Re: [meteorite-list] E-mail failure

[bill k via Meteorite-list]

https://pairlist2.pair.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2023-October/date.html



--- Original Message ---
On Friday, October 6th, 2023 at 12:53 PM, Stelvino Vincent via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


> Hi, 
> 
> I don't know why I no longer receive the photos from "Meteorite Picture of 
> the Day". 
> 
> How to solve this problem? 
> 
> THANKS 
> 
> Vincent
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Re: [meteorite-list] AI Rap about meteorites

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

With all due respect, those lyrics must have been reviewed by the Mister Rogers 
AI checker before release. They lack the true "flavor" of what one would expect 
from these particular artists.


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Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2023 1:54 AM
To: meteorite-list 
Subject: [meteorite-list] AI Rap about meteorites 
 
My second interaction with Chat APT and it kinda blew me away...
See for yourself:


Chat APT initiated by Paul Gessler

"write rap song in the style of tupac and doja kat about meteorites"

Verse 1:
Tupac:
Listen up y'all, I'ma spit it real hot
About the rocks that fall, yeah they really rock the block
>From outer space they come, with fire and a blaze
Meteorites they're called, they leave us in a daze

Doja Cat:
But don't you worry, they won't hit your house
Most burn up in the air, before they hit the ground
They're made of stone and ice, and sometimes metal too
Falling to the earth, with a trail of light that's true

Chorus:
Meteorites, they're falling from the sky
Bringing us the wonders, of the universe high
They're falling all around, don't be afraid
Just watch and enjoy, the cosmic parade

Verse 2:
Tupac:
These rocks have traveled, for millions of years
Through the vastness of space, facing no fears
They're ancient history, brought back to life
With every impact, they give us a new light

Doja Cat:
Some say they're a curse, but that's just not the case
They bring us new knowledge, and a better human race
So next time you see one, don't hide or run
Embrace the beauty, of what we've just begun

Chorus:
Meteorites, they're falling from the sky
Bringing us the wonders, of the universe high
They're falling all around, don't be afraid
Just watch and enjoy, the cosmic parade

Outro:
Tupac:
So remember my friends, don't be scared of the night
When a meteorite falls, it'll be a beautiful sight
And who knows what we'll find, in the fragments we collect
So let's keep our eyes open, and not neglect

Doja Cat:
This cosmic treasure, that's ours to claim
So let's learn and discover, and never be the same
So here's to the meteorites, and all they bring
The universe is ours, let's go and do our thing.

Drop the MIc !
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Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

[bill k via Meteorite-list]

"Bigjohn" Shea rolling on the floor laughing! Now that's one fall I'd rather 
not witness.


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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Saturday, May 22, 2021 5:12 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

> LOL! I guess you know better than the whole nomenclature committee! ROFL!
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>
> On 5/22/21 at 2:22 PM, bill k wrote:
>
> > As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just 
> > as ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I suggested. If the darn 
> > thing has been found it had to have fell at some point. Shsh Most 
> > of these terms are absurd.
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
> > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
> >
> > > In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - 
> > > Doubtful Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen 
> > > on the mass is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier 
> > > event in the region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely 
> > > connected to the mass. 
> > > The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
> > > Cheers,
> > > John A. Shea, MD
> > > IMCA 3295
> > > www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
> > > "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
> > > In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls 
> > > and finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, 
> > > which can be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an 
> > > observed fall.
> > > The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to 
> > > be falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls:
> > > A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond 
> > > reasonable doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed 
> > > either visually or with instruments, and collection occurred soon after 
> > > the event. Physical evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when 
> > > collection did not occur immediately, convincingly points to a fall at 
> > > the time of the event.
> > > A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the 
> > > evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations 
> > > of an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there 
> > > remains some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to 
> > > the event, or about the nature of the event itself.
> > > The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom 
> > > determines to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for 
> > > finds, including application of DCA numbering sequences.
> > > A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with 
> > > information that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was 
> > > found to be insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation 
> > > that seems consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, 
> > > either about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the 
> > > observations of the event itself.
> > > A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information 
> > > that may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt 
> > > about whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the 
> > > observations of the event itself.
> > > A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, 
> > > was submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
> > > On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
> > > From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
> > > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: May 21, 2021
> > > To: "bill k" billk...@protonmail.com
> > > Cc: "Darryl Pitt" museumcenterpi...@gmail.com,
> > > "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
> > > SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > > Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 
> > > 2-24-2015.docx (usra.edu) for an answer to your question.  The 
> > > Nomenclature Committe

Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

[bill k via Meteorite-list]

As usual you miss the point. How can a find be a doubtful fall. It's just as 
ridiculous as the term "witnessed find" as I suggested. If the darn thing has 
been found it had to have fell at some point. Shsh Most of these terms 
are absurd.



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‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Friday, May 21, 2021 7:51 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

> In my estimation, Bur-Arbor likely rests in the category of "Find - Doubtful 
> Fall" or "Find" as defined below. The degree of weathering seen on the mass 
> is unlikely to be from an event in 1997, though an earlier event in the 
> region may be on record somewhere, and thus be loosely connected to the mass. 
> The below is quoted from Michael's link. Very helpful...
>
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea, MD
> IMCA 3295
> www.bigjohnmeteorites.com
>
> "The New Categorization System for Falls and Finds:
>
> In December, 2014, the NomCom adopted a new system for categorizing falls and 
> finds. Instead of a binary system, the new one has five categories, which can 
> be arranged in order of confidence that a meteorite is an observed fall.
>
> The top two categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines to be 
> falls, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for falls:
>
> A “Confirmed fall” is a meteorite determined to be a fall beyond reasonable 
> doubt. There was a well-documented fall event, witnessed either visually or 
> with instruments, and collection occurred soon after the event. Physical 
> evidence is consistent with a fresh fall, or, when collection did not occur 
> immediately, convincingly points to a fall at the time of the event.
>
> A “Probable fall” is a meteorite found to be a fall by the weight of the 
> evidence, but there remains some degree of doubt. There were observations of 
> an event considered likely to have produced meteorites, but there remains 
> some doubt about whether the collected meteorite is related to the event, or 
> about the nature of the event itself.
>
> The bottom three categories will comprise meteorites that NomCom determines 
> to be finds, and are subject to the nomenclatural rules for finds, including 
> application of DCA numbering sequences.
>
> A “Find, possible fall” is a meteorite that was submitted with information 
> that may connect it to a fall event, but the evidence was found to be 
> insufficient to accept this claim. There was an observation that seems 
> consistent with a fall event, but there is significant doubt, either about 
> whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of 
> the event itself.
>
> A “Find, doubtful fall” is also a meteorite submitted with information that 
> may connect it to a fall event, but there is a high degree of doubt about 
> whether the meteorite is connected to the event or about the observations of 
> the event itself.
>
> A “Find” is a meteorite for which no evidence, or no credible evidence, was 
> submitted concerning the fall circumstances."
>
> On 5/21/21 at 7:29 AM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
> From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" 
> 
> Date: May 21, 2021
> To: "bill k" 
> Cc: "Darryl Pitt" ,
> "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE 
> SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> Bill, please see Microsoft Word - falls and finds - accepted 2-24-2015.docx 
> (usra.edu) for an answer to your question.  The Nomenclature Committee of the 
> Meteoritical Society maintains these definitions.
>
> -Michael in so. Cal.
>
> Virus-free. www.avg.com
>
> On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 4:44 PM bill k via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
> > "Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > designation exists.
> >
> > Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is 
> > implied and should go without saying... but is it an officially recognized 
> > term?
> >
> > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Elizabeth, 
> > >
> > > Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> > > designation exists.  The features of this meteorite are consistent with a 
> > > residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or far more; 
> > > Bur-Abor is an outstanding, highly weathered meteorite.  Please remedy as 
> > > we all get hurt when the line between puffing and misre

Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS

[bill k via Meteorite-list]

"Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
designation exists.

Is there an "official" designation for "witnessed find"? I mean it is implied 
and should go without saying... but is it an officially recognized term?




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On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 6:45 AM, Darryl Pitt via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

> Hi Elizabeth, 
>
> Bur-Abor is not considered an “unwitnessed fall” by anyone as no such 
> designation exists.  The features of this meteorite are consistent with a 
> residency on Earth of at least decades — if not centuries...or far more; 
> Bur-Abor is an outstanding, highly weathered meteorite.  Please remedy as we 
> all get hurt when the line between puffing and misrepresentation is blurred. 
>
> > On May 18, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Elizabeth Grose via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > NOW AVAILABLE AT AUCTION
> > BUR-ABOR, AN INCOMPARABLE METEORITE SPECIMEN – MAIN MASS
> > Iron, medium octahedrite IIIAB
> > Northeastern Province, Kenyahttps://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/
> >
> > A thrilling 600-pound main mass, the Bur-Abor meteorite main mass may 
> > arguably be classed at the top of all large iron meteorites to be offered 
> > at auction. Bur -Abor was found in Northeastern Kenya in a local family's 
> > garden, after it fell on Nov. 27, 1997. Considered an unwitnessed fall, 
> > Bur-Abor boasts numerous distinguished qualities.
> >
> > The present main mass is replete with regmaglypts and large scoops while 
> > also displaying the rarely seen feature of orientation. These distinctive 
> > features were caused by ablation as the meteorite coursed through Earth's 
> > atmosphere. One can see the surface area where elongated, parallel 
> > thumbprints indicate oriented flight, which melted grooves into the 
> > surface, mirroring each other in shape and size. Created by millions of 
> > years in the heavy metal core of an asteroid, it weighs a massive 274 
> > kilograms and has never been cleaned or wire brushed; its appearance is 
> > exactly as it was the day it was found.
> >
> > After its discovery, a portion of Bur-Abor was taken to the Natural History 
> > Museum in London. The present offering is the main mass. Iron meteorites of 
> > this size and beauty are generally only seen in world renowned museums and 
> > a few university display collections. The magnificent piece is offered on a 
> > rotating custom steel stand. Weighing 274kg (602.8 lbs). Measuring 32 x 20 
> > x 15 in
> > View it online: https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/27190/lot/11/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not an answer they like

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

I have a prewritten reply that includes a link to Washington University. When 
all reason fails I send them links to Steve Curry news articles.





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tracy latimer via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2021 2:28 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Not an answer they like 
 
I've been fielding a lot of e-mails this week from someone who is certain that 
a meteorite nearly hit their house.  The picture they sent me is of what looks 
like a weathered lava bomb that likely washed free of an upslope location and 
rolled/fell/bounced into his yard.  They found it the following day after a 
"loud thump that shook the house", then picked it up and hosed it off, so don't 
have any pictures of it in situ, just a shallow hole with muddy splash marks.  
I've told them several times that it doesn't look like a meteorite: vesicles, 
not regmaglypts; no fusion crust, nothing that identifies it as a likely 
meteorite, but they don't want to hear it.  Anyone who has dealt with a 
persistent "meteorite" finder, how did you eventually get them to listen to 
reason/experience -- or not?

Best!
Tracy Latimer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Christies auction results

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Money laundering at a Christies auction? I guess it could happen but  350,000 
for a 400 dollar item might red flag the deal a little too much. 

Here's a more plausible example, not sayin it's ML of course. After all, the 
beauty and depth of the soul of the artist involved are immeasurable.  
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/arts/design/110-million-basquiat-painting-yusaku-maezawa.html





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Albert Jambon via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 11:19 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Christies auction results 
 
Ever heard of money laundering?


Le 24/02/2021 à 15:44, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list a 
écrit :
> I wish the person who paid $350,000.00 USD for a 4-inch Muonionalusta
> sphere would send me some of what they were smoking during the
> bidding. LOL.
>
>
>
> On 2/23/21, Kevin Kichinka via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Team Meteorite:
>>
>> Who needs Bitcoin, when you can own meteorites?
>>
>> Please review the prices paid/gram for EVERYTHING/ANYTHING!
>> Consignors were well rewarded.
>>
>> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-martian-lunar-other-rare-meteorites/lots/2006
>>
>> Kevin Kichinka
>> Directly under Betelgeuse tonight...
>>
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] LAUNCH OF GLOBAL METEORITE ASSOCIATION, INC.

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More pay to play... :P

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem and Mineral Show

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Can't deny the importance of the ability to choose. Where would science be 
without it?



From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:45 PM
To: M come Meteorite Meteorites 
Cc: meteorite list ; AL Mitterling 

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem and Mineral Show

I will be going.  The only venues that will be closed by the Covid Comissars 
will be the City-Owned properties like the Convention Center. That still leaves 
the lion‘s share of locations free to
choose.  If you can go to Home Depot, the grocery store, or Christmas shopping, 
you can go to a dealer’s room at a hotel.


Ben Fisler


On Dec 28, 2020, at 6:53 AM, M come Meteorite Meteorites via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:


from what I know from reliable sources the Tucson Show is not happening this 
year

Matteo


M come Meteorite Meteorites & Minerals

Email: mcomemeteorite2...@yahoo.it
Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it


Il lunedì 28 dicembre 2020, 04:10:11 CET, AL Mitterling via Meteorite-list 
 ha scritto:


Is there still going to be a show this year? Looks like Arizona is having a lot 
of cases of the virus. Curious who all plans to attend. Best!

--AL Mitterling
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem and Mineral Show

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Can't deny the importance of the ability to choose. Where would science be 
without it?



From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
Ben Fisler via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:45 PM
To: M come Meteorite Meteorites 
Cc: meteorite list ; AL Mitterling 

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Gem and Mineral Show 
 
I will be going.  The only venues that will be closed by the Covid Comissars 
will be the City-Owned properties like the Convention Center. That still leaves 
the lion‘s share of locations free to 
choose.  If you can go to Home Depot, the grocery store, or Christmas shopping, 
you can go to a dealer’s room at a hotel.  


Ben Fisler 


On Dec 28, 2020, at 6:53 AM, M come Meteorite Meteorites via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

 
from what I know from reliable sources the Tucson Show is not happening this 
year

Matteo


M come Meteorite Meteorites & Minerals 

Email: mcomemeteorite2...@yahoo.it 
Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it 


Il lunedì 28 dicembre 2020, 04:10:11 CET, AL Mitterling via Meteorite-list 
 ha scritto: 


Is there still going to be a show this year? Looks like Arizona is having a lot 
of cases of the virus. Curious who all plans to attend. Best!

--AL Mitterling
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[meteorite-list] Tucson Gem and Mineral Show

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Those darn flunkies! Isn't there some sort of outreach program for the poor 
things?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Who sold their collection to a pawn shop?

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After over 40 years in the resale business I can think of quite a few scenarios 
that might lead to a sale like this. Theft is a possibility that should always 
be looked at but in this case seems unlikely. There are certainly people out 
there worthy of Darwin Awards that would try to sell stolen merchandise this 
unique on ebay. Many other more likely possibilities though.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 'gold rush' after meteor falls over Prescott, Arizona

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The "real" meteorite hunters like to keep things as quiet as possible. Can't 
have all these inexperienced yahoos out in the field bothering the residents 
and ruining the recovery effort. 

It's all about the science you know :P



From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
Michael Gilmer via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:30 AM
To: Paul 
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 'gold rush' after meteor falls over 
Prescott, Arizona 
 
So, is this a confirmed fall? Has anyone found meteorites yet?

The lack of chatter regarding new falls on the List is something
relatively recent. I'm not used to this level of silence after a
potential new fall. Has Facebook stolen all the thunder? If so, that's
sad.

Best regards and happy huntings,

MikeG


On 9/19/20, Paul via Meteorite-list  wrote:
> Meteorite 'gold rush' after meteor falls over Prescott
> By: Chloe Mar, Northern Arizona News, Feb 17, 2020
> https://www.abc15.com/news/region-northern-az/prescott/meteorite-gold-rush-after-meteor-falls-over-prescott
>
> Expert in Prescott describes Sunday meteor event in northern Arizona
> Joey Carrera, AZFamilyNews, Feb 16, 2020
> https://www.azfamily.com/news/expert-in-prescott-describes-sunday-meteor-event-in-northern-arizona/article_282bfc50-5140-11ea-8249-aff2ac03c70c.html
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[meteorite-list] AD 61g Park Forest

[bill k via Meteorite-list]

Recovered hours after the fall. Lots of character. $2135

https://postimg.cc/gallery/DFdRSgg



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Re: [meteorite-list] Modern Burnishing

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It seems they got your attention despite their inaccuate terminology.

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On Friday, August 14, 2020 4:17 AM, Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

> I saw that too Paul. I think I saw it once before a while back, being 
> offered. I have never seen this shaping before either. Very unusual, but I 
> would guess it must be terrestrial weathering influenced by some sort of 
> internal structure...e.g. perhaps melt. I took the phrase "modern burnishing" 
> to be that it had been cleaned in some way to remove calichebut a vague 
> description.
>
> Graham
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:42 AM Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
>
>> Want everyone's opinion / on this highly unusual morphology.
>> I don't doubt it is a real meteorite at all just that one side looks altered
>> or is HUGELY UNIQUE
>> Christies is currently selling it and gives a cryptic explanation for its
>> shape as "Modern burnishing"
>> What the hell does that mean exactly?
>> they also mention it could be naturally ventifacted.???
>>
>> Either way I have never seen anything quite like it in the meteorite world.
>>
>> Anyone else have an explanation ... please chime in on this.
>>
>> https://onlineonly.christies.com/s/deep-impact-lunar-rare-meteorites/evoking-sculpture-ken-price-exotic-meteorite-morphology-nwa-13203-38/82821
>>
>> Thanks
>> Paul Gessler
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[meteorite-list] Meteoritical Bulletin Main Mass photos

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I don't understand why anyone would "volunteer" to have their souls dissected 
by Facebook. Years ago, after looking at Facebook and the thing they laughingly 
call a privacy policy, I was chilled to the bone. What they do is insidious and 
dehumanizing. We have choices. Cyber lobotomy isn't an option.




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[meteorite-list] test

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test
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Re: [meteorite-list] Found Rock in the Middle of Altered Circular Mark on Pavement

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Yer kidding... Right?










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Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 1:42 PM

To: MeteorList 

Subject: [meteorite-list] Found Rock in the Middle of Altered Circular Mark on 
Pavement

 


As mentioned perhaps in list archives, this is within range of Park

Forest, according to data I found on strewn field sizes, as

recognized, too bad the citation isn't readily available. I was

distracted while doing research in many ways, for years, and seemingly

with good reason I didn't overdo it, because, believe it, or not,

things simply disappear (sorry to digress, please excuse the bandwidth

and time expended). So, I am seeing evidence they, where they noticed

this, thought someone tossed it in there, but that the heat heated

that within that ring of that radius, basically, if it wasn't bent,

also, by impact, which is not my area of expertise, of course. This

was estimated at a bundle

(https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/meteorite-for-sale/1899129/) I

don't want to look the dupe, and I surmise everyone will be the expert

that I am not (: "it's not [this]", "it's not [that]): first two

images here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/67498324@N08/albums (for

lack of discovering another Flickr account, there's this, maybe once

defunct, I can't help but wonder why these are here, if there was a

different account, it had many different finds on there, I was

documenting doing my work, which I emphasize over decrees and recs

from others, fwiw)

Peter Richards

(email or text to 603-759-1896... this can be had with a bill of sale,

for now I have it on verbal contract... thank you)

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[meteorite-list] Etsy Lunar Offerings

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

The integrity of the meteorite market and every market for that matter depends 
upon the honesty of those involved.

It's not unusual for the random meteorite enthusiast to offer what they think 
might be a meteorite for sale without any real knowledge as to what a meteorite 
is.

You do know the difference. You do know that these "Lunars" are not lunars. You 
have admitted that they were rejected by meteorite scientists. Please end this.

www.etsy.com/listing/736107038/meteorite-1678-gram-lunar-meteorite

Meteorite 1678 Gram Lunar Meteorite

$49,000.00

Date:
32 minutes ago11:34pm EST
steve

Message:

Actually the integrity of most markets is regulation and oversight. There is 
none here. I dispute the observations of those that have seen the photos. They 
are not conclusions because they refused to study them. I am being totally up 
front and honest. I'm not a random meteorite enthusiast. I don't collect or 
shop or read about anything, particularly not space rocks. I have researched 
for hundreds of hours, so I know what I'm talking about. The chemical analysis 
are from Activation Laboratories. A six year old can see the difference between 
melting and abrasion or deterioration, especially with a microscope, which you 
don't need with this meteorites. Why don't you just accept reality. This will 
be public very soon, and there is enough to go around. You should come and get 
some for yourself. My "agenda" you write about, is to sell my meteorites, 
publish a coffee table photo book, and retire. Is that ok with you, Carl?

Date:
19 minutes ago11:47pm EST
Message:

Your specimens were rejected and deemed unworthy of study because they are so 
obviously not lunar. A six year old rockhound can see that your "lunars" are 
terrestrial junk. Your pipe dreams of wealth and prominence are delusional. You 
can't offer unclassified meteorites for this kind of money without raising 
every red flag on the planet.

You can't self classify material like this just because you think you 
understand the things you've found on a search engine. Once again. I think you 
know this and you are still proceeding to try and defraud the public. Please 
stop.


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[meteorite-list] Park Forest Strewnfield Limits

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

I've mentioned the 40g PF that was recovered in Chicago Heights but never 
really asked for opinions pertaining to the feasibility of it having actually 
dropped there as part of the fall.

It was recovered by a gentleman in the parking lot of a thrift store located at 
2515 Chicago Rd, Chicago Heights, IL. This guy didn't know all that much about 
meteorites but his collection method was sound enough. 

All the material he found was bagged and tagged with the address of each 
individual location he searched. This is why there is no doubt as to where the 
40g specimen was found. He had 22 separate bags of material which he asked me 
to go through. He had no idea if any of it was Park Forest. I still have all of 
it in a box somewhere but the 40g rock was the only meteorite.

So what do you think? Was it found in situ or did it hitch a ride?
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[meteorite-list] AD - 37.1g Mifflin slice - 40g Park Forest individual

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

I'm offering two specimens for sale. One is a 37.1g slice of Mifflin from Joe 
K's main mass find. You may have seen it languishing on ebay for a while now if 
you're a Wisconsin meteorite fan or just a Mifflin enthusiast. It's tough to 
get a decent price on ebay what with ebay fees as well as the fact that many 
"meteorite dealers" have made every effort to convince the public that they are 
the only trusted sources of material. Kudos to you guys :P

This Mifflin slice goes for best price over 2900. Here's a link to ebay but for 
the best price contact me directly please.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133086757743?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649

The other offer is a 40g Park Forest individual. It's the only PF I know of 
that was ever recovered in Chicago Heights. I can show you the exact location 
it came from within a few feet. I figure it was somehow transported, fell off a 
vehicle maybe which makes it a hammer as an extra bonus! 

The finder recorded the location of every particle of material he found 
meticulously. He didn't even know the specimen was PF. Everything he had was 
bagged with each location carefully recorded and he had many bags. Since this 
was the only PF he had and I had to identify it for him I have no reason to 
doubt his find location. There are more details relating to this find which I 
will not bore you all with here but will be glad to share with anyone who is 
interested.

Minimum price for this one is 40 a gram.

Contact me anytime about these rocks or just to chat if you like.
Bill

PS:
I can supply you with some of the finest references in the meteorite world.
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[meteorite-list] Southern Tip of Lake Michigan/Northern Indiana Fireball 5/11/19

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Is there any interesting info regarding this event?
https://fireball.amsmeteors.org/imo_view/event/2019/2067
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Re: [meteorite-list] possible Alabama lunar meteorite fall

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I can answer this, as we got enough data from our meteor cameras to compute an 
orbit. It was very similar to that of Earth (semi major axis of 1 AU, 
eccentricity < 0.1) with an inclination within 2 standard deviations of that of 
the Moon. This means we are either dealing with an evolved orbit (most likely) 
or lunar ejecta (much less likely, but not impossible).

Bill Cooke
NASA Meteoroid Environment Office
(Sent from my iPad)

> On Nov 18, 2018, at 4:01 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Randy, Rob,
> 
> What makes you think that it could be a Lunar? 
> Yes, I read the article, and it is just mentioned as a "possibility".
> 
> Your opinions?
> 
> Anne Black
> IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
> Sent: Sun, Nov 18, 2018 12:31 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] possible Alabama lunar meteorite fall
> 
> 
> Hi Randy,
> 
> It hadn't been mentioned yet on the Met-List. I worked this fall last week 
> (unaware
> that Marc Fries had already done so), so the fortunate result of the 
> independent
> analysis is that two people came up with the same answer and the exact same
> radar returns. (I also analyzed the Carrollton, AL, seismic station data 
> which has
> an unmistakable sonic boom just 106 seconds after the terminal burst of the
> bolide.) I'm 100% sure these returns are associated with the fall since they 
> are
> practically colocated with the seismometer.
> 
> Upper atmospheric winds were high at the time of the fall -- jet stream was
> about 125 knots blowing almost due east. This is why the Doppler radar
> returns subsequent to the initial high-altitude westerb return at 15 km are
> displaced to the east of it. At the altitudes below the 2.5-km altitude radar
> cluster, the winds were below 30 knots and blowing more to the southeast
> or ESE. This is supported by the small southeastward shift from the central,
> linear-looking return, and the wider cluster to its lower right that was
> scanned less than a minute later. The first place I would search would be
> the southeast edge of the 2.5-km altitude cluster.
> 
> Unfortunately, this is a tough search area.  --Rob
> 
> 
> From: Meteorite-list [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf 
> of Korotev, Randy via Meteorite-list [meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com]
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 8:26 AM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: EXTERNAL: [meteorite-list] possible Alabama lunar meteorite fall
> 
> If there has been discussion of this on the List, I missed it
> 
> https://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/meteorite-falls/
> 
> ~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+
> Randy L. Korotev
> Research Professor, retired
> Department of Earth & Planetary Sciences
> Washington University in Saint Louis
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[meteorite-list] AD: Tieschitz

[Bill via Meteorite-list]

Hello,

I have a part slice Tieschitz for sale.
5.66 grams $1300 shipping included.

Comes with labels from Michal Bandli and Moritz Karl

Email for pictures.
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[meteorite-list] Awesome Shock Melted (NWA 6963) Martian Specimens; Changed to (Do we really need a bombastic, self serving IMCA meteorite dealer to moderate The List)

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Sorry everyone, I forgot to chance the subject line in my last post.

"Bigjohn",

Your offer to moderate our list is not only a conflict of interest on many 
levels but downright absurd. It also reeks of a feeling of self entitlement 
that's actually based on very little in the qualifications department. Who are 
you to decide what constitutes bickering. Where did you get the ability to 
define whats "out of hand"?

Heated discussions can be very enlightening and reveal many truths. If this 
bothers you there's always the delete button or you can cancel your 
subscription and concentrate on your real Administrative duties. The duties you 
list as qualifications to give you the right to restrict honest, passionate 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome Shock Melted (NWA 6963) Martian Specimens

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"Bigjohn",


Your offer to moderate our list is not only a conflict of interest on many 
levels but downright absurd. It also reeks of a feeling of self entitlement 
that's actually based on very little in the qualifications department. Who are 
you to decide what constitutes bickering. Where did you get the ability to 
define whats "out of hand"?


Heated discussions can be very enlightening and reveal many truths. If this 
bothers you there's always the delete button or you can cancel your 
subscription and concentrate on your real Administrative duties. The duties you 
list as qualifications to give you the right to restrict honest, passionate 
discourse here.




From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:32 PM
To: metlist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome Shock Melted (NWA 6963) Martian Specimens
  

Dear Art,
Hope you are well.

I formally request that I be made a “Moderator” for the Metlist, so that there 
is SOMEONE, who can put an end to this back and forth bickering when it gets 
out of hand. Which it has in this scenario...

I have extensive experience as an Administrator for both the “Meteorites” page 
on facebook, and the “Is it a Meteorite” page at the same online venue, for 
numerous years now.

Most Sincerely,
John A. Shea, MD
IMCA 3295

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Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan Meteor

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Where can I find these pics and the latest discussion about the new Michigan 
fall?




From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
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Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2018 1:00 PM
To: Les to Rovy; Meteorite Mailing List
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michigan Meteor
  

It has been found 

Michael Farmer

> On Jan 18, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Les to Rovy via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sine I'm only 3 hours away was going to go to the area and check out and see 
> if anyone or anything can be found.
> 
> Cordially
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[meteorite-list] Two greedy pricks

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What a surprise. The original Meteorats.
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[meteorite-list] not an AD

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I told you so :P
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[meteorite-list] Lunar sample collection bag.

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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-moon-dust-bag-for-sale-auction-met-20170522-story.html

 
http://www.trbimg.com/img-59237728/turbine/ct-moon-dust-bag-for-sale-auction-met-20170522
 

Local woman's bag of moon dust to be sold at auction, possibly for millions
www.chicagotribune.com
A Chicago-area woman who bought a bag of moon dust from the Apollo 11 mission 
for less than $1,000 will auction it off for possibly millions.
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[meteorite-list] AD: 37.1 g Mifflin Slice

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Hi all,

I'm offering my 37.1 g Mifflin end cut once again. A previously interested 
party reneged on the purchase so it's available. This thick slice is from the 
332 g Kerchner main mass. It's fully crusted on one side and has been expertly 
prepared. The last picture in the series is the main mass. See it here:

http://s1231.photobucket.com/user/Billkies/slideshow/Mifflin%20Slice%20From%20Main%20Mass

Contact me with questions, for a price or to make an offer.

Regards,
Bill
parkforestmet at hotmail.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Where or how to get information on meteorite falling from the sky I heard and we saw a flash of light an also a spot in our field that something hit and threw dirt about 75 ft in

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Here's a good place to start.


http://www.amsmeteors.org/members/imo_view/event/2017/454/


Where are you located?



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from the sky I heard and we saw a flash of light an also a spot in our field 
that something hit and threw dirt about 75 ft in a fan like area there is a 
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[meteorite-list] Wisconsin Bolide Audio

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bmW6zCp6I4
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[meteorite-list] Meteor over Wisconsin

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Is there any radar data yet?
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[meteorite-list] JackStraw Mifflin pics AD TOO

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Hi all,

I just found a group of pictures from an evening I had the pleasure to share 
with a group of meteorite hunters during the Mifflin search. Pretty belated I 
know but these guys asked me back then, to send them the images.

I misplaced them, puter melted down but I just found them in an old dropbox 
folder.

Anyway, I have no record of their email addresses but I do remember one email 
address started with "jackstraw" or something real close. So if you still read 
this list "jackstraw" and want these pics or you know how to contact him so I 
can fulfill my commitment to send the pics let me know.

Speaking of Mifflin, I have a thick 37.1 g endcut from the Kerschner main mass 
for sale. It is beautiful. Sells to best offer.
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Re: [meteorite-list] [9/52]: NWA 8159, Martian augite basalt available for sale

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

"an even greater source is the 'attitude' of too many long-time posters, their 
language, and the arguments."

Baloney, that's called reality. The unabridged met-list had a lot to offer. 
News, current events, science, the latest fall info, real opinions, 
personalities...  Many people came here to engage in, or just observe, spirited 
conversation and get a little insight into the passion and some of the 
unlimited facets of the meteorite community. Not always pretty but that's life. 

Endless watered down dealer talk lacks humanity, abounds everywhere and is very 
boring.
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Re: [meteorite-list] How Many Meteorites Are Hidden on Farmland?

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Pleasant article. Very little hype of the sort we are often inundated with. The 
only thing that I found disappointing was the lack of information pertaining to 
the rock/meteorite itself.

Kinda looks like a pallasite but that's just a silly guess, I guess ; since 
it's only based on a glance. Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Bill






From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
Tommy via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:00 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] How Many Meteorites Are Hidden on Farmland?
    
http://www.agweb.com/article/how-many-meteorites-are-hidden-on-farmland-naa-chris-bennett/



How Many Meteorites Are Hidden on Farmland?
www.agweb.com
In early May, with corn already up, Bruce Lilienthal spotted a large rock 
jutting halfway out of his heavy, black dirt. He dug out a 16” long, 10” wide 
and 2” thick specimen weighing an unseemly 33 lbs. Unknown to Lilienthal, he’d 
harvested the single most unique item in his farm’s history: a meteorite.


Regards!


Tom


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Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

All that does is help prove my point.






From: Count Deiro 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 10:49 PM
To: bill kies
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
    
FYI

http://www.greatbritishracing.com/news-and-features/latest-news/count-guido-deiro-outstays-his-rivals/#IVhBj6LkfXJaJVTY.97

In case you had doubts

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

-Original Message-
>From: bill kies 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2016 4:54 PM
>To: Count Deiro 
>Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>
>And so the "Count" of "self-righteous, self centered, self in*portant, 
>supercill*ious gas bags" has spoken. Amen and thanks so much for all your 
>wisdom.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Meteorite-list  on behalf 
>of Count Deiro via Meteorite-list 
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:41 PM
>To: John Lutzon; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>    
>No apologies necessary, John. It had to be said by someone. Too often the List 
>gets hijacked by self-righteous, self centered, self inportant, supercillious 
>gas bags.
>
>Count Deiro
>IMCA 3536    
>
>You have stated what many Listees agree with. 
>
>-Original Message-
>>From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
>>Sent: Jun 20, 2016 2:47 PM
>>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>>
>>List,
>>My apologies first
>>
>>What the Hell am I missing here?? Someone set me straight
>>--or better yet Don't respond. 3 days--Enough already !
>>
>>This thread is bordering on stupidity and/or insulting to
>>this List.
>>
>>Move On..
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 2:54 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>>
>>
>>Mondegreens
>>
>>Here is a perfect example:
>>
>>http://www.amiright.com/misheard/song/orangecrush.shtml
>
>
>
>Misheard Lyrics, performed by Orange Crush - amIright
>www.amiright.com
>Misheard Lyrics, performed by Orange Crush. Misheard lyrics (also known as 
>mondegreens) are instances of when a song lyric can't be understood, and the 
>mind ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list
>>To: Dark Matter
>>Cc: Meteorite List ; Bigjohn Shea
>>Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:41 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>>
>>
>>I want what you guys are taking!  "Pots with paint brushes calling kettles 
>>names!
>>With reference to the Hupe brothers, if one was a different color, it might 
>>ease
>>some of the confusion as to who is who!  You so funny!
>>
>>Sent from my iPad
>>
>>On Jun 19, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Dark Matter via Meteorite-list 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Looks like we got the band back together on this one.
>>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sunday, June 19, 2016, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>> wrote:
>>
>>This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites...
>>
>>
>>
>>Sent using the mail.com mail app
>>
>>On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote:
>>
>>> Captain Blood wrote:
>>>
>>> "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
>>> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
>>> The original phrase in this instance is
>>> "Pot calling the kettle black."
>>>
>>> =
>>> You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is 
>>> not at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of
>>> Adam's original aphorism or proverb he intended. Though there are even 
>>> older proverbs capturing his thought, I think he might
>>> have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the middle ages, hundreds of 
>>> years before the pot/kettle abomination existed:
>>>
>>> "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader,
>>> are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250)
>>>
>>> The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely 
>>> resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game
>>> to 

Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

And so the "Count" of "self-righteous, self centered, self in*portant, 
supercill*ious gas bags" has spoken. Amen and thanks so much for all your 
wisdom.






From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
Count Deiro via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 5:41 PM
To: John Lutzon; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
    
No apologies necessary, John. It had to be said by someone. Too often the List 
gets hijacked by self-righteous, self centered, self inportant, supercillious 
gas bags.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536    

You have stated what many Listees agree with. 

-Original Message-
>From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
>Sent: Jun 20, 2016 2:47 PM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>
>List,
>My apologies first
>
>What the Hell am I missing here?? Someone set me straight
>--or better yet Don't respond. 3 days--Enough already !
>
>This thread is bordering on stupidity and/or insulting to
>this List.
>
>Move On..
>
>John
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 2:54 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>
>
>Mondegreens
>
>Here is a perfect example:
>
>http://www.amiright.com/misheard/song/orangecrush.shtml



Misheard Lyrics, performed by Orange Crush - amIright
www.amiright.com
Misheard Lyrics, performed by Orange Crush. Misheard lyrics (also known as 
mondegreens) are instances of when a song lyric can't be understood, and the 
mind ...
>
>
>
>
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list
>To: Dark Matter
>Cc: Meteorite List ; Bigjohn Shea
>Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>
>
>I want what you guys are taking!  "Pots with paint brushes calling kettles 
>names!
>With reference to the Hupe brothers, if one was a different color, it might 
>ease
>some of the confusion as to who is who!  You so funny!
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Jun 19, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Dark Matter via Meteorite-list 
> wrote:
>
>
>Looks like we got the band back together on this one.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>
>Martin
>
>
>
>
>On Sunday, June 19, 2016, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
> wrote:
>
>This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites...
>
>
>
>Sent using the mail.com mail app
>
>On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote:
>
>> Captain Blood wrote:
>>
>> "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
>> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
>> The original phrase in this instance is
>> "Pot calling the kettle black."
>>
>> =
>> You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is not 
>> at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of
>> Adam's original aphorism or proverb he intended. Though there are even older 
>> proverbs capturing his thought, I think he might
>> have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the middle ages, hundreds of 
>> years before the pot/kettle abomination existed:
>>
>> "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader,
>> are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250)
>>
>> The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely 
>> resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game
>> to use as he did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the 
>> interpretation is supported, whether it sounds good to
>> everyone's ear or only to some. I have traced the origin of the pot/kettle 
>> proverb undisputedly to the ancient Greek, "Snake and
>> the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the reflection/coloring 
>> suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure and
>> without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a 
>> late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year
>> old proverb that diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer 
>> can appropriate it as they feel convenient and not be
>> beholden to any higher authority on its use due to the selection of an 
>> arbitrary point in time, and Adam has referenced his with
>> a less common modern variant. English is always evolving, and this is a 
>> living example of how it ha
> pp
>>  ens.
>>
>> Kindest wishes
>> Doug
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
>> To: Paul Gessler ; Met. Adam Hupe 
>> ; Meteorite List
>> 
>> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
>> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
>> The original phrase in this instance is
>> "Pot calling the kettle black."
>> Michael Blood
>>
>>
>> On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>>
>>
>> __

Re: [meteorite-list] In regards to NWA 10495

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

You guys. Is this serious? I noticed the Washington/Florida thing around a 
decade ago, just thought it was sibling nonsense. So much for the Hoi Polloi 
versus the trailer trash with bad teeth sneaking around your motels with or 
without good meteorites.






From: Meteorite-list  on behalf of 
Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:05 PM
To: Bigjohn Shea; meteorite list
Cc: Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] In regards to NWA 10495
    
John,

It matters not about the weight at this point. What matters is how she came 
aggressively charging out of left field because of the actions and aggressions 
caused by someone else's public actions towards me, all of which could have 
been settled 'politely' with  a simple private email to me. They chose to make 
a spectacle of it and another decided to air his dirty laundry to be part of 
their hopeful public lynching of me.

New personnel at a new museum that hasn't opened yet or not, I will protect 
myself especially when only a couple people know the 'real' true story and 
their agendas, most has been publicly discussed on this thread so do not feel 
the need to join in on throwing  me under the bus, John!

I'm very tired of this whole discussion, especially from those who do not know 
the whole truth, including the aggressors!

Best regards,
Greg Hupe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:32 PM, Bigjohn Shea  wrote:
> 
> I think there is an unnecessary amount of hostility being displayed to a 
> museum curator over the claim of the "World's Largest Lunar", which is 
> essentially a marketing factoid anyhow.  Honestly I did not find her 
> statements to be as aggressive or accusatory  as they have been painted to be.
> 
> Barbra Barrett stated: "I’m writing now because I have been honored to curate 
> the main mass of NWA 10495, which weighs 12.120 kg."
> 
> Given what is said above, the mass is likely right across the building from 
> Barbra's office.  It seems to me that the thing which would settle this once 
> and for all would be for the curator to take a moment out of her busy 
> schedule, weigh the main mass of  NWA 10495, photograph this process 
> thoroughly, and have this information forwarded for publication in the 
> metbull so it can be made official.
> 
> That being said, nobody is arguing over what the world's largest Eucrite is, 
> or the world's largest Martian is, etc. because nobody is making it a point 
> to market their specimen under those pretenses.  My point being, which is the 
> largest lunar really doesn't  matter to the science of meteorites, or the 
> meteorite world in general, only to those who feel they want to sell under 
> that claim.
> 
> No matter which is the largest, nothing changes the fact that NWA 5000 is a 
> gorgeous meteorite, that people should be lucky to own a specimen of.  I 
> doubt anyone would seriously go about demanding a refund from either of the 
> Hupe's were NWA 10495 proven to  be larger.  NWA 5000 is still a rare 
> beauty...
> 
> Cheers,
> John A. Shea MD
> IMCA 3295
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent using the mail.com mail app
> 
>> On 6/16/16 at 10:17 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> 
>> This is the Meteoritical Bulletin entry for NWA 10495 :
>> 
>> Northwest Africa 10495 (NWA 10495)
>> Morocco
>> Find: 2015
>> Classification: Lunar meteorite (feldspathic breccia)
>> History: A group of similar stones were found together at an
>> undisclosed location in southern Morocco during 2015.
>> 
>> Physical characteristics: Several grayish brown stones (total weight
>> 15.6 kg) lacking fusion crust, but with a polished external
>> appearance. All exhibit the same overall fine grained texture, with
>> some visible larger whitish clasts within a dark gray matrix.
>> Petrography: (A. Irving and S. Kuehner, UWS) Relatively fine grained
>> fragmental breccia composed of mineral clasts of anorthite, pigeonite,
>> olivine, augite, Ti-chromite and troilite set in a matrix containing
>> minor secondary barite.
>> 
>> Geochemistry: Olivine (Fa34.8-42.3, FeO/MnO = 86-95, N = 4), pigeonite
>> (Fs29.8-32.4Wo8.8-12.9, FeO/MnO = 47-52, N = 3), augite (Fs20.6Wo35.4,
>> FeO/MnO = 49), plagioclase (An96.4-97.1Or0.1, N = 2). Bulk composition
>> (R. Korotev, WUSL) INAA of subsamples gave the following mean
>> abundances: (in wt.%) FeO 7.0, Na2O 0.30; (in ppm) Sc 17.0, La 1.9, Sm
>> 1.0, Eu 0.67, Yb 1.0, Lu 0.15, Hf 0.6, Th 0.15.
>> Classification: Lunar (feldspathic breccia).
>> 
>> Specimens: 24.3 g including one stone polished on one side at UWB; the
>> remaining material is held by the anonymous finders.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Nowhere in this entry is there any mention of a single large mass. In
>> fact, it states that there are several similar stones that were
>> recovered. Unless one is privy to facts that are not publicly known,
>> there is no way to determine if NWA 10495 is the world's lar

Re: [meteorite-list] Invented words

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

I see "meteorics" used often to represent the study of meteorites. Shouldn't it 
be meteoritics? Could both ever be acceptable?

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD-New additions, no reserve auctions. Ragland, Bingol, D'Orbigny, Lunars, Museum specimens

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

Don't you care about your previous statements concerning the insignificance of 
L6 meteorites? i'm sorry but an l6 from cal will always mean more than  the 
same from AF. How many BUYERS from the mid east are there?. I'm sorry but 
you're assessement of fresh American witnessed falls no matter what the cost is 
BS. Find me some illinois falls/finds other than PF. 

And in all simplicity can you discount one L6 to another in the same thread?

Due Regards,
Bil


From: Bigjohn Shea 
Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 8:33 PM
To: bill kies
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD-New additions, no reserve auctions. Ragland, 
Bingol, D'Orbigny, Lunars, Museum specimens

Sorry, but 6 specimens amoung all private collections is rare.  To disagree is 
just being stubborn.



Sent using the mail.com mail app

On 12/7/15 at 9:29 PM, bill kies wrote:

> No person can define rarety. It's an individual decision. You have expressed 
> multiple decisions that are clearly contradictory as well as biased.
>
> Reasearch your own statements.  The Afghan met has less value then any Cal 
> Met for obvious reasons. Wise up
>
> 
> From: Bigjohn Shea 
> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 7:54 PM
> To: bill kies
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD-New additions, no reserve auctions. Ragland, 
> Bingol, D'Orbigny, Lunars, Museum specimens
>
> Nope not contradicting myself at all.
>
> Creston is not historic.  Kandahar is.
>
> Creston is one of a handfull of California falls and there are specimens 
> still available to this day.  Kandahar is one of a kind for Afghanistan, and 
> there are literally only six in private collections.
>
> If you can't see the difference then you aren't understanding what makes a 
> meteorite truly rare and valuable.
>
>
>
> Sent using the mail.com mail app
>
> On 12/7/15 at 8:43 PM, bill kies wrote:
>
> > John,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your consideration but it's always been obvious that you can't 
> > and I mean "CAN'T" discount the personal meaning of any fall/find to anyone 
> > that was awakened to the whole scenario by the event. It's a big deal when 
> > a met falls in your backyard.
> >
> >
> >
> > But you made a big deal about a fresh Cal find that Cal collectors love. I 
> > have to dis your opine as you have contradicted yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> > ____
> >
> > From: Bigjohn Shea 
> >
> > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 7:07 PM
> >
> > To: bill kies
> >
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD-New additions, no reserve auctions. 
> > Ragland, Bingol, D'Orbigny, Lunars, Museum specimens
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > I was selling the Afghan at my cost.  That's the major difference.  I can 
> > count on one finger the number of times I made a profit selling a meteorite.
> >
> >
> >
> > Also, the Kandahar meteorite is an historic fall.  The only meteorite from 
> > Afghanistan.  This not some new fall that a merchant overpaid for then 
> > tried to recoupe his expense by selling at too high a price.  There are 
> > only six pieces of Kandahar in private collections.
> >
> >
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent using the mail.com mail app
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/7/15 at 7:54 PM, bill kies wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > "Bigjohn" Aren't you the same fellow that made a big deal out of 300 a 
> > > gram for an L6 Cal met and then offered an afhgan L6 met for around 700 a 
> > > g
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > 
> >
> > >
> >
> > > From: Meteorite-list  on 
> > > behalf of Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
> > > 
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sent: Monday, December 7, 2015 5:41 PM
> >
> > >
> >
> > > To: Michael Farmer
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Cc: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list; impact...@aol.com; 
> > > valpar...@aol.com
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD-New additions, no reserve auctions. 
> > > Ragland, Bingol, D'Orbigny, Lunars, Museum specimens
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Sounds like an outlyer.
> >
> > >
> >
> > > The average of the prices available i

[meteorite-list] Where do I find a high end buyer 120kg+ Campo Del Cielo meteorite

[Bill Peters via Meteorite-list]

Hello All,
 
I've got a 125kg+ Campo Del Cielo meteorite that I would like to sell retail 
with a great shape and an internal cavity. Included are a few of the discovery 
photos. How can I access the market for high end clients? I want to get a good 
client base to offer the Campo (Yes, I am aware I need a better pic of the 
meteorite.)

http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/2015-09%20355.jpg
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/2015-09%20348.jpg
http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/2015-09%20345.jpg

You guys are very good at this.  I could use your help.

billpeters
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[meteorite-list] AD: Tieschitz

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Hello list,

I have a very nice part slice of Tieschitz for sale for $1200.  Weight
is 5.66 grams.  Email me if interested.

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Holidays!

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Wesołych Świąt :)



Wesołych Świąt
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> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:52:11 -0500
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> Thank you Greg,
>
> And, the same to you and yours.
> Also, the very best to everyone!
>
> John
> - Original Message -
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> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 8:28 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Holidays!
>
>
> Wishing Everyone a wonderful Holiday Season... May 2015 bring you Success
> and Happiness beyond your wildest dreams!
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[meteorite-list] [IMCA List] Martin Goff's Out Reach

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

This is the same old shtick. Just another way to confuse what has to be learned 
the hard way, by educating yourself before considering the purchase of ANY 
"meteorite". 


Who or what is trustworthy? It isn't obvious. This sounds like a case that 
allows for confusion and defends chaos rather than finding fault with the 
problems that can never be solved by buying anything other than substantial 
specimens from who/whom at all? Misrepresentation will always be there whether 
intentional or not.


 IMCA was a worthy attempt to establish integrity but in the end the IMCA can 
only control their own. There are endless swindlers in this world and crumb 
buying is an almost certain waste of money. It has and will continue to add 
pollution to meteorite collecting forever.  

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Re: [meteorite-list] "Ebay Again!"

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First, I didn't question your material. I question crumbs in general. Second, 
it shouldn't be the responsibility of the buyer to try and find a lab that 
would be willing to examine crumbs. Crumb sellers know this. So, I think it's 
time for someone to take this task seriously and look at these endless micros. 
IMCA maybe?


I see your footnote about hate. What is that about? 


> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 20:32:02 -0400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Ebay Again!"
> From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>
> Bill - Put your money where your mouth is. I have 100 localities of
> crumbs. Test every single one of them and post the results publicly.
> I'll give you a killer one-time discount deal for the purposes of
> testing. Use an XRF gun, microprobe, SEM, nickel test, magnetic
> susceptibility, or whatever method you choose. Just because you have a
> crazy bias against people who collect micromounts (and trade in them),
> doesn't give you any authority to make blanket judgements.
>
> Yes, buyers should always beware, and this is especially true with
> micro-crumbs that are not easily identified in a visual manner. If
> somebody wants a genuine speck of something rare, they know where to
> go. There are a few of us who are well-known and our sources are
> well-known. I get my crumbs from many of the same big dealers that
> high-budget collectors and institutions acquire material from. I just
> get the remainders and pieces that are too small for their clients and
> purposes. Nothing goes to waste. What do you do with the tiny specks
> and crumbs that fall off the larger specimens during handling? Suck
> it up with a dust-buster and throw it in the landfill?
>
> Yes to all of that and lets not forget the sellers of crumbs and specks. The
>> sale of miniscule meteorite material may be the most horrific method of
>> undermining the collections of the most vulnerable buyers.
>
> The most vulnerable buyers? Some of my clients have microprobes.
>
> Haters gonna hate. They see me rolling.
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> On 10/23/14, bill kies via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Yes to all of that and lets not forget the sellers of crumbs and specks. The
>> sale of miniscule meteorite material may be the most horrific method of
>> undermining the collections of the most vulnerable buyers.
>>
>>
>> Those that are enthusiastic but on a limited budget. People who peddle these
>> worthless pips know full well that the material will never be authenticated
>> so they continue relentlessly without question, criticism or the slightest
>> regulation because this bs is profitable.
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[meteorite-list] "Ebay Again!"

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Yes to all of that and lets not forget the sellers of crumbs and specks. The 
sale of miniscule meteorite material may be the most horrific method of 
undermining the collections of the most vulnerable buyers. 


Those that are enthusiastic but on a limited budget. People who peddle these 
worthless pips know full well that the material will never be authenticated so 
they continue relentlessly without question, criticism or the slightest 
regulation because this bs is profitable. 
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[meteorite-list] Camelopardalids - What A Bringdown

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:P
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[meteorite-list] test

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test  
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[meteorite-list] Off Topic: Camelopardalids

[bill kies via Meteorite-list]

The possibility of viewing a meteor storm is exciting, accented by the fact 
that it's a one time only deal. My observation station is set up. Lawn chair, 
beverage table, mosquito spray, etc. High hopes for an extreme light show but 
any appearance will be rewarding!


Eyes uncovered... 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Maximum theoretical Earth impact velocity

[Bill Cooke]

The information

>> I found some info on the fall and here is some stats...
>> 
>> vel 667.2 km/s beg 135.8 km end 40.8 km

is from our Fireballs website and is an automatic, obviously incorrect solution 
to the event. There are 2 NASA cameras in southern New Mexico - one, at NMSU, 
collected decent data on the event, whereas the other one, located in Mayhill, 
saw only bright flashes through clouds, very similar to lightning. The 
automated software did the best it could to calculate a trajectory, but 
lightning events are often confused with fireballs, and it simply "went home to 
momma". On the plus side, we have been able to filter out most of the planes :/

If you use the Fireballs website, please look at the videos. If one or more 
shows lightning, then you know the trajectory is crap. In general, any meteor 
solution with a speed higher than 72-73 km/s should be regarded with much 
skepticism. 

Most all sky meteor cameras are similar to the Sandia design and use relatively 
low resolution low light level cameras like the Watec 902H2. As a result, 
meteor trajectory precision is about 100 meters in normal cases, which 
translates to an uncertainty in speed of 5-10%. As mentioned by others, this 
affects the semimajor axis and eccenticity (size and shape of orbit) the most, 
with the orbital angles (inclination, argument of perihelion, and ascending 
node) being much better determined, usually to the 1% level. These are low 
precision orbits, good for statistical work, but individual examples should be 
used with care.

Regards,
Bill Cooke

On Apr 14, 2014, at 2:54 PM, "Matson, Rob D."  
wrote:

> Hi Chris/Shawn/All,
> 
> There is obviously something squirrely going on in that generated orbit.
> For one thing, look at the error bars on the velocity -- they cover all
> possible velocities (and as Chris points out, impossible velocities as
> well).
> 
> I do have a comment about the oft-quoted 72 km/sec value. It is derived
> from the orbital velocity of the earth around the sun which averages
> 29.78 km/sec encountering a retrograde body at just below solar system
> escape velocity, which is around 42.1 km/sec at the earth's average
> distance from the sun. This gets you to 71.88 km/sec. However, earth's
> maximum orbital velocity (which occurs at perihelion in early January
> each year) is 30.29 km/sec. And solar system escape velocity at earth's
> perihelion distance is 42.48 km/sec. So that increases the closing
> velocity to 72.77 km/sec. However, this still isn't the theoretical
> maximum closing velocity, since I haven't included the acceleration of
> the intercepting body due to earth's gravity well.
> 
> At an initial closing speed of 72.77 km/sec, there isn't a lot of time
> for the earth's gravity to act on the body before it hits the atmosphere,
> so the velocity boost is much smaller than earth's escape velocity (11.2
> km/sec). From conservation of energy considerations, it can be shown
> that the square of the impact velocity is equal to the sum of the
> squares of the escape velocity and the approach velocity. So:
> 
> Max impact velocity = SQRT(11.2^2 + 72.77^2) = 73.63 km/sec
> 
> So in January, it is certainly possible to have a meteor with a
> velocity above 73 km/sec. Anything above 73.63 would require the object
> to have either originated outside the Solar System, or (as Chris
> mentioned) to have been involved in a slingshot encounter with
> another planet prior to encountering earth.
> 
> --Rob
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Chris 
> Peterson
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2014 1:10 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HUGE Meteor Sighting in Cottonwood AZ - Stats 
> from fall
> 
> There is almost no possibility of a meteor having that speed. The maximum 
> possible velocity a body in orbit around the Sun can encounter the Earth at 
> is 72 km/s. Anything faster than that would exceed the solar escape velocity, 
> implying either some sort of slingshot orbit or a body originating outside 
> the Solar System. Only a few meteors have been observed with velocities above 
> 72 km/s, and those only a bit more, and perhaps of questionable measurement. 
> More are in radar data (small particles), but it has been called into 
> question if these actually have the velocities being measured.
> 
> Suffice to say, last night's meteor showed the characteristics of a low to 
> medium speed parent body- something between 11 km/s and say 40 km/s.
> 
> What is the source of the data you are using for your calculations?
> 
> Chris
> 
> ***
>

[meteorite-list] List is getting torpid

[bill kies]

I've noticed this list has shut it's collective mouth. I remember the outcry to 
stop ads and spam. I remember the honest and often rowdy interchange of info 
that was shared here on a daily basis. That was the main reason why people came 
here. It was ugly sometimes, fun other times but always interesting and 
actually compelling. A great meteorite soap opera it was.
 
I suggest we return to Art's original no holds barred format, minus the spam 
and ads of course. Has the list become the AD list I feared it would? Sure 
looks like it. Maybe we are just getting old... We sure ain't getting young :P  
  
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[meteorite-list] Meteorites for sale

[Bill]

 Hello list,

I am selling a couple of meteorites:

1) Tieschitz 5.66 grams $1200
2) 6.99kg Campo $950
3) Alfianello 3.994g $150

Send me an email if interested.

Thanks,
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[meteorite-list] AD ** Pristine 100g Park Forest - Taking offers for three more days

[bill kies]

Hi all, 

I'll be accepting offers for three more days.

Very fresh Park Forest meteorite recovered hours after the fall. I can show you 
the spot where it was picked up within 10 to 20 feet using google maps. 

Lots of character: 

Patches of extra thick fusion crust. 
85% crusted overall. 
Area of fusion crust misted over by a spray of matrix material. 
Metal blebs melted into puddles on the surface, one of which is relatively 
large. 
Regmaglypts and more. I'm sure there are many features that I've missed or just 
don't recognize. 

I'm not the best photographer so I've tried to make up for the lack of high 
quality pics with quantity. The pictures don't do the specimen justice. The 
crust is a rich black color with the lighter matrix indicative of Park Forest's 
dual lithology. 

There aren't many, if any, PF specimens of this quality left in circulation and 
of course, satisfaction is unconditionally guaranteed.

Check it out here: 

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/media/100g%20Park%20Forest%20Meteorite/11_zpsf8493cc6.jpg.html
 

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/library/100g%20Park%20Forest%20Meteorite
 

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/library/100g%20PF%202 

Thanks again, 

Bill  
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[meteorite-list] AD ** Pristine 100g Park Forest - Best Offer

[bill kies]

Hi all,

Here's a very fresh Park Forest meteorite. It was recovered hours after the 
fall by a resident. I can show you the spot where it was picked up within 10 to 
20 feet using google maps. 

This 100 gram specimen exhibits a lot of character:

Patches of extra thick fusion crust.

85% crusted overall.

Area of fusion crust misted over by a spray of matrix material.

Metal blebs melted into puddles on the surface, one of which is relatively 
large.

Regmaglypts and more. I'm sure there are many features that my inexperienced 
eye has missed or doesn't recognize.

I'm not the best photographer so I've tried to make up for the lack of high 
quality pics with quantity. The pictures don't do the specimen justice. The 
crust is a rich black color with the lighter matrix indicative of Park Forest's 
dual lithology. 

There aren't many PF specimens of this quality left in circulation. I'll be 
taking offers for ten days.

Check it out here:

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/media/100g%20Park%20Forest%20Meteorite/11_zpsf8493cc6.jpg.html

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/library/100g%20Park%20Forest%20Meteorite

http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/BillKies5/library/100g%20PF%202


Thanks for looking,

Bill

parkforestmet at hotmail.com  
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[meteorite-list] meteorites for sale

[Bill]

Hello,

I have 2 meteorites for sale.
1) Tieschitz 5.66 grams $1200
2) 6.99kg Campo $1000


Please send me an email if you are interested.

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Odp: Oriented meteorites book sold through CafePress

[bill kies]

What's all the fuss? I understand the price reduction complaint but does anyone 
here think they won't get their book or their money back?

Shrugs..

> From: e...@biol.uw.edu.pl
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 10:17:38 +0100
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odp: Oriented meteorites book sold through 
> CafePress
> 
> Ha
> I'm also waiting for a few weeks ;-(
> Woreczko
> 
> 
> I am also waiting for a few weeks.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tomasz Jakubowski" 
> To: "Gary Fujihara" 
> Cc: "MeteorList" 
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 5:49 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Odp: Oriented meteorites book sold through 
> CafePress
> 
> 
> Hey,
> me also, order in 07 October and still nothing
> 
> All the best
> Tomek
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dnia Poniedziałek, 18 Listopada 2013 17:32 Gary Fujihara  
> napisał(a)
>> Has anyone experienced difficulty in getting their Oriented Meteorite 
>> book, by Michael Blood, through the CafePress portal? I ordered the book 
>> as soon as it was announced on Oct 23. After three weeks of waiting, a 
>> perusal of the CafePress website's order status page says that the book 
>> shipped and expected delivery is Nov 5. Review of the shipping address 
>> indicates it is correct and an inquiry has been submitted to CafePress, 
>> but no response as of yet.
>>
>> Gary Fujihara
>> Big Kahuna Meteorites Inc.
>> PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720
>> (808) 640-9161
>> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/
>> http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Burning Man Meteorite

[bill kies]

Yeah. Watch out for meteorite totin' hippies. Hippie tramps are thieves, (sing 
to the tune of Gypsys Tramps And Thieves by Cher).


---
> From: rrobb...@msn.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:45:32 -0700
> To: meteoritem...@gmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Burning Man Meteorite
>
> Hippies do strange things.
>
>
>> On Sep 20, 2013, at 11:11, "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> I talked to one of my old high-school friends today and he told me
>> something interesting that I did not know.
>>
>> He goes to Burning Man every year and the last time he went, he
>> learned that each Burning Man has a large iron meteorite in the base
>> that supports the Man. After they burn him, they sift through the
>> ashes and recover the meteorite to be used again.
>>
>> I asked him what kind of meteorite it was, and he said that it was
>> Chinese and over 500 years old, and that was all he knew. Well, it's
>> obviously a Nantan, and I guess I don't have a problem with
>> mistreating that meteorite since Nantans are so common. Heck, it
>> might not even be a real meteorite, if they bought it off eBay, given
>> the high number of bogus Nantans offered there by sellers in China.
>>
>> Was anyone else aware of this Burning Man tradition involving the
>> meteorite? And if so, are there any details available regarding the
>> source of the meteorite, the size, etc?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Rock type

[bill kies]

Speak of the devil: 
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/Billkies/Another%20Odd%20Rock/Meteor005.jpg



> Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 19:28:08 -0700
> From: mstrema...@yahoo.com
> To: astro...@online.no; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Rock type
>
>
>
> Fortunately I do not know who suggested these as some of these rock 
> types/suggestions do not even exist. So I can caustically eviscerate some 
> suggesters without anyone getting offended. One rule we used to have on this 
> list is don't speak up on ID's if you aren't reasonably sure--sort of "the do 
> no harm" concept borrowed from medicine. I think the rule needs reinstating. 
> I've seen real meteorites identified by several list members as slag--I've 
> made the mistake myself. I try to only make IDs from an informed and 
> experienced background. When someone asks for an ID they aren't having a 
> guessing contest--they want a realistic and ACCURATE answer.
>
> First: we really need a close up and preferably of a freshly fractured 
> surface to improve the accuracy of our opinion.
> Secondly: tiny URls aren't permanent. Any link you want to make click-able 
> enclose it between "<" and ">" as this list doesn't use rich text formatting. 
> These tiny urls aren't showing up as clickable links on my emails. Maybe it 
> is different for others.
>
> Thirdly: It always helps to know where a rock comes from as most have already 
> been identified on geological bedrock maps.
>
> Ok once again there are a bunch of well intending met list members who really 
> need to spend a few hours actually watching some very basic rock ID you tube 
> videos. There are a few dozen actual rock types and some have to get final ID 
> in the lab but you should be able to distinguish at least a dozen by sight if 
> you consider yourself an authority on rock ID.
>
> Lets review the bidding:
> -Basalt-- NOT basalt would have hexagonal jointing like the Devil's Causeway 
> save for in parts of Hawaii and Washington State in the US.
> -Pillow lava(basalt), with a degree of metamorphosis--NOT and just what would 
> a metamorphosed basalt look like? Scale is wrong for pillows. You are 
> mistaking exfoliation for pillows.
> -Quartzite--A remote --very remote possibility as quartzite largely lacks 
> banding. AS one of the possibilities does include a sandstone on its way to 
> becoming a quartzite, I give a partial pass.
> -Limestone schist --No such thing Limestone would show etching and pinicles 
> in a coastal setting.
> -Serpentinite (latter from gabbro or peridotite) Not even close in 
> appearance. This IS NOT an igneous rock And gabbro--an igneous rock does not 
> metamorphose to serpentite as this is hydrated olivine in origin 
> (Mg2SiO3<--(0H)). It takes a dunite/peridotite to form serpentine.
> -Shale/Shale with concretions Shale would show extreme stratification and 
> would not be smooth to the degree this is. Shale is very soft and would be 
> hammered into a scree pile in this type exposure.
>
>
> To all these suggesters-- go back to the books and study the characteristics 
> of the rocks you suggested then look again at the photo. Spend some time with 
> those online geology courses on Youtube and learn a little about rocks.
>
> -Gneiss, with banded texture--This is the most realistic possibility when the 
> photo is taken as a whole however gneiss generally doesn't separate along 
> strata planes. The question is are we seeing gneissic banding or alternating 
> bands of sand and detrus made by seasonal runoff or storm action. Note the 
> blocks of banded stone in the lower left of the photo which have a curved 
> fracture along a banded segment. Without a better set of photos and a sample 
> we are left with gneiss and standstone tied for 1st and second place. There 
> are some white calcite or quartzite veins representing secondary 
> deposition/mineralization long after the bedrock formed at depths. These 
> represent healed fractures and are common in most all rock sedimentary types. 
> More rare in schists and gneisses but can't be ruled out.
>
> Gneiss forms at depths where the rock is plastic and shows both deformation 
> flow features and banding. Based on the fracture on the block in the left 
> hand lower corner which broke along a band/strata I can't narrow it down 
> further. Sandstone whether or not lain down by water or wind action is often 
> reworked by storm events as the deposit moves over the slope so it is common 
> to find banding which is not straight but curved.
>
> Elton
>>
>> From: Bjorn Sorheim 
>>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2013 5:22 PM
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Rock type
>>
>>Thanks for sending me your reflections on this image.
>>I got quite a variety of rock types suggested.
>>So this seems difficult without more information.
>>
>>Here are the types you suggested:
>>-Basalt
>>-

[meteorite-list] Mean Streets

[bill kies]

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[meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry, Changed to Reading the Met-list easily

[bill kies]

Sorry, forgot to update the subject line.   
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

[bill kies]

In order to see the latest met-list posts quickly and in real time I have a 
desktop shortcut that takes me to the monthly archive:

http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/private/meteorite-list/2013-July/date.html

You'll have to log in with your email address and met-list account password 
whenever you restart your computer but this is no problem for me since my pc is 
usually on whenever I'm home. Viewing the list in this way lets you scan 
through all the latest posts in a few seconds and pick what you'd like to read 
without slowly going through everything in an email account. 

I rarely even check the email address I use for the list, maybe every week or 
two, unless I post a comment or engage in a conversation.


> Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 01:38:27 -0700
> From: photoph...@yahoo.com
> To: gmh...@centurylink.net; elemen...@peconic.net; m...@meteoriteguy.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; photoph...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>
> Listers
>
> True that to the human interaction. But again we like it instant these days. 
> But I cant say that for meteorite centrals list. I have noticed since the 
> over haul on the list the Art did, it seem topics have changed and the amount 
> of peoples thoughts and inputs. But again I might be wrong too. But I know 
> this, before the change, I could go to meteorite central website and see what 
> was the chat of the day or hour or min. But now if I go to meteorite central, 
> the last posting was July 11. To me, with everything being about the now, I 
> would be like, o ok, this is some old school posting going on. I barely go to 
> meteorite central anymore because of that. But now I have to get the endless 
> emails over and over, and at times I don't have time to look at them, and 
> that might be one of the problems people don't chat as much. I wish that the 
> list would be instant, then I would set my emails to bulk archive and then I 
> could read much faster on the list who said what,
> or at least who said it first and go from there. However, I still like the 
> list, but I wish the list was how it was and when you sent out the email it 
> would be posted to meteorite central.
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> ebay store
> http://stores.ebay.com/imca1633ny?_rdc=1
> http://meteoritefalls.com/
>
>
>
> 
> From: Greg Hupé 
> To: Michael Bross ; Michael Farmer 
> 
> Cc: Adam 
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>
>
> Michael Bross wrote [in regards to social media, {electronic
> communication}]:
> "... instant, no depth !"
>
> I could not agree with his comment more... human interaction is lost in
> electronic communications!!
>
> Best Regards,
> Greg
>
> 
> Greg Hupé
> The Hupé Collection
> gmh...@centurylink.net
> http://www.naturesvault.net/ (Online Catalog & Reference Site)
> http://www.lunarrock.com/ (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
> NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay)
> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
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> 
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Bross
> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:12 PM
> To: Michael Farmer
> Cc: Adam
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>
> you post while I was writing to you again
> and now you put a more aggressive tone. It's ok for now...
>
> before I respond to your post, here is what I was trying
> to share with you:
>
> I don't know Adam Hupe.
> I saw many emails at once about Curry ... thread still on...
> we continue exchanging with that "subject line"...!
> The one from Adam Hupe attracted me immediately.
>
> He is not talking about gvt etc... but showing that in
> Colorado... in the desert mainly... especially if you are a
> Meteorite Hunter like you... you have speed cameras
> to check if you are a danger to others... !!
>
> That's what I read in his first etc... posts.
> Not just regulations
>
>
> To your post:
> - given up of what ? The very few interesting posts on this forum
> for the last year and a half ? (we can continue on this...)
> where are they now ?
> - chatrooms ?!... sure... where you spend your time trying
> to figure out to what line you got the relating answer... a non dialog !
> Fb and other Twit... instant, no depth !
>
> So, there is a place for this forum and others to allow that space
> of freedom
>
> That's what I feel tonight
>
> And if wrong... I will leave this forum, which became mostly about some
> ads, some rants... and very few about Meteorites
>
> All best
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> From: "Michael Farmer" 
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40 AM
> To: "Michael Bross" 
> Cc: "Adam Hupe" ; "Adam"
> 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry
>
>> There is low traffic because mo

Re: [meteorite-list] The Worm Hole to a Parallel Universe

[bill kies]

The universe is "recycling" itself, for lack of a better term. It's also 
re-inventing itself.  The history of this planet's geology and various species 
is interesting only to us. My tomato plants need some of that good Costa Rican 
rain .



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> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 20:40:15 -0600
> From: mars...@gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] The Worm Hole to a Parallel Universe
>
> While wandering the internet on a rainy night in Costa Rica...
>
> List members:
>
> Is anyone familiar with this?
>
> http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2010/05/the-eridanus-black-hole-a-monster-one-billion-light-years-across.html
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eridanus_Supervoid
>
> Kevin Kichinka
> Rio del Oro, Santa Ana, Costa Rica
> www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com
> "The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2013"
> mars...@gmail.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay

[bill kies]

The specimen he offered as Ash Creek is obvoiusly not the same material as the 
slice he offered as Mifflin. I don't care if he's a scammer, adled or just 
mixed up. If you're going to buy you'd best do your due diligence. That's how 
bargains are found and as much as I do respect the integrity of the majors, I 
still believe in good deals lost in the shuffle.


> From: m...@meteoriteguy.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:59:53 -0700
> To: b1dunov...@aol.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>
> A yes, we'll known scammer.
> Good luck.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:59 PM, B  wrote:
>
>> John (Bryan) Scarborough. . Can't recall his previous Ebay tag.
>>
>> I'll give him credit.. its a very nice slice. But then again, my very fresh 
>> unclassified slice sure looked a lot like his Amgala, shape and all, and it 
>> too was very nice looking :)
>>
>>
>> Me myself, couldnt have a piece in my main collection which was 
>> questionable. Thus why I have a separate partition for my nice but not sure 
>> about specimens.
>>
>> Brandon D.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Michael Farmer 
>> Date:
>> To: Jason Utas 
>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>
>>
>> The fact that the label is for Springwater seems to be a problem to me.
>> I also think it is more likely Ash Creek.
>> Who is Lonestar meteorites? Wasn't that a known scammer?
>> Michael Farmer
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 8:46 PM, Jason Utas  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Bill, Brandon, Mendy, all,
>>> Honestly, this slice doesn't look bad. If you compare the breccias:
>>>
>>> (real, from a stone found by Sonny Clary)
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MUSEUM-QUALITY-CRUSTED-FULL-SLICE-MAGNIFICENT-MIFFLIN-METEORITE-L5-12-57-GMS-/200687083720?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2eb9e1e0c8
>>>
>>> (?)
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIFFLIN-L5-METEORITE-8-26g-BEAUTIFUL-CRUSTED-SLICE-WITNESSED-FALL-4-14-2010-/271220743348?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f26041cb4&nma=true&si=jHrsL50utK2qqpfbNFqr9%252BcmQSM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
>>>
>>> It looks good. The textures are close, if not identical. But, we
>>> know the same seller sliced and sold an unclassified NWA L/LL as
>>> Amgala (proven via photographic comparison of sister slices by another
>>> list-member). And, we know the variety of NWAs available. It would
>>> be tough to find a match this good. But not impossible.
>>>
>>> Mendy suggested Ash Creek -- they're close, but the brecciated portion
>>> of Ash Creek is almost always a lighter grey color and the
>>> unbrecciated lasts look a little more homogenous (makes sense, since
>>> Ash Creek is an L6 and Mifflin's an L5). Definitely discernible in a
>>> line-up of photos.
>>>
>>> Meh. If I really wanted a slice of Mifflin, I'd probably buy this
>>> slice. But I'd scrutinize the hell of out of it, ask him for his
>>> source, and verify provenance as far as I could with photos, weights,
>>> invoices, etc. Not a purchase I'd personally consider. But it is
>>> cheap - if it's real.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.fallsandfinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Mendy Ouzillou  wrote:
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> To Jason's point, is this past auction Ash Creek, Mifflin or something 
>>>> else: http://bit.ly/13FM9Aw?
>>>>
>>>> Compare this Ash Creek to the present Mifflin being discussed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mendy Ouzillou
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: bill kies 
>>>>> To: Jason Utas 
>>>>> Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 8:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's forget the seller for the moment. Why is this not Mifflin and what
>>>>> other material do you think it could be?
>>>>>
>>>>> Than

Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay

[bill kies]

Let's forget the seller for the moment. Why is this not Mifflin and what other 
material do you think it could be?

Thanks,
Bill

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> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 20:15:43 -0700
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
> From: meteorite...@gmail.com
> To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> CC: b1dunov...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>
> Hello Bill, Brandon, All,
> Given the seller, I'm surprised anyone would consider it without a
> very good photographic record of provenance. Could be Mifflin: looks
> better than most of the H-chondrite misrepresented material that was
> going around. But the same seller recently sold off-looking Nuevo
> Mercurio and Chelyabinsk, and has a documented history of mixing
> things up.
> Wouldn't touch it, myself.
> Regards,
> Jason
>
> www.fallsandfinds.com
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 7:41 PM, bill kies  wrote:
>> That slice seemed reasonable. I'm surprised it didn't sell.
>>
>>
>> 
>>> From: b1dunov...@aol.com
>>> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:52:09 -0500
>>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I wondered if anybody might offer some input or opinions on a 8.26g slice 
>>> of "Mifflin" currently for sale on eBay.
>>>
>>> http://tiny.cc/tugmyw
>>>
>>> Great price if as stated.. but is it or not?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brandon D.
>>> IMCA# 9312
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay

[bill kies]

That slice seemed reasonable. I'm surprised it didn't sell.



> From: b1dunov...@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:52:09 -0500
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Mifflin meteorite for sale on EBay
>
> All,
>
> I wondered if anybody might offer some input or opinions on a 8.26g slice of 
> "Mifflin" currently for sale on eBay.
>
> http://tiny.cc/tugmyw
>
> Great price if as stated.. but is it or not?
>
> Thanks,
> Brandon D.
> IMCA# 9312
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Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!

[bill kies]

So Adam,
 
You've been on this down rap for years now. I don't understand why you mention 
native american artifact busts in the same context as meteorites. That don't 
help none. 
I think I understand that you fear the two might be intentionally confused but 
I've been told so often that I don't think so well that I'm not sure.
 
Perhaps a bead or an ornament fashioned from a meteorite, plundered and lost by 
an incompetent "archaeologist" of bygone days, taken from an native american 
burial might cause confusion. Did that happen? Should the Smith make amends? 
Have they ever made full amends for anything they have done? Will they continue 
their Victorian policy? Is there a Hell? Will it freeze over... Will that 
confusion persist? Will endless sites get bulldozed because amateurs will never 
get sanctioned?
 
Curator to Bonan the novice employee, "What is best Bonehead?" Bone says: "To 
see the non-tourists driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the 
collectors!"
 
Yeah, the bureaucrats run wild, especially when the red money flag is waved by 
the media "stars". Wild as slugs in the garden. I hear a lot about the "black 
market" and it's always directed towards the collector. How many BLM employees 
are tracking hunters and cashing in? How many collectors are cooperating? When 
will we all get paid for saying nothing so often?
 
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> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 09:08:23 -0700
> From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
> To: meteoritem...@gmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
>
>
>
> Florida Artifact Bust:
> http://ens-newswire.com/2013/02/28/florida-busts-artifact-thieves-who-damaged-lands-waters/
>
> http://www.gainesville.com/article/20130227/wire/130229559
>
> Utah Artifact Busts:
> http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=6771105
>
> Unless you want a 10-year jail sentence here in the U.S., I would avoid
> picking up anything found on public land. Meteorites and cultural property
> (used to mean artifacts, antiquities or relics) are now interchangeable terms 
> thanks to
> Douglass Schmidt and recent media!
>
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (Mining Asteroids for Platinum)

[bill kies]

All in due time. It will be mind numbing to the nth degree when profits are 
made. The potential for fees and regulation are as limitless as the greed based 
hallucinations that currently strip us of our ability, our will, to produce on 
an entrepreneurial level no matter how basic.
 


> From: mikest...@gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 21:23:19 -0700
> To: mars...@gmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sign Up Now for your Mineral Rights (Mining 
> Asteroids for Platinum)
>
> Just wait until you see the BLM permitting process to establish a
> mining claim on an asteroid...
>
> Michael is so. Cal.
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Kevin Kichinka  wrote:
> >
> > Team Meteorite:
> >
> > When Ron Baalke forwarded today a news article about mining asteroids
> > for platinum, I at once thought of science-fiction movies I have seen
> > from behind a box of artificially-buttered popcorn.
> >
> > You know, those flicks where slaves from Earth work 84 year-days far
> > beneath the surface of some bare rock-moon in space partnered with
> > creatures normally viewed among the protozoa. Of course there is no
> > possible escape from this living death, but movies need happy endings
> > so our heroes always make it home to their Honey. Mining asteroids
> > seems a bit far-fetched to me.
> >
> > But ask a question or make a comment on the m-list and someone opens
> > the door to knowledge for you. Just walk through.
> >
> > Thanks to Randy Korotev, I know that "OC's may contain Pt at ore-grade
> > concentrates of 1ppm."
> >
> > But really, how concentrated is that I wondered, ever the sceptic. Two
> > seconds research informed me that Platinum is an extremely rare metal,
> > occurring at a concentration of only 0.005 ppm in the Earth's crust.
> >
> > Looking deeper into the topic (research is like mining, just keep
> > digging and you'll always find your bone) ...
> >
> > "Platinum exists in higher abundances on the Moon and in meteorites.
> > Correspondingly, platinum is found in slightly higher abundances at
> > sites of bolide impact on the Earth that are associated with resulting
> > post-impact volcanism, and can be mined economically; the Sudbury
> > Basin is one such example."
> >
> > And...
> >
> > "From 1889 to 1960, the meter was defined as the length of a
> > platinum-iridium (90:10) alloy bar, known as the International
> > Prototype Meter bar. The previous bar was made of platinum in 1799.
> > The International Prototype Kilogram remains defined by a cylinder of
> > the same platinum-iridium alloy made in 1879."
> >
> > Those two paragraphs were uncovered from 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum
> >
> > Sterling Webb's ever astute comments and links gave me leads and info
> > so that with a little follow-up I've also learned -
> >
> > - the total mass of all asteroids equals about 4% of our Moon's mass.
> > (I had always thought the sum was equal to a 'broken' or 'aborted'
> > planet the size of Mars or larger).
> >
> > - C-type asteroids are carbonaceous and the most common. Consisting of
> > clay and silicate rocks they exist furthest from the Sun in the outer
> > Belt and are the least altered by heat. They may consist of up to 22%
> > water.
> >
> > - S-type 'silaceous' asteroids are primarily stony materials and
> > nickle-iron and are found in the inner belt.
> >
> > - M-type asteroids are mostly nickle-iron and range in the middle region.
> >
> > One linked article allows that "because C-type asteroids are expected
> > to have water they will be targeted first, the hydrogen and oxygen
> > split to create fuel". (H-m-m-m-m-m, but 'closer' asteroids is
> > 'better' asteroids).
> >
> > Most importantly, is mining platinum on asteroids and delivering it to
> > Earth like so many storks bringing babies from outer space cost
> > effective?
> >
> > It was estimated that a single 30m asteroid might yield $25-50 billion
> > worth of Pt, more or less 40,000 to 80,000kg at 'today's prices'.
> >
> > The world's total Pt output was 192,000kg in 2010.
> >
> > >From the 'Economist' article link (BTW - my favorite magazine,
> > Sterling) we learn, "...the real doubt over this sort of enterprise is
> > not the supply, but the demand. Platinum, iridium and the rest are
> > expensive precisely because they are rare. Make them common, by
> > digging them out of the heart of a shattered planet, and they will
> > become cheap. The most important members of the team, then, may not be
> > the entrepreneurs and venture capitalists who put up the drive and the
> > money, nor the engineers who build the hardware that makes it all
> > possible, but the economists who try to work out the effect on the
> > price of platinum when a mountain of the stuff arrives from outer
> > space."
> >
> > . leaving me calculating the 'present value' of all this precious
> > metal in 'Bitcoins' :>)
> >
> > Happy week-end.
> >
> >
> > Kevin Kichinka

Re: [meteorite-list] A Bunch of Irregular Stones I Found (+How I Think They May Have Originated)

[bill kies]

Another case of meteorite psychosis.


> Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2013 14:47:09 -0500
> From: pedricha...@gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Bunch of Irregular Stones I Found (+How I 
> Think They May Have Originated)
> 
> Frank, I thought I had read of a scenario which seemed plausible
> wherein a fusions crust, in the process of flaking off, in a chunk as
> is known to happen, if I am not mistaken, separated partially, was
> "blown" back, yet didn't fully separate before everything cooled off.
> I would be interested to see a picture of slag in which the surface
> has been modified by "mechanical" means similarly as to what is seen
> in the object I've shared, sooner, or later, if it takes a while.
> 
> Peter Richards
> 
> P.S. Graham, regarding your most recent post: You may have been
> courteous, but you clearly weren't especially courteous, since you
> failed to make the effort of explaining, in any depth, as if I may be
> a person of some intelligence, how you reached your conclusion. That
> would have been helpful. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to be
> calling yourself courteous, from my perspective. Telling me to
> research meteorwrongs, slag, and clinkers, does not explain what it is
> I will see when I search for these words that will help me see the
> light, although you claim to have noticed something specifically
> leading you to that conclusion. You don't have to do this, but I
> wouldn't claim to have contributed much, if I didn't. Also, you
> definitely weren't "slagged off," considering I criticized a process
> specifically, and not a person, or decision, generally.
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[meteorite-list] What are we seeing here?

[bill kies]

I'm hesitant to speculate so I must ask. Are these fragments, in this video, 
that have finished generating visible light and are going into dark 
flight/reaching terminal velocity?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzwB7FeJRgA&feature=player_embedded#!
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] EBay "you gotta be kidding me" Now their selling DIRT!!

[bill kies]

The half goes to charity claim is questionable. Other than that I don't see 
anything wrong with the sale of dirt. The seller doesn't claim the material is 
meteoric. Maybe there are some nice spheroids in it :P 

Souvenir dirt and sand from historic places is sold worldwide. I think I have 
some dirt from the Alamo and a sample of Jerusalem sand around somewhere...



> From: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:00:21 -0500
> CC: dmerc...@rochester.rr.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay "you gotta be kidding me" Now their selling 
> DIRT!!
>
> Hi List. Wow like fly's on sh#$. Like ants coming out of the wood work.
> Scammers and thieves.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ground-near-fall-meteorite-Russia-2013-Chelyabinks-asteroid-/261170537371?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccefa239b
>
> or this.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russia-2013-February-15-Chelyabinks-Black-sand-near-fall-meteorite-/261170629214?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ccefb8a5e
>
> Sincerely
> Don Merchant
> Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
> www.ctreasurescwonders.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Identification help

[bill kies]

I'm still waiting for more details from the owner. So far all he told me is "I 
bought it from a rock guy at a show". I'll try and get a sample to do a nickel 
test and etch if needed.

Bill

> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 15:43:47 +
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Identification help
> From: graham.en...@gmail.com
> To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> CC: nightsk...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>
> Hi Bill
>
> What is the story behind it? Does not look like it has been outside or
> buried recently.
>
> Graham
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 3:17 PM, bill kies  wrote:
> >
> > The owner says a magnet is strongly attracted to it. My first impression 
> > was Campo too but my experience with irons is very limited.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > 
> >> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:19:24 -0600
> >> From: nightsk...@gmail.com
> >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Identification help
> >>
> >> Bill,
> >> Is it attracted to a magnet and if so, how strongly does it pull?
> >> Bob
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM, bill kies  
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I just received a few pics of an interesting 30 lb specimen. The 
> >> > gentleman that sent the pics would like to know if this is a meteorite. 
> >> > What do you all think?
> >> >
> >> > http://s1231.beta.photobucket.com/user/Billkies/library/#/user/Billkies/library/SL?&_suid=136037959918709744509734181126
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Bill
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Re: [meteorite-list] Identification help

[bill kies]

The owner says a magnet is strongly attracted to it. My first impression was 
Campo too but my experience with irons is very limited.

Thanks,
Bill


> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 08:19:24 -0600
> From: nightsk...@gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Identification help
>
> Bill,
> Is it attracted to a magnet and if so, how strongly does it pull?
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 9:37 PM, bill kies  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just received a few pics of an interesting 30 lb specimen. The gentleman 
> > that sent the pics would like to know if this is a meteorite. What do you 
> > all think?
> >
> > http://s1231.beta.photobucket.com/user/Billkies/library/#/user/Billkies/library/SL?&_suid=136037959918709744509734181126
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
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[meteorite-list] Identification help

[bill kies]

Hi all,

I just received a few pics of an interesting 30 lb specimen. The gentleman that 
sent the pics would like to know if this is a meteorite. What do you all think?

http://s1231.beta.photobucket.com/user/Billkies/library/#/user/Billkies/library/SL?&_suid=136037959918709744509734181126

Thanks,
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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) more meteorites for sale

[bill kies]

Praise be to Bandito! And Art too of course ;)
 
> From: art.jo...@iscs.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 23:13:45 +
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) more meteorites for sale
> 
> Greetings;
> 
> I've added Bandito's -1 Ad a week- rule to the "written" rules located here: 
> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list.html
> 
> Regards, Art
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Adam Hupe
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 9:47 AM
> To: Adam
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) more meteorites for sale
> 
> Bandito the neighborhood Wind Scorpion has a message for those who break the 
> rules:
> 
> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Shot-8.jpg
> 
> Take Care, Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day (suspended until further notice)

[bill kies]

If all finds are falls and all falls are finds, even though all falls haven't 
been found and all finds have been found, a fall has to be found before it 
becomes a fall or a find, but a find is just a find even though it fell, so 
everything that's found fell and everthing has to fall to be found and a fall 
has to be a find before it's a fall at all and never the twain shall meet?


> Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 01:50:05 -0500
> From: almi...@localnet.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day (suspended until 
> further notice)
>
> Greetings,
>
> I thought falls without witnesses were allege falls??
>
> --AL Mitterling
>
> Quoting h...@meteorhall.com:
>
> > Scientists argue all the time. Discussion is what drives every science.
> > Words are important. I'm impotent...wait, that's from an old joke. See,
> > even spelling is important!
> > Good Night, Fred
> >
> >> People can argue about many things my question is why
>
> So calling them Observed or Unobserved falls is logical. That is what
> happened to all of them.
> That is simple reality.
>
>
> Anne M. Black
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)

[bill kies]

The cacophony produced by that mechanism would whip animal rights people into a 
catastrophic frenzy these days. Here's a site I've been going through.

http://www.edixxon.com/poyet/02_images/1019.html

> From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 03:27:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> 
> Oh, Poyet, Poyet
> 
> That is nothing for Anne & Matthias:
> 
> It's called: Variations on a catatonic scale.
> 
> http://kuerzer.de/OjehPoyet
> 
> Meow
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Martin
> Altmann
> Gesendet: Freitag, 4. Januar 2013 03:12
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> 
> Had we these Poyets already?
> 
> Kool:
> 
> Fig 1.
> http://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/lookandlearn-preview/XM/XM10/XM10012/XM100
> 12377.jpg
> 
> >
> Fig 2.
> http://imagecache5d.allposters.com/watermarker/17-1738-8CY3D00Z.jpg
> 
> ???
> Martin
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)

[bill kies]

Zelimir,

I understand. I just thought there might be some information contained in the 
article about Jean, since he was the nephew of Louis, that might be helpful.

Bill


> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 10:00:49 +0100
> From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr
> To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> You are giving here a wrong reference.
>
> We were speaking about LOUIS Poyet (1846-1913) the famous specialist
> in engravings who lived in Paris.
>
> See here:
>
> http://www.gonefishing.fr/article-le-graveur-du-dimanche-louis-poyet-48802161.html
>
> You refer to JEAN Poyet, a protographer who left thousands of true
> photographs taken between 1902 and 1956 in the Epernay area, whare he
> lived. Click on the first link (video) on your own link.
>
> Unless there is another Poyet in concern ?
>
> I also went through quite a number of Louis Poyet's engravings (Google
> etc) but could not spot anywhere a painting/engraving showing a
> meteorite fall in wheat field...
>
> The hunt continues
>
> Zelimir
> --
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Université de Haute Alsace
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> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
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>
>
> bill kies  a écrit :
>
> >
> > Maybe this one will work.
> >
> > http://memoirephotographiquechampenoise.org/fondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm
> >
> >> From: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> >> To: fuzzf...@comcast.net
> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:46:12 -0600
> >> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >>
> >>
> >> His son was a photographer. Here's an interesting piece.
> >>
> >> http://131.253.14.66/proxy.ashx?h=I16l_o4Ri25lLYlb-Q009NPpP3R-7NiB&a=http%3A%2F%2Fmemoirephotographiquechampenoise.org%2Ffondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm
> >>
> >> 
> >> > From: fuzzf...@comcast.net
> >> > To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:28:07 -0800
> >> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir!
> >> >
> >> > One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is
> >> > Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who 
> >> > specialized
> >> > in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous
> >> > 19th c. French magazines, mostly "La Nature".
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > Hi Mike, List,
> >> >
> >> > Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais
> >> fall report:
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Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)

[bill kies]

Maybe this one will work.

http://memoirephotographiquechampenoise.org/fondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm

> From: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> To: fuzzf...@comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:46:12 -0600
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
>
>
> His son was a photographer. Here's an interesting piece.
>
> http://131.253.14.66/proxy.ashx?h=I16l_o4Ri25lLYlb-Q009NPpP3R-7NiB&a=http%3A%2F%2Fmemoirephotographiquechampenoise.org%2Ffondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm
>
> 
> > From: fuzzf...@comcast.net
> > To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:28:07 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >
> > Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir!
> >
> > One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is
> > Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who specialized
> > in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous
> > 19th c. French magazines, mostly "La Nature".
> >
> > --
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> > Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu,
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:05 PM
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> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
> >
> > Hi Mike, List,
> >
> > Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais fall report:
> >
> > --
> > "On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St
> > Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near
> > parallel 40° North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots
> > ("bangs") comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise (rumbling
> > ?) resembling a shooting.
> >
> > People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the
> > direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion
> > smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that day) the whole
> > skies.
> >
> > 2 farmers (Perrotin father & son) noticed an ignited object falling in the
> > South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could
> > notice the exact place where the object hit the ground.
> >
> > Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next day, a Mr.
> > Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense
> > stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on
> > the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. 
> >
> > The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the neighboring villages
> > could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever
> > existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they were never
> > FOUND...) .
> > -
> >
> > The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics, probably not
> > worth further translation.
> >
> > This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the
> > issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as
> > myself, would agree.
> >
> > Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was obviously
> > the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any wheat (or
> > alike) in the fields
> >
> > Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be "a view of an artist",
> > possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?)
> >
> > More ideas ?
> >
> > Zelimir
> > --
> > Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> > Université de Haute Alsace
> > ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC,
> > 3, Rue A. Werner,
> > F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> > Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
> >
> >
> > Mike Bandli  a écrit :
> >
> > >
> > > Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January!
> > The
> > > mystery continues.
> > >
> > > Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and
> > > 

Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)

[bill kies]

His son was a photographer. Here's an interesting piece.

http://131.253.14.66/proxy.ashx?h=I16l_o4Ri25lLYlb-Q009NPpP3R-7NiB&a=http%3A%2F%2Fmemoirephotographiquechampenoise.org%2Ffondspoyet.article.sauveta.htm


> From: fuzzf...@comcast.net
> To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 15:28:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
>
> Many thanks for the quick translation, Zelimir!
>
> One other tidbit that might help with searches. The artist's full name is
> Louis Poyet (1846-1913). He was a remarkable French artist who specialized
> in engravings. It looks like he had many engravings published in numerous
> 19th c. French magazines, mostly "La Nature".
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 3:05 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt (and French Fall)
>
> Hi Mike, List,
>
> Here is a rapid translation of the essentials of the St Caprais fall report:
>
> --
> "On Sunday January 28, 1883 at 2:45 (p.m.) the whole population of St
> Caprais, Gironde Department (ZG Note: This is the Bordeaux area, thus near
> parallel 40° North) was frightened by a series of 5 violent shots
> ("bangs") comparable to cannon shots, which were followed a noise (rumbling
> ?) resembling a shooting.
>
> People who stood outside their houses noticed a black cloud towards the
> direction where the noise came from: the black cloud was like an explosion
> smoke, very different from the ordinary clouds covering (that day) the whole
> skies.
>
> 2 farmers (Perrotin father & son) noticed an ignited object falling in the
> South-East direction, so close from where they stood so that they could
> notice the exact place where the object hit the ground.
>
> Nobody considered seeking the aerolite the same day. But the next day, a Mr.
> Elliot, having consulted the witnesses, found at that exact place a dense
> stone weighing 282.5 grams, burried 0.1 meter deep, the hole dimensions on
> the surface being 0.06 x 0.04 m. 
>
> The number of shots heard at St Caprais and in the neighboring villages
> could assume the presence of other fragments; but the latter, if ever
> existed, were never collected (ZG note: it is not said that they were never
> FOUND...) .
> -
>
> The rest of the text deals with some aerolite characteristics, probably not
> worth further translation.
>
> This is thus a rapid translation of the major events of interest for the
> issue, of concern. I believe Bernd, who is sure as fluent in French as
> myself, would agree.
>
> Apparently this does not trow more light to the mystery as it was obviously
> the winter time and even around Bordeaux, there should not be any wheat (or
> alike) in the fields
>
> Bernd is right to point out that this painting can be "a view of an artist",
> possibly painted some time after the event (perhaps in Summer time ?)
>
> More ideas ?
>
> Zelimir
> --
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Université de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>
>
> Mike Bandli  a écrit :
>
> >
> > Excellent observation, Bernd! Indeed, the grass is too high for January!
> The
> > mystery continues.
> >
> > Perhaps Zelimir can tell us if there is anything in Lespiault and
> > Forquignon's report that corroborates any of the features of Poyet's
> > illustration. Here is a link to the original report (in French):
> >
> > http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre?O=NUMM-3053&I=1022&M=tdm
> >
> > I love these kinds of meteorite mysteries. Let's solve it! I'll keep
> > looking...
> >
> > Mike Bandli
> >
> > --
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Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt

[bill kies]

Meteorite related or not, that one is still compelling given the direct strike 
to one room after passing beneath the Roman aqueduct.


> From: schr...@bigpond.com
> To: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 09:45:22 +1030
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt
>
> Hello Zelimir,
> thank you for correcting my mistake.
>
> It's funny how the same words have different meanings in various languages
> and since I'm bilingual I should have know better and checked first.
>
> Under these circumstances I will reconsider the purchase of the painting.
>
> Thanks again and all the best.
>
> Werner Schroer
> Australia
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de HauteAlsace ENSCMu,
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 2:58 AM
> To: W&S Schroer
> Cc: bill kies ; Meteorite List
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> This painting by Poyet does not represent a meteorite fall but a
> lightning strike (in Fench "éclair"), more precisely a globe lighting
> ("éclair en boule".
> The word "trajet du météore" (in the figure caption) literary means
> "path of the meteor".
> Though, in French, "meteore" does not designate a meteorite but a
> meteor (meteoric phenomenon, such as rain, hail, gale, thunder,
> lightning)
>
> But you are also free to collect paintings of terrestrial meteoric
> (not meteoritic) phanomena of course
>
> A happy New-Year to all the List with a lots of meteor(ites) of any
> kind to fall into your yards...
>
> Zelimir
> --
> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
> Université de Haute Alsace
> ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC,
> 3, Rue A. Werner,
> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>
>
> W&S Schroer  a écrit :
>
> > Hi Bill, listoids,
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/a7yh8f9
> >
> > Here is another painting by Poyet of a meteor fall.
> >
> > I personally like paintings/drawings that relate to meteors and since the
> > price seems to be reasonable I might order it.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Werner Schroer
> > Australia
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: bill kies
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 7:53 PM
> > To: schr...@bigpond.com
> > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] T-shirt
> >
> >
> > Thanks Werner,
> >
> > I'll spend some time researching the artist. He must have been inspired.
> >
> > Best to you,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> > 
> >> From: schr...@bigpond.com
> >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:10:21 +1030
> >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt
> >>
> >> Hello Bill, listoids,
> >>
> >> http://kgs.uky.edu/kgsweb/olops/pub/kgs/sp01_12.pdf
> >>
> >> Go down to page two, there's a photo and a description of the painting.
> >> It
> >> seems it doesn't relate to a specific fall since there was none in France
> >> in
> >> the year 1883.
> >>
> >> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> >>
> >> A happy and healthy new year to all of you.
> >>
> >> Werner Schroer
> >> Australia
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: bill kies
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:33 PM
> >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >> Subject: [meteorite-list] T-shirt
> >>
> >>
> >> I forgot to ask. Which event is this?
> >>
> >> http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/Billkies/met_zpsdae03d59.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt

[bill kies]

Thanks Werner,

I'll spend some time researching the artist. He must have been inspired.

Best to you,
Bill

 

> From: schr...@bigpond.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 15:10:21 +1030
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] T-shirt
>
> Hello Bill, listoids,
>
> http://kgs.uky.edu/kgsweb/olops/pub/kgs/sp01_12.pdf
>
> Go down to page two, there's a photo and a description of the painting. It
> seems it doesn't relate to a specific fall since there was none in France in
> the year 1883.
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> A happy and healthy new year to all of you.
>
> Werner Schroer
> Australia
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bill kies
> Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 12:33 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] T-shirt
>
>
> I forgot to ask. Which event is this?
>
> http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/Billkies/met_zpsdae03d59.jpg
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[meteorite-list] T-shirt

[bill kies]

I forgot to ask. Which event is this?

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/Billkies/met_zpsdae03d59.jpg  
  
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[meteorite-list] T-shirt

[bill kies]

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me who produces this T-shirt?

http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/Billkies/met_zpsdae03d59.jpg

Thanks and have a safe holiday,
Bill Kieskowki
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Re: [meteorite-list] End of the World - NOT!

[bill kies]

I'm not going to google blue lifegem.

 

> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:41:08 -0600
> From: b1dunov...@aol.com
> To: robert.d.mat...@saic.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] End of the World - NOT!
>
> I surely do.
>
> I intend to be turned into a Blue LifeGem and let free to forever roam our 
> vast universe, passing planets, comets, asteroids, moons, and the great wide 
> open in-between and beyond... At least that's the plan.
>
> What's more forever than that?
>
> Brandon D.
>
> "Matson, Robert D."  wrote:
>
> >In the words of Steven Wright, "I intend to live forever. So far
> >so good."
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] End of the World - NOT!

[bill kies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CPC0cCagOE


> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 19:35:41 -0800
> From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] End of the World - NOT!
>
> I don't think they cared much about time zones but their calendar was more 
> accurate than the one in use today. They had no need for leap years so you 
> don't need to worry about them being a day or two off.
>
> They were a brilliant but brutal civilization.
>
> On another note, I have never seen so many airplane com trails as I have seen 
> in the blue skies here today in Nevada. It looks like a lot of people are 
> bugging out to Vegas to empty their bank accounts or at least bring on the 
> end of the world as we know it in style.
>
> My prediction is that there will be a lot of hungover people on the 22nd 
> Pacific Standard Time
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] End of the World - NOT!

[bill kies]

Were the Mayans aware of such a thing as time zones?

 
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:35:15 -0800
> From: j...@cabassi.net
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] End of the World - NOT!
> 
> I have to agree with you Anne. My mum & dad are still alive, it's
> around mid-day in Australia and nothing's happened yet. Maybe it will
> only affect this half??
> 
> Cheers
> John
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Anne Black  wrote:
> >>
> >> Since European friends report that they are alive and well, and that
> >> nothing unusual has happened today, my End-of-the-World Sale has been
> >> cancelled undefinitely. ;-)
> >>
> >> Have a great Holiday Season!
> >>
> >>
> >> Anne M. Black
> >> www.IMPACTIKA.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] how do you get off desert varnish from a oriented stone?

[bill kies]

Desert varnish in itself shouldn't obscure flow lines. He must mean caliche.


> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:57:34 -0600
> From: chicagosteve1...@gmail.com
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] how do you get off desert varnish from a oriented 
> stone?
>
> Hi list. I have a real nice 31 gram oriented stone that has desert
> varnish on one side. It has very nice flow lines under it that I would
> like to see more of. Can someone please tell me how to that varnish
> off. Thanks and have a great day.
>
> --
> Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill.
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Re: [meteorite-list] OFF LIST: BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

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The "don't rock the boat" attitude is ALWAYS a mistake.

 
> From: nick.gess...@duke.edu
> To: d...@dougross.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 19:13:12 +
> Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF LIST: BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
> 
> Doug,
> 
> I fully agree with you...
> 
> Cheers, Nick
> 
> Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D.
> nick.gess...@duke.edu
> http://isis.duke.edu/gessler
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> INFORMATION SCIENCE & INFORMATION STUDIES
> Duke University, Durham, North Carolina
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> Multiagent Complex Systems / ISIS-170, CompSci-107, VisMedStudies-172
> ESPIONAGE, CRYPTOLOGY & PSYCHOLOGICAL OPERATIONS
> Networks of Trust, Secrecy & Deception / ISIS-235, CultAnth-226
> METEORITES & SOLAR SYSTEM HISTORY
> History of & Simulations in the Science of Meteoritics / ISIS-230, 
> EarthOceanSci-230
> 
> 
> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com 
> [meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] on behalf of Doug Ross 
> [d...@dougross.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 1:49 PM
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> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
> 
> This "Meteorite List" is turning into a "Politics List"! lol I can understand 
> both sides of the debate, and as a small time private hunter, sure I would 
> like for the BLM to explicitly grant me broad, unrestricted permission to 
> hunt meteorites to my heart's content on public land. But is that likely to 
> happen? Of course not. As it stands, I don't feel particularly hindered by 
> the current guidelines. My concern is that mounting an aggressive campaign to 
> elicit a revision in these guidelines could backfire. The easiest answer for 
> a bureaucrat to give, when pressed for a response, is "No". I'm happy to 
> support any effort to document the accomplishments and contributions to 
> meteoritical science by private hunters. I just hope that it is handled in a 
> way that doesn't provoke an outright hunting ban by the Feds next year.
> 
> Doug Ross
> d...@dougross.net
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012

[bill kies]

Thank you Anne. That would be my only birthday meteorite and no doubt a very 
rare one, acquisition wise. Hopefully something will come of this new Texas 
fireball!

Thanks again,
Bill


> To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012
> From: impact...@aol.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 00:59:43 -0500
>
> Yes Bill, there is one:
>
> Tourinnes-la-Grosse:
>
> On December 7, 1863, at 11:30, near Tourinnes-la-Grosse, near Louvain,
> central Belgium. After detonations, 2 stones fell, one of about 7 kg
> was found in a wood, and the other of about 7.5kg was seen to fall.
> Ordinary Chondrite L6. Main mass in the Museum of Natural History in
> Paris.
>
> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Tourinnes-la-Grosse&sfor=names&ants=&falls=&valids=&stype=contains&lrec=50&map=ge&browse=&country=All&srt=name&categ=All&mblist=All&rect=&phot=&snew=0&pnt=Normal
> table&code=24038
>
>
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> impact...@aol.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: bill kies 
> To: parkforestmet 
> Cc: meteorite-list 
> Sent: Fri, Dec 7, 2012 8:10 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012
>
>
>
> Was just reminded that a witnessed fall and a find are both recoveries
> :P Point
> was whether there are any meteorite recoveries dated December seventh
> of any
> year.
>
> Thanks
>
> 
> > From: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> > To: chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com
> > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:34:56 -0600
> > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Has there ever been another meteorite, witnessed fall or recovered,
> with the
> designated date 12/07/any year? I did a cursory search with no results.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > 
> > > From: chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com
> > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:53:05 -0800
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012
> > >
> > > Howdy all
> > >
> > > I forgot to send this email earlier today - my apologies. The
> > > Galactic Analytics team has located a meteorite fall from the large
> > > meteor that occurred north of Houston early this morning. This
> bolide
> > > was seen as far away as western New Mexico, on an allsky camera
> > > operating as a part of Bill Cooke's NASA network. More radar data
> will
> > > be available when the short-range radar at Houston Intercontinental
> > > airport, but for now the NEXRAD imagery shows the location of the
> > > fall. Early indications are that this was a physically tough, well-
> > > consolidated meteorite similar to Battle Mountain (but not
> necessarily
> > > an L6 like Battle Mountain). The first-pass data, complete with fall
> > > location, can be found at the link below. Further updates are
> > > forthcoming.
> > >
> > > http://www.galacticanalytics.com/?p=987
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > The Galactic Analytics team
> > > __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past

[bill kies]

Shawn,

You are a member of the IMCA. I shouldn't have to do homework when I buy from 
you. When I ask for provenance in advance you should cheerfully provide it. I 
never questioned the authenticity of your material. I only asked for assurance 
prior to making a bid. 

Is there really anyone that's going to try and undermine you at the source? 
Maybe, but I'm not one to pulverize micro's and I knew of your sources before 
you even considered meteorite collecting. I'll look up our private discussion 
on ebay if it's still there and let you decide who initiated rudeness. I 
believe I have it in a file somewhere.

Seasoned Gratings,
Bill

  

> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:36:41 -0800
> From: photoph...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
> To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>
> Bill if you did your homework you would see I posted my provinces in the past 
> on the LIST, but wait that would matter cause you have no intensions of 
> buying from me. Lastly, if I was rude to you on eBay, it was because you were 
> rude to me first. You have a great night Bill and happy holidays to you Bill 
> :)
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: bill kies 
> To: photoph...@yahoo.com
> Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 8:49 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>
>
> 1633,
>
> I don't recollect ever ganging up against you with anyone here or elsewhere. 
> I simply asked for provenance concerning one of your ebay offerings and you 
> were as rude through ebay, without knowing me there, as you are without 
> knowing me here.
>
> I don't expect you to explain yourself. I cringe at the thought. I only asked 
> that you explain the origins of your crumbs before I bid. And by the way, I 
> doubt dropping names will help you join "the best in the bizzness".
>
> Just Plain Bill
>
> 
> > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:22:05 -0800
> > From: photoph...@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> > with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
> > To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >
> > Billy Billy Billy Bi
> >
> > Your too much. your going to do this again. Its funny, not to long ago 
> > you did this with some other member on the List and tried to gang up on me. 
> > Bill, you know this and I know this, you have never bought a meteorite from 
> > me and you will never will. I have been contacted by people in the past and 
> > the only reason why they want to know where I got the meteorite from, is so 
> > they can go to that source and never buy from me. Any WHOS, I buy from the 
> > best, ask Anne, Blain, Matt Morgan, Rob Elliot, EV, Mr Blood to name a few 
> > :) and I have done trades with the best in the bizzness. I do not need to 
> > explain myself to you BILL and I have already explained many times where I 
> > get my meteorites from on the List.
> >
> > Shawn Alan
> > IMCA 1633
> > eBay store
> > http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: bill kies 
> > To: photoph...@yahoo.com
> > Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> > 
> > Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:57 PM
> > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> > with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
> >
> >
> > Shawn,
> >
> > Thanks for the clarification. I feel safe now. On another note, I'd like to 
> > know why you refuse provenance until after your sales. I'd like to know the 
> > source before I bid. Not too much to ask I think. You explained that 
> > prospective buyers might try to circumvent you if they know your source but 
> > I don't think that applies to some of your micro offerings as they are so 
> > incredibly rare. Please explain further.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> >
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:31:41 -0800
> > > From: photoph...@yahoo.com
> > > To: meteoritem...@gmai

Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past

[bill kies]

1633,

I don't recollect ever ganging up against you with anyone here or elsewhere. I 
simply asked for provenance concerning one of your ebay offerings and you were 
as rude through ebay, without knowing me there, as you are without knowing me 
here. 

I don't expect you to explain yourself. I cringe at the thought. I only asked 
that you explain the origins of your crumbs before I bid. And by the way, I 
doubt dropping names will help you join "the best in the bizzness".

Just Plain Bill


> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:22:05 -0800
> From: photoph...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
> To: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>
> Billy Billy Billy Bi
>
> Your too much. your going to do this again. Its funny, not to long ago 
> you did this with some other member on the List and tried to gang up on me. 
> Bill, you know this and I know this, you have never bought a meteorite from 
> me and you will never will. I have been contacted by people in the past and 
> the only reason why they want to know where I got the meteorite from, is so 
> they can go to that source and never buy from me. Any WHOS, I buy from the 
> best, ask Anne, Blain, Matt Morgan, Rob Elliot, EV, Mr Blood to name a few :) 
> and I have done trades with the best in the bizzness. I do not need to 
> explain myself to you BILL and I have already explained many times where I 
> get my meteorites from on the List.
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBay store
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: bill kies 
> To: photoph...@yahoo.com
> Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> 
> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 7:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>
>
> Shawn,
>
> Thanks for the clarification. I feel safe now. On another note, I'd like to 
> know why you refuse provenance until after your sales. I'd like to know the 
> source before I bid. Not too much to ask I think. You explained that 
> prospective buyers might try to circumvent you if they know your source but I 
> don't think that applies to some of your micro offerings as they are so 
> incredibly rare. Please explain further.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> 
> > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:31:41 -0800
> > From: photoph...@yahoo.com
> > To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> > with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
> >
> > Hello Mike G and Listers
> >
> > Awhile back I had also posted something on the List about galeriacores on 
> > ebay about questionable meteorites he has sold
> > and also his past in trying to sell fake meteorites.
> >
> > The first link is a 7g moon meteorite with a starting bid at $550.00 in 
> > July 2011 trying to
> > be sold by galeriacores
> > http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220806608402.pdf
> > The second link is another moon meteorite with a starting price for $650 in 
> > July 2011
> > with no reserve at 5 grams
> > http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220807099130.pdf
> >
> > The third link is another lunar meteorite posted to ebay on the same day as 
> > the others
> > with a starting price of $455 at 5 grams. Right now this is a total of 17g 
> > of Lunar meteorites
> > being sold for $1600, that's an heard of.
> >
> > http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220807099130.pdf
> >
> > Here are a couple more links of other items galeriacores was trying to sell 
> > on eBay
> > http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220807514879.pdf
> > http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220809004478.pdf
> >
> > In addition to those post I was also informed by another List member about 
> > galeriacores
> > buying and meteorite wrong for around $200 on eBay and then turning around
> > and trying to sell it for $5000 on ebay. The links are down below...
> > http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/160596972103.pdf
> > http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220806740213.pdf
> >
> > I had confronted 

Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and with a certain seller.... & they try to sell fake lunars in the past

[bill kies]

Shawn,

Thanks for the clarification. I feel safe now. On another note, I'd like to 
know why you refuse provenance until after your sales. I'd like to know the 
source before I bid. Not too much to ask I think. You explained that 
prospective buyers might try to circumvent you if they know your source but I 
don't think that applies to some of your micro offerings as they are so 
incredibly rare. Please explain further.

Thanks,
Bill


> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 19:31:41 -0800
> From: photoph...@yahoo.com
> To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> with a certain seller & they try to sell fake lunars in the past
>
> Hello Mike G and Listers
>
> Awhile back I had also posted something on the List about galeriacores on 
> ebay about questionable meteorites he has sold
> and also his past in trying to sell fake meteorites.
>
> The first link is a 7g moon meteorite with a starting bid at $550.00 in July 
> 2011 trying to
> be sold by galeriacores
> http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220806608402.pdf
> The second link is another moon meteorite with a starting price for $650 in 
> July 2011
> with no reserve at 5 grams
> http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220807099130.pdf
>
> The third link is another lunar meteorite posted to ebay on the same day as 
> the others
> with a starting price of $455 at 5 grams. Right now this is a total of 17g of 
> Lunar meteorites
> being sold for $1600, that's an heard of.
>
> http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220807099130.pdf
>
> Here are a couple more links of other items galeriacores was trying to sell 
> on eBay
> http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220807514879.pdf
> http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220809004478.pdf
>
> In addition to those post I was also informed by another List member about 
> galeriacores
> buying and meteorite wrong for around $200 on eBay and then turning around
> and trying to sell it for $5000 on ebay. The links are down below...
> http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/160596972103.pdf
> http://meteorite-identification.com/ebay/SSeller/galeriacores/220806740213.pdf
>
> I had confronted galeriacores about the lunars he was trying to pass off as 
> real
> meteorites and all he could say was those we hard times. I see a few of the 
> meteorites
> he has sold are questionable and I have bought a meteorite from him which is 
> very questionable
> and need to have tests done. I can say this, I suggested to him to go on
> meteorite central to clean his name when I called him out and he said we 
> wasn't going to.
>
> I have noticed he has real meteorites for sale, the cheap ones, and then he 
> has super rare
> and expensive ones that look to good to be true. From the past auctions he 
> has done in trying to
> pass of fake rocks as real meteorites, I would say it safe to assume that 
> there might
> be meteorite hes selling that are questionable today, and I hope that the 
> people
> that have boughten meteorites from him keep them far away from the meteorite 
> community
> until this matter is dealt with.
>
> Again, I am going by what I have seen in the past, what I got from him, and 
> the fake lunar he was try to sell
> off as real meteorites.
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: MikeG 
> To: Meteorite List 
> Cc:
> Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Something is rotten on the web, on eBay, and 
> with a certain seller.
>
> Hi Listees,
>
> I received many emails privately from concerned collectors. I think
> it is time to reveal what I know and to let the collector public
> decide what to do with their specimens that may be impacted by this.
>
> First, I do not have currently, or in the past, any material from this
> person. So I have no personal dog in this fight. My motivation is
> concern for the integrity of collections and the collector market in
> general. One bad apple can make the entire bushel look bad.
>
> As of now, I am acting primarily on my own in revealing this. A
> couple of other dealers are aware of the issue, but I will not speak
> for them or name drop. They can chime in later if they feel the need.
> Everyone agrees that this person is engaged in some questionable
> behavior that calls into question the authenticity of some of the
> specimens they sell.
>
> If this person reads this, and they want to 

Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012

[bill kies]

Was just reminded that a witnessed fall and a find are both recoveries :P Point 
was whether there are any meteorite recoveries dated December seventh of any 
year.

Thanks


> From: parkforest...@hotmail.com
> To: chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 20:34:56 -0600
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Has there ever been another meteorite, witnessed fall or recovered, with the 
> designated date 12/07/any year? I did a cursory search with no results.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill
>
> 
> > From: chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:53:05 -0800
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012
> >
> > Howdy all
> >
> > I forgot to send this email earlier today - my apologies. The
> > Galactic Analytics team has located a meteorite fall from the large
> > meteor that occurred north of Houston early this morning. This bolide
> > was seen as far away as western New Mexico, on an allsky camera
> > operating as a part of Bill Cooke's NASA network. More radar data will
> > be available when the short-range radar at Houston Intercontinental
> > airport, but for now the NEXRAD imagery shows the location of the
> > fall. Early indications are that this was a physically tough, well-
> > consolidated meteorite similar to Battle Mountain (but not necessarily
> > an L6 like Battle Mountain). The first-pass data, complete with fall
> > location, can be found at the link below. Further updates are
> > forthcoming.
> >
> > http://www.galacticanalytics.com/?p=987
> >
> > Cheers,
> > The Galactic Analytics team
> > __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012

[bill kies]

Hi all,

Has there ever been another meteorite, witnessed fall or recovered, with the 
designated date 12/07/any year? I did a cursory search with no results.

Thanks,
Bill


> From: chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 17:53:05 -0800
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite fall 07 Dec 2012
>
> Howdy all
>
> I forgot to send this email earlier today - my apologies. The
> Galactic Analytics team has located a meteorite fall from the large
> meteor that occurred north of Houston early this morning. This bolide
> was seen as far away as western New Mexico, on an allsky camera
> operating as a part of Bill Cooke's NASA network. More radar data will
> be available when the short-range radar at Houston Intercontinental
> airport, but for now the NEXRAD imagery shows the location of the
> fall. Early indications are that this was a physically tough, well-
> consolidated meteorite similar to Battle Mountain (but not necessarily
> an L6 like Battle Mountain). The first-pass data, complete with fall
> location, can be found at the link below. Further updates are
> forthcoming.
>
> http://www.galacticanalytics.com/?p=987
>
> Cheers,
> The Galactic Analytics team
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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

[bill kies]

Michael,

You're saying shut up or it might get worse? I think the discussion is more 
important than the outcome.

 

> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:48:45 -0800
> From: mlbl...@cox.net
> To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com
> CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
>
> Hi Michael and all,
> I have opinions about these things and in the next METEORITE MARKET
> TRENDS in the January issue of METEORITE TIMES I will address them.
> In the mean time, folks, the louder we yell about this the more
> likely we are to create resistance to impacting this situation positively.
> Pissing and moaning and pointing fingers seems to be very popular
> Among the American public in general and on this list in particular, but I
> Believe that continuing on with this issue in this forum has real potential
> To cripple any "diplomatic" steps to impact this situation that might
> possibly be achieved.
> Best to all, Michael
>
> On 12/3/12 8:18 AM, "Met. Michael Gilmer"  wrote:
>
> > Every inch of BLM land and all of America was stolen from native
> > American Indians - the true owners of this land. Not the government,
> > not some flag-waving redneck whose ancestors butchered, lied, and
> > raped their way into ownership of it. Gloss over it with history
> > books all you want, but this belly-aching about our land being usurped
> > by the government sounds awfully familiar to someone with Indian
> > ancestry. BLM stole "your" land? Here's some smallpox-infected
> > blankets to wipe your tears with.
> >
> > I don't like these new BLM regulations either. I think it's a
> > power-grab. I think if it is enforced strictly, it will hurt science
> > and all meteorite recovery.
> >
> > But get off this rigtheous nonsense about the land belonging to the
> > people - it's nonsense. We own it because we stole it by force. How
> > is that any different than what the BLM is trying to do now? Feel
> > violated? Imagine. Ask an Indian about this issue, if you can find
> > one.
> >
> > Best regards and happy hunting,
> >
> > MikeG
> >
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy

[bill kies]

If you look at all the regulatory horrors that have been heaped on us over the 
last 40 years in every aspect of our lives, this seems incidental. The last 
stand, our real estate, has been stripped of it's value erasing generations of 
work. It isn't surprising that meteorites are being eyeballed. The media hype 
is an ongoing mistake. 

 


> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 18:07:56 -0800
> From: mlbl...@cox.net
> To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Meteorite Recovery Policy
>
> Perhaps we should all stop collecting & selling meteorites. Also, stop
> giving to, selling or trading with institutions.
> All of these things "bring attention to" meteorites and the fact
> They are collected and valued by a very small few.
> Michael
>
> On 12/2/12 2:40 PM, "Adam Hupe"  wrote:
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > I don't see how I can be wrong when I am basically quoting what was stated
> > the Meteorite Recovery Act. I avoid the press and have turned down more
> > interviews that I have accepted. If the first question out of a reporters'
> > mouth is "how much is it worth?", I usually end the interview. When we are
> > talking about a key piece, I will quote a price so that they do not try to
> > appraise the piece themselves which has happened numerous times in the past.
> > I find it best to avoid the media.
> >
> >
> > It states right in the Recovery policy that "recent media attention
> > has increased public interest in meteorites as well as confusion"
> >
> > Here is the exact context:
> >
> > "However, recent media attention
> > has increased public interest in meteorites as well as confusion about
> > the legality of and limits to casual and commercial collection. Courts
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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) FINAL METEORITES FORSALE

[bill kies]

Art. Please stop this or at least tell us why it's ok.

Thanks,
Bill


> Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:12:58 -0600
> From: chicagosteve1...@gmail.com
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] (AD) FINAL METEORITES FORSALE
>
> Hello again list. The 294 gram and the 140 gram stones were sold. But
> I have a 187 gram unclassed stone with jet black contraction cracked
> fusion crust 75% $350 obo, a 46 gram oriented unclassed stone $50,
> another 17 gram unclassed stone $25,nwa 1685 5.9 gram endcut,, $75 (im
> surprised this one has not gone yet), and finally a 135 gram 94%
> crusted black unclassed stone $200 obo. That is it. No more to sell.
> All offers off list with free shipping.
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> Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill.
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