Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for high quality Sikhote Alin

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Me too but I haven't found any



> On 4 Jan 2016, at 21:20, Wah via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> Dear List, 
> 
> I'm looking for high quality Sikhote Alin specimens. 
> If you have such specimens for sale, please contact me. 
> Thank you very much! 
> 
> Best Regards, 
> 
> Wah!
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[meteorite-list] Dave Radosevich

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Dear List,

Is anyone able to get in touch with Dave? I tried sending him an email in 
response to something but hadn't got a reply.

Regards,
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin for sale, anyone?

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Dear List,

I'm still looking for a nice, thumbprinted Sikhote Alin preferably out of an 
old collection with the fusion crust still intact, somewhere around 700 grams. 
Do let me know if you've got one for sale, and if it's what I'm looking for I 
would like to buy it.

Many thanks,
El


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Re: [meteorite-list] NO RESERVE Meteorite Auction $500, 000.000 value!

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is there a list of realised prices for this auction?



> On 7 Dec 2015, at 05:23, Luc Labenne Meteorites via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
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> Hello List,
> 
> ARE YOU READY??? 500 000 USD meteorite auction!! Absentee bid welcome!
> 
> 200 Meteorites from 100 USD to 65 000 USD...There are only a few hours left 
> to be registered! 
> 
> An entire life's meteorite collection will be auctioned tomorrow Monday 7th. 
> EVERYTHING WILL BE SOLD! NO RESERVE PRICE! The collector Pierre Delpuech died 
> few months ago and the family decided to sell the meteorite collection, so 
> this is an estate auction! If there are no bids on a piece, then the 
> auctioneer will decrease the price until somebody bids and wins the 
> meteorite.  
> 
> Sculptural Irons, stunning Sikhote Alines, extra large Pallasites including a 
> 1.8kg Imilac thin slice, Two end cut of Krasnojarsk, lot of spheres including 
> a large 7.5kg Gibeon and many pallasite spheres  and much more. The auction 
> is in Paris on Monday, you can bid online now! I am the auction expert.
> 
>  href="http://lucienparis.com/html/index.jsp?id=25653&lng=fr&npp=1"
>  target="_blank" 
> class="newlyinsertedlink">http://lucienparis.com/html/index.jsp?id=25653&lng=fr&npp=1
> 
> Regards,
> Luc
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian skydiver nearly struck by meteorite

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Any news from Robert Ward, anyone? With the silence, you'd think it fell in 
North Korea instead of the South.

On 5 Apr, 2014, at 7:39,  wrote:

> Why do we have to waste time with this.? Giant fall two weeks ago in South 
> Korea and like 3 posts about it.
> Some idiotic crap and the lost goes wild.
> 
> Paul Swartz
> 
>> The internet is filled with production quality fake videos and stunts. 
>> Anyone with a $2000 Mac and a go-pro and some editing software can work 
>> magic these days.
>> Why is this one any more believable than the kid who said he had his head 
>> cut by a meteorite?
>> The news eats this crap up as fast as it can, yet when real meteorites fall, 
>> usually zero interest.
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Norwegian skydiver nearly struck by meteorite

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He says he's flying in front of Jon Vegard who then "enters the same airspace" 
as the rock. That rock might have come from Jon. 

On 3 Apr, 2014, at 23:51, Michael Farmer  wrote:

> Fake, absolutely mathematically impossible. More likely a small stone in his 
> pack came out when parachute deployed or scam. 
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Tom Randall  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>  Just saw this video. Not sure I buy it. What do you all think?
>> 
>> http://www.nrk.no/viten/skydiver-nearly-struck-by-meteorite-1.11646757
>> 
>> Regards!
>> 
>> Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: JINJU new fall

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Any luck Matija? The list's been unusually quiet about this Korean fall.

On 21 Mar, 2014, at 16:47, Matija Bericic  wrote:

> Dear hunters,
> I am looking for at least 5 g piece of new fall JINJU meteorite for
> research. Let me be your first customer. I am willing to pay a really
> good price if you can provide it very soon.
> Pls contact me offlist: matija.beri...@gmail.com
> Regards,
> Matija Bericic
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[meteorite-list] Admire pallasite nuggets

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Dear List,

Does anyone own a specimen of the admire pallasite nuggets as sold by 
kdmeteorites.com?

I'd like to hear some thoughts about the stability of the treatment process, 
the aesthetics of the resulting metal matrix and the general sentiment 
regarding an original meteorite which may be unstable versus the treated 
specimen which no longer looks it's original condition on Earth (but may have 
looked that way in space).

Regards,
El
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin

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Dear List,

Does anyone have a very aesthetic, nicely regmaglypted Sikhote Alin they'd like 
to sell?  Please let me know off list. 

Thanks,
El
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[meteorite-list] Sikhote Alin 475g

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Dear List,

Does anyone happen to know in whose collection this particular example of the 
Sikhote Alin 475g individual resides now?

It was sold by catchafallingstar.com some time ago and here is the link to 
pictures still on the website:

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/sa475.htm

Please PM me, offlist if you have any info on this piece.

Thanks very much.
El

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Re: [meteorite-list] Somewhat larger Chebarkul pieces off Russia 24 TV now

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beautiful. Awesome crust. I wonder what's the going rate for those bits.

On 19 Feb, 2013, at 11:19, Bjorn Sorheim  wrote:

> 
> I just photographed somewhat larger meteorites from
> Chelyabinsk/Chebarkul area off the russian TV channel Russia 24.
> Not so big, but improving.
> 
> Starting with image 36 the two first is what local kids collected,
> the next 3 is what a local woman had found. The last images
> is what state searchers collected probably from the lake.
> Found here (copy the link to the browser):
> 
> home.online.no/~bsoerhei/astro/meteor/metlist/
> 
> Bjørn
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian meteor composition

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Could the pink red colour be a reflection of the sun? It usually happens during 
sunrise/sunset when airplane contrails turn pink and red.

On 17 Feb, 2013, at 7:25, "Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D."  
wrote:

> Hi Rob et al,
> 
> I've spent several hours searching for different video footage of the 
> fireball, the "smoke" trail, the hole in the ice, etc.
> 
> First, can anyone point me to any scientific papers which attempt
> to correlate:
> a) the color of the "smoky" tail, and/or
> b) the color of the "fireball"
> with the type of meteorite?
> If so, I'd appreciate the reference(s).
> 
> It always seemed to me that the "smoke" was so white as to resemble
> condensed water vapor than any "burnt material."  At a couple of 
> intervals, some pink or orange tint appeared, but the trail was almost
> purely white.  That suggests to me that the meteoroid was largely
> ice, but I am no expert.
> 
> There are several videos zoomed in of the fireball itself (unless they 
> are fakes).  The color was orange-red, but perhaps if someone could
> access the camera(s) taking the pictures one might get a clearer assessment
> of the emitted spectrum.  
> 
> One thing that was notable from the fireball and the "smoke" cloud
> photos was that the object appeared to be quite flat and stable, the
> flames apparent at the two sides, with no flames in between.  The 
> "smoke" cloud seems to confirm this.
> 
> I don't think the symmetrically bifurcated incandescence and tail could
> have been produced by an object broken in two.  It looks like one 
> object "burning" at both ends.  Perhaps some experts in flight dynamics
> could tell us under what conditions we could expect that behavior.
> Any pointers to literature on the bifurcated entry would also be
> appreciated.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?

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If so, the $999 price is a steal!

On 16 Feb, 2013, at 1:01, Michael Farmer  wrote:

> It must have been delivered by SR71 Blackbird to alive arrived from Central 
> Russia to Nevada in less than 12 hours since impact:)
> Michael Farmer
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:53 AM, "Brandon D."  wrote:
> 
>> That is some lucky guy in Nevada to have a friend in Russia that could get 
>> him a specimen Leon the new fall so fast its already for sale on eBay!!!  Ha 
>> ha 
>> 
>> Happy Friday!!
>> 
>> Brandon
>> 
>> Dan Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> amazing videos coming out  Here the guy is driving and turns a corner.
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e686-i7woR4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Robin Whittle  wrote:
 The Russia Today page has video of the light of the meteor throwing
 moving shadows of buildings, in broad daylight.
 
 http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/
 
 There is a report of 100 people being injured, none seriously, and two
 photos of a "zinc factory" (maybe a galvanizing factory) which was hit
 and damaged.
 
 This video shows the smoke trail:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNPIyxwPlE
 
 Two YouTube videos which are better quality originals compared to the
 derivative versions in the news reports:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI
 
 - Robin
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?

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I won't be going...but I'll buy a piece! PM me if you get there and find 
anything.

On 15 Feb, 2013, at 23:43, Yinan Wang  wrote:

> Perhaps Marcin is trying to downplay it so he can get to the strewn field 
> first :) 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 7:00 AM, Michael Farmer  wrote:
> 
>> Too slow? Marcin, this is an extremely fast entry actually. Not a chance of 
>> space junk.
>> I am 99 sure this is massive iron meteorite. It splits into two pieces upon 
>> entry, and those two pieces then disrupt a few seconds later.
>> 
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 6:25 AM, "Marcin Cimala"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey
>>> I dont know but this looks to me like big space junk, not a meteor. Too 
>>> slow, too much smoke, no fragmentation like for example on Peekskill video.
>>> This will be interesting what did they find on the ground. Anyway I hope it 
>>> will be 10 ton lunar :D
>>> 
>>> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
>>> http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
>>> http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
>>> http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
>>> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 Most damage from shockwave so farinteresting pictures and comments
 here...satellite picture and impact on lake possibleeven one
 mentions bits for sale already
 
 Graham
 
 On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Robin Whittle  wrote:
> The Russia Today page has video of the light of the meteor throwing
> moving shadows of buildings, in broad daylight.
> 
> http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/
> 
> There is a report of 100 people being injured, none seriously, and two
> photos of a "zinc factory" (maybe a galvanizing factory) which was hit
> and damaged.
> 
> This video shows the smoke trail:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNPIyxwPlE
> 
> Two YouTube videos which are better quality originals compared to the
> derivative versions in the news reports:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI
> 
> - Robin
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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?

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When can we expect this to go on sale? ;)

On 15 Feb, 2013, at 22:43, Stuart McDaniel  
wrote:

> What a coincidence if it IS an iron!!!
> 
> Stuart McDaniel
> .(mobile)..
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:32, Graham Ensor  wrote:
> 
>> Yes Mark...I noted the double vortex smoke trailbut that can often
>> happen with single projectiles. My bet is an iron too.
>> 
>> Can't wait for news updates...seems reports of craters are coming in
>> but no pictures.
>> 
>> G
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Marcin Cimala  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm betting it's an Iron, Personally I don't think there's too much smoke,
 (look at the classic Skihote Alin painting for example!)
 
 What is strange is that in quite a few videos of the fireball there seems
 to be some odd features what I can only describe as 'puffs of extra fast
 smoke' spontaneously appearing almost like mini explosions along the
 trajectory as it travels. Maybe these are just shock fronts or water vapour
 from the supersonic trail, but ive not seem them before...
 
 
 Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hmm, but why there is double smoke trail ? Its unusual
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNPIyxwPlE
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
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>>> [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Marcin
 Cimala
 Sent: 15 February 2013 13:25
 Cc: METEORITE LIST
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?
 
 Hey
 I dont know but this looks to me like big space junk, not a meteor. Too
 slow, too much smoke, no fragmentation like for example on Peekskill video.
 This will be interesting what did they find on the ground. Anyway I hope
 it will be 10 ton lunar :D
 
 -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-
 http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl
 http://www.PolandMET.com   marcin(at)polandmet.com
 http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM: +48 (793) 567667
 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]
 
 
 
 
> Most damage from shockwave so farinteresting pictures and comments
> here...satellite picture and impact on lake possibleeven one
> mentions bits for sale already
> 
> Graham
> 
> On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Robin Whittle  
> wrote:
>> 
>> The Russia Today page has video of the light of the meteor throwing
>> moving shadows of buildings, in broad daylight.
>> 
>> http://rt.com/news/meteorite-crash-urals-chelyabinsk-283/
>> 
>> There is a report of 100 people being injured, none seriously, and
>> two photos of a "zinc factory" (maybe a galvanizing factory) which
>> was hit and damaged.
>> 
>> This video shows the smoke trail:
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsNPIyxwPlE
>> 
>> Two YouTube videos which are better quality originals compared to the
>> derivative versions in the news reports:
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI
>> 
>> - Robin
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) SALE

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Hi Steve, pardon me for the off-topic, but is your last name Arnold or Anold? 
It's been bugging me for some time now.

Regards,
Alf



On 8 Dec, 2012, at 23:20, steve arnold  wrote:

> Hello again list. I hope meteorites have fallen in texas. What a year
> it's been for falls. I have a 135 gram complete stone unclassified
> meteorite forsale with 92% fusion crust plus a 43 gram unclassified
> stone as well. These come with best offers as well. $200 for the 135
> gram stone, $75 for the 43 gram stone. Pics upon request and offlist
> with free shipping.
> 
> -- 
> Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ontario Meteor over 200 reports

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Dear List,
Just curious...
This meteor fireball passed at approx  22:00 hrs on 6/14/12.
There was also a near-earth astroid 2012LZ1 (nearly a city block wide)
that was supposed to pass by at approx 23:00 hrs on 6/14/12.
Could this have been a co-traveler (stragler) with the 2012LZ1 main mass?
Any relation? Anybody know?
Jonathan


- Original Message - 
From: "drtanuki" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:31 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ontario Meteor over 200 reports



Dear List,  This event was seen by hundreds.

Breaking News -MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball 14JUN2012
Breaking Meteor News - MBIQ Detects Ontario, Canada Meteor Fireball ~21:54 
14JUN2012


http://thelatestworldwidemeteorreports.blogspot.com/

http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/

Dirk Ross...Tokyo
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell & more meteorites ending on eBay soon!

[e...@meteoritesusa.com]

Hi All,

The use of the word "Hammer" when referencing/advertising meteorites, 
should only be used to describe an actual stone which hit an artifact 
(man made object).


Using the word "Hammer" or Hammer Fall" in advertisements to sell stones 
that are not actual Hammer-Stones is misleading and confusing, 
especially to new collectors. It can cause much more confusion later 
when those pieces are resold to other meteorite collectors because an 
inexperienced collector may say it is a fragment of a hammer stone, not 
understanding the difference between the terms "hammer stone" and 
"hammer fall".


An easy remedy for this, is to NEVER use the words "Hammer Fall" in 
advertisements. It's misleading, and confusing. Period.


Regards,
Eric




On 5/14/2012 10:10 AM, Anita Westlake wrote:

Thanks right, Steve. I own a quarter of a slice from the core from THE
meteorite that hit Mrs. Hodges.

There is a guy on this list who continues to call his non-hammer Hodges
meteorite The Sylacauga stone even after he was reported to the I.M.C.A. for
misleading the public. For that reason alone, I will never buy anything from
him. Yes, it is part of the Sylacauga fall, but not the house-hitter. I would
venture to guess that most of the public would not know the difference, and
that's what he's counting on!
Anita



- Original Message 
From: "meteorh...@aol.com"
To: Michael Farmer;
meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Shawn Alan
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Sent: Mon, May 14, 2012 11:30:10 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999,
Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell&  more meteorites
ending on eBay soon!

Mike and all,

I agree with you the marketing "Such and Such Hammer Fall" is very often
misleading and if such a term is ever used, I think there should be an obvious
express disclaimer that the piece being purchase is NOT from the one that
actually hit the object, unless of course there is documentation to prove that
it is from that specimen.   I would think the F.T.C. would agree.

However, I do want to correct you on one thing Dr. King was able to secure a few
grams of THE Sylacaga hammer that hit Mrs. Hodges via a core sample taken from
it. His records showed it did NOT come from the Smithsonian's specimen but
rather the museum that held it back in the 1960's. This was only a few grams
total and was sold to the market back in 1999.

The provenance should be strong with those pieces, and that data should have
been passed on for the lucky few that have a piece. Personally I would think
they should have a very significant premium over the "Non-Hammer Syclaga"
pieces.  A side note, due to the core shape, "full slices" of the core will be
coin shaped and part slices should have at least part of the edge in a arch.

Steve Arnold
Host of Meteorite Men
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michael Farmer
Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 22:39:54
To: Shawn Alan
Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999,
 Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City,
 Barwell&  more meteorites ending on eBay soon!

Except the sylacaga
Stone which hit the woman is actually in Alabama. The pieces of sylacaga in
collections are from the larger stone found later in a road. So actually none of
the private collections contain the woman hitting stone.

Otherwise having trouble following your post.
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On May 13, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan  wrote:


Now thats some proof :) and a hammer stone I think would turn heads from the
Sutter's Mill HAMMER STONE FALL. I bet when its said and done, there will be
more of stones found on top of builds and roofs within the area the meteorite
fell because of it fragmenting in the atmosphere, only time will tell. But for
those of you that collect hammer stones or meteorite from HAMMER STONE FALLS the
Sylacauge I would say is the king of all HAMMER STONE FALLS just for the fact
two stone came from that fall, making one a hammer stone as apposed to Sutter's
Mill HAMMER STONE FALL were there has been over 60 individual stones and
fragments found so far and more being documented. So in a since the probability
of a hammer stone will be alot higher than from Sylacauge HAMMER STONE FALL.


Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
eBay store
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html?
http://www.meteoritefalls.com/





From: Dan Miller
To: Michael Farmer
Cc: Shawn Alan; meteoritelist meteoritelist


Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999,
Barbotan man killer meteorite, LUCE', Forest City, Barwell&  more meteorites
ending on eBay soon!


List

There is another hammer stone but the owner   and her husband have not gone
public yet.  They will next week when she gets back home. This one em

[meteorite-list] Rainy Strewnfield?

[e...@meteoritesusa.com]

According to the weather channel it's supposed to rain today and 
tomorrow in the strewnfield. Good luck out there guys!


Congrats to those who've found stones!

Regards,
Eric
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Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS

[E]

Tell us some of these horror stories, please. It'll make for great fireside 
reading this season ;)

Alf



On 21 Dec, 2011, at 10:40, "Linton Rohr"  wrote:

> Yeah, I have a feeling it will show up eventually, Count.
> We just got some Christmas candy in SoCal, that was mailed from Sedona a 
> couple weeks ago. Seems it had to go through New Jersey on the way. Bad time 
> of year to ship via *any* carrier.
> I must say though, with my brother being a UPS driver, I've heard way too 
> many horror stories to use them!
> Best of luck to you,
> Linton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Bob Falls" 
> To: "'Don Merchant'" ; "'Count Deiro'" 
> 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS
> 
> 
>> I agree, do not give up hope!!!
>> 
>> It was not a package however our personal record is 8 months!!
>> My wife's sister sent us a Christmas card a few years back from Michigan in
>> December and it showed up in Colorado the following August.  We took the
>> optimistic view that is was not 8 months late for last Christmas it was 4 
>> months
>> early for the coming Christmas.
>> 
>> Hope your package arrives and all will be good for the New Year!
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Bob Falls
>> Colorado Springs, Colorado
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
>> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don 
>> Merchant
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 9:05 PM
>> To: Galactic Stone & Ironworks; Count Deiro
>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS
>> 
>> Don't give up hope. Several months ago I purchased a meteorite hunting book
>> from a seller on eBay. (I know your situation is a bit different monetary
>> wise, but both items have a common in that they still need to be delivered)
>> This was shipped media mail and was told delivery to be about 10 days or so.
>> 4 weeks later I inquired to the post office on this and gave them the number
>> the seller gave me. The Seller did ship the book the next day of the auction
>> as he said, and the package was last at a Pennsylvania USPS Office, mind you
>> the package was sent from Indiana going to New York State. Make a long story
>> short, the USPS could not track it any further then to Pennsylvania and I
>> was told to sit tight as it was media mail, it supposed to be slow. So I
>> asked the clerk if it would of been faster if the Seller had shipped by
>> Amish Horse & Buggy Express Mail. She was not happynor was I. I
>> basically chalked it up to lost or stolen but leaned more toward lost. Low
>> and behold one day I looked in my mailbox and there was the book. After 56
>> days the book arrived! Intact and in good order. Some time these 1 day, 2
>> day deliveries screw up too, just like any delivery, plus the mad Xmas rush
>> does not help. Hopefully sooner then later this will be found Count. I'm
>> Counting on it!
>> Sincerely
>> Don Merchant
>> - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
>> 
>> To: "Count Deiro" 
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 10:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LOSS OF METEORITE BY UPS
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Count,
>>> 
>>> That really stinks - to put it poetically.  ;)
>>> 
>>> It also reinforces my belief that UPS blows.  I had numerous problems
>>> with them in the past and their customer service is horrible.  I'd
>>> rather burn a package than give it to them.  I haven't used UPS in
>>> about 5 years now and I will never use them again.
>>> 
>>> If for some reason I cannot ship via USPS (such as a customer requests
>>> an alternate method), then I use Fed Ex.
>>> 
>>> Count - I wouldn't expect much sympathy or any sort of action to
>>> rectify the situation on the behalf of UPS.  You'll get a lot of nice
>>> talk and smooth words, but no action.
>>> 
>>> Well, I hope your meteorite eventually shows up.
>>> 
>>> I've been waiting over 8 weeks now for a valuable package from Canada
>>> and it is gone - I'm not sure who stole it, Canada Post or USPS.  But,
>>> this is one of only a small handful of problems I have had with USPS
>>> over the years of shipping thousands of packages.  By contrast, I have
>>> only used UPS about 10 times, and almost every time there was some
>>> sort of problem.
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> MikeG
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> *
>>> 
>>> Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer)
>>> 
>>> Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
>>> Facebook -  http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
>>> News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
>>> Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> 
>>> On 12/19/11, Count Deiro  wrote:
 Seasons Greetings Listees,
 
 Whish I had lee distressing news to share. It seems that UPS has lost my
 shipment of a CAT MOUNTAIN
 

[meteorite-list] Meteor seen from above.

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Anyone ever seen this before?...wow!

 http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/573236main_iss028e018218_full.jpg

Graham, UK
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[meteorite-list] New Kenya meteorite

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Another attempt at posting this to the list!!!

More hereInteresting hearing them report about the Carancas
"poisonings" at the end of the video I last posted!

and in this they suggest the meteorite was spinning when it landed?


http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Meteor+crashes+at+Kilimambogo/-/1056/1202250/-/13ulmhtz/-/

Posted  Saturday, July 16 2011 at 17:34


An unknown mass believed to be from outer space on Saturday fell near
Kilimambogo and Tala towns.

Initially, there were reports of an explosion in Kangundo, Tala, Yatta
and Kakuzi before an extra-terrestrial rock fell at around 10 am.

Area residents say the loud sound was comparable to a bomb explosion
or a crashing aircraft while others felt it was an earthquake.

Police and military officers from Thika rushed to the scene at
Kiumwiri village, Murang’a county. The military later took away the
object for expert analysis.

The black smooth rock weighing about five kilos fell at a maize
plantation, 60 meters from a nearby homestead, but no one was harmed.

Lt Col J.N. Vungo, the commanding officer of the 12th Engineers
Battalion, said initial assessment indicate that the object was not
manmade and was believed to have come from outer space.

“We got conflicting reports from Kilimambogo area indicating that an
aircraft had crashed or a bomb had exploded in the area and jointly
with the police we mobilised our officers to find out what was
happening,” he said.

On locating the scene, security personnel sealed off the area, which
was attracting curious residents.

“We believe it is a heavenly body, probably a piece of a meteor that
may have disintegrated on entering the earth’s atmosphere,” said Lt
Col Vungo, who was accompanied by Thika police boss Paul Leting.

Mr Vungo said reports from Ndunyu Sabuk area indicated that a bigger
object was seen in the skies before it disintegrated after a loud
blast.

The official said according to witnesses, the object raised a cloud of
dust on hitting the ground, was extremely hot and was spinning on
impact.

“Meteors often lose stability and fly away from their orbit, but they
burn out on entering the atmosphere due to friction, Lt Col Vungo
said.

However, he added that it was a rare occurrence in the East African region.

An eye witness Ms Jane Wangui Kibugi said she was only 50 meters away
when the object fell.

“I saw a cloud of dust and when I went closer I found the black smooth
stone, which had dug a hole on the ground,” she said.



Great to have another new fall to ponder.

Graham
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[meteorite-list] New Kenya meteorite

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Trying to send this again as does not seem to be getting to the
listapologies if it gets through twice...

Ok thenwho's flying out to look for more of this?   ;-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXtZpGTvok

The locality as Kilimambogo between Thika and Kangunde (1 deg. 3 min.
46.3176 sec. South; 37 deg. 14 min. 22.3152 sec. East).

Thanks to David from BIMS for the heads up.

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite or not?

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Guess I should have Googled it.


- Original Message - 
From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 5:40 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite or not?




Richard,
Good one!

I thought most of the Mekong Delta material was hematite.

Phil Whitmer



JonathanI think one paddles upstream.

:>))
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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite or not?

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

M22protosun,
Did the same thing when I began collecting. Bought several, sold as:
"iron/nickel meterites" : ^ (
Question. How did you track the source to "Mekong River"?
Jonathan
ICMA 3922


- Original Message - 
From: "m42protosun" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite or not?



Hi list,
when I started collecting meteorites I had bought such item fron an IMCA 
member as "NANTAN". The reality is that it is "Mekong River Iron" . The 
simple negative  Ni-Test shows that it  contain not yet more than 0.1 
ppm Ni metal, a MUST of iron containing meteorites.

m42protosun

-Original-Nachricht-
Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite or not?
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 08:05:33 +0200
From: Dan Furlan 
To: met-list 

I'm not 100% sure but i don't think this item on ebay is a meteorite
120738890611

link to item:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/2-6LB-Original-Iron-Meteorite-Specimen-China-/120738890611?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c1c994373
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Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Al,
I have purchased specimens from Todd over several years now.
I am looking at some of these as I write this, which he personally found
in the Whetstone Mountains, and in the Buck Mountains, of Arizona.
And which, are unquestionably authentic
SOMEONE HAS MADE A HUGE MISTAKE HERE,
and should retract their error.
Jonathan Dongell
ICMA 3922



- Original Message - 
From: "Dave Gheesling" 
To: "'Don Merchant'" ; "'al mitt'" 
; 

Cc: "'Chris Spratt'" 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 6:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar 
Meteorites



Thanks again, Frank, for forwarding my below note earlier today when I was
on a web interface and couldn't directly post to the list.  Since the "scam"
and "fraud" notion is still being floated with Todd's name on it, I'm
posting again directly here so it's at least in the archives.  Apologies for
the redundancy...

Hello List,
While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a "possible
scammer" other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely
following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR
ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest
people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the
meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the
recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything
other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure.
All the best,
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-Original Message-
From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Don
Merchant
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 8:06 PM
To: al mitt; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: Chris Spratt
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar
Meteorites

Hi Al and the rest of the List. I agree totally with you Al. One thing as
you mentioned that I have noticed over the years is that there is that
chance someone can get hurt by accusations of fraud ect. Yet how can this be
done so as to avoid this? I have an idea that might work but may need
refining. Maybe we can ask the List for 2 or 3 volunteers who 1) Has been a
Listie of good and long standing. 2) Has built an excellent reputation of
their name in the meteorite community, which includes experience with buying
and selling meteorites, with knowledge of meteorite composition both
internal and external. 3) Last but not least, always desired to be a CSI and
so a great opportunity to be an MFI or Meteorite Fraud Investigator. I
myself like MFS "Meteorite Fraud Squasher!" Anyways...The List could vote 2
or 3 MFI's that have an interest. How this vote could be doneI don't
know, but I am sure with all the brilliant minds that this List has, that a
great suggestion is out there. These would be the people that the rest of
the List would contact (via another email) when a fraudulent situation takes
place. Now the rest of the List is not exposed to any allegation. The MFI's
would research the history of the suspected Dealer/Seller in a fair timely
fashion and communicate with the other 2 MFI's of their findings. Finally if
the situation is found to NOT be fraudulent, the MFI's need only contact the
person that thought fraud was taking place and explain their findings. Now
all is calm on the List. If however the findings show fraud (several very
strong circumstantial evidences could warrant fraud) Then the MFI's could
officially announce this to the List! Though the IMCA does something
similar, not everyone on this List is a Member of the IMCA. It would be
beneficial anyways, in having 2 entities helping to combat the destruction
of our collections and reputations as meteorite collectors, sellers,
dealers, and hunters, especially since the Meteorite Central List doesn't
appear to be going away for a very long time if ever. Maybe a bi-monthly or
monthly email to the entire List as a reminder of who to contact (MFI's) if
fraud is suspected. We need to all watch our backs. It will only get worse.
Lets not allow differences between dealers and or mistakes stand in the way
but rather concentrate on the benefit for all of us, to rid of this pandemic
air borne disease of meteorite fraud. This hurts every single collector on
this List, whether I like you or you don't like me bla bla bla...the bottom
line is we have a common interest and that is the love of this great hobby.
Lets protect it. Just my 2 cents is all. I know it sounds silly, but the
bottom line is Al is right, and somehow we need to stomp out these "greedy
meteorite flea fakes!" Say that 3 times fast! It's FAKES not FLAKES lol
Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html
IMCA #0960
- Original Message -
From: "al mitt" 
To: 
Cc: "Chris Spratt" 
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar
Meteo

Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams and provenance

[e-mail ensoramanda]

I can't say that mixing up all their pictures/samples really instills
me with confidence in a bill of sale from Bonhams!

Graham

On 14 April 2011 04:47, Shawn Alan  wrote:
> Yinan
>
> I would have to agree the bill of sale from a world renowned auction house 
> says it all.
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBaystore
> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html
>
>
>
>
> Bonhams and provenance
> Yinan Wang veomega at gmail.com
> Wed Apr 13 23:37:14 EDT 2011
>
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>
> 
> Hi List,
>
> Thought I'd chime in on this subject since I'm in the auction industry.
>
> Privacy (and anonymity) is one of the principles of the auction
> industry. The consignor or direct previous owner is kept private
> unless they wish to be recognized, at which point it is up to a
> department's director whether or not to include them in the
> description of an item. Well recognized provenance, such as from The
> British Museum, or Nininger, would normally be shown in the
> description while the direct previous owner or consignor will not be
> unless it is agreed upon.
>
> Of course a potential buyer can certainly ask to be put in contact
> with the previous owner, but it's up to the consignor whether or not
> they want to respond.
>
> Also, a bill of sale from an auction house is usually really good for
> authenticity and provenance since auction houses are supposed to
> guarentee the titles of items.
>
> -Yinan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:19 AM,  wrote:
>
>> That is a heckuva good question, John.
>
>>
>
>> I've contacted Bonhams about provenance on lots I've won and was told by the 
>> head guy that they do not release information about the consignor, but they 
>> would send an email on my behalf. So far, no consignor has responded.
>
>>
>
>> Sometimes Bonhams will state the name of the collection from which an item 
>> came and I've tried direct contact based on that info, to no avail.
>
>>
>
>> I am currently negotating the sale of a piece and the potential buyer is 
>> insistant on documentation, which I have been unable to get. Very 
>> frustrating, especially from an auction house. One would think they would 
>> live or die on provenance, especially for items that cost a bunch.
>
>>
>
>> Paul Swartz
>
>>
>
>>> I have a question about the exceedingly rare meteorites in question.
>
>>> Why does Bonhams devalue these meteorites by stripping them of their 
>>> provenance
>
>>> and chain of ownership history? Why are they being sold without the 
>>> supporting
>
>>> information of where they originated from? It does not seem to be in the 
>>> best
>
>>> interest of the buyer
>
>>>
>
>>> Best Regards,
>
>>> John Higgins
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams and provenance

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Seems they have been working on it...they have also added that they
are fro a Canadian collector.

Graham

On 13 April 2011 20:21, Rob Wesel - Mobile Device  wrote:
> I have contacted Bonhams and they will be sorting the planetaries out.
>
>
> valpar...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>That is a heckuva good question, John.
>>
>>I've contacted Bonhams about provenance on lots I've won and was told
>>by the head guy that they do not release information about the
>>consignor, but they would send an email on my behalf. So far, no
>>consignor has responded.
>>
>>Sometimes Bonhams will state the name of the collection from which an
>>item came and I've tried direct contact based on that info, to no
>>avail.
>>
>>I am currently negotating the sale of a piece and the potential buyer
>>is insistant on documentation, which I have been unable to get. Very
>>frustrating, especially from an auction house. One would think they
>>would live or die on provenance, especially for items that cost a
>>bunch.
>>
>>Paul Swartz
>>
>>> I have a question about the exceedingly rare meteorites in question.
>>> Why does Bonhams devalue these meteorites by stripping them of their
>>provenance
>>> and chain of ownership history? Why are they being sold without the
>>supporting
>>> information of where they originated from? It does not seem to be in
>>the best
>>> interest of the buyer
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> John Higgins
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Zagami LOT in question and others May 17th 2011 NYC.

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Most of the lots have now been changed but still one does not  seem
right..eg

"A partial slice of the lunar NWA 2727 chassignite meteorite."

http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/WService=wslive_pub/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=usa&screen=LotDetails&iSaleItemNo=4984589&iSaleNo=19371&iSaleSectionNo=3&sServer=http://images2.bonhams.com/&sPath=2011-04/13/8295255-7-2.jpg

Didn't know there were lunar chassignites!!! Think it should be 2737
and read Martian.

Graham



On 13 April 2011 08:22, MEM  wrote:
> All three images might be a lunar but in no way Zagami-- a dun colored rock.
>
> Elton
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message 
>> From: Shawn Alan 
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Sent: Wed, April 13, 2011 3:12:59 AM
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Zagami LOT in question and others 
>> May
>>17th 2011 NYC.
>>
>> Hello Listers
>>
>> In NYC on May 17th 2011 Bohams is having a Natural History  auction and there
>>are some nice meteorites up for auction. However, I was  viewing the LOTS and 
>>I
>>noticed that a 5.6g Zagami slice does not look like a  Zagami from what I have
>>seen and what I have owned. Here is a link to that  lot
>> http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3168/ take a look and see if  
>> you
>>agree with me or not. Also, I noticed other LOTS where the images do not  
>>match
>>up with what they are auctioning  off.
>>
>> Nakhla
>> http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3172/
>>
>> Here  is a Nakhla image from the  Smithsonian
>> http://nhb-acsmith1.si.edu/emuwebmsweb/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=1001071
>>
>> Dar  al Gani  400
>>
>> http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3177/
>>
>> The matrix  is darker then what I have seen. From what I can tell, it should 
>> be
>>a neutral  gray and white clasts.
>>
>> Now I am not sure if I am correct or incorrect but  I am wondering if they 
>> have
>>mixed up the images of the LOTS or I am blind. But  at any rate, take a look 
>>and
>>see what I mean by some of the  LOTS.
>>
>>
>> Shawn Alan
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>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Zagami LOT in question and others May 17th 2011 NYC.

[e-mail ensoramanda]

I agree Shawn...The first two do look lunar though...but not the ones
they say...and the last looks like the NWA Chassignite 2737!!!

I just looked through some others and I think several other of the
lunar slices are mixed up too.

They need to be told I think before they get circulated under the
wrong names or folks end up getting something different from the
photos when they bidnot good.

Perhaps someone on this list is auctioning them through Bonhams?

Graham, UK



On 13 April 2011 08:12, Shawn Alan  wrote:
> Hello Listers
>
> In NYC on May 17th 2011 Bohams is having a Natural History auction and there 
> are some nice meteorites up for auction. However, I was viewing the LOTS and 
> I noticed that a 5.6g Zagami slice does not look like a Zagami from what I 
> have seen and what I have owned. Here is a link to that lot
> http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3168/ take a look and see if you 
> agree with me or not. Also, I noticed other LOTS where the images do not 
> match up with what they are auctioning off.
>
> Nakhla
> http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3172/
>
> Here is a Nakhla image from the Smithsonian
> http://nhb-acsmith1.si.edu/emuwebmsweb/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=1001071
>
> Dar al Gani 400
>
> http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19371/lot/3177/
>
> The matrix is darker then what I have seen. From what I can tell, it should 
> be a neutral gray and white clasts.
>
> Now I am not sure if I am correct or incorrect but I am wondering if they 
> have mixed up the images of the LOTS or I am blind. But at any rate, take a 
> look and see what I mean by some of the LOTS.
>
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> eBaystore
> http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] freebies to go

[e-mail ensoramanda]

$10.2765 a gallon here in the UK

Graham

On 8 April 2011 11:28, steve arnold  wrote:
> Good morning list.5:30 AM RISE AND SHINE! Hey I have lots more freebies to 
> give
> away.Unclassed stones and black campo crystals. 8 people have chimed in  and I
> still have 12 more to go.Remember USA only because of postage rates.Almost as
> bad as gas prices.In chicago area its over $4 a gallon.Anyway,have a great day
> all.
>  Steve R.Arnold, Chicago!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Color of OC's by Staining or by Trace Elements

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Greg,
Guess I owe you a milkshake
I thought you were asking what type of environment (i.e. from an external 
source)

might cause a stoney to change color over time. In other words, to cause
redoximorphic features. We see this a lot in my line of work. So, I assume
it must happen to stoneys as well, over time. I did not understand you were
asking about existing-material colorations. MY BAD : o (

May I recommend Cold Stone or Baskin Robbins. : o }
Jon Dongell
ICMA 3922



- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Gilmer" 

To: "Thunder Stone" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Color of OC's by Staining or by Trace Elements



Hi Greg and List,

Great question Greg.  I'm curious to hear what the experts have to say.

Some OC's start out as white or light-grey - like some LL6 types.
That is why some LL6 meteorites are mistaken for lunars or eucrites -
because they lack chondrules and have that whitish color.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 3/30/11, Thunder Stone  wrote:


Hi List:
I hope everyone is well.
I have a question regarding the 'color' of OC's through staining by some
mineral influx or by oxidation.  It appears most fresh OC's start out as 
a
light beige or tan color; then through time the metal rusts and they 
often

turn yellowish, orange, or brownish - this make sense.  My questions is
this:
What other colors can they become, blue or green?  What element(s) result 
in

different colors?  What different weathering processes are involved?
The reason I ask is because I have a weathered meteorite that is dark 
green
in color; it looks like jade and I have not seen any like this one 
before.

I have also and seen OC's with a 'black' color, what causes that?
Thanks,
Greg S.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Color of OC's by Staining or by Trace Elements

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Oops. I left the word "sulfide" out of my response (see below)
I'll  bet a chocolate milkshake : o ) you are seeing manganese (or Mn-Fe 
combo) SULFIDE weathering.

EDS can verify this.
Jonathan
ICMA 3922




- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan E. Dongell" 
To: "Thunder Stone" ; 


Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Color of OC's by Staining or by Trace Elements


I'll  bet a chocolate milkshake : o ) you are seeing manganese (or Mn-Fe 
combo) weathering.

EDS can verify this.
Jonathan
ICMA 3922


- Original Message - 
From: "Thunder Stone" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Color of OC's by Staining or by Trace Elements



Hi List:
I hope everyone is well.
I have a question regarding the 'color' of OC's through staining by some 
mineral influx or by oxidation. It appears most fresh OC's start out as a 
light beige or tan color; then through time the metal rusts and they often 
turn yellowish, orange, or brownish - this make sense. My questions is 
this:
What other colors can they become, blue or green? What element(s) result 
in different colors? What different weathering processes are involved?
The reason I ask is because I have a weathered meteorite that is dark 
green in color; it looks like jade and I have not seen any like this one 
before.

I have also and seen OC's with a 'black' color, what causes that?
Thanks,
Greg S.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Color of OC's by Staining or by Trace Elements

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

I'll  bet a chocolate milkshake : o ) you are seeing manganese (or Mn-Fe 
combo) weathering.

EDS can verify this.
Jonathan
ICMA 3922


- Original Message - 
From: "Thunder Stone" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:11 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Color of OC's by Staining or by Trace Elements



Hi List:
I hope everyone is well.
I have a question regarding the 'color' of OC's through staining by some 
mineral influx or by oxidation. It appears most fresh OC's start out as a 
light beige or tan color; then through time the metal rusts and they often 
turn yellowish, orange, or brownish - this make sense. My questions is this:
What other colors can they become, blue or green? What element(s) result in 
different colors? What different weathering processes are involved?
The reason I ask is because I have a weathered meteorite that is dark green 
in color; it looks like jade and I have not seen any like this one before.

I have also and seen OC's with a 'black' color, what causes that?
Thanks,
Greg S.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Thanks for the reply Mark,

An interesting story and explains the rust. I wonder where the main
mass of Park Forest resides at this moment then. Would be very
interesting to find out if he still has it or did indeed sell it to
someoneperhaps someone on this list?

Graham

On 27 March 2011 18:26, Mark Hammergren  wrote:
> The Olympia Fields gentleman whose lawn this stone fell into returned to town 
> more than a week after the fall. When he got back, he saw a hole in his front 
> yard, along with a "whole bunch" of stone chips in his driveway. He assumed 
> the city parks department, which was maintaining a park nearby, had left this 
> mess on his property. So he swept up and threw away the stone chips (yes, 
> this is painful, I know!), and called the city to come repair his lawn.
>
> The workers dug up the hole, found the meteorite, and recognized it for what 
> it was. Then, amazingly enough, they knocked on his door, gave it back to 
> him, told him they thought it was a meteorite and likely worth a lot of 
> money, and went on their way.
>
> He called me a little while after that, said he thought he had a meteorite, 
> and wondered if I could verify that's what it was. I'd received hundreds of 
> such inquiries, with only a few of them proving to be meteorites, so I was 
> doubtful. But when he gave me his address, which was right at the high mass 
> end of the strewnfield, and described the stone, I had a suspicion his rock 
> might be the real thing. When I got a chance to examine it in person, it was 
> unmistakable. Quite rusted from spending two weeks in soggy sod, yes, but a 
> genuine Park Forest meteorite.
>
> I took some photos and weighed it, then took him and the stone down to the 
> Field Museum, where their meteorite collections manager (at the time) 
> examined it herself. I walked the gentleman back to his car, advised him that 
> while his meteorite was of significant scientific interest, it was also quite 
> valuable to collectors (museum ethics forbids me from giving specific 
> appraisals). I made sure he understood that since the meteorite fell on his 
> property, he legally owned the meteorite, and that no other public or private 
> organizations had a claim on it. He asked if I could recommend a meteorite 
> dealer, but museum ethics similarly forbid me from recommending a specific 
> dealer. I referred him to IMCA, and also said he could simply Google 
> "meteorite dealer". He left, and I never heard any more from him.
>
> If someone has subsequently dealt with the owner, and knows more about what 
> happened to the stone, I'd be interested in hearing about it.
>
> Best regards,
> Mark
>
> --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Michael Gilmer  wrote:
>
>> From: Michael Gilmer 
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass
>> To: "e-mail ensoramanda" 
>> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 9:04 AM
>> Hi Graham, Bill, and List,
>>
>> That was my initial reaction as well.  I have never
>> previously seen
>> the photos that Bill posted, and I was expecting velvety
>> black crust
>> as well.  This stone looks like it has seen better
>> days.
>>
>> I'd be curious to hear more about the circumstances of it -
>> where it
>> was found, when, etc.
>>
>> Best regards and happy huntings,
>>
>> MikeG
>>
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>> On 3/27/11, e-mail ensoramanda 
>> wrote:
>> > Just wondering why the Park Forest Main mass looks old
>> and weathered
>> > in the photograph?
>> >
>> >  Was it found much later. I was expecting to see
>> fresh crust and
>> > matrix. I would never have guessed it was Park
>> Forest.
>> >
>> > Graham, UK
>> >
>> > On 27 March 2011 09:38, Steve Witt 
>> wrote:
>> >> Bill,
>> >>
>> >> Was wondering if you any other detail of this main
>> mass. Finder? Location?
>> >> Date of find? etc.
>> >>
>> >> thanx,
>> >> Steve
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Steve Witt
>> >>

Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Just wondering why the Park Forest Main mass looks old and weathered
in the photograph?

 Was it found much later. I was expecting to see fresh crust and
matrix. I would never have guessed it was Park Forest.

Graham, UK

On 27 March 2011 09:38, Steve Witt  wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Was wondering if you any other detail of this main mass. Finder? Location? 
> Date of find? etc.
>
> thanx,
> Steve
>
>
> Steve Witt
> IMCA #9020
> http://imca.cc/
>
>
> --- On Sat, 3/26/11, bill kies  wrote:
>
>> From: bill kies 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest Main Mass
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Saturday, March 26, 2011, 9:44 PM
>>
>> Thanks to Mark Hammergren, we have images of the Park
>> Forest main mass. At least, the largest one I know of. 5260
>> grams.
>>
>> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit.jpg
>>
>> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmmedit.jpg
>>
>> http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/razor_wire/pfmainedit2.jpg
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK) iron meteorite fall required

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Think I read through the report...or some of it... just before I
visited the Cranbourne strewnfield lastwill try and remember where
and attempt to track it down again.

Cheers,

Graham

On 22 March 2011 20:53, martin goff  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone have a copy of the following paper by Walter Flight:
>
> 'Report of an Examination of the Meteorites of Cranbourne, Australia;
> of Rowton, Shropshire; and of Middlesbrough, in Yorkshire'  published
> by the Royal Society of London
>
> Any help much appreciated!
>
> Cheers
>
> Martin
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 21, 2011

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Amazing and beautiful! size?

Graham

On 21 March 2011 03:10, Michael Johnson  wrote:
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_21_2011.html
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Dirk must be ok as he just replied to my email about places to visit
with meteoritesI am supposed to be flying out there next week, but
not sure what will happen now...early days.

No details from him about damage but the Tsunami was devastating along
the coastal regions and is now rushing across the Pacific...buildings
in major cities have survived remarkably well it seems...hope everyone
else in its way will be ok.

Dirk was implying that other earthquakes may yet be triggered however.

Graham, UK

On 11 March 2011 07:28, Brian Cox  wrote:
> Just heard on TV and online that the earthquake in Japan was upgraded to 8.9
> from 8.8 with 10 meter Tsunamis off the coast.
>
> I hope Dirk and others we know in Japan are alright.
>
> All the best.
>
> Brian
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42023385/ns/world_news-asiapacific/?gt1=43001
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Re: [meteorite-list] General List Policies/ rules

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Well said,

Graham

On 10 March 2011 05:38, habibi abdelaziz  wrote:
> hello all,
>
> first i want to say that this is good news that two big hunters are home with
> there family,and enjoying life again,very happy to har this fantastic news
> after spending two month in a bad dream,
>
> segond i think that the list rules must improve and change to better rules,
> that  can keep this list more polit and that we can make it international 
> with a
> big audiance,and more members,
>
> one thing  rules are important.
>
> 1= no one has the right to publicly attack an other one,  this is the limit of
> the democracy
> you can attack a person opinion but not the person himself as an entire 
> entite,
> you do not agree with X or Y adea  but do not attack him, this two difrent
> things
>
> 2= private life and personnal matter must not be on the list we discuss stones
> we have to leave the rest out of the list,
>
> 3= if we have meteorite as a passion we have also other bissuness and other
> friend and family
> anyone googling your name will find all the private fight on the list and will
> take you as that, as he is not in the context, and all the post on the list 
> are
> in  the archives and will stay forever so we must think to protect our
> reputation for  now and the futur,like usinf other id in the list
>
>
> so if i m out of the list and i read MB post i will think to many bad things
> ambiguites,so indirectly even if  you want to help
> MF you are with good or bad well destroying his reputation ,personnal matter
> must stay out:you do not have the right: absolutely not
>
> everyone has his own problem , but never , i say never, no one  has the right 
> to
> attack anyone you can argue adea or opinion but never a private or a 
> confidence
> or a personal issue must not be public,
>
> no one is immune against problems, life is full of surprise but do not bring
> that to the list;
>
> on other hand a civilised and polit debat are always welcome;
>
> i do not see also why a man hurt an other what are the goals, you think this
> will help,
>
> the matter to stop someone from the list or let him back must be a democratic
> issue discusion between art and  a team voted by list member to manage the 
> list
> and helping art to take a wise decision
>
> my 1.dirhams
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another Odd Item on Ebay

[e-mail ensoramanda]

If it relates to all the others he is selling at the moment as
meteorites they are definitely not meteorites...most look like
hematite.

Graham

On 9 March 2011 23:47, Ed Deckert  wrote:
> The photos are out of focus or too dark, so it could be anything.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Thunder Stone"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:10 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Another Odd Item on Ebay
>
>
>>
>>
>> List:
>>
>> Found this on Ebay - quite odd I must say.  I love the first sentance in
>> the description, "This Specimen is very similar to a golf ball"
>>
>> I think that's a red flag.
>>
>> The question is: What is it?
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/Iron-Ball-Meteorite-Five-Colors-Surface-Mexico-/180635286607?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a0eb3bc4f
>>
>> Greg S.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???

[e-mail ensoramanda]

and then there's my prized collection piece here.   :-)

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_5_2010.html

Graham

On 9 March 2011 07:54, Jeff Kuyken  wrote:
> Hi Richard & all,
>
> I've been watching Murchison pretty carefully over the last 12-24mths. There
> has been a somewhat steep incline in price that I believe is probably mainly
> due to the amount of media attention it has received during that time.
> Personally I think it's over-priced and I would not expect the price to stay
> there. eBay auctions often go unsold (probably because the prices are too
> high) and most pieces do seem to be under 2g.
>
> But all that said, if anyone wants any Murchison stones for the current
> prices of $150-$200/g just let me know. There are several stones available
> over here from 10-80g.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jeff Kuyken
> Meteorites Australia
> www.meteorites.com.au
> Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
> www.imca.cc
>
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" 
> To: "meteorite list" 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 6:36 AM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Where is all the Murchison???
>
>
>> Recently some of us had a discussion on Facebook about how rare Murchison
>> seems to be. Rarely do you see as much as a gram available.
>>
>> The Heritage Auction has a huge Murchison, 535.9g individual
>> (http://fineart.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=6061&Lot_No=49046)
>>
>> Maybe I've missed them, or not privy to their availability, but where is
>> all the Murchison between a gram and and this largest individual?
>>
>> Anyone?
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>> Full Moon Photography
>> IMCA #1081
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] A chance photo discovery

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Thanks Darren for posting that linkI was also fascinated by the
other old photos of the time and the Arts programmeI had no idea
about any of that happening in the USA then.

Graham

On 26 February 2011 01:37, Darren Garrison  wrote:
> I was browsing through a PDF of photos of "New Deal" WPA activities, when on
> page 33 I found "Archeological digs employed WPA labor, including this
> excavation at the site of the Odessa meteor crater in Ector County, Texas."
>
> http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/pdfs/ppDIRwpa.pdf
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Re: [meteorite-list] A Survey for Collectors

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Question #1:
I agree with the others, but I would add SIZE. All collectors are different, 
but most have some idea of what they want (specimen size) in their 
collections, or at least, what they will "settle on". At some point, 
specimens simply become impractical, to the average collector (too small - 
too big). Faced with a choice, I believe that most collectors want to expand 
their collection by "variety" foremost, and optionally "trade-up" in size 
later. Size also entails (in my opinion) everything from micro's (thin 
sections), slices, fragments, complete specimens, main masses, etc..., which 
is another aspect of what/how some collect.

Question #2:
I have noticed that each of these (mentioned in your question) establish 
their own "market value"  somewhat different from the other. Add to this; 
the state-of-the-economy, the buyer/seller motivation, and each of these 
"markets" can vary. You seem to have covered them all, but each is 
significantly different to me...  Add to this, the 'hunting/collecting' 
aspect, and the 'trading' aspect, and it all becomes

a big part of what makes collecting meteorites so exciting.
Question #3:
No Comment
Question #4:
I agree with Jim Wooddell's comments... Under-valued (in general) ...
Question # 5:
Low to medium TKW's will continue to rise ($/g) without resistance.
Jonathan Dongelll
3922

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: ; ; "Thunder 
Stone" 

Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Survey for Collectors



Question #1 - Rarity, freshness, uniqueness, & aesthetics - in that order

Question #2 - Dealers based on what the market will bear and that "gotta 
have" factor.


Question #3 - I would say Achondrites due to their variations and 
uniqueness. CC's also for their possible "life" connection.


Question #4 - I think most are extremely overpriced. They are unique and I 
feel people cash in on that.


Question #5 - I agree with the previous answer that Lunar and Martian 
meteorites will retain their value the best along with pallasites, perhaps 
Angrite's value will increase if they are proven to be from Mercury.




 Thunder Stone  wrote:


Question #1 - Rarety, uniqness and aesthetics - in that order

Question #2 - I would say dealer websites are the starting point

Question #3 - I would say CV's, CO's and CK's, I see the most growth in 
CC's as there as the facination with them containing carbon and the 
possible like to life


Question #4 - I think some are extreamly overvalued - falls for one. 
Also, a whethered OC has little value at all... there is a very wide 
range.


Question #5 - I think the Lunars and Martian meteorites will retain their 
value the best, perhaps Angrite's value will increase if they are prooven 
to be from Mercury


Greg S.


> Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:14:30 -0600
> From: mars...@gmail.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] A Survey for Collectors
>
> Discovering my sale of "The 2011 Global Meteorite Price Report" on
> eBay, a journalist for a major international magazine now seeks my
> opinion of how we value the specimens in our collections. I think
> there are many other folks on the m-list who could help me clarify my
> thoughts before I respond. Please feel free to respond as succinctly
> and in as few words as possible to any or all of the questions below.
> If you do not want your name, rank and serial number to appear
> attached to your opinion please indicate so in your response to the
> m-list (or privately to me), otherwise you may end up with your name
> in an international periodical. Thanks to all for their thoughtful
> responses. - Kevin
>
> 1. What are the most important factors in terms of collectability for
> a given specimen? Would you emphasize the rarity, the science, the
> history, the freshness, the aesthetics, or...?
>
> 2. Who or what establishes market value? Are meteorite prices being
> established at auction, in Tucson, on dealer websites, in Morocco, on
> eBay, in private trades...?
>
> 3. What are the most undervalued meteorites or categories of
> meteorite? In what categories do you see the most potential for
> growth?
>
> 4. Do you believe that meteorites are undervalued or overvalued
> overall, in comparison to other collectibles such as fossils or coins
> or wristwatches or contemporary art?
>
> 5. What long-term meteorite market developments would you be willing
> to forecast?
>
> Kevin Kichinka
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Re: [meteorite-list] Comet Hunter's First Images on the Ground

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Great comet images.they seem to show up clear detail of layering
and strata in many places which seems to have an interesting influence
on the crater forms.

Graham, UK

On 15 February 2011 16:25, Ron Baalke  wrote:
>
> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-054
>
> Comet Hunter's First Images on the Ground
> Jet Propulsion Laboratory
> February 15, 2011
>
> PASADENA, Calif. -- Mission controllers at NASA's Jet Propulsion
> Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., have begun receiving the first of 72
> anticipated images of comet Tempel 1 taken by NASA's Stardust spacecraft.
>
> The first six, most distant approach images are available at
> http://www.nasa.gov/stardust and http://www.jpl.nasa.gov. Additional
> images, including those from closest approach, are being downlinked in
> chronological order and will be available later in the day.
>
> A news conference previously planned for 10 a.m. PST (1 p.m. EST) will
> be held later in the day, to allow scientists more time to analyze the
> data and images. A new time will be announced later this morning.
>
> Stardust-NExT is a low-cost mission that expands on the investigation of
> comet Tempel 1 initiated by NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft. JPL, a
> division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena, manages
> Stardust-NExT for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C.
> Joe Veverka of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y., is the mission's
> principal investigator. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, built the
> spacecraft and manages day-to-day mission operations.
>
> More information about Stardust-NExT is available at
> http://stardustnext.jpl.nasa.gov .
>
> DC Agle 818-393-9011
> Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
> a...@jpl.nasa.gov
>
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> 2011-054
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Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Martin,

In a way that's what I was saying.many etched iron slices have
very characteristic patterns with regularly occurring inclusions etc
which show up differently on the cut angleso as a project it would
be very complex and would need to show how those things differ (or are
similar) in each meteorite for different anglesbut it could be a
wonderful resource if someone had the time and expertise to compile an
illustrated book.. I would certainly buy it.

Cheers,

Graham



On 11 February 2011 10:31, Martin Altmann  wrote:
> I don't know Graham, whether that would work,
> Because the same iron can look very different, just depending on the angle
> of the cut plane through the crystals. Same applies especially to the
> Neumann lines.
>
> Laurence, any hints, how long those pieces are already in the collection?
>
> Best!
> Martin
>
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von e-mail
> ensoramanda
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Februar 2011 10:38
> An: Laurence Garvie
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU
>
> Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me
> there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten
> patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual
> finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's
> a project for someone!
>
> Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough
> pretty sure non of them is Taza.
>
> Graham, UK
>
> On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie  wrote:
>> I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona
> State University.  They can be seen at
>>
>> www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/
>>
>> If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at
> lgar...@asu.edu
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Laurence
>> CMS
>> ASU
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Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown irons at ASU

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Looking at your slices and their widmanstatten patterns it strikes me
there is scope here for a book about identifying widmanstatten
patterns and their subtle characteristics for individual
finds/fallsor is their already one I'm not aware of...now there's
a project for someone!

Sorry can't help with identification, I'd just be guessingalthough
pretty sure non of them is Taza.

Graham, UK

On 11 February 2011 05:22, Laurence Garvie  wrote:
> I found four unlabeled iron meteorite slices in the collection at Arizona 
> State University.  They can be seen at
>
> www.flickr.com/photos/meteorite_scientist/sets/72157625897257655/
>
> If anyone recognizes any of the slices then please let me know at 
> lgar...@asu.edu
>
> Thanks
>
> Laurence
> CMS
> ASU
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Re: [meteorite-list] 2011 12th annual Steve and Geoff show video And Gold Basin Cake

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Thanks for that Jimgreat work. Really missed being there this year.

Graham, UK

On 10 February 2011 18:27, Jim Wooddell  wrote:
> Enjoy the videos.  How to break it into segments for YouTube...
>
> http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org
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[meteorite-list] List intro

[Bryan E Couch]

Just wanted to give an intro   I have been watching the list for some time but 
have been unable to post (some glitch with my home pc) but have very much 
enjoyed following the list. I am a hunter for the most part I love the thrill 
of the hunt never knowing what I may find last time I found a WWII bomb I hunt 
the dry lakes and desert areas of the south west mostly solo have not found 
much yet but did fing about 900 grams of the yellend last oct. Still looking 
for that cold find just got to keep looking. So any way glad to be part of the 
list and Thanks to all for all the great info.
Bryan Couch Wildomar Ca 
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Re: [meteorite-list] about meteorite casts

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Gary,

Yes a wonderful cast and a local fall for me. Mine arrived a few days
ago. Shame about the damage to yours...very annoying. Not sure I
thanked Zelimir back then for his kind offer toothat is a very
generous offer...will keep it in mind. Sure missed the trip to Tucson
this time, and thanks for all the photos...unfortunately could not
keep awake that late for the live streaming (great of you Ruben and Co
for doing it...did anybody record it?)) but hopefully see many of you
in Ensisheim to swap stories and share a beer.

Cheers,

Graham

On 8 February 2011 18:58, Gary Fujihara  wrote:
> Aloha all,
>
> One of the mountain of packages that awaited me upon my return home was one 
> that contained a cast of the Middlesborough meteorite.  It is an incredibly 
> oriented stone reproduced beautifully in this cast.  My only complaint is 
> that some idiot at customs cut through the box and scarred the piece in 
> several places.
>
> http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Middlesborough.jpg
>
> I am very happy with the piece, very disappointed with customs, but anyone 
> interested should contact Dee & Dave at GeoEd Ltd in Cornwall.  Email is 
> fos...@geoed.co.uk
>
> gary
>
> On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Zelimir Gabelica wrote:
>
>> Hi Graham,
>>
>> If you mean "original meteorites" that were sources of casts in general (not 
>> Middlesborough in particular), you were very close to a famous one last 
>> Summer:
>> Ensisheim meteorite, 53.832 kg, original displayed in the Ensi Regency 
>> palace.
>>
>> Only 2 identical (plaster) casts have been manufactured from that original 
>> in the late 1940's (or 1950's ?) by a local artist.
>> One belongs to the Guardians and is sometimes lend for display instead of 
>> the original that is, as you might guess, tricky and risky to carry here and 
>> there.
>>
>> I am the very lucky owner of the second cast.
>> It was officially donated to me by the Guardians after we had organized the 
>> first 2000 show.
>> I continue to believe this was an outstanding honor that I never deserved, 
>> whatever my contribution to initiate the show (actually that work was, and 
>> still is, far more a pleasure and a challenge than a task).
>>
>> This being, if ever you need my cast for any kind of display (even in the 
>> UK), I am always ready to lend it occasionally. Because I consider that this 
>> almost unique cast can be to some extent an elegant way to dispatch the fame 
>> of that unique meteorite, and perhaps the knowledge of meteorites in general.
>> I may suspect the artist realized it for that kind of purpose.
>>
>> BTW, please note all:
>> The real and accurately measured weight of the original meteorite "fragment" 
>> sited in Ensisheim (by all means the main mass) is well 53.831, as 
>> officially re-weighed in 2002.
>> The other often mentioned figures ("about 55 kg" or alike) are not correct.
>>
>> My best,
>>
>> Zelimir
>>
>> At 23:44 25/01/2010, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote:
>>> Hi Dan,
>>>
>>> I have chased up the original sources of the casts and they are no longer 
>>> available...unless of course someone on the list knows different...I have 
>>> been after one for years.
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>  "Daniel H. Fronefield"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for
>>> > sale?  Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general
>>> > public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various
>>> > methods.  Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too.
>>> >
>>> > Dan
>>> >
>>
>> Prof. Zelimir Gabelica
>> Université de Haute Alsace
>> ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC,
>> 3, Rue A. Werner,
>> F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France
>> Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
>> Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
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Re: [meteorite-list] Very Unique Meteorite

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Remarkable looking stone Rubenare you sure its a meteorite? If
they are chondrules then here's a wild guess...how about more
resistant armoured chondrules similar to some CR meteorites which have
been exposed and polished by weathering , perhaps in some sort of vug.
I'd have to file a window very soon if it were mine. Would love to see
what was shown upgo on you know you have to...and send some more
shots.

Wish I was theregood luck

Graham

On 30 January 2011 01:59, Ruben Garcia  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Currently emailing from Tucson and thought I'd post one of my latest
> Gem Show purchases. I bought this meteorite yesterday because it was
> so odd. Has anyone ever seen anything like it?  If so, how could this
> have happened?
>
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/chondrules.htm
>
> --
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Barrett,
So is the "Asteroid Belt" actually;
a "Meteriod Belt", an "Asteriod Belt", or a "Satellite Belt" ?  ;~}
Jonathan



- Original Message - 
From: "Barrett" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 5:29 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101




The definitive source WIKIPEDIA!! Says;

MeteoroidThe current official definition of a meteoroid from the 
International Astronomical Union is "a solid object moving in 
interplanetary space, of a size considerably smaller than an asteroid and 
considerably larger than an atom".[1][2] Beech and Steel, writing in 
Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society, proposed a new 
definition where a meteoroid is between 100 µm and 10 m across.[3] The NEO 
definition includes larger objects, up to 50 m in diameter, in this 
category. Very small meteoroids are known as micrometeoroids (see also 
interplanetary dust).


The composition of meteoroids can be determined as they pass through 
Earth's atmosphere from their trajectories and the light spectra of the 
resulting meteor. Their effects on radio signals also give information, 
especially useful for daytime meteors which are otherwise very difficult 
to observe. From these trajectory measurements, meteoroids have been found 
to have many different orbits, some clustering in streams (see Meteor 
showers) often associated with a parent comet, others apparently sporadic. 
Debris from meteoroid streams may eventually be scattered into other 
orbits. The light spectra, combined with trajectory and light curve 
measurements, have yielded various compositions and densities, ranging 
from fragile snowball-like objects with density about a quarter that of 
ice,[4] to nickel-iron rich dense rocks.


Meteoroids travel around the Sun in a variety of orbits and at various 
velocities. The fastest ones move at about 26 miles per second (42 
kilometers per second) through space in the vicinity of Earth's orbit. The 
Earth travels at about 18 miles per second (29 kilometers per second). 
Thus, when meteoroids meet the Earth's atmosphere head-on (which would 
only occur if the meteors were in a retrograde orbit), the combined speed 
may reach about 44 miles per second (71 kilometers per second).


Meteor"Meteor" and "Meteors" redirect here. For other uses, see Meteor 
(disambiguation).

See also Hydrometeor.

Comet 17P/Holmes and GeminidA meteor is the visible path of a meteoroid 
that has entered the Earth's atmosphere. Meteors typically occur in the 
mesosphere, and most range in altitude from 75 km to 100 km.[5] Millions 
of meteors occur in the Earth's atmosphere every day. Most meteoroids that 
cause meteors are about the size of a pebble. They become visible between 
about 40 and 75 miles (65 and 120 kilometers) above the Earth. They 
disintegrate at altitudes of 30 to 60 miles (50 to 95 kilometers). Meteors 
have roughly a fifty percent chance of a daylight (or near daylight) 
collision with the Earth as the Earth orbits in the direction of roughly 
west at noon.[clarification needed] Most meteors are, however, observed at 
night as low light conditions allow fainter meteors to be observed.


For bodies with a size scale larger than the atmospheric mean free path 
(10 cm to several metres)[clarification needed] the visibility is due to 
the atmospheric ram pressure (not friction) that heats the meteoroid so 
that it glows and creates a shining trail of gases and melted meteoroid 
particles. The gases include vaporized meteoroid material and atmospheric 
gases that heat up when the meteoroid passes through the atmosphere. Most 
meteors glow for about a second. A relatively small percentage of 
meteoroids hit the Earth's atmosphere and then pass out again: these are 
termed Earth-grazing fireballs (for example The Great Daylight 1972 
Fireball).


Meteors may occur in showers, which arise when the Earth passes through a 
trail of debris left by a comet, or as "random" or "sporadic" meteors, not 
associated with a specific single cause. A number of specific meteors have 
been observed, largely by members of the public and largely by accident, 
but with enough detail that orbits of the incoming meteors or meteorites 
have been calculated. All of them came from orbits from the vicinity of 
the asteroid belt.[6]


FireballA fireball is a brighter-than-usual meteor. The International 
Astronomical Union defines a fireball as "a meteor brighter than any of 
the planets" (magnitude -4 or greater).[7] The International Meteor 
Organization (an amateur organization that studies meteors) has a more 
rigid definition. It defines a fireball as a meteor that would have a 
magnitude of -3 or brighter if seen at zenith. This definition corrects 
for the greater distance between an observer and a meteor near the 
horizon. For example, a meteor of magnitude -1 at 5 degrees above the 
horizon would be classified as a fireball because if the observer had been 
directly below the meteor it would have appeared as magnitude -6.[

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Tucson shooting

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Yes...my thoughts are with everyone in Tucson. The news is all over
the TV stations out here in the UK. I was staying just up the road
from the shootings at the show last year.

Tragic!

Graham, IMCA #1835

On 8 January 2011 22:41, Rob Matson  wrote:
> I do hope our many List members from the Tucson area are
> all safe and uninjured following the massacre outside a
> Tucson grocery store today. 6 people were killed (including
> a 9-year-old girl), and at least another 12 injured, including
> U.S. Representative Gabrielle Giffords who was shot in the
> head and is in critical condition... :-(  --Rob
>
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> BN1
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson activities

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Brian,

and welcome to the list

I think you will have much more success searching through the rooms at
the numerous venues in Tucson...Besides, there is just not enough time
to see all the meteorites that will be on show (or hidden away in
mysterious boxes) even if you stayed for the whole show!

Graham, nr Barwell UK IMCA #1835

On 8 January 2011 19:09, Brian Moore  wrote:
> First post, hello listers.
>
> Are there any strewn fields one can search around Tucson?
> I'm wondering if it is worthwhile to bring my metal detector. This will be
> my first time to the show.
>
> -Brian Moore
> Alberta Canada
>
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[meteorite-list] BBC stargazing live....meteorites

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi All,

For all those able to view...tonights episode in the UK is covering
the Quadrantids and some info on meteorites at this very moment.

Graham, UK
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - January 5, 2011

[e-mail ensoramanda]

I found it interesting that both samples had the lichen growing on
them. Just wondering, Svend, how common the growths were on
surrounding stones or if perhaps they favoured growing on the Eucrite
because of certain minerals contained within compared to other stones
in the area.

Graham, UK

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Re: [meteorite-list] BBC Stargazing Live appearance by Gary Fujihara

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Doubt there will be any Youtube links yet...it can be seen here...but
probably only in the UK unless someone knows a way round that.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00wnvpf

On 3 January 2011 23:42, Michael Gilmer  wrote:
> Is there a YouTube video link?  :)
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 6:36 PM, e-mail ensoramanda
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All, Gary,
>>
>> Just to say congratulations Gary on your appearance tonight on the
>> beeb. Watched the new Stargazing Live show earlier tonight with links
>> to Hawaii. It was quite a shock to see you appear just after I had
>> mentioned your name. Great programme for those able to get it.
>>
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[meteorite-list] BBC Stargazing Live appearance by Gary Fujihara

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi All, Gary,

Just to say congratulations Gary on your appearance tonight on the
beeb. Watched the new Stargazing Live show earlier tonight with links
to Hawaii. It was quite a shock to see you appear just after I had
mentioned your name. Great programme for those able to get it.

Graham UK.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine Re: Business contact

[e-mail ensoramanda]

I too have tried to ask about the state of my subscription and had not
repliesanyone else having any luck?

Graham

On 29 December 2010 16:59, David Pensenstadler  wrote:
> Dear List:
>
> Has anyone tried to contact Hazel at METEORITE Magazine (see link below)?
>
> I have sent two emails to inquire about my subscription but have not received 
> a reply.
>
> Anyone else try contacting her?
>
> Dave
>
> --- On Wed, 12/15/10, Robert Beauford  wrote:
>
>> From: Robert Beauford 
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Magazine - November, vol 16, no 3 - 
>> Co-editor's Note
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 1:57 PM
>> The November Meteorite Magazine issue
>> should be in your mail boxes very soon if it has not already
>> arrived.  You can expect it shortly.  I'm sorry
>> for the delay.  We picked up production mid-stride, but
>> put together what I think is a nice issue with great
>> articles.  I deeply appreciate everyone who helped us
>> to make this happen.  February should be back to
>> arriving on time.  Someone mentioned not having gotten
>> prior issues in their subscription.  The only one that
>> should be late is November.  If you have had other
>> subscription problems, these will involve issues prior to
>> our presence.  Please let us know, either through the
>> web site at meteoritemag.uark.edu, or by contacting Hazel
>> directly at met...@uark.edu
>> (Hazel can help you with business, back issues, or
>> subscription questions.)
>> For articles, content questions, or article submissions,
>> you can contact the editors, Derek Sears or myself, at meted...@uark.edu
>> Thank you all for your support of this great
>> magazine.  It is an honor and a joy to be working with
>> all of you to keep this magazine going and growing.
>> This is meant to be a magazine for the entire meteorite
>> community, collectors, dealers, hunters, scholars, educators
>> and everyone else, and we are happy to have your comments
>> and participation.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Barwell, the Christmas Eve Meteorite

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Bernd/All,

Hope you have a very merry Barwellmas! Today (23rd) is known by my
family and friends as Ensmas, my birthday and the eve of the Barwell
fall. It fell the day after my 9th birthday a few miles away from home
and sparked of a lifetimes fascination with meteorites I'm still
searching for the bits they missed!

Hope you are all enjoying this festive season.

Graham Ensor



On 23 December 2010 23:25,   wrote:
> Happy Birthday, Barwell!
>
> Bernd (in Germany at 00.35 local time ;-)
>
> --
>
> On December 24, 1965, a Christmas present of sorts fell to the ground around
> 16:20 hrs, when a brilliant fireball swept across southern England from a 
> south
> -southwesterly direction and landed in Barwell accompanied by a tremendous
> explosion caused by the exploding meteorite that went down in history as the
> Christmas Eve meteorite.
>
> The bolide must have been extremely bright. Some eyewitnesses say it was 
> brighter
> than the sun, others say it was almost twice as bright as Venus. There are 
> also reports
> of color changes during atmospheric descent.
>
> Local residents noted a large explosion, the sky suddenly lit up, a whizzing 
> noise was
> heard, there was a loud roar, a low rumbling noise, a screaming sound from a 
> low-flying
> object directly overhead, a loud rustling noise after the explosion, a sudden 
> thud as
> something hit the ground, a terrible crack, and also electrophonic phenomena.
>
> When one local picked up a strange-looking stone about as big as his hand, he 
> immediately
> threw it down again because it "felt warm". This stone had even left a small 
> crater in the
> asphalt road.
>
> Another Barwell resident found a dent in the hood of his automobile and a 
> "white stone"
> on the ground weighing between six and seven pounds.
>
> News of the actual fall was slow to spread but when it did, hell broke loose 
> because
> the British Museum had promised financial rewards for each and every find. 
> Several
> larger fragments and innumerable small stones were located by field parties 
> and local
> residents.
>
> While initial disruption occurred at an altitude of about 25 miles, final 
> disruption probably
> occurred at a very low altitude above Barwell.
>
> The  Barwell L5 chondrite has a gray interior, numerous FeNi specks and 
> grayish chondrules
> that give it a mottled look. Interestingly, some of the fragments at Barwell 
> came in from slightly
> different directions - maybe due to strong winds high up in the atmosphere 
> because a distinct
> smoke trail rapidly disappeared.
>
> A 17-pounder made a perfectly vertical hole in sandy loam soil to a depth of 
> 27 inches.
> A 14 ½ ounce fragment penetrated the roof of a local factory.
> A 7-pound piece lay in an 18-inch hole.
> A 6-pound chunk was found in a factory backyard partly buried in a cinder 
> heap!
>
> Reference:
>
> Lancaster Brown P. (1966) The Barwell Meteorite (Sky & Telescope, July 1966, 
> pp. 7-11).
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Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse photos

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Excellentprobably the best set of lunar eclipse shots I've ever seen.

Graham

On 22 December 2010 03:12, Mike Hankey  wrote:
> I had a great eclipse observing and photography session last night,
> but boy am I tired.
>
> Photographing an eclipse is a real challenge, but luckily the clouds
> stayed away for most of the night and everything came together pretty
> well.
>
> I uploaded some of the photos here:
>
> http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/lunar/lunar-eclipse-december-21st-2010/
>
> I had a fish eye camera working the whole night, hoping to catch a
> meteor, but didn't get that lucky.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for sharing thatgreat detailed shot. Couldn't help thinking
that all it needed was a sprig of holly photo-shopping on to the top
and it would make a very good festive plum pudding look-a-like!

Cheers,

Graham

On 21 December 2010 16:53, Rob Holcomb  wrote:
> Here's a photo from the San Francisco Bay Area, a friend setup his equipment
> and then stood out in the balmy (compared to most of you!) weather and took
> a whole series of photos. I like this one with the stars in the background.
>
> http://4-kats.homeip.net/andrewlunar.jpg
>
> Rob Holcomb
> http://www.rholcomb.com
>
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> From: "e-mail ensoramanda" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:57 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
>> the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...
>>
>>
>> http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/
>>
>> Seasons greetings,
>>
>> Graham
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[meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi All,

Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/

Seasons greetings,

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi,

Just been taking some photos of eclipse from v frosty UK, Nr
Barwell...was beautuful as sun was brightening the landscape and
showing the hoar frosted trees below.

Graham

On 21 December 2010 06:47, michael cottingham
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>
> Hello,
> Clear skies...  40 degrees F... eclipse is underway and beautiful... Happy 
> Solstice!
> Best Wishes
> Michael Cottingham
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[meteorite-list] Video of UK fireball

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi All,

Video of the fireball over the UK on Wed eve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQpL12tYPrw

Reports seem to suggest so far that it started above the Eastern
Yorkshire coast and travelled at a low angle towards the west with a
final detonation and fragmentation over the pennines. If this did drop
meteorites they are likely in the Irish sea but coastal regions from
Liverpool down to N Wales may be a possibility.

God reports and analysis here from Alastair McBeath.

http://www.popastro.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14888

Fingers crossed for leaky roof reports!

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rare Arizona Meteorite Find

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Ruben,

Congratulations again.   Just a little boast that I too was right in
my guess at it's classification...just checked the archiveso no
prizes then?  ;-)
It just reminded me of my Vaca Muerta sample.

http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-October/057091.html

as below

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  My guess is still a mesosiderite...any prizes for the correct
guess when ASU confirm? ;-)

  Good luck

  Graham "

Happy hunting and Merry Christmas to everyone.

Graham UK



On 10 December 2010 02:14, Ruben Garcia  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The classification of my rare Arizona Meteorite find has just been
> completed. Many will remember that a year ago we had fun guessing as
> to what it could be. Well, now we know. If memory serves correct, I
> think only Adam Hupe was right.
>
> Check it out here:
> http://www.mr-meteorite.net/ararearizonafind.htm
>
>
> --
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Hi Ed,
The wax idea sounds good.
Keeps the water out, but still "breathes" (lets oxygen in and out).
Have you thought about microcrystalline wax, instead of clear paste floor 
wax?

Try a company like 'Clarus Specialty Products' or 'Caromex International'.
Ask for a microcrystalline wax that melts easy at, or below, 175 C ( ~ 350 
F)

and that has a good penetration grade. As it cools to ~ 100 C (200 F)
take it out, and rag it off You are good to go...
If you have excess in some wax in certain tough areas, you can just torch it 
out
or simply re-bake it. Try it on something small Let me know what you 
think...

In the "Great White North", you might try WITCO Canada (814-368-6111)
You might try their "Witco 180 M Microwax"... Or, see what they recommend ": 
^ /

Good Luck
Jonathan



- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Majden" 

To: "Jonathan E. Dongell" 
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?



Hi Jonathan:
I did a search for D96 Gun Oil on the internet.  I contacted the  supplier 
of this product and he says they will not ship small amounts  to Canada.
He referred me to some Canadian Dealers but they did not reply to my e- 
mails.  Perhaps they don't stock the stuff anymore.  Shipping stuff  like 
this across
the border can be problematic and also costly.  I phoned a gun  collector 
friend of mine and he says they don't use gun oil anymore,  just cloth 
impregnated
wipes.  He says in our cold climate when hunting seasons are open gun 
oils tend to gum things up.  He suggested using clear paste wax, auto  or 
floor types.

I wonder if anyone has tried this?  This may be worth a try!
Cheers:
Ed

From very "WET" Vancouver Island!

On 7-Dec-10, at 10:59 PM, Jonathan E. Dongell wrote:


Ed,
I will sometimes use WD40 on previously treated/preserved irons, as  a 
twice-a-year
cleaner/sealer as a "rub-down" with a clean towel. But, I always  heat my 
specimens
to ~ 400 F for ~ 20 minutes, prior to every application (let them  cool 
first... ouch...).

I have noticed two things when using WD40 on my specimens:
1. it appears to be, at best, only a temporary rust retardant.
2. it does not behave as a 100% water-repellant oil-based product  does; 
in fact,
it can (in my opinion) emulsify with water/moisture in the specimen,  due 
to the aliphatic

component and/or the wetting agent used in WD40.

The later # 2, is why I always insist on heating specimens that  receive 
WD40. You must
remove any moisture from within your specimen, or you will risk 
continued degradation

of your specimen BENEATH THE SURFACE over time (in my opinion).

The only other reason I might use WD40 is a personal preference. It 
gives certain irons
a slightly darker, almost black-iron oxide or 'fusion-crust' tone or 
coloration (instead of
a shiny, or a gun metal blue, or etc...) with continued usage.  However, 
this same look,

is why some collectors DON'T like to use WD40.

That said, I would never use WD40 on a "severe ruster". There are  much 
better products
(many have already been named on this listing) for retarding rust.  But, 
NEVER apply any
of these products (in my opinion) to a specimen (especially a  'severe 
ruster') until you:
1. remove as much of the alkalis and/or salts as is possible from 
specimen
2. remove as much ferric oxide as is possible, or convert as much  ferric 
oxide to
ferrous oxide (via chemical or electrico-chemical treatment) as is 
possible
3. apply either a chemical or an electrico-chemical treatment  process to 
stabilize

other minerals/metals (when necessary).
4. remove as much (better yet, all) moisture as is possible from 
specimen.


ONLY THEN should you apply your rust prevention product of choice. 
Remember,
these specimens are rusting for a reason. Most severe rusters have  come 
from
severe (sometimes anaerobic) environments. You must remove all the  above 
rust
'contributing causes' prior to sealing any of these types of  specimen 
(my opinion).


Skipping any of the above steps, and applying a rust preventative,  will 
surely "lock in"
these potential 'rust mechanisms' within your specimen, which in  fact, 
will create a

more corrosive condition, and hasten the demise of your specimens.

One last note...
I continue to waiver on this one...
Whether it is nobler to preserve the original specimen's "as is" 
qualities,

or is it nobler still, to preserve the specimen from deteriorating  away,
thus altering forever, the "as is" quality. Alas, there is the  rub.

Just my opinions... Best of Luck  ;>}
Jonathan Dongell
IMCA 3922



- Original Message - From: "Ed Majden" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?


Does anyone have a list of known Iron me

[meteorite-list] Large fragmenting meteor in UK this evening...reports

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Fireball seen by hundreds traveling across UK..many reports coming
in. Thought to be traveling E to W and reports of it overhead in on W
coast so if it dropped anything it's  likely to be in the Irish Sea or
maybe Ireland again! More details need yet though

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8190171/Spectacular-meteor-fireball-explosion-over-Britain-leaves-stargazers-buzzing-ahead-of-Geminid-space-shower.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11954932

Graham UK
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[e-mail ensoramanda]

test.
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[meteorite-list] Large fragmenting meteor in UK this evening

[e-mail ensoramanda]

My wife just saw an amazing meteor in the UK.Unfortunately I still
had my head in the car unloading and missed it :-(

It must have been very spectacular further north  as she observed at
looking into the remainder of the glowing light from sunset and with a
fair bit of light pollutionvery low slow and distant.

She reports as follows.

Site Location:
Town: Swannington
County: Leicestershire
Country: England
Latitude: 52 ° 44 ’ 16.92 ” N
Longitude: 01 ° 22 ’ 51.65 ” W

Date / Time:
Date (Year - Month - Date): 2010 - 12 - 08
Time: 17 h 39 m 00 s
TimeZone GMT

Visible duration (in seconds): at least 3

Train Details: large fragmenting fireball

Sounds: None apparent

Fragmentation: Yes

Colours: White

Large fragmenting fireball brighter than Jupiter but not as bright as
the full moon travelling apparently east to west seen for the length
of the plough directly below the plough, low, (3/4 above horizon 1/4
below plough) Initial start of hot flight not noticed so could have
lasted longer. Seen through light pollution and probably too distant
to hear associated sounds/detonations.

If anyone else spots other reports please post to the list.

Graham Ensor UK
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Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Ed,
I will sometimes use WD40 on previously treated/preserved irons, as a 
twice-a-year
cleaner/sealer as a "rub-down" with a clean towel. But, I always heat my 
specimens
to ~ 400 F for ~ 20 minutes, prior to every application (let them cool 
first... ouch...).

I have noticed two things when using WD40 on my specimens:
1. it appears to be, at best, only a temporary rust retardant.
2. it does not behave as a 100% water-repellant oil-based product does; in 
fact,
it can (in my opinion) emulsify with water/moisture in the specimen, due to 
the aliphatic

component and/or the wetting agent used in WD40.

The later # 2, is why I always insist on heating specimens that receive 
WD40. You must
remove any moisture from within your specimen, or you will risk continued 
degradation

of your specimen BENEATH THE SURFACE over time (in my opinion).

The only other reason I might use WD40 is a personal preference. It gives 
certain irons
a slightly darker, almost black-iron oxide or 'fusion-crust' tone or 
coloration (instead of
a shiny, or a gun metal blue, or etc...) with continued usage. However, this 
same look,

is why some collectors DON'T like to use WD40.

That said, I would never use WD40 on a "severe ruster". There are much 
better products
(many have already been named on this listing) for retarding rust. But, 
NEVER apply any
of these products (in my opinion) to a specimen (especially a 'severe 
ruster') until you:

1. remove as much of the alkalis and/or salts as is possible from specimen
2. remove as much ferric oxide as is possible, or convert as much ferric 
oxide to

ferrous oxide (via chemical or electrico-chemical treatment) as is possible
3. apply either a chemical or an electrico-chemical treatment process to 
stabilize

other minerals/metals (when necessary).
4. remove as much (better yet, all) moisture as is possible from specimen.

ONLY THEN should you apply your rust prevention product of choice. Remember,
these specimens are rusting for a reason. Most severe rusters have come from
severe (sometimes anaerobic) environments. You must remove all the above 
rust
'contributing causes' prior to sealing any of these types of specimen (my 
opinion).


Skipping any of the above steps, and applying a rust preventative, will 
surely "lock in"
these potential 'rust mechanisms' within your specimen, which in fact, will 
create a

more corrosive condition, and hasten the demise of your specimens.

One last note...
I continue to waiver on this one...
Whether it is nobler to preserve the original specimen's "as is" qualities,
or is it nobler still, to preserve the specimen from deteriorating away,
thus altering forever, the "as is" quality. Alas, there is the rub.

Just my opinions... Best of Luck  ;>}
Jonathan Dongell
IMCA 3922



- Original Message - 
From: "Ed Majden" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?


Does anyone have a list of known Iron meteorite rusters?  The sample  of 
Nantan China I have split into several pieces.  I have been using  WD40 on 
the pieces to retard further problems but this does not work  all that 
well.  Have to repeat this every few weeks!

Ed Majden
Courtenay B.C.

Asteroid Majden  142368   (Thanks to Rob Matson)
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[meteorite-list] Campo del Cielo, Las Palmas, Aruacu. Same or different

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

All,
I am sure this one has been already been answered; if so, please send me to 
good source

(hopefully difinitive) that I might educate myself.
There seems to be conflicting 'reads' on these two meteorites:
Campo del Cielo, Argentina
Las Palmas, Argentina
Are they possibly from the same fall, or not.
Jonathan Dongell
ICMA 3922 


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Re: [meteorite-list] sulphurous smell of meteorites (was Temperature ofmeteorites)

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

All,
Is would seem logical (assuming the story is true) that if a dog can find a 
meteorite
in the middle of a large field in West, Texas; and further, find that same 
stone to be 'unusual' enough
(i.e. maybe sulfur-stinky???) to carry it back to his owner's front porch, 
its not because the stone is pretty There must be some smell associated 
with that rock???


If that dog is anything like ours, it could sniff out a cookie a mile away 
: - )

What do you think???
Jonathan Dongell
IMCA 3922



- Original Message - 
From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 10:40 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] sulphurous smell of meteorites (was Temperature 
ofmeteorites)




Marco:

Ditto that!  Last summer I was photographing some crusted Zag in the full 
sun when it was 95 degrees out. I was distracted for four or five minutes, 
when I came back the meteorites were so hot you could barely hold them in 
your hand!


Phil Whitmer





Piper et al.,

Without implying that ALL reports of sulphurous smells are necessarily
unreliable, I do urge caution.

Over my career of checking alleged Dutch new meteorite falls (all 
meteorwrongs!)

there have been a number of cases where people reported to me "sulphurous
smells" when encountering the stone. Mind you: all of these were *not*
meteorites, but things ranging from flint to brick to slag.

Like "red glowing", the "sulphorous smells" are something that people 
apparently
expect with true meteorites. So they tend to "observe" it, even if the 
object

later turns out to be not a meteorite but an earthly object!

Never underestimate the power of suggestion.

The same goes for reports of "very hot" meteorites.

Concerning the latter: when a fall takes place in bright sunlight, be 
aware that
after the fall the stone will quickly get "hot" simply because the black 
fusion

crust absorbs warmth from sunlight, in the same way that tarmac or a dark
painted garden bench do. I 'discovered' this several years ago when 
placing a
few fragments of Mbale in sunlight for a few minutes for a photograph. 
When I
picked them up I almost dropped them again because of a sensation of them 
being

"hot" (on second inspection, they weren't actually that hot, but they did
clearly warm up in the sunlight enough for this initial sensation to 
occur).


In more speculative moments, I have pondered a few times whether the decay 
of
very shortlived radioisotopes in meteorites could play a role in reports 
of
"glowing" and "hot" fresh-fallen meteorites as well. That is pure 
speculation

that will probably not hold on closer scrutiny, however.

- Marco

- 
Dr Marco (asteroid 183294) Langbroek

Dutch Meteor Society (DMS)


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[meteorite-list] "Don't give up on the new guys"

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Adam,
Sounds like you and Zann are a very conscientious people.
Wasn't trying to say otherwise. I am sure this guy was a real jerk.
Although, I think I lost a lot of money in Laughlin once too : - )

So, let me put it another way... Even though people, like that jerk,
sometimes show up at your door, don't give up on the rest of us.

Look forward to meeting you both on a hunt some time.

Jon & Joyce Dongell
IMCA 3922




- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" 

To: "Adam" 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - October 
28,2010




Hi Jonathon,

I encourage new hunters and enjoy being in the field with them.  My
brother-in-law and sister are both new to the hunt.  Nothing will replace 
the
smile on my brother-in-laws face when he found his first meteorite last 
Spring.
When Count Guido showed up announced with his first find, I could not help 
but
share in his enthusiasm for such a fantastic new meteorite.  I have made 
many

friends due to the meteorite hunts.

Like treasure hunting, I think it is important that due care and proper 
ethics
are instilled in those new to the hobby. It is important that a strict 
Code Of
Ethics be followed by all of us or  this hobby will go the same way as 
treasure

hunting with most land off  limits. People, like the crazy that showed up
unannounced yesterday seem to be only interested in the monetary value and
little else. They will not listen to a thing I have to say if it is not 
what

they want to hear. This is what angered Zann into telling him to leave.

I enjoy hunting with the largest manageable groups possible. More often 
then
not, it is the rookies that seem to come up with great finds and there is 
no
substitute for their enthusiasm they share willingly.  I remember how 
excited I
was about my first hunts.  I still get the same excitement when somebody 
who has
never hunted before joins in.  It is that I dislike the crazies 
approaching me
out of the blue.  There is a difference between somebody new to the hobby 
and a
money-crazed, eyes glossed over freak showing up at your doorstep 
unannounced
who doesn't believe a thing you tell him because he is an expert from 
watching

too much TV.

Best Regards,

Adam
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Don't give up on the new guys"

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Greg,
An innocent mistake. Was replying to Adam's string... And about to press 
'Send',

when I noticed there was only an "Adam" in the 'Cc' box. So, went to another
string (must have been yours), which had "meteorite-list" in the "Cc" box,
and copied my reply, plus Adam's original posting, to it. My bad
Wow, I am getting a headache..

How about we change this string name, and call it. "Don't give up on the new 
guys".


Greg... Our reply was not meant as a "jab" at you In fact, I don't 
believe

we have ever met Relax, enjoy your weekend, and don't give up on us
new guys...

P.S. we have enjoyed our purchases from you.
Jon & Joyce Dongell
IMCA 3922

- Original Message - 
From: "Greg Hupe" 

To: "Jonathan E. Dongell" 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - October 
28,2010




Hi Jon,

"Greg" Hupe here, I live in Florida and was just out west hunting, and 
luckily finding, meteorites. I was not at Adam's house in Laughlin, NV 
when this person showed up on his doorstep so I have no part in the 
interaction or thoughts regarding the unexpected visitor or "newbies" (I 
never liked that term since we all started out somewhere!). I still 
consider myself a "newbie" in many aspects of meteorite collecting, 
hunting, science and so on. There are many great meteorite hunters out 
there that leave my efforts in the dust and many scientists I learn from 
every day. I love the hunt, the science behind it and interacting with 
anyone who is a true person to meteoritics.


I wish you great success out there hunting! Never know, maybe one day we 
will be out there hunting (and finding) together!


Just curious, why did you combine two totally separate List email threads 
in your reply to Adam's post, but using my email address and Name to the 
List along with the "Rocks From Space Picture..." subject line? This does 
not seem like a very good way to 'reply', but almost a jab at me for 
whatever reason. I am all ears if you have something to say to me (Greg 
Hupe).


Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmh...@htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan E. Dongell" 

To: "Greg Hupe" ; 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - October 
28,2010





Hey Greg/Adam,
I'm sure this guy was a real jerk and you deserved to give him the 'boot'
out...
But, don't give up on all of us newbies

We got 'hooked' a few years back... If it weren't for Keith and Dana
Jenkersen
taking time with us (((we should add Jeff Nodkin as well, and also a lot 
of

great hunters
around a campfire in Franconia))) we might not be where we are now. Still
learning,
(and still buying the occasional meteor-wrongs), but a whole lot more
educated and
understanding of the need/value that we hunters bring to the research and
preservation
of such a very rare commodity.

I am sure the afore mentioned hunters might have thought they were 
'wasting'

their
valuable time teaching us 'the ropes', but had they not been so gracious, 
we

would
never be where we are now. We love to hunt, and we love to BUY, to 
increase
our modest collection, to preserve, and to continue our learning. In 
fact,

you might
check your EBay Paypal account We undoughtedly have bought specimens
from YOU

You just never know, but you might be inspiring new
hunters/collectors/researchers.
For example, the day-by-day account of your latest meteorite 'run' 
sounded

awesome.
This is what its all about... Conservation, research, education, and 
along

the way,
good times and good friends. By the way, Keith & Dana have since become 
good

friends of ours.

So, don't give up on all of us JERKS who show up on your door step. Some 
if

us
got real potential..
Jon & Joyce Dongell
IMCA 3922
--

--



- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" 

To: "Adam" 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] anyone know Steven Curry? LUNAR METEORITE
STORY



These people are really scary. I was hooking up a trickle charger to my
four-wheeler meteorite chaser yesterday when a complete stranger 
startled
me by walking into my open garage.  It surprised me so much that I 
failed

to get his name.  He was able to look me up on-line and decided to pay a
visit  un

Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - October 28, 2010

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Hey Greg/Adam,
I'm sure this guy was a real jerk and you deserved to give him the 'boot' 
out...

But, don't give up on all of us newbies

We got 'hooked' a few years back... If it weren't for Keith and Dana 
Jenkersen
taking time with us (((we should add Jeff Nodkin as well, and also a lot of 
great hunters
around a campfire in Franconia))) we might not be where we are now. Still 
learning,
(and still buying the occasional meteor-wrongs), but a whole lot more 
educated and
understanding of the need/value that we hunters bring to the research and 
preservation

of such a very rare commodity.

I am sure the afore mentioned hunters might have thought they were 'wasting' 
their
valuable time teaching us 'the ropes', but had they not been so gracious, we 
would

never be where we are now. We love to hunt, and we love to BUY, to increase
our modest collection, to preserve, and to continue our learning. In fact, 
you might

check your EBay Paypal account We undoughtedly have bought specimens
from YOU

You just never know, but you might be inspiring new 
hunters/collectors/researchers.
For example, the day-by-day account of your latest meteorite 'run' sounded 
awesome.
This is what its all about... Conservation, research, education, and along 
the way,

good times and good friends. By the way, Keith & Dana have since become good
friends of ours.

So, don't give up on all of us JERKS who show up on your door step. Some if 
us

got real potential..
Jon & Joyce Dongell
IMCA 3922
--

--



- Original Message - 
From: "Adam Hupe" 

To: "Adam" 
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] anyone know Steven Curry? LUNAR METEORITE 
STORY



These people are really scary. I was hooking up a trickle charger to my 
four-wheeler meteorite chaser yesterday when a complete stranger startled 
me by walking into my open garage.  It surprised me so much that I failed 
to get his name.  He was able to look me up on-line and decided to pay a 
visit  unannounced. I live in a gated community with video surveillance 
and  this guy some how was able to get in. He was from out of town 
vacationing here in Laughlin and decided to spend some of his time looking 
for meteorites. Apparently, he was not winning at the Casinos so decided 
to make a sizable fortune by plucking meteorites that according to him 
were lying around everywhere.  I told him that not a single comfirmed 
meteorite has ever been found in Laughlin but he insisted his looked just 
like every other one he had seen on-line and on TV.   He showed me his 
suspected finds and I told him to take them to a  university since I no 
longer comment on finds and I am not qualified to classify them.   I was 
trying to be polite but my other half, Zann got really angry about the 
situation and told him to leave.  With over 6 million visitors to Laughlin 
every year, this is bound to happen again.


When people have dollar signs in their eyes, they are willing to go to any 
length.  This is the first and hopefully the last time one of these 
crazies comes to my home.



Best Regards,

Adam




- Original Message - 
From: "Greg Hupe" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - October 
28,2010




Hello Everyone!

"Thank You" to everyone on List and off who sent me the very nice congrats 
for my little Nevada finds! I thoroughly enjoy hunting for meteorites 
whether they are a fresh fall or a find from miles of hiking around 
different terrain. It doesn't matter if I find anything as hunting with 
family and friends is reward enough... but finding one every once in a 
while sure takes the pain away from all the walking!!


I hope everyone has a great weekend, mine will be spent getting things 
taken care of on the home front after having been gone for a month. Good 
Luck to all who are out there hunting or plan any future searches!


Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmh...@htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Johnson" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 10:10 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - October 28, 
2010




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Re: [meteorite-list] The (Long) Weekend Warrior: ... Crater Size and Age

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Got it.
Thanks Elton.


- Original Message - 
From: "MEM" 
To: "Jonathan E. Dongell" ; "Meteorite Mailing List" 


Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The (Long) Weekend Warrior: ... Crater Size 
and Age



With regard to the range of asteroid sized bodies, average body size is 
trending
smaller owing to collisions.  The solar system has been greatly depleted 
of
larger bodies as compared to the original populations of 
planetary/asteroidal
bodies. Collisions, by-in-large, produce multiple "smaller" objects which, 
over
time, produce even smaller objects and so on.  So large impacts 
"statistically"
point back to a very early solar system with a greater  proportion of 
larger

objects.  The impact itself is evidence of depletion.

In general, the more impacts  visible on the surface, the relatively 
longer
exposure that surface has had to impacts.  An older surface that hasn't 
been

renewed by tectonic/volcanic recycling will have more craters and a higher
proportion of  larger astroblemes.  We date planetary surface geological
activity/age using crater count and overlap statistics with crater sizes
factored in..

Elton



- Original Message 

From: Jonathan E. Dongell 
To: Ron Baalke ; Meteorite Mailing List

Sent: Tue, October 19, 2010 9:41:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The (Long) Weekend Warrior: Nine Moons, 62 
Hours

(Cassini)

Ron,
I can understand why more impacts could be an indication of an older
satellite,
but could you explain why 'larger' impacts is also an indication  of 
older, as

well.
Thank you, in advance.
Jonathan Dongell
IMCA  3922 


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Re: [meteorite-list] The (Long) Weekend Warrior: Nine Moons, 62 Hours (Cassini)

[Jonathan E. Dongell]

Ron,
I can understand why more impacts could be an indication of an older 
satellite,
but could you explain why 'larger' impacts is also an indication of older, 
as well.

Thank you, in advance.
Jonathan Dongell
IMCA 3922



- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Baalke" 

To: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:23 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] The (Long) Weekend Warrior: Nine Moons,62 Hours 
(Cassini)




http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-341

The (Long) Weekend Warrior: Nine Moons, 62 Hours
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
October 19, 2010

Taking a long-weekend road trip, NASA's Cassini spacecraft successfully
glided near nine Saturnian moons, sending back a stream of raw images as
mementos of its adrenaline-fueled expedition. The spacecraft sent back
particularly intriguing images of the moons Dione and Rhea.

The Dione and Rhea pictures are the highest-resolution views yet of
parts of their surfaces. The views of the southern part of Dione's
leading hemisphere (the part of the moon that faces forward in its orbit
around Saturn) and the equatorial region of Rhea's leading hemisphere
are more detailed than the last time we saw these terrains with NASA's
Voyager spacecraft in the early 1980s.

Of the five big icy moons of Saturn, Dione and Rhea are often considered
a pair because they orbit close to each other, are darker than the
others, and exhibit similar patterns of light reflecting off them. These
new images, however, highlight the differences between these sister moons.

Both images show similar geographic regions on each satellite. However,
scientists can identify differences in geological histories of the two
bodies from differences in the numbers and sizes of visible craters on
their surfaces. The numbers and size of craters on a body's surface help
indicate the age of that surface - the more craters there are and the
larger they are, the older the surface is.

Rhea, for example, shows ancient, intense bombardments throughout this
region. However, the same region of Dione is divided into distinct areas
that exhibit variations in the number and size of preserved craters. In
particular, while parts of Dione are heavily cratered like Rhea, there
are other areas covered by relatively smooth plains. Those areas have
many small craters, but few large impact scars, which indicates that
they are geologically younger than the heavily cratered areas. The
smooth plains must have been resurfaced at some point in Dione's past --
an event that seems to be missing from Rhea's geological history on this
side of the moon.

Images of the moon Mimas, captured just before it went into shadow
behind Saturn, will be compared to thermal maps made earlier this year
that showed an unexpected "Pac-Man" heat pattern. (See for more details.
)

Cassini also caught a picture of the tiny, 4-kilometer-wide
(3-mile-wide) moon Pallene, in front of the planet Saturn, which is more
than 120,000 kilometers (75,000 miles) wide at its equator.

Cassini's elliptical orbital pattern around Saturn means it can target
moons for flybys about once or twice a month. The flybys on this
particular Cassini road trip were "non-targeted" flybys, meaning
navigators did not refine Cassini's path to fly over particular points
on each moon.

Cassini's long weekend started on Thursday, Oct. 14, at 5:07 p.m. UTC
(9:07 a.m. PDT), when it passed by Saturn's largest moon Titan at an
altitude of 172,368 kilometers (107,104 miles) above the surface. Then
came a whirlwind 21 hours in which Cassini flew by Polydeuces at 116,526
kilometers (72,406 miles), Mimas at 69,950 kilometers (43,465 miles),
Pallene at 36,118 kilometers (22,443 miles), Telesto at 48,455
kilometers (30,109 miles), Methone at 105,868 kilometers (65,783 miles),
Aegaeon at 96,754 kilometers (60,120 miles) and Dione at 31,710
kilometers (19,704 miles). Cassini's last visit -- Rhea at 38,752
kilometers (24,079 miles) â?" took place at 6:47 a.m. UTC on Oct. 17
(10:47 p.m. PDT on Oct. 16).

Scientists decided in advance which observations they wanted to make
while the spacecraft was cruising past all the moons. They chose to
obtain images of Titan, Mimas, Pallene, Dione and Rhea. They also
obtained thermal scans of Mimas, Dione and Rhea.

For more raw images, visit: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/photos/raw/ .

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the
European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet Propulsion
Laboratory manages the project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in
Washington. The Cassini orbiter was designed, developed and assembled at
JPL. The imaging operations center is based at the Space Science
Institute in Boulder, Colo.

More Cassini information is available, at t http://www.nasa.gov/cassini
and http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov.

Jia-Rui C. Cook 818-354-0850
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
jia-rui.c.c...@jpl.nasa.

Re: [meteorite-list] Could we get back to the science of meteorites, please ?

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Bernd/All,

Does anyone know any more about the classification of NWA 6260 which
is provisionally LL7
metachondrite...Has that been confirmed yet...Met Bulletin still says "Unknown"?

Cheers,

Graham, UK

On 18 October 2010 21:19,   wrote:
> Oops, sorry for the double post!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] 5 Kilo Iron Meteorite

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Would be interesting to know what happened to those irons found in
Australia? knowing what the laws are nowhave they been handed
in for study/classificationor just disappeared
mysteriouslyanyone know the finder of more about the story?

Jeff?

They look much younger than Henbury with very nice regmaglypts.

Graham, UK

On 17 October 2010 18:37, Meteorites USA  wrote:
> Anyone wanna talk about meteorites? ;) Seems someone found a couple...
>
> Eric
>
>
> On 10/16/2010 10:22 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>>
>> Another one... this time BIGGER! Strewnfield?
>> http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=7y6dDtPekzQ
>>
>> Geoff and Steve were in Australia just recently. Hmmm...
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2010 10:15 PM, Meteorites USA wrote:
>>>
>>> http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=-619OvFyi5w
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Re: [meteorite-list] Announcement...New Website is now up! Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Excellent site Doneverything one needs all in one site...or a link
to it if notI have bookmarked it.

Cheers,

Graham, UK

On 17 October 2010 03:27, Don Merchant  wrote:
> Hi List. I apologize that I have been away off the list for a long time. The
> reason is I decided to fulfill a long awaited dream of mine and create a
> website dedicated to meteorites and astronomy. I spent about a year and
> almost 2000 hours researching to put this together and ended up to be much
> longer then I anticipated. For those who know me I wanted to do it right and
> do not like to cut corners. This site is dedicated on my daughters birthday
> today, but is for all of you collectors out there and especially for those
> new to the field. There is no site like it in the world in my opinion. My
> eBay Info page will help many newbie's to the hobby and many of you will
> agree after viewing it, that it was about time something so detailed came
> along, which will help many new and veteran collectors. Though I have not
> listed any meteorites as of yet (shooting for first of the year) on my
> meteorite sales page, my format will be different then most of the dealers
> and sellers who already sell on their sites. I will not have the variety
> like they do. My plan is to only put up several type each couple of months.
> Those meteorites will be the rarest of the rare and hardest to acquire and
> or most historical. I posted about 5 months ago on my intentions of this
> website which is called Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders and wanted to
> thank those that contacted me with what I needed. I hope you will take the
> time to look over my site as it is very educational and the resources and
> tools will hopefully put me in your favorites! I designed this site for the
> new astronomer and new meteorite collector by using the many years I have
> involved with astronomy and meteorites and from the lessons I have learned.
> I hope my experience will suffice to all of you out there. Please feel free
> to pass my site along to those who you feel will gain from it. Hope you
> enjoy it and glad to finally have time to get back to the real world! My
> site address is below.
>
> Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders    www.ctreasurescwonders.com
>
> Thank you.
> Sincerely
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Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Richard,

Yes I am of a similar mind...not convinced but intrigued. The
unexplained in this world is always intriguing and I suppose its what
inspires the inquisitive mind, scientist, artist or just plain weirdo
to look for their own answer.

Keep up the good work,

Cheers,

Graham

On 14 October 2010 00:10, Richard Kowalski  wrote:
> Interesting story Graham.
>
> I'm also not convinced by these claims and have never seen a truly 
> uncorrupted experiment of these claims.
>
> The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I 
> think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind 
> experiment run by none other than Randy himself.
>
> I may not remember all of the particulars exactly but I do remember that the 
> experiment involved a number of dowsers, 5 covered or buried plastic pipes 
> and several different types of fluids, all involving multiple runs. I know 
> water and gasoline were two of the fluids and various runs had the fluids 
> both static and flowing.
>
> Not unexpectedly, all of the results were random... All results with the 
> exception of one. The dowsers were very obviously picking the correct pipe 
> that contained flowing water. And I don't mean a slight increase in the 
> statistics. It was strong positive result and an obvious anomaly in the data. 
> Ever since then I've been intrigued by this result. Not convinced, but 
> intrigued.
>
> Unfortunately at the end of the program, the not-so-amazing Randy manipulated 
> his results to show "no statistically significant" positive in the results, 
> even though they had shown just the opposite and the chart of the results 
> behind him also showed that there was. It was at that moment that the 
> not-so-amazing Randy lost all credibility as a debunker and all of his 
> results must be just as suspect as those results he claims to be disproving. 
> He proved to me he and his results are untrustworthy. I've certainly ignored 
> him ever since then.
>
> I'm still waiting to see a real, double blind, uncorrupted experiment on 
> this, several in fact, before I'm convinced that there is a real effect at 
> work here.
>
> --
> Richard Kowalski
> Full Moon Photography
> IMCA #1081
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi All,

I was in two minds about sharing this with the list as I am usually
with Darren on this sort of stuff...but

I just had to tell this storyand I am a complete non believer in
these sorts of things!

When visiting my friend on his farm many years ago we were watching
some builders doing work on the estate and to my surprise they were
using wire divining rods to find the drains running from and around
the property so that they knew where to dig to do repairs on them. We
were both disbelievers in such things.

Now my friend knew exactly where the drains ran under his lawn and
tennis court and he had seen the men using them the day before and
talked to them about itthey had shown him what to do and he had
had a go but although they did cross over drains he could not come to
terms with it as he knew where they were anyway, so thought that must
influence them crossing in some way.

He gave them to me and left me walking around the lawn and tennis
court whilst he went and fed the cattle. I wandered around putting
small pegs in the ground where I felt them crossI ended up with
two lines across the lawn. When he returned he was very bemused as I
was right on top of the two drainshe even showed me where they
came out in the ditch on the edge.  I had no idea where they would be.
I still to this day cannot explain it apart from it just being chance
or something else connected with the drains had influenced mebut
we did look around to see what that might belike a dip in the
ground or darker grass or similarbut we never figured anything
out.

I am still not convincedbut then again why did the
builders/workmen use them if  they do not work or helpthey would
be digging lots of pointless holes and that would not be good for
business???

One of those experiences that has always made me wonder.

Graham UK

On 13 October 2010 18:46, Darren Garrison  wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:54:10 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>I couldn't resist on this one.  With all due respect,some of the
>>members of the list need to visit   www.randi.org
>
> Randi himself:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuWymUzz4
>
>
> The ideomotor effect:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect
>
>
>
> http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Dave,

I am not really sure what you are getting at when talking of
check-lists of attributes defining professionals and scientists having
to address questions by the general public/collector? I cannot see how
the first would help anyone or how the second could ever be practical.

What it comes down to is having confidence in who you buy from or deal
with and trying to learn as much about the samples you wish to
collect.

There are very few options for the collector. In an ideal world it
would be great to have your own equipment to verify what you get or
have your own science contacts that could do that but that just isn't
going to happen. There is not enough time and very little point in
retesting small samples for individuals...it's just a waste of
resources and not productive.

Science benefits from new material being submitted by dealers and
dealers then benefit from material being verified and classified.
After that point you just have to choose dealers who have a good
reputation that are selling that classified material with provenance.
Otherwise there is no real substitute for having years of experience
studying, looking at hundreds of samples of all types in collections,
at shows, in books, online etc etc when it comes to choosing your
purchases.

It also depends on what your focus is when collecting meteorites..and
there are many different collectorssome concentrate on micros,
others planetary, types, aesthetic qualities etc etc. Science is
important in some more than others. I, for instance, like nothing
better than searching through a box of UNWA material at a show looking
for something aesthetically pleasing, showing flight markings or an
unusual shape or matrixsomething that may tell a story about it's
flight through the atmosphereevidence of impact craters on sikhote
alins.( I have even managed this by studying batches for sale on line)
Knowing what to buy then just relies on your own experience.

Regards,

Graham







On 9 October 2010 12:50, David Gunning  wrote:
>
> Hi Graham UK,
>
> The last time I looked there was no check-list of attributes defining
> what it means to be a "professional" meteorite dealer.
>
> The more I learn about the IMCA, and how it presents itself as a quasi
> enforcer of honest meteorite dealings between it's membership and the
> meteorite collecting community, at large, the more I like what I see.
>
> That is not to say, however, that I would want to subscribe to it's
> tenets of extreme trust that it's membership, you included, appears to
> crow about in place of solid verifiable scientific mineralogical evidence
> when purchasing meteorites, where and whenever possible.
>
> One of the difficulties, seems to me, is that the scientists, generally
> speaking, are too deeply insulated from having to address the questions
> and concerns of us mere ordinary mortals, non IMCA members.
> Professionalism, at it's best, means addressing those devilish details
> that don't always quite square-up, in my view.  Science, at it's best,
> should be verifiable and evidence based for even us ordinary mere
> mortals, don't you suppose?
>
> Verifiably yours,
>
> Dave Gunning
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> I think you will find in time that many of the most "professional"
>> meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard
>> on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations
>> over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal
>> "professionally" too but have other main professions not related to
>> meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many
>> many excellent dealers are part timemany only use the list very
>> occasionally.
>>
>> You may well have been contacted by 6 "professional" dealers but I
>> would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer
>> that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and
>> check out the archives. It takes a while I have found.
>>
>> I find the vast majority of people on the list are very "professional"
>> as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may
>> be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham UK IMCA#1835
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> After an initial responsive surge of 6 "professional" meteorite dealers
>>> to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up.
>>> Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what,
>>> 950,
>>> or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite
>>> dealers,
>>> (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be
>>> a
>>> ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1%
>>> total
>>> of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to
>>> allow themselves as being such on the list.
>>>
>>> Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor breaks up into three pieces

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Excellent shot Richardoutstanding!

Graham, UK

> - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" 
> To: "meteorite list" 
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 6:38 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor breaks up into three pieces
>
>
>> I was at the Catalina Schmidt telescope last night. Meteors we flying,
>> many apparently Draconids due to the peak of that shower.
>>
>> In several survey frames throughout the night meteors were visible. Not a
>> rarity as we catch a few every night. Last night I had a spectacular meteor
>> cross the field as it split into three parts.
>>
>> See the image here:
>>
>> http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/~kowalski/interesting_events.html
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
>> --
>> Richard Kowalski
>> Full Moon Photography
>> IMCA #1081
>>
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Professionals No Longer Sought

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Dave,

I think you will find in time that many of the most "professional"
meteorite dealers as you call them do not have to sell themselves hard
on the list or to individuals as they have built up their reputations
over many years and do not need to. There are many who deal
"professionally" too but have other main professions not related to
meteorites. Very few in the world hunt and deal full time and many
many excellent dealers are part timemany only use the list very
occasionally.

You may well have been contacted by 6 "professional" dealers but I
would take my time. Look around and study carefully what is on offer
that fits your needs from a wider field. Compare prices, quality and
check out the archives. It takes a while I have found.

I find the vast majority of people on the list are very "professional"
as collectors, scientists or dealers and as such any one of them may
be willing to help you out if you have a specific item you are after.

Regards

Graham UK IMCA#1835



On 8 October 2010 22:50, David Gunning  wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> After an initial responsive surge of 6 "professional" meteorite dealers
> to my ad seeking same, the surge has, apparently, subsided. Dried-up.
> Gone kaput.  So, lemme see, out of a total list membership of, what, 950,
> or so, members, and with six acknowledged professional meteorite dealers,
> (and other celestial objects dealers) amongst your ranks, that would be a
> ratio of 950 to 6 for an estimated percentage value of less that 1% total
> of professional dealers who view themselves as such and are willing to
> allow themselves as being such on the list.
>
> Wow, there sure must be alot of collectors and scientists on the list.
>
> How cool is that?
>
> Thanks, Chummies!
>
> Dave Gunning
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi All,

Just had to share thiswhen this post came up after all the talk of
eating meteorites I completely misread it and thought there was
actually a new "Meteorite CATERING book"!!gave me a good laugh
anyway.

So anyone got any recipes to go with the Tucson Auction Cake? Perhaps
we can put our own book together...

Franconia Frangipane served in a Gold Basin with a side order of
Tucson Ring doughnuts?

Must be nearly lunchtime  :-)

Graham, Nr Bar-well! UK

On 6 October 2010 02:13, Dennis Miller  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Anita and all I sent a post a few weeks ago about this publication. 
> It can
> be purchased through The Geological Society of America for $99 and if you are 
> a
> member of the GSA, it's only $70. 1-888-443-4472 This is just one of many 
> reasons
> to join the GSA. If more meteorite collectors were members, we would have a
> better avenue, through the GSA, to change some of these vague laws for 
> collecting
> space material.
> Dennis Miller
> GSA Associate Member
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 07:49:13 -0700
>> From: anitawestl...@att.net
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite Cratering Book
>>
>> Dear List:
>> I received notice of this new book on cratering. It's a little pricey at
>> $112.92, but here's the link if you're interested:
>>
>>
>> http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/page8278.html
>>
>> Anita
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Re: [meteorite-list] Gigapan and Barratta Thin Section

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Ted,

Great ideaamazing shots and wonderful to be able to pan around
zooming in and out on all that detail.
Look forward to seeing more.

Cheers,

Graham UK

On 19 September 2010 10:42, ted brattstrom  wrote:
> Aloha -
>
> In concert with Bob Walker - of Queensland, and the person who takes the thin 
> section images for him, I figured that, a series of images of a thin section 
> could be stitched together using GigaPan, and presented for your enjoyment.
>
> These two are the first attempts, and are using the 20x image set. When I 
> have some more free time :-) the 50x set will get stitched together,
>
> For those who haven't played with gigapan images, The cool part is you can do 
> some serious zooming! since the overall image is made up of a number of high 
> resolution images, the potential is good. In these cases, 16 images were 
> joined up to make a 120MB image. The focus still needs to be worked on. 
> That's over at the original image side of things :-)  I hope the 50x ones are 
> a bit crisper!
>
> If all goes well, we'll start a whole series of these! I'm looking forward to 
> it.
>
> cheers - Ted Brattstrom
>
>
> Barratta - L4
>
> (Handy Hint - Launch the Full Screen Viewer)
>
> xpol
>
> http://gigapan.org/gigapans/59099/
>
> Normal
>
> http://gigapan.org/gigapans/59098/
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Other hobbies?

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Hi Ruben,

Here's some more for your collection that you missed... ;-)

chips, bread, rolls, lettuce, kale, bacon, coconuts, beans, fish,
potatoes, bananas, buckaroos, bucks, fins, sawbucks, hundies,
Jacksons, grands, Gs, K, smack, smackers, wampum, bills, moolah,
means, checks, drafts, shrapnel, wads, plaster, bankroll, capital,
finances, currency, funds, gold, stash, bundle, fortune, lucre, chump
change, pin money, shekels, resources, boffo, ponies, doubloons,
wherewithal, treasure, dibs, bits, dosh, pesos, bullets, coin,
monkeys, silver, pelf, tender, scrip, pittance, guineas, gelt, bones,
stake, pap, spondulicks, quids, pocket money, specie, jack, change,
mite, king’s ransom, mint, paper, loonies, mazuma, pieces of eight,
frogskins, long green, folding green, green, riches, rivets, big ones,
banknotes, dead presidents, chits, scrilla, loot.

Hope ypo've got a very secure display cabinet!

Happy hunting,

Graham, UK

On 16 September 2010 19:01, Ruben Garcia  wrote:
> Other than meteorites I collect (in no particular order)
>
> Dollars
> Greenbacks
> Benjamin's
> C-Notes
> Clams
> Cabbage
> Cash
> Dough
> Scratch
> Somalians
> Mula
> Dinero
> Fedia
> and of course Cash!
>
>
> Rock On!
>
> Ruben Garcia
>
> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u
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Re: [meteorite-list] Other hobbies?

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Interesting to see what diverse things other meteorite enthusiasts are
intomy list...

Mycologyparticularly collecting and eating wild mushrooms.
(positive ID crucial!)
All forms of Contemporary Arts, Crafts and Sculpture.
Printing and drawing meteorite forms (a long term ongoing
project...see me presenting one of my prints to Stephen Hawking
here...
http://www.derbyastronomy.org/HawkingVisit280508.htm - Other art
projects here -  www.g8artists.co.uk)
Collecting Raku ceramics.
Wood turning.
Astronomy.
Photography.
Ichnology.
Gardening.
Travel.

Graham UK IMCA #1835

On 15 September 2010 23:58, Alexander Seidel  wrote:
> Astronomy, observational (still to buy a real good telescope)
> Astronomy, theoretical (my professional beginnings with a thesis)
>
> Meteorite hardware, the real stuff (my passion for decades)
> Meteorite thin sections, the glass thing (my passion since 1992)
> Meteorite books, the many-pages-thing (my younger passion)
>
> Travelling (my all-time-passion)
> Satellite observing (hobby with 2 COSPAR stations 1969 - 1990s, now over)
>
> Good food, liquid: especially all sorts of beer, and single malt whiskies
> Good food, non-liquid: all local specialities, preferred mediterranean
>
> Feeling more sort of a lazy bone than a work-aholic, yet loving the job..
>
> My wife Silvia, our dog Ronja, my cat Trixi - well you can´t really call
> these a hobby, rather they are an essential part of your own life
>
> (...and sometimes hard labo(u)r), yes!)
>
> :-)
> Alex
> Berlin/Germany
>
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite from upstate New York

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Hi All,

Does anyone on the list know if there was a meteorite fall somewhere
close to Watertown in upstate New York sometime in the first half of
the 20th century.
Just investigating an interesting story that has just been passed on to me.

Graham  UK IMCA #1835
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[meteorite-list] Irish meteor! You bet?

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Hi All,

Just been looking for more on the latest reports and found
thisgave me a laugh anyway!

http://betzoo.co.uk/meteorite-lands-in-ireland-when-will-the-precious-rock-will-be-found-and-will-traces-of-primitive-life-be-found-on-the-meteorite/

Graham UK IMCA #1835
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor shower meteorite dropping events

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Hi Chris,

There are many, many meteorites that fell during meteor showers as
showers happen on a regular basis,e.g. Gemenids, Leonids, Persieds
etc. etc. but that does not mean to say that the meteorite fall had
any association with the shower.

Graham, UK

On 12 August 2010 04:59, Chris Spratt  wrote:
> I know of one meteor shower (November Andromedids) where an iron meteorite
> fell in Mazapil, Mexico during the shower.
>
> Are there any similar events?
>
> Chris Spratt
> Victoria, BC
> (Via my iPhone)
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[meteorite-list] 2008TC3 TV show

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Hi All,

Does anyone on the list know if the National Geographic prog about
2008TC3 has been uploaded anywhere on line anywhere that I can get it
to watch? It has just been shown over here in the UK but not
subscribing to that channel at the moment.

Cheers,

Graham UK, IMCA 1836
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Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil crater website

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Does anyone know if the large Gebel Kamil main mass individual with
regmaglypts was found on the surface or was buried and how close to
the crater?

Just thinking that the shrapnel pieces would have landed on the
surface after exploding from the crater a a much lower velocity than
individuals...thus individuals with character/crust are much more
likely to be buried deeper and perhaps many more of them may be found
with detectors at a later date/expedition. Perhaps there is a strewn
field of these individuals associated with the crater similar to
Sikhote Alin.

Any thoughts anyone?

Graham, UK
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Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil crater website

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Hi All,

Been having trouble posting to the list so this topic was a while back
but finally

Just uploaded some photos of my 1.2kg Gebel Kamil with evidence of
remnant fusion crustthe only piece I could find in
Ensisheim.anyone else found similar?

Thanks for pointing out the website Gary...great pictures and a
fantastic new one for the collection.

Hope the link works...here.

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/GEBEL%20KAMIL%20METEORITE/

Graham, Nr Barwell, UK
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[meteorite-list] Test - delete

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Test - delete
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Re: [meteorite-list] DEMOCRATIC FILTERING

[E J]

Hey!  Great to have you back...
Perhaps it isn't the conspiracy you feel it to be.  I can understand
your sense of paranoia but your allegations are not consistent with the
reality of Internet operations.  Off topic  but many Internet managers 
maintain a dynamic list(black list) of ISPs( Internet Service Providers)
that are being breeched and are sending out copious amounts of spam.  It
happens to me on my local hill billy ISP far too often on this list and
it is here in the US.  If your ISP is blacklisted, it is frozen out of
sending message traffic to certain domains, as the case may be, for the
time period which major spamming attacks are on going.  If it is
frequently breeched and is slow to respond it might remain on the list
for days.

This is pretty much described in your back channel messages you quoted
and has nothing to do with the meteorite list.  I can see how you might
be skeptical, knowing how Americans and the New World Order  are
secretly moving to control the meteorite market as a practice run on the
world computer chip industry.

Normally, it is the ISP that does the negotiation with the other domains
and not the end user.   However, you have disbelieved the IT manager's
messages so I guess what I am saying is redundant.

my bad   back to /in stfu.

/EJ/
/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I take this as an example of the best American, pluralistic and democratic
>spirit.
>  
>
You are going to take it however you wish but no need to get
anti-American, this is an international list.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Vision Rock: Final Answer?

[E J]

You want the truth?  You can't handle the truth"... Jack Nicholson in "A
Few Good Men"

Gze This started out as a fight I had no dog in; now it is
so beyond worth dealing with, it is a Dog I have no fight left in.  Next
time I speak up tell me to remain /in stfu/.

I posted lengthy replies regarding the Vision Rock with specifics--
why,what, and where, underpinned my statements with verifiable
information.  So this talk about trying to squash scientific inquiry is
rubbish.  It is clear to me that what I wrote wasn't read anyway. I have
been chided for things which I didn't do and vice versa.   And let me
clarify, It wasn't so much the issue of meteorite lab time as it was
about shooting down one's personal credibility by sending a obvious
meteorwrong off to a lab and becoming another statistic in their eyes of
the meteorite experts that don't know Jack.

It is hard to chop lengthy details into sound bites when one is
answering complicated questions.  Even harder to communicate technical
details when the audience is not sure where to begin nor what questions
to ask.   What the Vision Rock is "specifically or technically" isn't an
easy answer. And the owner would not likely understand anyway.  It is
fairly easy to get in the ball park of identification but I am not going
to tell anyone go to the Palermo Mine or the St Lawrence County Mining
district of New York or to look down in the creek bed.  I gave anyone
that read it hints enough.  Few here likely know that  many minerals are
only discernible at the molecular level. You look at their sample and
tell them it is calcite and they argue that you are wrong because they
bought if from a dealer that said it is ferro-mangnoancalcite.  There
are perhaps 20-30 minerals in what is called the Kaolin-Serpentine group
and one can only reliably identify 4 - 8 of them by sight alone.  There
are 250 minerals from New Hampshire so that should narrow one's search
(:-)   Gary is trying to identify a rock and that is not the same as a
mineral.  So now add another 8-12 rock types to evaluate and you can
start to see the scope of effort to answer "what is this exactly"? What
is the difference between marble, hornfels, pegmatite, gneiss, and
basalt? In some places? as little as about 30 feet.

I think I was the only poster that attempted to answer Gary's technical
issues.   I believe I have been a strong supporter for him,
understanding he is in a dilemma . We are differing in approach, but to
me, support doesn't mean being a yes man. I believe he has undertaken
his own quest to understand and his first meteorite identification case
is complicated beyond most everyone's experience.  In the old days list
the members were not bickering about TKWs and pairings but were generous
with their technical knowledge.  Sorry I am used to the old list where
folks actually addressed complicated answers.  I know I come across as
pedantical but I am not. There are already those rolling on the floor
laughing and  writing rebuttals without finishing what I've said.

This whole Vision Quest affair is ultimately moot for no amount of
technical proof  is going to  resolve this situation because the owner
is seeking a specific answer and not "the truth"and any answer other
than a Martian meteorite challenges his vision.  (Do the affairs of
Boggy Creek  or Frass Martian Grasshoppers stir anyone's memory?) I
believe the owner is pressing him( Gary) to prove it isn't a
meteorite.   I believe Gary's willingness to tackle this problem has put
him in a no-win situation. Time will tell one way or another.  

So let me back off everything I have said about the possible
identification of this rock as I don't want to restrict anyone's right
to conduct an investigation in a manner of their choosing. Maybe is far
more rewarding to exude enthusiasm and dream dreams than to deal with
the realities and probabilities of Ockhum's  Razor.( Yes, I don't follow
minimum message length theory in practice).  If the Vision Rock owner is
happy with the identification of a hematite nodule, magnetite schist, or
a sheared off piece of sub continental-shelf sea-floor--that is what is
most important, right?  But the next round of Ebay auctions might read
"Frands..und Viures... Let me share with you another defeat for the
Priests of Baal...G*d sent me an unbeliever meteorite expert and not
even he could prove me wrong!  He tried to trick me with words  but I
said Get  Behind me Satan and sent him packing!! What G*d hath said let
no mortal man dispute!"

On a side note, why did no one  address the the question about knowing
why this can't be a Martian Meteorite?  I have a good idea why no one
spoke up but it is only a close guess and you know the cliche "close is
only good for horseshoes and hand grenades".  Very few seem interested
in science anymore--too frequently it is an inconvenient truth that gets
in the way of our poker game so we really aren't interested.  We prefer
to argue esoteric "pin-head" things lik

Re: [meteorite-list] Seeking Knowledge and Dealing with Meteorwrong Owners was Classification Q

[E J]

Hello Gary, Pete, List

I've held back discussing this again as I am not the one on the "vision
quest".  However, you've raised the issue of getting this classified aka
lab tested--at a meteorite lab amongst other things. You think he can
sell this for a sum and rebuild his failing ministry.  He'll make more
in bake sales.   For Pete's sake...and mine , please tell us why you
remain convinced that this is "valuable specimen" beyond a that of
landscaping boulder?  "Interesting" doesn't equate to rare and valuable.
If it were, my collection would be worth millions.  I also want to say I
loathe going out on a limb especially working with photographs--there
will always be someone near by with pruning shears and they have a long
memory for when you made a bad call.

Old Man's ambush of the whipper snapper:
There are 3 straight up reasons not requiring lab work that show this
can't be a Martian meteorite-- name one? 

How to Beef Up your Knowledge Base:
In a nut shell, a way to improve your identification knowledge is to get
out and see all the rocks you can,  So when one does come up that you
haven't seen before, you'll have a better basis to judge if it is rare
or if it is just interesting. Additionally: read, read, read.  Google is
your friend.  Get Norton's "Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites" and 
McSween's "Meteorites and their Parent Bodies"  Read them three times. 
Study your own collection, practice describing each specimen to your self.

Advice from the Good Ole Boy& Girl Network:
As far as seeking classification(?)  Trust me on this , your credibility
is on the line every time you refer a specimen for "meteorite "
identification and that credibility slips down the toilet when you send
in an obvious meteorwrong. The way I see it is, you owe a duty to the
astro-geologist you contact to not waste his/her time.  If you do a
field accessment and are unable to eliminate/ exclude an object as a
meteorite, only then do you start considering recommending it to a
meteorite lab and that only after you've floated it to your other
colleagues for their input.   If you hold yourself out as a meteorite
expert then you better be able to back it up with several the reasons it
is not likely a meteorite or these meteorwrong owners will eat your
lunch and send you packing with your tail twixed your legs--Because you
did not confirm their rock as a meteorite--They obviously know more than
you do!.  I re-learn the following lesson each day: You should not
interfere with another's right to remain ignorant. No matter how much
wishing, hoping, or praying it isn't going to turn this "water into
wine".  No matter how sincere you believe this pastor is--his hidden
agenda is to keep this dream alive until he can explain it away and face
the reality that this was not a God send.  I assure you it has nothing
to do with mineralogy. Some churches die on the vine for good reasons!
Check out Luke's Gospel?--it has been a while since I did any church
preaching.  I feel for you but your Dutch Uncle would likely advise you
to get away from this situation as soon as you can extract yourself
honoring whatever commitments you've made.   Read what Randy Korotev has
to say after dealing with 1000's of meteorwrong owners


The Quest
New Hampshire isn't a large state(nor is Vermont ) and seems you would
have scoured the state by now if not in person via google.  Google the 
Chlorite mineral group (esp. Clinochlore) and the rock types 
greenschist , blueschist, and syenite. (See the links way below)  I only
have state for location, cursory description and photos(needing a
reference object--coin, ruler, etc.) which you've taken down to go on.

The new photo makes me go back to Actenolite-Tremolite as I can see
large crystals and to me this looks like other occurrences I have seen. 
The "flaky" granules point to Clinochlore or any of several Chlorite
group minerals.  I think this rock is not homogeneous but a mix of
parents because Chlorite and Tremolite aren't usually associated but
they are found in adjacent deposits.  If just going by casual
appearances I would note that a cut face of Bilinga also shows some
crystal faces as so do some Eucrites.

You must have wondered where the  depressions in the Vision rock came
from if not "regmaglypts".  Well remember the furry over human foot
prints found inside dinosaur foot prints in soft shale in Texas by some 
"Creation"(sic) Scientists?  When conventional scientist went to the
location they found the  heals of the dinosaur tracks had been doctored
to human shape during "clean out".  The Creationists were cleaning out
the tracks until their foot would fit in the depression.  Well... you
see where this is going.

Options:

1. Port this over to the Rockhound's List at Drizzle.com.  There are
world class mineralogist there and this is their forte. Avoid telling
them what you think it is and ask them what it might be based on
location and p