[meteorite-list] Tucson Show 2009?

[Dave Schultz]

Greetings List. Sorry to rehash something, but what weekend is going to be The 
Weekend for the Tucson Show in 2009? Need to make arrangements and off days at 
work. Thanks in advance!!! Dave


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2008!

[Dave Schultz]

  Sadly I won`t be able to make it to Ensisheim this year. :( I will surely 
miss all of the great times and experiences, but especially all of our friendly 
European collectors and dealers who have always welcomed us with open arms. 
Yes... especially my good friend Norbert Classen and his wife, who have 
graciously put up with me these last two years for a couple of days at his 
house. The cuckoo clock is still cu-ckooing! Have a good time everyone! Looking 
forward to many pics and stories!

  Dave 





 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2008!
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 12:04 PM
 Hi everyone, I will be attending the fantastic Ensisheim
 meteorite show again this year, and the St Marie aux Mines
 mineral show the week after. 
 I look forward to a couple of weeks in France and Germany,
 to escape the heat of Tucson! I will be displaying
 meteorites with Moritz Karl in Ensisheim, and perhaps some
 things with Hans in St Marie. 
 I will not bring much, as I am not all that excited to work
 hard there, I prefer the eating and drinking part in France
 more than the working part:)
 If there is anything specific that all of my European
 customers want me to bring, please let me know now so that
 I can prepare the material.
 See you all in France in two weeks. Those of you who have
 never attended the Ensisheim show, you are really missing
 out, if at all possible it is a fine trip to make, and not
 all that expensive in that part of France. With Germany
 only about a 10 minute drive and Switzerland about 40
 minutes, there are endless things to do there.
 Michael Farmer
 
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[meteorite-list] Wayner44!!!

[Dave Schultz]

  Just wanted to thank this Wayner44 for using my
exact wording in the first part of his eBay auction
for his description of the book that he`s selling of
A Comet Strikes the Earth by H. H. Nininger. Geez...
how hard is it to at least change some of the wording
in the description! I guess someone who is just a bit
lazy!

   Dave 


  

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[meteorite-list] Wayner44

[Dave Schultz]

  Just wanted to give a big shout out to Wayner44 for
using my exact wording in the first half of his
description of the book that he is selling on eBay of
A Comet Strikes the Earth by H. H. Nininger. Geez...
how hard is it to at least change some of the wording
around without plagiarizing someone else`s words?
Guess some people are just too damn lazy!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply to this subject

[Dave Schultz]

  Hi Frank and all. This is a bit off the speck
subject a bit, but still applies to the theory of
breaking up specimens, that Frank and including myself
really hate to see. Recently I sold a beautiful full
slice of a meteorite on eBay, hoping to raise a little
money for Tucson, and also so that some collector
would enjoy it as much as I did, only to find out
later, that the winning bidder broke up that beautiful
slice into smaller pieces and was selling those on
eBay. This really bummed myself out and also another
collector who was thinking of bidding on it. I know
that this meant that more collectors could have a
piece of this meteorite, but some how just didn`t sit
right with me, and had I known that that was going to
happen, I wouldn`t have listed it at all, but I guess
that is the chance we all take when selling personal
collection pieces. 
  Dave 



 Hi Mike,
 
 I don't disagree with you and I'd trust both Blaine
 and you 100% to be selling what you say you are, but
 unfortunately, not all dealers are the same. The
 following is from another dealers site talking about
 a
 0.62g, 0.60g and 1.12g thin part slices of Barbotan.
 he wrote:
 
 NOTE: these are the prices ONLY until one sells.
 Then
 there will be a 50% increase. When the
 second one sells, the third will be broken up and
 the
 price more than trippled. These are literally 
 irrepalcable. March2, 2008 a piece of this sold on
 eBay for over $5,000.00 per gram. These are 
 listed at bargain prices:
 
 I have no question that these aren't Barbotan, just
 hate seeing historical meteorites ending up as
 specks.
  It is kind of ironic that he should say These
 [pieces] are literally irreplacable and then
 proceed
 to pull out a hammer!
 
 I think the biggest potential for fraud would be for
 some non dealer on ebay selling (HYPOTHECIAL CASE): 
 Have to sell my 20mg fragment of Mokoia, purchased a
 year ago from Mike Farmer, comes with his collection
 card.  
 
 All the best,
 Frank
 
 
 --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Guys, there is no problem here. You know, as a
  dealer
  who cuts and messes with thousands of meteorites
 per
  year, you end up with plenty of crumbs, dust, and
  specks. Please don't think that we are smashing
  these
  things with hammers in order to maximize profit!
  Specks are a byproduct of making a large piece
 into
  multiple pieces, not taking a .2 gram meteorite
  piece
  and turning it into 20 pieces, at least not on
  purpose.
  As far as buying these specks on ebay, you must
  indeed
  trust your dealer, someone like Blaine or myself,
 we
  make enough money not to need to waste time
 scamming
  people. If I say it is Mokoia, you can rest
 assured
  that it is not Allende fragments. If you buy from
  just
  anyone on ebay just because they say they have
  something, well, buyer beware.
  Michael Farmer
  --- Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
   Hi Frank,
   
   I could not agree more with you.  Every word,
  every
   line.
   
   Remember when Blaine Reed brought out DAG 262? 
   There
   were a few who looked at the specks and balked
 but
   because it
   was Blaine who was selling it, the pedigree was
   beyond reproach.
   
   This is not meant to be an indictment of Blaine.
 
   Quite the opposite.
   
   I understand the economic pressures of ever
  smaller
   pieces of
   meteorite selling for ever higher prices, but it
   seems the price-to-weight
   graph is almost U shaped, with more and more
   material ending up
   as smaller and smaller fragments.
   
   Where is Steve Schoner?  I'd always liked to
 hear
   his comments on this.  :-)
   
   -Walter Branch
   (From sunny and beautiful Savannah.  What the
 heck
   am I doing
   indoors.  Oh, that's right - I have a job!)
  
 

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   - Original Message - 
   From: Frank Cressy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: Meteorite List
   meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
   Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:41 PM
   Subject: [meteorite-list] Speck Issues - Reply
 to
   this subject
   
   
Hello all,
   
This is a resend of a previous post.  I meant
 to
change the subject line but in my fever
 muddled
   state
I forgot.  Sorry about that.  Please reply to
  this
post to avoid confusion.
   
Frank
   
--- Frank Cressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
Hi Michael and all,
   
The Barboton you mentioned was a 9mg speck
 and
   went
for $46.67.  Many people shopping ebay don't
   blink
until the price reaches a $100 or more. So
price/gram
on a speck means nothing.  The problem I see
 is
   that
this and other hammer specks and rare and
   historical
specks can never be verified.  Barbotan is an
  H5
veined chondrite...see any veining?  On the
  above
example, Peter M was the seller and I have
 100%
confidence that this was indeed Barbotan, 
 Now
   what
if
the winner 1randombid with a 

[meteorite-list] Damn... it`s cold here!

[Dave Schultz]

  Just returned from another fun Tucson show and sunny
70+ degree weather, and what did I return too... -2
degrees, with a -25 degree wind chill!!! Had a great
time with all the meteorite nuts once again, but was a
little disappointed with not finding alot of quality
specimens, at least ones that I was looking for, as in
previous years. Could this be an omen of things to
come??? If you find a specimen that you like, buy it
now. It seems that  the market is getting a bit tight!
  
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[meteorite-list] Hans Koser

[Dave Schultz]

  Hans... would you please e-mail me when you have the
chance or if someone has Han`s e-mail address, could
you please send it to me. Thanks.
   Dave

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Re: [meteorite-list] Jim Kriegh + Photos

[Dave Schultz]

  Thanks for the great photo`s Keith. He will truely
be missed by all!
   Dave Schultz



 Hello List
 
 I am also very sadden with losing of this true
 gentlemen and a friend to so 
 many.
 
 I will deeply miss seeing Jim at the Tucson Show, as
 so many of us will.
 
 Here are some photos taken over the past few years
 with Jim with friends and 
 family.
 

http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson06kriegh33.jpg
 

http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson06krieghhaag1.jpg
 

http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/xtucson2007jimandgd.jpg
 

http://www.geocities.com/arizonaviking2000/tucson2007wk2a230c.jpg
 
 We will all miss our friend.
 RIP
 
 Keith
 Chandler
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:32 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Jim Kriegh +
 
 
  With tears in my eyes do I have to tell you that
 
  + + + Jim Kriegh + + +
 
  * * * co-discoverer of the Gold Basin strewnfield
 * * *
 
  one the most prolific meteorite collectors within
 the
  meteorite-collecting community passed away in
 hospital
  last night after a massive heart attack.
 
  May he rest in peace!
 
  Good-bye, Jim!
 
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[meteorite-list] Tucson Show Info?

[Dave Schultz]

I need to start making plans for the upcoming Tucson
Show, and was wondering if anyone knows what the exact
dates for the main weekend are? The auctions, party
etc? Thanks in advance!
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Rare HED`s for sale on eBay

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Listees. I need to raise a little money
for some home projects, so I`ll be selling some of my
personal HED collection on eBay. Look under ...
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Re: [meteorite-list] Steve or New meteorite, which to discuss?

[Dave Schultz]

  Nothing against Steve... but I like reading about
adventures better!!!



 Does anyone want to hear about a new meteorite fall,
 or jawjack about Steve some more? There seems to be
 far more interest in Steve, so if I am wasting my
 time, please stop me.
 Let me know when you decide.
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[meteorite-list] Space Shuttle sighting! (off topic)

[Dave Schultz]

  I was just wondering if anyone in the US saw last
nights fly over of the space shuttle and the
international space station that happened around 21:52
Northern Indiana time? It was quite amazing looking
into the Northwest sky and seeing both of them emerge
behind the trees and fly almost directly overhead.
This was the first time that I had ever experienced
this, and was surprised on how bright that they were.
Truly amazing, and something that I will never forget!
Dave


  
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[meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone Analogy

[Dave Schultz]

  Sorry to intrude on your little discussion..., but
me thinks that this topic should be discussed properly
over a few beers in Ensisheim, although that might
lead to more discussions! :)

   Dave



 ...sorry, should be DHOFAR 908, not NWA!
 
 Peter
 
 
 
 Peter Marmet wrote:
 
  Hello Norbert, Adam, Marcin and All,
 
  it seems I didn't make myself very clear. I have
 absolutely nothing  
  against the term:
  This one is kind of a Rosetta Stone for this and
 this...or some  
  sort of a Missing Link...or some
  kind of a Smoking Gun for...but what makes me feel
 similar as  
  Marcin, was the following:
 
  The finders sold their NWA 908 for years under the
 name NWA  
  908...suddenly NWA 908 is THE(!) Rosetta Stone
  which means THE ONE AND ONLY
 
  ...ok, the main reason why I wrote this e-mail
  was to get more info about this rather special /
 stunning /  
  fantastic / one of it's kind lithology story!
  ... Adam wrote:  that displays two (2) lithologies
  ...Norbert wrote: displaying three (3) distinct
 lithologies
 
  Very interested to hear more about this unique
 meteorite...
  not very keen to hear more about what names are
 legal / honest /  
  ethical and
  which are not...sorry, if I started this debate!
 
  Peter
 
 
 
 
  Norbert Classen wrote:
 
 
  Dear Marcin,
 
  I didn't use that term for marketing reasons, and
 it is not a  
  synonym for
  Dhofar 908 in general but I just used it for the
 81g main mass of  
  Dhofar
  908, displaying three distinct lithologies
 linking previous finds  
  together.
  That's why I called it a Rosetta stone. Back in
 2003 virtually  
  nobody was
  willing to believe that e.g. Dhofar 489, and
 Dhofar 305 did belong  
  to one
  and the same (ancient) fall. That's not the same
 thing as calling  
  it Donald
  Duck, it's a linguistic ploy to express
 something of scientific  
  meaning...
  Do you think Baker and Bizzaro used their analogy
 as a marketing  
  ploy, or
  just because the liked the funny name?
 
  BTW, as to my knowledge neither Adam nor I did
 use the Rosetta  
  stone analogy
  without making it very clear that we were talking
 about Dhofar  
  908, not in
  general, but in respect to a certain
 stone/fragment of Dhofar 908,  
  and its
  special history/properties.
 
  And, as for the monetary value of certain
 specimens: do you  
  think that a
  specimen of, let's say normal Zagami will demand
 the same resale  
  price as a
  specimen with dual lithologies, including the DML
 (dark mottled  
  lithology)
  of Zagami? You are correct, the meteorite will
 stay the same,  
  but I fear
  you won't get the latter one, cheap. And: if you
 know of a source  
  who sells
  dual-lith Zagami at the price of normal Zagami,
 just give me a  
  call :-)
 
  My 3 lithologies,
  Norbert
 
  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
  Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Im Auftrag von
  PolandMET
  Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juni 2007 00:01
  An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rosetta Stone
 Analogy
 
  Dear list members.
  Every meteorite is special.
 
  For me is better to call meteorite with his
 official name even if  
  this is
  ugly NWA 999 name, than create some unreal
 marketing names  
  that have
  nothing to do with meteorites. I see only one
 reason for this,  
  better sales
  becouse of better name. If we call it Rosetta
 Stone,  Louis  
  Michelle or
  Donald Duck or Shrek, meteorite will stay the
 same and not become  
  more
  importand or rare.
 
  Thats my two CH3nt's
 
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[meteorite-list] Dhofar 908 3-lithology photo

[Dave Schultz]

  Sorry to intrude on your discussion once again on
Dho 908 and also changing the subject a bit, but I
think one of my favorite lunar slices has to be NWA
 that Norbert has on his web site. Seems to me
from my uneducated eye, that this particular lunar
slice has more than one lithologies, but I`m probably
wrong. Can we get an explanation on this one to extend
this fascinating subject a while longer and possibly a
photo for everyone to see?
  Dave




 Hi David, and All,
 
 Stephan's photo shows another section through the 81
 main mass of Dhofar
 908, and it's actually one of the very few pieces
 that has all three major
 lithologies. The three lithologies are spatially
 separated in the main mass,
 with one end consisting mostly of a clast poor,
 brownish IMB similar to
 Dhofar 305, while the middle of the stone mainly
 consists of a clast rich
 IMB with large anorthositic and other lithic
 fragments as can be seen in the
 lower part of my favourite slice, and which is
 similar to Dhofar 306, and
 other pairings:
 
 http://www.meteoris.de/img/ncc-lun/Dho908-2.54g.JPG 
 
 The upper, dark part seems to be a more mature
 regolith breccia, something
 that is consistent with cosmogenic nuclides studies
 by Kuni Nishiizumi.
 Speaking of that, this is a very old meteorite, and
 only one lunar meteorite
 has a even higher terrestrial age, Dhofar 025 
 pairings. According to Kuni
 Nishiizumi's studies, Dhofar 908 has a terrestrial
 age of approximately
 350,000 years, placing its fall into lower
 palaeolithic times, and the reign
 of Homo erectus rather than Homo sapiens. 
 
 Back to Stephan's slice: it has another special
 feature to the lower right -
 that large round redish clast seems to be a
 troctolite, and it's most
 similar to large clasts in Dhofar 310. I won't call
 this a fourth lithology
 because it's just a clast, but it's rather
 fascinating, though. Nice!
 
 All the best,
 Norbert
 
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 
 
 Hello All,
 
 This List is amazing at times. I asked if there was
 a photo from the 
 Rosetta Stone of Dhofar 908 showing the 3
 lithologies, and Stephan 
 Kambach very kindly sent me one. It's a beauty too!
 I have it displayed 
 on my webpage at the bottom along with his
 explanation of the various 
 components -- be sure to click the photo for a
 greatly magnified view. 
 It's a must see.
 
 http://meteoritestudies.com/protected_DHOF908.HTM
 
 Thanks Stephan (and Norbert for finding it).
 
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[meteorite-list] Mr. Altman. RE: Mr. Sterling and Larry

[Dave Schultz]

   Sorry, I very rarely even get caught up in this
 kind
 of crap, but all this talk about religion and
 politics
 IS really tiring. This is a GD meteorite List, and
 stupid discusions like this are more of the norm it
 seems now adays, and that`s what drives people away
 from here more than anything. I`ve been getting more
 dishearten about collecting lately because of this
 crap, and about ready to sell my collection and get
 away from it. I`ve met some great people and would
 hate to lose there friendship and going to the
 different meteorite shows. Just chill out! About 99%
 of us don`t want to hear it anymore!
Dave
 p.s. I will be seeing everyone in Ensisheim in two
 weeks once again! :) 
 
 
 
  Chris,
  
  I think we have had enough of this
  NON-meteorite-related talk. I for one am tired
 of
  the emails!
  
  Best regards,
  Greg
  
  
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From: Chris Merry 
To: meteorite-list 
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Mr. Altman. RE: Mr.
  Sterling and Larry
  
  
Mr. Altman,
I was wondering when one of you guys were gonna
  crawl out and come at me, thanks for being among
 the
  first. Obviously you are threatend by free speech,
  unless it is your viewpoint.  
Like I said belive how you wish...I guess to you
  it is alright to put Chirstians down, just leave
 the
  science alone.  It also says in the Bible, to
  paraphrase, a fool says there is no God.  
  
Back to stones, please.  Man go talk to your
  buds Mr. Steling and Larry, they started this!
  
Any great to hear from you, I always like to mix
  it up a bit.  :-) 
  
Chris
  
  
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson hotels

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. I have a room at The Red Roof Inn on West
Ina for $100.00 a night, very clean, and my car rental
is $150.00 for the four days that I will be in Tucson.
If you want a half way decent rate, you have to
reserve early. You can`t wait till the last minute and
you don`t have to reserve a room downtown. Very easy
commute from the outskirts around Tucson. Oh, by the
way... my airfare cost me $5.00! I used some of my
miles! ;)
Dave


 Hi All,
 
 I'm afraid I have to concur with Adam and David on
 the Tucson
 hotel/motel situation.  Something about paying
 Manhattan prices
 for a roach and bed-bug infested room in an area you
 wouldn't
 walk at night unarmed rubs me the wrong way.  There
 are many
 wonderful people that I would love to see there this
 year (and
 perhaps I still will), but I won't support hotel
 piracy.
 
 I see that a room at the Westward Look would run
 about $350
 a night after fees and taxes.  Split between two
 people, that's
 a better deal than staying solo anywhere downtown. 
 It's still
 overpriced, but at least it's a nice place.  --Rob
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] g'day meteorite

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Listee`s. I was very fortunate to acquire
a beautiful 6.73 gram full slice of Mundrabilla 020 or
G`Day from Bob Haag a couple of years ago in Tucson.
You can view it in the Mystery Meteorite Archives
under Mystery Meteorite #53 in the Meteorite Impact
Forums. It is a little blurred, but can give you an
idea of what its matrix looks like. Have a
G`Day!!!
  Dave  













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 meteorite catalog and saw
 something I had never really looked at.He had a cut
 stone called G'DAY.I
 cannot find it in A to Z,or thru google.Was it
 changed to another name?It
 says it is a howardite.Maybe our australian
 collecters can help me out.It
 is an interesting one.
 
 
 
 steve
 arnold,chicago,usa!!
 
 Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 

   
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Re: [meteorite-list] g'day meteorite

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Listee`s. I was very fortunate to acquire
a beautiful 6.73 gram full slice of Mundrabilla 020 or
G`Day from Bob Haag a couple of years ago in Tucson.
You can view it in the Mystery Meteorite Archives
under Mystery Meteorite #53 in the Meteorite Impact
Forums. It is a little blurred, but can give you an
idea of what its matrix looks like. Have a
G`Day!!!
  Dave  













--- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 meteorite catalog and saw
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 stone called G'DAY.I
 cannot find it in A to Z,or thru google.Was it
 changed to another name?It
 says it is a howardite.Maybe our australian
 collecters can help me out.It
 is an interesting one.
 
 
 
 steve
 arnold,chicago,usa!!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] g'day meteorite

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Listee`s. I was very fortunate to acquire
a beautiful 6.73 gram full slice of Mundrabilla 020 or
G`Day from Bob Haag a couple of years ago in Tucson.
You can view it in the Mystery Meteorite Archives
under Mystery Meteorite #53 in the Meteorite Impact
Forums. It is a little blurred, but can give you an
idea of what its matrix looks like. Have a
G`Day!!!
  Dave  













--- Steve Arnold, Chicago!!
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 Hello list.I was going thru bob haag's 1997
 meteorite catalog and saw
 something I had never really looked at.He had a cut
 stone called G'DAY.I
 cannot find it in A to Z,or thru google.Was it
 changed to another name?It
 says it is a howardite.Maybe our australian
 collecters can help me out.It
 is an interesting one.
 
 
 
 steve
 arnold,chicago,usa!!
 
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[meteorite-list] Ooops!

[Dave Schultz]

Sorry about the triple posts. stupid YAHOO!!
   Dave

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[meteorite-list] AD. 2 Auctions ending soon.

[Dave Schultz]

Greetings Listees. I usually don`t post auctions of
mine here, but I need a little extra spending money
for my trip to Ensisheim this year. I have only two
auctions out there under my eBay ID of indy1996, but
as some folks advertise their specimens as Museum
Quality, Magnificent, Superb, Incredible
Stunning etc, I guess I can also. Check them out,
they are both Buy it Nows and will end in around 36
hours. Thanks for looking.
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[meteorite-list] Woo-hoo awesome fireball!

[Dave Schultz]

 while I was just letting the dog out, I seen an
awesome fireball here in Norhtern Indiana. I was
looking South at Orion and it streaked across the sky
right in front of me! How cool was that!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Red Rain in India

[Dave Schultz]

  Sounds like he just got finished watching Tom Cruise
in the new version of War of the Worlds. Maybe next,
there will be blood red roots growing everywhere!
 Dave


 
 Red rain from another planet?
 rediff.com
 March 08, 2006
 
 On July 25, 2001, blood-red rain fell over Kerala.
 The unusual
 phenomenon continued for two months, raining
 crimson, turning clothes
 pink, burning leaves on trees. In some places, the
 rain fell in scarlet
 sheets.
 
 Scientists were shocked, and the government ordered
 an investigation.
 Scientists concluded that the rain was red because
 winds had swept up
 dust from Arabia and dumped it on Kerala. But Dr
 Godfrey Louis, a Reader
 in Physics at the School of Pure and Applied Physics
 at the Mahatma
 Gandhi University in Kottayam, Kerala, was not
 convinced.
 
 He diligently gathered rain samples and, after
 months of painstaking
 research, concluded: 'The red particles, which
 caused the red rain of
 Kerala, are of extraterrestrial origin.'
 
 His colleagues -- other scientists and physicists --
 frowned at the
 conclusion. But Dr Louis stuck to his theory. His
 scientific conclusions
 have now received international support. Dr Milton
 Wainwright of the
 micro-biology Department at Sheffield University in
 Britain has been
 examining some of the particles of the red rain
 samples that hit Kerala.
 And he has come out in support of Dr Louis' theory
 that the rains could
 belong to an alien life form.
 
 I am indeed thrilled that my scientific conclusions
 have received
 international support and recognition, Dr Louis
 told rediff.com New
 Scientist Magazine, in its March cover story, has
 published the red rain
 phenomenon along with the doctor's theory.
 
 How did he come to this conclusion, we asked. Dr
 Louis says the
 phenomenon first occurred at the place close to
 where he lives in
 Kerala. The characteristics were very strange.
 Conventional
 explanations appeared totally inadequate. I started
 an investigation
 with limited resources and was greatly assisted by
 my research student A
 Santhosh Kumar, he says.
 
 How did their investigations bring them to their
 interesting conclusion?
 We arrived at it by analysing the various aspects
 associated with the
 phenomenon, like the geographical and time
 distribution pattern, and the
 nature of the particles, he says.
 
 These are the findings:
 
 * The phenomenon can be explained easily if it
 is assumed that the
   origin of the red particles is from cometary
 fragments, which
   underwent atmospheric disintegration above
 Kerala.
 * There is additional correlating evidences that
 prompts this line
   of thinking, like the sonic boom from the
 meteor airburst, which
   preceded the first red rain case. Having made
 a logical
   possibility like this, it follows that the
 cometary body in
   question should contain a huge quantity of
 these red particles,
   which amounts to an estimated quantity of more
 than 50,000 kg.
 * What makes this finding most important is the
 biological cell-like
   nature of the particles. Under an optical
 microscope, they appear
   like biological cells. Transmission Electron
 Microscopy further
   shows a clear cell structure (Image above).
 Their organic nature
   is indicated by the major presence of carbon
 and oxygen. But,
   despite these biological indications, the
 cells do not show the
   presence of DNA. The genetic molecule DNA is
 present in all living
   organisms found on Earth, so the absence of
 DNA argues against the
   biological nature of these cells.
 * There is thus the possibility of alternate
 biomolecules in these
   cells, whose origin is suspected as
 extraterrestrial. This way,
   the cells may represent an alternate form of
 life from space. If
   these are such biological cells, then their
 production in huge
   quantity inside cometary bodies can be
 explained by the theory of
 cometary panspermia.
 
 But, what if these new scientific ideas are wrong?
 Dr Louis says that,
 if they are, he wants a better explanation for the
 phenomenon and the
 strange nature of the cells. If these cells have a
 terrestrial origin,
 then it follows that they exist in huge quantities
 in some part of the
 Earth and are sure to have been noticed by some
 microbiologists. But
 there appears to be no such identification so far,
 he says.
 
 Dr Louis' theory was initially ridiculed, but has
 now been accepted for
 research by international scientists like Dr
 Wainwright. His research
 has also been accepted for publication in the
 reputed international
 journal Astrophysics and Space Science. He is soon
 gearing up to publish
 the next set of results and conduct several
 collaborative studies to
 further unravel the mystery of the cells.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] link to photo of new meteorites

[Dave Schultz]

  Very, very nice. I think that one really has to get
there earlier to get the prime specimens. Save some
for us that are coming this week!!! Three more days!!!
Dave


 
 
 Here we are, Jim took this photo 5 minutes ago. 
 Mike
 A lot of large pieces, up to 60 kilos!
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[meteorite-list] Space Probes, a little off topic.

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Does anyone know where I can obtain
copies of any books, articles or literature on the
Deep Space Probes... Mariners, Voyagers and Pioneers?
E-mail me off List.
Thanks, Dave. 

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[meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite sale ending.

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Just a quick note to say that I have 12
desert eucrite auctions ending tomorrow through out
the day on eBay. eBay ID   indy1996
   Thanks, Dave.

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[meteorite-list] AD: Auctions ending

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. I have a few rare desert eucrite auctions
ending tonight and tomorrow night if anyone might be
interested. Sorry for the spam on a Holiday weekend!
  Daveindy1996

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[meteorite-list] AD: Main Mass Monday reminder!!!

[Dave Schultz]

Greetings. Just wanted to refresh everyones memories
about my NWA eucrite Main Mass Monday Sale that ends
tomorrow night, Monday. Check out the rare, beautiful,
crusted and a few one of a kind NWA eucrite Main
Masses that I have up for auction.  
 Thanks, Dave.
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[meteorite-list] AD: Auctions ending tonight!

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. I have 3 NWA eucrite auctions ending
tonight. A large 58.20 gram partslice of NWA 1553, a
65.24 partslice of NWA 1836 (Twisted Sister) and a 258
gram individual of NWA 1909. All are very nice
specimens, and if you are not bidding, just take a
look see! Look under my eBay name of indy1996.
 Thanks, Dave.

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[meteorite-list] Utrecht and Meester-Cornelis

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Looking for a 2 to 3 gram partslice of
Utrecht and Meester-Cornelis to finish out my birthday
meteorite collection. E-mail me off list if you have
any information. Thanks, Dave.



 
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[meteorite-list] AD: Main Mass Monday!!!!!!!

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Listees. I`ve just listed 7 beautiful and
rare NWA eucrite Main Masses on eBay from my personal
collection. They are not cheap, but are a fair market
price, and what I originally paid for them. Check them
out even if you are not bidding. They are really cool!
:)
 Dave  

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[meteorite-list] Re: AD: Main Mass Monday!!!!!!!

[Dave Schultz]

  Ooops! Sorry Geoff, thanks for the heads-up! My eBay
ID is indy1996.
 Dave



 Hi Dave:
 
 Could you post a link to your eBay seller page or
 seller ID please?
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Geoff N.
 
 


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[meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Listees. With a heavy heart, I will be
selling and listing my desert eucrite collection on
eBay in the coming weeks. I`m purchasing a new house
in September, and need a little extra money for
upgrading when I move in. Some things just have to
take precidence. Listed will be maim masses, slices
and fragments of hard to get and rare desert eucrites.
Look under my eBay ID of indy1996 if you might be
interested. I have two great specimens listed there
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Desert eucrite collection.

[Dave Schultz]

  Doh! Where`s that damn spell-checker when you need
it??? ;)
 Dave



 Hello Martin, Dave and list,
 
 Dave Schultz wrote:
 
 ... maim masses...
 
 Martin wondered, Hmmm. I wonder what Freud would
 say?
 
 I think Freud would blame it on his mother.  I
 always tend to lean towards 
 Wasson.  Wasson would blame the general collecting
 community I think.
 
 Clear Skies,
 Mark Bostick
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[meteorite-list] Mars Meteorite???

[Dave Schultz]

  Ok, I know that this guy is somewhat of a Loon, but
how much is he spending on eBay listing fees everytime
that he lists his $3,333,000.00 Mars Meteorite that
has been positively identified by a vision? Sorry
about no link, but I`m sure that most of you know who
I am talking about.
Dave

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Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Ensisheim 2005

[Dave Schultz]

  Almost me, but looking like I will be buying a new
house instead. Hopefully I will make it next year, and
visit with all of you partying Europeans across the
Big Pond! Have one for me and enjoy!  :)
   Dave
p.s. Take plenty of pictures to share with us less
fortunates over here!


 Me
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Martin
 Altmann
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 1:27 PM
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 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2005
 
 Who will come to Ensisheim?
 
 I'll be there!
 Martin
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Pelé Pierre-Marie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: MeteoriteList
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:14 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim 2005
 
 
  Hello to the List,
 
  Just to tell that if anybody needs a car to go
 from
  Paris to Ensisheim Show (american dealers,
 vendeurs
  français, I'll have a place in my own car). Just
 one
  person accepting to pay a part of expenses (toll,
  gas).
 
  I'm leaving Paris on friday 17th in the morning (7
 or
  8 am) and going back to Paris on monday 20th about
 2
  or 3pm.
 
  Best regards,
 
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[meteorite-list] Kind of off topic. Space Probes???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Been looking for small models of the
different space probes that are lurking out in deep
space. As in Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini etc. Any help
in directing me to different sites that offer them
would be appreciated. I can`t seem to locate any.
Thanks, Dave.

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[meteorite-list] AD: NWA 482

[Dave Schultz]

Greetings. Just wanted to let interested parties know,
that I just listed my last specimen of NWA 482 on eBay
for a very low buy-it-now price. Check it out for a
great
deal on this the most beautiful lunar on the market!
Look under eBay ID  indy1996. Thanks for looking!
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[meteorite-list] AD: Sunday auctions ending.

[Dave Schultz]

  I have 4 auctions ending Sunday afternoon and 3
others next week that might interset of few of you.
Tomorrow I have a Beautiful Camel Donga individual, an
awesome DaG CO3 individual, a cool Bilanga individual
and a beautiful Kainzas asthetic wedge from the
original fall at a great price. Look under eBay ID
indy1996. Sorry for the spamola!!! :)
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[meteorite-list] AD: very nice NWA 482

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. I have a very nice 2.5+ gram partslice of
NWA 482 for sale on eBay ending Tuesday night at a
very reasonable price. Check it out under my ID of
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Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper is a thief

[Dave Schultz]

  That picture of him in that clown suit in one of his
ads in Meteorite Mag. was priceless. :)
 Dave 


 Yes, it was a momentary lapse of sanity. He offered
 money, during the gem 
 show, money is king, I charged the card and thought
 all was well. Not true, 
 so two months later, Mr. Casper has sold my
 material, and I have no payment.
 Typical actions of a man who has destroyed every
 friendship he ever had, and 
 ripped off every dealer who ever sold to him.
 This is why I posted this warning, just to remind
 people what is happening.
 I note that Casper has meteorites for sale on eBay
 right now.
 Buy at your own risk..
 Mike Farmer
 
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 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper is a
 thief
 
 
  For us newcomers ( collecting less than 3 yrs
 )could somebody please let 
  us know what it was that catapulted the Michael
 Casper name into infamy ?
  His name is occasionally brought up but the dirt
 on him was never 
  revealed.
 
  Excuse me Mike , but Im really surprised you
 actually made a deal with 
  this guy back in February.
 
  BE
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  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper is a
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  Mikey C. !
 
  Now there's a name that we hadn't (thankfully)
 heard in a long time.
 
  I guess the slabbed silver dollar market must not
 be doing too well.
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Re: [meteorite-list] NPA 04-12-1929 Field Museum Shows Tilden, Illinois Meteorite

[Dave Schultz]

  Looks like all the Field Museum has left is 1,139.00
grams and two thin sections. Does anyone have any of
this meteorite, and if so, can you post a picture of
it? Thanks! Oh, and thanks also Mark!
  Dave


 Paper: The Bee
 City: Danville, Virginia
 Date: Friday, April 12, 1929
 Page: 6 (of 12)
 
 FIELD MUSEUM SHOWING BIG ILLINOIS METEORITE
 
  CHICAGO, Ill., April 12 - (INS) - A piece of
 the only meteorite ever 
 recorded as having fallen in Illinois now is on
 display at the Field Museum 
 of Natural History here.
  For years astronomers and geologists have been
 watching for any report 
 of a meteorite falling of being discovered imbedded
 in the soil of the 
 state.  The specimen now on display in the museum is
 a large fragment of a 
 meteorite which fell in Tilden, a town 45 miles
 southeast of St. Louis, Mo., 
 on July 12, 1927.  The meteorite landed in three
 masses - one weighing 110 
 pounds, one 45 pounds and one 9 pounds.
 
 (end)
 
 Clear Skies,
 Mark Bostick
 Wichita, Kansas
 http://www.meteoritearticles.com
 http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com
 http://www.imca.cc
 
 http://stores.ebay.com/meteoritearticles
 
 PDF copy of this article, and most I post (and about
 1/2 of those on my 
 website), is available upon e-mail request.
 
 The NPA in the subject line, stands for Newspaper
 Article. The old list 
 server allowed us a search feature the current does
 not, so I guess this is 
 more for quick reference and shortening the subject
 line now.
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Kainsaz coordinates

[Dave Schultz]

  Yes, it`s in eBay right now. #6519875991! ;)
Dave


 Anyone hwo knows the coordinates of the Kainsaz
 meteorite ?
 
 :-)
 Lars
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ibitira in thin section

[Dave Schultz]

  I could use a few oohs and aahs in my life, so how
about a couple of pics!!! :)
  Dave 


 Hello Listees, Listoids, List,
 
 The noncumulate, unbrecciated, monomict Ibitira
 eucrite with its
 mm-sized gas holes or vesicles has always been on my
 wish list
 (see O.R. Norton, p. 153 Cambridge Encyclopedia of
 Meteorites
 for a breathtaking slice measuring about 10 by 10 cm
 in size).
 
 So I was more than happy when Michael Cottingham
 offered a small
 but very characteristic slice of 0.21 grams for sale
 some time ago
 that I immediately purchased from him.
 
 Not long ago, Michael Blood offered 3 Ibitira thin
 sections, one of
 which I acquired, as this would be the ideal
 complement to my little
 slice and it even looked so similar -- almost as if
 it had been cut
 from the same piece.
 
 Today, when I looked at my Ibitira thin section
 under crossed polars and
 with several different magnifications, there were
 many oohs and aahs
 at the spectacular, colorful Ca-poor pyroxenes
 (pigeonite) most of which
 are crossed by countless parallel, fine laths of
 Ca-rich augite (so-called
 exsolution lamellae).
 
 The pyroxenes account for about 60% of my thin
 section, the second most
 abundant phase is, of course, plagioclase
 (grayish-white because it is
 chemically zoned). These plagioclase crystals show
 undulatory extinction
 when you rotate the section under your microscope
 with polars crossed.
 
 There are also several opaque inclusions throughout
 the section (they look
 black both in transmitted light and under crossed
 polars). According to the
 literature, they are ilmenite (CaTiO3), chromite
 (FeCr2O4), FeNi-metal and
 troilite.
 
 Ibitira is also said to contain the silica polymorph
 tridymite (SiO2) but I
 haven't been able to locate these laths yet as I've
 never looked for tridymite
 before. These laths can be as long as 7 mm (in NWA
 1181) but are usually
 about 1 mm in length.
 
 
 Best Eucritic
 Wishes,
 
 Bernd
 
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[meteorite-list] AD: eBay auctions ending

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings and sorry for the spam, but I have some
very nice meteorite auctions ending tonight, Saturday
and Sunday. Thanks, Dave.  eBay ID [indy1996]



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[meteorite-list] Ad: eBay auctions, off topic, sorry!

[Dave Schultz]

  I don`t usually do this, but I will be having some
nice auctions ending this Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
Looks like I will be purchasing a new house this
summer, so I`m selling; hopefully; some of my nice
specimens off to pay for some of the extras that go
along with it. I hate to do this, but some things just
have to take precidence. My eBay ID is Indy1996 for
those interested. Thanks and sorry for the off topic
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[meteorite-list] NWA 1000 or 1181???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Since I didn`t have any feedback on my
Sahara 98110 question, I`d thought that I would ask
about a couple of other eucrites. Looking for
specimens from either NWA 1000 or NWA 1181. Thanks!
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[meteorite-list] Sahara 98110???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Looking for a piece of Sahara 98110
AEUC-mbr. for my eucrite collection. I know that there
is a very low TKW of only 31 grams, but all I would
like is a small ~3 gram specimen. Thanks, Dave. 




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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite name

[Dave Schultz]

  Uh Steve. Hangmans Crossing was classified as a H4
stone chondrite. Now being from LaPorte County, In.
LaPorte County is my favorite iron! ;) But my all time
favorite name is Kittakittaooloo, another H4 chondrite
from Australia!   
Dave


 I may live in illinois, but HANGMANS CROSSING,the
 iron from indiana,is my
 favorite name.
 
 
  steve
 
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[meteorite-list] NWA 1553

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Does anyone know if NWA 1553 has ever
been officially classified and what the TKW is? I`ve
looked and can`t seem to find much on it.
Thanks, Dave. 

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[meteorite-list] Venting.

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. This is something that has got under my
skin a bit this past week, and need to do a little
venting, even though it might bring some people down
on me. After being in Tucson at the show a couple of
weeks ago, and spending a bit of time in Bob Haag`s
room, and seeing the great sales that he offered to
people, including myself. I`m just amazed that these
same people are now turning around, selling thier
specimens that they got from Bob, and using HIS NAME
to make a profit from these purchases from him! I know
that this is probably just business, but seems a
little unethical to me. They are not bad people, but
just seem a bit too greedy! I know of a couple of
pieces that other collectors would have liked, but
were gone before they even had a chance at a great
deal, specimen and provinance! Hopefully this kind of
practice does not affect future deals from certain
individuals, and REAL collectors can benefit from the
these kinds of sales, and appreciate the specimen for
what it is, and not  something to make money on.
There, that is all I have to say on that, and I WILL
NOT be selling the pieces that I got from Bob!
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[meteorite-list] Re: new computer ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

[Dave Schultz]

  I hate to get drawn in to stupid arguments on this
List, but geez people, give it a rest. Now you all are
bantering over stupid computers!!! Let`s get back to
meteorites or expedition tales or something! My delete
key is getting a work out again!!! Besides that...
have a great evening! :)
  Dave
 



-

I wasn't the one who advised using it instead of
complaining about meaningless posts by Proud Tom.

Randy


From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:50:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00)

Yeah, and obviously you did also.

Ryan

-Original Message-
From: Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Feb 16, 2005 9:46 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer

htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV class=RTE
PGuess you forgot where your delete key was, eh
Ryan.BRBRRandy/p/div
DIV/divFrom: RYAN PAWELSKI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DIV/divReply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DIV/divTo: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
DIV/divSubject: [meteorite-list] Re: new
computer
DIV/divDate: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:10:00 -0600
(GMT-06:00)
DIV/div
DIV/divHere at our house, my eleven year old
daughter has a Dimension 4700 with
DIV/divdual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer
DVD-R burner, etc.  It's two steps
DIV/divup from you machine and it isn't even
close to being state of the art.
DIV/div
DIV/divWow, bragging and blathering vs. bragging
and blathering.
DIV/div
DIV/divAnd I suppose she bought that computer
with her weekly allowence?
DIV/div
DIV/divRyan
DIV/div
DIV/div
DIV/div-Original Message-
DIV/divFrom: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DIV/divSent: Feb 16, 2005 8:59 PM
DIV/divTo: Matt Morgan
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
DIV/div Meteorite List
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
DIV/divSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] new
computer
DIV/div
DIV/divMeteorite List,
DIV/divFirst of all, I apologize to the List for
the following:
DIV/div
DIV/divI don't know about the rest of you, but
I've finally reached my limit of
DIV/divSteve Arnold's (Big Windy) non-stop
bragging and blathering. So, get angry
DIV/divwith me if you want or send me emails
condemning my behavior, but I've had
DIV/divenough and I have to vent a little here.
DIV/div
DIV/divsteve,steve,steve,steve,steveI
don't know what Dell catalog you
DIV/divordered from, but since the Gwilliams are
a Dell only family( we have
DIV/divfive Dells), I can clear up any confusion
you might be experiencing.  The
DIV/divDell Dimension 3000 is an entry level
machine and can't be called state of
DIV/divthe art by any stretch of the
imagination.  Dell describes the 3000 as the
DIV/divUltimate Value Desktop and is second
from the bottom of the line of
DIV/diveleven (11) desktop machines. The person
you ordered your computer from
DIV/divmust have given you some incorrect
information.
DIV/div
DIV/divHere at our house, my eleven year old
daughter has a Dimension 4700 with
DIV/divdual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a Pioneer
DVD-R burner, etc.  It's two steps
DIV/divup from you machine and it isn't even
close to being state of the art.
DIV/div
DIV/divBest,
DIV/div
DIV/divJohn Gwilliam
DIV/div
DIV/div
DIV/div
DIV/divOh...one more thing. Nancy (my wife)
remembers meeting BH about 10 years
DIV/divago and she said that the way she would
describe him could be translated to
DIV/divBH is one hot dude! if she were still
thirty years old, but for a fifty
DIV/divyear old guy to say that is
welldisgusting and very embarrassing.
DIV/div
DIV/divFaux pas!
DIV/div
DIV/divBest,
DIV/divJohn Gwilliam
DIV/div
DIV/div
DIV/div
DIV/div
DIV/div
DIV/divAt 03:08 PM 2/16/2005, Matt Morgan wrote:
DIV/div What does this post have to do with
meteorites? I've gotten a few new
DIV/div computers over the last two years as
well. Anyone else?? New cameras,
DIV/div camcorders, VCRs, DVDs?
DIV/div LOL
DIV/div 
DIV/div Matt Morgan
DIV/div Mile High Meteorites
DIV/div http://www.mhmeteorites.com
DIV/div PO Box 151293
DIV/div Lakewood, CO 80215 USA
DIV/div ebay id: mhmeteorites
DIV/div - Original Message -
DIV/div From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DIV/div To:
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
DIV/div Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:07
PM
DIV/div Subject: [meteorite-list] new computer
DIV/div 
DIV/div 
DIV/div   Hi and good afternoon list.I just
want to let everyone know that I   just
DIV/div   got my new computer and will be
putting my tucson pictures up on my
DIV/div   website for viewing.I'll let you
know when I am done.I got a DELL
DIV/div   DIMENSION 3000.It is state of the
art computer.
DIV/div  
DIV/div   
steve arnold.chicago
DIV/div  
DIV/div   Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
DIV/div   I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728
DIV/div   Illinois Meteorites
DIV/div   website url
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer Field Museum trip!

[Dave Schultz]

  Went to the Field Museum in Chicago last week and
thier display collection was somewhat disappointing
and really needs an overhawl! :(  A few of the dealers
rooms in Tucson,I hate to say, were much more
interesting!
   Dave  


 I agree!  To get back on track, does anybody have
 any meteorite hunting 
 trips planned this weekend??  Or maybe a trip to
 your local meteorite 
 museum?
 
 Mark
 Dell 8400 1GB ram  160GB hard drive ;-)
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:04 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer ENOUGH
 ALREADY
 
 
   I hate to get drawn in to stupid arguments on
 this
  List, but geez people, give it a rest. Now you all
 are
  bantering over stupid computers!!! Let`s get back
 to
  meteorites or expedition tales or something! My
 delete
  key is getting a work out again!!! Besides that...
  have a great evening! :)
   Dave
 
 
 
 
  -
 
  I wasn't the one who advised using it instead of
  complaining about meaningless posts by Proud Tom.
 
  Randy
 
 
 From: RYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer
 Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:50:02 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
 
 Yeah, and obviously you did also.
 
 Ryan
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Randy Mils [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Feb 16, 2005 9:46 PM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: new computer
 
 htmldiv style='background-color:'DIV
 class=RTE
 PGuess you forgot where your delete key was, eh
  Ryan.BRBRRandy/p/div
 DIV/divFrom: RYAN PAWELSKI
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DIV/divReply-To: RYAN PAWELSKI
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DIV/divTo:
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 DIV/divSubject: [meteorite-list] Re: new
  computer
 DIV/divDate: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 21:10:00 -0600
  (GMT-06:00)
 DIV/div
 DIV/divHere at our house, my eleven year old
  daughter has a Dimension 4700 with
 DIV/divdual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a
 Pioneer
  DVD-R burner, etc.  It's two steps
 DIV/divup from you machine and it isn't even
  close to being state of the art.
 DIV/div
 DIV/divWow, bragging and blathering vs.
 bragging
  and blathering.
 DIV/div
 DIV/divAnd I suppose she bought that computer
  with her weekly allowence?
 DIV/div
 DIV/divRyan
 DIV/div
 DIV/div
 DIV/div-Original Message-
 DIV/divFrom: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 DIV/divSent: Feb 16, 2005 8:59 PM
 DIV/divTo: Matt Morgan
  [EMAIL PROTECTED],
 DIV/div Meteorite List
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 DIV/divSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] new
  computer
 DIV/div
 DIV/divMeteorite List,
 DIV/divFirst of all, I apologize to the List
 for
  the following:
 DIV/div
 DIV/divI don't know about the rest of you,
 but
  I've finally reached my limit of
 DIV/divSteve Arnold's (Big Windy) non-stop
  bragging and blathering. So, get angry
 DIV/divwith me if you want or send me emails
  condemning my behavior, but I've had
 DIV/divenough and I have to vent a little
 here.
 DIV/div

DIV/divsteve,steve,steve,steve,steveI
  don't know what Dell catalog you
 DIV/divordered from, but since the Gwilliams
 are
  a Dell only family( we have
 DIV/divfive Dells), I can clear up any
 confusion
  you might be experiencing.  The
 DIV/divDell Dimension 3000 is an entry level
  machine and can't be called state of
 DIV/divthe art by any stretch of the
  imagination.  Dell describes the 3000 as the
 DIV/divUltimate Value Desktop and is second
  from the bottom of the line of
 DIV/diveleven (11) desktop machines. The
 person
  you ordered your computer from
 DIV/divmust have given you some incorrect
  information.
 DIV/div
 DIV/divHere at our house, my eleven year old
  daughter has a Dimension 4700 with
 DIV/divdual hard drives, extra SDRAM, a
 Pioneer
  DVD-R burner, etc.  It's two steps
 DIV/divup from you machine and it isn't even
  close to being state of the art.
 DIV/div
 DIV/divBest,
 DIV/div
 DIV/divJohn Gwilliam
 DIV/div
 DIV/div
 DIV/div
 DIV/divOh...one more thing. Nancy (my wife)
  remembers meeting BH about 10 years
 DIV/divago and she said that the way she
 would
  describe him could be translated to
 DIV/divBH is one hot dude! if she were
 still
  thirty years old, but for a fifty
 DIV/divyear old guy to say that is
  welldisgusting and very embarrassing.
 DIV/div
 DIV/divFaux pas!
 DIV/div
 DIV/divBest,
 DIV/divJohn Gwilliam
 DIV/div
 DIV/div
 DIV/div
 DIV/div
 DIV/div
 DIV/divAt 03:08 PM 2/16/2005, Matt Morgan
 wrote:
 DIV/div What does this post have to do with
  meteorites? I've gotten a few new
 DIV/div computers over the last two years as
  well. Anyone else?? New cameras,
 DIV/div camcorders, VCRs, DVDs?
 DIV/div LOL
 DIV/div 
 DIV/div Matt Morgan
 DIV/div Mile High Meteorites
 DIV

[meteorite-list] Space Passport

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. I was just wondering if there are any of
Bob Haag`s vintage 'Space Passports' to be had
anywhere. Would be a cool addition to my meteorite
collection! :)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson news ( and AD )

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Michel. Sounds like you are having a good
time so far, but keep some of that champagne on ice
for awhile, as some of us meteorite nuts won`t arrive
till Thursday! see you then!
Dave


 Hello list;
 
 Here is my second message about what's happening
 there. I discover the show 
 and it is great. Things are movin fast.
 
 Amongst others, I had the visist of Ted Bunch and we
 discussed about my 
 Achondrite anom Sahara 03500 ( Tassa Mahchi on my
 web site) he agrees that 
 the metal globules are really big, probably the
 bigger he ever seen, ( which 
 conforts me in the idea that this meteorite is
 really special, and for the 
 first time offered to the public in Tucson.), he
 thinks it is highly shocked 
 which we had also discovered. He is sceptical about
 the classification. I 
 will certainly ask for more analyses when I come
 back home.
 I had a brillant evening with my friend John Kashuba
 and his wife. I slowly 
 recover from the cold I caught on arrival.
 My show room is now ready waiting for you visists. I
 display mainly main 
 masses and some big slices. I brought with me more
 than $ 100 000 of 
 material, 95 % of it being original and presented
 for the first time on the 
 market, such as the Djermaia 1961 fall (Chad) , the
 Molay7 kg diogenite, 
 Tassa Mahchi, and much more.
 
 I have still some champagne 
 
 Best regards
 
 Michel FRANCO
 Tucson Inn Suites Room 222.
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Iron Meteorite on Mars (Color Photo)

[Dave Schultz]

  Hello Ron. What a cool color picture that is. Is
there a possibility in the near future of a color
print being published that a person could purchase? I
for one would like to have one! Thanks for all the
info that you provide to us!
Dave


 

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/missions/mer/images.cfm?id=1466
 
 [Image]
 
 Iron Meteorite on Mars
 January 19, 2005
 
 NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity has found
 an iron meteorite on
 Mars, the first meteorite of any type ever
 identified on another planet.
 The pitted, basketball-size object is mostly made of
 iron and nickel.
 Readings from spectrometers on the rover determined
 that composition.
 Opportunity used its panoramic camera to take the
 images used in this
 approximately true-color composite on the rover's
 339th martian day, or
 sol (Jan. 6, 2005). This composite combines images
 taken through the
 panoramic camera's 600-nanometer (red),
 530-nanometer (green), and
 480-nanometer (blue) filters.
 
 Image Credit: NASA/JPL/Cornell
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Bluewing 001

[Dave Schultz]

  I was just wondering if anyone knows who found
Bluewing 001, an eucrite that was found in Pershing
Co., NV. in 2000, and if there would possibly be any
for sale or trade? I know the TKW is very low though,
and my prospects are probably slim and none, but it
doesn`t hurt to try. Thanks and hope everyone has a
safe and Happy New Year
 Dave

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[meteorite-list] NWA Eucrites????

[Dave Schultz]

  Looking for these 5 NWA Eucrites for my Eucrite
collection, if they are available.
  NWA 2246 aeuc-p TKW 11.8 grams 
  NWA 2247 aeuc-p TKW 8.6 grams
  NWA 3056 aeuc TKW 68 grams 
  NWA 3066 aeuc TKW 34.9 grams
  NWA 3082 aecu TKW 7.4 grams
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Re: [meteorite-list] dhofar inclusions

[Dave Schultz]

  I think we will just have to wait on the photos till
Steve opens his Christmas present! ;)
 Dave


 As always, photos would be helpful.
 --
 Liebe Grüße,
 Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
 Am Sun, 5 Dec 2004 12:09:09 -0800 (PST), schrieb
 Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!:
  Hi list.I was going thru some of my dhofar main
 masses.I have
  several half-stones, I noticed that 2 more of them
 have dark
  inclusions in the center, like carmel in chocolate
 candy
  bars.Please any info why this will be helpful.
 
  steve
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes

[Dave Schultz]

  Just go to your local casino John, and get a set of
dices from the crap tables!!! ;)
   Dave



 Can anyone tell me where I can buy some of the one
 centimeter cubes used 
 for scale in pictures?
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
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[meteorite-list] Upcoming Tucson Auctions?

[Dave Schultz]

  I know that it might be a little too early to talk
about them, but are all of the different auctions
still being planned, and possibly when will the
listings start to appear? Just something that I was
thinking about on this cold, rainy night.
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[meteorite-list] Happy Thanksgiving!!!

[Dave Schultz]

Just wanted to wish all of my fellow American list
members a Happy and safe Thanksgiving. Let`s all try
to put our differences away for awhile and relax and
enjoy this time of year with family and friends!!!
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[meteorite-list] Some Good News for a Change

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Adam and list members. I would like to ask
Adam and Greg if and when their awesome collection
will  be made avaible online, so that all of us can
gaze at it? Looking forward to that day!!!
   Dave  


 Dear List,
 
 Sure, some are turned off by the efforts being made
 to restore collector
 confidence, change is painful for some.  Many
 believe the problem only
 exists with NWA material, this is not true.  The
 influx of material from NWA
 has affected every sector of meteorite collecting
 including falls.  I
 recognize there are other factors involved as well.
 The good news is that
 there are bargains to be found everywhere regardless
 of how you collect.
 More good news is that the following steps are being
 taken to improve the
 image and add professionalism to this awesome
 avocation:
 
 It was decided that long-term steps should be taken
 in order to improve the
 situation.  The IMCA has evolved to Corporate status
 with a board of
 directors that represent some of the most honest
 people you could hope to
 have represent this community.
 
 Rules of conduct and a code of ethics are being
 worked out as we speak with
 the input of nonbiased individuals.
 
 Collectors and dealers are becoming more aware of
 the importance of
 documentation.  The chain-of-custody of some
 material is being rightfully
 questioned.  This can only enhance the value of
 certain meteorites in the
 future.
 
 The entire meteoritic community including collectors
 and dealers were
 invited in by the Meteoritical Society to add input
 on the NomCom rules
 regarding NWA nomenclature. This demonstrates that
 differing groups can
 collaborate.  If you did not take advantage of this
 you have no right to
 complain about NomCom rules.  I personally believe
 the best that can be done
 has been done.
 
 Two more laboratories are online that did not
 classify meteorites just five
 years ago.  As the cost of Microprobes comes down
 expect a few more to come
 onboard.  Free classification services are starting
 to go away so it is time
 to take advantage of these services before more
 start charging, grant money
 can longer be counted on to support some of these
 services and a new finance
 model has been adopted by some laboratories.
 
 As the material is starting to dry up from NWA,
 laboratory wait time has
 been reduced to an average of six months, down from
 over a year and a half
 in some cases.
 
 Several exciting things are happening including some
 revamping of the
 archaic classification systems that are now in
 place.  O-isotope testing is
 becoming an ever increasingly important tool in
 qualifying new meteorite
 types and two new facilities are onboard and are
 excited to work with
 meteorites.
 
 Meteoritics will move ahead, embrace the changes,
 
 
 
 Adam Hupe
 The Hupe Collection
 Team LunarRock
 IMCA 2185
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[meteorite-list] Cave man

[Dave Schultz]

  Damn, and I thought that this subject title was
going to be about that campy movie staring Ringo
Star!!! ;) 


 Is this the same guy who was caught growing
 marijuana while living in a 
 cave?
 Oh wait, that was the Frass Mars rock guy.
 Give it time.
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[meteorite-list] ADDS, Ebay or others

[Dave Schultz]

  I personally don`t mind the different adds that come
across the Met List. In fact, if people had not posted
some of thier adds here in the past, I would have
totally missed out on a few rare eucrites for my
collection. I  subscribe to different dealers sales
lists also!
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[meteorite-list] Agoult TKW???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Was just wondering if anyone knows the
final TKW for Agoult. I just need it for my personal
collection data. Thanks in advance!
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[meteorite-list] Vesta books or prints?

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Since I collect basically eucrites, I was
wondering if there are any good prints, photos or
pictures of Vesta that might be available? Also if any
books were ever written solely on Vesta? Thanks, and
hoping those that are lucky enough to be in Munich are
having a great time!!!
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[meteorite-list] RE: MUNICH - FRIDAY - How to get there hints.

[Dave Schultz]

  I second that wish. Too bad someone couldn`t set up
a web camera or the sorts!!! ;) Should be alot of red
eyes the next morning. Have fun everyone! See all of
you that will be attending Tucson in February!
   Dave


 Christian et al,
 If you guys aren't too drunk this weekend, would you
 mind taking a few 
 pictures and sharing them with those of us who can't
 attend.
 
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[meteorite-list] Display cabinet

[Dave Schultz]

  Sorry, I know this has been brought up before, but
can anyone tell me which websites are best for
purchasing airtight display cabinets? Need to upgrade
the one that I have. Thanks in advance!
  Dave



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[meteorite-list] Kentland Indiana impact crater?

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. Was just wondering if anyone has been to
the Kentland site and if there is still anything to
see? I am also interested in purchasing a nicely
structured shattercone if any are available for my
collection. Thanks.
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[meteorite-list] Vermillion (was Helt Township???)

[Dave Schultz]

   The meteorite name was called Helt Township, and it
fell in the County of Vermillion in Indiana. There is
even a small book written on it. You can find it
listed on this website
http://igs.indiana.edu/geology/extraTerrestrial/meteorites/
index.cfm
It even has a picture of it with numbers. They look
like they could be R-9276. ??? I must find out more!!!
 :)   Dave 

   Hi list.
  According to the same Catalogue that Sterling
 quoted, Marv Kilgore has the 
 main mass of the Vermillion (Kansas) pyroxene
 pallasite.  But what I find 
 to be courious, is that there are larger masses in
 other collections.
 
 And according to Dave Wier,  Vermillion may be more
 confidently considered 
 to be genetically related to members of the low-Au
 division of the IAB 
 iron-meteorite complex.
 
 In any case, the name Vermillion is now taken.  So
 even if the Indiana 
 Iron were recovered, it would have to get a
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[meteorite-list] Helt Township???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. While checking out different web sites on
Indiana meteorites, I came across the Indiana
University, Indiana Geological Survey website, and
they state that an Iron meteorite fell in Vermillion,
Indiana around 1883-84, which would make that 13
Indiana meteorites. I have never heard of this
meteorite and only thought that there was 12
meteorites that fell or where found in Indiana. Any
other info would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in
advance.
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[meteorite-list] Smara and NWA 2051

[Dave Schultz]

Greetings Listees! I was just rearranging my eucrite
collection a bit tonight and noticed again that the
matrix of my beautiful 53 gram partslice of Smara
looked exactly liked my NWA 2051 M/M. Could there be a
possibilty that they could be paired in any way? I`m
hoping not, but Smara was found in the Western Sahara
and the NWA 2051 was purchased in Morocco. Any help
would be appreciated! 
Thanks, Dave.

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[meteorite-list] Add. Naiman auction ending!

[Dave Schultz]

Sorry for the eBay spam, but I have a beautiful full
slice of a rare Chinese fall by the name of Naiman
ending tonight in around 30 minutes. Check it out!!!
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[meteorite-list] Al Mitterling

[Dave Schultz]

Sorry for the off topic, but I need to have Al
Mitterling contact me as soon as possible! Thanks.
 Dave
  




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[meteorite-list] Caspers Socks on eBay!!!

[Dave Schultz]

  OMG!!! I know this is off subject, but did anyone
else see that Casper is auctioning off his socks on
eBay??? He-he!!! He should have been wearing his clown
suit in the photo! I needed that laugh today! :)
  Dave

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[meteorite-list] Something that every Martian meteorite collector should have in thier collection!

[Dave Schultz]

Hope this attachment works! :)
Dave
   

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[meteorite-list] Stan Turecki

[Dave Schultz]

  This is for Stan. I have received all of your
e-mails and have replied to them many times. You must
be having problems on your end, as I am not having any
problems here, and yes, I will be in Tucson from the
5th. thru the 9th. of February.
  Dave

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[meteorite-list] Anyone else get an e-mail like this???

[Dave Schultz]

 This email was sent by an eBay member via eBay's
 email forwarding system. 
 If you reply to the email, your response will go
 directly to the member and 
 not through eBay. 
 
 eBay Marketplace Safety Tip:
 If this email is an offer to sell you an item
 without winning the listing 
 on eBay, please report it to us at

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html.
 Please do not respond to it.  Regardless of the
 apparent feedback of the 
 sender or any claims they might make, such an offer
 is not only against our 
 rules, but it is extremely risky.  It is unsafe to
 purchase such an item through 
 a transaction that is not on our site. You will lose
 the benefit of eBay's 
 purchase protection programs, and run the risk of
 losing your money.
 
 
 
 
 To member:   indy1996
 From member: dadkitty
 
 
 
 
 I'm leaving for antarctica next sunday
 I understand it is a great place to find meteorites?
 I know nothing about them.
 I thought I would look them up on ebay and had no
 idea
 what they go for.
 Do you have any tips for bringing any them home
 (if it is even possible)
 thanks
 kathi
 
 
 
 
 


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[meteorite-list] JPL

[Dave Schultz]

  I just want to thank Ron Baalke for all of the
interesting information about the goings on at the JPL
and with the Stardust Project, but there is just one
thing that I want to know. So, who brought the box of
donuts, Krispy Kremes? to work today that are
sitting on the counter??? Seeing them sitting there,
brought a slight smile to my face for some reason. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] need meteorite info Vyatka or Kaigorod

[Dave Schultz]

  Try Sergey Vassiliev`s website for Vyatka. He has a
beautiful slice listed with info, and I also think
that he has the main mass!
another Dave

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 i am looking for the type, date when found, and tkw
 of the following 
 meteorites:
 
 selma, al   H4  Dallas County, Alabama  1906  tkw
 141 kg
 vyatka (sp.?) russia   H4/5  -  Kirovskaya, Russia
 1992  tkw 32+ tkw
 odessa, tx   iron IAB fine octahedrite  Ector
 County, Texas  1922  tkw: lots 
 ;-)
 smithonia, ga iron IIAB  Oglethorpe County,
 Georgia  1940  tkw 69.9 kg
 There is also a stone named Odessa, but assume you
 mean the more common iron. 
  I also seem to recall a story with Vyatka  -  it
 used to be called something 
 else, and a large percentage of the TKW was missing,
 and then it was 
 discovered somewhere else with a different
 name.one of those kind of stories.  
 Anyone remember details?
 
 Gregory
 
 J. Gregory Wilson
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Re: [meteorite-list] i'm baaaaccckkkk

[Dave Schultz]

  I was down there just last week myself and walked
past the Meteor smoke house , but alas didn`t have
my camera with me. That is quite the meteor, a flying
pig picture!!! The best restaurant that we ate at was
called The Two Friends. It`s amazing the size of the
cruise ships that dock there also. 
   Dave 



 AAH the keys: a little slice of paraidse , eh? you're
only supposed to go to the keys to LIVE- NOT to work!
still own property in big pine, butwould hate to have
to buy it now. keys are nice IF (and only if) you own
your own place free and clear- rent is ridiculously
high for what you get ($1,000 for a single-wide to
$2,600 for a 3/2 on a canal) and the average wage for
70% of the population of moroe county is
only$7.20/hr.. if you really want some fun, try to get
a building permit for that 100'x50' lot w/ no rogo
points you bought next door for only $50,000. blood
vessels will bust and hairs will grey and fall out
(trust me on this one).

 meteorite hunting sux though. the life expectancy of
any meteorite in the keys (no matter what size) is
only 15 minutes!!! oh, the best bar in key west is the
parrot on whitehead and there is agreat bbq place next
to it called the Meteor smoke house! some of you
dealer types out there ougtta sell a big campo to 'em
for display as you walk in- would really fit in nicey
in the place. if the sale goes thru, send me a
half-dozen or so carte blanche freebie passes to the
place for a finder's fee so me and my friends can
stuff a gut and catch a buzz there on the house one
nite. 




From: Michael Farmer 
To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! , 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] i'm bccc 
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:24:27 -0700 
 
I lived in Key west for 2 years, I hate the place.
Nice to visit, sucks real 
bad to live there. 
Mike Farmer 
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:07 AM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] i'm bccc 
 
 
  Hi list.I am back from KEY WEST.Me and my wife had
a great time.If 
  limestone was valuable, KEYwest would be the most
rich island anywhere.It 
  was every where.I hope everyone had a great
holiday.Time to get  back into 
  meteorites. 
  

steve 
  
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[meteorite-list] Tucson Auctions???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. I know that this might be a little off
topic these days, but I was just wondering, with only
2 months to go till Tucson that I haven`t seen any
adds or anything anywhere else about Michael Blood`s
Auction or The Macovich [Darrly Pitt] Auction listed
anywhere? Shouldn`t we be seeing something really soon
about these and also if you possibly wanted to list
something in said auctions, would you contact them
directly? Thanks. 
 Dave   

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Re: [meteorite-list] Classic meteorites - my Top 10

[Dave Schultz]

  Hey Norbert! You left out that Classic Indiana
meteorite LaFayette!!! ;)
  Dave


 Hi John, and List,
 
 If you hadn't added the word classic I would have 
 placed the new lunar Dhofar 908 on nr. one, for
 obvious
 reasons. Doesn't matter, there are also lots of
 great
 classic meteorites, and here's my Top 10:
 
 1.  Chassigny (martian dunite, and witnessed fall)
 2.  Nakhla (martian clinopyroxenite, and witnessed
 fall)
 3.  Shergotty (martian basalt, and witnessed fall)
 4.  Calcalong Creek (the first non-Antarctic lunar)
 5.  Ensisheim (yes, the only chondrite in my
 listing)
 6.  Governador Valadares (nakhlite find from Brazil)
 7.  Ibitira (vesicular eucrite fall from Brazil)
 8.  Novo-Urei (the first ureilite - yum, yum ;-)
 9.  Acapulco (now, that's a neat one, isn't it?)
 10. Aubres (another type specimen, and a real
 beauty)
 
 I know that this list might not fit into your
 definition
 of classic meteorites, but that's my take of it
 ;-)
 
 All the best,
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[meteorite-list] Vesta meteorite???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings. While looking into some web sites on the
4 Vesta asteroid, I came across this site. If you
scroll down to the bottom of the page, they talk about
the Vesta Meteorite. Ok, I might be missing something
here, but I have never heard of the Vesta Meteorite,
or seen it listed anywhere. I collect mainly eucrites
now, so that is why I was looking up 4 Vesta sites.
Can anyone help me with this one, or have an idea of
the meteorite pictured? Thanks in advance!
   Dave
http://www.geocities.com/zlipanov/selected_asteroids/4_vesta/4_vesta.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] pinto mtns. or Meteorites from A to Z!

[Dave Schultz]

  I don`t think anyone would want to buy mine. I have
too many notes written in it. By the way, when does
the second edition come out? I really need a new one,
since my collecting direction has change, and need to
jot down some new notes! 
   Another Dave.


 Dear List, and Friends;
 There are just too many Dave's around here, sort
 of like the Michael's 
 of the past.
 Why would one want to sell the handiest reference
 book out there on 
 meteorites? And to part with a book that contains
 pictures of my most 
 precious (forgive me my other friends who have  and
 do not have  books 
 out there) meteorite authors...
 Like a carpenter selling his saw and hammer?
 Beyond me,
 Dave Freeman's beyond
 
 DNAndrews wrote:
 
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  I bet the 5th editon of   the catalogue of
 meteorites has it...probably
  on page 404.  Might even say 1954...17.9 KG
 Riverside co.
 
 
 
 
  Meteorites from A to Z does mention it to. Page
 86
 
 
  I bet it looks just like this book here:  ;-)
 
 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2199762509
 
 
 
  Best,
  Dave
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Spotted Over Utah

[Dave Schultz]

  This might be a bit premature, but currently I`m
checking out a possible fall here in Indiana. Someone
that I work with told me awhile back, that something
hit his cousins or brothers garage roof who lives out
in the country, but you know how that usually ends up
being. I keep telling him to bring it to me so that I
can check it out, but we have been really busy at
work. I`m not getting my hopes up, but sure would like
to see what ever it was. Tomorrow, Saturday is my one
day off, so I will try to get in touch with him and
see. I will post pictures if it might seem authentic.
Wish me luck!!!
Dave

 
 Meteorite Spotted Over Salt Lake Valley
 ABC 4 News
 October 16, 2003
 
 If you think you saw a UFO over the Salt Lake valley
 Thursday morning, you may not have been too far off.
 
 
 NORAD is saying they think the unidentified object
 was a meteor but they have yet to confirm their
 findings. 
 
 ABC 4's Andrew Stack has been close on the tail of
 this meteor all day and has more. 
 
 Thursday morning, a soldier on the firing range at
 Camp Williams looked up to see a blinding flash, and
 then a long con trail. It was a tail many others
 would
 see over the next few minutes. 
 
 All of a sudden, my eyes saw something fantastic,
 describes one. 
 
 NORAD right now is researching all their records,
 explains another. 
 
 Around 10:30 Thursday morning, some caught a
 glimpse of a bright, white light. 
 
 I thought, you know, I'm sitting out here taking
 UFO
 pictures, says Brad Gygi, an eyewitness. 
 
 At the present time, they figure this is the high
 time of
 the season for meteor showers and that's what one of
 the suggestions has been, but right now, it is
 undetermined to exactly what it is, says one.
 
 First it flew over Camp Williams. 
 
 ...saw an airplane going over and then he saw a
 white
 trail that appeared to be coming from the south
 about
 two o'clock and heading to the north at about eight
 o'clock, describes LTC Rick West, Camp Williams
 Training Site. 
 
 Then it was seen over downtown Salt Lake. 
 
 It looked like it was heading for downtown
 Bountiful,
 says Richard Law, another eyewitness. 
 
 But it never made it that far. 
 
 Naturally, with the war going on, I thought, 'oh,
 oh,
 what do we got here?' And then I recognized it
 immediately as a comet or a meteor because of its
 shape and the way it was going and then when it
 exploded and just disappeared, I figured it just
 burned
 out in the atmoshpere. 
 
 I was lucky to get a couple that did turn out,
 says
 Gygi, of his pictures. 
 
 Brad Gygi was on his way to work and was lucky
 enough to snap a few photos before 'it' exploded. 
 
 It looked really big, a lot bigger than when you
 see a
 plane flying across or something and it was pretty
 bright and it looked like a pretty long tail, says
 Gygi. 
 
 I just feel like anybody who didn't see it, missed
 out.
 It was beautiful. It was just wonderful to see it. 
 
 The soldier who first saw this meteor reported it
 through his chain of command because he feared the
 meteor might hit one of the commuter flights
 preparing
 to land at Salt Lake International. 
 
 As it turns out, air traffic controllers at Salt
 Lake
 International took immediate action to ensure safety
 as soon as they heard about this explosion in the
 sky. 
 
 They changed incoming landing approaches for a
 couple of flights to avoid the area. 
 
 There were no close calls, all planes landed safely
 and
 everything shortly returned to normal. 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] The Worden Meteorite]

[Dave Schultz]

  and Mike said...
  
 Well, that is interesting, the Winslow Street Park
 forest piece damaged a red Jeep, and the other small
 specimen I got dented a maroon car in Steger. 
 Mike
  
  Sounds like you ought to trade your silver SUV in
for a red one! eh Mike!! ;)
Dave

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[meteorite-list] Meester-Cornelis and Utrecht

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings from chilly and rainy Northern Indiana! :(
Looking for samples of Meester-Cornelis, an H5
chondrite from Java, Indonesia, and Utrecht, an L6
chondrite from the Netherlands. These are two of my
birthday meteorites and haven`t been able to find them
listed on anyones website! I just received a beautiful
small partslice of Buschof which is the 3rd. of my
birthday meteorites from Sergey Vassiliev. Any help
would be appreciated in completing this small
subcollection. Thanks!
Dave  

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Re: [meteorite-list] eBay policemen?

[Dave Schultz]

   and Dave said...

  I personally
 would regard 0.25g of Calcalong Creek as 'huge'!
  dave   
 IMCA#0092 

  Just ask Norbert Classen. He HAS a huge 0.25 gram
specimen of Calcalong Creek, and it is awesome!!!

another dave,
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[meteorite-list] Too many List Big Brothers!!!!

[Dave Schultz]

  Is it just me, or is there anyone else on the list
that feels as if we are all being watched by Big
Brother. Geez, don`t use the wrong wording or heaven
forbid list something that isn`t quite kosher to some
list members on eBay. Sorry if I`m offending anyone,
but give it a rest people!!! Sometimes I feel that
this list is becoming one big Spanish Inquisition!!! 
  
 Dave IMCA 2725   

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[meteorite-list] Birthday Meteorites

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings Listees. As I was just recently
communicating with a well respected list and lunar
meteorite collector, whose birthday was last week,
[happy belated birhtday Norbert Classen] we got on the
subject of birthday meteorites. He gave me a headsup
on one of the 3 falls that happened on my birthday of
June 2, listed on Sergey Vasiliev`s website. I
contacted him and now have a fine small specimen on
the way of Buschof L6 that fell June 2, 1863 in
Latvia. Now all I need are specimens of
Meester-Cornelis an H5 that fell in 1915 in Indonesia
and Utrecht an L6 that fell in 1843 in the
Netherlands. Can any list members know of anywhere
that I can get specimens of these two falls that I can
purchase? Thanks in advance and good luck in finding
your birhtday meteorites if you take on that
challenge.
   Dave [IMCA 2725]   

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[meteorite-list] Speaking of Tucson

[Dave Schultz]

  I know that this is probably a little to early, but
does anyone have any idea when [dates] the Blood and
Macovich auctions will take place so that I can start
to make arrangements [reservations] for that time???
Thanks in advance! :)
Dave

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Re: [meteorite-list] Hello List!

[Dave Schultz]

  Welcome aboard Christopher, and enjoy your
meteorites, this list and all of the interesting folks
we have here, and also, don`t forget about Tucson next
February!!! At least I think that`s when it will take
place. :)
 Dave


 Whoo hoo! I finally made it on after many attempts!
 I've been reading the archives and have been quite
 impressed with the list.
 
 I am new to collecting, but have always been
 interested in science and space. I was on the Board
 of a local astronomy club a few years back (when we
 had access to a 15 refractor--the largest such
 scope in amateur hands) and even taught some
 astronomy 101 classes. My collection is small but
 growing. I have several micromounts, but a few
 larger pieces. 
 
 Thanks for having me and I promise I won't ask too
 many new guy questions ;-)
 
 Christopher
 Gig Harbor, WA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Need Help, Ebay suspended my account for auction wasnt mine

[Dave Schultz]

  Hello Ed. I had one of these also last week that I
posted to the list. This is called spoofing, and there
is a section in eBay if you dig hard enough to contact
them about this. Like Frank said... DO NOT GIVE THEM
ANY INFORMATION! Good luck.
   Dave 


 
 Hi
 I just recieved a letter from ebay suspending my
 account. For a acution that I never listed ( item #
 2184414322 ). I know others had problems. What
 address can I send this email back to to see if it
 is a scam. Believe it was for a Brenham meteorite,
 according to the letter. I cant view the auction,
 and sorry if anyone on this list bid. Thanks for the
 help.
  
 Ed
  
 IMCA 6254
 
 
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[meteorite-list] Off topic possible eBay scam

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings listees. Sorry for another off topic
subject, but I just received an apparent e-mail from
eBay [safeharbor] stating that I have had my rights to
eBay suspended for a violation of trying to log into
eBay using a bogus ID, which there was no way that I
did. I e-mailed eBay about this possible scam or
misunderstanding and await thier reply. Has anyone
else been banned lately by them or possibly been sent
a false e-mail from someone else masquerading as eBay
asking for your personal account information? Could
someone be trying to steal our accounts since that
eBay list was posted here? Maybe that wasn`t such a
good idea afterall!
  Thanks, Dave. [indy1996] 

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Re: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings listees. There is no way that I even
consider myself being any kind of a dealer. I sell on
eBay so that I can make aome money to purchase my
collection pieces. At the moment I am selling off a
good portion of my Carbonaceous Chondrite collection
on eBay [hint-hint] so that I can purchase new
Eucrites, as this is the collection direction that I
am going towards now. Collector yes... dealer no! Have
a great 4th.!
Dave


 Dear List,
 
 We consider ourselves collectors first not dealers. 
 We have spent way more
 than we have sold.  I feel some of the
 qualifications for a true dealer are:
 
 Knowing what you are selling meaning having
 meteorites classified whenever
 possible
 Possessing an excellent knowledge of the subject
 Having a long-term business plan
 Standing behind what you are selling
 Knowing what the market will bear (fair pricing) so
 that you will be around
 for awhile
 Knowing the ratio between ordinary meteorites and
 rare ones and pricing
 accordingly
 Preparing or having material prepared properly
 Depositing proper sized type specimens
 Promoting meteoritics
 Donating material to non-profit organizations to
 further promote meteorites
 Protecting customers long-term interests by
 providing accurate TKWs
 Working closely with the scientific community
 Keeping track of your inventory meaning cataloging
 and labeling
 Above all being honest
 
 I am sure a lot more can be added to this list.
 
 Best Wishes
 
 Adam


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[meteorite-list] Off the wall meteorites???

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings listees. How many other off-the-wall
meteorites are there besides the one or two from Park
Forest that smashed through roofs and bounced Off
inside Walls or even the ones that bounced Off the
outside Walls of houses??? Possibly a new collecting
direction for someone??? ;)
   Dave

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[meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta Eucrite Inclusions????

[Dave Schultz]

  Greetings list members. I just purchased a very nice
14+ gram Vaca Muerta eucrite inclusion from Eric Olson
of ELKK Meteorites, and was wondering if there was any
information on how these eucritic inclusions came
about being in the Vaca Muerta mesosiderite
meteorites? Thanks in advance!
   Dave [IMCA #2725] 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo meteorites

[Dave Schultz]

  Jeff said... 

  There are other meteorites with 
 similar grandfathered names, e.g.. Lutschaunig's
 Stone, Holland's Store, 
 and my favorite,  Slaghek's Iron.

  Now comes Big Steve`s post about if there are any of
these meteorites out there for sale or trade???

  Just a little friendly tease there Steve :)

Dave



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