[meteorite-list] Meteowrong anecdotes?
<< I was wondering, have any of you been approached with any really absurd meteowrongs? >> Just one or two! Here's my all time favourite meteowrong email.. "On Mar 5 1989 at 705 pm, I was tooling north on HWY 71 in Loisiana when i felt and heard a sharp snap that sounded like a bullet hitting. I got out of the car and looked for bullet holes but didn't see any. I continued, on the return i noticed one of my headlights was out. (It turned dark) In the am i began replacing the headlight when i found the hole i had missed the last night but the angle didn't look right. i stuck a 1/2 " dowel in the hole and figured it had entered at about 5 degrees east and 10 degrees north. I removed the headlight and found this little critter inside. The object had pierced the headlight, bounced off the frame of the car and ended up inside the headlight. I immediately suspected islamic terrorists, of course. (i was way ahead of the curve on this, i spent time in the middle east) being forced to abandon this theory (it required a muslem shooting a rock gun from a heilocopter) i concluded that it was a meteorite. had i been in a little more of a hurry it would have entered at my clavicle and exited at my ...well never mind. the picture is poor, it feels like it's made of metal and has little pits in it. it's about 5/8". i was hoping someone could tell me what it is. i keep it to remind me of the fickle finger of fate. i found (on the web) some nickle iron ones that look like it, course i found some nickle iron ones that didn't." -- Can anyone beat that?? Rob Elliott _www.meteorites.uk.com_ (http://www.meteorites.uk.com/) Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC # 2 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stollen NWA meteorites-Photo
Dear List, the weird Moroccan is a guy named Mohamed Ait Ouzrou. He's a complete whackjob. Mental health care in Morocco ain't all it could be. His meteorite scam is pretty simple (it has to be!) : 1) Advertise best quality meteorites, ship poor quality meteorites 2) Make sure some of the meteorites are terrestrial crap. 3) Accept a reduced payment to reflect the poor quality, but demand FULL payment at a later date He's accused me, so here's my response. This is just the gist of our email exchangesthere were too many to include them all. If Mohamed throws another tantrum, I won't be here to see it - it's our Silver Wedding anniversary in a few days, so my Mrs and I are going on holiday :-) - In a message dated 09/07/2005 03:50:11 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your package has arrived and I have looked at the pieces. Sorry Mohamed, but these are not the good quality meteorites as you promisedthey are old and weathered and many are cracked..etc etc..I will need to return them to you. Cheers, Rob. - Hello Rob I'll send a good material next shipping and you'll see its pctures before sending. Do you agree ? Happy life my friend Always Mohamed. - Hi Mohamed, sorry, but the meteorites are not good. The "non-magnetic" stone is a common ordinary chondrite, and the others are so badly weathered that some of them are cracked and falling apart. I will have to return them all to you, so please send me your address. If you have good quality stones, then I am interested! Cheers, Rob. - Hello Rob this is the first step ,we should help ourselves ,you can send one half -$400- i need the money. I think that the best way (iam working with) is ;sending pictures and you shoose the pieces you like .then i send them. be sure that i will send you 10kg up to 20 good material but i'll let you see them,you have a good deals in europ. in case you are not agree you can shipp my materials to this address: *Dealer's Name & address removed!* Also i will pay transport. can you tell me what about the pictures. Have a nice day Always Mohamed - Hello Mohamed, I have sent payment to you by Western Union and it can be collected at your local office anytime now. My reference is 2593869948 for a total of 3477.04 Dirham and it was sent to you in my full name, Robert Elliott. Please let me know when you have received it and I can order more meteorites from you. Cheers, Rob. - Dear ROBERT ELLIOTT, Thank you for using the Western Union Money TransferSM. Your money transfer has been picked up by the receiver. Following is a summary of your transaction. -- -- TRANSACTION DETAILS: -- -- MTCN: 2593869948 Date of Order: 07/22/2005 Amount Sent: £229.00 Receiver Name: AIT OUZROU\MOHAMED Status: Picked Up Exchange rate* 1.00 GBP = 15.1835938 MAD Local currency pay out = 3477.04 MAD *Currency Exchange. -- Money transfers will normally be paid in the currency of the destination country. In some countries, payment is available in U.S. dollars or other alternate currency. In addition to the transfer fees applicable to each transaction, Western Union will apply a currency exchange rate to convert your funds into foreign currency. Any difference between the currency exchange rate given offered to customers and the currency exchange rate received by Western Union will be kept by Western Union (and, in some instances, its agents) in addition to the transfer fee. SENDING TO COUNTRIES THAT PROVIDE PAYMENT IN MULTIPLE CURRENCIES: Some Western Union Agents may offer Receivers the choice to receive funds in a currency different from the one that you selected. In such instances, Western Union (or its Agents) may make additional money when your funds are converted into the currency selected by the receiver. However, your recipient may, in some countries, elect to receive another currency, in which case the currency exchange rate that Western Union applies to your transaction may differ from the one applicable to a transaction paid in the currency you selected. Thank you for using Western Union! -- -- Up yours, Mohamed. YUC & YUM! :-) Rob Elliott _www.meteorites.uk.com_ (http://www.meteorites.uk.com/) Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Telephone: 01592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 International Tel: +44-1592-751563 Email: [E
Re: [meteorite-list] Stollen NWA meteorites-Photo
Dear List, the Moroccan who won't sign his name is Mohamed Ait Ouzrou. His meteorite scam is pretty simple: 1) Advertise best quality meteorites, ship poor quality meteorites 2) Make sure some of the meteorites are terrestrial crap. 3) Accept a reduced payment to reflect the poor quality, but demand FULL payment at a later date He's accused me, so here's my response. This is just the gist of our email exchangesthere were too many to include them all. If Mohamed throws another tantrum, I won't be here to see it - it's our Silver Wedding anniversary in a few days, so my Mrs and I are going on holiday :-) - In a message dated 09/07/2005 03:50:11 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your package has arrived and I have looked at the pieces. Sorry Mohamed, but these are not the good quality meteorites as you promisedthey are old and weathered and many are cracked..etc etc..I will need to return them to you. Cheers, Rob. - Hello Rob I'll send a good material next shipping and you'll see its pctures before sending. Do you agree ? Happy life my friend Always Mohamed. - Hi Mohamed, sorry, but the meteorites are not good. The "non-magnetic" stone is a common ordinary chondrite, and the others are so badly weathered that some of them are cracked and falling apart. I will have to return them all to you, so please send me your address. If you have good quality stones, then I am interested! Cheers, Rob. - Hello Rob this is the first step ,we should help ourselves ,you can send one half -$400- i need the money. I think that the best way (iam working with) is ;sending pictures and you shoose the pieces you like .then i send them. be sure that i will send you 10kg up to 20 good material but i'll let you see them,you have a good deals in europ. in case you are not agree you can shipp my materials to this address: *Dealer's Name & address removed!* Also i will pay transport. can you tell me what about the pictures. Have a nice day Always Mohamed - Hello Mohamed, I have sent payment to you by Western Union and it can be collected at your local office anytime now. My reference is 2593869948 for a total of 3477.04 Dirham and it was sent to you in my full name, Robert Elliott. Please let me know when you have received it and I can order more meteorites from you. Cheers, Rob. - Dear ROBERT ELLIOTT, Thank you for using the Western Union Money TransferSM. Your money transfer has been picked up by the receiver. Following is a summary of your transaction. -- -- TRANSACTION DETAILS: -- -- MTCN: 2593869948 Date of Order: 07/22/2005 Amount Sent: £229.00 (Pounds Sterling) Receiver Name: AIT OUZROU\MOHAMED Status: Picked Up Exchange rate* 1.00 GBP = 15.1835938 MAD Local currency pay out = 3477.04 MAD *Currency Exchange. -- Money transfers will normally be paid in the currency of the destination country. In some countries, payment is available in U.S. dollars or other alternate currency. In addition to the transfer fees applicable to each transaction, Western Union will apply a currency exchange rate to convert your funds into foreign currency. Any difference between the currency exchange rate given offered to customers and the currency exchange rate received by Western Union will be kept by Western Union (and, in some instances, its agents) in addition to the transfer fee. SENDING TO COUNTRIES THAT PROVIDE PAYMENT IN MULTIPLE CURRENCIES: Some Western Union Agents may offer Receivers the choice to receive funds in a currency different from the one that you selected. In such instances, Western Union (or its Agents) may make additional money when your funds are converted into the currency selected by the receiver. However, your recipient may, in some countries, elect to receive another currency, in which case the currency exchange rate that Western Union applies to your transaction may differ from the one applicable to a transaction paid in the currency you selected. Thank you for using Western Union! -- -- Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Mobile: 07880-888660 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC # 2 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listin
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting in Moss
Hi folks! Keeping the British end up, a couple of us flew out to Norway recently for a few days hunting the strewnfield. I've posted some pictures at http://fernlea.tripod.com/moss.html Enjoy! Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliottwww.meteorites.uk.comFernlea Meteorites,The Wynd,Off Dickson Lane,Milton of Balgonie,Fife. KY7 6PYUnited KingdomTelephone: 01592-751563Mobile: 07880-888660International Tel: +44-1592-751563Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]PC # 5 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sonic Booms Associated With Recovered Falls?
In a message dated 07/04/04 13:31:16 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious if anyone knows of recovered meteorites which have had sonic booms heard/felt during their fall. Jeff, the Bovedy fall of April 1969, Northern Ireland produced (sonic?) booms that were caught on audio tape. And the Leighlinbridge fall (Ireland again, but Eire) was reported to have rattled windows and tripped burglar alarms - witnesses thought that a bomb had exploded. To hear the Bovedy recording, go to my website and find my "Bovedy" listing. There's a link within the description for downloading a short sound file in wav format. Bovedy is a very pretty type 3, so check out the picture too. Cheers, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC # 1
Re: [meteorite-list] last years park forest meteorite headlines
In a message dated 26/03/04 15:25:26 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In all the hype last year during the fall Rob Elliott offered one guy $30,000 for his meteorite and the guy turned Rob down. I doubt that anybody would offer that now but I wonder if anybody knows if the guy ever sold his meteorite and if so what he got for it? Curius minds are just wondering Cheers DEAN Yep and I'd have paid it happily, but he (Noe Garza) already had a tentative offer of $50,000 for the "Garza Stone", so my $30k offer fell flat. However, I did purchase some other nice pieces from Noe, including the 178g end piece which broke off the mass when it hit the wooden joist in the attic, and made the second hole in the ceiling plaster. Oddly, this 178g piece bounced around inside the bedroom and then flew right out of the window before being picked up on the patio. Other souvenirs that came home with me were the wooden joist - smashed into 4 or 5 pieces but which still assembles beautifully - and the punched-out ceiling plaster discs from the holes. One of the coolest fragments from the Garza Stone is a small end piece with ceiling plaster and window sill paint over the fusion crust. Gregory Wilson is now the proud owner of this piece, and I'm sure he'll post some pictures of it later. My Park Forest pics are still online at http://fernlea.tripod.com/park.html Fun times, fondly remembered! Cheers, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC # 1
Re: [meteorite-list] RI Christmas Lectures
In a message dated 05/01/04 14:10:36 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone else in the UK see this? Hi Mark, yep, I saw the RI Christmas lectures and thought Monica was on fine form. I guess I've seen just about every lecture broadcast over the last 30-ish years, and it's become something of a Christmas tradition here. I recognised the NHM's Estherville, Imilac and Parnallee on the show.they are usually sitting outside Monica's office in Mineralogy. All three are large, awesome meteorites. For those that have never seen the shows, the annual Royal Institution lectures are aimed at youngsters, and lean towards making science fun. There's always lots of loud explosions during the demonstrations, and visual stuff to keep the kids interested. Great fun, even for us kids who are now in our 40's :-) Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC # 1
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite calender 2004
In a message dated 06/12/03 18:08:30 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But that doesn't mean no one else can produce a "Meteorite Calendar". In fact I know Rob from Fernlea Meteorites has printed a small run of an exotic 2004 calendar featuring some of his fine collection, among other 'things'. He's probably sold out by now though. Hi Roman and all, I have about 40 of our 2004 meteorites calendar still available, and listed on my site at http://fernlea.tripod.com/calendar.html If you're easily offended, or if you're under 21, you should not click there! It's a one-off and there won't be a 2005 calendar from me..which is a real shame, 'cos I really enjoyed taking all of the photographs :-) Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC # 1
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Kiddy
In a message dated 22/10/03 16:02:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone want to deal with these freaks? They have a large sandstone piece worth tens of millions of pounds! Rob? They sent me their "meteorite Kiddy" pictures a couple of weeks ago, so I think I'll pass. Weird emails claiming "I've found a meteorite!!" seem to have increased recently. Some of them are pretty funny and obviously scams or spoofs..here's a few of my favourites from recent weeks. The only editing I've done is to remove names, email addresses, etc: "hi,i got the reply about the picture .i tried photographing it and it came out blank. the stone is 6 kg and 6 months old since it was discovered. the characteristics are:very highly radioactive,when put near a car,the car would not start.emits very bright light.when place on soil,it digs itself in.it moves slowly from sunlight into a shade.if touch with bear hands it sends electric shocks." "Got a meteor fpor sale Urgent Ron is the Owner" "Important Factors : This Meteor has been continiously evapurating it's hard cosmic dust materials. e.g. :-> 1. When this Meteor was found 50 yrs back, it's weight was almost approximately 250 gms . However, From that onwards, this meteor has been continously loosing it's weight as well as continiously reducing it's size and shape . Now Today, it's weight remains only 60 gms ." "REIMBOLD METEORITE 1047 set in a s s pendant" Sadly, I do have many more ;-) Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] RI Christmas Lectures
Hi folks, just had a chat with Dr Grady at the NHM. Fellow Brits might like to know that Monica will be presenting the annual Royal Institution Christmas Lecture series this year, with 5, hour-long lectures broadcast on Channel 4 television. The series is called "Voyage in Space and Time" and you can read more at http://www.rigb.org/events/christmaslectures.html Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Denver Show - Part II
In a message dated 18/09/03 01:49:23 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a middle age man This man was Rob Elliott. Middle-aged??? Mark, please remind me to buy you several large "oatmeal cookies" next Denver show ;-) Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Denver
In a message dated 09/09/03 02:17:37 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will be - my first Denver-show. Anne Black kindly relieved some anxieties by letting me know that there is plenty of good, spicy food in Denver I'll be in Denver from Thursday - Sunday...and I'll be bringing my own sandwiches ;-) Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Crumlin
In a message dated 02/09/03 18:28:13 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I've been scouring old newspapers from 1902 trying to find info on the Crumlin fall from March 14th of that year to do a follow up search.Absolutely zilch,nada. >> Jim, the Crumlin fall had a mention in a couple of newspapers of the time...The Irish Weekly Independent and also the Dublin Daily Express. I have a Crumlin page uploaded at http://fernlea.tripod.com/crumlin.html Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beer!
In a message dated 31/07/03 14:26:19 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/3013192.stm Is it just me, or do you all think that a certain Britisher with odd tastes in beer had something to do with this? Moi?? ;-) Actually, when I first visited the Wold Cottage a couple of years ago, the meteorite and it's monument was often mentioned in the advertising flyers & tourist information (Wold Cottage offers bed & breakfast), but it always seemed to me that it was added more as an afterthought, than a direct tourist attraction and feature. While chatting with the owner, I told him that the Wold Cottage was a pretty big deal in meteorite history, and that most meteorite collectors around the world knew of it's significance in helping to gain recognition and acceptance of rocks that fell out of the sky. Maybe my (over)enthusiasm helped? << Maybe with a bit of help from a tall person from the West coast, someone with a fishy name? :-) >> Yep, Gregory was there too...we did our best with him, but it was very hard work ;-) (Is it normal for someone to travel internationally, with a jar of pickled jalapenos??) Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Beer!
In a message dated 30/07/03 09:27:36 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New Meteorite Beer http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/humber/3013192.stm Hi Mark and all. Last week, Gregory Wilson, my wife Irene and I stopped off at the Wold Cottage in Yorkshire, England, during the drive from Fernlea to London. The meteorite beer wasn't quite ready for sampling, but the owner gave us a few souvenir labels to keep http://fernlea.tripod.com/woldbottlelabel.jpg More Wold Cottage visit pictures at http://fernlea.tripod.com/woldcottage.html Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sellers list, eBay name change
In a message dated 08/07/03 17:09:51 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About six months ago, I was getting as much spam as I was getting mail from this list. I changed my ISP and started off with a different email address and had remarkable results. For the first three months, I got almost no spam. Then the numbers started increasing. Maybe the solution is to change your email address a couple of times a year. Hi John and all. A few weeks ago, I was looking over my 16 year old son's shoulder while he was online, and noticed that he was deleting several spam emails from his mailbox..some of which had some pretty ominous sounding subject lines!! Not wanting him to be exposed to this kind of stuff, I insisted that I closed his AOL email address and opened up a new one for him. He wasn't particularly impressed by this idea, but I had the last word on the matter ;-) His new AOL email address took only a few moments to set up and everything seemed fine. Unfortunately, when he went online with his new email address the very next morning, the spammers had already left him a couple of emails. Given that his new email address had only existed for a matter of 12 hours or so and that he hadn't sent any emails yet, it looks as though the spammers are always one step ahead of us! Cheers, Rob. Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
In a message dated 28/06/03 04:01:36 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just got a request from a customer that I give him a refund for a specimen he purchased a month or so ago from me that he wants to return now. His request was not based on the fact that the specimen was damaged or otherwise in a different condition than described when it was sold to him. The request he felt was justified because he thinks the specimen is now not worth as much as he paid for it bach then. This story sounds very familiar to me. A couple of years ago, I shipped a meteorite to a buyer and agreed to accept payment in 4 monthly installments. The first 3 installments arrived on schedule, but the 4th and final payment was witheld. There was no explanation giventhe payment just wasn't sent to me. Being a trusting soul, I let it go for several more weeks before emailing a polite reminder, enquiring about this "missing" payment. The buyer emailed me back and stated that final payment would not be made, as the price of that particular meteorite had fallen over the last few months. !?!?! Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite on Saturday Night Live
In a message dated 09/06/03 05:31:08 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and there was an exhibit by an artist who used meteorites in her work. Or claimed to. What she did, apparently, was heat an iron meteorite in an oven until it was "red hot" (must have a HECK of an oven!) and then place it on maps to burn areas of them away, making crisp-edged artificial "craters" in cities and towns... I *think* the idea was to mimic the destruction of the said city or town by a meteorite in a "graphical way everyone could appreciate"... or she could just have been taking the , I'm not sure. Either way, a typical "work" (an A4 sized map with a 1" hole burned into it) was selling for a LOT of money. Stuart, these "meteorite maps" are the work of artist Cornelia Parker. She used a genuine iron meteorite to burn impact craters on specific map locationsthe Millenium Dome, Buckingham Palace, Houses of Parliament, you get the idea. It's been several years since I sold her the meteorite, but I'm pretty sure that it was a Henbury (IIIAB). Here's a web page interview which explains her interest in meteorites in art. http://www.channel4.com/culture/microsites/T/turner/CorneliaParker.htm Click on the link "Relevance". Cheers, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] the illinois meteorite bash, a week later.
In a message dated 15/03/2003 14:17:09 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PEOPLE!!I took about 11 pics, hope to have them posted soon. Folks, I didn't have my camera with me in Chicago, so I don't have any pictures to share. But, as luck would have it, someone sent me this today. That's me on the left, and Greg Wilson on the right, standing on an old apple box to make him look taller ;-) http://fernlea.tripod.com/robandgregory.jpg Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Re: Get together in Algonquin, Il
<< Yo Gregory (and all),Thanks for more info and photos. However, why on earth wereyou and Rob dressed up as penguins? http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/chicago03/Bond-and-Moneypenny.jpg >> Hi Michael and all. I see what you mean.Gregory looks like he's been waiting tables all day. In the picture, notice how he made the bunch of flowers behind him wilt ;-) Actually, Gregory, Irene and I were on our way to the PSF dinner in Algonquin. The special guests this year were Apollo 7's Walt Cunningham and Apollo 13's Jim Lovell, and a good night was had by all. Our thanks to Gregory for the marvellous job he did running around filling up our wine glasses, serving the soup, and generally keeping each course arriving on time ;-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS ALL COMING
In a message dated 06/03/03 01:33:29 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While it might be questionable judgment to VOLUNTARILY leave the sunny 75 degrees of Malibu for the apparent arctic wasteland that is currently Northern Illinois, I'm going to be present for a few days. I'll probably end up being a sort of combination interpreter/chauffeur/roadie for Mr. Elliott, mostly as a public service to the USA. When Rob can actually come to the States as planned, i.e. no horses breaking his fingers at the last minute, it's a bit like the Crocodile Dundee moviesan odd-but-well-meaning guy with weird hair who talks funny, trying to keep up with life in the big city, in this case, the Windy one. My duties will largely involve beer-temperature monitoring and trying to talk him into trying various meats and delicacies which haven't been boiled, that sort of thing. Looking forward to meeting any and all for the above-mentioned "goog ol' time". ;-) Gregory Crikey! All I needed was a simple "Yes" or "No". But then, why write 5 words when 500 will do just as well, eh? ;-) See you there! Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] WHO IS ALL COMING
In a message dated 06/03/2003 01:05:07 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I will try, but I think I have to work on Sunday. :( What times are you looking at and, are you meeting at the Field Museum? I guess my e-mails to Steve Witt never made it to him. Hi Dave, we're all meeting up at the Holiday Inn Express, Algonquin at 7:30 on Sunday evening. Hope you can make it! Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] come and see rob e.
In a message dated 19/02/03 20:22:37 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was terribly disappointed he didn't show up for a cold er, warm one at the Auction.. Michael Hi Michael and all. I was really disappointed that I couldn't make it to the Tucson show too. The flights were booked and so was the hotel, but 5 days before I was due to leave, I had an accident which broke some bones in my hand and smashed a knuckle joint. The surgeon fixed me up with some steel pins to hold everything together, but he wouldn't let me fly. So, that was the end of my Tucson show plans for 2003! Regarding the Chicago thing Steve mentioned last night, my wife Irene and I have been invited to a dinner in Illinois to enjoy a night out and to meet a few Apollo astronauts, so we're Chicago bound on the 7th March. We've got a bit of meteorite trading arranged along the way as well, but after that, we thought it would be fun if we could get together with some of the Illinois meteorite collectors on the evening of the 9th March. So, if you're in the area on the 9th March, let me kn.er.send me an email ;-) Rosie, I'm an Englishman through and through, but I live in Scotland now because I had to work in America. Confused?? :-) Well, it's a long story, but page 19 of the current issue of Meteorite magazine covers it nicely, along with some amazing facts about haggis (I never touch the stuff). Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] come and see rob e.
In a message dated 19/02/03 18:07:15 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Steve, but once or twice a year is more than enough of the Bagpiper Boy for me. ;-) Dave It's only because the visiting Brits found far more Holbrook specimens than the home team, when we all hit the strewnfield last October. Tears and tantrums followedit wasn't a pretty sight! ;-) Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Ireland Launches Meteorite Hunt
In a message dated 12/02/03 17:30:54 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In 1999, the last time a meteorite was spotted in Ireland, astronomers were able to triangulate from callers that it fell somewhere in Carlow. A woman in Leighlinbridge, County Carlow, found fragments which were later sold on for about EUR50,000. 50,000 Euros??? I paid a handsome sum to the finder, but it certainly wasn't 50,000 Euros. Isn't the media wonderful? ;-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Esterville ?????
In a message dated 02/02/2003 17:06:53 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone have a good picture of REAL Esterville? yes, here's 3 pics of 3 different estherville slices.3.25kg, 3.3kg and 6.95kg. the second pic shows the matrix best. http://fernlea.tripod.com/estherville3k250.jpg http://fernlea.tripod.com/estherville3k320.jpg http://fernlea.tripod.com/estherville6k950.jpg apologies for the bad typing.i broke a couple of bones in my left hand yesterday and this is as good as it gets for the moment. rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites that stink?
In a message dated 27/01/03 14:41:30 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello List, I tried to post this last night, but it has not shown up yet so... I have an NWA that has a red matrix, not a lot of visible metal, is not real heavy for its size, it attracts a magnet, but not very strongly and it smells real bad! Any Ideas of why or what this is? Tom, E chondrites can be a bit whiffy, especially during cutting & polishing. I cut some Abee last year and the smell of rotten eggs was dreadful. I remember it being the same when I cut Indarch too. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Nevada Meteorites (Humor Alert)
Al writes: << There are a few beer bottle passes at the Tucson and Denver Shows. Just won't be the same otherwise. My main concern was it warm or cold ;-) >> Bernd writes: << Looking forward to Rob Elliott's "beer bottle pass" expertise :-)) >> Uh-oh! Cold beer! No ice for me thanks! I'll be arriving in Tucson on 6th February, so it's much too close for me to pass comment and expect to get away with it, but I did read an interesting piece of research recently. Apparently, several lone alcohol molecules and even small traces of flavor have been found in American beer! Unfortunately, no-one has since been able to dulicate these results ;-) I'm just kidding. It's very nice really (served at room temperature). Moving on rapidly. A couple of days ago, I picked up another large slice of the Estherville mesosiderite through museum exchange. I already have a 7kg slice in the collection and don't need two, so I'm putting this new slice up for trade offers. It weighs 3.32kg and measures approximately 12 x 12 inches. A picture of it can be seen at http://fernlea.tripod.com/estherville3k320.jpg It's also pictured on page 35 of Monica Grady's & Sara Russell's new book "Meteorites" (second edition). If anyone would be interested in trading for this slice, please just drop me an email. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)Hadejia
In a message dated 21/12/02 02:49:32 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It strikes me that odds are slim that two meteorites would fall in the same village at the same time. I am curious what the classification of Steve's meteorite is. Hi Eric and all, the Kilabo sample has been classified as an LL6 and submitted to the Met Soc with the proposed name "Kilabo". There's a long story behind it that I won't go into here, but it IS the same meteorite as Hadejia - all that's happened is that it's been classified by two different researchers, and each has proposed/forwarded a different name for it. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] happy holidays and a new meteorite fall
In a message dated 20/12/02 13:28:42 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am getting a christmas meteorite present next week! A brand new fall from Nigeria. Less than 6 months old! It is called KALIBO! Hi all, maybe it's just a typo, but I think this one's been submitted to the Met Society as Kilabo, not Kalibo. Isn't this the same July 2002 Nigerian LL6 fall that's previously been known by the working name of Hadejia? Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Debris from Massive Asteroid is Uncovered
In a message dated 28/11/02 17:38:01 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The latest discovery is from a much earlier collision and is a result of a catastrophic impact that vaporised rock and spewed a sea of molten glass droplets half way across the world. George Walkden, who led the research team from the University of Aberdeen and the Open University, said the droplets of molten glass became fossilised as a layer two centimetres thick, now eight metres below ground. Geoff, I was lucky enough to see a piece of this new British impact ejecta at the museum last week, when Monica Grady showed me a chunk of a greenish coloured rock, comprised of very small glassy spheroids. I wish I'd taken a picture now! I forget how old she said it was, but it was created after the impact of a huge meteorite, when Canada was a LOT nearer to the UK, so we're going back quite a long time here (another Brit understatement? ;-) ). The exact locality in Bristol is being kept a closely guarded secret for the moment, but that makes two ancient impact events for the UK, both discovered/recognised within the last 6 months! Cheers, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Hadejia
In a message dated 26/11/02 21:29:17 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If Pierre was a Brit, I'd say his description of Hadejia is a British understatement. Bernd, yes, Hadejia is jolly nice. Hope I haven't enthused too much. I was thinking of putting an exclamation mark after "nice" but that would have been too much for my British reserve to handle ;-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Beddgelert, Wales meteorite
In a message dated 16/11/02 16:13:57 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just found an anomaly, not an important one, but an anomaly none the less The CatMet lists Beddgelert, Wales meteorite of 1949 and states 794g TKW. 377.5g is in the NHM (London) and the rest (208.9g) in other organisations well, I found the missing mass, in fact, MORE than the missing mass, almost 100g more in fact! Here, on the web at: http://www.ntnu.no/~krill/NTNU-geologi/montre1/meteoritt_modell_steinmeteori tt_Beddgelert_Wales.jpg Note the mass of the specimen on the card Dave, this looks very much like the oriented main mass of the Middlesborough meteorite to me (spelt "Middlesbrough" in the Catalogue). Could it be a cast of the same alongside a misplaced label? Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: wold cottage meteorite
In a message dated 27/10/02 17:58:16 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sadly for her, yes. Irene really is a saint, which is pretty much self-explanatory. Gregory Isn't there some kind of bat and ball game on TV today that'll keep you amused? ;-) Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: wold cottage meteorite [ stone mason ] david mooney
In a message dated 27/10/02 17:46:31 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hay Rob, That's quite the terrific web page! Thanks for that. Michael PS: Is Irene your wife? Michael, glad you enjoyed the Wold Cottage pictures. Yes, Irene is my wife of something like 21 or 22 years. She came with me to the Tucson show last February, but we didn't arrive in the States until the day after your auction. Hopefully, we'll catch it again next Feb! Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Re: wold cottage meteorite [ stone mason ] david mooney
Hi everyone, I received the following email today from the stone mason (and Edward Topham expert) who was charged with renovating the Wold Cottage meteorite monument during it's 200th anniversary year in 1999. The 1795 Wold Cottage fall was one of the most important falls in meteoritics (as far as gaining general acceptance of rocks which fall out of the skies is concerned), so I thought you might like to read his email below. By the way, the web page he's referring to is at http://fernlea.tripod.com/woldcottage.html - "hi, i have just come across your web site featured in the Sunday Times newspaper today , i was amazed to find myself on the page about ;topham's coloum; i recarved the inscription during the wetest june since 1795, the monument faces the direction from which the wold cottage metetorite came, unfortunatley this is also the wrong direction for the wind and weather which continues to batter the exposed monument. mrs grey and i were the subject of a television programme last year. thank you for showing the card ,i didn;t know my work was on the net. regards and thanks for a pleasant suprise. i have given a slide show lecture on topham and his life and times inc. the meteorite , and monument for about ten years now, if you look at the card i painted you will see a dog [greyhound] in the picture with a halo, topham bred the best greyhound in british hunting history too. i have researched topham;s life and times and written many articles on him and the meteorite, i have held it in my hands at the bi- centenary event. cheers and thanks for the 15 mins of fame. david mooney. [monumental stone mason]. " - Rob Elliott. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Re: Aubres sale
In a message dated 18/10/02 23:43:59 GMT Daylight Time, MARSROX writes: << I've recently returned from a couple of weeks in Scotland including an excellent visit with Rob Elliott. We did drink beer, actually Guinness Stout, at "room temperature" (which is the correct temp for Guinness) although he had all of the windows of his home open such that the ambient temperature was to the chilly degree that we burn wood in our Florida fireplaces. >> Hi Kevin and all. I re-subscribed to the List just this evening to send my earlier Bovedy post, and have only now started to go through the archives and catch up on the chat I missed while I was awaythat's when I found your post. For the record, it was one of the hottest days of the year when Kevin visited us. It must have been at least in the low 60's, so that's why all the windows were wide open. Phew! What a scorcher!! ;-) << Rob received 28.41 grams in trade making him the second largest repository (!) of this material. >> I think I had something like 32g of Aubres in total (the 28.41g slice & ~4g fragments), but you're right about this being the last that's likely to hit the market given current trading policies. It cost me an arm and a leg and I won't be cutting any more, that's for sure, so my slice is already under lock and key. Grab Kevin's slice while you can! :-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Sounds of the Bovedy fall
Hi List, when I returned from the States on Thursday evening, there was a package waiting for me containing an audio tape of the Bovedy meteorite fall. It's pretty cool, so I thought you might want to hear it for yourselves. It was recorded on 25th April 1969, in County Londonderry, Northern Ireland - a woman was recording bird song just as the 5.4kg Bovedy (L3) meteorite fell, and she caught the detonations through her microphone. The booms and rumblings echo around for several seconds after the first detonation, and a spooked dog starts to bark soon after (the Bovedy Dog??). The fun starts at around 34 seconds into the track, which you can download at http://fernlea.tripod.com/bovedy.wav It's always nice to see what caused it, so here's a picture of my Bovedy slice http://fernlea.tripod.com/bovedy.jpg Thanks to Derek Heatly and the Planetarium for the original recording! Cheers, Rob Elliott. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Dutch newspaper article
Hi folks, I had a call from a Dutch journalist this morning who's writing a feature on meteorites and meteorite dealing/collecting in particular for the De Gelderlander newspaper. He'd also like to chat with some Dutch collectors closer to home, so if any of our Dutch friends are up for it, just let me know and I'll pass on your email address. Cheers, Rob Elliott. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] UFO Commentary, Nicht Verboten.
In a message dated 25/09/02 15:46:45 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've definitely seen a piece of one of the Salyut platforms for sale. I think it might have been Salyut 7 but it was quite some time ago Jon, it would have been a couple of years ago, but I think it was probably my Salyut 7 tank that you noticed. Take a look at http://fernlea.tripod.com/tank.html I'm very pleased that I didn't sell it afterall! Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Entrapment
In a message dated 02/09/02 15:28:47 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While looking at the specimens on the floor, the wife was able to stick her hand down into the "pock" hole of one of the meteorites, her hand just fitting when she moved her hand in such a way that it just barely fit. Upon showing her feat to her husband and kids (and certainly amazing them) she went to pull her hand out but couldn't. This sent her into a bit of panic as she was stuck. Al, Gregory Wilson and I saw that large, holey Canyon Diablo iron at the Field Museum recently, with a big label that said "Please Touch". I remember commenting about how someone might easily get their hand stuck in one of the large pock holes. Well, the situation rapidly deteriorated and then one thing led to another http://fernlea.tripod.com/stuckfast.jpg :-) Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] The big questions?
In a message dated 01/09/02 15:08:02 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In regards to making a sale...what is the proper (or recommended) protocol for sending identification with the reselling of a given piece?. If John Doe buys from Dealer A who has a reputable history and provides a card saying Dealer A's Meteorites or from the Collection of Dealer A, what has more meaning: to resale with a new card from John Doe's Meteorites, or to provide the old card from the long standing Dealer A? John, I don't think there's any set protocol, but for me it's always cool to receive the whole sequence of past & present dealer labels/certificates with a meteorite when it's purchased. I certainly don't have a problem with my certs being passed on, so long as the specimen is exactly as originally supplied. It could become a bit misleading if the specimen has since been cut or broken up, and the weight & description no longer matches the certificate. I've kept many dealer labels over the years, including those that have some odd spelling mistakes and typos (what's a "chrondule"?, and when did "Lake Tagish" fall??), but like postage stamps with printing errors, these will be worth a small fortune in years to come ;-) << Or, is it up to the new dealer/resaler John Doe to stand up and say it is what it is, or should he wait some period of time to do that until he gains trust in the collectors? I've seen it both ways, but for new guys guys like Shaun and I, "what is the recommended practice?" >> Just go for it! :-) Most everyone had to start right at the bottom of the ladder originally though, and then build up a reputation over time.I don't think there's any quick shortcut (sadly, as someone found out recently), but start as you mean to go on and include your own label/cert with all of your sales, giving lots of info about the specimen itself and fall/find etc. details. However, unclassified NWA's should always be accompanied by a completely blank piece of paper ;-) (just kidding Dean!) I guess that certificates and labels that declare authenticity probably don't prove very much at the end of the day, but it's interesting to note how quickly I receive an email reminder from the customer if I forget to send a signed certificate out with the meteorite. My 1 Pound and fifty-two pence worth! (about $2.36 US Dollars) Cheers, Rob E. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] The big questions?
In a message dated 30/08/02 17:54:06 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What it comes down to is this, how can anyone that can't study these rocks know for sure what they are. Say I purchased two different H4 meteorites and both look alike in most respects. How can anyone know its not the same stone with a different name pinned on it. Hi Shaun and all. I don't think anyone replied to Shaun's questions, so I'll have a stab at answering them. Regarding two different H4's that look the same visually, and how to tell that they're not from the same stone, the short answer to this is.you can't!...at least, not easily! With a bit of collecting/dealing experience, you can get a "feel" for some named meteorites and know what to expect them to look like, but that's VERY far from being conclusive and not much better than an educated guess. Even electron microprobe and petrologic microscope might not be able to duplicate the original analysis exactly, and tell with 100% certainty, precisely which named fall or find is under study. When buying meteorites, anyone should ask themselves how much faith they have in a dealer/seller, or ask other collectors for their opinions about them. Crap and bogus sellers don't tend to last very long in this game luckily, so anyone should be able to find out quite easily who to avoid. Major dealers often trade meteorites with museums & institutions, and when a trade completes there's a certain amount of documentation involved. Other times, deals might be closed with professional meteoriticists, but there's usually full TRACEABILITY in one form or another. Personally speaking, I don't (and won't!) start pulling out past trade documentation from the filing cabinet and wave them about just to prove something to a cautious buyer in order to close a sale, but I have them here safely. << How can I assure anyone who buys my product that this is the genuine article.>> It can take time - especially if this is the first time the buyer has ever considered buying a meteorite before, and perhaps only then because they chanced upon your website late one night while playing around with the search engines. Anyone with any common sense would surely find out a bit more about meteorites before parting with hard cash, but they will probably look to you as the expert and fire a load of questions at you. Don't blind them with science and talk of chondrules or stuff like that (not yet! ;-) )..if they are genuinely interested, pictures are probably the best place for them to start learning. Maybe tell them to look in their family encyclopaedia under "meteorites" and to check out the pictures of etched iron meteorites and cut stones. I have an old set of encylopaedias here that are almost as old as I am (41), but they have pages and pages of meteorite info & pictures which clearly match many iron & stony meteorites on the market todaysometimes, they ARE the actual meteorites on the market today!! Failing that, library books, the internet etc. Just don't give them the hard-sell routine, as it rarely works anyway. << you have to admitt, this is a funny market on meteorites. >> That's for sure! Some people I've met over the years are beyond convincing and will never fully believe that these chunks of stone & iron are genuine meteorites, no matter what I tell them. To some, it's all seems far too unlikely that private individuals can ever own a meteorite. Books help, especially those with pictures that clearly match up with the space rock you're holding in your hand alongside the page. Arm yourself with Richard Norton's new "Rocks from Space" and then let people make up their own minds during your next "show and tell" session :-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Lets rename the thread! (postoffice problems!)
In a message dated 30/08/02 09:55:08 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For full-time businesses with only that single source of income, and unless they want negative cash-flow, their only alternative is to increase profit-margins with higher prices to cover such expenses or go out of business. Not necessarily Ron. It depends on the size of the business - buying power, turnover, profit margins, quantities involved, etc. We play DHL off against Fed-Ex, and the carrier which gives us the best rate wins our business. They wouldn't be interested in discussing discounts for small quantities of 10 per month, but if you tempt them with a carrot of 80+ per month, they'll do their best to beat their rivals' shipping quotations. We ship a lot of packages overseas and have been for something like 14 years. The carriers are more than willing to discuss hefty discounts for quantity, so that's how we are able to absorb these kind of overheads ourselves without passing them onto the customer. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: a bad N.E. Meteoritical Services experience?
In a message dated 30/08/02 01:17:07 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure what the answer is. Do we in the US go to a more expensive service such as UPS or FedEx? I dislike the thought of my customers spending so much for shipping. Paul, I "bit the bullet" a long time ago, and now ship virtually all meteorite orders to the USA by DHL Express at my own cost. I don't charge customers for it, so it costs me well into 4 figures each month, but it's fast and reaches US customers in about 2 days typicallysometimes only 1 day, sometimes 3 days if a weekend intervenes. With online tracking in real-time available, it brings a lot of peace of mind all round, I can tell you! Plus, whenever I order a meteorite for my own collection, I still get a major buzz from it and can't wait until it arrives.I want it here "yesterday", not 2 - 3 weeks from now :-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] best multi colored chondrules?
In a message dated 28/08/02 03:04:12 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The LL3's would be a good place to start shopping.Richfield, Bovedy, Ragland, etc. I also have a spectacular small piece of the Libyan LL3 Sarir Qattusah 001 which is quite pretty Hi all, I agree..these LL's, L's and L/LL's have some beautiful chondrules, especially Ireland's Bovedy. For those interested, here's a few pictures of the cut & polished faces: Richfield - http://fernlea.tripod.com/richfiel.jpg Bovedy - http://fernlea.tripod.com/bovedy.jpg Sarir Qattusah - http://fernlea.tripod.com/sq0012.jpg Ragland - http://fernlea.tripod.com/ragland1.jpg In recent weeks, one of the nicest "new" pieces I've seen is a carbonaceous chondrite going under the working name of Tagounite 084. It was first classified as a CV3, but the analysis didn't quite gel for CVit's extremely magnesian with Fa <1. I had it re-classified a few weeks ago and the results came back saying that it's actually a CR3. Technically it's the first CR3 discovered (found 1999), but the re-classification means that it wasn't recognised as such until 2002. In the best interests of caution, it'll be printed as C3 with an NWA number later this year. Here's a picture - http://fernlea.tripod.com/t0849g7.jpg << , I think. Rob @ Fernlea was selling it a while back but I don't know if he still has anyand besides, you'd have to deal with the proprietor. ;-) >> Yes, I do still have somebut you can't have any ;-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Of interest
In a message dated 27/08/02 14:30:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why do the 'experts' say these things to the press? How about "it is more likely to have been thrown by a boy from the other side of the building?" Perhaps it is real, but I think not! Remember the lady who 'found' ( the bolide so many saw) in her garden? Not a meteorite! We get 2 or 3 of these kind of meteorite stories in the British press each year. The newspapers like to sensationalise the story and astound their readers with "facts" that might only really be heresay, guesses or just slim possibilities at the time it's reported. The funny thing is, there are rarely/never follow-up articles, saying that little Jimmy's space rock was actually just a piece of roofing tile that got blown off the top of a nearby house, just as he happened to be walking underneath it. I guess follow-ups like that don't sell many papers! I remember reading a story that appeared in all of the British national newspapers about 3 years ago, where a guy had found a "meteorite" while out walking his dog. I spoke with him on the phone and he told me that he was a physicist, and tests in the lab (his own tests, in his own lab) showed that the "meteorite" had huge chunks of diamond inside the stone, some approaching 1cm in size. He'd never seen a meteorite before but that didn't matter, so he called all the newspapers. They believed him because of his credentials, and before we knew what was happening, it was declared in the press as a new meteoriteno doubt about it whatsoever! Needless to say, it wasn't. Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Of interest
In a message dated 27/08/02 14:30:56 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sounds wrongish! Sure wish they showed a pict! Is there a URL to this story? There are 2 pictures of the girl's discover at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2218755.stm They don't inspire me with too much confidence, but I hope I'm wrong. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Putorano
In a message dated 26/08/02 12:48:29 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear List: Has anyone tried to etch Putorano? Thanks for replies. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Yep, John Gwilliam etched a few pieces of Putorano last year when we all got together in Holbrook. The metal blebs did show a sort of Widmanstatten pattern, but it was extremely fine. John can probably tell you more and I'm sure that he's got a few pics stashed away somewhere too. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] New meteorite hunting method?
In a message dated 13/08/02 02:04:55 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When the going gets tough I put my companies $2000 dollar locator back in the truck and get out my trusty copper rods and do it the old fashion way! Yes I am talken Witching or dousing! Has any one tried this time tested method of finding hard to find things? Hi folks, I've always been too sceptical to try dowsing personally, but a few years ago my neighbour found the long-lost buried water pipe in our back garden within about 3 minutes of searching for it with his diving rods. Before then, I'd spent 2 weeks looking for it by digging numerous test holes without success. Maybe he just remembered where the pipe was buried when our house was built, but either way, 3 minutes to pin-point a 1" pipe in an acre of garden isn't too shabby! I was in London for 5 days last week.I met up with Brighton's meteorite man Dave Harris for a good natter on Wednesday evening, then spent most of Friday at the Natural History Museum arranging some more meteorite exchanges. Staying loosely on the "divining for meteorites" theme, I spent Thursday afternoon visiting "spoon bender" Uri Geller at his mansion near London.we shot the breeze, bent a few pieces of cutlery and I gave him an introduction to meteorites :-) There's a few links to some pictures below, showing what happens to metal objects when Uri Geller puts his mind to it. The last 2 images show a thinly cut square rod of etched Gibeon meteorite in a before-and-after sequence..I tested it and tried to bend it by force (and also in the jam of a door!) before I took it to London, but I couldn't get any leverage on such a small piece, and didn't manage to put even the slightest bend in it. Uri Geller with 4kg Gibeon individual http://fernlea.tripod.com/geller1.jpg Bending a spoon - it curled up on the floor without being touched http://fernlea.tripod.com/geller2.jpg My Mrs. with the spoons http://fernlea.tripod.com/geller3.jpg Irene again http://fernlea.tripod.com/geller4.jpg Etched Gibeon rod "before" http://fernlea.tripod.com/geller5.jpg Etched Gibeon rod "after" http://fernlea.tripod.com/geller6.jpg There's definitely something weird going on here! Ha!people will start claiming that rocks fall from the skies next ;-) Cheers, Rob Elliott. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Who I am??? - Revisited
In a message dated 02/08/02 15:56:52 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Rob; Where's that one of you and the Vaca Merta Dave, do you mean the Vaca Muerta main mass? ;-) http://fernlea.tripod.com/robsvaca.jpg That was taken about 3 years ago in the Holbrook strewnfield. Back then, it showed only minor oxidisation to the matrix, but when we were there again last February, it had reached weathering grade W370 and the top end had split away from the rest of the mass. Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Who I am??? - Revisited
In a message dated 02/08/02 00:39:03 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, for the next few days, if there is a picture of you on the net anywhere, link it here so we can see who's who. Ok. Me, standing in Harvey Nininger's bathtub in the ruins of the American Meteorite Museum, Route 66. (Thankfully, no-one dropped the soap!) http://fernlea.tripod.com/robintub.jpg Me again, as both photographer and subject. http://fernlea.tripod.com/robmirror.jpg My Holbrook hunting buddy and sparring partner Gregory "Greg" Wilson wrote: << http://members.aol.com:/sharkkb8/jgwwhaleshark2.jpg Guess which one is me. ;-) >> That's a tricky one.give us a clue please ;-) Cheers, Rob Elliott. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Mobile: 07909-773929 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Dalgaranga Mesosiderite
Hi folks, during my meteorite travels in Chicago last week, I picked up a great looking Australian mesosiderite individual named Dalgaranga, and was reliably informed by the curator that "this is the only metallic specimen of Dalgaranga in existence", with all the remaining 10kg being shale and completely oxidised mesosiderite. If that's the case, I'm well pleased to be the present owner, but does anyone know if that's so, or of any other metallic Dalgaranga specimens out there? I've linked through to some pictures below that I thought you might like to see. It's an oriented specimen with fine flow lines over the "dome"...the rollover lip is just about there, but has suffered from weathering somewhat. The backside obviously once contained silicate inclusions, but these have either weathered out to leave pockets, or simply didn't survive being torn off the larger mass in flight. David Weir suggested to me that this mostly iron individual was once a metallic nodule, ripped away from it's surrounding stony matrix in flight, and it's certainly looking that way. I ground a small corner this afternoon and etched the polished face to reveal a very fine Widmanstatten pattern, similar to the figures which appear on the metal blebs in my Estherville slice, plus a couple of tiny silicate inclusions. Here's the pictures.enjoy! :-) http://fernlea.tripod.com/dalgaranga1.jpg http://fernlea.tripod.com/dalgaranga2.jpg http://fernlea.tripod.com/dalgaranga3.jpg http://fernlea.tripod.com/dalgaranga4.jpg By the way, I loved Chicago and even managed to catch a Cubs game at Wrigley FieldI made it as far as the 7th Innings Stretch, but didn't know the lyrics to "take me out to the ball game", much to everyone's relief! Cheers, Rob Elliott. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] cumberland falls
In a message dated 06/07/02 15:58:39 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm looking for a nice 2 to 4 gram slice of CUMBERLAND FALLS! Does anyone have any forsale or trade??? Please let me know! Have a great day from the Windy city! Hi Steve Arnold in Chicago. I fly into the Windy City next Wednesday afternoon, and by sheer good luck, I also have a lot of Cumberland Falls slices on my site at www.meteorites.uk.com Next week, all Chicago-bound Cumberland Falls specimens are hand delivered by international courier (me!) at no extra charge. How's that for service??..damn, we're good!! ;-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Calendar O' Meteorites and Birthday Falls
In a message dated 03/07/02 00:44:27 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How about my birthdate March 6st? Mark, for your b'day, you have: Duruma (L6) - Fell 6 March 1853 - Mombasa, Kenya Nikolskoe (L4) - Fell 6 March 1954 - Moscow, Russia Sagan (?/stone) - Fell 6 March 1636 - Zegan, Poland (nothing preserved) Well, it's nearly 1am here in the UK, so I'm off for some "bagpipe-playin', haggis-eatin', bubble-and-squeak-cookin' " (!!!) before sun-up ;-) G'night all, Limey Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Calendar O' Meteorites and Birthday Falls
In a message dated 02/07/02 23:59:53 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can anybody tell me if any fell on Sept. 19? (or, even POSSIBLY that day in 1946?) Michael, you have 4 falls sharing your birthday: Karewar (L6) - Fell 19 Sept 1949 - Katsina province, Nigeria Khohar (L3.6) -Fell 19 Sept 1910 - Uttar Pradesh, India Rodach (?/stone) - Fell 19 Sept 1775 - Bayern, Germany (nothing preserved) Tjabe (H6) - Fell 19 Sept 1869 - Java, Indonesia My own b'day was 30th December 19602 falls share that date but not the year: Kaidun (CR) - 1980 - South Yemen Oesede (H5) - 1927 - Niedersachsen, Germany Cheers, Rob Elliott. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay M-wrong
In a message dated 19/05/02 09:18:02 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Rhett, Rob, Mike & all, We all know Rob & Mike are 100% honest & stand by their material. Why aren't you guys members? Hello everyone, Rob left early this morning to drive up North for a spot of meteorite hunting before moving on to check out the location of the old Perth fall,so I'm being brave here and sending my first message to the Meteorite-List on his behalf :) I just spoke with him on his mobile phone and he asked me to say thanks a lot for the invite and that he'd be very pleased to join the IMCA. His next question was "how do we join?" so perhaps someone can kindly steer us in the right direction here? Incidentally,Rob's been pleading with me for more help in the day-to-day running of Fernlea for a long time now,so I'll be joining the business at the end of this month and (hopefully) helping out with more than just preparing the invoices and monthly accounts! It was great to meet so many of you at the last Tucson Show,also the Meteorite-List members who have called in to visit us whilst in the UK,and to be able to put faces to the names I already knew well from your phone calls.Hope to see you all again soon :) Best wishes to all, Irene Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] LLoyd's auction
In a message dated 12/05/02 06:46:14 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Looks just like page three Full marks Rob! Yes, it's "The Other Meteorite Man" pictured on page 3 of Robert Haag's 1997 Field Guide. How it ended up being sold at auction in a "forced sale" on behalf of the British government, I have no idea. Here's the original picture that Lloyds sent me - http://fernlea.tripod.com/16original.jpg And here's the same image after a bit of manipulation with the graphics software - http://fernlea.tripod.com/16.jpg << how much did it go for? >> I won it and another 50.8kg individual http://fernlea.tripod.com/163.jpg at a very good price, thanks to some poor quality original photography :-) Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] LLoyd's auction
In a message dated 11/05/02 20:03:11 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Rob, Can you tell me what kind of softwear you have that allows you to "rotate the image?" I seam to be lacking that little trick in Photoshop... RSVP Thanks, Michael Michael, I use iPhoto Plus 4 graphics software, but only because it came free with my Sony digital camera :-) Cheers, Rob E. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] LLoyd's auction
Hi folks. LLoyd's in London ran a large auction today, featuring a hotch-potch of antique furniture, paintings, weird arty stuff and also a couple of large iron meteorites, all on behalf of "the British government". Did any other Listees get involved in bidding in person or on the telephone? There was a lot of publicity and advertising beforehand, so I'm just curious. LLoyd's sent me a picture of each iron several weeks ago, showing a 7.5kg and a 50.8kg individual that they'd had sampled and authenticated at the NHM, London prior to auctioning. The pictures weren't great, with the smaller 7.5kg individual looking not much better than a dark metallic blob. However, I rotated the image, lightened it and improved the focus with graphics software and this is what appeared http://fernlea.tripod.com/16.jpg It looks very familiar to mehow about you? Cheers, Rob. www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite pronunciation
In a message dated 04/04/02 12:54:52 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Fern pronounced like the plant The Wynd - pronunciation like in the word "bind" Balgonie - here I can only guess: "Bal" like "pal", "gon" like "gone", "nie" like "lee" Glen like the "en" in the word "den" and ... "rothes" like the "othes" in "clothes" :-) >> You were very, very close Bernd! Glenrothes (the town & the meteorite) is normally pronounced "Glen-roth-iss" but I sometimes hear some Scots saying "Glen-roth-ease". Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite pronunciation
<< Rob Elliott's "Leighlinbridge" isn't pronounced the way it looks. I believe it is pronounced "lock - lynn - bridge". Rob can clarify this one. >> Yep, that's about right. The pronunciation varies with different regional dialects, but the Leighlinbridge residents themselves in County Carlow, Ireland pronounce it as "Lock-lin-bridge". By the way, if anyone can pronounce my address and locality correctly (see email signature below), they win the right to check out the Aubres fragments I listed on my website last night at http://fernlea.tripod.com/sale1.html Those that trip up on the correct pronunciation have to look at it twice ;-) Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Near Glenrothes, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (Rob's no subject)
In a message dated 22/03/02 20:45:26 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Can we see a photo? Does it come equipped with a beer fridge? Is it stocked with guinness? >> You bet! :-) For those interested it's at http://fernlea.tripod.com/aboutme.html Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
<< As I said, not one of them has EVER seen a drop of water, so the stories that the others are making up (Bessy and Elliot) are just not true, either in order to manipulate the market or from bad information from their suppliers >> Hi folks. I've just got back from spending a few days in London and a very enjoyable visit to the NHM in the company of Drs Grady and Russell. I saw some amazing meteorites (as you'd expect at one of the World's greatest collections!) and also arranged to trade for some exquisite meteorites for my own collection. I had a mountain of List email to read through when I returned, and had a chuckle over Mike's post (above). I can't decide if Mike's expecting an arguementative response from me or what?.but I'm sure Mike knows me better than THAT after all these years. And besides, I picked up another Lotus a few days before leaving for London and haven't really had a chance to drive it yet, so I'm gonna spend the rest of the day dashing along the country lanes around here with my hair on fire instead.SO much more soothing than getting into an arguement I think! :-) Cheers, Rob E. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silent Giants, Meteorites and Singing
In a message dated 15/03/02 03:04:13 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << As long as you don't tease him about his hair. ;-) >> As my Holbrook hunting buddy correctly points out, I may be stuck in a 70's time warp folically speaking, and have similarly dated musical tastes that begin and end with Rush, but it's difficult to believe that this could be written by a man who models his own hair on a Shredded Wheat bisk and gives hairstyling tips to Don King. It must be a Santa Monica thinglittle wonder why he always wears his Lucky Hat in company ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Final tally on Rob Elliott's contest entries
<< D'oh! Well, in that case, you've got my credit card information Rob (lord knows I've bought enough from you over the past couple of years or so) so just let me know how much was put on it to cover Herbert's shipping costs. >> No worries Rhett, it's all on me this time but thanks a lot for the offer :-) I shipped Herbert's prize off to Austria this afternoon, so he should receive it tomorrow morning. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
In a message dated 13/03/02 03:43:01 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Quite a few ordinary chondrite variations remain (as well an > non-OC designations, if you're feeling cheeky), so have at > it gang! >> I'm surprised that no-one's guessed at LL7 yet (unless I've missed that posting).it's certainly a VERY highly recrystallized meteorite, so you never know!! Rob E. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
In a message dated 12/03/02 21:43:06 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Let's make this fun. If Rob or Dean would be kind enough to donate a small piece to the person who succsesfully guesses what kind it is it would be great. >> OK! I have a 26.65g fusion crusted end piece up as the prize, and will have it in the hands of the lucky winner within 48hrs of closing. Someone else can be referee it though please. I still say LL6and I think I said it first, didn't I?? ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
In a message dated 12/03/02 16:59:20 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Hmm! My first-second thought was: Could this be be another diogenite? The greenish tinge of the matrix and its fragile, crumbly matrix that doesn't take a polish at all definitely reminds me of Bilanga. >> Hi Bernd, I just took another look under magnification and I'm going to stick with LL6, but I really do hope I'm wrong! :-) I don't like posting ads here usually, but several Listees have emailed me asking for pricing info already.so, for those wanting to take a chance, it's 10.34 GBP ($15.00) per gram across the board for frags and individuals. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Moroccan Fall
Hi folks, I received several individuals and fragments of the new Moroccan fall this afternoon, and couldn't resist quickly grinding a face onto one of the pieces and having a peek inside. This one fell at 16:17 GMT on 11th February.just about the same time that many of us were gathering for the start of Daryll Pitt's meteorite auction in Tucson. Kinda weird timing, don't you think?? It's a very fragile, almost crumbly meteorite that doesn't take a polish at all, so you might have to concentrate hard when looking at the picture I've posted here http://fernlea.tripod.com/newfall.html My largest individual is just over 200g and there are many dinky little, perfectly fusion crusted individuals that resememble the Holbrook & Pultusk "peas". The matrix had a much higher contrast when it was still wet with alcohol coolant, but it looks very much blander when dry and it can be difficult to see the small brecciation. I think LL6 is a pretty safe bet on this one, but we'll see. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Taza
Folks, does anyone have any more info on the Taza iron from NWA? I know that "Taza" was just a working name once upon a time and that it has been classified as a plessitic octahedrite, but has it been officially named/numbered or even submitted yet? Thanks in advance, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TEST (again)
In a message dated 07/03/02 00:19:48 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << another test. I simply cannot get this email-thing to be dependable. Sorry for the wasted bandwidth. Jake >> AOL seems to filter out a high percentage of List postings and it has done for well over a year now. Trouble is, as an AOL subscriber you don't know exactly what posts you've missed until a buddy asks "Did you read that posting from x??". Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Saint-Severin, Chinga, Foote
In a message dated 01/02/02 21:58:18 GMT Standard Time, Sharkk b8 writes: << "The Hat" rocks, and will grace Navajo County once again.>> Great! It's a real work of art and I look forward to seeing it again. And when you find another 0.001g Holbrook individual to match the one you found last time, it'll be known as your "Lucky Hat" ;-) Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Saint-Severin, Chinga, Foote
In a message dated 01/02/02 01:42:11 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Three questions in one post. Does anyone have any info on the Saint-Severin fall, The Chinga find, or Foote documentation for Holbrook. >> Dave Andrews is the man with all the Foote and Holbrook info.the lucky sod only lives a few minutes drive from the strewnfield too! His Holbrook site is at http://strewnfield.tripod.com/holbrook.html We're all back there again for strewnfield assault # 4 in less than 2 weeks, and hopefully, GregORY Wilson will forget The Hat this time ;-) Cheers, Rob Elliott http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (no subject)
Hi folks, I quite often receive emails and phone calls from people who are looking to buy a one-off meteorite for reasons other than building up a collection. Some of the proposed uses have been pretty weird and often unworkable, but the one that sticks in my mind the most was about 3 years ago from a lady in England you wanted to buy "a meteoriteany kind of small meteorite that I can heat up in a flame and use to burn through paper". I had to find out more, so I asked her what her plans were. Apparently, she wanted to take a map of London, heat up a small iron meteorite and place it on the site of London's Millenium Dome. I asked her if she was an artist and expected some kind of artistic reply, but she just said "Nope..I just don't like the Millenium Dome and it's concept". Oky!!! I made a small sale and that was the end of it I thought. Until I saw this... http://www.multiplestore.org/docs/parker.html It sounds crazy, but I notice that the "limited edition" has all sold out, and if the price of the meteorite map on eBay is anything to go by, she's done pretty well too. Curiouser and curiouser! Cheers, Rob E. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Vaccuum-Packed Campos
In a message dated 26/01/02 02:03:51 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << When they arrived I was surprised to see a small factory sealed package. No zip-lock style bag here. In fact, the meteorites are double bagged and clearly were vacuum-packed like ground coffee. Has anyone seen this before? I'm just curious now about the process and who might be doing it. >> That might be me. I ship most specimens in a clear plastic bag that's heat sealed at both ends to ensure an airtight seal, often with a pouch of fresh dessicant. Sometimes, the air is removed before sealing, giving a shrink-wrapped effect. The bags arrive as a 50 metre flat tubing - we cut it to the right length, then use a heat sealing machine to perfectly seal a strip at both ends. << I was going to sell the little campos for a couple of dollars each in the gift shop of my observatory, but the bag looks so nifty I may not have the heart to open it up! >> I only intend the heat sealed bags/vacuum packing to keep everything fresh during transit really, as the packing isn't always very pleasing to the eye. I don't remember preparing any Campo's this way though, at least not recently. Cheers, Rob. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] knock knock
In a message dated 25/01/02 23:52:28 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Knock! Knock! Who is there? Knock A La ! Knock A La, Who? Knock A La .. you know. the talking dog that was hit by a piece of mars! Knock A La (spelled Nakhla in dog writting) >> It started badly, tailed off a bit in the middle, and the less said about the ending the better. By the 5th line, I'd completely lost the will to live! Sorry Michael ;-) Ever-so-depressed-now Rob E. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The "Lost" English Meteorite
Hi folks, I realise that this is a long-shot and probably a wild goose chase, but here goes anyway.. During the late 70's, a large nightime fireball was witnessed by many people over London, England. I saw it myself and it was every bit as spectacular as the Peekskill fireball, only much shorter in duration..it was breaking up during flight with several smaller fireballs lagging behind the larger fragment. The next day, a science teacher at a local high school in Sutton, who had also seen it, gave his class a lecture on meteorites and asked for more eye witness accounts to be passed to him. It was also mentioned in the newspapers, then quickly forgotten. This was all a very long time ago, but it's still the best fireball I've ever seen and very fresh in my mind. List member Geoff Notkin lived only a few miles from my home back in those days, so perhaps you remember reading about it Geoff? Last year, I was chatting with a British mineral dealer who told me about a meteorite that he'd purchased from a finder in England ~20 years ago. At first, I reckoned on it being another fragment of the Barwell fall, but soon realised that it was something completely different. The mineral dealer had been approached by guy in England who had found a rock lodged in his roof space during recent repairs. Three or four years earlier, he and his family had been startled by a loud "thud" on the roof of their house during the night, but could not account for it afterwards. A corner was ground off the stone to reveal metal flake and chondrules..the mineral dealer bought it from the finder on the spot, then sold it to a collector in America. Although the dealer was primarily involved in selling minerals, he was also experienced in meteorites and swears that the stone was meteoric, fusion crusted and chondritic in nature. Sadly, he no longer remembers who actually bought the stone from him. *&^%$"@!!! Whether or not this meteorite is linked to the fireball witnessed by myself and many others during the late 70's is pure speculation, but there's little doubt that there WAS a fall onto a house in England around the same time, which has so far gone unrecognised. As far as I'm aware, the stone has never been formally classifiedif it has been, it's certainly never been submitted to the Meteoritical Society and probably still remains in someone's meteorite/mineral collection in the USA. I've kept some of the finer details back (names, places, times, circumstances etc.) for purposes of authentication, in case this stone ever surfaces again in the future. If you think it strange how a meteorite can lodge itself within a roof without being noticed or cause any leaks over 3 years, there's good reason for that too! We know when and where it fell, how it impacted, and the somewhat unusual circumstances surrounding it's recovery, as well as the weight of the stone itself. If anyone feels that they may have it in their collection or knows who might, please feel free to fill in the blanks and let me know. There's also a $20K incentive on offer to the mystery owner, should he wish to sell it to me :-) Cheers, Rob Elliott. http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
