interesting about meteorites. The permanent war between you and the rest of the universe is very funny, too. Armando - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Armando Afonso' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:13 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now.PIRACY Why are you on this list if you hate collectors? No life? Isn't there more to do I in a place as beautiful as the Iberian Peninsula as join a list of pirates and complain? Michael Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Armando Afonso Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 3:00 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now.PIRACY This should be called the forum of the pirates! Come on, none of you is a saint. But I confess that I start my day laughing a bit reading all this exchange of compliments. I find it very amusing. What about a collective psic. terapy? - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now. I know Adam you are all knowing, and all on this list know that you know it all. I find however with you, that you criticize and condemn anything that you do not have your hands in. All on this list know it. It would really surprise you that I dined with the governor of Dhofar region of Oman less than three weeks ago. It was pretty cool! So the bounty on my head is a little overblown by those who got themselves in trouble. Sleep well in the knowledge that you are the man. Good night. Michael Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:48 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now. Only one group was ever issued permits to remove material from Oman and that was not you, Mike. I know what I am talking about because I checked into before running off to Oman and steal meteorites. Here you complained about the legal status of Fukang when you are just as guilty. If there is nothing to hide, why pretend to be bird watching? I am curious to see your reason for visit on your Omani Visa. Everybody now knows about Oman and meteorites. Why pretend it is still legal, this will only serve to get others in trouble who may actually believe they are free for the picking. Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now. Oh Adam, I have returned to Oman many times now, since the last group was arrested. You wanna know why they were arrested? Watch their videos. 11 naked people wearing little more than loincloths in a Muslim country is what got them arrested. In the Muslim world, a man should not ever even reveal his chest in public, yet all of these men were parading all over the country in underwear. Can you imagine the anger of the police when they were apprehended? Please do not tell the list about a country you have never visited. I have been there 10 times now, I know the police, I know everyone I need to know in Oman to operate there with no problems. Please keep your comments about me and my discoveries to yourself. Michael Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 6:29 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now. We combine all of our announcements in one ad per week out of respect for Art's rules. You are the one saying you are better than everyone else by breaking the one-ad-per-week rule. Why should you have special privileges when everybody else conforms to the rules? An illegally removed lunaite from a country is nothing to brag about, especially in public. Done any bird-watching lately? Give me a break, Adam - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Adam Hupe' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quiz! - name this beauty
martian. absolutelly. A vision told me. aa - Original Message - From: Marcin Cimala - PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Quiz! - name this beauty No it isn't Seymchan. Ha ! Becouse its Morasko :))) hi hi Morasko is alvays the best and who cares about two olivines. OK I cant tell what it is otherwise I will be disqualified by Martin. Hey Mike, it was a not so intelligent idea to buy the Baszkowka stone and to drop it in Oman to rerecover it again. The other way round, Mike, the other way round! Martin = NO NO No This is speculation. I personally checked that tooday Baszkowka , one of the TOP10 best oriented meteorites on this tiny world is sitting in his armour chest, and its SAFE. This was incredible, this was mystic, this was great, this was horrible and beautifull to watch this stone in real. Heh and its much heavy than I expected. Crust is soo fresh, sharp, mat and shiny into regmalyptes compressed one near another. And finally the back side, never seen with place from where all material was cut off. This was great And all who like to see some photos please open my page http://www.meteoryt.net/sprawozd/baszkowka_2k6/index.htm And for those who will try to start any exchanges, no more material will be cut from it and everything what was taken from Baszkowka in the past was killed in many Lab tests and other parts landed also deep museums/collectors membrane boxes. So no new material will be available. Bad :( I have only 2grams -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quiz! - name this beauty
martian. By the smell. aa - Original Message - From: Marcin Cimala - PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Quiz! - name this beauty No it isn't Seymchan. Ha ! Becouse its Morasko :))) hi hi Morasko is alvays the best and who cares about two olivines. OK I cant tell what it is otherwise I will be disqualified by Martin. Hey Mike, it was a not so intelligent idea to buy the Baszkowka stone and to drop it in Oman to rerecover it again. The other way round, Mike, the other way round! Martin = NO NO No This is speculation. I personally checked that tooday Baszkowka , one of the TOP10 best oriented meteorites on this tiny world is sitting in his armour chest, and its SAFE. This was incredible, this was mystic, this was great, this was horrible and beautifull to watch this stone in real. Heh and its much heavy than I expected. Crust is soo fresh, sharp, mat and shiny into regmalyptes compressed one near another. And finally the back side, never seen with place from where all material was cut off. This was great And all who like to see some photos please open my page http://www.meteoryt.net/sprawozd/baszkowka_2k6/index.htm And for those who will try to start any exchanges, no more material will be cut from it and everything what was taken from Baszkowka in the past was killed in many Lab tests and other parts landed also deep museums/collectors membrane boxes. So no new material will be available. Bad :( I have only 2grams -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds.
Beautyfull stones, indeed. Incredible, what we can find by the side of the road. Or was the head of this strewfield on the lobby of the hotel? AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. I will post a couple of links here to show some of the goodies we recently found in Oman. http://meteoriteguy.com/oriented.JPG Check out this ~40 kilogram nosecone! One of our finds only 3 weeks ago. Please note, this photo is not when the meteorite was found. It was sitting face down in the soil, with little hint as to the orientation when found. When we turned it over, we both about had heart attacks at the beauty of this meteorite. Later we cleaned it off and found a large sand dune to take some nice photos. http://meteoriteguy.com/me100poundefr.JPG How bout this 100 pound meteorite? These are the stuff of dreams for meteorite hunters. http://meteoriteguy.com/nicesand.JPG Here is another meteorite that I found, nearly two kilos, absolutely perfect! http://meteoriteguy.com/32mme.JPG This photo is of the same meteorite, just moments after I found it and picked it up. This kind of hunting is a dream come true. Thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds.
Sorry, my english is a bit limited. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Armando Afonso' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. I don't get it. Please elaborate. Michael Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Armando Afonso Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:12 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. Beautyfull stones, indeed. Incredible, what we can find by the side of the road. Or was the head of this strewfield on the lobby of the hotel? AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. I will post a couple of links here to show some of the goodies we recently found in Oman. http://meteoriteguy.com/oriented.JPG Check out this ~40 kilogram nosecone! One of our finds only 3 weeks ago. Please note, this photo is not when the meteorite was found. It was sitting face down in the soil, with little hint as to the orientation when found. When we turned it over, we both about had heart attacks at the beauty of this meteorite. Later we cleaned it off and found a large sand dune to take some nice photos. http://meteoriteguy.com/me100poundefr.JPG How bout this 100 pound meteorite? These are the stuff of dreams for meteorite hunters. http://meteoriteguy.com/nicesand.JPG Here is another meteorite that I found, nearly two kilos, absolutely perfect! http://meteoriteguy.com/32mme.JPG This photo is of the same meteorite, just moments after I found it and picked it up. This kind of hunting is a dream come true. Thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds.
It would be interesting to read your repport about this trip. Did you spend a lot of time in the desert, before you found the stones? You look for them while you drive, with the air conditioning at the maximum, or walking by foot? The question is that you look fresh like a biological lettuce from Tucson in the photos, and I remember my look during a little trip to Morocco. I normally have a very clear skin, but that time I could be confused with a Tuareg. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Armando Afonso' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. I don't get it. Please elaborate. Michael Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Armando Afonso Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:12 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. Beautyfull stones, indeed. Incredible, what we can find by the side of the road. Or was the head of this strewfield on the lobby of the hotel? AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. I will post a couple of links here to show some of the goodies we recently found in Oman. http://meteoriteguy.com/oriented.JPG Check out this ~40 kilogram nosecone! One of our finds only 3 weeks ago. Please note, this photo is not when the meteorite was found. It was sitting face down in the soil, with little hint as to the orientation when found. When we turned it over, we both about had heart attacks at the beauty of this meteorite. Later we cleaned it off and found a large sand dune to take some nice photos. http://meteoriteguy.com/me100poundefr.JPG How bout this 100 pound meteorite? These are the stuff of dreams for meteorite hunters. http://meteoriteguy.com/nicesand.JPG Here is another meteorite that I found, nearly two kilos, absolutely perfect! http://meteoriteguy.com/32mme.JPG This photo is of the same meteorite, just moments after I found it and picked it up. This kind of hunting is a dream come true. Thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] you can trust mike
Obviously, he is. I simply like to introduce a bit of dialetics, even with my crude english. Armando - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] you can trust mike Anyone who is into meteorites know's mike farmer.He is as honest as they come.When mike says he has found a meteorite,you better damd believe him.I have known mike for 5 years.He was the first one I saw who was meteorite worthy in park forest.He had already gotten a huge pf piece.The man will go anywhere to get that new stone.He was almost ready to hop on a plane this week if another stone had fallen here again.I have bought from mike,I have sold to mike,etc.Mike is one of the premier meteorite hunters out there.And if you treat him right he will always give you a great deal.I have had many.I am not trying to kiss up to him.He just knows meteorites and what he says is true when it comes to the rocks.I will always continue to buy from him.Ebay or his website.Mike is the man in my book. steve arnold,chicago,usa!! Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds.
The authorities are complacent with the business, or momentarily blind? AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Armando Afonso' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:48 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. Armando, We drive from sunup to sunset, (in beginning of May, that was 05:48 am until 18:50 pm) stopping only for meteorites, interesting things, animals, plants, fossils, crashed F16's, bombs, grenades, and camel skeletons. We also stop for taking a leak, and getting water/food out of the cool boxes or to refuel the trucks. Walking only when we find something worthy of walking around for. To find meteorites in Oman, one needs to cover hundreds of kilometers per day. Walking around in the desert like Oman, at 45 degrees C. or 105-110 F would not get you very far or very many meteorites. Each place has its own terrain, and this its own hunting possibilities. Oman is for driving. The fewest meteorites I have ever found in one day in Oman is 1, the most, around 16 I think, that is separate meteorites, not pieces. I have every meteorite cataloged, photographed in situ, bagged, tagged, and ready to be classified. I take more information than is needed. So no information is lost on the recovery of these meteorites. It is only gained. Michael Farme -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Armando Afonso Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:40 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. It would be interesting to read your repport about this trip. Did you spend a lot of time in the desert, before you found the stones? You look for them while you drive, with the air conditioning at the maximum, or walking by foot? The question is that you look fresh like a biological lettuce from Tucson in the photos, and I remember my look during a little trip to Morocco. I normally have a very clear skin, but that time I could be confused with a Tuareg. AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Armando Afonso' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:17 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. I don't get it. Please elaborate. Michael Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Armando Afonso Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 5:12 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. Beautyfull stones, indeed. Incredible, what we can find by the side of the road. Or was the head of this strewfield on the lobby of the hotel? AA - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. I will post a couple of links here to show some of the goodies we recently found in Oman. http://meteoriteguy.com/oriented.JPG Check out this ~40 kilogram nosecone! One of our finds only 3 weeks ago. Please note, this photo is not when the meteorite was found. It was sitting face down in the soil, with little hint as to the orientation when found. When we turned it over, we both about had heart attacks at the beauty of this meteorite. Later we cleaned it off and found a large sand dune to take some nice photos. http://meteoriteguy.com/me100poundefr.JPG How bout this 100 pound meteorite? These are the stuff of dreams for meteorite hunters. http://meteoriteguy.com/nicesand.JPG Here is another meteorite that I found, nearly two kilos, absolutely perfect! http://meteoriteguy.com/32mme.JPG This photo is of the same meteorite, just moments after I found it and picked it up. This kind of hunting is a dream come true. Thanks Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds.
No, it was not so bad. The main mass is in display at the national museum, and additional pieces are stored adequatelly. But I blame them as much as you, for a unconcerned approach to the subject. And it gave a bad image about my country, too. I don´t like it. AA - Original Message - From: E J [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some more spectacular meteorite finds. Armando Afonso wrote: You look for them while you drive, with the air conditioning at the maximum, or walking by foot? The question is that you look fresh like a biological lettuce from Tucson in the photos, and I remember my look during a little trip to Morocco. I normally have a very clear skin, but that time I could be confused with a Tuareg. (e.g. Swarthy Berbers, Bedoins, etc.) Incredible, what we can find by the side of the road. Or was the head of this strewfield on the lobby of the hotel? AA Seems there is a hidden agenda here so for the newbies on the list: Someone hasn't gotten over the Ourique Affair... Does anyone remember the details, didn't the professionals/geologists that recovered it also throw the bulk of the National Treasure it in the waste bin after they sent off the samples to headquarters? Inquiring Minds Want to Know! Elton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canada laws
rd about chondrules, I think). This is a shame to my country. Armando Afonso __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Canada law
Calgary To scientists, they are priceless clues about the origins of life, but now, six years after he found some frozen meteorite fragments that weigh roughly as much as two blocks of butter, a Canadian has cashed in. The price tag: $750,000. And as a bonus, the space rocks that landed in Canada and were poised to go to the United States are staying here. It's been a little tortuous at times, Jim Brook said yesterday from his home in Atlin, in the northwest corner of British Columbia, not far from where the meteorite crashed to Earth. There was no significant interest in Canada for quite a while, and eventually, we were able to get something lined up, so I'm glad they're staying, Mr. Brook said. The meteorite fragments will be housed at the University of Alberta in Edmonton and the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto. For almost seven million years, the space rock travelled at 10 kilometres a second and covered a distance of a half-billion kilometres before it collided with the Earth's atmosphere in January, 2000. The 200-tonne rock was between 25 and 30 kilometres above the ground when it exploded and emerged as a fireball over parts of British Columbia and Yukon. Several hundred pieces, some as large as footballs, landed on frozen Tagish Lake, which straddles the B.C. and Yukon boundary. Miraculously, about 850 grams of the Tagish Lake meteorite remained in a pristine state. The fragments were frozen and uncontaminated despite a fiery descent to Earth. This material is extremely rare, said Sonia Lismer, manager of movable cultural property with Canadian Heritage, which kicked in more than $437,000 to keep the meteorite in Canada. Mr. Brook, who is a resort operator and has a scientific background, missed the light show, but a week later, he spotted the dark chunks of rock while driving his pickup across the lake. He knew not to contaminate them by touching them with his bare hands. It's pretty amazing when you consider that they came down right there on the lake and at that time of year, when there was some snow around, he said at the time. The whole thing was a real stroke of luck. He put the rock fragments in his freezer. Researchers determined that the meteorite, which is fragile and more ice-like than rock-hard, was the first to come from a thick band of asteroids between Mars and Jupiter. NASA scientists found previously unseen organic material in the carbonaceous chondrite fragments. They detected tiny globules of hydrocarbons, which were formed long before our own solar system and are the perfect homes for primitive organisms. Under Canadian law, meteorites belong to the person who finds them. Mr. Brook began shopping the fragments around. He found buyers in the United States, but Ottawa turned down his application for an export permit because it aims to keep cultural property of outstanding significance and national importance at home. Last June, the Canadian Cultural Property Export Review Board, an independent tribunal, gave federally designated Canadian institutions six months to match the market value of the rocks. If they failed, Mr. Brook could sell them as he pleased. The University of Alberta, the Royal Ontario Museum, Natural Resources Canada and the Canadian Space Agency began fundraising, but applied for federal grants to make up a $313,000 gap. The grants were approved late last year and announced yesterday. It's going to enable a really wonderful camaraderie of experts sharing this material for research and it's going to build on the existing research that has already taken place with NASA and that research is going to extend globally, Ms. Lismer said. The University of Alberta has 650 grams of the fragments and the ROM has 200 grams. The ROM will display a 52-gram fragment. Christopher Herd, a professor with the department of Earth and atmospheric sciences at the University of Alberta, said the frozen fragments will allow researchers to see organic molecules that are naturally within the meteorite as well as volatile substances perhaps extraterrestrial ices. It gives us a snapshot of what was happening when the solar system formed 4½ billion years ago and it's unlike any other meteorite even of its own kind, Dr. Herd said. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] odour
Hi.I have been in contact with the persons who found the Ourique meteorite, and all of them refered the initial strong sulfur smell of the stones, now inexistent.The specimens seam to be less magnetic now than when they were fresh, too.I would say that this indicates the presence of an iron sulfur (Troilite?), that progressively oxidated.AA. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
