[meteorite-list] Collection has been sold.
Dear Friends and Associates My entire collection of specimens, books, field equipment and miscellaneous was sold today to one individual dealer. I am very pleased with the outcome and wish to thank all of you who expressed an interest and those who also wished me well. I retained the Stump Springs main mass that I found in the Nevada desert on my very first expedition for sentimental reasons. A Happy New Year to all! Count Deiro Met-Soc __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Holidays!! And Selling Out!
Hello Pierre and the others who have so kindly expressed their interest, I wasn't sure how my notice that I was going to sell would be received. Now that I see that there is interest (Thanks to you who responded and your good wishes) I will take the time to put together a list with pictures and provenance and asking prices. I am not in any shape to do that myself and I have to wait for a friend who can do most of the technical work to come back from his holidays. I estimate ten days or so. So I beg your indulgence and trust all understand the circumstances. Happy New Year! Guido IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Pelé Pierre-Marie via Meteorite-list > >Sent: Dec 26, 2016 10:08 PM >To: MeteoriteList >Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Holidays!! And Selling Out! > >Hello > >Guido Deiro doesn't reply to my emails. I'm just asking for his list of items >for sale... > > >Pierre-Marie Pelé >Meteor-Center >Météorites : achat - vente - expertise - expéditions - recherche >http://www.meteor-center.com >Membre de la Meteoritical Society >Membre de l'International Meteorite Association Collectors >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy Holidays!! And Selling Out!
Hi Friends and Associates, I have a lot to be happy for as I am still taking up space and vital resources after surviving a near lethal heart attack October 15th. Know what it's like to croak and I would share that it doesn't hurt, no anxiety, no pain, just slip away into nothingness until they blast your heart back into running again and you wake up to the sirens and poking and prodding. What with the cancers and now the heart issues I will be liquidating my collection now nearly every specimen bought from you all... The 2.1 gram crusted British Museum Nakhla is gone already to a member. You have to know when to hold them and when to fold them...as was famously sung. A Happy Christmas/Channukah Holiday to you all and your loved ones. Best wishes for a Happy and Prosperous New Year. I have enjoyed my association with IMCA and the Meteoritical Society. If anyone wants to jump on their horse and come out here and get first dibs...be my guest. It all has to go. Over 150 specimens, plus a plethora of books, references, scopes, tools and detectors. Sold the Jeep Grand Cherokee I set up for hunts. Guido (702) 373-4040 7007 Whispering Sands Drive Las Vegas, Nevada 89131 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cosmic Dust gets its Due
Hi All, Media finally wakes up to what has been known to meteoriticists for years. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/12/06/cosmic-dust-found-rooftops-paris/ A few years ago a friend took me up onto an expandable gas storage tank facility that had been in operation for almost fifty years in LA and using a broom mounted with six bar magnets we swept a rough asphalt surface of about 200' in circumference. We recovered two six inch sandwich baggies of material. I still have mine. On a 100 power scope the particles look similar to the ones depicted at the above link. I have tried the plaster bottom of fountains and pools with lesser success. Count Deiro INCA 3536 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite
That had to have made a helluva thump when it hit.Surprised it didn't make a deeper hole...or a crater. Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Mattias Bärmann via Meteorite-list Sent: Sep 13, 2016 8:25 AM To: almi...@localnet.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite Nice pic of the newbie ... http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-1047905-galleryV9-xonf-1047905.jpg Am 13.09.2016 um 16:10 schrieb almitt2--- via Meteorite-list: Hi List, All sells of big iron meteorites of 28,000 kilos and over are now suspended! Ya I know, I don't like that cute joke anymore either but had to "weigh" in. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list : Hi, My reading of the article, albeit through Google translate, talks about El Chaco being reweighed and its weight being reported at 28,840 kilos. The newly discovered meteorite weighs 30,800 kilos. Thanks, Peter -Original Message- From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:05 AM To: metlist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite https://steemit.com/gancedo/@merlinesm/meteorite-record-the-gancedo-weighs-3 0-8-tons-and-is-the-fourth-largest-in-the-world This article, with some great photos, lists it at 4th with 30,800kg as the official measure. Weighing the big ones like this and compairing them to others has always been confusing it seems. 2nd or 4th is kkind of irrelevant in my book. Still amazing... Cheers, John A. Shea, MD IMCA 3295 Sent using the mail.com mail app On 9/13/16 at 2:01 AM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote: Just a journalistic failure to fact check... The original El Chaco is said to be 37.4 MT (37,400 kg). They need to weigh this "Gancedo" more accurately perhaps, but it is over 14,500 pounds more to get from the Gancedo 30.8 MT to the El Chaco 37.4 MT: see the recovery of the find here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7OGZpVbI6I Best Doug -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel via Meteorite-list To: Sterling K. Webb ; meteorite-list Sent: Tue, Sep 13, 2016 1:41 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite I have seen this in the news a few times today. Amazing find but I'm confused. This new find is 34 tons. El Chaco weighs in at 37 tons and Hoba has them beat at 66. I missing a metric conversion in reference to El Chaco? Referencing the book The Campo Del Cielo Meteorites, Vol. II, Chaco Guillermo Faivovich and Nicolas Goldberg 2012 Page 45 Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: "Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list" Sent: Monday, September 12, 2016 9:52 PM To: Subject: [meteorite-list] The World's Second Largest Meteorite > List, > > A 34-ton iron has been found > in the Campo del Cielo region > of Argentina: > http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article/article_xinhua.aspx?id=332776 > > The meteorite was found on > Sept. 10 in the town of Gancedo, > 1,085 km north of Buenos Aires, > Mario Vesconi, president of the > Astronomy Association of Chaco, > told the daily newspaper Clarin." > > "While we hoped for weights above > what had been registered, we did > not expect it to exceed 30 [metric] > tons," Vesconi noted, adding that > "the size and weight [about 68,000 > pounds] surprised us." > > "The meteorite will be weighed > again to ensure an accurate > measurement. The largest > meteorite ever found is Hoba, > weighing 66 tons, in Namibia." > > See also: > http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/sep/12/30-ton-meteor-discovere > d-in-arg > entina-at-ancient-m/ > > > Sterling K. Webb > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral > and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archi
[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Meteorites 3
-Forwarded Message- From: Count Deiro Sent: Sep 9, 2016 5:06 PM To: Michael Blood Subject: Re: Meteorites 3 Hi Michael and List,A small but important bit of errata in the descriptions accompaning your very nice offerings for sale.Not all Cat Mountain originates from CAT 1 which was obtained by Haag from the deceased finder's son. There are two other individual finds totalling around three hundred grams from the same area as the original meteorite, that have been classified by Dr. Ted Bunch and listed in the Bulletin.Cat 2 Found by a newbie and sent to me for initial determination as a meteorite and on to Bumch for paid classification. All this material, save the approx. 20 gram sample at NAU and a 23 gram slice given me by the finder, has been bought and sold to other collectors by dealer Ruben Garcia.Cat 3 Another individual found by Carl Esparza was lost in transit after being classified by Ted Bunch and listed. Carl still thinks I stole it.To my knowledge that is all the material found and classified as Cat Mountain.Regards,Count DeiroIMCA 3536 -Original Message->From: Michael Blood >Sent: Sep 9, 2016 4:08 PM>To: Meteorites 3 >Subject: Meteorites 3>>Greetings,> Another 25 or 30 new specimens from the private collection>I am selling.> Please note there are some KILLER specimens in this group,>Including but not limited to oriented Millbillillie and Camel Dongas,>A stunning etched specimen of Cape York, a huge etched Boxhole,>A slice of Cat Mountainand the list goes on.> Sales will go on a first received basis.> Sales to the US and Canada are $6.10 Priority Mail> Sales outside the US are $200 minimum purchase and>Via Registered Mail at $35-> NO sales to Italy - sorry.> IF YOU ARE IN CA THERE IS A SALES TAX - otherwise,>No sales tax. - let me know if you are in CA> Payment via PayPal, please.>> ALSO: please note that remaining items from previous sales>Have been marked down yet again.>>> SEE AT:>>http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/PrivateColSALE.html>> Happy Hunting!> Michael>> __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lucky teen inches from death as METEORITE crash lands next to him
Hi all, This story is so full of unforced errors it is an insult to a reader's intelligence. Some, not all, are the photo of the specimen is deliberately blurred, but what we see is something with a lithography and color unlike a fresh fall.. and the weight is way less than what would be expected from the reported size..and he holds it with a cloth in one hand while touching it with his bare other. Major Czech b.s... Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Tommy via Meteorite-list >Sent: Aug 1, 2016 8:48 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucky teen inches from death as METEORITE crash >lands next to him > > >Rght. > >http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/534338/Lucky-teen-inches-death-METEORITE-crash-lands-next-him > > >Regards! > > >Tom > >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites
Hi all,It's true meteors travel at an insignificant percentage of the speed of light. Speeds up to 260,000 kilometers an hour are reached by meteors entering the earth's atmosphere versus light's maximum of 1079252848.8 kilometers an hour in a perfect vacuum.Outer space is very, very cold and is an imperfect vacuum. If it has any mass, the speed of light can be much slower. In an extreme situation, perhaps a velocity where the comparative speed of the meteor would be in the 5% range. Which would have a measurable affect on its age as a meteorite.I mention this, because published papers establish that the colder the mass through which light is being perceived, the slower its speed. For instance, the speed of light through very cold, laser-bathed, sodium atoms, can be only 50 meters a second!Count Deiro-Original Message->From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jul 18, 2016 4:00 PM>To: Michael Mulgrew , pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites>>>Pete, Michael & Rob,>>Au contraire smart guys>Every morning, PAUL sends us a meteorite At the speed of light--->>(:>)>>>- Original Message - >From: "Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list" >To: "Pete Shugar" >Cc: "The List" >Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 6:31 PM>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] age of meteorites>>>No meteoroid body travels anywhere near "a subtantual [sic] percentage>of the speed of light". Although their relative ages will be>different based on Einstein's theory, their practical age is>realistically unaffected I would think.>>Michael in so. Cal.>>On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Pete Shugar via Meteorite-list> wrote:>> greetings to all,>> my background is in electronics. everything deals with either C or C2.>> Einstein states that nothing goes faster than the speed of light and>> that as you approach the speed of light, things get older slower.>> So this meteorite in it's travels is going at a rate that is a>> subtantual percentage of the speed of light. Has anyone taken this into>> consideration when placing an age on the meteorite?>> Just a thought to tickle the old brain cells!!>> Pete Shugar>> __>>>> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com>> Meteorite-list mailing list>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>__>>Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com>Meteorite-list mailing list>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>>__>>Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com>Meteorite-list mailing list>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to Stay on Subject.
In case anyone had any doubts about how much of a horses' ass I might be http://www.greatbritishracing.com/news-and-features/latest-news/count-guido-deiro-outstays-his-rivals/#IVhBj6LkfXJaJVTY.97 Bevis Stable and I have a six month old foal that the Countess has named "Meteor" Cheers, Count Guido Deiro INCA 3536 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
No apologies necessary, John. It had to be said by someone. Too often the List gets hijacked by self-righteous, self centered, self inportant, supercillious gas bags. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 You have stated what many Listees agree with. -Original Message- >From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jun 20, 2016 2:47 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black > >List, >My apologies first > >What the Hell am I missing here?? Someone set me straight >--or better yet Don't respond. 3 days--Enough already ! > >This thread is bordering on stupidity and/or insulting to >this List. > >Move On.. > >John > > > >- Original Message - >From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 2:54 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black > > >Mondegreens > >Here is a perfect example: > >http://www.amiright.com/misheard/song/orangecrush.shtml > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list >To: Dark Matter >Cc: Meteorite List ; Bigjohn Shea >Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 7:41 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black > > >I want what you guys are taking! "Pots with paint brushes calling kettles >names! >With reference to the Hupe brothers, if one was a different color, it might >ease >some of the confusion as to who is who! You so funny! > >Sent from my iPad > >On Jun 19, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Dark Matter via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > >Looks like we got the band back together on this one. > > >Cheers, > > >Martin > > > > >On Sunday, June 19, 2016, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list > wrote: > >This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites... > > > >Sent using the mail.com mail app > >On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote: > >> Captain Blood wrote: >> >> "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over >> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. >> The original phrase in this instance is >> "Pot calling the kettle black." >> >> = >> You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is not >> at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of >> Adam's original aphorism or proverb he intended. Though there are even older >> proverbs capturing his thought, I think he might >> have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the middle ages, hundreds of >> years before the pot/kettle abomination existed: >> >> "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader, >> are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250) >> >> The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely >> resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game >> to use as he did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the >> interpretation is supported, whether it sounds good to >> everyone's ear or only to some. I have traced the origin of the pot/kettle >> proverb undisputedly to the ancient Greek, "Snake and >> the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the reflection/coloring >> suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure and >> without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a >> late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year >> old proverb that diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer >> can appropriate it as they feel convenient and not be >> beholden to any higher authority on its use due to the selection of an >> arbitrary point in time, and Adam has referenced his with >> a less common modern variant. English is always evolving, and this is a >> living example of how it ha > pp >> ens. >> >> Kindest wishes >> Doug >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list >> To: Paul Gessler ; Met. Adam Hupe >> ; Meteorite List >> >> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black >> >> Hi all, >> Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over >> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases. >> The original phrase in this instance is >> "Pot calling the kettle black." >> Michael Blood >> >> >> On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" >> wrote:
[meteorite-list] Latest on the "Major" Find.
Hello Listees, First...Let's make sure everyone interested knows that this was not my find. Second...All present were required a few days ago to sign a non-disclosure agreement prepared by the finder's lawyer. Third...The finder is aware that we were "ratted" out to the Feds within 24 hours of the announcement of the find on the List. The finder has a pretty good idea who did it and is working on getting proof and will expose the fink and seek some form of retribution. I said "Let me know how that works out for ya." Fourth.. The specimen has been sent far away for classification. An initial report this morning was that we may be looking at the first of its type found in this area. If it is what they think it is, it will also be the largest of one found intact on this continent. It weighs in kilos! Fifth and Final.A cash offer has been made and accepted contingent on the classification. My friendship with the finder, and the fact that I did put that person on the site, resulted in my getting the pleasure of telling my other friends on the List about this perhaps historic find. There won't be any more said from this quarter. Keep hunting..there are treasures to be found...even where others have looked. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery
Listen up...Luftkopf, When you take on Ann Black you also take on nearly the entire meteoritic sales and collecting community. What she has to say about you and your claims represents, at my last count, nearly everyone in IMCA. You are not the first of your ilk to come along... and as an interested observor reminded of the fate of those who have preceeded you, I would say tread lightly as you have entered a proverbial mine field. Shalom, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 met Soc -Original Message- >From: Ann Cain via Meteorite-list >Sent: Apr 24, 2016 5:10 PM >To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars >Meteorite Discovery > >Anne Black, > > >I would really be careful about making statements that just aren’t true and >are meant to belittle. > > >You sell meteorites. You deal meteorites. You provide a very good service for >the world-wide meteorite community, but do you do the science of meteoritics? >Do you know how to verify a meteorite? Can you classify a meteorite? Can you >verify/prove the Parent Body for Achondrites? > > >I can. You will be proven wrong. > > >We’ve met. We talked for a while many years ago in Tucson. I was there in your >temporary sales shop. The master technician who makes your high quality hand >crafted double-polished meteorite thin-sections that you sell also made my >thin-sections. He’s the best no doubt about it. I don’t want to see him stop >his great craft. There’s not another like him. If it wasn’t for his >brilliantly made thin-sections, I wouldn’t have made the US World Record Mars >Meteorite Discovery I made. His work allowed me to prove it. This world class >technician knows. He knows. > > >All GSA and GSB Mars Meteorite thin-sections were made by this master >technician. As a result, not only was I able to prove previously the >megascopic on-site evidence in the field proving meteoritic origin, and the >megascopic evidence proving, fusion crust, orientation, regmaglypts, >drip-lines, melt accumulate etc., but due to these well-crafted hand polished >thin-sections I was able to prove the microscopic evidence of impact shock >metamorphism at the mineral grain level: undulose extinction, planar >fractures, planar deformation features (PDFs), decorative PDFs, shock melt >veins and pockets, mosaicism, Plagioclase ---> Maskelynite, and Quartz ---> >Coesite ---> Stishovite, high bi-refrigence, thetomorphs ---> incipient >vaporization ---> vesicles and round vesicles, impact shock melt (localized), >impact shock imbedded grains or blebs of metals, Fe-oxides or Goethite, >minerals, or globules from the original impactor, and micro impact shock >effects within opaque Fe-oxide grains (which I’m in the process of studying >and which seems to be an in-described phenomenon and very unique.) The >identified shock stage for GSA is (S4) and GSB is (S5). All this proves they >are meteorites. > > >Also these high quality hand polished thin-sections have resulted in a new >discovery in terms of impact-shock metamorphism effects on FeO grains within >Mars meteorites at the microscopic level. When all is said and done, this new >microscopic opaque FeO grain impact-shock metamorphism effect will have to be >named after myself and this world class thin-section technician, and it should >be called “ ___ - ___ pattern.” I discovered these opaque standing >in positive relief Ni enriched lamellae within the FeO grains only as a result >of these high quality hand polished thin-sections. Without these well-made >thin-sections I wouldn’t have been able to see these patterns. Once I >discovered them, then I called and asked the thin section technician to look, >and he found them too. This effect, this pattern in micro-grains of FeOs are >not Widmanstatten pattern. They are not Martinization. This is a new Mars >meteoritic effect/pattern due to impact-shock metamorphism within opaque >grains of FeOs. > >http://www.gfoundit-mars.com/GSB3XPLPPinc400XNiEnrichLam1.jpg > > > >In addition, with these very high quality double polished thin-sections, it is >possible the do optical mineralogy and using the results from whole rock oxide >analysis for bulk FeO/MnO ration vs. % Anorthite, using the Michel-Levy Method >(an optical mineralogy method), the Parent Body can be determined between >Mars, Earth, Asteroid 4 Vesta, Moon, and Angrites. The Parent Body is Mars. > > >Then the geochemistry evidence comes from the whole rock oxide analysis data >from private industry company that is very professional, well respected, and a >very well-known lab used by many University geology departments. From this >data
Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery
Er iz meshuge afn gantsn kop! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list >Sent: Apr 23, 2016 4:09 PM >To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars >Meteorite Discovery > > >Buckle your seat belts, here we go again. > >- Original Message - >From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" > >To: "Ann Cain" >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 6:56 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list]WR Gallery Delay – U.S. World Record Mars >Meteorite Discovery > > >Where were these classified and by whom? > > > >On 4/23/16, Ann Cain via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> Meteorite List, >> >> I would like to apologize for not having The Gallery of World Record Mars >> Meteorites, from the US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery, ready and up >> for viewing for this Passover 4-23-16, as I said I would. Things have been >> very busy this school year. However, this summer I will finish. I now intend >> to have it ready on Rosh Hashanah 5777 AD/CE, (October 3-4, 2016), and I’m >> hoping a 3rd PR can be released at that time in addition. >> >> >> Rosh Hashanah 5777 AD/CE should be a good year of blessings, and I’m looking >> forward to a new U.S. administration. >> >> >> >> Shalom, >> >> >> Glyn Howard >> >> >> >> >> >> The Gallery of US World Record Mars Meteorite specimens: >> http://gfoundit-mars.com/GalleryOfImages.html >> >> >> The Evidence for GSA and GSB Mars Meteorites and Relevant Essays and >> Articles >> http://gfoundit-mars.com/TheEvidence.html >> >> >> The Evidence - G Found It - US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery >> http://www.einpresswire.com/article/225047567/the-evidence-g-found-it-us-world-record-mars-meteorite-discovery >> >> >> G Found It - U.S. World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery >> http://www.gfoundit-mars.com/ >> >> >> G Found It – U.S. World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery >> http://www.einpresswire.com/article/143477981/g-found-it-u-s-world-record-mars-meteorite-discovery >> >> >> >> >> >> Recall: Both my sister Ann Cain (who opened the email account) and I, Glyn >> Howard, use the same email account … >> Ann Cain, Glyn Howard >> gfndit(at)hotmail.com >> >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >-- > >www.galactic-stone.com >www.facebook.com/galacticstone >www.twitter.com/galacticstone >www.pinterest.com/galacticstone >www.instagram.com/galacticstone >www.ello.co/galacticstone >www.tsu.com/galacticstone > >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Caltech Researchers Find Evidence of a Real Ninth Planet
The Mormons are going to go nuts! This solves their missing giant planet where so many apostates are supposed to get parked in their theology story. Their planet is called "Golub". Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jan 20, 2016 1:53 PM >To: Meteorite Mailing List >Subject: [meteorite-list] Caltech Researchers Find Evidence of a Real Ninth >Planet > > >http://www.caltech.edu/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523 > >Caltech Researchers Find Evidence of a Real Ninth Planet >Caltech >January 20, 2016 > >Caltech researchers have found evidence of a giant planet tracing a bizarre, >highly elongated orbit in the outer solar system. The object, which the >researchers have nicknamed Planet Nine, has a mass about 10 times that >of Earth and orbits about 20 times farther from the sun on average than >does Neptune (which orbits the sun at an average distance of 2.8 billion >miles). In fact, it would take this new planet between 10,000 and 20,000 >years to make just one full orbit around the sun. > >The researchers, Konstantin Batygin and Mike Brown, discovered the planet's >existence through mathematical modeling and computer simulations but have >not yet observed the object directly. > >"This would be a real ninth planet," says Brown, the Richard and Barbara >Rosenberg Professor of Planetary Astronomy. "There have only been two >true planets discovered since ancient times, and this would be a third. >It's a pretty substantial chunk of our solar system that's still out there >to be found, which is pretty exciting." > >Brown notes that the putative ninth planet - at 5,000 times the mass of >Pluto - is sufficiently large that there should be no debate about whether >it is a true planet. Unlike the class of smaller objects now known as >dwarf planets, Planet Nine gravitationally dominates its neighborhood >of the solar system. In fact, it dominates a region larger than any of >the other known planets - a fact that Brown says makes it "the most planet-y >of the planets in the whole solar system." > >Batygin and Brown describe their work in the current issue of the Astronomical >Journal and show how Planet Nine helps explain a number of mysterious >features of the field of icy objects and debris beyond Neptune known as >the Kuiper Belt. > >"Although we were initially quite skeptical that this planet could exist, >as we continued to investigate its orbit and what it would mean for the >outer solar system, we become increasingly convinced that it is out there," >says Batygin, an assistant professor of planetary science. "For the first >time in over 150 years, there is solid evidence that the solar system's >planetary census is incomplete." > >The road to the theoretical discovery was not straightforward. In 2014, >a former postdoc of Brown's, Chad Trujillo, and his colleague Scott Sheppard >published a paper noting that 13 of the most distant objects in the Kuiper >Belt are similar with respect to an obscure orbital feature. To explain >that similarity, they suggested the possible presence of a small planet. >Brown thought the planet solution was unlikely, but his interest was piqued. > >He took the problem down the hall to Batygin, and the two started what >became a year-and-a-half-long collaboration to investigate the distant >objects. As an observer and a theorist, respectively, the researchers >approached the work from very different perspectives - Brown as someone >who looks at the sky and tries to anchor everything in the context of >what can be seen, and Batygin as someone who puts himself within the context >of dynamics, considering how things might work from a physics standpoint. >Those differences allowed the researchers to challenge each other's ideas >and to consider new possibilities. "I would bring in some of these >observational >aspects; he would come back with arguments from theory, and we would push >each other. I don't think the discovery would have happened without that >back and forth," says Brown. " It was perhaps the most fun year of working >on a problem in the solar system that I've ever had." > >Fairly quickly Batygin and Brown realized that the six most distant objects >from Trujillo and Shepherd's original collection all follow elliptical >orbits that point in the same direction in physical space. That is >particularly >surprising because the outermost points of their orbits move around the >solar system, and they travel at different rates. > >"It's almost like having six ha
Re: [meteorite-list] The US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery
Hi All, You gotta love the ListIt produces more fruit cakes than a German bakery. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: MEM via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jan 16, 2016 12:22 AM >To: Ann Cain , Met-List > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery > >Hello Glyn-- Giving your claim all advantages with a cursory review: Using >your 0.22 cubic meter figure and putting in the highest measured martian >density of 3.48 gr per cc, I get 76kg launch weight and 38 Kg ( assuming 50% >ablation by weight) landing under perfect conditions. My max weight from the >data i did have in my head, 28-32kg was not far off but not to the order of >magnitude difference-- it still does not add up to 800lbs.The total weight >is immaterial in one sense as to date there have been no "meteorite showers" >of martian material. The chaos of an impact, in my mind, would not produce a >coherent stream of meteoroids which would remain together for the several >hundred thousand up to millions orbits it takes for martian material to arrive >on earth. Paired finds are consistent with atmospheric breakup supporting a >single original mass. > >I saw your extensive mineralogy and you may in fact have a meteorite-- or >impactiite but, I did not see where the mineral composition nor noble gases >plotted amongst plots of the entire range of meteorites. I don't know who the >keeper of data is for those plots but you could still plot yours on the master >graph. (I may have lots of stray data in my head but that isn't one of them). > >I think that the way you seem to misdirect technical answers and the way what >you do claim what you do, is buried amongst irrelevant comparisons that lend >skepticism to your report thus far. May I say that much of your response is >filled with irrelevant comparisons and non sequitur conclusions. Apollo rocks >have nothing to do with validating your claims. > >If I unserstand, you did some of the mineralogy and sent some off for >analysis, but you won't name or revel any professional meteorist nor >geo-chemist nor anyone else accredited who has either reviewed your work or >through their own study. Yes or no? If so, what prevents you from releasing >it? What is the shock stage if you know it? > >Elton > > > > > >From: Ann Cain via Meteorite-list >To: Met-List >Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 2:05 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery > > > >Met List, > > >I appreciate honest debate. I appreciate respect. The personal attacks need to >stop. I will never respond in kind. > >Do you all not know the Met List policies? > >General List Policies (i.e. The Rules) > >1. Posts need to relate in some way to meteorites. >2. Be courteous and professional at all times. >3. No Personal Attacks. > >... > >I have not attacked the scientific community in anyway. I'm a part of it. I'm >just exposing that unethical behavior can happen behind the scenes at times. >I'm talking about a few individuals only. The greater amount of scientists and >technicians I worked with were very professional and are wonderful people to >work with. > >First I would like to respond to Elton who emailed me off-list. Elton you are >incorrect. It is possible to have a mass impact eject/launch off of Mars to a >diameter of approx. 22.0m, perhaps melted, but with oblique impacts they can >launch off the surface solid. The TKW of my discovery is greater than the mass >of Moon rocks we brought back during the all the Apollo missions, which is >approx. 382.0kg of mass. My discovery isn't a single mass but many fragments >from a heterogeneous igneous rock mass that was impact ejected/launched off >the surface of Mars, or just below the surface of Mars. The largest masses of >the fragments are larger than Zugami. It is mostly extrusive igneous rock from >Mars. > >See pg.337 > >Impact and Explosion Crater Ejecta, Fragment Size, and Velocity >http://web.gps.caltech.edu/~sue/TJA_LindhurstLabWebsite/ListPublications/Papers_pdf/Seismo_1314.pdf > > >You all need to educate yourself regarding a very dark historical event within >our Meteorite community here in the USA, The Old Woman Meteorite. It is very >true that even one of the most esteemed institutions of science in our nation >The Smithsonian Institute can get it really really wrong. The Golden Rule is >to treat others as you would like to be treated. Geologist Joe De Kehoe gets >the whole story very right. I would recommend buying his book, The Silence of >the Sun. Unfair and unjust
Re: [meteorite-list] The US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery
Mendy and All, I have a queasy feeling in the pit of my stomach. My nose is twitching and I smell an unpleasant odor. Like I'm standing near an outhouse in Colorado. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc Message- >From: Gmail via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jan 15, 2016 5:26 AM >To: Ann Cain , Met-List > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The US World Record Mars Meteorite Discovery > >There is no conspiracy except the one you have created to bring some misguided >legitimacy to your story and your rocks. > >You also do an immense disservice to our dedicated scientist and >meteoriticists. They have no malicious intent to prejudicially reject your >rocks. Their motive is furthering science not protecting the financial >interests of dealers and collectors. You are accusing the same group of >scientists who in recent years identified new Martian meteorites like Black >Beauty. My point is that a new and exciting discovery would not be suppressed >because it would benefit the scientist personally and the community at large. > >If you actually looked at market trends, you would soon discover that prices >for Martian Shergottites are falling because of an oversupply. Once you get >past the 1 or 2kg the scientific community would EVER need, the rest would >only be of concern for the collector community and the price would be set by >any number of factors such as but not limited to supply. > >Finally, I am offended that you refer to Tikkun Olam (repairing or doing good >for the benefit of the world). You are doing quite the opposite and what is >worse doing so for ego and personal benefit. When Yom Kippur comes, I can only >hope that you will be honest with yourself, atone for lashon hara (derogatory >speech) and move on. > >Respectfully, > >Mendy Ouzillou > >On Jan 15, 2016, at 1:59 AM, Ann Cain via Meteorite-list > wrote: > > >Meteorite List, > > >Recall: >Both my sister Ann Cain (who opened the email account) and I, Glyn Howard, use >the same email account: > >Ann Cain, Glyn Howard >gfndit(at)hotmail.com > > > >This has been a long time coming ... for many years now I have been a reader >of the Meteorite List. > >I know this discovery sounds Wow! Unbelievable. Surreal. Pick your adjective. >But it is what is is. All the physical empirical evidences prove it. I'm not >in fear of re-confirmation. I welcome it. I know what it is. It's all >repeatable (empirical). > >I appreciate well-known PhD members from the Meteorite List who have contacted >me off-line. I will respond. Please give me time. > > >The evidence for the typical Mars meteorite key type specimens for this >discovery: > >GSA and GSB > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/TheEvidence.html > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/TheEvidenceGSA.html > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/TheEvidenceGSB.html > > >The Gallery of US World Record Mars Meteorite specimens: > >http://gfoundit-mars.com/GalleryOfImages.html > > >I will be putting-up/finishing the gallery of World Record Mars meteorite >specimens by this Passover. > > > >I do not want to hurt anyone's professional reputation. I'm not a mean or >vengeful person. The full complete back story and certain people's identities >will remain private. Just know there is a private history in the background of >this incredible discovery and full story. Several very well known PhDs at >Universities in the meteoritics community, who are meteorite analysts, members >of the Meteoritcal Society, and perhaps at times over the years have even >posted here on the Meteorite List, have held some of these specimens in their >hands, have done tests. They know. I knew they were meteorites before I came >to them. I knew that they were achondrites. However, at the time I couldn't >prove the parent body. I didn't know how. > >The moment I wasn't willing to share or reveal the discovery site is the >moment the road-blocks, the walls, the disinformation began toward me. >(Extrusive igneous Dacite, an evolved lava, is not a sedimentary rock! Lol.) >We've seen this kind of behavior in the meteoritcs community before. It's >nothing new, sadly. This is a dark history of the meteoritics world >unfortunately. How many very rare important discoveries have been lost to the >world of science and to mankind because those in research and academia have >played unethical games of gate-keeping and have refused to just do their job >and just do pure science and do the analysis honestly and ethically without >games, without gate-keeping, without attempting to wrestle from the discoverer >the original discovery site? The discoverer has a right to withhold the >
Re: [meteorite-list] Key Capital Announces Major Potential Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured
Hi All, This is a fabulously (almost unbelievable) complex aggregation at nearly 20 oz. a ton. It's going to cost a fortune to smelt this stuff, even using the latest milling, reducing, concentrating and smelting technology. I know of only one commercial, open to the public, refiner, and that firm is in Southern Utah, so transport is going to be a factor. I wonder how they filed on this strange a trend? My tongue is half way through my cheek. Regatds, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >Sent: Dec 3, 2015 5:35 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Key Capital Announces Major Potential >Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured > >It looks as if they assayed a very metal-rich mineralized vein. This assay >is almost as good as my Rye Patch, Nevada property located right next door >to the legendary Poker Brown gold mine. The Chinese have been attempted to >pry away this land from me twice. Maybe they are buying gold-rich land in >order to back the Chinese Yuan with gold instead of manipulating currencies. >I told them the land is not for sale at any price to have their "American" >brokers stop bothering me about it. Perhaps I should buy land further south >if these assay results are not a fabrication. > >Adam > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Yinan Wang via Meteorite-list" >To: "Michael Mulgrew" >Cc: "Matson, Rob D." ; >; "Larry Atkins" >Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Key Capital Announces Major Potential >Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured > > >> They did an assay on the ore and the results look off the charts, >> which brings up the question of why hasn't this already been mined if >> true?: >> >> Oz per ton: >> Silver... 7.2 >> Gold… 6.9 >> Palladium……… 4.8 >> Platinum……….. 5.1 >> Rhodium……. 7.6 >> Iridium……… 15.4 >> Osmium………... 5.5 >> Ruthenium……... 3.7 >> >> From their press release: >> http://www.keycapitalgroup.com/pr/KCPCpr12022015.pdf >> >> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >>> I was under the impression that ALL orebodies in the Earth's crust are >>> of meteoritic origin from the late heavy bombardment since all metals >>> consolidated in the Earth's core when it was a molten body. >>> >>> Sounds fishy to me, too. >>> >>> Michael in so. Cal. >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list >>> wrote: >>>> Hi Larry, >>>> >>>> It all sounds very fishy to me: >>>> >>>> "The orebody located on the property is well known as a magnetite >>>> resource having been the >>>> subject of extensive historic exploration since the 1960s. In recent >>>> years, through identification >>>> of extraordinary high-grade iridium in samples, it became evident that a >>>> significant part of the >>>> orebody on the property is of meteorite origin, and it was established >>>> that the orebody >>>> presented major potential for precious metals and PGMs." >>>> >>>> As you point out, they later claim achondrite, thus ruling out Meteor >>>> Crater as the "orebody" >>>> source. Given that achondrites derive from a differentiated body, the >>>> relative proportion of >>>> siderophile iridium is going to be much lower than it would be in an >>>> iron meteorite. --Rob >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Meteorite-list >>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Larry >>>> Atkins via Meteorite-list >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 2:10 PM >>>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Key Capital Announces Major Potential >>>> Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured >>>> >>>> Hi List, >>>> Thanks for all the off list responses. >>>> I'm not interested in where the company is located. More specifically, >>>> where is this mining location? Is it Meteor Crater? It says the meteoric >>>> impactor was an achondrite. >>>> >>>> http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/1233
[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Key Capital Announces Major Potential Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured
-Forwarded Message- >From: Count Deiro >Sent: Dec 3, 2015 6:59 PM >To: Raremeteorites , >meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Key Capital Announces Major Potential >Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured > >Hi All, > >This is a fabulously (almost unbelievable) complex aggregation at nearly 20 >oz. a ton. It's going to cost a fortune to smelt this stuff, even using the >latest milling, reducing, concentrating and smelting technology. I know of >only one commercial, open to the public, refiner, and that firm is in Southern >Utah, so transport is going to be a factor. I wonder how they filed on this >strange a trend? > >My tongue is half way through my cheek. > >Regatds, > >Count Deiro >IMCA 3536 MetSoc > >-Original Message- >>From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >>Sent: Dec 3, 2015 5:35 PM >>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Key Capital Announces Major Potential >>Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured >> >>It looks as if they assayed a very metal-rich mineralized vein. This assay >>is almost as good as my Rye Patch, Nevada property located right next door >>to the legendary Poker Brown gold mine. The Chinese have been attempted to >>pry away this land from me twice. Maybe they are buying gold-rich land in >>order to back the Chinese Yuan with gold instead of manipulating currencies. >>I told them the land is not for sale at any price to have their "American" >>brokers stop bothering me about it. Perhaps I should buy land further south >>if these assay results are not a fabrication. >> >>Adam >> >> >> >> >>- Original Message - >>From: "Yinan Wang via Meteorite-list" >>To: "Michael Mulgrew" >>Cc: "Matson, Rob D." ; >>; "Larry Atkins" >>Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 3:34 PM >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Key Capital Announces Major Potential >>Meteorite Mining Opportunity Joint Ventured >> >> >>> They did an assay on the ore and the results look off the charts, >>> which brings up the question of why hasn't this already been mined if >>> true?: >>> >>> Oz per ton: >>> Silver... 7.2 >>> Gold… 6.9 >>> Palladium……… 4.8 >>> Platinum……….. 5.1 >>> Rhodium……. 7.6 >>> Iridium……… 15.4 >>> Osmium………... 5.5 >>> Ruthenium……... 3.7 >>> >>> From their press release: >>> http://www.keycapitalgroup.com/pr/KCPCpr12022015.pdf >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list >>> wrote: >>>> I was under the impression that ALL orebodies in the Earth's crust are >>>> of meteoritic origin from the late heavy bombardment since all metals >>>> consolidated in the Earth's core when it was a molten body. >>>> >>>> Sounds fishy to me, too. >>>> >>>> Michael in so. Cal. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Matson, Rob D. via Meteorite-list >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi Larry, >>>>> >>>>> It all sounds very fishy to me: >>>>> >>>>> "The orebody located on the property is well known as a magnetite >>>>> resource having been the >>>>> subject of extensive historic exploration since the 1960s. In recent >>>>> years, through identification >>>>> of extraordinary high-grade iridium in samples, it became evident that a >>>>> significant part of the >>>>> orebody on the property is of meteorite origin, and it was established >>>>> that the orebody >>>>> presented major potential for precious metals and PGMs." >>>>> >>>>> As you point out, they later claim achondrite, thus ruling out Meteor >>>>> Crater as the "orebody" >>>>> source. Given that achondrites derive from a differentiated body, the >>>>> relative proportion of >>>>> siderophile iridium is going to be much lower than it would be in an >>>>> iron meteorite. --Rob >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: Meteorite-list >>>>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Larry >>>>> Atkins via Mete
[meteorite-list] Best Wishes
Dear Listees, If you celebrate the occasion..."Best wishes for a Prosperous and Happy Thanksgiving!" Count Deiro Met Soc __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gibeon Skull Carving for sale.
Hi List, Saw this promotion from Bonham's auction house. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=436_1447970389 Regards all, Count Deiro Met Soc __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Geologist rates Cranbourne South strip a hotspot for scientific treasure trove of undiscovered meteorites
Hello right back at yah! I see that Merry Old's Fleet Street reporters are as full of kidney pie as the Americans! Did Meteorite Men air in Great Britain? Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list >Sent: Oct 27, 2015 12:02 PM >To: Meteorite Central >Subject: [meteorite-list] Geologist rates Cranbourne South strip a hotspot for >scientific treasure trove of undiscovered meteorites > >Hello Listers > >Lets go hunting guys : > >Shawn Alan >IMCA 1633 >ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html >Website http://meteoritefalls.com > > >Geologist rates Cranbourne South strip a hotspot for scientific treasure >trove of undiscovered meteorites > >CRANBOURNE SOUTH landowners could be sitting on a goldmine of >undiscovered meteorites, a Devon Meadows geologist says. > > >Tom Kapitany believed it was only a matter of time before more >meteorites were unearthed as areas of Botanic Ridge were developed. > >The Acacia estate, being built near the intersection of Browns and Craig >roads, was one of the hottest prospects for meteorites, Mr Kapitany >said. > >Any finds could be quite valuable — scientifically and financially — >for those lucky enough to dig them up, with prices ranging from >$3000-$5000 a kilogram. > >“The area now being opened is the one closest to where the largest of >the dozen meteorites so far found came to Earth in a shower some time >before European settlement,” Mr Kapitany said. > >“I would rate it as the hottest stretch along the line stretching >roughly from Pakenham to Pearcedale. > >source: >http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/geologist-rates-cranbourne-south-strip-a-hotspot-for-scientific-treasure-trove-of-undiscovered-meteorites/news-story/8b4a01009a0ca8b6194b75c49b1c9687?nk=1c4f088419f60cbb061d14b77c60b6e7-1445972452 >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Geologist rates Cranbourne South strip a hotspot for scientific treasure trove of undiscovered meteorites
Well, I had the wrong continentbetter go back to what I was reading. Sorry, Shawn. I didn't mean to confuse you "Diggers" with them "Bloody Pommies". Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Anne Black via Meteorite-list >Sent: Oct 27, 2015 12:33 PM >To: shawna...@meteoritefalls.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Geologist rates Cranbourne South strip a hotspot >for scientific treasure trove of undiscovered meteorites > >Before you all pack your bags, keep in mind that Australia has laws banning >the exportation of meteorites, unless you manage to obtain an export permit. >Not easy. > >And no, I don't believe that they would be worth $3000 - $5000 a kilo. As >usual the media has inflated the prices! > >Anne M. Black >www.IMPACTIKA.com >impact...@aol.com > > >-Original Message- >From: Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list >To: Meteorite Central >Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2015 1:08 pm >Subject: [meteorite-list] Geologist rates Cranbourne South strip a hotspot for >scientific treasure trove of undiscovered meteorites > > >Hello Listers > >Lets go hunting guys : > >Shawn Alan >IMCA 1633 >ebay store >http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html >Website http://meteoritefalls.com > > > >Geologist rates Cranbourne South strip a hotspot for scientific >treasure >trove of undiscovered meteorites > >CRANBOURNE SOUTH landowners could be >sitting on a goldmine of >undiscovered meteorites, a Devon Meadows geologist >says. > > >Tom Kapitany believed it was only a matter of time before >more >meteorites were unearthed as areas of Botanic Ridge were developed. > >The >Acacia estate, being built near the intersection of Browns and Craig >roads, was >one of the hottest prospects for meteorites, Mr Kapitany >said. > >Any finds could >be quite valuable — scientifically and financially — >for those lucky enough to >dig them up, with prices ranging from >$3000-$5000 a kilogram. > >“The area now >being opened is the one closest to where the largest of >the dozen meteorites so >far found came to Earth in a shower some time >before European settlement,” Mr >Kapitany said. > >“I would rate it as the hottest stretch along the line >stretching >roughly from Pakenham to >Pearcedale. > >source: >http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/south-east/geologist-rates-cranbourne-south-strip-a-hotspot-for-scientific-treasure-trove-of-undiscovered-meteorites/news-story/8b4a01009a0ca8b6194b75c49b1c9687?nk=1c4f088419f60cbb061d14b77c60b6e7-1445972452 >__ > >Visit >our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at >http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing >list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor/Comet/Whatever /to hit the South
Thought I would share this with y'all. Y'all real lucky you was borned in the Southern USA so y'all would know about my speaking to Jesus and the Madrid Fault and the tsunami gonna lap up against Georgia otherwise y'all be screwed in October. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fa5_1439400210 Side note: Whole populations have been lost because these intellectual and scientific midgets exist and worse yet, vote. Now! No offense meant to those of faith! I'm really sort of looking forward to the day we are all in that big room and we all get sorted out by the Gran Poobah. You know..Mormons over there till we get you set up with a planet, Scientologists can sit where they want, Muslims on the carpets to your left, all Buddhists float in the center and I going to have to ask you Shintoist and Hare Krisnas to quit clapping, Catholics over by the Coptics and early Christians..and who did I miss?..oh yeah..you animists can grab the nearest unoccupied treedon't bother the African Ju Ju and the Greek and Roman dietist types. And for God's sake can everybody hold down on the joss and incense burning I can hardly see the list.. Yeah, it'll be a riot! I also knew, according to many of my friends of faith who love me, that I'm going straight to hell, but I can't begin to fath om how long the line will be considering how so many of the faithful claim their's is the only way to salvation. I know..I'll look for a loophole! For you serious of faith ..now remember this is sent in the best of humour...don't get you shorts in a knot. I don't care what your persuasion is and don't trouble yourself worrying about mine. Count Deiro MetSoc __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Predictions
Dear Listees, In reading our comments on the past impacts and the propensity for future ones,I cannot ignore the predictions of Nostradamus so beautifully couched in uncorrupted medieval French. Some quatrains that raised my hackles,particularly the timing of FIRE in the SKY events. C.2 Q.46 After great trouble for humanity a greater one is near The Great Motor renews the ages: Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague, In the heavens fire seen, a long spark running. (wow) Apres grat troche humain plus grad s'appreste Le grand moteur les siecles renouuelle Pluye sang laict, famine, fer et peste Au ciel veu feu courant longue estincelle. The fire in the sky is clearly part of this century and is to be part of our current and near-future tribulations. This verse is the epitome of Nostradamus interest in the three great mutations and is far more significant than the events covered in many of Nostradamus' quatrains. Nostradamus specific mention of Meteorites & Asteroids. C.01 Q.46 Very near Auch, Lectoure and Mirande (Predicted postion of constellations known to Nostradamus.) a great fire will fall from the sky for three nights The cause will appear both stupefying and marvellous A short time afterwards the earth will tremble. (Great description of sequence of physical phenomenom.) Tout au pres d'aux de Lestore et Mirande Grand feu du ciel entrois nuicts tumbera Cause aduiendra bien stupende et mirande Bien peu apres la terre tremblera. Je l'espère, il est faux, (I hope he is in error) Comte Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tang Long Elementary School Students Hunt for Meteorites - Pingtung, Taiwan
Hi All and Ditk, What a nice thing to do. The Chinese have an over the top cultural interest in all things cosmic and I'll bet you and your lecture were well received. Did you have to watch out that the children didn't rub your belly for good luck and knowledge? Guido -Original Message- >From: drtanuki via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jun 17, 2015 10:37 AM >To: Michael Mulgrew , Meteorite Mailing List > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tang Long Elementary School Students Hunt for >Meteorites - Pingtung, Taiwan > >Michael, Thank you. Yes they were told to check roof gutters and concrete >surfaces. They wanted to go where they went because of other activities >planned that day so that is where they ended up. I have lots of samples of >schist to sort...LOL. > >Dirk Ross...Tokyo >The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News >http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ > > >- Original Message - >From: Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list >To: drtanuki >Cc: Meteorite Mailing List >Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2015 2:26 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tang Long Elementary School Students Hunt for >Meteorites - Pingtung, Taiwan > >Nice activity to get the kids involved, but someone should have told >them that looking in a river wash is a terrible idea and about the >last place you would expect to find one. > >http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZpB3jUJddSQ/VYGb8tKDtaI/Khs/0GFk1JIbCEI/s1600/Micrometeorite%2Bhunt%2B2015%2BStar%2BScream.JPG > >Michael in so. Cal. > >On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:54 AM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> List, >> Tang Long Elementary School Students Hunt for Meteorites - Pingtung, Taiwan >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2015/06/tang-long-elementary-school-students.html >> Dirk Ross...Tokyo >> The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Perhaps these markets may work
Hi All, Last November, I invited my 12 year old granson, Vincent, to accompany me to one of the gun shows in Las Vegas. I intended to sell some of my collectible firearms. He asked if he could take a fist sized (500 or so grams), Canyon Diablo and offer it to the gun and ammo dealers. He sold it for $18.00 a gram in minutes to an ammo dealer who had never seen a meteorite. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: "E.P. Grondine via Meteorite-list" >Sent: May 30, 2015 9:30 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Perhaps these markets may work > >This one is for the dealers here - > >Have any of you tried selling meteorites at a science fiction convention, >or a comic book convention? > >all the best, >E.P. >__ > >Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
Well put, Adam. For years, I owned and operated a company that sold at auction the whole gamut of collectibles. You nailed it in your dissertation on the ebb and flow of values and how they are affected by our everchanging culture. I remember when big brass autos of the early 20th. Century brought hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now they are boat anchors. Guido -Original Message- >From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >Sent: May 29, 2015 5:00 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts > >It not just the lower end of the planetaries being hit; it is widespread. >Meteorite prices in general have been falling steadily for years due mainly >to increased supply but have been hit particularly hard since 2008. Falls >like Peekskill, Claxton and others can now be had for a fraction of the >price they were once going for. Collectors are becoming more patient >knowing that the price of a new fall will drop significantly when all the >hype and newness wears off. Collectors have a lot to choose from as far as >Martian, Lunar and other rare meteorites go. Like most collectables at the >top tier, high end Lunar specimens are holding their price and putting >downward price pressure on other less than pristine Lunar meteorites. >Buyers determine the long-term price, not dealers, especially in a very thin >market! > >Other collectables like artifacts, fossils, minerals and art have held their >price or made gains on the extreme high end only. The middle class that >used to create the demand for most collectables has been pinched hard or >eliminated leaving very little wiggle room in their wallets for luxuries >like collectables. They are now way more discerning about how they spend >their hard earned cash than ever before. The saying in collectables is "buy >what you can afford at the high end." This is because it is a well-known >fact that top tier collectables will always outperform all others. > >Be glad you are not into antiques or baseball cards. It seems the younger >crowd is not interested in anything other than the latest gadgets these days >and could care less about collectables with the exception of their daddy's >1960's muscle car which they hope to one day inherit since they cannot >possibly afford one of their own. > >Happy Hunting, > >Adam > >- Original Message - >From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" > >To: "Shawn Alan" >Cc: "Meteorite Central" >Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:13 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts > > >> Hi Shawn, >> >> I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work. As >> time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot >> deserts, especially the NWA DCA. In recent months, we have seen over >> a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been >> approved in the Met Bulletin. >> >> New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the >> supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady >> or increased. Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish >> from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new >> offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers. >> >> In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a >> relatively-small group of veteran dealers. Now, there are many >> middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians. >> >> In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the >> supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these >> new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison >> to previous offerings. For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there >> are a dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the >> market. >> >> I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers >> who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the >> majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market >> yet. If that material is ever released into the market, it would >> depress the asking prices even further. >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> -- >> - >> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >> Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >> Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >> - >> >> >> >> >> On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >>> Hello Listers >>> >>> I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but >>> especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or >>> some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for >>> less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is >>> still in the high $50
[meteorite-list] A Listee's Interview.
Hello all, I am posting a link to an interview just released to youtube.com by a magazine with national circulation. It adresses some allegations about this Listee's origins, previously posted on the List, that have affected this Listee's reputation in the field of collecting and selling meteorites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zPWPWuXWCg Thank you for taking the time to view it. And thank you to all on the List who have been so gracious and honorable to me. I enjoy sharing our mutual infatuation with things cosmic. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia, and Safety, or Terrorism Concerns
Hi Listees and Adam, I agree. None of our urban centers are safe and Mexico can now boast 100,000 dead in the last six years attributed to the murderous regimes of the drug cartels. What is remarkable is that this information is sat on by the main stream media and our politicians. What would we think if Canada had such problems and their citizens were fleeing en mass illegally into our cities? Back on subject. Do come out to Nevada to hunt meteorites. It's practically untouched. I'm waiting to see the next planetary come off one of the hundreds of our dry lakes. The Feds and the BLM are very lax on enforcement and can't patrol without being seen well in advance. Jusy be polite and don't trash the place. The locals are laid back and consider your activities as entertainment and interesting. Your few dollars spent in their remote businesses is appreciated. Count Deiro (A native Nevadan and proud of it.) -Original Message- >From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >Sent: Mar 24, 2015 10:15 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia, and Safety, >or Terrorism Concerns > >You are correct that many inner city areas in the United States are >dangerous. Take Detroit, Michigan for instance where anybody that lives >there, who can, is fleeing and houses/businesses can be purchases for >$1,000.00 or less. Stockton and Oakland, California made the top ten >several years in a row and then there is Chicago, Illinois which is no safe >walk in the park either. Newark, New Jersey, no thanks! > >People ask why I moved out in the middle of nowhere seven years ago. One >reason was to get away from all of the weirdoes, tweekers, thieves and >freaks that large cities seem to attract here in the U.S. and the >Seattle/Tacoma area in Washington State is considered safe by American >standards? Give me rattle snakes and scorpions any day which are more >predictable than some of the crazies I have run into. > >I would feel a lot safer in the disputed zone between Morocco and Algeria >than along the U.S./Mexican border where dead bodies are piling up unchecked >at an alarming rate. > >Adam > > > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Marco Langbroek via Meteorite-list" > >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015 2:51 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mauritania, Morocco, Tunisia, and Safety, or >Terrorism Concerns > > >> >> As things stand, you face a decidedly higher risk loosing your life in the >> USA than in Morocco or Tunisia. >> >> It is funny that many Americans apparently do not realise that their own >> country is a lot less safe than many others. >> >> >>> Traveling anywhere including >>> just down the street isn't as safe as it >>> used to be. >> >> >> I disagree. In many areas of the World it is safer now than it ever was. >> >> Take my country: even though some politicians and media peddle the >> fear-factor here too, truth is crime and homicide rates have never been so >> low as they are today. >> >> Unfortunately, there are also a few areas in this world where the shit has >> hit the fan (but then: there always have been). And the media attention >> (and self-serving political image mongery) connected to that create an >> impression of an increasingly unsafe world, while in large parts of the >> world in fact there is an opposite trend. >> >> Don't buy into the fear-mongering (but do be sensible of where you go). >> >> - Marco >> >> >> - >> Dr Marco Langbroek >> >> e-mail: ma...@langbroek.org >> Twitter: @Marco_Langbroek >> - >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TONS OF ROCKS REMOVED FROM LAKE BED?
Hi Listees, This article about preparations for a new land speed record using the surface of the Kalahari states that they cleared the hard pan of some 18,500 tons of rocks in preparation for the attempt. If this link doesn't work access the Drudge Report on line and look for the caption. http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/motoring-news/land-speed-record-britishbuilt-hybrid-rocket-car-aims-to-be-the-fastest-on-earth-10125305.html# I cannot help but muse on how many meteorites might be in that pile of rubble and would it not be grand to search it? Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Swiss meteorite found.
Hi All, This link leads to a report that the Swiss fall has been located and that at least one meteorite has been found in a person's garden. - http://www.focus.de/wissen/weltraum/ueberreste-des-meteoriten-schweizer-entdeckt-raetselhafte-steine-in-seinem-garten_id_4546589.html Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Short, but perhaps interesting to a few.
Hi Listees, Lord Sir Pratchett's sword. Pratchett already held a title and was granted arms by the Queen's Garter Knight of Arms. His knighthood has nothing to do with holding a hereditary title, but he used the honor to set off a bit of publicity and a reason to make the sword. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/when-terry-pratchett-was-knighted-he-forged-his-own-sword-out-of-meteorite-10104321.html Any British citizen may receive the accolade of knighthood by the Regent. Every year the Queen's Christmas list has as many as a thousand persons nominated to receive a knighthood, or a recognition as a Dame. Sir Lawrence Olivier, Elton John, Steven Hawkings, Dame Elizabeth Taylor, etc. Personages from the entertainment field, business, outstanding scientific accomplishments,etc. What's different with Lord Sir Pratchett is the use of meteoritic material in his actual arms. Regards to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15
Hi Adam and all, These incisions are both modern. This type of cattle never exisited on this continent in modern, or prehistoric times. Also the medium into which they were incised was never used in the South West for this type of art. The cattle are plainly Middle Eastern/Indo/Asian types. Horn position, width and length. Bramhan type body with hump and body length, weight, etc. etc. I must admit that they (assuming they are different works) are unique in their location and presentation. But, never the less show all indications of being tool made and modern representations, or reproductions. To acknowledge this animal as associated with any North American civilization would be to fly in the face of all we know about North American wild and domesticated cattle and their time of introduction. Count Deiro Nevada Museum of Art Center for Art + the Environment (the Deiro Collection) Reno, Nevada Board Member Emeritus-State of Nevada-Nevada Arts Council-National Endowment of the Arts. -Original Message- >From: wahlperry--- via Meteorite-list >Sent: Feb 17, 2015 9:12 PM >To: raremeteori...@centurylink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15 > >Hi Adam and List, > >Check out this rock art that we found while hiking in a remote area. >The image seems to resemble the one in your picture. I wonder if they >could be related. > >Sonny > >http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Nevada_art.html > > >-Original Message- > From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > >To: meteorite-list >Sent: Tue, Feb 17, 2015 5:14 pm >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15 > > >Interesting about the focus being put onto Native American cultures and >the importance they place on meteorites. I am fortunate that my wife, >who is 50% Cherokee Native American, shares similar interests to this >day. She has never once complained about my fascination and spending >on artifacts, meteorites and other collectables. She recently joked >about collecting land. We will need it for the rock garden she has put >together while spending a great deal of time with the new and improved >Team LunarRock in the field.Below is an image of my wife admiring a >famous and controversial 800 pound artifact that we purchased from the >original finders and are storing among other collectables. Some of you >may recognize this artifact from a "documentary" show dedicated a >complete episode to the piece. I do not agree with the show host's >interpretations, felt the urge to rescue it from his laboratory >(studio) and purchased out from underneath them. Many of these shows >have no respect for such things and are more concerned with shamelessly >promoting themselves. I am onto a meteorite that weighs several times >the amount of this artifact, is located on private property which is >for sale and surrounded by lithic scatter meaning early man was drawn >to it. It will definitely be a pallet buster like this piece!Link to an >image of my wonderful wife and a recent >acquisition:http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/ZannWithBullArtifact.jpgHapp >y Hunting,Adam Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan via >Meteorite-list" To: "Meteorite >Central" Sent: Tuesday, February >17, 2015 3:02 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15> >Hello Listers>> Enjoy>> Shawn Alan> IMCA 1633> ebay store >http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html> Website >http://meteoritefalls.com>>> What's Happening; 2-18-15>> Cottonwood >Meteorite Added to Exhibit>> March 1-Aug. 31>> The Verde Valley >Archaeology Center located at 385 S. Main Street in> Camp Verde will >add the Cottonwood Meteorite to an exhibit running from> March 1 to >Aug. 31. The loan of these meteorites from the Arizona State> >University Center for Meteorite Studies was arranged with the> >cooperation of Dr. Lawrence Garvie, Research Professor at the ASU >School> of Earth & Space Exploration. The Center will be hosting Dr. >Garvie for> a free talk on meteorites on March 3, at 7 p.m., in the >Phillip England> Center for the Performing Arts, 210 Camp Lincoln Road >in Camp Verde. The> Center will also give monthly talks on the >importance and uses of> meteorites among ancient Native American >cultures during the span of the> exhibit. Visit >verdevalleyarchaeology.org or call (928) 567-0066 for> more >information.>> Source:> >http://cvbugle.com/main.asp?SectionID=74&SubSectionID=114&ArticleID=45361> >__>> Visit the Archives at >http://www.me
[meteorite-list] Alamo Impact Crater Recognized
Hi, Sunday, the Las Vegas Review Journal newspaper carried a second page headline that mentions the recent paper published in the current issue of Geosphere, the online mag for the Geological Society of America, arguing the legitimacy of the 382 million year old "Alamo Impact" and doubling it's diameter to between 69 and 93 miles. Those of us who have visited the physical area and collected impact breccia sometimes in the face of criticism of the size and even the legitimacy of the event are vindicated by the published findings of some several authors including Retzler, Warme and others. The RJ story can be accessed on the newspaper's online site.Geosphere has the scientific paper online. Regards to all and thanks to the Hupes and Dirk Ross for putting me on the physical material of which I have a small truck load recovered from near what may be the more eastern edge of the remaining displacement. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year - Meteoritewatch priced over 4M.
I can confirm what Adam has related. The "Ambassador" slice encased in it's cutting edge engineered, airtight portal was, for a short time, the most extraordinary object entrusted to me, The piece was perfect in every presentation. He who designed the portal was a genius and what was presented and contained within was the most intensely recognizable, inspiriring slice of the Moon I will ever see in my life. To hold it in my arms and gaze at this enormoous, unblemished, priceless, celestial object was akin to having a sexual experience. The idiots who didn't have the education, intellect, or sensitivity to realize what they were trying to steal from Adam will remain just thatidiots. Seasons Greetings to all, Count Deiro Imca 3536 MetCom -Original Message- >From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list >Sent: Dec 22, 2014 8:31 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year - >Meteoritewatch priced over 4M. > >Yes, I proposed the idea to Louis Moinet about a watch with a lunar face >using NWA 5000 which actually looks like the Moon. They copied my Jules >Verne portal design and name after I provided them with images of the first >slice of NWA 5000. The first complete slice of NW 5000 was mounted in a >custom machined case which looked like a portal. I renamed the piece from >the "Jules Verne Slice" to the "Ambassador Slice" after being plagiarized by >this watch company. They named their first lunar watch the "Jules Verne" >and even had a mini-portal in the side of it to view a tiny cheap piece of a >Dhofar lunar meteorite. > >Dhofar lunar specimens were the least expensive at the time and yet they >want millions of dollars for the watches. > >How original? > >Adam > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list" >To: "Meteorite Central" >Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:43 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Most expensive watches of the year - >Meteoritewatch priced over 4M. > > >> Hello Listers >> >> For those of you looking for the must have item for Xmas, look no >> further (: >> >> Enjoy >> >> Shawn Alan >> IMCA 1633 >> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html >> Website http://meteoritefalls.com >> >> >> Most expensive watches of the year >> >> "THERE’S NOTHING that conveys your financial status more than what you >> wear on your wrist. The world of luxurious timepieces has expanded in >> recent times as technology, innovation and ornamentation combine to >> produce watches that are truly unique and spell class and elegance apart >> from money. Notably, the brand that features the most is Patek >> Phillippe, but not as number one. Venture Capital Post has listed the 10 >> most expensive watches sold across the globe in 2014: >> >> *** >> Louis Moinet Meteoris watch: The history attached to this watch is what >> makes it so valuable. Designer Moinet decided to use pieces of >> meteorites to make a set of watches. He collaborated with meteorite >> hunter Luc Labenne to collect pieces from the moon, a Mars meteorite and >> an asteroid. The result was the creation of four extremely rare >> tourbillon watches worth over $4.5 million each." >> >> Source: >> http://www.financialexpress.com/article/personal-finance/most-expensive-watches-of-the-year/21606/ >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science Journal: Earth's water didn't come from comets, scientists now say
Namaste...My children. There is no need to disturb your first Shakra. All of us here at the Ashram in the Berkely of California know that water has always come from the dark clouds of the heavens in quatities that used to be more than enough, but Shivasathadpura will correct this error soon, and you will be engulfed again. Shubhamastu. Swami Rashneesh Fulloscat. -Original Message- >From: Chris Peterson via Meteorite-list >Sent: Dec 12, 2014 3:36 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Science Journal: Earth's water didn't come from >comets, scientists now say > >There is nothing definitive about it. The paper describes many factors >that could change the D/H ratio in different samples, and is much more >cautious in its conclusions than the typical press reports suggest: > >"From the ROSINA measurements on comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko, we >conclude that the D/H values of JFCs [Jupiter family comets] may be >highly heterogeneous, possibly reflecting the diverse origins of JFCs. >If this is the case, then the new measurement supports models advocating >an asteroidal (i.e., carbonaceous chondrite-like), rather than cometary >origin for the oceans, and by extension for the terrestrial atmosphere." > >Chris > >*** >Chris L Peterson >Cloudbait Observatory >http://www.cloudbait.com > >On 12/12/2014 1:50 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list wrote: >> I am curious how such a definitive conclusion can be reached from the >> analysis of a singular cometary body? How many comets are out there >> floating around the solar system? I guess they are assuming all >> comets have the same make-up? Seems a bit short sighted to me, >> considering, for example, how diverse asteroidal composition is. >> Imagine if we landed a probe on one asteroid, then extrapolated the >> results of that landing to apply to all asteroids, what a gross >> neglect of diversity that would be. >> >> Hopefully I'm missing something here and someone will chime in and >> explain it to me. >> >> Michael in so. Cal. > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thanks Dirk
John, That was a very gracious and thoughtful recognition you sent to Dirk. I join with you in thanking him for his dedication to what interests us and the expertise which he shares freely with everyone. You must be a pretty nice person yourself to take time out to recognize Dirk's contributions, Happy Holidays if you celebrate them... Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: John Lutzon via Meteorite-list >Sent: Dec 3, 2014 6:52 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Cc: drtanuki >Subject: [meteorite-list] Thanks Dirk > >Hey Dirk, > >Has anyone thanked you today for continually looking up?? >If not, let me be the first. > >I'm sure, it takes alot of effort to do what you do. >And, I do not take it for granted. > >Again, thanks, John >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What have we here.
Says it was filmed on the 19th. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4d2_1416584050 Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fraud seller in Hungary
Tisztelt Kereszty, Köszönöm a figyelmeztetést a cigány Levi. Ő nem magyar. Biztos vagyok benne, hogy sok embert mentett sza elveszítik a pénzüket. Üdvözletem az Ön egészségét, és a család, gróf Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Zsolt Kereszty via Meteorite-list >Sent: Nov 2, 2014 10:16 PM >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Fraud seller in Hungary > >Dear All! > >Maybe did you remember that Mr. Martin Altmann mentioned before some years >ago >that he bought some fake meteorites from a Hungarian seller from source of >Mr. Jozsef Vida. > >Well I have bought 6 pieces from Mr Jozsef Vida from hungarian city of >Debrecen also. >Finally I have started a personally investigation and I have surprised that >he >sold to Martin Altmann and some others fakes pieces also. >Then I have decided that I have to analize them in a Institute. It was very >expdesive (XRF and others) but there are real fakes. Before a half year I >reported him to the police with the evidences. >Well the man recently is under the police investigation. He had tried to >sell in >WEB and FB many fakes meteorites. > >His Facebook: profile: Jozef Levi Ziegler Levi > >His real address: Derecske, Szovati u. 9. HUNGARY > >His earlier webpages: http://ekszer.bloglap.hu/(but has changed the >contents after the police investigation) > >another video from an NWA Ataxite Jewelry ?!: >http://videa.hu/videok/tudomany-technika/meteorit-ekszerek-bolygo-muhold-sci >-fi-e31Y21Gbq6ynSIcy > >here is his photo: >http://www.villamoshiba.eoldal.hu/img/original/17/bild0225.jpg > >On FB he has try to sold many fakes (as Düsseldorf Meteorite (Germany) ?!, >Iron from the Sky, etc. > >But I hope that we can stop he. > >PlLease wrote me who has bought earlier something form he because Iam >collecting the evidences for the police investigation. >I estimate that the fakes of selling value over 4000-5000 USD. He is very >dangerous mainly for beginners. > >I am very angry for myself that I beleive to him. > >Best Regards! >Zsolt >IMCA#6251 >Hungary > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Heritage Auction has 51 meteorite u for sale
Hi All, Heritage will sell anything. They are always short on technical info in their lot descriptions because they are marketing to the uninformed. All they want to do is make money on both ends of the deal and hope the buyer is some person who sees the pretty picture and reads the idiotic and repetitive description and decides to buy because it's "you know...a meteorite like I saw sold on Pawn Brokers for $4,2000! (Unclassified 300/400 gram NWA)and George would really like it on his desk". PT had it right. "There's a sucker born every minute". Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list >Sent: Sep 8, 2014 4:59 AM >To: Shawn Alan , Meteorite List > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Heritage Auction has 51 meteorite u for sale > >I Shawn and all, >This community doesn't care for paying 10% buyer's premium. >How do you think they feel about paying 25% buyer's premium? >I was personally struck with the lack of information when I >Checked out the $12,500.00 minimum bid S-A as I could find no >Mention anywhere as to what the weight wasit was nice to look >At but I was left with no idea as to whether it was 35 grams or 35 kilos. >Best to all, >Michael > > >On 9/7/14 12:39 PM, "Meteorite List" >wrote: > >> Hello Listers >> >> For those of you looking for some magnificent meteorites, look no >> further. Heritage Auction house has some >> great meteoritic samples up for auction. Take a look at the link down >> below and enjoy. >> >> http://fineart.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?Ne=2130&N=50+793+794+792+2088+429494 >> 4482+2305 >> >> S >> >> Shawn Alan >> IMCA 1633 >> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html >> Website http://meteoritefalls.com >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2.5 Kilogram lunar meteorite
Gee, I thought I was the only guy who threatened people. The "fake" Count IMCA 3536 Met-Soc -Original Message- >From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list >Sent: Aug 17, 2014 10:56 AM >To: Anne Black >Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >, "azizhab...@yahoo.com" > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 2.5 Kilogram lunar meteorite > >Yes, I held it. >Michael > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Anne Black wrote: >> >> OK Michael, we will believe you. >> >> But does the 2.5 kilo lunar even exists? or is that another local myth? >> >> (all sales of.you know the rest). >> >> >> Anne M. Black >> www.IMPACTIKA.com >> impact...@aol.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list >> To: meteorite-list ; Aziz Habibilp >> >> Sent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 9:19 am >> Subject: [meteorite-list] 2.5 Kilogram lunar meteorite >> >> >> Aziz Habibi and Aid and any other Moroccan lying about me, I did not buy a >> 2.5 >> kilogram lunar meteorite in Morocco last week. I have told you privately and >> now >> I am forced to call these lies out in public! Stop lying about me, stop >> telling >> Jay Piatek I've bought that rock. Stop playing games, you are destroying >> business and trust in Morocco by spreading lies. >> Anyone who believes what these people say at this point are fools. >> Aziz, I have spent a lot of Money with you, I have never done anything to >> you, >> so why you insist on lying about me I have no clue but I'm tired of it. I >> would >> think about returning to Tucson if I were you at this point. >> Michael Farmer >> >> Sent from my iPad >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Brasilia, Brasil Beautiful Fireball Meteor 29JUL2014 video
Beautiful! Thank you, Dirk Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: drtanuki via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jul 31, 2014 4:34 PM >To: meteorite-list >Subject: [meteorite-list] Brasilia,Brasil Beautiful Fireball Meteor >29JUL2014 video > >List, >Brasilia, Brasil Beautiful Fireball Meteor 29JUL2014 >http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/08/brasilia-brasil-fireball-meteor.html > >Dirk Ross...Tokyo >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Video of the Effect of Impactors
Hello, Basic, but well done explanation of cosmological impacts. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e25_1406116660 Would someone be kind enough to tell me if this post was received on List in the United States? Cordially, Count Deiro MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Poland Archaeology - Caveman Worshipped Meteorite
I agree. Looks like anything but a meteorite. The remark that it was inordinately heavy is interesting however. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: Bob King via Meteorite-list >Sent: Jul 1, 2014 2:40 PM >To: Michael Mulgrew , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Poland Archaeology - Caveman Worshipped >Meteorite > >Michael, >I agree. No reference citing how they determined it was a meteorite. I >can't find anything else online about it. >Bob > > >On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list > wrote: >> The rock doesn't look like a meteorite to me. They do not indicate >> why they think it was a meteorite (since when do archaeologists know >> how to ID a meteorite?), who analyzed it, or what type of meteorite it >> is supposed to be. I say it's a piece of sandstone until a laboratory >> says otherwise. >> >> Michael in so. Cal. >> >> On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:54 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list >> wrote: >>> List, >>> The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News 02JUL2014 >>> Archaeologists Say Cavemen Worshipped Meteorite After it Fell to Earth in >>> Poland >>> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/07/the-latest-worldwide-meteormeteorite.html >>> ] >>> Dirk Ross...Tokyo >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Remembering the late 1940's
Hello Aficiandos, Thought for once we would have everything going for us to see a significant and educational display, as our observation point in the far northwest of the Las Vegas Valley would be facing the radiant, and the two story I live in would screen much of the ambient light. I anticipated one of those, we can all lie down on the grass and stare toward Ursa Major and be thrilled. So, alerted all of the grand kids and set up libations and waited. Well the best laid plans and predictions fell, as with deep disappointment we noted at 2100 Pacific that the our valley and most of Southern Nevada, Eastern California and Northern Arizona were blanketed by a layer of alto stratus. Now, after reading some 47 posts, I see we all had our expectations dashed and in my case, I will still only have the great storms of 1947/48 to remember. They sparked my interest and wonderment in the cosmos at age ten. Best to all, and to the Americans and their allies this Memorial Day weekend, a grateful salute to those of your ilk who gave the ultimate for our freedoms. Count Deiro IMCA - MET-SOC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://three.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Greetings!
To the List, Wishing all a Happy, Prosperous and Healthy New Year! Guido and Joan Deiro __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] won't accept it is not a meteorite
Classic classroom quality example of the presentation of delusion. Someone charged with teaching our budding young -ists should copy all this and use it as an example. There is nothing save extensive psychotherapy perhaps involving drug intervention, that will help this fellow recognize reality. Personality disorders like this, and that shown by Curry, are actually enjoyed by the afflicted. They invite controversy, argument, contentious debate and recognition...it's better than sex to them. In fact, it is sex to many of them. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: Paul Gessler >Sent: Nov 27, 2013 6:28 PM >To: meteorite-list >Subject: [meteorite-list] won't accept it is not a meteorite > >Don't you just love those S. Curry type meteorite experts. > >Just wanted everyone on the list to know about a certain Australian >named: > >Billy Sherman > >https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhyT97-KaZ_2yc49GMszDeWZQICTux_Vg > >Let me just say I at first tried to help this individual identify possible >meteorites he was finding >on dry lake beds. After many photos back and forth and many emails the >situation dissolved into >one of Scientific conspiracy and total rejection at the the thought that >what he was finding were not >indeed actual meteorites. His plan (drawn out as long as possible) is to >take your or anybody's money and use it >to buy the land where he is finding these incredible " meteorites" and then >split the profits. This is laughable in and of itself >given the highly restrictive Australian Laws regarding meteorites. Although >it would not apply here because they are not >real meteorites anyway. > >Beware he even claims to have found Lunars and Martians one with a CRUCIFIX >! > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj3mDaES14s&list=PLhyT97-KaZ_2yc49GMszDeWZQICTux_Vg&index=4 > > >He has taken samples to Museums and labs in Australia but they kindly >informed him that they were all terrestrial. >Basically so did I after numerous high res photos back and forth. >It has gotten so (Curry) like and has left such a bad taste in my mouth that >I will no longer help the public at large with the endless "is this a >meteorite" BS >It is an exhausting exercise in futility. I say let people learn the hard >way the way I learned >Find it, research it, take it to a reputable meteoritics lab and keep on >doing this until you finally >have a bonafide classified new find. >There are no short cuts and rejection is inevitable at the beginning LIVE >with it and Learn from it >Do not turn it into a Conspiracy. > >Above all do not think you can get away with this Fraudulent behaviour. > >To those of you who have fought the good fight and you know who you are I >applaud you. > >What you can do is check out his vids and tell him what you all think. >He doesn't seem to want to believe me. > >Sorry for the rant I just wanted this to be archived and on every ones Radar > >-Paul G > > > > > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmic Child Abuse?
It's getting harder and harder to argue ignorance... Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Sent: Nov 27, 2013 1:10 PM >To: Adam Hupe >Cc: Adam >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmic Child Abuse? > >The meteorite was smoking hot. > >The meteorite glowed and it burnt my hand. > >The meteorite was cold and covered in frost. > >The meteorite sticks to a magnet. > >Metal objects stick to the meteorite like a magnet. > >The meteorite made people sick. > >The meteorite sickened/killed my livestock. > >The meteorite was radioactive. > >The meteorite made a buzzing or humming sound. > > >Now we have this one - The meteorite struck my child. > >Another red-flag type of statement that should immediate invite skepticism. > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >-- >- >Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone >Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >- > > > >On 11/27/13, Adam Hupe wrote: >> Sounds like a case of learned behavior. It is considered alright to tell >> lies these days in order to cover up what really happened. >> >> It is better to simply tell the truth rather than tell more lies to cover >> previous fibbing. Of course, the father will never be held accountable for >> the this fiction when they find the offending meteorite is simple driveway >> aggregate. >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Ed Deckert >> To: Aras Jonikas ; Meteorite List >> >> Cc: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmic Child Abuse? >> >> More like the story was cooked up by the dad, and possibly the son too. Or, >> the son was doing something he should not have been doing, got hurt, and he >> cooked up the meteorite story by himself. >> >> OR - someone beaned the kid with a shower of stones that were hurled by a >> slingshot. >> >> Ed >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Aras Jonikas" >> To: "Meteorite List" >> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 9:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmic Child Abuse? >> >> >>> There was a facebook discussion on this. NO WAY those tiny stones caused >>> that big gash The stones are several grams at most and could not have >>> falling fast enough to cause that injury, nor anything close to that (even >>> if you combined all the little frags into one stone). >>> >>> Aras >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Kelly Beatty" >>> To: "John Harrison" , >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:03:28 AM >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmic Child Abuse? >>> >>> hi... >>> >>>> Evidently this kid in Florida has been struck by a meteorite. >>> >>> original 3-minute WPEC-TV report is here: >>> http://www.cbs12.com/news/top-stories/stories/vid_11507.shtml >>> >>> color me skeptical. >>> >>> >>> clear skies, >>> Kelly >>> >>> >>> J. Kelly Beatty >>> Senior Contributing Editor >>> SKY & TELESCOPE >>> 617-416-9991 >>> SkyandTelescope.com >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ukraine Bolide 21NOV2013 several videos added
Nice posts, Dirk It's so cool that the Russians and neighbors have so many cameras. Looks like possible rocks on the ground if it didn't go into the Black (?) sea. Best always, Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: drtanuki >Sent: Nov 24, 2013 7:00 AM >To: meteorite-list >Subject: [meteorite-list] Ukraine Bolide 21NOV2013 several videos added > >List, >I have just added several posted videos of the Ukraine bolide from 21NOV2013 >http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/11/ukraine-bolide-meteor-21nov2013.html > > >Dirk Ross...Tokyo > >Anyone have other unique videos of this event please share with me; thanks! > >Dirk Ross...Tokyo >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk strewnfield map and trajectory projection - updated final ve
Terrific work as usual Bernd and all. Cordially, Guido -Original Message- >From: Jim Wooddell >Sent: Oct 25, 2013 5:25 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk strewnfield map and trajectory >projection - updated final ve > >H Bernd and all! > >"once in a lifetime". Hmmm. I sure hope not! > >Has anyone calculated the odd of this? Would be interesting to see. > > >Jim > > >On 10/24/2013 3:43 PM, Bernd V. Pauli wrote: >> Yep, a resounding bravo and kudos! I am sure that this detailed >> strewnfield map will help quite a few collectors / scientists locate >> further specimens of this "once in a lifetime" celestial beauty! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Bernd >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3614/6774 - Release Date: 10/23/13 >> >> > > >-- >Jim Wooddell >jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net >http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/ > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Book on Oriented Meteorites just out
Hello Michael and all, Very much needed. Just ordered my copy. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: Michel FRANCO >Sent: Oct 24, 2013 12:32 AM >To: 'Michael Blood' , 'Meteorite List' > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Book on Oriented Meteorites just out > >Hello Michael, > >Just brillant , I look forward to receive my Cafepress copy. > >Regards > >Michel Franco >aka Kayunwar >IMCA 3869 > >-Message d'origine- >De : meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] De la part de Michael >Blood >Envoyé : jeudi 24 octobre 2013 00:00 >À : Meteorite List >Objet : [meteorite-list] Book on Oriented Meteorites just out > >The new book is just out: ASPECTS OF METEORITE ORIENTATION > >(Thanks to Jim Tobin for his assistance) > >CHAPTERS: >1: Definition Of Orientation >2: The Effect Of Orientation On Perceived Value >3: A Proposed Rating System >4: Domed Meteorites >5: Shields >6: Nosecones >7: Teardrops & Bullets >8: Flow Lines >9: Lipping >10: Back Side Pooling & Bubbling >11: Regmaglypting >12: Unique Shapes & Characteristics >13. Flight Markings Vs. Oriented > >Thanks to the 35 photographers who contributed one to 5 photographs each, >added to my own - which are used to illustrate Degrees of various aspects of >orientation. > >This book can be ordered directly from Café Press: > >http://www.cafepress.com/aspectsofmeteoriteorientation.962142181 > >If you just want to see the cover: > >http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AspectsOfMeteoriteOrientation.html > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Exploring the Solar System in Antarctica (NWA vs Antarctica)
Hi all, Just a thought. Don't know if it has been mentioned in this thread, but I wonder how many "Falls" have been reported out of the Antartic and what importance would the actual sighting of a meteor and it's recovery hold to the science and importance of the specimen? I can think of one for suretime of arrival! Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: Adam Hupe >Sent: Oct 9, 2013 9:27 PM >To: Adam >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Exploring the Solar System in Antarctica (NWA >vs Antarctica) > >I will not debate the legacy of Antarctic meteorites. They have had a >wonderful history and their contribution to science has been invaluable. >Most researchers are sample oriented and are not biased by find location but >there are still a few that cling to legacy. Antarctica had a a two decade >plus head start in the abstract/paper queue so naturally there are more >documents. Ten years ago, maybe one in ten papers were on hot desert finds. >Now, I estimate about 50%. At this rate, as very important samples from NWA >and other deserts enter the queue, it will not be long before these finds >handily overtake Antarctica by a wide margin in the business of science. > >In other words; There is not enough material coming out of Antarctica anymore >to reverse the current trend which favors the hot desert meteorites for >research material in the future. > > >Adam > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RES: New Brazilian fall field trip report - The Vicencia Meteorite
Sr. Moutinho, Thank you for the excellent report and links. Congratulations on your aquisition. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 Met Soc -Original Message- >From: Andre Moutinho >Sent: Oct 5, 2013 9:15 PM >To: 'Graham Ensor' >Cc: 'meteorite list' >Subject: [meteorite-list] RES: New Brazilian fall field trip report - The >Vicencia Meteorite > >Thank you very much Graham! > >Best >Andre > > >-Mensagem original- >De: Graham Ensor [mailto:graham.en...@gmail.com] >Enviada em: sábado, 5 de outubro de 2013 05:19 >Para: André Moutinho >Cc: meteorite list >Assunto: Re: [meteorite-list] New Brazilian fall field trip report - The >Vicencia Meteorite > >Great report and recovery Andre, > >Graham > >On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:15 AM, André Moutinho wrote: >> Hello all! >> >> I have arrived today from another field trip to recover the most recent >Brazilian fall. I have solved to write this small report to let everybody >know about this fall: >> >> This very interesting fall event occurred on a small district of Vicencia >named Borracha. Vicência is a small city located about 120 km from Recife >city, the capital of Pernambuco state in Brazil northwest. According to >residents, Borracha interestingly received its name because it grew very >fast stretching like rubber, that means Borracha in Portuguese. >> >> Mr. Adeilson was working in front of his modest joinery in Borracha >village on a sunny Monday day of September, 21st. At a certain moment at >around 3:00 PM he stooped to pick up something on the the ground and >suddenly heard a very loud noise of something that had just hit the ground >nearby him. He did not know what had happened but soon noticed a very >strange black rock on a small pit only about 1 meter from him (he told us he >measured the distance from where he was and the meteorite pit with a >measuring tape and this can be seen on some youtube videos). Mr. Adeilson >caught the almost hammer stone that could have killed him and noticed that >one side of the rock was still hot and the other cold. >> >> Many neighbors were in front of their houses and witnessed the impact >event noticing only the loud noise of the meteorite impact on the ground. >As usual, nothing at impact zone was heard or seen in the air except the >ground hit impact. One or two of them were just on the exact impact >location very few minutes ago. >> >> I had just arrived home from another hard work day on Friday 27th and read >some Internet hot news concerning a possible new meteorite fall in Brazil. >According to these news only a meteorite could have caused such event. I >immediately called Dr. Elizabete Zucolotto, meteorite researcher and curator >of the Brazilian NM. She also read the news and there was no doubt that it >could be a meteorite fall. We had to go to that location immediately. We >bought the flight tickets to Recife at that same night and traveled the >following day. >> >> Arriving at Recife we rented a car and headed to Vicência and then to >Borracha village. On the way from Vicência city to the village we started to >notice the mountains were covered with sugar cane and banana plantations and >started to notice that finding more pieces of this fall could possibly be >harder than Varre-sai. At least in Varre-sai there were some pastures to >search. The entrance for the village is near an alcohol plant. Finding the >village was also hard as there was no signs on the way and we had to ask to >many people we found on the way. A lot of them were drunk and we thought >that the sugar cane plantion were only for local usage.. >> >> The village is basically one road with houses on both sides and a small >church. Interestingly the first person we have found on that village was Mr. >Adeilson in front of his joinery that I have recognized by the videos and >pictures. As hapenned in Varre-Sai with Mr. Germano, Mr Adeilson was already >a famous person on that small village and had already given some interviews >to TV channels and local radios. Fortunatelly the rock was still with him >besides the fact that he had received many offers to sell but refused. The >first lower offer he received was from a local resident that offered a new >motorcycle. >> >> At fall location we made video interviews with Mr. Adeilson and some >neighbors that witnessed the fall event. It was hard even for us that are >Portuguese native to sometime understand what Mr. Adeilson said because of >his strong accent. We then asked him if we could see the rock. He agreed and >lead us to his modest house nearby the joinery. Holding the stone there was >no doubt it was a beautiful super fresh meteorite tha
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite
Hello Roman, This object will be the subject of debate between those on the List who answer your request. Why not advise your friend to cut out all the contention and, as he lives in Arizona, simply take it to the appropriate department of one of the two universities in the area and have a "real" expert examine it. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Roman Jirasek >Sent: Sep 12, 2013 6:50 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Ancient Meteorite > >I had an archaeologist email me today asking about custom labels, and also >if I could help with identifying a possible ancient meteorite he found this >year. > >I received permission to send this question to my fellow colleagues which >may >have more insight into this topic. Read below, or click on link to see his >photos... >http://www.meteoritelabels.com/Ancient.htm > >Cheers, >Roman Jirasek >www.meteoritelabels.com > >Copied email follows > > I am an Archaeologist and recovered a meteorite in 2013, on private >property in Sparta Greece. This meteorite was found inside an ancient vase, >and was buried with human remains. We dated this site to approximately, 220 >BCE to 130 BCE, but have not yet carbon dated the item. > >I do not know of any meteorite falling on or near Sparta Greece. Since the >meteorite was found inside an honorary vase, we suspect it was held in high >regards, and more than likely to remember a battle. > >The only battle recorded that had a meteorite that fell during the battle; >was with ancient Turkey and the Spartans. > >It actually stopped the battle for two days, thinking it was a sign from the >gods. Many of the Spartans recovered portions of the meteorite is a sign of >victory from the God of Mars. > >I have enclosed a picture of the meteorite. Can you tell me? Of any >meteorites that fell prior to 220 BCE, since we know that was the earliest >date, since the meteorites was buried with the hoplite soldier. We assume >the meteorite obviously fell before that date. > >This would help us, with dating the find. > >Additionally what would the selling price be if it were to be sold. The >meteorite? > >Thank you > >Douglas Roth. >Phoenix, Arizona. >Sparta archaeology. > >Yes, it is fine to forward the info and pics. > >I don't have any dir links, but can be found, on face book for Douglas >Rothman Scottsdale, or ancient history on face book for archeology travel >and tours. > >Douglas Rothman. > > > > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Listers, Wellit sure is a pretty suckerthe guy, or gal that went to all that trouble is talented to say the least! I still enjoy looking at the videos. I'm just not ready yet to throw in the towel. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Marco Langbroek >Sent: Sep 6, 2013 9:30 AM >To: Meteorite List , >countde...@earthlink.net >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now, posted! > Another spectacular video. > > >Count Deiro wrote: > >> As they say"with all due respect"to those of you with vastly more >> experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are >> attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical >> complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while >> estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally, >> pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what >> possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so >> stunningly recorded are the "real deal". > >I humbly disagree. > >There are multiple reasons why people would have faked this. > >Over the past few years we have seen multitudes of fake UFO video's, fake >videos >of strange "archaeological" finds (e.g. "giants" a few years ago), fake >"surviving mammoth filmed in Siberia" video's, fake Loch Ness videos, fake >"eagle snatches kid in the park" videos, you name it. Nowadays, these kind of >animations can be done with off the shelf software that is readily available. > >Reasons to make such fake movies can be very diverse: > >- People like to fool other people; >- Maybe someone wants to practise their CGI skills; >- Maybe someone made this as a practical exam assignment; >- Maybe someone created this as a "proof of concept" for potential customers; >- Maybe this is intended as a viral for an upcoming movie or game; >- Maybe this is made for an upcoming movie or game > >... to name just a few options. > >The 'Eagle snatches kid in the park" video of a year ago for example, was an >exam product created by university students. > >The video's of this fireball that surfaced are too similar in composition and >quality, and too 'neat' - with very smooth panning for example, rather than >shakey panic. As Rob mentioned, some are weird - why was the person capturing >the fireball filming in the first place? In some video's, it appears the >filmer >is actually *waiting* for the fireball to appear. And on some of the video's, >the "fireball" really looks CGI if you look carefully (in the train video for >example, and the one where it disappears behind a hill). Then there are the >other things that don't ad up as pointed out by Rob earlier. >To top it, all these video's appear out of nowhere on new YouTube accounts, or >youtube accounts that collect dubious movies. > >These video's therefore really do not answer to the pattern of casual >eyewitnesses. Moreover, there shouldn't be just these video's: TV stations, >Radio stations, police, observatories, they should have been flooded by >eyewitness reports > >Nowadays, you simply have to be suspicious. Too many people like to play with >CGI and unlike 10 years ago, it is no longer the domain of professionals (nor >very expensive). A 19-year-old on his parents loft can do it. > >- Marco > >- >Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek >Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) > >e-mail: d...@marcolangbroek.nl >http://www.dmsweb.org >http://www.marcolangbroek.nl >- > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! Another spectacular video.
Hi Rob, Mike, Dirk and all, As they say"with all due respect"to those of you with vastly more experience than I in the subjectthese old eyes and the brain they are attached to have digested the visual data, then thought out the technical complexities involved in producing a series of multiple fakes while estimating the cost in time and money that would be involved and finally, pondered why anyone would spend that time and treasureand for what possible purpose. Conclusion? The San Luis Potosi bolide and its history so stunningly recorded are the "real deal". Thanks again, Dirk Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: "Matson, Robert D." >Sent: Sep 4, 2013 6:54 PM >To: Michael Farmer , drtanuki >Cc: meteorite-list >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP, MX Bolide now posted! >Another spectacular video. > >Hi Mike, > >The biggest problem as I see it is the reported time -- some time after 5 pm >local time. If this is the time that purported witnesses are claiming, then >it's a hoax: it would require the meteor to be travelling north-to-south as >seen from one location (Matehuala, to the NNE of San Luis Potosi), while it >is clearly moving southeast-to-northwest in the San Luis Potosi video taken >in front of Iglesia de la Compañía. > >Personally, I don't see how the time can be right. All the videos that show >the sun (or shadows from it) clearly have it very high in the sky, which >the sun certainly is not at 5 pm or later, even at the solstice. If this >fall is real, it had to have occurred much closer to noon, and most likely >prior to noon. > >--Rob > >P.S. Why are a dozen people standing around in the plaza in front of >Iglesia de la Compañía, all with cell phone cameras ready to record >a meteor PRIOR to its appearance!? > >-Original Message- >From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael >Farmer >Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2013 6:37 PM >To: drtanuki >Cc: meteorite-list >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Video 5 of SLP,MX Bolide now posted! Another >spectacular video. > >Im not sure why people think this is fake, would be very hard to do, and with >seemingly no purpose. I am pretty sure. it is real. > >Michael Farmer > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite hitting report- anyone want to investigate?
Hey DirkWhy don't you call that self annointed expert up there in Colorado and see if he's out on bail? Hugs, Guido -Original Message- >From: drtanuki >Sent: Sep 4, 2013 10:08 PM >To: meteorite-list >Subject: [meteorite-list] Colorado meteorite hitting report- anyone want to >investigate? > >List, Anyone want to investigate. I am calling him for an interview. Dirk > > 02SEP2013 Erik. Water pond 18:40 MST 3-5 second hissing sound, entered the >water at extremely high velocity, immediately followed by an under water >explosion and bubbles. The water is about 20-25 ft. deep Possibly NW-SE; >Facing NE Loud hissing sound of a small object descending at very high speed, >something small deeply penetrated the water with a tiny bit of smoke, >immediately followed by an underwater explosion, and lots of bubble from deep >under water I heard it coming but could not tell from which direction. I >didn't look up, only into the water Yes. Several very small pieces hit the >water at nearly the same time I was taking photographs, but was so startled >and amazed I never thought to take a picture. I am familiar with golf and guns >and this item definitely fell from the sky and is not to be confused with >either. > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt -
Hi Greg, Relax! You don't need to apologize to anyone. Have a beer and forget those SAG/AFTRA members. You know what would be cool if you still insist on doing aomething worthy? Find the first United States lunarexactly 9.99 lbs..in the front lawn of the BLM'S Mohave Desert Management office in Barstow! Your friend, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Greg Hupé >Sent: Aug 29, 2013 11:31 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight NGC > >Hello All, > >I feel I must apologize to the meteorite community for ever mentioning the >"Diggers" detecting show yesterday. Since they were going to be hunting at >Glorieta and mentioned, "Finding Civil War relics and 'other' treasures", I >was hoping they would show them finding a meteorite. I have been to Glorieta >many times and was also hoping to see some of the ground we all covered over >the years... nope. > >I will depart now and try to find something worthy to make up for the >commotion my post has created... > >Best Regards, >Greg > > >Greg Hupé >The Hupé Collection >gmh...@centurylink.net >www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >IMCA 3163 > >Click here for my current eBay auctions: >http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > >-Original Message- >From: Greg Hupé >Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:48 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight NGC > >Hello All, > >There is a metal detecting show on the National Geographic Channel (NGC) >tonight at 9:00 PM EST where the guys are at Glorieta, NM hunting for a >'variety' of treasures. the show is called, "Diggers". It will be >interesting to see if they find any meteorites!! > >Best Regards, >Greg > > >Greg Hupé >The Hupé Collection >gmh...@centurylink.net >www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site) >www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) >NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay) >http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault >http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault >IMCA 3163 > >Click here for my current eBay auctions: >http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault > > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt -
WELL SAID MIKEGAND DITTO! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Sent: Aug 29, 2013 11:04 AM >To: Michael Farmer >Cc: Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - "Diggers" episode Tonight NGC > >Discovery, Learning Channel, and A&E are wastelands of tripe now. I >remember when TLC had "learning" on it. I remember when Discovery was >about science. I remember when A&E had "arts" on it. Now it's Dog >the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what >they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out >contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian >channel is getting a little dodgy. > > I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless >"binoculars" that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best >optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the >world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars >for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of >scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those >advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from >advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print >magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless >junk on their readers and viewers. > >I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt. > >Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than >they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into >File 13. > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >-- >- >Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >- > > >On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer wrote: >> I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have >> been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it >> might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show >> sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like >> buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want >> to hear about happy things, little puppies and "Hannibal Nectar's" lost >> razor blade:) >> Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop >> donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this >> garbage. >> >> Michael Farmer >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: >> >>> Michael Farmer, why is posing a "could be" statement stupid? They say >>> "could be" because those things "could be" true. They're probably >>> not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could >>> be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this >>> list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their >>> panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to >>> the producers and express your displeasure. It "could be" that you do >>> not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy >>> some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, >>> American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, >>> Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? >>> >>> And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do >>> with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the >>> Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for >>> official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a >>> result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real >>> life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to >>> the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a "could >>> be" statement, too. Such a vicious circle. >>> >>> Michael in so. Cal. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer >>> wrote: >>>> It is just really stupid to say that "this could be Kitt Carson's powder >>>> horn" or "Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade". This is entertainment for the >>>> lowest end of the sp
[meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor
Hi Listers, One of the small things in life, but something that brings big pleasure is to have the opportunity to compliment and thank someone for their providing free gratis excitement and interest into your life. Our colleague and friend in Tokyo, Dirk Ross, tirelessly maintains his WORLD WIDE METEOR/METEORITE site gathering and posting the news,videos and photos of events we are interested in. His posting of the four extraordinary videos of the August 21st. meteor crossing the mountains and valleys near San Luis Potosi, Mexico are thrilling. The last of the four is such a classic that it will always remain in my memory bank. It is far more interesting than the video of the Great Fireball of 1972 (Gran Teton Grazer.) http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/08/san-luis-potosi-mexico-daytime-bolide.html Thank you Dirk..I understand there were sonics associated with this meteor. It would be great to find if it became a meteorite. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite identification flowchart
There are exceptions...important ones. Cases in point. 1. On my first hunt, the first rock I walked up to after walking 100 yards from the truck on a paved State highway, having spotted it visually sticking 4" out of the sand was the record 13.7 kilo "Stump Springs" LL6. The largest intact ordinary chondrite found in Nevada to date. By cell phone, I had to offer my partner a $100 to trek back to my location to confirm it was a meteorite. I'd never seen a meteorite before. 2. The first and only rock sent to me off a Craig's list ad I ran asking for samples from just folks thinking they had a meteorite turned out to be an extrememly rare 90 gram classification that created a furor. It can happen. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 Met Soc -Original Message- >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Sent: Aug 20, 2013 11:49 AM >To: Adam Hupe >Cc: Adam >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite identification flowchart > >This handy flowchart should be required reading for all new hunters. :) > >It should also be shown to journalists and TV people. LOL. > > >-- >- >Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >- > > >On 8/20/13, Adam Hupe wrote: >> That is funny but true. >> >> It made me laugh which hurt my jaw since it is all stitched together and I >> am off of pain medications at the moment. >> >> Happy Hunting, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Randy Korotev >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Cc: >> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:38 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite identification flowchart >> >> The author of the popular (at least in my business) mindat web site >> just called to my attention this very handy and accurate flowchart: >> >> http://www.mindat.org/forum.php?read,11,279733,279809 >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Recent Main Stream Media Article
Gee! What will they think of next? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2385867/Meteorite-images-reveal-kaleidoscope-colours-looking-like-stained-glass.html Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New 1920g Nevada Chondrite Found by Terry Scott
Yes, Cut it in half. Remember "it's customary for hunters to share half their finds with their fellows hunters." Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Paul Gessler >Sent: Aug 1, 2013 12:22 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, ocotillosc...@gmail.com, >wahlpe...@aol.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New 1920g Nevada Chondrite Found by Terry Scott > >SPECTACULAR > >Cut her open! > >Paul Gessler > > >-Original Message- >From: wahlpe...@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 11:20 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; ocotillosc...@gmail.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] New 1920g Nevada Chondrite Found by Terry Scott > >Hi List, > >Here is a couple pictures of a new Nevada 1920g chondrite found by >Terry Scott. The meteorite is the third to be recovered from the new >strewn field. > >http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/Sonny_Clary_nevadameteorites.html > >Sonny >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >- >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3209/6043 - Release Date: 08/01/13 > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale
Dear List, I consider it an honor to join Abdelfattah in the panalopy of persons slandered by Mike Farmer, although the scammer allegation is puzzling, as I have NEVER sold a meteorite to anyone in my life And the only one that came through my hands with that consideration in mind, the infamous Cat Mountain pairings classified by Dr. Ted Bunch, whom I recall has also been slandered by Farmer, was sold by someone else to Ruben Garcia. Whom I guess doesn't know he was scammed, nor the people he sold the slices to. Anyone interested in the legitimacy of my descent can search Count Guido Deiro under GOOGLE IMAGES. There are more than 1500 hits and articles to look at including a few about my race horses running in England that bear my name. The English are easy on using fake titles publicly. You only get 3 to five years. Or look on Google Earth and find the four lane boulevard in Las Vegas named after me. It's easy to fool Mayors and City Councils too. We is who we is. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 Met Soc -Original Message- >From: Michael Farmer >Sent: Jul 13, 2013 4:30 PM >To: Count Deiro >Cc: Guy Heinen , "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale > >I'm insulted by a fake Count and scammer? Hardly:) > >On Jul 13, 2013, at 7:26 PM, Count Deiro wrote: > >> Give it up Guy. The man's knuckles drag. مشرف Abdelfattah. On behalf of >> those of us who realize you were grossly insulted, we apologize. >> السلام عليكم ورحمة وبركاته. >> Count Deiro >> >> -Original Message- >>> From: Guy Heinen >>> Sent: Jul 13, 2013 9:28 AM >>> To: Michael Farmer >>> Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >>> >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale >>> >>> Sorry, Michael, >>> >>> but 'amateur' means not only the contrary of 'professional', but comes >>> from the latin 'amare' = to love. >>> An amateur is also a lover. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 13.07.13 18:18, schrieb Michael Farmer: >>>> Why amateurs? Fake? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:16 PM, abdelfattah gharrad >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> hello members list, >>>>> >>>>> amateurs interested to ureilite contact me please of list for pictures >>>>> and price. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Abdelfattah. >>>>> >>>>> __ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> __ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale
Give it up Guy. The man's knuckles drag. مشرف Abdelfattah. On behalf of those of us who realize you were grossly insulted, we apologize. السلام عليكم ورحمة وبركاته. Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: Guy Heinen >Sent: Jul 13, 2013 9:28 AM >To: Michael Farmer >Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ureilite for sale > >Sorry, Michael, > >but 'amateur' means not only the contrary of 'professional', but comes >from the latin 'amare' = to love. >An amateur is also a lover. > > > > > >Am 13.07.13 18:18, schrieb Michael Farmer: >> Why amateurs? Fake? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 13, 2013, at 12:16 PM, abdelfattah gharrad >> wrote: >> >>> >>> hello members list, >>> >>> amateurs interested to ureilite contact me please of list for pictures and >>> price. >>> Thanks, >>> Abdelfattah. >>> >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix (delete now if bored)
Hi List, In defiance of a certain Listee who always seems to have something to say derogatorily whenever I post and the fact that my former mentor, Sonny, has made a contribution to this thread with a mistaken AFB identification, I will add a final antidote. I am a former oil burning aviator of no little experience who spent literally thousands of hours tearing around the sky over the deserts of the Southwest. Oblivious all the time as to the wealth of meteorites that were beneath my swept back wings. I can attest to the truth of Adam Hupe's account of being "buzzed" by the Navy (They fly F-18s, not the USAF) because a pilot will buzz anything he thinks he can startle, or impress.(There was a good looking young lady in Adam's group). My favorite prank, when I had the fuel and no wingman, was to see how low I could fly, at a sufficiently high mach number, over the nearest legal house of ill repute along my course. I'm sure that the Cottontail, Fran's Star Ranch, Sherries, Ash Meadows Lodge, the Green Lantern and Bobbie's Buckeye (all located in remote areas of Southern Nevada not far from what is correctly known as "Creech" AFB) have all been in my sights on more than one occasion. Just remembering what the effect must of been in those cribs makes me chuckle. HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY TO ALL AMERICANS! Count Deiro -Original Message- >From: wahlpe...@aol.comt> Sent: Jul 5, 2013 6:53 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix > >Hi List, > >I had to dig a little deeper to investigate Adam's experience on the >hillside. I have a friend who works at Screech AFB. I contacted him to >go through the flight data recorders on the F 16's in Nevada. Here is >what he came up with out of Thunderjet 1. A lot of it is pretty garbled >but here is what he was able to interpret. > >Vegas BLM office to Thunderjet 1. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office go >ahead. Thunderjet 1 we have reports of radio traffic in Sector 1. It is >possibly the meteorite men or that pesky meteorite hunter with his dog. >We want you to deviate from your current mission and go investigate. A >few seconds later. Thunderjet 1 to Vegas BLM office- >Vegas BLM to Thunderjet 1 go ahead. Thunderjet 1- I have the vehicles >in sight. It appears they are armed with magnet sticks. Do you want me >to engage? Thunderjet 1 that is negative. We want you to fly around >inconspicuously and monitor them. Roger 10-4 Thunderjet 1 monitoring. A >few seconds later. Vegas BLM office Thunderjet 1-It appears one of the >people on hillside are waving or making an obscene gesture. Do you wish >for me to engage? Vegas office to Thunderjet 1-that is negative. We >want you to return to base. We have bigger chickens to fry. Copy- >Thunderjet 1 over and out. > >All kidding aside, the Air Force jets have been buzzing people in rural >areas in Nevada for as long as I can remember. We have relatives in >Central and Northern Nevada who have experienced the jets flying so low >over their ranches that it shook their homes. We have witnessed C 130's >landing on dry lake beds (imagine the dust clouds) and military planes >flying at all hours. It is not uncommon to see the jets flying in >remote areas doing dog fights, sending out flares, etc. I think this is >something that us folks that have been in Nevada for several >generations have gotten used to. > >Sonny > > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: Adam Hupe >To: Adam >Sent: Fri, Jul 5, 2013 12:21 am >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ED fix > > > > >We were at least 40 miles away from the nearest military installation >that I >know of. Maybe I misinterpreted the jet flyby but it looked deliberate >to me. >Possibly the pilot turned his head to watch the mountain side as he >blasted by >us. In any case, it startled our group while climbing a steep incline >and >somebody could have easily lost their footing and been injured so I >don't see >the humor in it. We did not see or hear a jet all day and to have one >buzz our >exact location seems more than a coincidence to me. The surrounding >rock was >hotter than our body heat so I am sure thermal imaging is not what gave >our >location away. > > >It is all fun and games until all of your rights have been trampled on >or >vanished completely. If you think it is alright to have a government >spy on its >citizenship then you need to go back to school and learn history. Our >founding >fathers would be extremely upset by this who gives a crap attitude. >People seem >to forget that the government is here to serve us and not the other way >around. > > >We are loosing
[meteorite-list] ED Fix
Hi List, In response to Adam, and others, very succinct descriptions of the many means the Feds, Insurance Companies, Private Eyes and God knows who else, can access and recover ED on any of us, I have come up with a fix. (Tah Dah!) Using reverse engineering techniques first perfected by Japan and Russia during the great WW2, I submit that we use Carrier Pigeons for all private communication. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover
Heh Heh! Guido -Original Message- >From: Ted Bunch >Sent: Jun 20, 2013 12:27 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity >Rover > >Beer can tab. >Ted > >On 6/20/13 8:40 AM, Jodie Reynolds wrote: >> Hello Jeff, >> >> Registration artifact. >> >> When one goes about putting these together, one would generally work >> in at least a 24bit if not a 32bit space with a transparent >> background. >> >> I sick a whole bunch of processing power on the problem with a neural >> network looking for features that match-up. Once those millions of >> points are selected (through many hours of training and then >> automated iteration), my image processing software then has to warp, >> bend, fold, spindle, and mutilate the individual frames, stitching >> them together into an image that looks attractive on a flat 2D screen. >> >> When that's done, it needs to then have the bit depth reduced for >> end user consumption. That involves getting rid of the transparent >> background and filling that space "underneath" with some color. >> >> I have a few tricks that NASA/JPL folks may not employ. One of them >> is filling the background with pure Red (255,0,0), then another with >> pure Green (0,0,255), then another with pure Blue (0,255,0). Those >> then go through another pre-processing step of overlaying those and >> checking for each color pure color. Any area that flags for two of >> the three is suspect. Small areas that don't precisely >> line-up like that get flagged for manual revision. That step allows >> me to pull them into an image editor and quickly pixel-hack them >> together in a convincing way (although not scientifically valuable). >> >> I suspect they skip that step entirely and just fill the background >> with white and post it. >> >> Even with the current state-of-the-art, any time you have motion you >> have registration issues that can't be gracefully resolved. Mine >> show those artifacts around the rover itself, especially in the >> shadows. >> >> Creating panoramas from so many frames of a sphere and then >> unwrapping the sphere into 2D isn't an exact science. Plenty of room >> for discovery there. >> >> --- Jodie >> >> >> Thursday, June 20, 2013, 2:15:39 AM, you wrote: >> >>> Anyone else see this? It's something white sitting between two rocks around >>> mid-pic. >> >>> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152932582005103&set=a.498242950102 >>> .395373.156382705102 >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> Jeff >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke >>> Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2013 4:40 AM >>> To: Meteorite Mailing List >>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity >>> Rover >> >> >>> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-205 >> >>> Billion-Pixel View of Mars Comes From Curiosity Rover >>> Jet Propulsion Laboratory >>> June 19, 2013 >> >>> PASADENA, Calif. -- A billion-pixel view from the surface of Mars, from >>> NASA's Mars rover Curiosity, offers armchair explorers a way to examine >>> one part of the Red Planet in great detail. >> >>> The first NASA-produced view from the surface of Mars larger than one >>> billion pixels stitches together nearly 900 exposures taken by cameras >>> onboard Curiosity and shows details of the landscape along the rover's >>> route. >> >>> The 1.3-billion-pixel image is available for perusal with pan and zoom >>> tools at: http://mars.nasa.gov/bp1/ . >> >>> The full-circle scene surrounds the site where Curiosity collected its >>> first scoops of dusty sand at a windblown patch called "Rocknest," and >>> extends to Mount Sharp on the horizon. >> >>> "It gives a sense of place and really shows off the cameras' >>> capabilities," said Bob Deen of the Multi-Mission Image Processing >>> Laboratory at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "You >>> can see the context and also zoom in to see very fine details." >> >>> Deen assembled the product using 850 frames from the telephoto camera of >>> Curiosity's Mast Camera instrument, supplemented with 21 frames from the >>> Mastcam's wider-angle camera and 25 black-and-white frames -- mostly of >>> the rover itself -- from the Navigation Camera. The images were taken on >>> several different Mars days between Oct. 5 and Nov. 16, 2012. Raw >>> single-frame images received from Curiosity are promptly posted on a >>> public website at: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/multimedia/raw/ . Mars >>> fans worldwide have used those images to assemble mosaic views, >>> including at least one gigapixel scene. >> >>> The new mosaic from NASA shows illumination effects from variations in >>> the time of day for pieces of the mosaic. It also shows variations in >>> the clarity of the atmosphere due to variable dustiness during the month >>> while the images were acquired. >> >>> NA
[meteorite-list] What is this?
Hi List, There is something about this object that doesn't seem to add up. The claim is that it is a "piece" of an old "Mir" space station. http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/14/rock-found-in-amesbury-backyard-came-from-space-station/ Comments? Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - slickensides or shock planes?
Thank you, Bernd. You are a river to your fellow enthusiasts. Guido -Original Message- >From: Richard Montgomery >Sent: May 21, 2013 5:21 PM >To: "Bernd V. Pauli" , >meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - slickensides or shock planes? > >Bernd, perfect summary. Thanks. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Bernd V. Pauli" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2013 2:36 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk - slickensides or shock planes? > > >Hello All, > >We had a similar discussion many, many years ago >(September 2001). Here's a short overview of our results: > >Summary: > >- broken surface is covered with glossy striations >- slickensides are identified by shiny mirror like surfaces > on an otherwise rough rock > >- they are the product of faulting in a rock body (as the crust > shifts, even slightly, the roughness of the rock tends to smooth) > >- slickensides are formed from the movement of rocks relative to each other > along fracture planes in fault zones > >- rub your finger along the grooves which make up the slickensides: > >* they feel rough when you move your finger in the direction opposite > to which the adjacent rock moved to form the slickensides > >+ they feel smooth when you rub in the same direction the adjacent rock > moved because it sheared off any microscopic projections or rough > edges as it moved > > => Not found in shatter cones! > >- slickensides are formed when opposite sides of rock faults > move in different directions > >- extreme pressure generates frictional heat as the rock faces are forced > past each other partially melting a thin veneer of rock at the interface > (result: smoothing of rough edges and a polished looking surface) > >- they are not formed by explosive breakup in the earth's atmosphere > (in such a breakup pieces would be flying apart from each other > whereas in slickensides the opposite is happening: the rock faces > are being forced against each other) but: see below ** > >- possible formation scenario: an impact event in space results in > movement of two adjacent parts of the stony meteorite relative to > each other along a preexisting fracture plane thus creating grooves > >- slickensides are polished, grooved surfaces that occur along shear planes > >- slickensides form along internal shear planes as opposite parts > move past one another > >- opposite parts rub against each other, their surfaces become smoothed, > lineated, and grooved > >- slickensides are formed when two planar sides grind past each other > >- slickensides can be created at the moment of breakup (not by the explosive > part of this breakup but rather when two parts of the meteorite grind past > each other along a pre- existing fracture - so-called shear rupturing) ** > >and here are some of the listees that participated in the discussion: > >Charlie Devine (started the discussion), Eric Olson, Robert Verish, >... to name a few. > >Cheers, > >Bernd > > > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in second Connecticut home
Certainly some of our intrepid hunters should be on their way to Connecticut? Thats a pretty fat fall...looks nice and fresh. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- >From: David Johnson >Sent: May 15, 2013 7:24 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite found in second Connecticut home > >Story here: > >http://www.westhartfordnews.com/articles/2013/05/15/news/doc518cffeb1cb0a652600153.txt#.UZOe18xvjKs.twitter >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Additive
Hi List, Adam said he didn't think this post made it to the Listees that were posting regarding the use of meteorite dust in certain applications, so I'm re-posting with an apology. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc Hi Adam, Now I know why that beauty you recently enchained finally said yes. I'm trying desperately to stay on topic here, but I must reveal that my successful experiments involving the aphrodisiatic benefits of meteorite dust include dispensing copious amounts of Mum's extra brut to the distaff side whilst imbibing a tenth of a gram of any 1AB I can get a hold ofand a Viagra. Cordially, Guido __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic stardust anti-ageing cream
Hi Adam, Now I know why that beauty you recently enchained finally said yes. I'm trying desperately to stay on topic here, but I must reveal that my experiments involve dispensing copious amounts of Mum's extra brut to the distaff side whilst imbibing a tenth of a gram of any 1AB I can get a hold ofand a Viagra. Cordially, Guido -Original Message- >From: Adam Hupe >Sent: Apr 24, 2013 8:34 AM >To: Adam >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic stardust anti-ageing cream > >Yes, I had a customer who was buying up every small vial of NWA 5000 lunar >cutting dust I had for sale. He asked if he could buy some off to the side >and I said no problem. He was pleased to hear that I had over a pound of it >until I told him that the rest was dedicated to a project. I suggested he buy >NWA 482 lunar dust instead. > >He bought a vial of NWA 482 and was not pleased. I asked what the problem >was and he admitted that he was adding the dust to saki and drinking it after >dinner. He stated that the NWA 482 dust didn't work and that his wife was not >happy. He went on to explain that the NWA 5000 dust made him a young man in >the bedroom and that if I did not provide him with more that he would leave me >negative feedback on eBay. I told him that I would provide him with a gram >and that is all I could spare at the time. He then accused me of >substituting NWA 482 dust instead of NWA 5000. He then bought a rather large >slice to grind up himself. > >I am sure it was the saki giving him prowess but he believed it was the moon >dust. I finally blocked this guy from bidding not wanting to risk negative >feedback. > >Adam > > > > > > > >- Original Message - >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >To: Mendy Ouzillou >Cc: Adam Hupe ; Adam > >Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:56 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic stardust anti-ageing cream > >Well, this does explain my ravishing youthful looks, vibrant attitude, >and stallion-like reproductive prowess. After years of consuming >meteorite dust, it's finally starting to pay off! > > >-- >- >Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >- > > >On 4/24/13, Mendy Ouzillou wrote: >> Adam, >> >> During the campus-wide Berkeley Days event last weekend, Crystal, Jacob and >> I went to visit Jason, Peter and Barbara Utas who put on an incredible >> outreach/educational program. In a classroom of the earth sciences building, >> they displayed some impressive specimens from their collection. They were so >> swamped that I volunteered to help for about 1.5 hours answering various >> questions from the very young to the very old, from the really ridiculous to >> the really thoughtful. >> >> This woman came in with her two children and began quizzing me about >> meteorites having special energy or properties (not the scientific kind >> either). She then proceeded to tell me that her homeopathic doctor >> "prescribed" meteoritic iron to give to one of her children for either >> breathing or anxiety issues. I was suffering from both of those as she was >> telling me her story and thankfully had 2 grams of Sikhote Alin between the >> cheek and gums to address the issues. When I calmly explained to her that >> meteorites are made up of the same things as earth rocks and in fact >> contained trace amounts of other undesirable things that should not be given >> to children, she grew slightly offended and told me that her homeopath (wait >> for it ...), "well, he is a doctor" before waling out the door. >> >> After the visitor left, I told the story to Peter (who is a practicing >> medical doctor) and Jason and they suggested it was probably just an >> off-the-shelf iron supplement and we all sighed in relief that she was >> probably only being scammed. I then promptly spit out the Sikhote. >> >> I was able to educate two people who came in about the synergy between >> hunters, collectors and scientists and hopefully cleared away some of their >> misconceptions regarding meteorite ownership. >> >> My favorite moment was when a 10 or 11 year old boy told me he saw the >> Novato fire ball. I told him to go tell Jason because he would be really >> jealous ;-) and ask Jason to show him an actual Novato meteorite. HOW COOL >> IS THAT >> >> >> All in all, huge kudos to Jason and his family for putting on an incredible >> event that clearly requires significant effort. The effort is also physical >> in that they bring in LARGE irons for everyone to enjoy. >> >> >> Mendy Ouzillou >> >> >>> >>> From: Adam Hupe >>>To: Adam >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:07 AM >>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteoritic star
Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
Hallo Martin, I said meteorite to him and the answer was "no". I don't want to call attention to myself by asking for a further clarification. My feeling is that he would take offense at my having the impudence (Frechheit) to quote his own laws to him. Alles bestes Guido -Original Message- >From: Martin Altmann >Sent: Apr 18, 2013 12:14 PM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh! > >Hi Count, > >maybe you could ask the consul again, to give you the respective law? > >Decisive is the Law No. 2863 of July 21, 1983 on Conservation of Cultural and >Natural Property (as last amended by Law No. 5835 of February 4, 2009 and Law >No. 5917 of June 25, 2009) > >Here it is in English version: >http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=249359 > >It definitely has no meteorites in the catalogue-articles, where all kind of >object-categories are explicitly named. > >Neither cover the definitions of "cultural property" nor "natural property", >given in Chapter 1, Art. 3a) 1)&2) >Meteorites in general, but would need an interpretation by a court. >E.g. a find of H5 could perhaps not be regarded "unique" (nor being of beauty, >if it's W3, hehe). > >And even if covered, if purchased from a dealer with the right license, they >could be exported like antiquities in such cases too. > >On the other side, rocks are per se not "o.k." see the definition of "natural >property". > > >Best, >Martin > > >-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Count Deiro >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. April 2013 20:31 >An: Anne Black; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh! > >Dear Anne, > >In reading the story, the two suspected artifacts are described in the body of >the article. > >I have contacted the Turkish Cultural and Economic Affairs office in Los >Angeles, California and His Excellency, Aydın Topcu, Consul General for >Turkey, informs me that the collection of meteorites for removal from Turkey >is forbidden under law and that there is no permit process. > >So "rocks" ok...other things not. > >Cordially, > >Count Deiro >IMCA 3536 > >-Original Message- >>From: Anne Black >>Sent: Apr 18, 2013 11:09 AM >>To: countde...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh! >> >>Sorry, but this does not add up. >>I have been to Turkey twice, beautiful country, very friendly people. I >>have bought minerals, some multi-colored marbles, picked up some blue >>serpentine on the side of the road, and had no problem at all bringing >>them back. >>I also visited many archaeological sites, but I certainly would never >>pick up anything there. >> >>I wonder what his "stones" look like! >> >> >>Anne M. Black >>www.IMPACTIKA.com >>impact...@aol.com >> >> >>-Original Message- >>From: Count Deiro >>To: meteorite-list >>Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:48 am >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh! >> >> >>Hello Listees, >> >>Take a look at how Turkey is handling "rock collectors". And this one a >>tourist! >> >> >>http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22013551/us-tourist-faces-jail-in-turkey-f >>or-collecting-beach-stones#axzz2QpOTN1Sq >> >>"It will never be he same." >> >>Count Deiro >>IMCA 3536 MetSoc >>__ >> >>Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
Dear Anne, In reading the story, the two suspected artifacts are described in the body of the article. I have contacted the Turkish Cultural and Economic Affairs office in Los Angeles, California and His Excellency, Aydın Topcu, Consul General for Turkey, informs me that the collection of meteorites for removal from Turkey is forbidden under law and that there is no permit process. So "rocks" ok...other things not. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Anne Black >Sent: Apr 18, 2013 11:09 AM >To: countde...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh! > >Sorry, but this does not add up. >I have been to Turkey twice, beautiful country, very friendly people. I >have bought minerals, some multi-colored marbles, picked up some blue >serpentine on the side of the road, and had no problem at all bringing >them back. >I also visited many archaeological sites, but I certainly would never >pick up anything there. > >I wonder what his "stones" look like! > > >Anne M. Black >www.IMPACTIKA.com >impact...@aol.com > > >-Original Message- >From: Count Deiro >To: meteorite-list >Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:48 am >Subject: [meteorite-list] Uh! Oh! > > >Hello Listees, > >Take a look at how Turkey is handling "rock collectors". And this one a >tourist! > > >http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22013551/us-tourist-faces-jail-in-turkey-for-collecting-beach-stones#axzz2QpOTN1Sq > >"It will never be he same." > >Count Deiro >IMCA 3536 MetSoc >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Uh! Oh!
Hello Listees, Take a look at how Turkey is handling "rock collectors". And this one a tourist! http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/22013551/us-tourist-faces-jail-in-turkey-for-collecting-beach-stones#axzz2QpOTN1Sq "It will never be he same." Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Roach Dry Lake Finds
Congrats David, Roach has been hammered by some of the best in the community for years. I'm not one of the best...but I've been with some...and we thought there couldn't be another specimen out there. Did you notice all the little piles of meteorite wrongs all over the place? I forget who told me he had put all the non stuff in piles here and there so as to be able to go back and hunt without picking the same stuff up. Good on you and a nice looking meteorite, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: David Libuszowski >Sent: Apr 12, 2013 7:55 PM >To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Roach Dry Lake Finds > >Hey Everyone, > I Got out today with Richard Garcia (kgmrg), we searched Roach Dry Lake Bed, >which is located right next to Primm, NV. This is a hard hit area, and getting >real difficult to find anything there nowadays. For the whole day I found only >one 6.38 gram meteorite. The grasshoppers are out in full effect, and weather >is getting warm. >DolanDave Libuszowski > > >https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/483475_178756822277349_1027325065_n.jpg > > >http://www.facebook.com/dolandave.libuszowski >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk purchase
There now. Don't you feel properly stupid? Did Mike succeed in making you sorry you didn't buy something from him instead? Listen my friend, Many of us act on our own and do just nicely, If you bought from Andrey Barakshin that lives in Finland, don't worry you will get your goods. I bought from him and it took several weeks. He was in Russia buying stones when I committed for a half dozen and he had to go back to Finland to do his prep and mailing. It takes time. I also bught from common villagers who had found out about Ebay from selling car parts. Both of them turned out to be real gentlmen, but it took longer to receive them. We have some self appointed "Masters of the Art" for which the finding, buying, trading and selling of things meteoric is the way they pay the rent and send the girl friend flowers, so don't expect a pat on the back and a generous little tip on how to save a buck, or cut a corner drom them.. To them,meteorites are a business and a game of oneupsmanship. Remember that. Relax. I bet you'll get your stones. Amd if someting does delay ithem, I'll bet it wasn't because of whom you dealt with. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Michael Farmer >Sent: Apr 5, 2013 11:27 AM >To: Michael Brooks >Cc: Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk purchase > >If you had bought from known dealers you would have by now, safe and secure. >Why do people risk a couple $$$ >Savings? >All of my customers and those out known Russian friends are happy as can be >right now. >Michael > >Sent from my iPhone > >On Apr 5, 2013, at 11:24 AM, Michael Brooks wrote: > >>> Hello list, >> >> I was curious how long it took for some of you to receive your meteorites >> from Russia? The seller I purchased mine from stated that he sent it to me >> on March 11, 2013, I have yet to receive it. I want to be prudent and seek >> council from you before I make the decision to put a claim into PayPal. It >> has been a little more than three weeks, could someone more experienced in >> shipping to and from Russia please advise if I am correct in being a little >> concerned or should I give it a few more weeks. I have questioned my seller >> to this and have not received a satisfactory response. Yes I know the danger >> of dealing with someone who is a new seller, however since I used PayPal I >> felt assured that if it did not work out I would be able to recoup my funds. >> Any advice would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Michael Brooks >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday
Sad day friends, Just listening to this NPR interview confirms what has happened, and is continuing to happen, to form the public perception of meteorites. The interviewer is a scientific ignoramus and it would take Meenakshi Wadwha hours to bring him to the point of understanding what the real value of meteorites are. She tried to educate this drop out from a GED class as to how man's knowledge of his origins and his future might be developed from her study. His only interest from the start, was how much money were they worth, which ones were the most valuable, which ones did she value the highest, and where could a person get some. Millions for this and hundreds of thousands for that. And even Meenakshi stumbled when she innocently mentioned "hundreds of thousands a gram". Now this will become truthwatch. The first interrogation out of this NPR air head, looking for a sensational expose', was to ask Dr. Wadwha to confess to the existence of the "black market" in meteorites. He just knew it existed and laughed at her embarrassment. It made me almost weep in frustration. What a lovely kettle of fish we have brewed up for ourselves. And those of our community who have done the cooking know who you are and don't say that it isn't so. The talking head on this program didn't make up his embarrassing questions out of thin air. He had heard and read the misinformation that prompted his line of questioning in the world's main stream and cable media and become a true believer. It ain't never gonna be the same. Sincerely, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Peter Scherff >Sent: Mar 30, 2013 3:10 PM >To: 'Meteorite List' >Subject: [meteorite-list] NPR Science Friday > >Hi, > >Here is a great interview with Meenakshi Wadhwa on NPR's Science Friday >3/29/13. What a great spokesperson for meteorites. >http://www.npr.org/2013/03/29/175741697/segment-4?ft=1&f=1007&sc=tw&utm_sour >ce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter > >Thanks, > >Peter > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hammer Stones
The sale of Chelyabinsk hammer stones is hereby suspended until further notice. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Our Friends in the Atacama
Hello List, Article familiarizing a very nice couple who own a museum in the Atacama. They recently extended their hosptitality to world renown artist, Ulricke Arnold, of Dusseldorf, who uses meteoritical material in many of her works. She just completed a working trip to Antartica, Patagonia and the Atacama where she spent several weeks creating new works using earth and extraterrestial pigments. http://webmail.c.earthlink.net/wam/msg.jsp?msgid=39371&folder=INBOX&isSeen=true&x=418789274 Regards, Count Deiro __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite
Hello Shawn. I think you may be oversimplifying the composition of individuals and frags of the same fall. It would be remarkable to me that each portion of a specimen would have the same percentage of metal. I don't think whatever process creates a meteorite involves the surety of an equal distribution of elements throughtout by volumn. Some areas of the meterorite is gonna have more metal and some ain't. That would acount for a specimen having different lithographies like Almahatta Sitta for ezample. I'm operating on short info here, but I think ya'll get the drift. But,to answer one of your queries, all nine of my little Pultusk looking peas of Chebarkul had the same unscientifically measured attraction to a neo magnet. Regards, Count Deiro INCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Shawn Alan >Sent: Mar 16, 2013 9:23 PM >To: Graham Ensor , Count Deiro > >Cc: Peter Scherff , >"meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite > >Hello Graham and Count and the rest of the Listers > >By chance with any of the people on here with multiple samples do you have >photos of them grouped together to compare the bunch. Also, I think someone >said Mike Farmer had posted an image/s of the them grouped together, is there >a link, cause I missed that posting. > >Count/ when you tested the chelyabinsk fragments with a magnet, were they all >consistent on how they stuck to and pulled from the neo magnet for the most >part? >I also have a question for the List about the magnet test. > >I have a small rare earth magnets which they are strong, but not super super >strong. My question is, with some of the historic meteorites I have, can over >time, the strength at which a LL or L or even a H meteorite increase over >time, due to oxidation and or rusting? Why I ask is because is because I have >two meteorite samples that fell in 1803 and both are from France, but two >different falls and are both L6. One sample is is less magnetic than the >other. The one that is stronger has about the same attraction and pull to a >H7 Forest City meteorite. All three meteorites come from top dealers and >collectors, so I know the authenticity is genuine, but it seems some stones >can have anomalys within, when tested with magnets. Has any other listers >noticed this, and if so, why would this happen? I have also heard that some >dealer has devised a full proof test to test stoney meteorites to see if they >are LL L or H or HH, or did I just make up HH :) > >Shawn Alan >IMCA 1633 >ebay store >http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html >http://meteoritefalls.com/ > > >- Original Message - >From: Graham Ensor >To: Count Deiro >Cc: Peter Scherff ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 6:24 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite > >Hi Countstrange that yours do not have any of the brown crust or >other surface features common in most from the fall that were picked >up within days. > >Graham > >On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Count Deiro wrote: >> Peter and List >> >> All nine Chelyabinsk/Chebarkul individuals that I have purchased from three >> different foreign sources resemble themselves. The specimens I have look >> like they could have come out of that pile that Mike Farmer posted. Mostly >> small individuals of less than three grams, black even fusion crust, no >> other coloration, regs, no cracking except for a few fracturing in flight >> with the result that the interior lithography is covered by black fusion >> product. None but a few that I've seen so far show more than the smallest >> impact marks and those display a typical grey chondritic, almost Portland >> cement color. Most landed on snow so have remained pristine. Heavier pieces >> will be recovered when the ice and snow melt. They are strongly attracted to >> a neo magnet and set off a detector easily, so I'm a little curious about >> the initial classification I've heard. Is LL6 S1 W1 and named >> Chebarkuhl..correct? Anyone...Ted? >> >> Send me your email address, Peter and I'll shoot you a photo. >> >> Regards, >> >> Count Deiro >> IMCA 3536 >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: Peter Scherff >>>Sent: Mar 16, 2013 11:49 AM >>>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite >>> >>> I have had an opportunity to see samples of the Chelyabinsk >>>meteorite. I think that these stones are almost as distinctive as the >>>fireball was spectacu
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite
Peter and List All nine Chelyabinsk/Chebarkul individuals that I have purchased from three different foreign sources resemble themselves. The specimens I have look like they could have come out of that pile that Mike Farmer posted. Mostly small individuals of less than three grams, black even fusion crust, no other coloration, regs, no cracking except for a few fracturing in flight with the result that the interior lithography is covered by black fusion product. None but a few that I've seen so far show more than the smallest impact marks and those display a typical grey chondritic, almost Portland cement color. Most landed on snow so have remained pristine. Heavier pieces will be recovered when the ice and snow melt. They are strongly attracted to a neo magnet and set off a detector easily, so I'm a little curious about the initial classification I've heard. Is LL6 S1 W1 and named Chebarkuhl..correct? Anyone...Ted? Send me your email address, Peter and I'll shoot you a photo. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Peter Scherff >Sent: Mar 16, 2013 11:49 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk meteorite > > I have had an opportunity to see samples of the Chelyabinsk >meteorite. I think that these stones are almost as distinctive as the >fireball was spectacular. > Many samples have deep fractures. > Many samples have patches of reddish fusion crust. The reddish crust >may be secondary crust. It formed on broken surfaces or perhaps in the lower >portions of regmaglypts. The reddish crust is smoother than the primary >crust. > Some samples have a brownish "dusty" appearance. Despite being >freshly collected. > Has anyone else noticed these or other interesting characteristics >of this meteorite? >Thanks, >Peter > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff
Now that's funny, Sterling. And you is always so serious :0) Guido -Original Message- >From: "Sterling K. Webb" >Sent: Mar 15, 2013 6:12 PM >To: Count Deiro , Dori Fry >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, JoshuaTreeMuseum > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff > >Every time I hear that word, >I feel... I dunno, kinda heavy. > >Sterling >---- >- Original Message - >From: "Count Deiro" >To: "Dori Fry" ; "Sterling K. Webb" > >Cc: ; "JoshuaTreeMuseum" > >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 7:46 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology >Stuff > > >> The word today students is "Boson" now, back to your books. >> >> Count Deiro >> IMCA 3536 >> __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff
The word today students is "Boson" now, back to your books. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Dori Fry >Sent: Mar 15, 2013 3:05 PM >To: "Sterling K. Webb" >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, JoshuaTreeMuseum > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff > >Sterling, > >Nobody knows what life is, plain and simple. The wisest, most wizened >theologians and the brightest scientists in the latest techno-labs don't have >a clue. Nobody knows what the ghost in the machine is. Or how it arose from >matter. > >What I said was life seems to arisen by chance on our planet, and therefore it >could possibly happen again elsewhere. > >You said: "Is our planet special?" Yes, our planet is incredibly special, it's >the most perfect goldylocksy place ever! > > >Yes, 2500 yrs ago all they had were atoms. Nowadays we have quantum particles >and a stringy, vibrating web of particle waves that can be two places at once. >Matter may not be solid after all. An entirely new parallel universe may be >created ever time we make a decision. There may be near infinite copies of >each and every one of us. Physics is turning into metaphysics. Materialism as >we know it may be fading away. There might be massless forces lacking a Boson >that we know nothing about. (The Force.) Particles may have a simple >consciousness. For all we know meteorites may be intentionally aiming for the >Sahara's soft sands. (Comic relief and steering the thread back the physical >world of meteorites.) > > >Phil Whitmer >Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum > > >- Original Message - >From: Sterling K. Webb >To: JoshuaTreeMuseum , >meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Sent: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff > >Phil, List > >You said: >> Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionism, >> physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and >> intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random >> arrangements of organic molecules. > >That is EXACTLY how science defines life. >All science is materialist, reductionism, and >physicalist. If you believe something else, >then whatever that thing is, it is NOT science. > >Yet: >> I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according >> to the laws of probability... > >So, life can't arise by chance on OUR planet but >it CAN on some other planet. Would you explain >the logic of that to me? Or is our planet special? > >2500 years of having the structure (and eventually >the workings) of matter explained by Leucippus, >Democritus, Epicurus, through Galileo, to Dalton, >Bohr, Heisenberg, Einstein, and hundreds of others, >and you still don't get it. > >I'll give you a 2500-year-old quote that you can >repeat quietly to yourself until you DO get it: >"There are atoms and the void and nothing else." > > >Sterling K. Webb >-- >- Original Message - >From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" >To: >Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 1:50 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology >Stuff > > >> Mark, >> >> I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been >> lifeless. If it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to >> Earth, with all the right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't >> hold my breath while looking for life in the rest of the Solar System. >> Abiogenisis is an extremely rare thing, maybe even a singularity. >> >> Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionist, >> physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and >> intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random >> arrangements of organic molecules. >> >> Trying to understand life by studying the physical properties of the >> building blocks, where they came from, whether or not the early Earth >> had a reducing atmosphere, etc., etc, is like trying to explain a Van >> Gogh by microprobing his paints. >> >> I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according >> to the laws of probablility, if something happened once, no matter how >> weird, bizarre and unexplainable it was, there's a chance it will >> happen again. >> >> >> We'll know more in a million years. >> >> Phil Whi
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff
Dear List, Mark and Phil, Phil has said"It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been lifeless." Really! If it is becoming painfully obvious that Mars has always been lifeless, then what in the hell are we doing spending billions of taxpayer bucks to prove...and notice I said prove...that there was/is life, as we scientifically think of it, on our red neighbor. According to your premise, spending a significant amount of our own, and our partner nation's, science capital constructing and delivering Curiosity to look precisely for confirming evidence...notice I said confirming...is folly. What have you found out that apparently thousands of the world's scientists aren't aware of? The Curiosity mission is not one of discovery...it is one of confirmation... and I think it will only take a few million seconds before we know, as you put it. Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: JoshuaTreeMuseum >Sent: Mar 15, 2013 11:50 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Don't Find Any Exobiology Stuff > >Mark, > >I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been lifeless. If >it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to Earth, with all the >right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't hold my breath while >looking for life in the rest of the Solar System. Abiogenisis is an >extremely rare thing, maybe even a singularity. > >Science cannot define life using current materialist, reductionist, >physicalist methods. They think life, along with consciousness and >intelligence are just chance random byproducts of chance random arrangements >of organic molecules. > >Trying to understand life by studying the physical properties of the >building blocks, where they came from, whether or not the early Earth had a >reducing atmosphere, etc., etc, is like trying to explain a Van Gogh by >microprobing his paints. > >I'm not ruling out life elsewhere in the Universe, because according to the >laws of probablility, if something happened once, no matter how weird, >bizarre and unexplainable it was, there's a chance it will happen again. > > >We'll know more in a million years. > >Phil Whitmer >Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum > > >>>>Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth)> - That's fine if your >>>>looking for Earth style microbes, but until we even formally define life >>>>(and not just some grey area about self reproducing molecules) would we >>>>know 'it' if we saw it? > > > >Seems to me if you chart the historical progress of the hunt for life on >Mars it's getting a bit thin and desperate, in 100 years we have gone from >theories of there being colonies of Martians with canals or forests to a >small chance there may still be a few microbes hanging on deep underground >near the equator, Nothing wrong with looking and we should, but at some >point in the near future we should probably give up and start face to >reality, and think about sending some resources elsewhere - where frankly >the chances are a looking little bit higher, e.g Europa. > >Mark > > > >-Original Message- >From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael >Mulgrew >Sent: 14 March 2013 19:04 >To: Sterling K. Webb; Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff > >Sterling, > >Look deep underground (tough to do from Earth), any life remaining on Mars >will likely be found there. > >Michael in so. Cal. > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff
Stirling, I'm on board with you through the first three paragraphs of your last, but I have to jump ship right from the first sentence of your fourth, cause you is sailing into ever shallowing water. Thereoretical considerations have changed and are changing as we speak about Asimov. We hadn't scratched or sniffed on any other solar system body in his day, and now the present science argues against the ratios of noble gasses he theorized. Further shallowing the water, is the fact that we haven't been able to sniff the whole of the volumne of the universe as yet and we have recently discovered that there is enough evidence of galactic sized concentrations of interstellar gas and other elements floating around that we can't even postulate the percentages of anything.. So you see, Asimov was making a wild ass guess as to the 10,000 to one Oxygen/Chlorine ratio and he never presented one paper to support his hypothesis. As I swim away from this sinking ship, I yell over my shoulder that I never meant to imply that it's evidence of homonids that I expect to show up on Mars, or any other body in the solar system, but I'm "giving odds" that the Sport Utility Vehicle we just drove up there will quite quickly show us that the red planet did have the right ratios to once support "life" in the scientific sense...and perhaps still does. Best personal regards, Guido -Original Message- >From: "Sterling K. Webb" >Sent: Mar 14, 2013 12:40 AM >To: Count Deiro , Richard Montgomery >, Michael Mulgrew , Mark Ford >, Meteorite List > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff > >Count, > >Just as there is nothing in Isaac Newton's little book on gravity >that needs correcting despite its four-century age, the chemistry >and physics of atmospheres hasn't changed in the half century >since this other Isaac outlined the basics. The basics remain >the basics. > >It's worth noting that at the time this was written very little >was known about the actual atmospheres of the planets (besides >the Earth). We had just learned that Jupiter had a lot of hydrogen, >but the others were all a mystery. > >On purely theoretical grounds, Asimov suggests Mars' atmosphere >would turn out to be very rich in CO2 (unless there was plant life), >and indeed it's almost all CO2. But he wasn't writing about known >planetary atmosphere, he was writing about theoretical atmospheres, >their likelihood based on elemental abundances, and the possible >life energy cycles that could take place in them. > >Those theoretical considerations haven't changed a bit. They're >not going to, since they are from basic chemistry and the known >cosmic abundances of the elements. Since there's 10,000 times >more oxygen in the universe than there is chlorine, this makes >the hydrogen-chlorine energy cycle of life much less likely to >occur in the universe than the hydrogen-oxygen cycle we critters >use. > >Count, I thought you lived in a place where they understood >what "the odds" mean... > >Read the article. There's nothing out-of-date nor inaccurate in it. > > >Sterling K. Webb >- >- Original Message - >From: "Count Deiro" >To: "Sterling K. Webb" ; "Richard >Montgomery" ; "Michael Mulgrew" >; "Mark Ford" ; >"Meteorite List" >Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:30 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff > > >> Jeez! Sterling, >> >> I would hope that those who have read the suggested assignment in your >> post would read something a bit more current than my hero Isaac's half >> a century old treatise. They might as well read Genesis. >> >> Best personal regards, >> >> Count Deiro >> IMCA 3536 >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: "Sterling K. Webb" >>>Sent: Mar 13, 2013 9:46 PM >>>To: Richard Montgomery , Michael Mulgrew >>>, Mark Ford , >>>Meteorite List >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff >>> >>>Guys, List, >>> >>>What life needs is a source of energy that can be >>>stored and utilized when needed. Without these >>>energy exchanges there is no life. That's why you >>>have to eat breakfast. >>> >>>This energetic system requires elements that are >>>cosmically abundant, on planets large and cool >>>enough to retain a gaseous reservoir of a reactive >>>element (called an atmosp
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff
Jeez! Sterling, I would hope that those who have read the suggested assignment in your post would read something a bit more current than my hero Issac's half a century old treastise. They might as well read Genesis. Best personal regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: "Sterling K. Webb" >Sent: Mar 13, 2013 9:46 PM >To: Richard Montgomery , Michael Mulgrew >, Mark Ford , >Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff > >Guys, List, > >What life needs is a source of energy that can be >stored and utilized when needed. Without these >energy exchanges there is no life. That's why you >have to eat breakfast. > >This energetic system requires elements that are >cosmically abundant, on planets large and cool >enough to retain a gaseous reservoir of a reactive >element (called an atmosphere) and a fluid reservoir >of a working solvent to facilitate and participate in >those reactions (called an ocean). > >There are many possible systems of energy >exchange, but their LIKELIHOOD depends on >the cosmic abundance of the elements involved >and the likelihood of their entering into >combinations with other common elements. > >If you grab a fistful of solar nebula you have >hydrogen, helium, and as impurities, oxygen and >nitrogen, BUT the oxygen and nitrogen combine >easily with hydrogen, so you end up with an >atmosphere of hydrogen, helium, with ammonia >and methane as impurities. > >We represent a CHON life system, but fluorine is >more energetic than oxygen and yields more bang >for the buck. So, why don't we have a CHFN life >system? The reason is that fluorine grabs on so >tight it can't be split off again with the energies >available at a planetary surface. Ammonia is a >better solvent than water but its liquid range of >fluid temperatures is so narrow that it would make >a lousy ocean. > >The reactive elements for life are all right there on the >periodic chart in a stack: fluorine, oxygen, chlorine, >bromine, iodine. At first blush, life could be based on >any of them, but some are more unlikely than others. > >Since I don't want to write twenty pages of chemistry, >I suggest you go the link given below; >http://www.bestebooksworld.com/showeBook.asp?link=24235 >and download the PDF of this little 1957 book, "Only >A Trillion." Read Chapter Six, "Planets Have An Air About >Them," by Isaac Asimov who, being both a chemist by >trade and a better writer than I, can explain the whole >range of possible life systems and how they might work >in a marvelous fashion. > > >Sterling K. Webb >-- >- Original Message - >From: "Richard Montgomery" >To: "Michael Mulgrew" ; "Mark Ford" >; "Meteorite List" > >Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 7:16 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Stuff > > >> Michael M and List, >> >> First, apologies to be so Sci-Fi...not the intention. If I had a >> better rocker I'd probably be knocked off of it for remotely, even >> slightltly suggesting this, especially to this credentialed List; best >> a slap upside-the-head to get me back to reality... >> >> Meanwhile, here goesit falls into the X-curiousity factor of all >> equations: how can we rule out everything that hasn't already been >> ruled in? To wit: given what we know about >> Life-to-develop-needs-100%-water, what don't we know? Is our >> silly-human insignificance bound only by what we currently know and >> entertain as possibilities? >> >> This is NOT an endoresment for rice-paddy science; nor a support for >> the previous thread. I've just always wondered why we assume that all >> elemental progressions are known. >> >> Big stew out there! I really would like to hear from you >> heavy-weights...it'll rest better when I read. >> >> Sincerely, and good thing I'm not a B-movie producer, >> Richard Montgomery >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Michael Mulgrew" >> To: "Mark Ford" ; "Meteorite List" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 9:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient >> FossilsinFireballFragments >> >> >>> Considering our current understanding of what it takes for life to >>> develop, i.e. water is 100% absolutely necessary, I would say the >>> recent evidence of Mars' wet past increases the chances of >
Re: [meteorite-list] Tokyo magnetic dust after rain 14MAR2013
Hi Dirk,
Of course, have it classified. Think of the name possibilities!
Regards,
Guido
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>Subject: [meteorite-list] Tokyo magnetic dust after rain 14MAR2013
>
>Dear List,
> We had rain 13/14 MAR 2013. On the early morning of 14th I went outside and
> noticed an unusually large amount of black/brown magnetic dust in the rain
> pools on concrete and have collected it. I don{t know if it is volcanic
> related, industrial or run-of the-mill soil; but strange that this was
> accumulated after over 12 hours of heavy rain and within a 1-2 hour period
> just minutes ago. Samples will be studied soon. It would be very interesting
> if this is not terrestrial.
>
>Any thoughts?
>
>Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
Hi List, Mark has said "...I can't understand this fad for claims..." that... "we have found the building blocks of life" There is no "fad" to reveal, however so unscientifically and hysterically by some in academia and the media, that we have discovered copious amounts of water on planets and moons. It is a scientific discovery that is found exciting to some, and disconcerting and threatening to others, as the evidence piles up that what was once a theory is now, because of Curiosity's right out of the box, successful, directed search, a scientific fact. Where once one could only postulate that the "building blocks of life" might be on Mars because of what we "discovered" in Nakhla, AH84001 and recent NWAs, we now we know is a fact. And that information may not be remarkable to an educated you, even though you were clueless at one point in your studies, but to the masses it is big medicine and conjures up in billions of our fellow homonids the fear that their belief systems are losing the battle to scientific discovery. And the attitude adjustment ain't going to be pretty..especialy with meteorite worshipping Islam. Incidentally, I think you've got the chicken before the egg on what came first on this orb, "building blocks" or "life". And no, you can't say that "every shred of evidence we have implies life as we know it started right here" without defining what you consider "life". Be patient just a few more sols, my friend. We are about to witness discoveries that are going to "shred" much of civilization's core religious theologies and of a much lessor importance, resolve our difference in opinion. Namaste, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Mark Ford >Sent: Mar 13, 2013 2:41 AM >To: "Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >inFireballFragments > > >Yep, and I can't understand this fad for claims that go along the lines of 'we >have found the building blocks of life' , even yesterday the BBC announced >that NASA had found 'building blocks of life' on Mars in the latest Rover >sample, it turned out the BBC meant Hydrogen and Oxygen! - What >Hydrogen/Oxygen in space? Wow there's a revelation - NOT! > >And Amino acids are not 'the building blocks of life' either, they are nothing >like, they form quite naturally without ANY life being present. > >I never seen any evidence that life needed to seeded from outside the Earth, >every shred of evidence we have implies life as we know it started right here. >We could very well be the only life in the universe for all we know (although >I find that statistically unlikely). > >It's like the search for water on Mars, all very interesting but I bet there >are millions of planets in the universe with liquid water, and I'd bet most of >them don't have any life on.. > >Mark > > > > > > >-Original Message- >From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic >Stone & Ironworks >Sent: 12 March 2013 19:40 >To: Count Deiro >Cc: Mike Groetz; Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >inFireballFragments > >Hi Count, Phil, List, and Innocent Bystanders, > >I have to chime in a bit here on a more serious note. > >I think there is merit to the idea of panspermia. I am not convinced that >panspermia explains any of the lifeforms or living processes here on Earth, >but that does not mean the idea is baseless. > >We have been bombarded for billions of years by objects that contain water and >the precursors of organic compounds, amino acids, etc. >Injecting this material into the crucible of primitive Earth could result in >changes to the evolution of life that would not have occurred without the >addition of those extraterrestrial ingredients. >We may owe our existence to comets and meteorites. Or maybe not. > >But, the most fervent proponents of the panspermia theory are throwing caution >and scientific method to the wind. They look for evidence to support their >views and they find it. They selectively ignore valid questions about their >methodology and the integrity of their evidence. > >Wickramasinghe is not doing the panspermia theory any favors. Whether or not >there is any validity to the theory is trumped by his questionable methods. >Also, publishing anything at all in the so-called "Journal of Cosmology" is >not the way to gain any respect or consideration. > >A lot of people wan
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
Well put Mike. Guido -Original Message- >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Sent: Mar 12, 2013 3:39 PM >To: Count Deiro >Cc: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum , Mike Groetz >, Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >inFireballFragments > >Hi Count, Phil, List, and Innocent Bystanders, > >I have to chime in a bit here on a more serious note. > >I think there is merit to the idea of panspermia. I am not convinced >that panspermia explains any of the lifeforms or living processes here >on Earth, but that does not mean the idea is baseless. > >We have been bombarded for billions of years by objects that contain >water and the precursors of organic compounds, amino acids, etc. >Injecting this material into the crucible of primitive Earth could >result in changes to the evolution of life that would not have >occurred without the addition of those extraterrestrial ingredients. >We may owe our existence to comets and meteorites. Or maybe not. > >But, the most fervent proponents of the panspermia theory are throwing >caution and scientific method to the wind. They look for evidence to >support their views and they find it. They selectively ignore valid >questions about their methodology and the integrity of their evidence. > >Wickramasinghe is not doing the panspermia theory any favors. Whether >or not there is any validity to the theory is trumped by his >questionable methods. Also, publishing anything at all in the >so-called "Journal of Cosmology" is not the way to gain any respect or >consideration. > >A lot of people want to believe that panspermia played a role in the >development of life on Earth and elsewhere - it's an enticing and >romantic idea that opens many doors of possibility for the frequency >of life in the cosmos. But Wickramasinghe is not convincing me of >this. I bet the credible proponents of the theory wish they could >squelch this guy, because he is adding a lot noise to the panspermia >signal. > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >PS - I do happen to believe in "panspermia", but please don't put me >in Wickramasinghe's camp. ;) > >-- >- >Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >- > > > >On 3/12/13, Count Deiro wrote: >> Hi Phil, >> >> I haven't read Wickramasinge. I do hold stock in panspermic theory. In >> particular, the findings of water, amino acids, etc. in the meteorites I >> mentioned. The NASA/JPL paper "New Evidence of Life Forms in Martian >> Meteorites" descibing and illustrating what seven of their best have >> concluded are life forms in Nakhla and AH84001 was particularly convincing >> to me. >> >> That SUV sized lab that we spent a few hundred million to put on Mars, was >> sent there for the admitted purpose of solving our disagreement for us. You >> may have watched and listened to the first report of Curiosity's findings >> today streamed on the web. The Nasa team was about to pee their pants having >> the opportunity to confirm that in the first drilling of a rock on Mars, >> they have proven an environment existed that would have beeen amiable to >> life. >> >> It will get better >> >> Regards, >> >> Guido >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 9:42 AM >>>To: Count Deiro , Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>> >>>Cc: Mike Groetz , Meteorite List >>> >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >>> inFireballFragments >>> >>>Hello Count, >>> >>>All that stuff has been debunked long ago, no need to beat dead horses. >>>That is unless some new evidence has been discovered. If you have new >>>evidence, I'd love to hear it. >>> >>>Seriously, you think the work of Chandra Wickramasinghe is worthy of >>>discussion? Please proceed. >>> >>>Phil Whitmer >>>Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>> >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Count Deiro" >>>To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ; "Joshua Tree >>>Earth & Space Museum" >>>Cc: "Mike Groetz"
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
Your right. And that is the bar set for the validity of all science. Question it. Prove it. Best personal regards, Guido -Original Message- >From: h...@meteorhall.com >Sent: Mar 12, 2013 3:00 PM >To: Count Deiro >Cc: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum , Galactic Stone >& Ironworks , Mike Groetz , >Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >inFireballFragments > >Guido, you are correct in that one day humans will find life forms from >outside of our planet. It is only this person's science and methodology >that is in question. >Fred H > >> Hi Phil, >> >> I haven't read Wickramasinge. I do hold stock in panspermic theory. In >> particular, the findings of water, amino acids, etc. in the meteorites I >> mentioned. The NASA/JPL paper "New Evidence of Life Forms in Martian >> Meteorites" descibing and illustrating what seven of their best have >> concluded are life forms in Nakhla and AH84001 was particularly convincing >> to me. >> >> That SUV sized lab that we spent a few hundred million to put on Mars, was >> sent there for the admitted purpose of solving our disagreement for us. >> You may have watched and listened to the first report of Curiosity's >> findings today streamed on the web. The Nasa team was about to pee their >> pants having the opportunity to confirm that in the first drilling of a >> rock on Mars, they have proven an environment existed that would have >> beeen amiable to life. >> >> It will get better >> >> Regards, >> >> Guido >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 9:42 AM >>>To: Count Deiro , Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>> >>>Cc: Mike Groetz , Meteorite List >>> >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >>> inFireballFragments >>> >>>Hello Count, >>> >>>All that stuff has been debunked long ago, no need to beat dead horses. >>>That is unless some new evidence has been discovered. If you have new >>>evidence, I'd love to hear it. >>> >>>Seriously, you think the work of Chandra Wickramasinghe is worthy of >>>discussion? Please proceed. >>> >>>Phil Whitmer >>>Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>> >>>- Original Message - >>>From: "Count Deiro" >>>To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ; "Joshua Tree >>>Earth & Space Museum" >>>Cc: "Mike Groetz" ; "Meteorite List" >>> >>>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:32 PM >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >>>inFireballFragments >>> >>> >>>> Hi List, >>>> >>>> Meteorite Mike has said ".. are hereby suspended..." and Phil wrote >>>> "..too >>>> dumb to discuss.." >>>> >>>> Darn. I was hoping to sell my Nakhla, Murchison and Allende specimens, >>>> to >>>> mention just a few. >>>> >>>> Wait till all those guys and gals, with the three letters after their >>>> names, engaged in writing and publishing papers supporting the presence >>>> of >>>> fossilized nano-bacteria, biomorphs and elements that postulate >>>> pansermia, >>>> find out that their work "is too dumb to discuss"! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Count Deiro >>>> IMCA 3536 >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>>>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>>>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 7:59 AM >>>>>To: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>>>>Cc: Mike Groetz , Meteorite List >>>>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in >>>>>FireballFragments >>>>> >>>>>All ancient life-bearing meteorites, diatom-bearing meteorites, >>>>>red-rain particles, and panspermia chondrites are hereby suspended >>>>>until further notice >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>- >>>>>Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>>>>Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >>>>>Twitter - http://twitter.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils inFireballFragments
Hi Phil, I haven't read Wickramasinge. I do hold stock in panspermic theory. In particular, the findings of water, amino acids, etc. in the meteorites I mentioned. The NASA/JPL paper "New Evidence of Life Forms in Martian Meteorites" descibing and illustrating what seven of their best have concluded are life forms in Nakhla and AH84001 was particularly convincing to me. That SUV sized lab that we spent a few hundred million to put on Mars, was sent there for the admitted purpose of solving our disagreement for us. You may have watched and listened to the first report of Curiosity's findings today streamed on the web. The Nasa team was about to pee their pants having the opportunity to confirm that in the first drilling of a rock on Mars, they have proven an environment existed that would have beeen amiable to life. It will get better Regards, Guido -Original Message- >From: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >Sent: Mar 12, 2013 9:42 AM >To: Count Deiro , Galactic Stone & Ironworks > >Cc: Mike Groetz , Meteorite List > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >inFireballFragments > >Hello Count, > >All that stuff has been debunked long ago, no need to beat dead horses. >That is unless some new evidence has been discovered. If you have new >evidence, I'd love to hear it. > >Seriously, you think the work of Chandra Wickramasinghe is worthy of >discussion? Please proceed. > >Phil Whitmer >Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum > >- Original Message - >From: "Count Deiro" >To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ; "Joshua Tree >Earth & Space Museum" >Cc: "Mike Groetz" ; "Meteorite List" > >Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 12:32 PM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils >inFireballFragments > > >> Hi List, >> >> Meteorite Mike has said ".. are hereby suspended..." and Phil wrote "..too >> dumb to discuss.." >> >> Darn. I was hoping to sell my Nakhla, Murchison and Allende specimens, to >> mention just a few. >> >> Wait till all those guys and gals, with the three letters after their >> names, engaged in writing and publishing papers supporting the presence of >> fossilized nano-bacteria, biomorphs and elements that postulate pansermia, >> find out that their work "is too dumb to discuss"! >> >> Regards, >> >> Count Deiro >> IMCA 3536 >> >> -Original Message- >>>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>>Sent: Mar 12, 2013 7:59 AM >>>To: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>>Cc: Mike Groetz , Meteorite List >>> >>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in >>>FireballFragments >>> >>>All ancient life-bearing meteorites, diatom-bearing meteorites, >>>red-rain particles, and panspermia chondrites are hereby suspended >>>until further notice >>> >>> >>>-- >>>- >>>Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >>>Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >>>Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >>>Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >>>RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >>>- >>> >>> >>>On 3/12/13, Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>>wrote: >>>> Too dumb to even discuss! >>>> >>>> Phil Whitmer >>>> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >>>> >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> From: "Mike Groetz" >>>> To: "Meteorite List" >>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:17 AM >>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in >>>> FireballFragments >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/512381/astrobiologists-find-ancient-fossils-in-fireball-fragments/ >>>>> __ >>>>> >>>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>> __ >>>> >>>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>>> >>>__ >>> >>>Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in FireballFragments
Hi List, Meteorite Mike has said ".. are hereby suspended..." and Phil wrote "..too dumb to discuss.." Darn. I was hoping to sell my Nakhla, Murchison and Allende specimens, to mention just a few. Wait till all those guys and gals, with the three letters after their names, engaged in writing and publishing papers supporting the presence of fossilized nano-bacteria, biomorphs and elements that postulate pansermia, find out that their work "is too dumb to discuss"! Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >Sent: Mar 12, 2013 7:59 AM >To: Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >Cc: Mike Groetz , Meteorite List > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in >FireballFragments > >All ancient life-bearing meteorites, diatom-bearing meteorites, >red-rain particles, and panspermia chondrites are hereby suspended >until further notice > > >-- >- >Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com >Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone >Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone >RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 >- > > >On 3/12/13, Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum wrote: >> Too dumb to even discuss! >> >> Phil Whitmer >> Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Mike Groetz" >> To: "Meteorite List" >> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:17 AM >> Subject: [meteorite-list] Astrobiologists Find Ancient Fossils in >> FireballFragments >> >> >>> http://www.technologyreview.com/view/512381/astrobiologists-find-ancient-fossils-in-fireball-fragments/ >>> __ >>> >>> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If this can happen so can an asteroid hitting the Earth
Whoa Don, You said, "There are literally hundreds of thousands of these asteroids that are about 1/2 mile wide and smaller that can take out a large city at any time." As of this posting, there aren't ANY objects in the observable solar system near that size, or larger, that we haven't been observing for a long time and predicted that their chances of impacting the earth is next to nil. In fact, as I recall being posted on the sites blogging the many programs watching out for us, that there are only a dozen, or so, objects that are of a size that could be considered capable of massive destruction. Most are located in the belt of debris between Jupiter and Mars. We have named the bulk of them and have visited several. Chelyabinsk and Caranacas weren't big enough to trigger a warning and neither was visible approaching because of sun angle. An argument could be made that it would have better if the dark flight remnants of Chelyabinsk had dropped in the city proper. Less would have been injured do to overpressure. From what we can see the dark flight fall of the remaining bits and pieces didn't damage anything anyway. Caranacas dropped in a corral in the middle of a village amongst animals and did little in personal, or property, damage. Both the Russian and Peruvian falls were meteoroids of substantual tonnage and released hundreds of multiples of the energy of our favorite comparison object...the nuke at Hiroshima..but did nothing remarkable. Sikhote Alin and the object that caused the airburst at Tunguska would with todays in place technology been seen decades before entering the atmosphere. Yes, it will happen, I agreebut not as a terrifying, out of the blue, crap your drawers event that your post implies. Your scaring me and the kids with this "the sky is falling" stuff :0) Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Don Merchant >Sent: Mar 10, 2013 3:19 PM >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Cc: Don Merchant >Subject: [meteorite-list] If this can happen so can an asteroid hitting the >Earth > >Hi List. Just wanted to post a thought. Here is a link of which a piece of >Chinese space debris from 2007 hit a Russian satellite causing it to be >knocked out of orbit and direction thus rendering it useless. The point >being with all that space and distance between objects, who would of thought >that possible. Trust me not NASA, anything can happen at anytime. When NASA >says that an approaching asteroid will miss the Earth...maybe, but what >happens if a smaller object that NASA does not or can not see hits that >asteroid the next day or next hour and changes its orbit, now its heading >straight at Earth. Did NASA know about the Chelyabinsk asteroid...no they >did not until it hit. What about the Carancas meteorite event in Peru >2007...no they did not. There are literally hundreds of thousands of these >asteroids that are about 1/2 mile wide and smaller that can take out a large >city at any time. I have noticed over the past 2 years an incredible >increase of observed bolides, daylight fireballs, and actual meteorite hits >on Earth. This increase is being caused by something that has affected the >Solar System. The planets besides Earth, such as Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, >Neptune are showing increased changes never before seen. There are also an >increase in more comets entering our solar system as well. AnywaysI >believe that a Tunguska event x2 is very well in our near future, maybe even >this year, and NASA will have totally missed itthat of course until it >happens! >Here is the Link: >http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/09/tech/satellite-hit/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 > >Sincerely >Don Merchant >Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders >www.ctreasurescwonders.com >IMCA #0960 > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the FUTURE?
Hey Steve! Man, there must be a helluva rip in the ozone layer along the entry path of that Chelyabinsk fall in the Urals. It's been a couple of weeks, so what do you think we..uh, rather they... should be watching out for? I don't know what your smoking, but I'd like to get some. Contact me off List. Guido -Original Message- >From: Steve Dunklee >Sent: Mar 9, 2013 11:58 PM >To: Shawn Alan , h...@meteorhall.com >Cc: Meteorite Central >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the >FUTURE? > >I believe the site forgot to mention the primary value of astroids will be as >material we do not have to launch into space. The metals and anything with >water will have a great value for use in space construction, but the >achondrites that lack metal with have little value in space construction. The >cost of bringing anything back to earth from space will preserve metorite >prices, with the possible exception of achondrites ans lunars. Bringing >samples back from mars would in most cases increase the price as we would have >to build a facility to launch vehicals from mars which is why most reasonable >proposed mars missions are a one way trip with no return. A space elevator >would would lower costs some but the biggest Problem of sending stuff into >space is the large hole it makes in the ozone layer every time we send up a >rocket. Launches of the shuttle over the US in the 1980s caused disruptions in >the weather which included a rare tornado in december in > michigan. and most Hurricanes have been exactly two weeks after a major > launch of a rocket over the area of the hurricane. >Cheers >Steve Dunklee > >--- On Sun, 3/10/13, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: > >> From: h...@meteorhall.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much will your meteorites be worth in the >> FUTURE? >> To: "Shawn Alan" >> Cc: "Meteorite Central" >> Date: Sunday, March 10, 2013, 6:53 AM >> Looking into the crystal pallasite >> ball, in the year 2025, I see >> achondrite fragments at $1.00 per gram! However, they will >> lack the >> beautiful fusion crust of our meteorites. Besides, due to >> the UN Universal >> Museum Convention of 2035, all of our meteorites will be >> confiscated as >> historical and/or cultural artifacts...JUST KIDDING! Just >> fooling. That >> doesn't happen until 2075. :-) >> Fred >> >> >> Hello Listers >> > >> > Ever wonder how much an asteroid would yield in profit, >> gold, platinum, >> > o2, hydrogen? Well a website called http://www.asterank.com/ has done >> > that. >> > >> > There are over 600,000 asteroids and counting that are >> listed on the >> > website, where one can categorize in value, profit, or >> accessibility. >> > >> > Germania is value at $100 trillion with estimated value >> return to be >> > around $97 trillion. However, Germania is located 3.3 >> AU, so the distance >> > >> > can be a factor, but once technology improves, >> asteroids will have endless >> > supplies of natural resources. Lastly, >> > >> > There has been talks that by 2014, there will be >> asteroid hunting space >> > crafts in orbit. >> > >> > >> > Now in 20 to 30 year, will meteors coming into Earths >> atmosphere and >> > impacting with the Earth be the thing of the past? >> > >> > What will that do to meteorite collecting and will >> prices increase or >> > decrease because the average joe can go to the >> > >> > local Walmart and pick up a rock kit with over 5 pounds >> of rock from >> > space? Or will it make the meteorite a rare >> > >> > commodified object, more or less a reminder of what >> once was a common >> > occurrence but now is story left told in >> > >> > the history books, and meteorites will be view a relics >> and controlled >> > artifact? Only time will tell :) >> > >> > But til then, check out http://www.asterank.com/ and plan your next >> > expedition to an asteroid :) >> > >> > >> > Shawn Alan >> > IMCA 1633 >> > ebay store >> > http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html >> > http://meteoritefalls.com/ >> > __ >> > >> > Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > >> >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http:
Re: [meteorite-list] Availability of Cheylabinsk/Chebarkul from sellers on this list?
Hi Bob and List, I've ordered eight Cheylabinsk individuals from three eBay sellers over a week ago. Got payment confirmation and thanks from one seller. No meteorite as of today and I have yet to receive anything from the others. A collector on IMCA has received one meteorite that was offered on eBay and sent me a photo. Nice fresh fusion crust and regs on the small individual. The small frags and individuals will have been picked up by now caused they plopped on top of the frozen snow. I don't think we will see the over 100gr. stuff being offered till the snow melts. So, How reliable is Russian Federation post..I don't know. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Bob King >Sent: Mar 9, 2013 11:08 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Availability of Cheylabinsk/Chebarkul from sellers >on this list? > >Hi everyone, >Now that it's been a few weeks since the fall of the Russian >meteorite, I was curious when we might see pieces of the new fall >offered on the metlist. Are you guys waiting for your shipments to >arrive from Russia? And speaking of that, how reliable is the Russian >post? >Thanks! >Bob >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Comets and Magellanic Clouds as viewed this AM from the Atacama in Peru.
Hello Listees, These were sent by my friend the artist, Ulricke Arnold, who is painting with meteor dust in the Atacama Desert. She has been befriended by the operators of the observatory there. http://sguisard.astrosurf.com/Pagim/Paranal-Lemmon-PANSTARRS.html I forwarded these to the List as the comets are not viewable in much of the world. Regards to all, Count DeirIMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00
Hello Matthias and List, What a beautiful aspect. The classic and historical Germanic architecture, the lush landscaping, the plethora of wildlife...so soothing and inspiring to the spirit. Thank you, my friend, for sharing with us, but I wouldn't want to be in the far end of a strewn field created by this structure! Best regards to all, Guido -Original Message- >From: Matthias Bärmann >Sent: Mar 6, 2013 11:17 AM >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00 > > >Very sorry to post the following OT - I tried to email Count Guido but my >message did not get through. Well, it is not completely OT because there was >a discussion yesterday on the list about how the asteroid could have looked >like, in comparison, when entering earth's atmosphere. In this context I >mentioned it could have easily looked like the old building I am living in, >in size. Count Deiro answered friendly, and well, here we go: > >Thanks a lot, Guido. Hope that finds you well. > >O yes, having been found by the storks I do really feel honored. It's always >a pleasure watching them circling around the building and listening in warm >summer nights to their very special beak-percussion. > >They are with us since we live here. In the first years they disappeared in >October for several months, perhaps to Spain, perhaps to Africa. But during >the last years they prefer to stay here also over the winter, visiting from >time to time the stork's station in Salem, Lake of Constance >http://www.stoerche-aulendorf.de/4images/data/media/3/Storchenstation_beim_Affenberg.JPG > >which is not far from us. > >My best as ever - >Matthias > >- Original Message - >From: "Rob Lenssen" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 7:16 PM >Subject: [meteorite-list] finally: L3.00 > > >> Finally an L3.00: >> >> http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=57162 >> >> Would love to see a photo! >> >> Rob Lenssen >> www.AsteroidChippings.com >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented?
Hi Don, Here is one vote for orientated. It's a lovely specimen. Hard to ignore those flow lines. Regards, Count deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Don Merchant >Sent: Mar 4, 2013 3:20 PM >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Cc: Don Merchant >Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this oriented? > >Hi List. Can someone look at this picture and tell me if it is oriented? It >is a 6.58 gm. whole stone of Millbillillie with 100% crust with flow lines. >Top of meteorite is up, and conical tapering to a wide bottom. I bought this >years ago and believe the Dealer said it was oriented but have had not much >success making contact with the Dealer. I could take it out of the case and >take more pics but I am being lazy (shame on me) thus using a picture I >already had taken. Thank Guys/Gals. >Here is the Link: >http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/millbillillie.html?r=20130304181254 > >Sincerely >Don Merchant >Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders >www.ctreasurescwonders.com >IMCA #0960 > >__ > >Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
