[meteorite-list] AD: More Moss carbonaceous CO3 pieces added to my page, now some large

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Added several more fresh "Moss" CO3 pieces to my page, see link below.
Fell in Moss, Østfold, Norway on July 14, 2006.
There is now among others a georgeous 23.56 gram and a 95 gram,
The last one took a hard beating when it hit our modern world, which shows -
a unique real "hammer".

www.tinyurl.com/mossco3sale


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[meteorite-list] AD: More Moss carbonaceous CO3 pieces added to my page, now some large

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Added several more fresh "Moss" CO3 pieces to my page, see link below.
Fell in Moss, Østfold, Norway on July 14, 2006.
There is now among others a georgeous 23.56 gram and a 95 gram,
The last one took a hard beating when it hit our modern world, which shows -
a unique real "hammer".
Many smaller ones.

Link:
tinyurl.com/mossco3sale

( mark, copy and paste this link into the adress line of your browser )

Regards,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Bjorn Sorheim]

The finnish and swedish text above the Luotolax oriented stone from
NHM, Helsinki  reads:

"In Savitipale one heard on December 13 1813 at 10 o'clock, a thunderlike 
rumbling

and saw "black clouds" that moved fast. Numerous meteoritestones fell down
in the field and at the frozen lake. This peace found its place by the general-
governor F. Steinheil. The sample's weight is 258 grams. Notice the black-
shining fused crust!"

Clear skies,
Bjørn Sørheim

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Rock type

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Thanks for sending me your reflections on this image.
I got quite a variety of rock types suggested.
So this seems difficult without more information.

Here are the types you suggested:
-Basalt
-Pillow lava(basalt), with a degree of metamorphosis
-Quartzite
-Gneiss, with banded texture
-Limestone schist or Serpentinite (latter from gabbro or peridotite)
-Shale
-Shale with concretions

The rock layers in the first image have a  band of white marble (10-15 cm) 
overlain by a
layer of dark grey clay containing much lime (about 50 cm), seemingly only 
little

metamorphosed. While the layers over and under seems much folded - if that is
what they are - these two layers are fairly straight. A lot of mostly 
whitish stones are
visible in them. Seems a bit strange that the layers should be so straight 
while the

layers under and above are undulating so much.
An explanation could be that the undulating layers are felsic lava. Does 
this seem likely from

what you see in the 3 images? And do the white stones suggest any clues?

Two images of the layers:
tinyurl.com/l4aqx83
tinyurl.com/k6lzfh7

Bjørn





> From: Bjorn Sorheim [astro...@online.no]

> List,
> Sorry this is off topic.
> This has nothing to do with meteorites.
>
> But I'm trying with some interest to determine which rock type is in the
> picture on the link.
> I need an 'international' answer, so this list could do the trick, I hope.
> So if you have any idea about earthly rock types, I would like to hear your
> opinion.
> You don't have to be a geologist to do it. If you have seen a similar rock
> type, what
> would you term this rock type in the image?
> Since this is off topic might be best to mail me off list.
> Considered mailing this to sci.geo.geology but too there is just too 
much spam.

>
> The link:  tinyurl.com/rollingstx
>
> All the best,
> Bjørn Sørheim
>

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[meteorite-list] OT: Rock type

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Sorry this is off topic.
This has nothing to do with meteorites.

But I'm trying with some interest to determine which rock type is in the 
picture on the link.

I need an 'international' answer, so this list could do the trick, I hope.
So if you have any idea about earthly rock types, I would like to hear your 
opinion.
You don't have to be a geologist to do it. If you have seen a similar rock 
type, what

would you term this rock type in the image?
Since this is off topic might be best to mail me off list.
Considered mailing this to sci.geo.geology but too there is just too much spam.

The link:  tinyurl.com/rollingstx

All the best,
Bjørn Sørheim 


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[meteorite-list] AD: New page for Moss CO3 sales - carbonaceous meteorite fall 2006

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Have made a page with some good images of a large part
of my remaining 'Moss'  CO3 pieces on a first come, first served basis,

see:
tinyurl.com/mossco3sale

more info:
tinyurl.com/astrogeo2013

(works best with Firefox/Google Chrome)
New low prices!

Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] AD: 3 CO3.6 Moss fragments - carbonaceous chondrite fall 2006

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Fell in Moss, Østfold, Norway on July 14, 2006.
Ending in two days:

5.73 g
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161019652050

3.67 g
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161019628505

1.81 g
http://www.ebay.com/itm/161019611984

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[meteorite-list] AD: 3 CO3.6 Moss fragments - carbonaceous chondrite fall 2006

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Fell in Moss, Østfold, Norway on July 14, 2006.
Ending in two days:

5.73 g
www.ebay.com/itm/161019652050

3.67 g
www.ebay.com/itm/161019628505

1.81 g
www.ebay.com/itm/161019611984

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[meteorite-list] Chebarkul, Russia - Pultusk peas 2.0?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Looking at the images I posted earlier today and the other smaller
fragments goverment scientists collected plus information about 1000+
small black meteorites from maybe one village, it seems this fall
deserves to be compared to the massive fall of pea-sized meteorites
like Pultusk, Poland 1868 (H5).

An asteroid with 1 tons of mass will retain a very large percentage
of its cosmic velocity, so the energy will break it up in probably just
smaller fragments. So maybe what is out there in South Ural is
mostly these meteorite peas?
On the light side The Pultusk fall with 18! total fragments had
200 over 1 kg, with largest 9 kg, so there is still hope...

Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] Somewhat larger Chebarkul pieces off Russia 24 TV now

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I just photographed somewhat larger meteorites from
Chelyabinsk/Chebarkul area off the russian TV channel Russia 24.
Not so big, but improving.

Starting with image 36 the two first is what local kids collected,
the next 3 is what a local woman had found. The last images
is what state searchers collected probably from the lake.
Found here (copy the link to the browser):

home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/

Bjørn

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Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Bob,
The link below support strongly (from Robin Whittle post, thanks to him)
the trajectory of the lower image in my first link. From the videos it is 
found that

the bolide travelled almost right overYemanzhelinsk which is south of Korkino,
which are two suburbs south of Chelyabinsk. Then continuing straight to
the Lake Chebarkul impact site. So a roughly 120 azimuth path seems the
correct one, bending slightly to the west after an explosion near 
Yemanzhelinsk.

That means it came actually from southeast, not from northeast!

Why the Meteosat 9 image (top one) is so far off, I can't explain. It was 
taken at 9:15,

so is it really showing the meteor cloud? It seems to have an enormous size
also, when considering the scale of the image. The video of the meteor 
travel in the link

below indicates that one was shot at 9:20:28 forwards.
Using SkyMap Pro I get a sunrise time of 9:16:33 and an azimuth for the sun at
9:20:20 at 111 deg 48',  as seen from the suburb Yemanzhelinsk,
so not far off my estimate.

ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math

Bjørn Sørheim


Hi Bjørn,

In the videos, the meteor is first seen above and to the left of the rising
sun, so that would mean that it was further north than the rising sun. If
you estimate the sun to be rising between 100-110 degrees azimuth, then the
meteor would be less than 100 degrees, so the 80 degree estimate would be
correct. Unless, the sun was still far below the horizon and therefore was
further north relative to the video's angle. Maybe some of the experts can
step in and let us know what the azimuth really was.

Regards,

Bob



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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 1:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian
meteor?

Hi Bob
The bottom image was posted to the list with two others showing closer
up projection on a map of The Chelyabinsk area. They all three show the
roughly 120 degree azimuth entry. They seems to be detailed and some
level of work behind.
The Sun at this time would rise in the region at 100-110 degree azimuth, I
estimate.
The image come from a posting to the list about a day ago,
titled: Russian progress on trajectory posted by Robin Whittle


Bjørn Sørheim

-
The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising). Where did you get
the image at the bottom? Everything I have seen about this has said or
showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the
west.

Bob



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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?


List,
There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about
the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15,
morning (local).
Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image
is wrong, how did that come about?
Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the
orbital elements? And which is the true direction?
Would be important to clarify this.
North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one,
and near the middle in the top image.
The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree.
Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together:

home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg

Bjørn Sørheim

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Re: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hi Bob
The bottom image was posted to the list with two others showing closer
up projection on a map of The Chelyabinsk area. They all three show the
roughly 120 degree azimuth entry. They seems to be detailed and some
level of work behind.
The Sun at this time would rise in the region at 100-110 degree azimuth, I
estimate.
The image come from a posting to the list about a day ago,
titled: Russian progress on trajectory posted by Robin Whittle


Bjørn Sørheim

-
The meteor came from the east (where the Sun was rising). Where did you get
the image at the bottom? Everything I have seen about this has said or
showed (in videos) that it came from near the Sun and was travelling to the
west.

Bob



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Sorheim
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:52 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?


List,
There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about
the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15,
morning (local).
Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image
is wrong, how did that come about?
Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the
orbital elements? And which is the true direction?
Would be important to clarify this.
North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one,
and near the middle in the top image.
The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree.
Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together:

home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg

Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] What was the true azimuth of the Russian meteor?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
There seem to be posted two quite different images to the list about
the compass direction from where the meteor came on Friday 15,
morning (local).
Obviously one of them must be wrong. Surprising if the weather image
is wrong, how did that come about?
Which one is closest to the direction used by Esko to compute the
orbital elements? And which is the true direction?
Would be important to clarify this.
North is up in both images. Chelyabinsk is in the mid top at the lower one,
and near the middle in the top image.
The top image suggest azimuth 80 degree, while the lower about 120 degree.
Here is a link to the two differing directions stitched together:

home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/twoaz.jpg

Bjørn Sørheim

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Re: [meteorite-list] 2012 DA14 and the Russian meteor: a strong link

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
I can't see in any way how your statements can be true, and I wonder
how anyone can. I would assume NASA has way more educated
professionals in this than you. Why do they say: 'Preliminary information 
indicates ---
not related'? They would have been able to refute a strike for all areas of 
Russia according

to your reasoning.

When an asteroid having a shallow inclination of 10 deg to the ecliptical 
plane,
that is Earth's orbital plane, and a fragment originating from this, 
travelling parallell

to this, as I assume the meteorid/asteroid that came down near Chelyabinsk
did, it will easily hit ANY part of Earth provided it hits when that part 
of Earth is

facing towards it.
Giving a large number of objects in a swarm around/forwards/backwards of 
it, these
fragments from asteroid 2012DA14 will get to ground on all parts of the 
Earth as the Earth

rotates through the day and night, that should be obvious.

On a psychological note, I observe that none of you have countered any 
given sentence I

have written on this russian meteor.
You just manically keep reiterating that they are not related. I can only sea
anxiety behind this.

Sorry, Marco, but you are flatly wrong here. Your statement is absurd.
Only asteroids with very high inclination of 70-90 degree would behave the 
way you say here.
We are talking 10 degrees in this case, and your statements are ridiculous 
and shocking.
You seem to believe that the orbit of 2012DA14 is retrograde, which of 
course it is not.


So please, if you can prove me wrong on any sentence or statement I have 
written, do it.
But please, Marco, Rob and Chris do it also internally to the other members 
of your

internal group, and don't behave like a pack of wolves...

I hope also when someone are putting forwards a clearly wrong statement,
me or anyone else are allowed to denounce that statement from the person. I 
hope we can do so,
also with a degree of engagement and temperament. I say this also to the 
other readers of this
discussion, as the temperament here may surprise you. Right or wrong 
staements or

assumptions make a lot of difference in this case.

Bjørn Sørheim


--
Hi all,

I still see suggestions popping up on this list about a possible link between
2012 DA14 and the Russian meteor.

I want to point out that even without an accurate trajectory for the Russian
bolide, a link with 2012 DA14 can be 100% rejected. The orbital geometry of 
2012

DA14 and the latitude of 55 N for the Russian bolide make this impossible.

2012 DA14 and any fragments in a swarm in similar orbit, would approach the
earth from deep south. The geocentric radiant for the orbit of 2012 DA14 is at
declination -81 degrees. This means 2012 DA14 fragments approach earth almost
parallel to the earth polar axis, coming from the south. I.e. they approach
towards the south pole and the southern hemisphere.

This means fragments can impact on the southern hemisphere, but not on the
northern hemisphere (except very low latitudes north if we take earth
gravitational curvature of the final trajectory in account). Because the
northern hemisphere, and certainly a place as far north as 55 N, is at the 
"far

side" of the earth globe as seen from the 2012 DA14 entry direction.

Compare it with a car. A bird coming in frontal will always hit the front 
of the

car - it cannot hit the back of the car. Chelyabinsk at 55 North latitude is
"the back of the car" in this comparison, given the approach direction of 2012
DA 14 and any fragments of it.

- Marco



Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek
astero...@langbroek.org



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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

They are certainly not.
And who was it that brought forward this gelogical analysis to the wider
scientific community. It was me. I certainly didn't do any science on it.
I found it on their site. And posted it here. New Scientist then wrote 
their first positive

scientific article as Carancas being truly a meteorite impact site.

What was your role in this, I don't remember you being involved?
You didn't like anyone retelling the Carancas story from that perspective, huh?
The story was goofy from the point of the combined western scientific 
establishment,
and it would serve to their credit to go into it and analyse why it did 
happen as it did.

And not repeating another pack of wolves rush again.

Bjørn Sørheim

--
Ok, you've gone off the deep end and will now be officially considered
goofy. Your remarks on Carancas are just dumb.

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Thanks for your general positive comment on this discussion.
I would agree with you on the .'more and more skeptical' about some
output of so called scientific knowlegde over the years.

Say any scientist or budding scientist have a model on some kind of aspect
of nature. The model can be quite ok according to exact knowledge and 
observation

about this part of nature.
However, if you wrongly enter the wrong numbers (because of lack of good 
observations or
other misconceptions or sloppy or rushed work) the good quality model won't 
help you, you end up
with hopeless results. Be aware of this situation. And this situation 
happen all the time in science,
an incredible unfounded input of bad numbers. Particulary in astronomy, I 
would say, where so

much is hidden in the darkness of space and unrepeatable fleeting observations.

Take the case Chicxulub for instance. All of this hopeless numbers swirling 
about about size, energy,
entry angle, mass etc. Did it ever happen? Just 65 mill. years since it 
happened and where the
hell is its crater rim?? Should have been higher than Himalaya! Where is 
it?? Who observed this anyway :)
Assumptions, upon assumptions. Yet you hear dinosaur-killer all over the 
popular scientific press,

Discovery, National Geographic channel, etc, etc.
Serious geologist says the reason the dinosaurs perished was outpouring of 
kilometers thick lava sheets
expanding several times the size of my country. Polluted the atmosphere. 
They have found that dinosaurs died
out over hundred thousands of years, not in an instant as the impact theory 
will have it.
Super-volcano at the Deccan traps. No asteroid needed. Yet astronomers pour 
out their staggering Chicxulub numbers an an increasing rate. Easy to lie 
with numbers...


Take also the case of Carancas, Peru, Sept 15., 2007. Every known celestial 
mechanican,  geologist, astronomer,
meteoriticist denied the explosion at Carancas, Peru was a meteorite to the 
press. This was going on for weeks.
The sick hords of people was just sick, a meteorite fall does not make you 
sick, they said.
This was an metan explosion, military detonation at the border, whatever, 
but not a meteorite, the 'experts' said, actually the real experts. 
Meteorites does not produce a 13 m crater! The combined scientific elite 
denied this case. The Peruvian press still kept on reporting about the 
meteorite.
They were all put to shame when the Bureau of Mines (or similar name) in 
Lima, released their scientific study of the
fragments from the crater. It was soon in Meteoritical Bulletin thereafter. 
Going against all science establishments in the developed world. This 
disgraceful story was hardly commented afterwards by anyone.
So science can really go astray, and they often behave like a flock of 
volwes or a flock of sheep. So be alert and aware...


Bjørn Sørheim



>Chris

>I am a scientist myself, in agronomy.
>And I have learned to be more and more skeptical
>about the common/obvious knowledge over the years...

>You might be right... but be careful about your
>high level of "certainty"...

>Said with all respect to you but also Bjorn
>who seems to have a point, if you take into
>account what he said about a split before...

>Anyway
>lets enjoy your different arguments

>Michael B.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I must be starting praying for you MIke!!?
That's the most clueless article about these events I have ever seen.
Or someone purporting to know anything about celestial mechanics.
Wired and author Helene McLaughlin doesn't know a thing about celestial 
mechanics.

The diagram is totally wrong, and the explanation about their paths is
a TOTAL misunderstanding.
As I have been trying to convey, the meteoroid falling in
Russia (technically it is actually an asteroid as it is so big 15-17m) 
didn't originate
from 2012DA14 while it passed the Earth! It split of way before and was 
travelling parallell
with the mother asteroid but a long distance ahead of it and a bit over 2 
Earth diameters

inside its orbit.

Mike Hankey wrote:

>good article that shows graphically why/how these are not related.
>
>http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2013/02/asteroids-and-meteors-same-day/ 







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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Where are these elements posted??
It's impossible that they could be as different as you state here.
My mailbox got full yesterday, so if they have been posted on this list
while I could not receive any new messages, I must apologize.
But if not, post the elements or supply a link.
It is interesting to note that NASA have not issued any stronger comment
than they did yesterday.
I am also surprised that good elements, as your anwer would indicate,
could be computed the same day they first occured. Not a thing of earlier days
such an achievement.

The professor of astrophysics and celestial mechanics is a highly competent 
guy,

therefore NASA used him.

Bjørn Sørheim


>I'm talking about two different trajectories. Different inclinations,
>different semimajor axes, (very) different eccentricities, (very)
>different geocentric velocities. There is no plausible mechanism for
>ending up with two pieces of the same body in such radically different
>orbits- it would require first separating them, and then subjecting each
>to a different history of three-body interactions.
>
>If the "foremost" celestial mechanics expert in your country says the
>two are similar, he is not competent. I don't notice him speaking out.
>
>Chris
>
>***
>Chris L Peterson
>Cloudbait Observatory
>
>
>On 2/15/2013 11:35 PM, Bjorn Sorheim wrote:
>>
>> Two completely different trajectories??
>> What the heck are you talking about?
>> They are quite similar. It would not at this point say they are identical.
>> In WHAT way are they _completely different_, elaborate please.
>> And don't be so d** arrogant, for christ sake.
>> I could mention that the foremost celest mechanican in my country says they
>> are strangly similar, and he has been working for NASA and the Voyagers,
>> and he has
>> an asteroid named after him.
>>
>> Bjørn Sørheim

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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I would think there would be more objects trailing a (small) asteroid, yes.
But what forces releases a smaller fragment from an asteroid/meteoroide?
Rotation, tension in the rock, gas release underneath? Some of these forces 
could

be strong and send them forwards with some speed.
I'm not shure what quantitive effect of solar wind etc.would have in the 
long run, but yes
I would think asteroids in some ways resemble the situation you have with 
comets, but the material
in the latter is of course much lighter, and a greater effect of  the solar 
wind is felt.
It's a bit beyond me, and it's very hard to observe debris clouds around 
such small objects.


Bjørn Sørheim

>Bjorne just a quick thought, wouldn't this impact been after the fact 
given the passage of the NEO 2012DA14 instead of before >if the events were 
related?


>Sent from my iPhone

>On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Bjorn Sorheim  wrote:

>>
>> Two completely different trajectories??
>> What the heck are you talking about?
>> They are quite similar. It would not at this point say they are identical.
>> In WHAT way are they _completely different_, elaborate please.
>> And don't be so d** arrogant, for christ sake.
>> I could mention that the foremost celest mechanican in my country says they
>> are strangly similar, and he has been working for NASA and the 
Voyagers, and he has

>> an asteroid named after him.
>>
>> Bjørn Sørheim
>>
>>
>> >It is 100% certain that the two bodies are unrelated, given the physical
>> >impossibility of a single object producing the two completely different
>> >trajectories involved. I'd suggest you study orbital dynamics before
>> >making scientifically unsound suggestions.
>>
>> >NASA has made no "final verdict". It's initial analysis is no different
>> >than what dozens of other meteor experts have concluded.
>>
>> >Chris
>>
>> >***
>> >Chris L Peterson
>> >Cloudbait Observatory

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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Two completely different trajectories??
What the heck are you talking about?
They are quite similar. It would not at this point say they are identical.
In WHAT way are they _completely different_, elaborate please.
And don't be so d** arrogant, for christ sake.
I could mention that the foremost celest mechanican in my country says they
are strangly similar, and he has been working for NASA and the Voyagers, 
and he has

an asteroid named after him.

Bjørn Sørheim


>It is 100% certain that the two bodies are unrelated, given the physical
>impossibility of a single object producing the two completely different
>trajectories involved. I'd suggest you study orbital dynamics before
>making scientifically unsound suggestions.

>NASA has made no "final verdict". It's initial analysis is no different
>than what dozens of other meteor experts have concluded.

>Chris

>***
>Chris L Peterson
>Cloudbait Observatory

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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

The trajectory through the siberian atmosphere doesn't seem to be known with
very great precisison at the time.
I am working out from this statement from  Jeremie Vaubaillon
on the [IMO-News] saying:
"the bolide was heading very roughly North-East towards South-West".

Looking at the geometry of the orbit of  2012DA14 and the location of these 
russian cites east of Ural
at nine in the morning, a flat path over west Siberia is _strikingly very 
parallell_ to 2012DA14's
orbit. Only this is already giving a strong leaning towards them being 
connected. You need to be looking
at a globe of the Earth and its exact tilt and Siberia's position to the 
other objects of interest (asteroid, Sun)
to get a grasp of my argument. If not, you would not understand the value 
of the argument.


If NASA (if they indeed have done so) is rejecting a connection to the 
nearby asteroid
I think it foremost is up to them and other 'astronomers' doing so - to 
bring forward what reasons

of rejecting a connection. They seem to have brought forward none.
The message from NASA says only:
"Preliminary information indicates that a meteor in Chelyabinsk, Russia, is 
not related to

asteroid 2012DA14, which is flying by Earth safely today."

Take note of the fact that the inclination of the orbit to Earth's orbit 
plane is a shallow 10 degrees.
Actually one would say, 'almost' parallell to the Earth's orbital plane. So 
no problem reaching any

point in the northern hemisphere, let alone 55 deg. N.
(And don't make the mistake of assuming that the meteorid/meteor is 
originating in the
2012DA14's postion, they are flying _parallell_ through space at any 
distance you may wish - within reason.)


Bjørn Sørheim


> Hello Bjørn,
>
> Ok, what _evidence_ do you have to the contrary?
>
> /DA14's trajectory is trivially established precisely. Show us this
> new body matches that trajectory. It either does or it doesn't. You
> are claiming it does, so now you need to present your case.
>
> Finger-pointing and innuendo does not a falsifiable argument make.
>
> --- Jodie
>
>
> Friday, February 15, 2013, 7:56:16 PM, you wrote:
>
>
>> All the various arguments against it being a connection between the russian
>> meteor of today and the asteroid passage also today of 2012 DA14 are quite
>> shallow and actually faulty. The closest passage of a very large asteroid
>> object ever and the the most damaging (for humans) meteorite fall ever in
>> the same day and they are not related?? That is a joke! Added to this, can
>> anyone with good knowledge (exact information) of the geometry of the two
>> trajectories of these bodies just compare them? The best knowledge I got
>> (from International Meteor Organization IMO) is pointing towards them being
>> exact parallell, which would in effect exclude them from not being related.
>> An object coming in shallow path from south could easily enter Russia from
>> northeast in the morning. The earth rotates continuously and therefore
>> entry from northeast is easily attainable. NASA (to the degree they have
>> made a final verdict) is in error here. Unfortunately the world press has
>> too little scientific background to counter an error from NASA and follow
>> it as a flock of drowsy geese. Sorry but this is the situation in this 
case!

>> Psychologically, I think this is a case (on the the part of NASA) as -
>> DON't you grab MY puppy!! (being incidentally asteroid 2012 DA14) Well,
>> Russia did just that, and the US reaction followed - not the first time
>> actually...
>
>> Bjørn Sørheim
>

> --
> Best regards,
> Jodie

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[meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

All the various arguments against it being a connection between the russian 
meteor of today and the asteroid passage also today of 2012 DA14 are quite 
shallow and actually faulty. The closest passage of a very large asteroid 
object ever and the the most damaging (for humans) meteorite fall ever in 
the same day and they are not related?? That is a joke! Added to this, can 
anyone with good knowledge (exact information) of the geometry of the two 
trajectories of these bodies just compare them? The best knowledge I got 
(from International Meteor Organization IMO) is pointing towards them being 
exact parallell, which would in effect exclude them from not being related. 
An object coming in shallow path from south could easily enter Russia from 
northeast in the morning. The earth rotates continuously and therefore 
entry from northeast is easily attainable. NASA (to the degree they have 
made a final verdict) is in error here. Unfortunately the world press has 
too little scientific background to counter an error from NASA and follow 
it as a flock of drowsy geese. Sorry but this is the situation in this case!
Psychologically, I think this is a case (on the the part of NASA) as - 
DON't you grab MY puppy!! (being incidentally asteroid 2012 DA14) Well, 
Russia did just that, and the US reaction followed - not the first time 
actually...


Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] Norwegian meteorite education at the highest level.....

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Dear List,
The Norwegian Astronomical Socierty (NAS) has a mailing list running for
about 15 years. All kinds of questions, answers and discussions about
topics in astronomy and related fields pops up.
I'm sorry to say that knowledge about meteorites is not great, but then you
might say that is geology. I read the list part time, and try to give some 
good info

when I have the time.

But sometimes I don't check for a long time.
So the question below with an answer?? got through without me seeing it
before today.
Generally the list is a good source for info about astronomy,
but the answer in this particular case is a far cry from a good answer...!
I hope the poor first time poster -AleJunk!- wasn't totally put
of the meteorite field! Shocking also was that no one else on the
list tried to give him a decent answer.

By the way, the person that answered here is known for these kind of raving 
answers,

still not the best way to treat a serious question from a beginner...
The question and answer you find below in the original norwegian version and
translated by me and Google. I can certify the translation is really as 
good as can be...


-
[From NAS-list discussion]

Sent: 08/04/2012 1:11 p.m.
From: alej...@aim.com
To: nas-mailingli...@astro.uio.no
Subject: meteorite

Hello!

This is the first time I write on this list even though I have benn a member
here for many years.
This have been a very good source of information but I think it has lost 
value a

little when Odegaard disappeared.
Okay, enough of that .. I currently have dug up the garden, and then of course
I have been looking for black stones.
I have found one stone, it is old and was well buried but it is absolutely
black, very light and porous (not pumice)
I can crush it to sand with my bare hands. It glitters a bit but because of
the weight, I doubt it contains iron.
I have tried to find out how to distinguish meteorite rocks from
"normal type" stones, but have unfortunately not found any good info on this.
So what I wonder is how can I find out which stone I have found?

MVH
Ale Junk

---

Sent: 08/04/2012 4:32 p.m.
From: Sverre Kolberg
To: nas-mailingli...@astro.uio.no
Topic: Regarding: meteorite


oioi

We have our ways. I once aquired the geology pin as a Boy Scout, and I have 
since then become a chemist, and has
two terms of soil science at Ås[university level]. But concerning 
meteorites a whole new world opened up when I saw the
meteorite collection of Morten Bilet and I had to take what I know about 
high-temperature ceramics and fire-resisting

brick-laying and foundry subjects to dechiper them.

An important rule is that it is automatically seized by the Director of 
Antiquities until otherwise evidenced, in case of
real troll poop. And if it is land mines then a special procedure applies. 
The discovery of meteors in the 'Røykenviken' is
automatically seized by the Director of Antiquities as it may be riding 
spurs of Halfdan the Black [father of 1st ruler of

Norway] one have found.

It is important not to damage or crush the samples to be wise about them 
but rather to consider it and maybe ask someone and
if something have to be analyzed, so with the least amount of  material and 
preliminary examinations should be done first
with representative material so you know that mastering the way and is 
reasonably able to find useful answers. Ask first and

dig afterwards.
I've been sitting in 20 years with the total unexplainable and British 
Museum in 120 years before humankind at all was
qualified to say what it was. It turned out quite right to be real Troll 
poop as I thought it was.


The Box with the strange in the Department of impossible and incredible 
Findings will be there at the British Museum
So I can recommend the Geological Museum at Tøyen[Oslo]. They  could 
confirm the Real troll poop.


S.K.

(My explainations in [ ])



Sent: 08/04/2012 4:57 p.m.
From: alej...@aim.com
To: nas-mailingli...@astro.uio.no
Subject: Re: meteorite


Thanks for the reply but the distance is great. I can possibly enquire at 
'Kometland' [local amateur

observatory] rather.









-(Original norwegian 
versions)---


Sendt: 08.04.2012 13:11
Fra: alej...@aim.com
Til: nas-mailingli...@astro.uio.no
Emne: meteoritt

Hei!

Dette er første gang jeg skriver på denne listen selv om jeg har vert medlem
her i mange år.
Dette har vert en meget fin informasjons kilde men synes det har tapt seg
litt etter Ødegård forsvant.
Nokk om det.. Jeg har for tiden gravd opp hele hagen, og har da selvfølgelig
sett etter sorte steiner.
Jeg har funnet 1 sten, denne er gammel og var godt nedgravd men den er helt
sort, veldig lett og porøs (ikke pimp stein)
jeg kan knuse den til sand med bare hendene. den glinser litt men pga
tyngden tviler jeg der e

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[meteorite-list] Met Bulletin Update - New Approvals - But where is the 'Paris' meteorite?.

[Bjorn Sorheim]

>Greetings Bulletin Watchers,
>
>17 new meteorites - one from Oklahoma (Magnum) and 16 various OC's from NWA.

But what about the one that fell through a roof in Paris during last summer.
Why haven't that one been approved at this time? Seems a long time since 
the fall.

Any problems with that meteorite?

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[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway - beware of criminals!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

This location in Oslo happen to have high crime rate,
probably one of the highest in Norway. Murders, violence etc.
While studying in Oslo many years back I lived only a kilometer from
the fall location for many years. I run into one of the criminals while I 
lived here.

The story is not so nice to tell.. So be warned if you go here.

The stone is a breccia. Probably ordinary chondrite H or L, maybe L?
This find may(?) be a result of the high interest factor concerning meteorites
in Norway.
Moss and Oslo is not far from each other, so really fantastic, just 6 years 
apart!


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway

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[meteorite-list] Rare Meteorite Strikes Roof in Norway - beware of criminals!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

This location in Oslo happen to have a high crime rate,
probably one of the highest in Norway. Murders, violence etc.
While studying in Oslo many years back I lived only a kilometer from
the fall location for many years. I run into one of the criminals while I 
lived here.

The story is not so nice to tell.. So be warned if you go here.

The stone is a breccia. Probably ordinary chondrite H or L, maybe L?
This find may(?) be a result of the high interest factor concerning meteorites
in Norway.
Moss and Oslo is not far from each other, so really fantastic, just 6 years 
apart!


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway 


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[meteorite-list] AD - 3.69 g 'Moss' carbonaceous CO3 fall ending in a few hours

[Bjorn Sorheim]

The 3.69 g 40% crusted CO3.6 'Moss' carbonaceous
meteorite fall from 2006 in Norway is ending in a few hours..

As fresh as a meteorite ever gets!

www.ebay.com/itm/160725663886


Bjørn Sørheim 


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[meteorite-list] AD - 3.69 g 'Moss' carbonaceous CO3 fall -World's no.1 hammer stone

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I have a 3.69 g 40% crusted CO3.6 'Moss' carbonaceous
meteorite fall  from 2006 in Norway on Ebay.
At a 3 day listing - ending on Tuesday.

As fresh as a meteorite ever gets!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160725663886

Bjørn Sørheim 


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[meteorite-list] AD - 3.69 g 'Moss' carbonaceous CO3 fall -World's no.1 hammer stone

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I have a 3.69 g 40% crusted CO3.6 'Moss' carbonaceous
meteorite fall  from 2006 in Norway on Ebay.
At a 3 day listing - ending on Tuesday.

As fresh as a meteorite ever gets!

www.ebay.com/itm/160725663886

Bjørn Sørheim 


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[meteorite-list] AD - 55 g 'Moss' CO3 ( 2006 carbonaceous fall ) ending soon on Ebay

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I have the 55g 'Moss' CO3.6 on Ebay ending in 4 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160581212048

Atractive looking piece.
Active bidding, but still a good buy.
All 'Moss' finds was 'hammer' stones, it's extremely fresh,
with no rust, just as when it came down back in 2006.
First carbonaceous CO3 fall since 1937.

Bjørn Sørheim
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[meteorite-list] AD - 55 g 'Moss' CO3 ( 2006 carbonaceous fall ) on Ebay

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I have the 55g 'Moss' CO3.6 on Ebay currently ending
on Tuesday at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160581212048

This time with quite a low reserve price, so this
should be a good investment.
Not to forget that 'Moss' is a true 'hammer', and extremely fresh,
with no rust, just as when it came down back in 2006.

Bjørn Sørheim
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[meteorite-list] AD - 7.00 g 'Moss' CO3 fall -World's no.1 hammer stone -NO RESERVE!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I have the 7.00  g partly crusted CO3.6 'Moss' carbonaceous
meteorite fall  from 2006 in Norway on a 3 day -listing, ending
on Saturday.
As fresh as a meteorite ever gets...
NO RESERVE!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160573150078

Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] AD - 7.00 g 'Moss' CO3 fall -World's no.1 hammer stone -NO RESERVE!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I have the 7.00  g partly crusted CO3.6 'Moss' carbonaceous
meteorite fall  from 2006 in Norway on a 3 day -listing, ending
on Saturday.
As fresh as a meteorite ever gets...
NO RESERVE!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160573150078

Bjørn Sørheim 


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[meteorite-list] AD - Several 'Moss' CO3 ending today.

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
I have 3 'Moss' CO3.6 carbonaceous norwegian meteorite fall pieces from
midsummer day of 2006,  including the 55 gram ending in about 10 hours:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546880463
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546860239
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546867564

It is not certain I will sell more of these any time soon, so get them
while you can!

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Strange things found while hunting for meteorites : )

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I certainly also have found mighty strange things while hunting for
meteorites.
In October 2006 I found for the first time in any of the nordic
countries a Borneo-dolphin aka 'Lagenodelphis hosei' on a rocky beach
facing the Atlantic ocean. It had become stuck in a gully, and was dead.
At first I thought it was a rubber plaything.

It's only about the 10th species of dolphin to be found in Norway.
This type of dolphin is also known as Fraser's dolphin, and one of the last
dolphin species to be recognized, first found on Borneo - Sarawak.
The worlds foremost expert on these, Thomas Jefferson!, said from
the photos I took, that none came close in looks than the Borneo-dolphin.
It made it to the front page of the local newspaper, but only after having
gone several rounds with dolphin experts here in Norway, as it first was
assumed to be one of the most common types seen in Norway.

So if you don't find meteorites, you always find something else...

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim

> Hi All,
>
> Last week while exploring a new area in Nevada I made a strange
> discovery. I was in an area that was composed of numerous small sand
> dunes and blowouts almost like a small dry lake bed. I walked along
> the edge of a small sand dune
> & started to find small pieces of a ceramic material. The material was
> sand blasted and appeared to be very old. Still having no idea what the
> material could be I soon found out. 75' from my location I could see
> what looked like a leg. Two years
> prior to this find while I was scouting for new areas I made a similar
> discovery. It was a human leg with a shoe attached and a motorcycle
> lying on the edge of the road with a women standing next to a
> unconscious man. You can't imagine the thought that was going through
> my mind at this time. Holy crap, miles from anywhere, no phone service,
> an unconscious man lying on the shoulder of the road with his leg lying
> 20' away. My main thought was to check out the patient and notify the
> local authorities. The man was in critical condition but still
> breathing . The leg was a prosthetic limb that had fallen off during
> the accident. To make a long story short , a large elk ran in front of
> the motorcyclist and caused them to crash. 1 1/2 hours later he was
> flown to a hospital in California.
>
> Now back to my new find . It was an old prosthetic leg that was lying
> next to a small sand dune . The leg had eroded out of the dune. As i
> started to get the camera out to take a photograph Brix started to
> investigate the object. I could just see Brix running off with the leg!
> The leg appeared to be very old. I just wonder what is next, hopefully
> no more legs! I hope to have a few picture up soon of my latest
> discovery.
>
>
> Sonny

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[meteorite-list] AD - Several 'Moss' CO3 fall, including 55gram on Ebay now..

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I have a 2.78 g CO3.6 'Moss' carbonaceous meteorite fall (2006) ending
in about 24 hours:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546836423

Several more, including a 55 gram!, ending on tuesday:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546880463
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546860239
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160546867564

(If the links doen't come out right I will resend in a few minutes)

Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway

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[meteorite-list] The '�degaard 54kg meteorite': Iron slag says NHM, Norway

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Sterling, List
The geologist says it is rather iron slag from
trying to make iron from iron ore, not bog iron.

To me the stone may look like something like
a local plutonic rock from one of the images.
It is a great astonishment to learn that it
has only a volume of 9 litres, still it looks
like it is ~40cm  in length. Try to calculate that...

But the depressing thing and main point about the
story is that you have an astronomer, who have
very little or no deeper knowledge about rocks and
-meteorwrongs- specifically. And in the last ten
years he have made the whole norwegian press,
+ radio/tv (he was on national TV with this) believe
he is an expert in meteorites.
He is an absolute beginner, especially compared to
most on this list. I am not even shure he has begun learning
about meteorites, cause what he says about stones
supposed to be meteorites never make sense. It looks like
he has no interest in them. It's being in the news with a
sensational story that matters to him, I'm sorry to say...

Bjørn Sørheim

Bjørn Sørheim

-
Bjorn, List,

As I posted, it was an obvious piece of bog iron, with all the
characteristics. Bog iron was still "refined" by progressive
melts up into the 18th century until cheap modern iron
and then steel became available.

This was true everywhere that it could be found. There
was a flourishing bog iron industry in Colonial America,
and I have no doubt it was still being done on homesteads
in Norway through the same time period, which is why
the metallurgist said it was 2-3 centuries old or more.
I imagine he recognized it as incompletely refined bog
iron.

Such a meteor-wrong could be as easily found in New
Jersey or New England as in Norway or Denmark. It is
common find (in smaller, unrefined pieces) anywhere
with well-watered acidic swampy meadows. It is created
by "iron-excreting" bacteria!


Sterling K. Webb
 


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Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:00 PM
Subject: The 'Ødegaard 54kg meteorite': Iron slag says NHM, Norway




Supposed to be Norway's 2nd largest meteorite, was just
old iron slag.
KJR Ødegaard was 99% certain it was a meteorite. Would
eat 'grey stones' if it was not!

I might recommend him staying with his heavy stars in the future.
At least norwegian press should stop using 'meteorite expert' about
him and his rock evaluations.

Translate using translate.google.com

www.kvinnheringen.no/nyhende/article5346528.ece

www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Meteoritt-var-ikke-fra-himmelen-1174890.html

Bjørn Sørheim


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The '�degaard 54kg meteorite': Iron slag says NHM, Norway

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Supposed to be Norway's 2nd largest meteorite, was just
old iron slag.
KJR Ødegaard was 99% certain it was a meteorite. Would
eat 'grey stones' if it was not!

I might recommend him staying with his heavy stars in the future.
At least norwegian press should stop using 'meteorite expert' about
him and his rock evaluations.

Translate using translate.google.com

www.kvinnheringen.no/nyhende/article5346528.ece

www.bt.no/nyheter/lokalt/Meteoritt-var-ikke-fra-himmelen-1174890.html

Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Thanks Martin & Bernd for the trend you have started.
Very impressing, but much more so with real meteorites!

I jumped on the trend myself, see below, but it is from
Norway and not a meteorite, I don't know if that is a trend...:-)

It weighs just half of Ødegaards stone - 26kgs.
On the other hand it is very much pitted, I don't know
if you are able to see that. I know it' s about 390 million
years old, and is exactly as it was then.
And the pits are not 9.5% of total stone dimension as
they found out about Sikhote Alin, but much smaller.
Maybe you could guess what it is..?

http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/sand1.jpg

Bjørn

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[meteorite-list] Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I should just metion, to avoid a grave misunderstanding,
the metallic blue small rock below the 54/59 kg local
rock in the top image in the article below is KJR Ødegards
own Campo del Cielo, which he has been carrying about for many years.
So, by all means, forget that one...

www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html

Bjørn Sørheim

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Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I would point out some things that points to the pictured
norwegian stone is _not_ a meteorite:

- It looks striped and layered. This is a typical trait of the
gneissic stones on the western part of southern Norway
where this story is from. No meteorites are layered or
striped. It's a consequence of plate tecthonics that
doesn't exist on the small asteroids. Almost all rocks are
stiped and layered in this part of Norway.

- Considering the weight, probably ~54kg as it says in
first article. Taking into acount the volume I very roughly
estimate it to be ~35 dm3 from images. Then one would get
1.55 kg/dm3, which shows the volume is overestimated, but far
from any weight that fits any iron or stony meteorite.
Average local rock density would be 2.6-2.7 kg/dm3 that fits
much better.

- Only pitted on a smaller part of the surface. Does not fit an
iron meteorite. And as it seems layered its looks fto it a local
stone much better. As it was found under and when a tree
overturned, it could be the humidity of the roots that made the pits.
One cannot rule out it is lime in it, then possibly marble.
On the other hand, seeming to have an affect on a compass, it could
be a metamorphosed  plutonic rock containing some iron
of which type there are a lot in this area.

Bjørn Sørheim



www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/

www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html

Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.

Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV, but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?

(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?

Bjørn Sørheim

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Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

http://www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/

http://www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html

Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.

Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV,  but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?

(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?

Bjørn Sørheim

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Norways TV-astronomer KJR �degaard helps decovers Norways 2nd largest meteorite!?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

www.grenda.no/nyhende/2127/

www.bt.no/forbruker/vitenskap/Fant-meteoritt-paa-gaarden-1172290.html

Norways TV-astronomer KJR Ødegaard helps decovers 2nd largest meteorite in
Norways history! It's hot on several norwegian newsmedia right now.
He will eat earthly 'greystone' ('gråstein') if it's not a meteorite...;-)
Will be shown on Norways 2nd largest TV-station in a few hours.

Well he has a major in astronomy, and been on TV,  but what does he know
about stones, really?
Anyway everybody in Norway believes his stories, it seems, how is this
possible after all these years?

(Translate from norwegianby pasting into translate.google.com)
What do you make out of the story and images?

Bjørn Sørheim 


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[meteorite-list] Test

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Please ignore

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[meteorite-list] OT: Earthquakes and volcanoes

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Notice, btw that this is _live_ video.
You can also choose two alternative views further
away on the left side.

These vents are currently situated right between two
fairly large mountaintop glaciers in southern Iceland -
at 1000 m asl.
The scientists think that the eruption with time will
move to the eastern one of these - Myrdalsjøkul.
This will trigger a large flooding event that will treathen
one or more villages on the coast there, and at the
same time break the main road around Iceland.
Exciting times on Iceland...

Bjørn Sørheim


>The only URL that works for me is this one:

eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/

>Very nice video.


>For fans of new volcanoes, I suggest video of the
>Paricutin volcano of Mexico, which erupted in a
>flat corn field in 1943:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par%C3%ADcutin 



>Here's news reel footage from three days after the
>eruption when the cinder cone mountain was 1200
>feet high (it's 1400 feet now):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNjKmFvBD6k 





>Sterling K. Webb

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[meteorite-list] OT: Earthquakes and volcanoes

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Ooops, there was an error, the link should start with eldgos,
like this:

  eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/

Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] OT: Earthquakes and volcanoes

[Bjorn Sorheim]

On the theme of earthquakes and such, here is an interesting link to watch
at the moment:

http://eldgos.mila.is/eyjafjallajokull-fra-fimmvorduhalsi/ 



This thing is constantly producing black rocks with _at least_ a melted
crust ;-)

Please left click the image and Choose 'Toggle fullscreen'!
It is best viewed in the evening (GMT), and sometimes the weather
makes it troublesome...

Bjørn Sørheim

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[meteorite-list] CRATER FROM POSSIBLE METEOR FRAGMENT IN BALI .....

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Another article:

http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20080103.A05&irec=4

Meteor fragment crater draws crowds to Gianyar

National News - Thursday, January 03, 2008

Ary Hermawan and Yuli Tri Suwarni, The Jakarta Post, Gianyar, Bandung

Residents in Sukawati village in Gianyar regency, around 20 kilometers 
north of Denpasar, reported the appearance of a mysterious crater in the 
middle of a paddy field Wednesday.


The hole was allegedly caused by a falling meteorite fragment.

One meter wide and around 30 centimeters deep, the cavity has turned into a 
large puddle in the heavy rains that have showered the area since New 
Year's Eve.


Disregarding slippery paths leading to the site, hundreds of people came to 
see the crater with their own eyes, and take photographs of it with cameras 
and mobile phones.


"Residents heard an extremely loud gun-like explosion Tuesday evening 
around 1 a.m. At the same time, a number of residents saw a bright object 
falling from the sky," Made Tekek Arimbawa, a neighborhood leader, told 
reporters.


The hole first noticed Tuesday morning by I Wayan Miasa, 60, the owner of 
the field.


Made said he ordered the owner to wait for an explanation from the 
authorities before using the field again.


"We don't know for sure what it is," he said.

Sukawati police chief Comr. Ida Bagus Bedanajati said pieces of rock were 
found in the alleged meteorite crater.


"The rocks we found resembled pumice but didn't float -- it sank in water," 
he said.


He said the impact had not altered the structure of the soil or killed any 
plants or animals in the surrounding area.


"There were no casualties or material losses. What we do next is wait for 
the experts," he said.


The police had secured the area with a police line.

Bali is home to many mystic beliefs where odd and supernatural occurrences 
like flying fire balls are not unheard of.


The Balinese describe the occurrences as niskala which refers to the world 
of "unseen" phenomena.


Bandung Flight and Space Institute sun and space researcher Thomas 
Djamaludin said Wednesday he believed the unidentified object was a 
meteoric fragment.


He said he suspected a larger fragment had created the hole as it was 
impossible for small fragments to create the loud noise heard by residents.


The fragment would not cause radiation effects dangerous to humans, 
Djamaludin said.


Fragments were "only dangerous at the time of their explosive impact, with 
a fallout of hot debris ... After that they are harmless," he said in Bandung.



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test - ignore


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[meteorite-list] AD: 'Moss' CO3.6 Main mass *fence hitter* fragment (with marks) on Ebay ending!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
2 pieces of the CO3 fall last year in Norway on Ebay ending in a few hours:

Green markings from the fence it hit - a real 'hammer' !,  7.13g - 40% crusted
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160193717776

From the same fence hit, a great little piece, 3.69g - 40% crusted
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160193746825

Happy 2008,
Bjørn Sørheim 



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[meteorite-list] AD: Several pieces of 'Moss' CO3.6 fall on Ebay

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
I got several more pieces of the CO3 fall last year in Norway on Ebay now:

7.13g - 40% crusted
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160193717776
3.69g - 40% crusted
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160193746825
1.82.g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160193727485
1.27g
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=160193737489

Happy New Year,
Bjørn Sørheim 



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[meteorite-list] Last post

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
The last link to Ebay didn't seem to be right, here (I hope) is the correct 
one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160192833049 



Bjørn Sørheim


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[meteorite-list] AD: A piece of 'Moss' on Ebay

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
Just wanted to tell you that I have a small piece of 'Moss' CO3 that fell 
last year in Norway for sale on Ebay, see:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160192833049 


ending in a few hours.

and, yes Merry Christmas!

Bjørn Sørheim


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[meteorite-list] Official Report on 'The Carancas Meteorite fall 15 September 2007' released

[Bjorn Sorheim]

INGEMMET (Instituto Geológico Minero y Metalúrgico)  of Peru have released 
a first report
on the meteorite that created a ~14m crater in eastern Peru September 15 at 
11:45 local

time.
It is said to be a chondrite with 15% kamacite, but no subtype given.
Pieces will be distributed to NASA, UK and Japan for investigations.

Report located at:
http://www.ingemmet.gob.pe/paginas/pl01_quienes_somos.aspx?opcion=320
Institute:
http://www.ingemmet.gob.pe/

Bjørn Sørheim 



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[meteorite-list] Peruvian Crater meteorite

[Bjorn Sorheim]

I sent this on wedensday (07-09-19), but it never came to the list.
Art said he found it, blocked because it was html, and had released it
to the list, still it didn't arrive...
So I post it here again.

> From: Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2007-09-19 17:59:00 CEST
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Peruvian Crater meteorite
>
>
> List,
> Based on a video I saw about this from a norwegian newspaper site
> I dare to come with a first classification based on looks
> of what most probably is chondrite fragments, and taking into
> account meteorite type fall statistics:
>
> I propose it's a L5/6 chondrite.
>
> (Probably no great surprise to you).
> And I think the smell  and health problems come from what is exposed
> in the earthly ground there and NOT from the meteorite.
>
> Bjørn Sørheim

I could add that I personally see no features with this incident that does 
*not fit

with a large meteorite impact*. In fact the smell and possible health problems
is the natural consequence of just large impacts, and there are very few of 
those.
One could only fear the effect of even larger meteorite impacts near or at 
populated

places.

Also health problems is caused by the pretty remarkable fact that inhabited 
buildings

and the small town of Carancas were only a few hundred (500m?) away.
Could there be other impacts in the area?

It's too bad that no high quality images of the meteorite samples have 
appeared.

It should be fairly ease to get a good grasp of them being meteorites or not by
such evidence. They have a high iron content according to the
Geophysics Institute of Peru.

Concerning large impacts there are of course:
Sikhote Alin, Russia, iron,1947, many craters up to 28 meters diameter
Jilin, China,  stony, 1976,  crater 2-3 m diameter (largest stony fall so 
far ~4 tonns)

Sterlitamak, Russia, iron, 1990, crater 10 m diameter
Kunya-Urgench, Turkimenstan, stony,1998, crater 6 m diameter

Bjørn Sørheim


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[meteorite-list] Offers pour in for Didim rock - Turkey

[Bjorn Sorheim]

http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=490

COLLECTORS from as far as America have offered astronomical prices to get their 
hands on the famous meteor of Didim.  

The meteor was claimed by Abdullah Ar?türk when it rocketed to earth  and 
landed at the Green Park complex, in Ye?ilkent, last Thursday, after scores of 
people across the Bodrum Peninsula reported to police a ball of fire across the 
sky.

Since the story broke, first by Voices, across Turkey and the rest of the 
world, Ar?türk has been overwhelmed with offers for a part of the meteorite.

Ar?türk, not eager to part from his meteor of which he thinks to be a present 
from God, solved the problem by splitting it into two. He now will keep one 
half of the meteor in a special cage made for it; and the other half is for 
sale!
 
American collector Robert Wesel, who read the news in Voices has offered 
Ar?türk 1,800 dollars. Another American collector Stephan Grossman offered 500 
dollars to buy the meteor.

We interviewed Abdullah Ar?türk at his house. Ar?türk said that he slept with 
the meteor at nights and that it was a present from God. 

Ar?türk stated that he would evaluate the claims but because he could not part 
with his beloved meteor he had split it in two. 

He said: ?I will have a special cage made for this meteor and keep it there 
until my last breath. A lot of people around me have told me to sell it, but ? 
am unable to spare it. ? wanted at least half of it to stay with me.?

The drama unfolded when a substance resembling a ball of fire was seen in the 
sky above Bodrum Güllük Gulf and Didim. The gendarme and police were 
overwhelmed with notification calls and the worried farmers had waited outside 
for hours.

The Astronomy and Space Sciences Department of Ege University made an 
announcement stating the possibility of this being a meteor and later it was 
certainly determined as that.

The news published on the front pages of the national papers had caused great 
excitement and fear all over Turkey.

Following the news being released first in Voices and then in national press, 
Ar?türk started getting astronomical bids for the meteor that in the end, he 
finally turned his phone off.  


Posted by
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[meteorite-list] Orange snow in Siberia connected to fall in Turkey / Norway observations?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Taking into account that the Turkey fall happened in the afternoon of the 31st 
of January (like the  norwegian observations) and that the recent orange 
snowfall
in Siberia was about the same time, is it not quite possible that these events 
are connected?

The russians using elaborate chemical analysis have had some problems explaining
the fallout with the snow on last Wedensday in the Omsk, Tomsk, Tuymen area. 
The same stuff seems also to be reported from northern parts of Kazakstan.
The colours are described as orange, yellow, red and green.
It was partly described as being oily with a rotten smell.

The laboratory analysis have found that the fallout was seemingly sand and clay 
particles but which contained 4 times more iron than normal, it was also acidic 
and contained nitrates.

It was first suggested that it was industrial pollusion, but the later version 
is 
that it is sand/clay blown up from the arid flats ot the once Aral Sea.
Also suggested as coming from arid parts of Pakistan.

The various sources cites somewhat different times at which it first occured -
'in the afternoon, towards the evening', one source saying 13:15 msk time,
another 'in the morning of Wedensday'.

I make no conclusion here, but a rotten (sulphuric smell) is not unknown in
the meteoritic litterature. Nitrates are produced in quantities by meteor
explosions. 
Also, do not forget Tunguska! 

Some sources:
http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=11212796&PageNum=0
http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2004868,00.html?gusrc=ticker-103704
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6323611.stm
http://englishrussia.com/?p=637
http://www.itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=11220826&PageNum=0

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Re: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Thanks to Farmer, Seidel, Herkstroker, Fred and Matteo for the
feedback on this.

I had no idea about the laws on this in Turkey.
Kichinka, in his book, make no mention of Turkey laws,
but mention several other countries.
Would Greece be similar to Turkey?
I guess you are sure about the fact that meteorites fall
in the categery of "cultural treasures"?

Personally I can somewhat confirm (or not?) such matters
from Turkey, as I also was there during the eclipse last sping, see:
http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/eclipse/060329/Phaselis.html

Meteorites was not on my mind during the stay, but my interest in stones
and geology made me pick up about one kg of typical pebbles and small
stones at the southernmost beach, where the eclipse path crossed into Turkey
from the south.

I had a fully packed rucksack with my eclipse equipment and everything
at the airport. As I had brought about 14.5 kg to Turkey the added stones
brought the weight over 15 kg, so overweight. I don't know if that was the 
reason, but I was ordered to leave the sack at another counter than the rest.
I didn't see it before arriving to Norway, so they must have checked it
especially.

Anyway, all the stones were there still, and it didn't look like they had gone
through the sack either. 
I don't know what the conclusion would be here, but at least they don't
seem to be going after ordinary stones.

Bjørn Sørheim



> From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2007-02-05 15:46:19 CET
> To: Fred Caillou Noir [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey
> 
> One reason would be that Turkey might in fact be the
> most dangerous country in the world to remove a
> meteorite from. Turkey has extreme laws about removal
> of ANYTHING! People I know say that at the airports
> there are warnings about removing even a pebble or sea
> shell. Jail sentances are handed down for people
> caught at the airport removing pieces of "cultural
> treasures" and I think that they might not like their
> newest meteorite fall leaving the country in a
> carry-on.
> I am going to pass on this one!
> Michael farmer
> --- Fred Caillou Noir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Bjorn and List,
> > 
> > I agree with Bjorn, watching the pictures on the
> > article there is no doubt that this is a stony
> > meteorite and I would even risk a speculation that
> > with the fair grey chips it looks like another
> > LL6... OK, I know, one should wait until it is
> > analysed of course! ;o))
> > Good luck to hunters who will make the trip to
> > Turkey!
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Fred
> > Lyon, France
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Bjorn Sorheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:42 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey
> > 
> > 
> > List.
> > Hey, what's the matter with YOU Lot!
> > There is A NEW FALL in Turkey is there NOT?!
> > Why no dicussion frenzy?
> > Why are you not SCRAMBLING to go there?!
> > I'm shure MIKE is?!
> > Looking at the pictures in the article, I can
> > definitly say is 
> > a stony meteorite, no doubt about it I would say...
> > (The only doubt is how much carbon it contains -
> > haha!)
> > Any more information about this fall? Links?
> > I'm shure there must be more stones on the ground...
> > 
> > Personally I heard a bang from above at 15:25 in the
> > afternoon
> > on that very day here in Norway(?). I even wrote it
> > down in my 
> > notebook to check it later. Forgot about it untill
> > today!
> > Other norwegians have noted strong meteors going
> > north to south
> > about this time it now seems...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Bjørn Sørheim
> > 
> > > From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: 2007-02-03 03:41:09 CET
> > > To: Meteorite List
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite lands in Didim
> > > 
> > >
> >
> http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=477
> > 
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[Bjorn Sorheim]

List.
Hey, what's the matter with YOU Lot!
There is A NEW FALL in Turkey is there NOT?!
Why no dicussion frenzy?
Why are you not SCRAMBLING to go there?!
I'm shure MIKE is?!
Looking at the pictures in the article, I can definitly say is
a stony meteorite, no doubt about it I would say...
(The only doubt is how much carbon it contains - haha!)
Any more information about this fall? Links?
I'm shure there must be more stones on the ground...

Personally I heard a bang from above at 15:25 in the afternoon
on that very day here in Norway(?). I even wrote it down in my
notebook to check it later. Forgot about it untill today!
Other norwegians have noted strong meteors going north to south
about this time it now seems...

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim

( I sent the above first to the list saturday evening (MET), but try it 
again, sunday afternoon)


> From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2007-02-03 03:41:09 CET
> To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite lands in Didim
>
> 
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[meteorite-list] New FALL in Turkey

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List.
Hey, what's the matter with YOU Lot!
There is A NEW FALL in Turkey is there NOT?!
Why no dicussion frenzy?
Why are you not SCRAMBLING to go there?!
I'm shure MIKE is?!
Looking at the pictures in the article, I can definitly say is 
a stony meteorite, no doubt about it I would say...
(The only doubt is how much carbon it contains - haha!)
Any more information about this fall? Links?
I'm shure there must be more stones on the ground...

Personally I heard a bang from above at 15:25 in the afternoon
on that very day here in Norway(?). I even wrote it down in my 
notebook to check it later. Forgot about it untill today!
Other norwegians have noted strong meteors going north to south
about this time it now seems...

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim

> From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2007-02-03 03:41:09 CET
> To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite lands in Didim
> 
> http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=477
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SV: [meteorite-list] The geologist on the moon and Comet SWAN

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello MexicoDoug,
I think you should just try loading it again, they are ok for me.
On the other hand this is only a 320mm lens of a traditional SLR-camera,
so don't expect tooo much.
But for people only with binoculars this will show what they can see
at the moment.
Tonight it is raining here, btw.

Bjørn Sørheim

> From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2006-10-06 23:03:26 CEST
> To: Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The geologist on the moon and Comet SWAN
> 
> Great job Bjorn!  The first two pictures (the most important ones, I think)
> seem to be broken links and aren't showing for me.  It's easy to be envious
> of your northern location after hauling my camera out 7 days straight
> including last night and this morning with nothing but horizon haze and
> clouds.  The way I figure it the further southern latitudes (N33 - N25) will
> have the best opportunity very close to the evening of October 16, when the
> comet will be a good brightness fraction of what it is now, not too diffuse,
> but after which the Comet will start dimming more rapidly (0.1 mag loss
> daily throughout November).
> 
> Here's a nice picture of Rob's Comet you can feast your eyes on taken by a
> dedicated astronomer near Buffalo, NY...he'll also sells prints.  Rob's
> Comet is very green and this can be noted in the photo.  It is a very pretty
> shot considering Tom Bakowski took it on October 2 and it was so low in the
> sky (7 degrees), and moisture was evaporating off nearby Lake Erie:
> http://www.tomseyeonthesky.com/images/Recent/cometSwan.JPG
> 
> Best wishes,
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Bjorn Sorheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:21 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] The geologist on the moon and Comet SWAN
> 
> 
> 
> List,
> Just ran out last night with my camera when I read about
> the comet on another list.
> Had to go to another place because of the bad horizon.
> Here's a page I made. Could be also helpful in locating it.
> Congratulations to Rob Matson!
> 
> http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/komet/C2006_M4_SWAN/Comet%20SWAN%20M4.
> html
> 
> Regards,
> Bjørn Sørheim
> 
> More fresh Moss pieces CO3.5/CO3.6 for sale:
> http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html
> 
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[meteorite-list] The geologist on the moon and Comet SWAN

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Just ran out last night with my camera when I read about
the comet on another list.
Had to go to another place because of the bad horizon.
Here's a page I made. Could be also helpful in locating it.
Congratulations to Rob Matson!

http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/komet/C2006_M4_SWAN/Comet%20SWAN%20M4.html

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim

More fresh Moss pieces CO3.5/CO3.6 for sale:
http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html


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[meteorite-list] List of recent falls?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
If you have 'The Catalogue of Meteorites' or similar resource one
can quite esily find the falls (and finds) up to 2000.

But what about the most recent falls in later years.
Does anyone maintain a list or web-page of recent falls with
the most relevant information of each?
Would be a most welcomed resource for people like us.
Almost tempted to make one my self, but I guess there are something
like that out there. I guess the meteoritical bulletin is not in
a form which make it very readable for this purpose.

Bjørn Sørheim
http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Jeff Grossman wrote:
>Yes, I noticed that too. Could just be a
>coincidence, however. The dates are almost 2 weeks apart.
>jeff

But when you look at the other CO3 falls it becomes
a bit obvious:

Warrenton , Fall 3rd January 1877, 07:15h
Felix,  Fall 15th May 1900, 11:30h
Kainsaz, Fall 13th September 1937, 14:15h

Apparently spread out through the year quite randomly.


>At 02:21 PM 8/30/2006, Bjorn Sorheim wrote:
>>Michael Farmer wrote:
>> >Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary
>> >classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall.
>> >Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he
>> >sent me the following information a little while ago.
>>.
>>
>> >Avg Fa PMD
>> >Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70
>> >Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70
>> >Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68
>> >Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63
>> >Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21
>>
>> >Moss 19.9 65
>>
>> >This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance,
>>
>>Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here:
>>
>>Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868
>>Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006
>>Lance, Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872
>>
>> From The Catalogue (2000).
>>
>>Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here.
>>Any info on the trajectory at those falls?
>>
>> >although I
>> >don't think that
>> >difference is significant.

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim
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[meteorite-list] Preliminary MOSS meteorite classification

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Michael Farmer wrote:
>Hello everyone, well here is the preliminary
>classification data on the MOSS Norway meteorite fall.
>Dr Jeff Grossman is doing the classification and he
>sent me the following information a little while ago.
.

>Avg Fa PMD
>Kainsaz (CO3.2) 11.8 70
>Felix (CO3.3) 18.4 70
>Ornans (CO3.4) 19.0 68
>Lance (CO3.5) 21.2 63
>Warrenton (CO3.7) 33.9 21

>Moss 19.9 65

>This puts Moss between Ornans and Lance,

Yes, you are so right Dr Grossman! Just look here:

Ornans , Fall 11th July, 19:15h 1868
Moss, Fall 14th July, 10:15h 2006
Lance,Fall 23rd July, 17:20h 1872

From The Catalogue (2000).

Makes you think, don't it! Seems to be a connection here.
Any info on the trajectory at those falls?

>although I
>don't think that
>difference is significant.

Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim
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[meteorite-list] moss meteorite for private collecters

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Take a look at my page, there is some information on
this theme. And I actually think this is the most correct
figure among all given, so far.

http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html

See also my previous postings in August.
Could even be M. Bilet would like to update his own figure from
his last posting on the theme, but only he knows...
Regards,
Bjørn Sørheim

> From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 2006-08-26 02:57:02 CEST
> To: Dave Carothers [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Arnold
Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED],
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] moss meteorite for private
collecters
> 
> Good luck to this "friend" who thinks he can get a
> kilo. If you pay $200 gram to the owners of the ~680
> gram fragment, and the other two guys Bjorn Sorheim
> and Michael Mazur who refuse to admit how much
> material they have. There is perhaps a kilo to come
> out, but seeing is believing I like to say.
> This meteorite is rare enough that I sold over 20
> grams today to NASA for study, so there it is.
> I do have more pieces, but not many with fusion crust
> left, most are under a gram, but a couple in the 2 to
> 4 gram range I think and a couple of larger pieces.
> Some people have asked where my website page for MOSS
> went. Well, I pulled it because I have no photos yet,
> the two I used before are not mine, and they show the
> location, which I and my partners do not want shown
> yet, as one of them is still searching the area, and
> why show the competition the treasure chest until it
> is cleaned out? So I expect my film rolls to arrice
> next week and will build a better page for Moss.
> Besides, we might have a tentative classification by
> middle of next week.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> --- Dave Carothers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Steve,
> > 
> > A thought comes to mind Why don't you ask your
> > friend where he is
> > getting a kilo of Moss.
> > 
> > Dave
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:21 PM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] moss meteorite for private
> > collecters
> > 
> > 
> > > Good evening list.I just talked to bob haag and
> > another good friend in the
> > meteorite community and I am getting 2 different
> > sides as to what is
> > available for private collecters.This concerns the
> > amount of the new MOSS
> > meteorite that is available.We all know that there
> > so far has been found
> > around 3.1 kilo's so far,and that might be it.Bob
> > haag told me that with
> > some of the big specimens all are going to
> > museums,others are staying put in
> > private collections,and after that there will be
> > less than a kilo for most
> > private collecters.Well good news for me is got my
> > 2.62 gram fragment with
> > crust from mike farmer.So I got my piece of the
> > pie.But on the other
> > end,another friend told me that he alone could get a
> > kilo if he wanted to.Ok
> > so where is that coming from,if there is less that a
> > kilo to the private
> > sector? I need to be educated on this matter.Any
> > help will help!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > steve
> > arnold,chicago,usa!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
> > >
> > >
> > > website url

http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com 
> > >
> > >
> > > Illinois meteorites,since 1999!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Get on board. You're invited to try the new
> > Yahoo! Mail.
> > 
> > 
> >
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[meteorite-list] Beware of the two kinds of 'Moss'-material...

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
I think the buyers of the 'Moss'-meteorite should be aware of the
fact that there are two kinds of material coming from the fall in
Moss, Norway:

1) The freshest is the material that was not affected by the heavy rains
from about the 30th of July.
Before this it was all dry (and the farmers complained it was the
driest summer in many decades). I was there myself in Moss only in
the dry period.
As you may know, only me and Mazur and another finder collected our material
on the 19th, 23rd (and 24th). Se my erlier posting:
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2006-August/186289.html
(E.Twelker will also have this same material in some time - see his posts.)
This is well before the rains started.
This is also the only material from the biggest piece found.

2) The rest of the material that is available has been collected well after
 the rains started.

One world class american meteorite classifier has seen both materials and
has commented that the 'after the rains material' is clearly more oxidized.
So to get the only existing original pristine material the only source is 
Mazur,

myself (and later Twelker).

Be aware also that this material can be a new group of carbonaceous
meteorite as it contains small white CAIs, isolated olivine grains, but do 
not look

quite like other COs. This might make 'Moss' the type specimen of
a new group with one member? So, maybe the price is not very high
for this material...

Contact me off the list for price/weight and order information.
(Tomorrow I will also have a page for this at:
http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714/moss.html )

Best wishes,
Bjørn Sørheim


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[meteorite-list] Re: Moss meteorite

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello Robert,
Sorry for not answering yor email around the times I went to Moss.
I had no Internet acess there, and it was extremely hot and hectic
there too... :-)

You are right about the stone we first heard about on the 23rd
of July. Believe it or not that's my birthday! So it was a tremendous
day for me...!
This stone, (found prior to Morten/Farmer/Wards stone) was picked up by
the original finder in the middle of the week before this. Wedensday the
19th I think, but it was originally spotted one or two days before.

Some of what happened on that day:
On Sunday the 23rd I was searching around on my own, along the center
line as it seemed to appear at the time using the two first finds.

I parked my car where the 'centerline' met with the lake area about
1 km NW of the 752g Johansen stone. I zigzagged from this spot following
the roads in the dwelling area NW of the 752 stone. I talked to several
of Johansens neighbours, one living just 3 houses away knew nothing about
any meteorite at all. His son of about 12 said when he heard about it:' What -
a meteorite here!'.
One of his other neighbours new about the Martinsen
find but not of his neighbours much bigger fall! He had just arrived from
the holiday when I met him. I told them to carefully search their gardens,
and I did fully tell them what was the real value of a stone like this. Not all
seemed to believe what I was telling them...
When I had passed Johansen house and went through a narrow bush area
I met up with the water on the SE side. I went back again in a large circle 
around

the Johansen neighbourhood following the roads. I saw nothing of interest,
just some glassy factory slag that certainly would catch the locals attention
as a possible meteorite. I went down to the water in the SE for the second
time. I was a bit tired of this now.

Michael Mazur on this day had been searching in the area around Martinsens
cabin where he chanced upon Gren and Ralew from Germany and Marcins polish
team. They had found nothing either. Then he suddenly called me, he was now
just north of Johansens house, by the playing ground. So I went up to him, 
a bit

desolated, and he told me had to go back home for his job the next day.
Mazur as the smart guy he is, had succeded in getting an article in the Moss
newspaper with the title 'Meteorite-hunter on the spot'  ( he asked me to join
him on this, but I was to tired or to accustomed to use such a way for hunting
meteorites, so I turned down his offer - stupid of me).
Anyway, as I met Mazur with his car and he told me he had to leave for home
quite soon now, I said:'Well, at least you should a get a real interesting 
local
stone with you as a memory [as long as you didn't find a meteorite]!' So, 
off I went

into the thickest bush, where I half an hour before had spotted a good example
of a rhombic-porfyric (norw:'rombeporfyr') volcanic rock so typical of the 
permian

volcanism around the Oslofjord area.

When I came back to his car with his souvenir, IT had happened!
He had just then gotten a phone call because of the article in the 
newspaper that day.
He was talking to them. He said to me, 'This sounds interesting, we should 
check

this out!' I placed his souvenir on the floor of the car quickly
And, off we went.
We met the excited finders. A fairly flat stone wrapped in aluminum foil 
was shown

to us. We had our doubts at this point.
Off the cover went.  'Is this a .?'

Well, a split-second later it was clear to both of us!!
A fairly large stone with 2/3 of black crust, some spots non crusted and
with a middle-dark gray interior, was there right before our eyes.
It certainly was a beautiful example of the 'Moss'-fall, just the type
the whole bunch of meteorite-searchers hab been looking for most of
the week.

We were so lucky to later find more pieces that day where we learned the rock
had originally been found..
What a birthday celebration for a meteorite-hunter...!

So the list should be like this, I have ammended some information:

1. 35 gr - The first at Martinsens cabin, found friday
  14. july 1025 (as the fall time)
2. 750 gr - Johansens house, monday 17. july.
3. 1-2 kg  in all - 19th/23rd July. NW of Johansen stone
4. 800 gr - Who M. Bilet found together with Mike Farmer
   sunday 30 july. No location information.
5. 676 gr - Found on a company`s roof friday 4 august.

When I came back to the hotel that evening with my equipment and alone,
I spotted some guys at a table which I had not met in real life before...
One of them loking my way, I certainly thought it must be the one and
only Mike Farmer!
One guy with long curly hair, seemingly having a good time, had
his back towards me. It had to be Robert Haag.
The meteorite world had come to Norway...
A memorable birthday.

Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway



> Hello Morton and List,
>
> This may be just a minor point but for purposes of
> clarification, I would like to suggest that your list
> of found stones be renumber

[meteorite-list] A new 676 g meteorite went through storage building in Moss

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Here is another article.
As it is at this point (there has been 3 versions in the last
two hours), in the second picture the caption says that it melted
through the roof covering! And looking at the picture it
actually looks like it did! Pretty amazing..
The third picture is not of this case, but a metal piece earlier
suspected to be a meteorite.


http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/ostfold/1.825791

English article:
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1415787.ece
(repeats the 1969 error!)

First article:
http://www.moss-avis.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060809/SISTENYTT/60809009


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[meteorite-list] A new 676 g meteorite went through storage building in Moss

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Just out in many newspaper websites etc in Norway:
A 676 g CO meteorite was found after a roof started to leak following the
first rains after the July 14th fall.
A company was hired to find the reson for the leakage.
10 cm down in the roof  the cause of the leakage was found,
another meteorite!
This stone fits the stone found in Frode Johansens garden (752 g).
It will today be donated to the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo
by the company owning the storage building.
This must be the first fall through a roof in Europe since Glanerbrug in
April 1990. (Not since 1969 as stated in the norwegian article.)


http://www.moss-avis.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060809/SISTENYTT/60809009


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway


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[meteorite-list] A new 752 gram meteorite found in Moss, Norway

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Today another fresh meteorite was recovered in Norway most probably
from the same fall as on Friday. This time right in a built-up area in the town
of Moss. Moss is situated close to the Oslofjord, population about 30.000.

This means the strewnfield must be at least about 3-4 km going in a 
nortwesterly

direction. To be noted is that around 40-50% of the stretch of the centerline
in the strewnfield is water, and the Oslofjord except the narrow island of 
Jeløya

is to the west!

Article from a local newspaper is here (in norwegian):
http://www.moss-avis.no/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060718/NYHET/107180012#

Bjørn Sørheim


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[meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite falling on Friday!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

More good images a story around the fall:
http://www.astro.uio.no/ita/nyheter/meteoritt_0706/meteoritt_0706.html

Bjørn Sørheim


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[meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite falling on Friday!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
A better image here:
http://www.aftenposten.no/viten/article1389622.ece

Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway 



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[meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite falling on Friday!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Here are some images photographed off the TV-screen
on this story from NRK.
Sorry about the quality. I'm sure the story will be covered with
good photos quite soon now. (My images are large!)

http://home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/060714

The man was inside and first heard a rumbling sound, went outside,
heard a whistling sound, then a piece hit the corrugated iron
2 m from him, and slid along the length of  the iron plate.
They do look like true typical chondrites, I would say.

(I found one local newspaper that covered the story but no photos and in
norwegian.)


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway 



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[meteorite-list] Man in Norway 2 m from meteorite falling on Friday!

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
Just shown on NRK news today.
A man in Rygge, Norway was 2 meters from being hit by meteorite on Friday.
The recovered pieces was just shown on the news. Seems to be less than 500 g.
But probabbly many other pieces near by.

The meteorite hit a piece of corrugated iron.
This DO seems real, but what a turn of events!!
Is this a case of the 'interest factor'??

Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway


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[meteorite-list] Meteorite doubts emerge (the Norway "meteorite)

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello,
I think you mean 380 tons TNT,
not 380 kilotons, right!?
Hiroshima was about 20 ktons TNT,
so your figure is approaching almost a
half Megaton TNT, that's awsome!

Else, I absolutly agree on what is the point of your article,
I think the first incident spawned the last, yes. That was
what I reasoned myself, too.

Since the 17th of June (resultless helicopterride) there has been no
news about the Troms meteor anywhere in Norway. I have been checking.

Also note that according to an article by Ceplecha, there is only
a 30% chance of large fireballs being chondritic (- or heavier).
H. H. Nininger by the way, in his autobiography, said that only about 1 in 5
large fireball events brought about the real thing - a meteorite on the ground.
This according to his meteorite searches through his long career.


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway

-
Hi,

I believe the quick and enthusiastic response
to this "incident" was potentiated by the earlier
Norwegian bolide last month. Word of it didn't
even get reported for several days but interest
built up after a week. It was unexpected and so
it took people awhile to "wake up" to the event.
This kind of report -- the odd rock and the
strange hole in the garden kind of report -- tends
to come, singly or in a small flurry, after a real
event. The seed of the notion is already in place.
Humans "see" what they are prepared to "see."
Likewise, they often don't "see" what they
don't expect to "see." The senses+brain system
is not a simple "camera-like" mechanism.
By now, Norwegians were "prepared" to
think METEORITE.
Meanwhile, we hear nothing more about the
very real earlier object or the location of its
terminal point, witnesses, etc. Its energy has

been determined to have been about 380
kiloTons of TNT,

but beyond that, nothing,
which is the usual outcome of a big fireball.

Sterling K. Webb 



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[meteorite-list] re: Another Meteorite Lands in Norway?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
Certainly share your doubts about this one.
Could be a very earthly plutonic rock, e.g. 'mangerite' which is
common in places in Norway...?

Here is a link to the local astronomy society with some good close-up
pictures:

http://www.ux.his.no/saf/


Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway


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[meteorite-list] re: Another Meteorite Lands in Norway?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
Here is also the local province TV news for Rogaland,
that claim this is most probably a meteorite!
First story in news there today.
This is made by the national public TV of Norway - NRK,
the no. 1 station in Norway.
It was also very similarly conveyed  on TV2, the biggest comercial
station today.
Sorry they are so wrong to the best of my knowledge.

(You can zoom to full screen - possibly you must register to see it.)

http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/175394

Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway 



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Re: [meteorite-list] More exact information about the norwegian fall

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello Chris,
I just checked some weather charts from that day and time.
It seems at ground level there would be not much more than
5 m/s from southwest blowing at the outskirts of a Low
near Jan Mayen in the Northermost Atlantic.

With winds aloft I have no experience. Any easy way to come up
with a   wind profile   for that location and time, that is up to 30 k m?

I see on the best meteor photos of this event, that there is a thin line
going completly straight out forward of the big event. Meaning those 
particles that

survived continued without retardation. (There seems also to be a small event
forward of the big one.)
Wouldn't that mean in this and in the general case that some travel (forward
(would like to know the average) is the norm?

Bjørn Sørheim

At 20:51 14.06.2006, you wrote:

Hi Bjorn-

A strewn field need not be forward of the retardation point at all. You 
need to look at the wind conditions, since that is very important in 
determining the fall zone. In the absence of other information, the best 
place to start searching is directly under the retardation point (or under 
any disruption events). Reports of sound are very useful- when you have 
found an area with many witnesses to sound, there's a good chance you are 
also near any possible fall zone.


Chris

*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


- Original Message ----- From: "Bjorn Sorheim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 8:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] More exact information about the norwegian fall


List,
I have tried getting more exact information on this fall.
In Norway any more exact info has not come out in the last days as far
as I know. Partly this is because the first sensational rush has died down,
and there is no reason to believe a Hiroshima explosion or anything
aproximating
that took place. Neither, as I write in another post, is an impact point or
crater/scar
found. The astromomers/scientist involved is not letting out more
information right know. They are probably considering what to do, or maybe
considereing just waiting to see if anything more pops up.

Personally I have been gathering information about this event using the
best info I can find.

I will put out some preliminary results, just to get this case in a more
sensible
direction:

I have found an endpoint height using the local witness information and photos
 (this is all my work):

Endpoint (Hemmungspunkt): 27.8 km (quite certain)
Inclination (quite uncertain) : near 45 degrees
Coming from direction :  W through N to E

Visible in an area of over 400 km.
Sounds (explosions etc.) for about 100 km , possibly more.
Sounded like a canon, rifle shot, thunder. As known, many was awaken
by the sounds, hypersonic bang/explosion in the North Reisadalen area.
Light phenomena: Even though there was a midnight sun low in the north, the
meteor lit up the mountains and landscape, it was like a white lightning.
The fireball was red in color and was fragmenting.
Only two persons has come out in the media with photos.
There seems to be no video. A bit unfortunately these two persons
are placed just a few km from each other and around 60 to 80 km
from the explosion.

So I wonder what the list make out of these more precise facts?

One question I have: How much further from the retardation point (end
point) in km
would the pieces travel given the numbers above?

Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway

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[meteorite-list] More exact information about the norwegian fall

[Bjorn Sorheim]

List,
I have tried getting more exact information on this fall.
In Norway any more exact info has not come out in the last days as far
as I know. Partly this is because the first sensational rush has died down,
and there is no reason to believe a Hiroshima explosion or anything 
aproximating
that took place. Neither, as I write in another post, is an impact point or 
crater/scar

found. The astromomers/scientist involved is not letting out more
information right know. They are probably considering what to do, or maybe
considereing just waiting to see if anything more pops up.

Personally I have been gathering information about this event using the
best info I can find.

I will put out some preliminary results, just to get this case in a more 
sensible

direction:

I have found an endpoint height using the local witness information and photos
 (this is all my work):

Endpoint (Hemmungspunkt): 27.8 km (quite certain)
Inclination (quite uncertain) : near 45 degrees
Coming from direction :  W through N to E

Visible in an area of over 400 km.
Sounds (explosions etc.) for about 100 km , possibly more.
Sounded like a canon, rifle shot, thunder. As known, many was awaken
by the sounds, hypersonic bang/explosion in the North Reisadalen area.
Light phenomena: Even though there was a midnight sun low in the north, the
meteor lit up the mountains and landscape, it was like a white lightning.
The fireball was red in color and was fragmenting.
Only two persons has come out in the media with photos.
There seems to be no video. A bit unfortunately these two persons
are placed just a few km from each other and around 60 to 80 km
from the explosion.

So I wonder what the list make out of these more precise facts?

One question I have: How much further from the retardation point (end 
point) in km

would the pieces travel given the numbers above?

Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway 



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RE: [meteorite-list] Norway Meteorite Impact Site Believed to be Found

[Bjorn Sorheim]

At 04:54 13.06.2006, you wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:52:07 -0700, you wrote:
>wonder just how he picked the 12 kilo number. It is clear that a meteorite
>fell somewhere in the north of Norway, but that is about the extent of it

I'm not even sure if that much is established.  I can't read Norse (or 
whatever

language this page is in) and I'm no seismologist, but it looks like this
reading is of two different frequences recorded at one station, not two 
stations

(as some have mentioned).


Please wake up:
It's  *three* stations:
 - Karasjok in Finmark, Norway east of Troms.
 - Kiruna in north Sweden, south(west) of Troms
 - Luleå in north Sweden, south(east) of Troms



And it looks like the 2-4 hertz event took place over
just a few seconds, but the 6-10 hertz event around 2 1/2 minutes and started
before the shorter frequency event.  That wouldn't make much sense for a
meteorite hit, I woud think.  Could it be that someone saw a bright fireball,
then coincidentally there was a landslide or small quake or something, and 
that

the two events aren't related?

I"m sure that "siesmiske signaler" has to mean the reading from the 
seismograph


 - means 'seimic signals'


and the "Norsk lokal tid" must mean "Norse local time",


- correct!


but what the heck does
"lavfrekvent lydsignal" mean?


lowfrequence sound signal



http://www.astro.uio.no/ita/nyheter/ildkule06/ildkule06.html

http://www.astro.uio.no/ita/nyheter/ildkule06/ARCES.jpg
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Re: [meteorite-list] norwegian fall

[Bjorn Sorheim]

In this article(norwegian)
http://www.framtidinord.no/nyheter/article45150.ece
it says in the heading (translated):

** A [rock] slide no meteorite. **

(This story is also on the front page of www.framtidinord.no at the moment).

The location has been know to [many] locals since a month back.
Many has turned to the newspaper with this information in the last days.
Locals has known the slide since the snow disappeared at least one month ago.
Also a part of a local road in this Mosko vally taken by the slide is visible
to anyone going there.
So it's a very usual phenomenon in this area, which was associated
unrightfully with the exploding and rolling sounds between the vally sides.

Bjørn Sørheim,
In Norway

---
Full norwegain text:

Utglidning, ikke meteoritt
Av  AV INGE BJØRN HANSEN

Det er ikke en meteoritt som har forårsaket raset i fjellsiden i Moskodalen 
i Reisadalen.
Beboere i området bekrefter overfor Framtid i Nord at de har observert 
arret i fjellsiden nesten helt siden den tiden snøen gikk tidligere i vår.


En av dem som bekrefter at det ikke har slått noen meteoritt ned i området, 
i alle fall ikke siste uka, er Håkon Rosengren. Han bor på den gården som 
er nærmest utrasningsstedet i det som folk i dalen kaller "Lillefjellet".


Dette fjellet ligger i utløpet av Moskodalen. Fra gården han ser man rett 
på bruddet i fjellsiden. Også veien raset har tatt er klart synlig.


- Kona og jeg går tur i området nesten hver dag. Det rasområdet som var 
omtalt som nedslagsfelt for sist ukes meteoritt i Nord-Troms er i alle fall 
en måned gammelt, sier Rosengren, og er dermed en av mange som har 
bekreftet dette overfor Framtid i Nord.




At 11:03 13.06.2006, you wrote:

That has the look of a percussion mark, to me.
The shape is elipsoidal, the internal part is fractured, the envolving rock
seams, by contrast, healty.
It would be a strange rockslide.
Even if the scale of the scar is dificult to evaluate from the photo, a mass
of an average car falling at the final speed of a meteorite, would not let
more evidence on a granite surface than this, I think.
Big craters form when cosmic speed is maintained, with asteroid sized
bodies, but why are we expecting such a big thing?
AA


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[meteorite-list] Holy crap-- can anyone confirm this? Any vikings on the list?

[Bjorn Sorheim]

Hello List,
I think the information in this article is greatly exaggerated.
But the astronomer Mr. K.J. Røed Ødegaard is a bit to blame
for jumping to conclusions again it seems...
Another astronomer based much closer at The Northern Light
Observatorium in Tromsø, Mr. Truls Lynne Hansen says to the same
newspaper (Aftenposten) that they there think it could be a stone of
10-12 kg!
And he says he strongly reacts to the comparison with an atomic
bomb.
'"That's a great exaggeration", he says to the
newspaper.
I think the story about  it hitting a mountainside complete with
picture
is very poorly backed up with facts.
Searching around in newspaper in this area (Troms) I also see now
that
Mr. Ødegaard is backing off this belief. ( in

www.framtidinord.no).
It seems to me that a bright large meteor complete with light and sound
phenomena 
seems  a bit exotic take-on for both a big newspaper and a general
astronomer.
Such phenomena needs a specialist, in my view...
Personally I cannot judge the size, to little exact information.
The sound phenomena is quite strong it seems. The story about
curtains
blowing in is maybe hard to prove. Would like to see this confirmed by
others.
Can one get a more precise value of the energy in the explosion
deducing
from the seismic signal?
Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway
(I'm almost 2000 km from this location) 


---

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1346411.ece 
Record meteorite hit Norway 
As Wednesday morning dawned, northern Norway was hit with an impact
comparable 
to the atomic bomb used on Hiroshima. 
At around 2:05 a.m. on Wednesday, residents of the northern part of Troms
and 
the western areas of Finnmark could clearly see a ball of fire taking
several 
seconds to travel across the sky. 
A few minutes later an impact could be heard and geophysics and
seismology 
research foundation NORSAR registered a powerful sound and seismic
disturbances 
at 02:13.25 a.m. at their station in Karasjok. 
Farmer Peter Bruvold was out on his farm in Lyngseidet with a camera
because his 
mare Virika was about to foal for the first time. 
"I saw a brilliant flash of light in the sky, and this became a
light with a 
tail of smoke," Bruvold told Aftenposten.no. He photographed the
object and then 
continued to tend to his animals when he heard an enormous crash.

"I heard the bang seven minutes later. It sounded like when you set
off a solid 
charge of dynamite a kilometer (0.62 miles) away," Bruvold said.

Astronomers were excited by the news. 
"There were ground tremors, a house shook and a curtain was blown
into the 
house," Norway's best known astronomer Knut Jørgen Røed Ødegaard
told 
Aftenposten.no. 
Røed Ødegaard said the meteorite was visible to an area of several
hundred 
kilometers despite the brightness of the midnight sunlit summer sky. The

meteorite hit a mountainside in Reisadalen in North Troms. 
"This is simply exceptional. I cannot imagine that we have had such
a powerful 
meteorite impact in Norway in modern times. If the meteorite was as large
as it 
seems to have been, we can compare it to the Hiroshima bomb. Of course
the 
meteorite is not radioactive, but in explosive force we may be able to
compare 
it to the (atomic) bomb," Røed Ødegaard said. 
The astronomer believes the meteorite was a giant rock and probably the
largest 
known to have struck Norway. 
"The record was the Alta meteorite that landed in 1904. That one was
90 kilos 
(198 lbs) but we think the meteorite that landed Wednesday was
considerably 
larger," Røed Ødegaard said, and urged members of the public who saw
the object 
or may have found remnants to contact the Institute of Astrophysics.



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