Re: [meteorite-list] Washington SpaceX fall event: debris recovered

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

I have not seen a Federal Regulation pertaining to Space craft debris.  Title 
49 part 830
only outlines the rules and laws concerning Aircraft wreckage.  Good question.  
We will
have to wait for 21st Century laws! 

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> On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marco and List,
> 
> I have a question about ownership and legality of these manmade
> artifacts that fall from space and are found on private property.
> 
> What is the law regarding objects that originate from private entities?
> 
> I understand that if part of a NASA object falls on your land, that it
> is still government property.
> 
> But, SpaceX is a private corporation, so would that change the legal
> situation? Could a land owner keep such an object legally?
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> On 4/2/21, Marco Langbroek via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Marc Fries wrote:
>>> I've posted some data on the Washington debris fall from last 26 March.
>>> Radar signatures from this event persist for about two hours after the
>>> event, and some early-arriving signatures appear to be massive objects.
>>> The strewn field lies along a line which covers most of the state and
>>> appears along a line which roughly connects Yakima and Spokane.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A COPV from this Falcon 9 reentry has been revovered on farmland in Grand
>> County, Washington:
>> 
>> https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/2/22364582/spacex-rocket-debris-falls-farm-washington
>> 
>> - Marco
>> 
>> 
>> Dr Marco Langbroek
>> 
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>> web:   www.langbroek.org
>> Twitter:   @Marco_Langbroek
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Re: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Explorer

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

For those of us who's DVR failed, is there a site where the episode can be 
viewed!

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On Dec 11, 2018, at 11:23 AM, John Lutzon via Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
 wrote:

Very nice Mike, thoroughly enjoyed the whole show.
And, of course the Earth is flat--duh

John Lutzon
- Original Message -
From: Michael Farmer via 
Meteorite-list
To: Mitch Noda
Cc: Meteorite Mailing List
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2018 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Explorer

Just note that the one hour show has 2-4 segments. I think mine is the last 
segment. Title is Space Race.
https://www.google.com/search?q=national%20geographic%20explorer

Michael Farmer

On Dec 9, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Mitch Noda 
mailto:mitchn...@ymail.com>> wrote:

Congratulations, Mike!

I will certainly watch it.

Happy Holidays to you and your family!

Warmest regards,

Mitch

On ‎Sunday‎, ‎December‎ ‎9‎, ‎2018‎ ‎06‎:‎59‎:‎33‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Michael Farmer 
via Meteorite-list 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
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I want everyone to know that National Geographic Explorer airs tomorrow. 
Episode is about me and meteorites in Morocco. Filmed
Last October. One year in the making. Many of our Moroccan friends will be 
featured.

Show : National Geographic Explorer.
Airs  Monday Dec 10 tomorrow.
Michael Farmer


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Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

It would be interesting to see if and how the land owner was able to purchase 
that section of Route 66 and its easement.

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On Jul 22, 2017, at 7:23 AM, John Hendry via Meteorite-list 
>
 wrote:

Karlis,

I swung past there in March last year on a bike trip. There is a gate across 
the old Route 66 road that provides access. The gate has a sign on it 
emphatically marked ‘No Trespassing’. Somebody more familiar with Arizona 
trespass laws might be able to advise of the possible consequences to flaunting 
the message. Certainly reachable if the sign is ignored (1/2 mile walk), though 
I wasn’t tempted myself. There’s some more info here…
http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/22334-road-closed-to-nininger-meteorite-museum/

Regards,
John

From: Meteorite-list on behalf of "Meteoriti.LV via Meteorite-list"
Reply-To: "Meteoriti.LV"
Date: Friday, July 21, 2017 at 8:09 AM
To: 
>
Subject: [meteorite-list] Nininger's Meteorite Museum Ruins

Dear Friends,

Could somebody tell if that is possible and how to reach the Ruins of the old 
Nininger's Meteorite Museum? I heard that the road is closed but is there any 
way to visit a place?

In a few weeks time we will visit US for the great Solar Eclipse and we have 
included Barringer crater in our car trip.
I have never been there at the site so I would appreciate any advise.
Thanks!

Best Regards,
Karlis Berzins
Meteoriti.LV
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Re: [meteorite-list] Stargazer gets a closer look at the Perseid meteor shower than he bargains for when glowing METEORITE lands in his back garden

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

He failed to mention that there are railroad tracks just on the other side of 
his fence.
And that his tossed cigarette butt landed alongside an old clinker!

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> On Aug 18, 2016, at 2:10 PM, David Pensenstadler via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sales of all smoking and burning meteorites are further suspended..
> 
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Tommy via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Oh my, me thinks not.
>> 
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3745346/Homeowner-makes-world-discovery-glowing-METEORITE-lands-garden-lights-cigarette-it.html
>> 
>> 
>> Regards!
>> 
>> 
>> Tom
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Collections - (was Possible meteorite trades)

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

Yea! That's it!  My 3 maxed out credit cards are with a collection agency!

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On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Anita via Meteorite-list 
>
 wrote:

I once heard that if you have 3 of anything, it’s a collection.
Anita

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From: Graham Ensor via 
Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 11:32 PM
To: Anne Black
Cc: meteorite list; Mendy 
Ouzillou
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collections - (was Possible meteorite trades)

We also have a one of biggest dust collections in our house...only comes second 
to the cobweb collection.
Graham

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:10 PM, Anne Black via Meteorite-list 
>
 wrote:
Frankly I try not to be a collector. Not anymore.
But I have a few hundreds mineral specimens taking over the house, mostly 
fluorites probably about 200 of those. And I have bookcases in every room of 
the house, most of them extremely full.
Yes I do call the minerals a collection, I keep track of the provenance, when 
bought, labels, etc.. but the books, no, there are books I picked up here 
and there because the subject interested me, mostly archaeology and ancient 
history.

So maybe we need a proper definition of what constitute a Collection. Stuff 
properly curated and catalogued?
Versus interesting stuff picked up here and there?

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com


-Original Message-
From: Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list 
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To: meteorite-list 
>
Sent: Tue, Jul 5, 2016 11:01 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorite trades

Like many of us, I have always been a collector. Rocks, fossils and minerals
were my first passion, I had a passing interest in stamps/coins as an older
child and then as a teenager collected comic books and comic book art. This
was at a time when many new alternative comic books came onto the scene like
Cerebus, Mage, Elementals, and even Teen Age Ninja Mutant Turtles. As an
adult, my wife and I began collecting art and building on the pieces created
by my father who was a master jeweler, painter and sculptor. We have really
eclectic tastes but focused on paintings, glass art and sculpture with
styles ranged from Russian impressionism to Huichol Yarn paintings, abstract
paintings to many pieces we had commissioned ourselves.

Then in the summer of 2011, I watched "Meteorite Men" and went off the deep
end for meteorites. 4 years after buying my first Sikhote Alins from Geoff
Notkin in October 2011, I decided to become a full-time meteorite dealer as
well as a full-time high tech consultant (yes, when you work for yourself
you can pursue more than one vocation full time). If finances allowed, I
would have also collected old katana swords as the craftsmanship, beauty and
Samurai ethos has always fascinated me.

Thank you Edwin for invigorating the list with a REALLY on-topic topic!

Best,

Mendy

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 On
Behalf Of Bob Falls via Meteorite-list
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:25 AM
To: 'Edwin Thompson' 
>;
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorite trades

Hi E.T. and all,

Very interesting that you collect marbles; I do not have any marbles to
trade however find it very interesting that most meteorite collectors do
have separate very unrelated collections.

Along with collecting meteorites I am a music collector.  This started back
in the 60's with records (vinyl) and then migrated into CD's.  I still have
most of the original vinyl collection and still search for out of print CD's
along with new music to add to the collection.  The collection is diverse in
types of music however mainly focuses on blues, classic rock and jazz.

There is a link between the collections; I listen to music while either
working on new specimens, cataloging new acquisitions or viewing thin
sections!!

Very interesting hearing from others on their "non-meteorite" collections.

Best Regards,
Bob Falls

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Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

I want what you guys are taking!  "Pots with paint brushes calling kettles 
names!
With reference to the Hupe brothers, if one was a different color, it might ease
some of the confusion as to who is who!  You so funny!

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On Jun 19, 2016, at 7:57 PM, Dark Matter via Meteorite-list 
>
 wrote:

Looks like we got the band back together on this one.

Cheers,

Martin



On Sunday, June 19, 2016, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>
 wrote:
This has strayed wy off the topic of meteorites...



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On 6/19/16 at 6:38 PM, MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Captain Blood wrote:
>
> "Hi all, Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
> The original phrase in this instance is
> "Pot calling the kettle black."
>
> =
> You are a cunning anthropologist Michael, but I disagree. The context is not 
> at all my affair, so I only comment on the use of Adam's original aphorism or 
> proverb he intended. Though there are even older proverbs capturing his 
> thought, I think he might have preferred to use the Sufi proverb from the 
> middle ages, hundreds of years before the pot/kettle abomination existed:
>
> "Many of the faults you see in others, dear reader,
> are your own nature reflected in them." (Rumi ca. AD 1250)
>
> The pot and kettle saying is so butchered from its origin and barely 
> resembles it, and yours is not the original. It is fair game to use as he 
> did, since there is no authority on such idioms and the interpretation is 
> supported, whether it sounds good to everyone's ear or only to some. I have 
> traced the origin of the pot/kettle proverb undisputedly to the ancient 
> Greek, "Snake and the Crab" and it intended hypocrisy, whereas the 
> reflection/coloring suggests that the accused reserves the right to be pure 
> and without fault, a different concept. Pot calling the kettle black is a 
> late-comer, and already a poor corruption of a 3000 year old proverb that 
> diminishes the original, so that is why I feel the writer can appropriate it 
> as they feel convenient and not be beholden to any higher authority on its 
> use due to the selection of an arbitrary point in time, and Adam has 
> referenced his with a less common modern variant. English is always evolving, 
> and this is a living example of how it ha
 pp
>  ens.
>
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
> >
> To: Paul Gessler >; Met. Adam Hupe 
> >; Meteorite List 
> >
> Sent: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 7:56 pm
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>
> Hi all,
> Teaching Anthropology, which includes linguistics, I began over
> 30 years ago to collect the origins of phrases.
> The original phrase in this instance is
> "Pot calling the kettle black."
> Michael Blood
>
>
> On 6/16/16 8:11 PM, "Meteorite List" 
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Pot Coloring The Kettle Black
>
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[meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

I guess no one read my note.  Bob and Adam still say "No Hunting!"  That's where
I need help.  New Mexico's National Forest supervisor said that one can hunt, as
long as it isn't for sale.  Just leave the 50 year old or older crap alone.  If 
there is a
clearer description of do's and don'ts in a document, please post it for all to 
see.
Dennis

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Dennis Miller >
Date: June 3, 2016 at 9:50:58 PM MDT
To: 
"meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
 
>
Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest



Sent from my iPad






From: Dennis miller >
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
To: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest



Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is or 
isn't

permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that don't 
do this for

a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter that I 
received from

the State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could and couldn't 
do.  I carried a

copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 Subpart 
8365, "Rules

of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and can't 
do.

They generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing something, 
 I would

like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter was from USGA state 
supervisor.

Thanks!  Dennis

P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a

outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our

lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: 
secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov



Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
>
Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
To: Dennis miller >
Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest

Hello,

Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National Forest. 
There are some roads that are closed but I don’t recall any near Glorieta.
>From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
>throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical 
>sites.  It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to not 
>remove any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers 
> before 
>embarking on a detecting mission.
No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following applies:
• Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand tools 
or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.
• Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be sold or 
bartered).
For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest to 
discuss permitting or authorization:
• Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or mechanized 
earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, ‘high banking’ or 
dry washing equipment.
• Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
specimens for re-sale.
• Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock.
The following items may not be collected or removed by casual collectors:
• Vertebrate fossils (dinosaurs bones, fish, - anything with a 
backbone), and shark teeth.
• Archeological resources 
 including 
any material remains of prehistoric or historic human life or activities, which 
are at least 50 years old, and includes the physical site, location, or context 
in which they are found including items such as old coins, metal implements, or 
utensils. (36 CFR 261.2)
The collection of projectile points, pottery, or any other archeological 
resource or artifact is not allowed (36 CFR 261.9 (h) without a permit. 
Projectile points include ‘arrowheads’ and any prehistoric human-modified stone.


Some forest roads do travel through private land and the owner of the land can 
lock the gate on the road at anytime. Going onto private property will need 
authorization from the land owner before you enter their land.

Hope that helped.


[Forest Service Shield]

Joshua Szopinski
Customer Service Representative

Forest Service
Santa Fe National Forest, Supervisor's Office

p: 505-438-5300
jszopin...@fs.fed.us

11 Forest Lane

[meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

Sent from my iPad






From: Dennis miller >
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
To: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest



Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is or 
isn't

permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that don't 
do this for

a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter that I 
received from

State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could do and couldn't.  I 
carried a

copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 Subpart 
8365, "Rules

of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and can't 
do.

The generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing something,  
I would

like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter went to the USGA state 
supervisor.

Thanks!  Dennis

P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a

outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our

lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: 
secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov



Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
>
Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
To: Dennis miller >
Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest

Hello,

Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National Forest. 
There are some roads that are closed but I don't recall any near Glorieta.
>From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
>throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical 
>sites.  It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to not 
>remove any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers 
> before 
>embarking on a detecting mission.
No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following applies:
* Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand tools 
or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.
* Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be sold or 
bartered).
For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest to 
discuss permitting or authorization:
* Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or mechanized 
earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, 'high banking' or 
dry washing equipment.
* Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
specimens for re-sale.
* Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock.
The following items may not be collected or removed by casual collectors:
* Vertebrate fossils (dinosaurs bones, fish, - anything with a 
backbone), and shark teeth.
* Archeological resources 
 including 
any material remains of prehistoric or historic human life or activities, which 
are at least 50 years old, and includes the physical site, location, or context 
in which they are found including items such as old coins, metal implements, or 
utensils. (36 CFR 261.2)
The collection of projectile points, pottery, or any other archeological 
resource or artifact is not allowed (36 CFR 261.9 (h) without a permit. 
Projectile points include 'arrowheads' and any prehistoric human-modified stone.


Some forest roads do travel through private land and the owner of the land can 
lock the gate on the road at anytime. Going onto private property will need 
authorization from the land owner before you enter their land.

Hope that helped.


[Forest Service Shield]

Joshua Szopinski
Customer Service Representative

Forest Service
Santa Fe National Forest, Supervisor's Office

p: 505-438-5300
jszopin...@fs.fed.us

11 Forest Lane
Santa Fe, NM 87508
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Re: [meteorite-list] $20,000 for the Maine meteorite fall.

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

Not sure what you read in the article but, I got that he thought the meteor 
could
have been as big as 5 feet in diameter and was hoping that someone could find
a softball size sample.  It is a wet and very wooded area with no roads. Oh, 
other
SWAGS  were,  Canyon Diablo: size of a house, Chelyabinsk: size of a bus, 
Almahata Sita: size of a van. 
Dennis Miller
IMCA #1434
Meteoritical Society #5745

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> On May 24, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Brian Cox via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm very curious as to how this gentleman at the Mineral Museum in Maine 
> determined that the Maine meteorite is approximately 5 inches in diameter, 
> and "about the size of a softball." 
> 
> Did he have a Super Telescope he was viewing it through at the time, or how 
> did he determine through weather or TV station, or parking lot cameras, or 
> cell phone video with some math equation that it was the size of a softball? 
> I honestly hope they find a piece that large, and that they find it by this 
> summer or fall before the first big snow in the area. 
> Brian Cox
> IMCA# 6387
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 04:09:23 -0700
>> From: "Shawn Alan" 
>> To: "Meteorite Central" 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] $20,000 for the Maine meteorite fall.
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Hello Listers
>> 
>> I guess there is a reward for a piece of the meteorite fall in Maine.
>> $20,000. I wonder if that's for the main mass, or a piece of the Lunar
>> meteorite?
>> 
>> Link:
>> http://www.khou.com/news/weird/museum-offers-reward-and-tips-to-find-meteorite/202576172
>> 
>> Shawn Alan
>> IMCA 1633 
>> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
>> Website http://meteoritefalls.com
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[meteorite-list] Aztec, NM Meteorite questions

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Hello, All!  Living just 8 miles from Aztec, NM, thought that I might do a 
little
fragment hunting.  I have a few questions, though.  First, I have read that 
Harvey Nininger sent his wife, Addie, to Aztec to purchase the only stone.
Does anyone know who she purchased it from?  Second,  what was the
flight path?  And finally, does anyone have a small piece for sale?  
Thanks!  
Dennis  IMCA #1434
P.S.  Also looking for a piece of Four Corners meteorite.

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Re: [meteorite-list] President Obama Places Over 265 Million Acres Of Land Off-limits

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This recent land grab is courtesy of California Senator Dianne Feinstein.  82 
year old
Senator who hates energy, peoples freedoms, and too few regulations on 
everything!

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> On Feb 12, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> I do agree that the government is terrible at administering anything,
> be it a local neighborhood dog park or a national forest. BLM rules
> are a mess and the enforcement is inconsistent at best.
> 
> But, one thing to remember is that government officials do not come
> from another galaxy and force their way into Congress. They are the
> cream of the private sector crop and we put them there. If government
> sucks, it's because we keep electing people who suck. Worse, 99% of
> the the choices we get to choose from also suck to roughly equal
> degrees.
> 
> What do we expect when we let a bunch of CEO's, lobbyists, hedge
> funders, washed out lawyers, and ego-tripped doctors run the
> government? And we get a selection of idiots to pick from every four
> years - some of those idiots have Ivy League credentials, and some do
> not, but they all suck.
> 
> Until the masses demand competent candidates based on merit and not
> charismatic fools with deep pockets, we will keep getting the same
> treatment every four years.
> 
> I don't care if the president or our congresspeople are black, white,
> male, female, religious, atheist, socialist, libertarian, gay,
> straight, or whatever. But, I think we should demand competence.
> Congressmen which no knowledge of science should not sit on committees
> responsible for funding scientific projects. Presidents or congressmen
> with no war-fighting experience should not be starting wars, etc. And,
> by extension, BLM rangers and officials should not be making or
> enforcing the rules of land management unless they have some degree of
> expertise in the academic/scientific/engineering or field aspects of
> the resources they govern.
> 
> So, back to meteorites and rockhounding - this is what happens when we
> elect people to oversee resource-rich lands who no background or
> interest in geology, forestry, or related fields.  The rank and file
> BLM field rangers might know their business, but they do not know the
> intricacies of the entire body of federal regulations that they are
> trying to interpret and enforce. The bureaucrats at the top of the
> chain are so far removed from the field, that they have no expertise
> with rocks, minerals, or natural resources - they are a bunch of
> former lobbyists, white collars, and people who have never had their
> hands dirty.
> 
> That's my two cents, actual worth may vary widely.  ;)
> 
> PS - I do not think Adam intended his post as racist or Islamophobic.
> People are getting a little too touchy these days. But, there is a lot
> of bigotry out there, so those are the days we live in and sometimes
> appearances matter more than substance. We have to be careful about
> what we say, where, and how we say it - and, how other people might
> interpret what we say or play semantics with our words. It sucks, but
> that's how it is.
> 
> [/rant]
> 
> Best regards and happy huntings,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> On 2/12/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Where I grew up in the Northwest, if a person is angry or disgusted, they
>> use the person's entire name to emphasize a point.  I knew there was trouble
>> 
>> when my mother called out to me, "Adam Charles Hupe, What have you done?"
>> instead of just, "Adam."  People are far too sensitive these days.   I do
>> not like it when a politician of any sort makes unilateral decisions without
>> 
>> public input.
>> 
>> Rock hounding used to be considered a healthy pursuit.  Now a huge corridor
>> 
>> is completely off limits practically in my back yard here in the Mohave
>> Desert.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15

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Hello, Adam and All..  Does anyone know the legality of a Native American being 
able to gather and sell meteorites found on a reservation?  
Dennis

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 On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:14 PM, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Interesting about the focus being put onto Native American cultures and the 
 importance they place on meteorites.  I am fortunate that my wife, who is 50% 
 Cherokee Native American, shares similar interests to this day.  She has 
 never once complained about my fascination and spending on artifacts, 
 meteorites and other collectables.  She recently joked about collecting land. 
  We will need it for the rock garden she has put together while spending a 
 great deal of time with the new and improved Team LunarRock in the field.
 
 Below is an image of my wife admiring a famous and controversial 800 pound 
 artifact that we purchased from the original finders and are storing among 
 other collectables.  Some of you may recognize this artifact from a 
 documentary show dedicated a complete episode to the piece.  I do not agree 
 with the show host's interpretations, felt the urge to rescue it from his 
 laboratory (studio) and purchased out from underneath them.  Many of these 
 shows have no respect for such things and are more concerned with shamelessly 
 promoting themselves.  I am onto a meteorite that weighs several times the 
 amount of this artifact, is located on private property which is for sale and 
 surrounded by lithic scatter meaning early man was drawn to it. It will 
 definitely be a pallet buster like this piece!
 
 Link to an image of my wonderful wife and a recent acquisition:
 
 http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/ZannWithBullArtifact.jpg
 
 
 Happy Hunting,
 
 Adam
 
 
 
  Original Message - From: Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 3:02 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] What's Happening; 2-18-15
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Enjoy
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
 Website http://meteoritefalls.com
 
 
 What's Happening; 2-18-15
 
 Cottonwood Meteorite Added to Exhibit
 
 March 1-Aug. 31
 
 The Verde Valley Archaeology Center located at 385 S. Main Street in
 Camp Verde will add the Cottonwood Meteorite to an exhibit running from
 March 1 to Aug. 31. The loan of these meteorites from the Arizona State
 University Center for Meteorite Studies was arranged with the
 cooperation of Dr. Lawrence Garvie, Research Professor at the ASU School
 of Earth  Space Exploration. The Center will be hosting Dr. Garvie for
 a free talk on meteorites on March 3, at 7 p.m., in the Phillip England
 Center for the Performing Arts, 210 Camp Lincoln Road in Camp Verde. The
 Center will also give monthly talks on the importance and uses of
 meteorites among ancient Native American cultures during the span of the
 exhibit. Visit verdevalleyarchaeology.org or call (928) 567-0066 for
 more information.
 
 Source:
 http://cvbugle.com/main.asp?SectionID=74SubSectionID=114ArticleID=45361
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[meteorite-list] Atlas of Meteorites

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

Yea!!! It made it here before the end of the year!  Got my Atlas of 
Meteorites today.  Intro was good reading.  It takes a 150 page lab report and 
condenses it down to a 1 or 2 page report with thin section photos, on a large 
number of common and not so common meteorites. 
Dennis 


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Re: [meteorite-list] FINAL Not met. Related - Friend On Meteorite List

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

It's not just California! It's the U S Department of Agriculture.  I recently 
ordered some rare conifer seeds from Ireland, to try here in New Mexico, only 
to receive an empty box with a confiscation letter  
inside saying how I was attempting to break the law.. The second batch 
made it through.  Monkey Tail Pines
The ag dept might snag anything from Thailand.  Might try cuttings from Hawaii.
Dennis

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 On Dec 8, 2014, at 8:11 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Thanks, again, Mike,
I will have to get my kiddie porn, drugs and illegal cigarets
 Some other way. 
To all, PLEASE CONSIDER MY REQUEST WITHDRAWN, and
 Thanks to everyone,
 Michael 
 
 
 On 12/8/14 6:50 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
 
 Of course it is, if in order to get around local laws! Arizona has very
 high-priced cigarette taxes. People were buying by mail and having them sent
 from other states.
 Lots of people went to prison for smuggling.
 Good luck with that.
 
 
 
 Michael Farmer
 
 On Dec 9, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Hi Mike,
   To the best of my knowledge, shipping within the US
 Is in no way a violation of law.
   Thanks, though, for your concern, Mike.
   Best regards, Michael
 
 
 On 12/8/14 5:51 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote:
 
 That is a crime, you really want someone to receive and ship goods to you 
 in
 violation of California law? They could be prosecuted for that.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Dec 8, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Michael Blood via Meteorite-list
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 NOTE: THIS IS NOT METEORITE INFORMATION
 
 Hi All,
  Hope you all had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
  As some of you know, I grow exotic plants, have a
 Greenhouse, etc.
  Unfortunately, CA is THE worst state when it comes
 To importing plants.
  I have taken to growing cuttings of Plumeria - the
 Tropical plant that produces the flowers used in Hawaii for
 Leis. There are some very exciting hybrids being grown in
 Thailand. However, though all of the other 49 states allow
 Importation, CA refuses - even though all cuttings have been
 Submerged in malathion for 30 minutes, have a governmental
 Declaration of same and no creature or fungus or the like could
 Ever survive even a 30 second dunk in the stuff.
  So, what I need is a friend on the list who is willing to receive
 Shipping and re-box them and send to me Registered Mail.
  Of course, I will pay all costs and get the person
 Free Priority Mail boxes and prepaid shipping labels
 So they do not have to stand in line at the post office or
 Anything like that. Just sign for the package, slip it in
 The Priority Mail box, print the prepaid label and drop
 It off at a post office without waiting in line.
  This needs to be someone in a state other than CA
 And is home to sign for the boxes when they arrive (a few times).
  If anyone is willing to do this for me I will cover all expenses
 And express my gratitude with a nice meteorite specimen.
  Please contact me off list and change the subject box
 So it does not read Meteorite List
  Thanks for your consideration, Michael
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] MASSSIVE Russian Event Asteroid? 14NOV2014

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

Methane explosion???

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 On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:06 AM, PolandMET via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Hi
 We all like to have Chellyabinsk x10 ofcourse but my first feeling was 
 nuclear explosion. Also there seems to be fog or dense clouds so the whole 
 flash will be false.
 But yes, this could be just big explosion in factory.
 
 -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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 http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
 http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
 
 
 
 
 I think some kind of explosion, aircraft or chemical plant. Meteor would be 
 faster and move. This was something else I think.
 
 
 Michael Farmer
 
 On Nov 18, 2014, at 10:05 AM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 List,
 What ever it was you will not want to miss these videos!
 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/11/russia-super-bolide-asteroid-strike.html
 
 Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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[meteorite-list] FW: 10/04/14 AZ Fireball: Sextant-Compass readings of Belmont, AZ smoke tr ail

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From: astror...@hotmail.com
To: scho...@mybluelight.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] 10/04/14 AZ Fireball: Sextant-Compass readings of 
Belmont, AZ smoke tr ail
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 20:59:04 -0500


 Hello Steve and all, Thanks for your hard work. When it comes down to a good 
starting point,
say using Kayenta or Hwy 160 as a reference, where would you suggest? I'm going 
to try to get
over to that area Sunday. If there is anyone that has begin a seach for this 
possible fall, give me
a shout. Would like to see a new fall in this area, even though it may be on a 
Reservation. May
have to brush up on my trading skills. 
Dennis Miller
Northwest New Mexico
astror...@hotmail.com
 



 Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 00:55:13 +
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] 10/04/14 AZ Fireball: Sextant-Compass readings of 
 Belmont, AZ smoke tr ail
 From: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 
 Hello all,
 
 I took a trip out to the Belmont, AZ Weather Service and stood in front of 
 the camera that took the photo of the smoke cloud 5 or 6 minutes after it had 
 ended. I had the photo in hand to estimate to the best of my ability as to 
 where the clouds were in the sky as related to Fremont Peak that morning. 
 These clouds might have dissipated somewhat and drifted slightly to the south 
 east 5 to 6 min after the fireball passed.
 
 I spent over an hour taking readings with my WWII Bendix A-7 sextant, and two 
 WWI British prismatic compasses, averaging the readings of each. 
 
 (BTW: these compasses are top notch, so good that they were used by sailors 
 lost at sea to find destinations even without a sextant. The WWII Bendix A-7 
 is a fantastic sextant and very accurate as well)
 
 Readings from the compasses: (Magnetic) 35 - 36 degrees Easterly direction.
 
 Sextant, after estimating where the clouds were over Fremont Peak.
 
 Top cloud (larger one): 13.0 degrees above horizon.
 
 Bottom cloud (smaller one): 7.25 degrees above horizon.
 
 Average between both as the two clouds are linked in a chain ~8.6 degrees 
 above horizon.
 
 The top cloud which is very dispersed after the six or so min after the 
 fireball end at 15:52:32 represents the start of the fireball, and from 
 reports it came in a a very steep angle ~45 degrees from the North East. This 
 fireball was observed from the Belmont location and others West of Flagstaff 
 including my all sky camera, as going DOWNWARD. If it rose up, or remained 
 stationary instead of downward as it did, then it would appear heading toward 
 and above the Belmont Weather station camera. In all sightings west of 
 Flagstaff it went DOWNWARD and to the East.
 
 So the higher cloud appears higher in the sky due to the fact that the 
 luminous flight began at about 60 miles or so. The smaller more defined cloud 
 is the lower one to the ground maybe 15 to 20 miles above ground and closer 
 to the Belmont Weather camera than the more distant larger dispersed portion 
 of the smoke cloud. 
 
 Do the trig. 13, 7.25 degrees above the horizon and an average between the 
 two above the horizon taking into account the downward angle of the Fireball 
 and the average assumed height between the beginning and the end of the event 
 between 60 and 15 miles above the ground.
 
 The larger cloud is most likely over 120 miles away from the camera. The 
 lower one most likely over 70 miles away from the camera.
 
 And the compass heading of 35-36 degrees is a magnetic heading, keeping in 
 mind the magnetic variation of 10.5 degrees to East of the the Celestial Pole 
 which is True North to which my all sky camera is aligned. 
 
 Draw your lines accordingly from the Belmont Weather Station at Navajo Army 
 Depot along that line of magnetic bearing 35-36 degrees average between the 
 two 35.5 degrees. If you transpose to a map that is aligned to the true 
 Celestial North, be sure to take into account the magnetic variation of 10.5 
 degrees in drawing the line.
 
 
 Steve Schoner.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, again!

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Bench mounted grinding wheel slag!!!  I've seen many, during machine shop clean 
ups..

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 On Oct 2, 2014, at 1:55 AM, Werner Schroer via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 I'm happy to announce that I'm the proud owner of an almost identical
 specimen. Since I don't want it to become contaminated I don't keep it in my
 display cabinets amongst the other meteorites but prefer to watch it rusting
 away in my sterile backyard.
 
 It is quite obvious that these objects are created in the mysterious
 underworld of Mars as a secret weapon for Gandalf who occasionally throws
 them in our direction to remind us that he's still alive, and NOT during
 welding processes as they happen every day on earth by the thousands.
 
 Cheers
 Werner Schroer
 Australia 
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
 Behalf Of Anne Black via Meteorite-list
 Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2014 9:20 AM
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Ebay, again!
 
 I have seen some very strange things on Ebay, but this one..!
 
 The Thing, the explanations, the proofs,...  Amazing!
 
 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metalic-object-from-Mars-Great-gift-for-a-serious-co
 llector-of-space-objects-GO-/221563298601?_trksid=p2056016.m2518.l4276
 
 
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 impact...@aol.com
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

Round trip Tucson to Managua $663,
Jeep rental and guide $475, CNN Picture of you standing on the edge of the 
crater, Priceless!!!

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 On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com wrote:
 
 Steiner, List,
 
 I agree that it is silly to associate 
 this tiny impact with 2014RC or any 
 fragment or co-travelling object 
 associated with it. I didn't say that, 
 the comment was ascribed in the article 
 to Nicaraguan authorities, who, it 
 should be said, know nothing about 
 meteorites. Not saying that to insult 
 them; it is simply the case.
 
 2014RC passed beneath the plane of the 
 Earth's orbit:
 http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/sbdb.cgi?sstr=2014+RCorb=1
 That alone makes any connection unlikely.
 
 Unlike Carancas, which was a near-vertical
 impact (70 to 80 degrees), this appears 
 to have been an impact from a lower angle, 
 perhaps 30-40 degrees or so. The crater 
 appears not to be perfectly circular but 
 to have a pushed-up back wall and to be 
 slightly eccentric (in the one photo).
 
 We should wait for more evidence...
 
 Actually, ANY evidence of an impacting 
 body is missing so far, other than the 
 likelihood that there must have been 
 one. If it had been an artillery shell 
 or bomb there would be metal fragments, 
 of course, but there doesn't seem to be.
 
 Sterling Webb
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 Behalf Of Steinar Midtskogen via Meteorite-list
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 10:53 AM
 To: Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Managua, Nicaragua meteorite?
 
 Without ruling out that this is indeed a meteorite impact, I take the near
 miss of asteroid 2014 RC rather as an argument against than for.
 Given the news exposure that the asteroid has had, early investigators might
 have jumped to conclusions.  We should wait for more evidence.
 
 The impact seems to have taken place about 13 hours before the closest
 approach.  That places it half a million km away or so.  The link seems to
 be a stretch.
 
 -Steinar
 
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 Kevin, List,
 
 It looks a great deal like the Carancas crater, although it's a little 
 smaller, about 80% of its size. The test would be:
 are there meteorites scattered about?
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