[meteorite-list] Volcano Bomb Impact Breccia Replys
April 2, 2003 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Sorry for the late post. I try to make a point to read and reply to e-mails between 8:30-9:15 AM each morning, and only then. It happened that I ran out of time yesterday. In any event, thank you everyone for all of your expert help in regards to volcano bombs and identifying impact breccias! It was much appreciated! In regards to some comments and questions: Mark Ferguson wrote: Hello Mark and List Bombs are typically highly vessiculated magmas. What you may be thinking of are ejected old magmas which are ripped from the walls of a volcanic vent and would have shapes that are irregular if not just plain blocky. These differ from bombs in that they are from previous events and may be breciated magmas, and that becomes then a problem to determine origin other than terrestrial. Bombs on the other hand, will usually be of freshly melted material and can be very frothy in texture as well as having aerodynamic forms. Both types can occur in an eruption, but I'd expect ash to be the more common found with old magma ejecta. Mark Ejected old magmas were basically what I was talking about when speaking of volcano bombs. I live in the west central part of the Lower Pensisula which also answers Mark Langenfield's question. I thought it was likely that if such rocks were here, they would have been transported by glaciers rather than by an ancient, nearby volcano! I brought them up, wondering if they could bear some of the characteristics of impact breccias. Harald Stehlik (ABG) wrote: hope this helps a little bit... at which crater did you find something ? If the rocks are indeed genuine (which I could be entirely wrong on) they could be from an unknown crater(s) . Once again thay were found in end moraines on my family's farm, rather than from exposed bedrock in or around a suspected impact structure. In fact most of the Lower Pennsula is covered by glacier till. Mr. El Jones posted a reply to my orignal post, but I haven't read it yet. I will try later. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Volcano Bombs Impact Breccia Identification
March 31, 2003 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! I may not have found an actual space rock yet, but I have strong suspicions that I did when it deals with impact crater material. Keep in mind these are rock pieces found in end moraines deposited by glaciers, since there is no bedrock near my location as far as I know. This is where I need to ask the questions: 1. Are volcano bombs commonly found in Michigan and are they ever mistaken for impact breccias? 2. Also, are there any good clues that distinguish terrestrial breccias from the impact created ones? Thank you again for everyone's help! I hope you all are continuing to keep finding those black Park Forest rocks! It just so happens that one of the pictures I saw of one reminds me of the black melt veins seen in the Rose City H5 chondrite. Best regards, Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Direction Of Park Forest Strewn Field?
March 30, 2003 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Does anybody have a good clue yet as to which direction is the strewn field orientated towards? I saw a picture of the possible Indiana find. Perhaps people should concentrate there searching efforts closer to there. It really sounds amazing what everybody is seeing and finding! It is shame I can't search for a few too! Does anybody know of any good opportunities for meteorite hunting in Michigan, preferribly close to or in Newaygo County? Long (and wide) strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Attention Meteorite Hunters... Now read this!
March 28, 2003 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! The dream of the meteoritist has just happened. But, now we must act quickly. Time is very precious. In addition to gathering specimens from this massive fall, gathering information from witnesses who have handled the rocks shortly after falling may be just as important. This fall could help give new insight into the Hot Cold Meteorite Controversy! An overwhelming number of documented, short interviews are all we need to possibly draw some strong conclusions. This is our chance! Interviews tape recorded would be best, but written would be good too. Here is a sample list of information a researcher would be interested in: 1. Full name of finder: 2. Home address: 3. E-mail address: 4. Place of find and/or place of handling or physical examination: 5. Time interval between the disappearance of the flash and discovery: 6. Size and dimensions of meteoritic stone(s): 7. Approximate temperature of meteorite specimen(s) when first picked up (including interior if possible): 8. Duration of first handling of the specimen(s): 9. Description of the area where the meteoritic stone was found: 10. Comments (including anything unusual, especially concerning the first encounter): I jotted down the list rather fast so I may have overlooked something. Nevertheless, I think I have covered many valuable aspects of the fall that can be used in connection with temperature. I am so excited, but have no chance of getting down there myself! The collection of all of this valuable data depends on all of you meteorite enthusiasts in, or clamoring to Chicago. It all sounds wonderful! Long (and wide) strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Wreck of the Columbia
February 3, 2003 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! It looks like I received a lot of responses to my last post, which I felt I should reply to. Please, before I continue, I do not wish to be the seed for any arguments or loud discussions. I only wish the best for all of you, and this will be my last comment on this present discussion. Some of you took only one point and elongated it quite dramatically. It seems now, after reading everything, that my thoughts are painted in the wrong colors, partly due to the previous reason, and partly due to some poor wording on my part. I did not definitely say or mean we should not ever continue space travel. I think we should concentrate more on unmanned space probes rather than manned operations. It was a very sad event, indeed, that seven astronauts met such sudden deaths, leaving behind their families who sorely miss them. That sole reason was behind my original e-mail. In July of 1999, I too, had a tremendous loss. My loving mother went to heaven. It was a totally painful and grievous time, which even now is sad. She did die doing what she loved doing. She died loving all of us, my father, brothers and sisters, and my whole family. She wanted to be the best mom she could be, and as a result, became quite clearly a model of virtue. The loss of the astronauts brings the sadness up again. Once again, please do not let any of this start a fight. I do not want to be rude to anyone. What's more, I am sorry if I did not cover every point that someone else has made regarding my original post. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Entry Revisions For Mystery Meteorite Contest #2---made it before 12:00 AM PST!
January 28, 2003 Greetings Mr. Adam Hupe: I decided to revise my assumptions, and just in time! If any of the following is against the rules, please ignore them then, and just keep my original guesses which are provided at the end of this e-mail! In my revision, I left Specimen #3 the same. I hope this is allowable as I had some trouble understanding your last post concerning this very matter. Thank you for the opportunity to enter, again! THE REVISION: Here are my revised assumptions for Mystery Meteorite Contest #2: Specimen #1: A brecciated, polymict, ungrouped chondrite with enstatite clasts. It is probably somehow connected to LL and/or R-chondrites; perhaps extending, or filling in a gap in the degree of oxidation. Weathering grade: ~2 Specimen #2: An ungrouped, heavily shocked, monomict, basaltic type of achondrite that is either a unique eucrite or only related in composition. It is not NWA 011. Weathering Grade: 0-1 Specimen #3: An unusual, inclusion rich howardite, displaying a goodly number of different clasts, including possible carbonaceous material. Its overall light colored matrix, however, leans towards the eucritic end of the howardites. Weathering Grade: 0-1 THE FOLLOWING ARE MY ORIGINAL ENTRIES: Specimen #1: A brecciated, polymict R-chondrite. Weathering grade: ~2 Specimen #2: A highly shocked shergottite, probably basaltic. The shock veins have the earmarks of maskelynite. Do I see vesicles? Weathering Grade: 0-1 Specimen #3: An unusual, inclusion rich howardite, displaying a goodly number of different clasts, including possible carbonaceous material. Its overall light colored matrix, however, leans towards the eucritic end of the howardites. Weathering Grade: 0-1 Like always, I probably racked my noodle at this way too long! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] An Entry For Mystery Meteorite Contest #2
January 28, 2003 Greetings Mr. Adam Hupe and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! It has been a long time since I have sent anything to the list. But now I couldn't resist. Your mystery contests are really a joy and a challenge to try one's meteoritic skills at! Even though I was too late to enter your first Mystery Meteorite Contest, I still couldn't stop trying to guess its identity. Here are my assumptions for Mystery Meteorite Contest #2: Specimen #1: A brecciated, polymict R-chondrite. Weathering grade: ~2 Specimen #2: A highly shocked shergottite, probably basaltic. The shock veins have the earmarks of maskelynite. Do I see vesicles? Weathering Grade: 0-1 Specimen #3: An unusual, inclusion rich howardite, displaying a goodly number of different clasts, including possible carbonaceous material. Its overall light colored matrix, however, leans towards the eucritic end of the howardites. Weathering Grade: 0-1 Like always, I probably racked my noodle at this too long! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sonic boom from Michigan? Did anybody hear it?
October 24, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Long time no write! Just yesterday afternoon (Wednesday) when I was out picking apples in our orchard, my family and I heard what we think to be a possible sonic boom. It was heard at ~4:17 P.M. EDT which translates into ~20:17 UT. The sky at the time was unfortunately 98%+ overcast by clouds. I and my brother Matt thought it came from the north, but my father thought it could have come from the west, while others thought it originated from directions elsewhere too. It did not sound like any small type of gun shot or similar noise but something of a larger nature, such as a jet or FIREBALL. It was also heard at our house, roughly a mile and a half from where we were at the farm, from inside while a noisy washing machine was on. Sonic booms were a common occurrence around these parts from aircraft years ago. Has anyone else heard this suspicious noise or have seen it reported? Please tell! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Pribram/Neuschwanstein Meteoroid Stream Is Not Dead
September 22, 2002 Greetings Dieter Heinlein, Bernd, Eric Olson, and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! Wow! Simply Incredible! Neuschwanstein is an E6 chondrite?! I can't wait to hear more! This whole unprecedented turn of events reminds me of a vital point that I had forgot to include in my last Neuschwanstein post. If asteroid collisions are truly the mechanisms by which boulder sized meteoroid streams could be made possible, then most certainly two different parent bodies are needed. The chances of the two being exactly alike in composition are doubtful, however. Also, it is quite apparent that there are still uncertainties when it comes to all the effects and aftereffects of space collisions. Thus, the possibility of pieces from the impactor being incorporated in the formation of a meteoroid stream or vice versa should be seriously considered in the Neuschwanstein case and future events. After all, if one thinks about it, just what would be more likely: A. A collision created meteoroid stream composed of pieces purely from either the impactor or host... or B. A stream composed of matter from both asteroids, either in the form of breccias or individual pieces, where one predominates the other? In theory then, a collision-formed stream of Pribrams with an occasional Neuschwanstein in it is possible. It would be splendid to know if any brecciation (including clasts) exist in Neuschwanstein or Pribram, as that may give credence to the asteroid impact possibility. Also, not to ignore what Eric Olson had wrote:... the first pieces were cut from the Neuschwanstein meteorite, and thin sections had been prepared, the result was: (rolling drums) ... no, not just an ordinary chondrite but an enstatite chondrite (E6). Further analyses will show if it is an EH or an EL. It will be interesting to see how this affects chondrite formation theory since H's and E's are supposed to be formed in different regions of the solar system. Maybe the orbital similarity to Pribram is just a coincidence. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com * * * * * Just a coincidence? Possibly, or perhaps E-chondrites are more closely related to H5s than it was ever previously thought. This idea is indeed an outgrowth from my past Neuschwanstein scenario, but nevertheless, is another theory that too, deserves a little attention. E-chondrites could represent a layer in the Pribram parent body that was oxygen deprived, somewhat analogous to being smothered by a pillow. It is true that there is much data against such a hypothesis, but if you were to list the data for it, the Pribram/Neuschwanstein happenstance would have to be included. Please feel free to inform me of any errors in the above text. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Contest #7 - Free 2.3g Tatahoine (Help for Rafael!)
September 19, 2002 Greetings Mr. Rafael B. Torres! First, allow me to mention that this mailing list has an archive for searching for old messages. As for what Contest #7 is about, read the following e-mail sent by Mark Bostick to hep clear things up regarding that matter. I hope it will be of some help for you and possibly others. Hello All, Sorry about that. i wrote the e-mail and cut and paste the Mikes response. But I sent it before I did so. I then resent the corrected, but it didnt show up. The list is funny sometimes. Any...here was Mike's entry. Thanks again, Mark Hi Mark: My entry... for contest #7: When you have shown someone your meteorite(s), what's the wildest/strangest comment or question you've been asked? Mike For some strange reason, I think your past e-mail came close to being an entry in itself! Amazing! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to enter this contest, but I deleted all e-mails so I dont have the contest #6, what is that again pls???..Can somebody tell me??? I think it was about a strange thing that some scientists were about to discover??? Thanks all¡¡ _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1937 Newspaper Article, Describing Two Canadian Meteorites?
Sept. 5, 2002 Greetings Mr. Mark Bostick, Bernd, and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! I too would like to thank Mark for his arduous efforts in gleaning those meteoritic newspaper articles! A cross between a chore and a some entertaining detective work, I am sure! Nevertheless, I am a bit puzzled by the article. Were there two individuals collected from the fall or is the author(s) referring to a different meteorite when they stated: A second meteorite recently received by the Smithsonian institution is the only one of its kind known to exist. It consists of the mineral known as Chiadnite, in a form different from that recorded for any previously known meteorite. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paper: La Porte City Progress Location: La Porte City, IA Date: Thursday, August 26 1937 Page: 4? (Meteorite on Ice story also ran in the Lime Spring Herald (Lime Springs, IA) the same day.) Meteorite on Ice Served to Smithsonian Institution Washington. - A stone from the sky, found on the ice near Great Bear Lake in northern Canada, has been added to the Smithsonian institution collection of meteorites. An Indian picked it up, wondering at its perculiar form and the fact that it was lying there on top of the ice, and brought it to the nearest mission. The meteorite is about the size of a walnut, and aside from the pecullar circumstances of its discovery is not remarkable. It is thought to be a fragment of a much larger celestial projectile now probably at the bottom of the water. Search for the parent body will be made next summer. A second meteorite recently received by the Smithsonian institution is the only one of its kind known to exist. It consists of the mineral known as Chiadnite, in a form different from that recorded for any previously known meteorite. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Late Entry For Meteorite Contest #6
August 18, 2002 Greetings Mr. Mark Bostick and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! What an interesting contest! Very original! After much thought, I realized that to make a really good contest suggestion in addition to having it aimed towards all meteorite enthusiasts, regarding their degree of meteoritic knowledge and collection size, is to also have it be simple (with simple rules), about an intriguing subject, and entry inspiring. 1. What about a contest discussing one of the ultimate questions that have attracted so many to this mind-boggling hobby... WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE GREATEST MYSTERY OF METEORITES... AND WHY? DO YOU HAVE A THEORY THAT MAY CRACK IT? When one gets to the bottom of it, we actually know so little about those once drifting, mini-worlds. Just take a thin section from any meteorite and present it to the most knowledgeable scientist in the field. Ask him or her to explain everything he or she can see. He or she can't. He or she will soon tie his or her tongue in knots! This contest does not require a sophisticated meteoritic puzzle, but any mystery that we know little, or poorly about. One such entry could be about why L6 chondrites are so common, or even why we are not bombarded more with cataclysmic meteorites (with the result of Mark Bostick being able to present Meteorite Contest #6 to the list!) 2. A slightly different approach to this contest idea is to have Mark Bostick choose the meteoritic mystery that has baffled mankind for so long and have the Meteorite-list propose the best solution (but not necessarily the right one) to the puzzle. The result may be some lively and very interesting discussion... something many members might want to store in their mailbox folders! 3. Lastly, one more contest idea that I will not let go without mentioning deals with the great discovery of Neuschwanstein... WHAT DO YOU THINK IT WILL TURN OUT TO BE? AN H5? AN E3? AN ANOMALOUS CHONDRITE? (not required): EXPLAIN YOUR CONCLUSION! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sahara Sand and Michigan Dirt
Aug. 1, 2002 Greetings Jeanne Devon and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! I believe I have a clue to what you are describing. On our farm I have often seen thin layers of what appear to be dark grey to black particles in wash outs. They are very minute to be sure. However, a magnet readily attracts them as if they were metal filings. If they were magnetite, wouldn't one expect them to rust and/or corrode? I find them to be very strange and even more so under a microscope. Some, I recall, reminded me of micro iron meteorites. I have pondered there presence for a long time and have come up with a few theories, one being that they are connected in some way to an impact crater. I hope to investigate this matter more thoroughly when time permits and hopefully solve this possibly meteoritic mystery and perhaps answer your question as well. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- MuseumStore/NatureSource [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I tried to post this yesterday, but didn't see it come up. Sorry if it's a repeat!) Hi List! Can anyone tell me anything about the general composition of Sahara Desert sand? I have a couple vials that I've been looking at on my lunch break. Just out of curiosity, I held a Nd magnet against the glass of the vial and several little black specks jumped up on to the magnet. I looked at them under a binocular microscope. I couldn't rule them in or out as little micrometeorites. The orange color of the sand leads me to believe that iron may be a factor in the sand's coloration and composition, and that these specks may just be ferrous minerals and nothing to get too excited about. Has anyone come across this? Does anyone have any information/thoughts/comments? Regards, Jeanne Devon IMCA #9236 www.thenaturesource.com The Museum Store/The Nature Source __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Neuschwanstein meteorite
July 30, 2002 Greetings Mr. Marco Langbroek! Although you are no doubt more knowledgeable than I am, wouldn't it be conceivable that if Pribram and Neuschwanstein do belong to a meteoroid stream, that the dynamics and formation of it would be quite different than from what we are used to? Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will give the CRE guys headaches. If Neuschwanstein is a stream with the Pribram meteorite (and it really seems to be): then how come that Pribram has a CRE age of 19 +- 2 Ma as recently refined (see Lindner en Welten, Radiant (j. DMS) 24:2 (2002))? That is way too much for an intact stream. - Marco Langbroek --- Marco Langbroekprivate: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Leiden University work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faculty of Archaeology P.O. Box 9515 http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/ NL-2300 RA Leiden The Netherlands What seest thou else In the dark backward and abysm of time? William Shakespeare: The Tempest act I scene 2 --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Late Entry for Meteorite Contest #5
July 27, 2002 Greetings Meteorite(1) Enthusiasts! When it comes to our space rock hobby, I have certainly not skimped on books! As for not using the forbidden word more than five times, I usually like to avoid repeating the same term over and over anyway. The following is my entry for Contest #5... QUESTION #1... What is the best meteorite(2) book you have read? That is definitely a hard one. Every book purchase about those once floating mini worlds has been an awesome addition to my tiny private library. For some strange reason though, every book seems to always give some information absent from all the rest. Nevertheless, the title that intrigued me the most would have to be the illustrious Meteorites(3): Their Impact On Science And History, edited by Brigitte Zanda and Monica Rotaru. Why? I believe this book, although containing familiar information to the diehard enthusiast, is clear evidence for the existence of a meteoritic renaissance and the dawning of a new era in our day. The first literary climax in our hobby obviously came when Rocks from Space came onto the scene. It showed conclusively that such rocks were no longer the prize of scientists alone, but a pastime and hobby for everyone. Still, I can see we have passed yet another milestone. Brigitte Zanda and Monica Rotaru's book shows that space rocks have become an art too, reflecting that hidden aura we all know only too well, as shown by the book's many exquisite photos and artistic presentations. It is indeed a work of art! QUESTION #2... What is the meteorite(4) book you would like to read? For a while the Catalog, published in 2000, was on top of my want list. But that has since changed. Like many enthusiasts who haven't already read it, my interest has sparked concerning the famous title: Find A Falling Star. One thing I always enjoy with coin collecting is not just pretty pictures of toned rarities in MS65, but coin hunts. To read about others' finds is so exciting. I think my fellow collectors of galactic stones can relate to this --- the mystique about reading the adventures of others and the spoils of their troubles --- or even if they did end up empty-handed. From what I have gathered about this book, I would not be disappointed, especially when it is about such an interesting and humble individual as Mr. Nininger, who lived far from Easy Lane. While most of us know that space rocks are no longer the collectibles of the elite, let us also realize that neither is hunting for them! Many of the Nininger adventures that I'm familiar with are no doubt described in the book and can be done by you and me! It is simply a great sounding book! FINISH: The book I would really like to see Richard Norton write is... ...a book discussing for the first time that I'm aware of, as to the existence of meteor streams that are made up of large bodies that can strike the earth's surface. With the evidence that has mounted over the years and with the starling coincidence that just occurred this year concerning a possible Pribram sister fall, it is high time for the matter to be seriously looked into. As with many space rock enthusiasts, it seems to come as a natural tendency to think of the existence of space boulder streams. Other meteoritic mysteries just begging for attention and a place in such a breathtaking book is the hot and cold space rock question, electrophonic sounds (which have just been reopened as a mystery), Portales Valley, the rainstorm/ meteor shower connection, and many others. Lastly, squeezing in detailed tips on hunting for meteoritic stones not only in the deserts, but in temperate regions as Michigan, would be awfully nice too! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vienna Museum Photos, And Some Questions...
June 29, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Excellent pictures Mr. Jim Strope! I hope you and Mr. Mike Farmer were not too petrified my the sheer magnitude of the meteoritic collection that the museum would mistaken you two as newly arrived wax figures, thus, resulting in the accidental removal of both of you to a back room and labeled Modern Meteorite Enthusiasts! In any event, all this discussion about the meteoritic side of the museum has sparked a few questions... 1. Does someone happen to know what is the oldest meteorite displayed there or otherwise kept? 2. Did anyone happen to see any Michigan meteorites during the visits? 3. Due to the happy fact that the Vienna Museum was preserving meteorites years before most scientists accepted the view that there are stones falling from the sky, some of the oldest falls in the world have been thus saved from the onslaught of centuries of harsh earthly weather! Because of this, is there the possibility that there are meteorites from the museum's early beginnings that have been forgotten, misplaced and/or otherwise unclassified to this day? Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Fires And Everybody
June 26, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! I will keep praying! Sincerely, Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Close Asteroid Shave One That Got Swallowed
June 23, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Asteroid 2002 MN. This chunk of rock is said to have come as close as 0.00078 AU from earth, and was caught sight of at an embarrassing time. If it had smacked earth, we would have felt it. However, let us not forget that since 2002 MN was a NEO roughly the size of a soccer or football field, a lot of researchers were not bothering to look for asteroids of that size! Most, as overwhelmed as they no doubt feel, are concentrating their efforts on locating drifting boulders the size of a kilometer or more. Finding 2002 MN was more or less a lucky shot. With that in mind, let us not neglect to mention the ones that did hit in modern times (and I do not always mean Tunguska). Take a closer look at the beautiful Sikhote-Alin fragments that adorn many collections (including my sister's). We may not think of it, but the fireball that brought that meteoritic material to earth made quite a mess, big craters and all! Trees were lodged with them and some of the pieces were actually altered to shrapnel. Talk about hot and cold meteorites, many were most certainly not as cold as Siberia when they tore up the forest, I can say that! But, perhaps the most startling thing that comes to mind is the manner in which they did fall. To me, a meteoritic machine gun may help paint the picture. Oh yes, if that same event fell in a large city, you would indeed see people trembling today at the news of asteroid 2002 MN. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lunar Crusts + Portales Valley
May 9, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! In trying to ferret out the answer as to why there are vesicles on at least some lunar meteorites, I have come up with a question that may hold the vital clue: Are there other meteorite types documented with vesicles on their crusts? If there are, perhaps other list members will get my hint on how this whole mystery can be solved. In any event, I also have two questions regarding the very interesting meteorite, Portales Valley. I have been noodling the question of its mysterious formation too and would like enlightenment on... 1. Is there any brecciation present at all in observed pieces and/or do the current large metal areas look as if they were formed through peaceful processes? 2. If one were to isolate a chunk of one of the more larger metal areas in Portales Valley, etch it, and then proceed to have it classified as a separate meteorite, what would you think it would be classified as? I am not done pondering meteorites yet! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lunar Crusts + Portales Valley
May 9, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! In trying to ferret out the answer as to why there are vesicles on at least some lunar meteorites, I have come up with a question that may hold the vital clue: Are there other meteorite types documented with vesicles on their crusts? If there are, perhaps other list members will get my hint on how this whole mystery can be solved. In any event, I also have two questions regarding the very interesting meteorite, Portales Valley. I have been noodling the question of its mysterious formation too and would like enlightenment on... 1. Is there any brecciation present at all in observed pieces and/or do the current large metal areas look as if they were formed through peaceful processes? 2. If one were to isolate a chunk of one of the more larger metal areas in Portales Valley, etch it, and then proceed to have it classified as a separate meteorite, what would you think it would be classified as? I am not done pondering meteorites yet! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holey Lunar Crusts! --- Another Theory
May 8, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! The following is my latest theory concerning the vesicles present on (not in) NWA 482 and at least one other lunar achondrite. I had already shared it with Mr. John Divelbiss who thought it might be good to post to the list. The Theory... Possibly the vesicles are the product of regmaglyptic processes, involving a mineral within the meteorite with an extremely low boiling point and/or is quite volatile. Thus, the Swiss cheese crust, if you would like to call it that, is just regmaglyptic, only on a more unfamiliar scale. I am not aware of all the minerals that have been found in lunar meteorites, but since the vesicles appear to be quite small, the existence of the culprit mineral would likely be an accessory one (and not in a homogeneous solution). Also, if one were to have a chart containing the boiling point of various minerals, one may be able to find out or narrow down the mineral's identity and give plausible evidence to the regmaglypts theory. I think any comments on this truly mysterious meteoritic occurrence will make for some interesting discussion (along side Portales Valley, of course)! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with a Strange Rock
May 5, 2002 Greetings Ron and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! I do not know of any meteorite that attracts other metallic objects naturally, but I do think it is possible to artificially produce this effect and thus change one into a magnet. Nevertheless, when I was studying my first suspected meteorite (which was said to be some form of sphalerite) it also bore a weak magnetic attraction for iron objects. Perhaps your suspicious rock is something similar or in fact may be a chunk of magnetite (also known as lode stone) which is rather commonly found with this property. Hematite, by the way, is not usually magnetic to begin with. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I would like some information please, I found a strange heavy rock this weekend at a yard sale. I bought it because it was rather nice and I thought it might be raw hematite. However later I thought it might be a meteorite but although it does attract a magnet and passes every test (except chemical analysis) I could find on the web, it also exhibits a very weak magnetic field. I have never heard of this associated with a meteorite. Any ideas of what it might be? Thanks, Ron __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Visitor --- An Entry For Meteorite Contest #3 (Bensour-Seuss)
May 26, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Well, I have finally finished my entry, late as usual! As you will see it is contained in a text attachment. If that is not preferred or is causing too many problems to read, please let me know. I have been wanting to post more messages to the Meteorite-list on a variety of meteoritical topics, but haven't exactly found the time to do so. (Farm season has arrived, and fairly soon I will be picking strawberries --- if there is no more unusually hard frosts!) Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com The Visitor One dark and dreary night, I was in my study eyeing gads of meteorites to my delight When all of a sudden I heard a thud --- or was it a knock? Whatever it was, I must say it gave me quite a shock! Through the front door's rusty keyhole did I peek Only to see nothing but hear a creak. I unlatched the door and stepped into the gloom; No meteorite on my porch! Nothing! (as far as I could assume) Suddenly, there appeared a plump little man in a derby hat. He paraded, he yodeled --- and to think, all on my welcome mat! How do you do? I am McGoodygoo the meteorite goo-roo! he sang as he said. From that moment on I knew there was something to dread. In his hand he showed me a black little rock; It was Bensour, the new fall that has been causing people to flock. My good man, he said. Take it, as you can see it is some sight! For if you don't, I doubt my conscious will let me sleep tonight! I retorted in a voice so full of blame, It is just an NWA with a name! I must admit, I really did not know what to do; I ended up telling that funny little man to shoo. But that didn't deter him, not to the smallest degree! This little rock is as fresh as can be ! said he. I defended my Peekskill and Rose City as being just as good; I thought by now he would leave, at least I thought he would. But he continued, Your mind is too much on locations and numbers. Will you accept my Bensour with a pail of meteoritically grown cucumbers? Thank you, but I am quite fed. I uneasily said. It is late and I am now off to bed! Oh, but he would hear nothing of that, He would rather just sit and chat. How about on a bus headed for Tucson Holding a stop sign icon? Finally, my mind began to twirl, My patience started to whirl, Okay! Okay! I'll take the stuff! Give me the rock Mr. McGoodygoo, please do! I have had quite enough! I took the piece of the asteroid into my hands and stared at it, that pebble from unknown lands. For a moment I thought its glassy crust gleamed, As so it seemed... Well, all I can say now after that fretful ordeal, After experiencing such meteoritical zeal, Is that if you are ever introduced to a Mr. McGoodyGoo, Be sure to accept his piece of Bensour, please do!
[meteorite-list] Holely Lunar Crusts!?
May 26, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Since I am somewhat relaxed and have time, I wish to comment on this fascinating topic! If I understood Mr. David Calongne and Mr. Rhett Bourland correctly, they stated that lunar space rocks have been found with vesicles --- in their crusts? What a most intriguing peculiarity if I indeed read right! Just how and when did this phenomena occur during the plunge of such a meteorite? (This question is still under the illusion that the crusts of meteorites solidify before the time of impact.) I would have expected (from what I know) not to see holes in a lunar meteorite's crust or any for that matter, unless very large. One would naturally think that the molten outside of a plunging meteorite would cover over such vesicles. Thus, here are two theories... 1. Large volumes of gas trapped inside the rock under the stress of luminous flight were enough to exert adequate pressure on the molten surface to cause escape hatches to be formed. 2. The holes are a product of weathering, assuming that the holes were indeed once covered by fusion crust. Nevertheless, I could be entirely wrong in the above possibilities. It is such an enjoyment to ponder meteoritical mysteries and the like, and have people to share them with! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holey Lunar Crusts!?
May 26, 2002 Greetings Mr. David Calongne! I am quite aware of the numerous vesicles found in many earth rocks and a few unusual meteorites. My last post was referring to the holes (which I hopefully understood correctly) that actually were present on the fusion crust (unbroken, melted surface) itself. You have brought up a most interesting subject! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA *Mr. David Calongne wrote:* vesticles are really through out the rocks that are volcanic in nature both on the moon and on earth good day david __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bensour Pronunciation?
May 24, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! I know it has been awhile since my last post to the meteorite-list, but alas, I have been rather busy lately. But now, I have a meteorite pronunciation question that may have already been answered during the past thread concerning just that subject. How do you pronounce: Bensour? Thank you in advance for anybody's help! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Big Thank You 2
Hello everybody! My brother Mark said I could use his e-mail so I can write a thank you to everyone on the meteorite-list. First, I want to thank Jim Strope for his generous gift. I can't wait to get it in the mail! Thank you! Thank you Bernd for giving up your consolation prize for me! Everyone is so nice! Thank you Mr. Bostick for letting me enter the contest and thank you for offering Rocks From Space book! If it isn't too much trouble, could you please sign it? And now thank you everyone who voted for me and if I'm leaving someone out to thank, I'm sorry. Thanks everyone, Catherine __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Mother's Day is May 12th! http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I think African meteorites are cool because...
May 5, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Despite my persistent searching for meteorites here in Michigan, I decided to finally try a different approach and enter the contest! A few members on this list may remember me mentioning my plan on buying (or at least seriously think of buying) meteorites after I finally find one or get tired of searching for one (which I haven't yet). Allow me just to say that there are some differences in this case as I am not buying any space rocks and have entered the contest partly on behalf of a friend. So without further ado my entry is as follows... I think African meteorites are cool because, well, because of this... They have an allure, an allure that cannot be described accurately by words alone, one which has attracted the minds and hearts of many adventurers, for meteorite hunters are indeed true adventurers in every way. These heavenly bodies not only harken back the days of old, the days of El Dorado, the 49'ers, Victoria, Klondike, and others, but literally awaken the whole excitement of those illustrious rushes. What's more, the trek to the windswept lands spoken by many ardent meteorite hunters as being paved with celestial riches, is too, an arduous journey, just like the other rushes. As for some of the African space rocks that many deject due to their unclassified nature, I must say that such a thing adds to their allure, at least when I read about them. By being chemically unknown, just ponder the mysteriousness of such meteorites and even the great mysteries that meteorite collectors themselves could reveal with only a saw and a curious mind! Here is also how I picture African meteorites as being cool: ...It was dusk and getting late. Our meteorite hunter from under his wide-brimmed hat momentarily shielded his forehead as he surveyed the unfriendly, desert terrain. He knew fully well he should be getting back to his jeep and call it a day. But his long hours scouring the desert had yielded him not a single meteoritic stone and his eyes kept him glued to the hunt, always darting here and there, ever hopeful that a forgotten treasure may lurk up out of the scattered limestone. Suddenly, a thunderous noise broke the eerie silence, followed by a sharp squeal. Our adventurer threw his head towards the north in the direction of the mighty dunes which rose up like great walls of sand. He waited. Nothing. After a short while, he attempted to climb the dunes which blocked his view of the north for many miles. Finally, a bright twinkle from Venus tapped him on the shoulders. It was time to go. He sighed to himself as he paused crawling up the sand. Within minutes he found himself climbing into his desert transportation, still quite hot to the touch. The shadows grew longer as he rode off across the arid land. Within a short space of time, he arrived back at his makeshift camp, greeted by his fellow meteorite hunters that joined him on the meteoritic expedition. Their expressions all looked somehow strange, as if they were trying to conceal some sort of excitement. At last one of the friends causally spoke up, Hi Rudy. Find anything? Our unsuccessful adventurer shook his head. His friend smiled Well then, did you see the bolide? Rudy's eyes suddenly blew up like balloons. No Frank! A Fireball? I-I thought I heard something, but didn't think it was... Are you sure? As sure as dripping tektites! Why, everybody here saw it! It was unbelievable! It was blue with a touch of red, and blew into hundreds of pieces just to the north of here. We heard screaming and everything. Quickly an expression of disbelief swept over Frank. Where were you Rudy? Practicing your survival skills by eating the grass again? We haven't finished all of the hot fudge yet you know! Our adventurer was completely dumbfounded and restless, and stayed that way all night until next morning where I feel it wise to end this adventure for now... Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TATA
April 28, 2002 Greetings Anne Black and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! I too could not locate the iron meteorite Tata. However, I did find Taza, an iron meteorite found in Morocco in 2000, which was labeled as an ataxite in the FernBank Meteorite Collection, and listed for sale at Planetbrey Meteorites as ungrouped. I also found it listed for sale on Rob Elliott's Fernlea Meteorites web site. Strange sounding meteorite. I hope this will be of some value. If this is not the meteorite you are looking for, perhaps it is still too new of a find and word has yet to pass evenly around. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List-members, I am looking for information regarding the TATA meteorite, a medium octohedrite (apparently) from Morocco. A Google search brought up a lot about the Tata Institute in India, but nothing about this meteorite. Thank you in advance for your time and efforts. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Something Different To Consider About
April 26, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! With the startling news announced by European Fireball researchers in regard to the EN060402 bolide being linked with the Pribram chondrite, fellow enthusiasts on the Meteorite-list are likewise trying to make connections. However, I must say something that may not have been considered. When trying to discover a meteorite stream (meteoroid is the better term here) we should not just consider or try to link meteorite falls of only one distinct type with each other. In reality, the composition of such a stream composed of asteroid matter is quite likely not to be homogenous! Dr. Pavel Spurny in his history making e-mail had this little footnote to add: Finally, from the perfect similarity of both heliocentric orbits we can predicate, that both bodies had also the same composition and therefore we can expect that meteorites produced by the April 6 fireball are H5 ordinary chondrites. Astounding! I was intrigued that such a bold statement was made, especially in such a mysterious and sparsely understood whelm. However, in this case, I believe the logic which drew the conclusion should be revised. Just because the orbital data and/or fireball information of both meteorite falls are so similar doesn't mean that they are one in the same meteorite, petrologic type and all! Asteroids almost undoubtedly vary in overall composition as one nears the core, which does of course assume we are talking about a good sized asteroid body to begin with or a big fragment from such. With the discovery of so many asteroid moon systems recently, we again should not be so certain that the two linked meteorite falls have almost equal compositions. For all we know these asteroid moons could form a hefty percentage of a rocky meteoroid stream, ones with slight petrologic and composition differences or entirely different classes! Gravitational pulls by our planet could be prying them loose from the mother ship asteroid during close encounters. As a result, the behavior of such a stream could be noticeably different from that of a normal cometary meteoroid stream. Something else to keep in mind. In conclusion, chondrites of different petrologic types (or possibly even meteorites of different classes) should not necessarily be excluded when trying to identify a date(s) that a possible meteoroid swarm is encountering Earth. Also, EN060402 does not necessarily have to be an H5 chondrite as is Pribram when one digs more deeply into the compositional nature of asteroids. Lastly, the behavior of an asteroid meteoroid stream may involve new methods of sending material to Earth. All the above is my personal slant and I am open to all comments on this matter. Please correct me for any possible errors. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Plotting Months and Days EN060402 --- Something to Consider
April 27, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! With the startling news announced by European Fireball researchers in regard to the EN060402 bolide being linked with the Pribram chondrite, fellow enthusiasts on the Meteorite-list are likewise trying to make connections. However, I must say something that may not have been considered. When trying to discover a meteorite stream (meteoroid is the better term here) we should not just consider or try to link meteorite falls of only one distinct type with each other. In reality, the composition of such a stream composed of asteroid matter is quite likely not to be homogenous! Dr. Pavel Spurny in his history making e-mail had this little footnote to add: Finally, from the perfect similarity of both heliocentric orbits we can predicate, that both bodies had also the same composition and therefore we can expect that meteorites produced by the April 6 fireball are H5 ordinary chondrites. Astounding! I was intrigued that such a bold statement was made, especially in such a mysterious and sparsely understood whelm. However, in this case, I believe the logic which drew the conclusion should be revised. Just because the orbital data and/or fireball information of both meteorite falls are so similar doesn't mean that they are one in the same meteorite, petrologic type and all! Asteroids almost undoubtedly vary in overall composition as one nears the core, which does of course assume we are talking about a good sized asteroid body to begin with or a big fragment from such. With the discovery of so many asteroid moon systems recently, we again should not be so certain that the two linked meteorite falls have almost equal compositions. For all we know these asteroid moons could form a hefty percentage of a rocky meteoroid stream, ones with slight petrologic and composition differences or entirely different classes! Gravitational pulls by our planet could be prying them loose from the mother ship asteroid during close encounters. As a result, the behavior of such a stream could be noticeably different from that of a normal cometary meteoroid stream. Something else to think about. In conclusion, chondrites of different petrologic types (or possibly even meteorites of different classes) should not necessarily be excluded when trying to identify a date(s) that a possible meteoroid swarm is encountering Earth. Also, EN060402 does not necessarily have to be an H5 chondrite as is Pribram when one digs more deeply into the compositional nature of asteroids. Lastly, the behavior of an asteroid meteoroid stream may involve new methods of sending material to Earth. All the above is my personal slant and I am open to all comments on this matter. Please correct me for any possible errors. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mercurian References/ The Geology of Venus
April 23, 2002 Greetings Mr. Sterling K. Webb and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! Thank you again for your oodles of Mercurian (and meteoritic) wisdom! I do not know if I will be able to easily obtain the references you mentioned, but I will keep an eye out! A most interesting subject indeed! I need to get a spectrometer sometime and do some studying myself! By the way, are you by chance familiar with the book The Geology of Venus? I do not recall the author at the moment since I do not currently have the book catalog that I saw it listed. However, it looked quite interesting as it is just the book I have been looking for to give a little insight into the rocks of that mysterious land as well. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mr. Sterling K. Webb's Mercurian Masterpiece
April 22, 2002 Greetings Mr. Sterling K. Webb and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! Thank you for that monumental response to my question about Mercurian meteorites! I have printed out your post for my growing meteorite library, a habit that is highly recommended by numismatists as well. Imagine, frozen water! Amazing! But now, after reading your extensive e-mail, I have another question. Why aren't we sending more probes and the like to Mercury? It seems just as fascinating and mysterious as Mars--- not to mention closer too, during its greatest distance from Earth. My goodness, I even read that when Mariner 10 was flown to study the first two inner planets in the mid-1970's, it was discovered that by flying near Venus, the spacecraft was pulled on by that planet's gravity, thus giving it a little push as so to speak, which saved on fuel and time while it traveled to Mercury. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mercurian Meteorites Low In Metal?
April 21, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! A question has emerged concerning what a Mercurian meteorite should look like and/or otherwise contain. While reading the recent discussions, it was stated that such space rocks would contain a low metal content. However, it is currently accepted that Mercury contains a rather large core of molten iron. Being the second smallest planet in the solar system and without a useful atmosphere, wouldn't such a planet normally be less equilibrated than Venus or Earth if it wasn't for its close proximity to the sun? To clarify this, wouldn't one expect there to be more free iron-nickel near or in the planet's mantle if it wasn't for the sun? I am guessing that to be the reason why such a prediction was made concerning Mercurian meteorites: the sun's heat causing the heavier elements to migrate to the core. Is this so? (Venus, by the way, if I read correctly and which is further away from the sun, is supposed to be hotter due to its thick clouds.) Before I go, I wish to thank Al for his input on my last post about the European fireballs! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: What could this be? Hmmmm.
April 20, 2002 Greetings Mr. Jim Strope and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! The rock in question looks too metallic to me (at least at the moment) to be just a plain hematite nodule. An iron meteorite is also doubtful as the surface, although a bit rusty and weathered, is still too smooth and blobby looking to be meteoritic. I suspect it is a product of some kind of manmade object or byproduct during some sort of construction. I don't think it is welding however, as I wouldn't expect it to be so round and appearing as such. Of course I could be entirely wrong and it may indeed be meteoritic, which I hope! I would suggest to ask the owners if they have ever tampered with it, like trying to smelt or otherwise heat it up. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any ideas on what this may be? http://www.geocities.com/nwa482/DSCF0014.jpg http://www.geocities.com/nwa482/DSCF0015.jpg http://www.geocities.com/nwa482/DSCF0017.jpg Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Strange (And Interesting!) Allende Inclusions
April 19, 2002 Greetings Jay Haynes, Bernd, and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! I have two possibilities to share on this interesting mystery: 1. Perhaps Jay's piece of Allende is clastic and the strange inclusions are in a sense not that of Allende, but are in a clast or his whole sample is a clast. Zenolithic I think is the term. 2. Then again, perhaps the strange inclusions are Allende material and really are metallic --- free copper is the phrase. Some meteorites, such as Garnett, Kansas is said to contain such grains which I would like to discuss in rigorous detail some time in the future when time permits. I should mention that I have never heard (at least I don't exactly recall) of free copper in a carbonaceous chondrite. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jay Haynes wrote: From the looks of the inclusion it is a sulfide (brass colored about 1mm in length and half a mm in width). I am 100% sure it is a slice of Allende as I just got it from [...] Looking over the slice I see many more brass colored metal flakes in it but much smaller as well as some ordinary metallic flake in the matrix as well as from the looks of it (not too sure at this moment) also in the chondrules. Hello Jay and List, This description still leaves me a little puzzled as there should not be anything like metal flakes and mm-sized brassy inclusions. I've been looking at my six Allende slices (the largest having a diameter of more than 2 inches) but the only features I could detect that somewhat resemble your description are orange-colored specks and a look at figure 6.6 (an Axtell specimen in full color!) in O.R. Norton's CEM (p. 107) says: Weathering of the meteorite has altered some of the chondrules turning them an o r a n g e color. There should be so many Allende slices in our collections that it would be interesting to hear more about what Jay observed from other list members! Best regs, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Pronunciation List Question
April 17, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! I have been busy recently, so I am not exactly sure when I will send a list of Michigan meteorites with pronunciation keys. I hope to start on it when time permits. Nevertheless, when it is all done, who do I send it to? Any help will be appreciated. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2003 Meteor Showers + Meteorite and Meteor Enthusiasts Combinding Talents
April 9, 2002 Greetings Mr. Roman Jirasek and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! To glean information concerning the meteor shower events for 2003, I would get in touch with the IMO (International Meteor Organization). Their web site address is: http://www.imo.net/index.html Also, I would highly recommend these other web sites as well: http://www.namnmeteors.org/ http://comets.amsmeteors.org/ http://www.amsmeteors.org/ Although I believe the peaks of meteor showers usually occur around the same dates year after year, you may still want to get in contact with the kind people who host the above sites, just in case I have missed something. With that said, you and other list members may also want to post your meteor shower and fireball questions on our neighbor mailing list: http://www.meteorobs.org When it comes to such phenomena and must I say fireballs, they are the people to ask! They were right on top of it when the excitement occurred in reference to the famous Pennsylvanian daylight fireball last year. Lew Gramer (the list administrator), or someone else would probably love to share fireball reports with this list --- ones that perhaps wouldn't be known to meteorite-list members otherwise. In fact, this is one of the many reasons I think both lists should work together in discovering more about these past fireballs from Europe. Both meteorite collectors and meteor observers have so much in common but yet seem to be distinctly different in a way. To be blunt, I see that as a shame... Lastly, I immensely agree with Steve Schoner about the mysterious time of the April 6/7 fireballs. I too, (like usual) have thought something was strange about this whole event. Photographic and visual data on these fireballs from which meteor radiant specialists can rummage through may come up with some startling conclusions! Hopefully nobody will let all of this potential data age and wither away! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ordin. chondrite slab
April 9, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Good Grief! Could your meteorite in question be something related to the highly brecciated Rose City (H5 chondrite)? Here is a link to a picture of a piece: http://meteorites.asu.edu/rose.htm Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- David Calongne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi list, at my rock club (arlington texas) we had a small time meteorite dealer from north dallas (visiting speaker) who got his merchandise from e-bay and alot of its names/histories lost or unclassified. he had a slice of completly black chondrite with alot of metal flakes but streams of areas between the islands of metal flakes where there were no metal flakes if i had the money i wish i could of bought it was it a impact melt? it was unclassified. it seemed too complex to be shock veins, maybe not? it was the size of an adult hand. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rose City H5 Chondrite Auction Questioning/Picture
March 18, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Long time no type, I must agree! Since the advent of Lent, I decided to cut back on using the computer except for work and special matters, which excludes Sundays, of course. But now, someone has opened up an interesting discussion concerning one of my favorite meteorites --- Rose City. Since I am still intently searching the area in my county (Newaygo) for a Michigan meteorite, it so happens that I like to learn everything I can about the fascinating specimens and rumors of meteorites that have been found in the state. This has boiled down in a way to include keeping track of such meteorites that are being offered for sale. Tom, or his ebay User ID: topaz.mineral.expl is the only person I have so far come across that ever sells Michigan meteorites on ebay, which according to his auctions, is also the only source I know of for the rare Rose City H5 chondrite (fall, 1921), Grand Rapids IRANOM octahedrite (find, 1883), and Seneca Township fine octahedrite (find, 1923). As of recent, it appears that he has put up a lot of Michigan meteorite pieces for bid, including the big chunk (28.7g) of what he calls Rose City; the cause of current questioning. Despite that, that particular auction evidently caused some hearty bidding and ended a little while ago. When I first started visiting his auctions, I was dumfounded that a person was actually selling Michigan meteorites, of which I am gathering, are not very commonly offered for sale! This prompted me to finally ask him where he was able to get such a big and handsome piece of Rose City and Allegan, which at the time referred to large sized samples from both falls. He e-mailed me back (Thursday, September 20, 2001) and writes in part of the letter: This is the third or fourth piece of the Rose City that I have had for sale over the past several years, although this is by far the best. They are all from my personal collection acquired over the past 35 years (I have been a mineral dealer since 1977). On ebay I have offered specimens of almost all of the Michigan falls and finds. In any event, I must agree with the questions raised about the pictures he has displayed in his ebay auctions. They do seem to contrast noticeably with the first picture I had glanced of Rose City, the beautiful one pictured on the Arizona State University web site. The link to the picture is at: http://meteorites.asu.edu/rose.htm Perhaps this distinct difference is due to what Bern doubtfully inferred at the end of his e-mail about the subject --- a light-colored clast. Of course, one would more likely agree with Bern's other conclusions, and dismiss the clast theory altogether, since all the other Rose City pieces I have seen by Tom exhibit (at least mostly if not entirely) the same texture and color as his most recent piece. Still, don't always cling to what seems to be the obvious or easy conclusion and be carried away with one's extrapolations, of which even I am at fault with (and not to say that Bern was). In this case, such a hasty conclusion would translate into the 28.7 gram chunk of rock labeled as Rose City as not being one in the same when shown with definitive Rose City material. At this point negative extrapolation would take over. Now with that said, here is a theory (expanded from Bern's) that should be given some thought. From the pieces professionally examined, Rose City is looked upon as one highly shocked chunk of space rock, with an S6 designation! Perhaps this meteorite, unbeknownst to the majority of meteorite enthusiasts due in part to its rarity, is composed of two distinct meteorite materials cemented together, so much so that perhaps a better term needs to be used--- a mesoclastic-breccia if you will. Therefore, possibly only certain section(s) of Rose City were ever sampled for sale and/or for study which involved revealing the brutally brecciated black matrix we commonly associate with Rose City, and only a small percentage of the lighter peaceful matrix that went unnoticed. In conclusion, I do not detect deceit by Tom, but question his Rose City picture like a cautious potential bidder should. In his new Seneca Township ebay auction which I believe is still going on, it should be noted that he has taken the effort to correct a mistake regarding the location where the iron was found. If you would like to response to me privately or have a question, etc., your best bet for an answer is to use this e-mail for the next few weeks: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please forgive me for errors if any are present in this letter. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Iron Breccia Responses
February 3, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! Thank you Bernd, Rhett Bourland, Steve Schoner, Eric Olsan, Rick Kujawa, and Matt Morgan for your superb remarks and information regarding the existence of iron breccias. Please forgive me if I have forgotten to mention someone or misspelled someone's name! With what was said though, I think it can be reasonably stated that the existence of an iron breccia, composed of two distinct irons that originated on different parent bodies, is very probable. The whole discussion was just another example indicating the mysteriousness and fascination with which the study of space rocks presents itself to the curious. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Winona Connection/Steve Schoner
February 3, 2002 Greetings Mr. Steve Schoner, and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! A thought occurred to me about your interesting post regarding the octahedritic impactor that formed Meteor Crater and its ties to being a possible iron breccia of some sorts. From your intriguing research, you also stated in the post that the famous Winona meteorites may be directly linked to the space rock that created Meteor Crater in the form of stony inclusions. With this possibility, I think it is wise for a closer examination of the outer surface on Winona fragments. Despite my unfamiliarity with this type of meteorite (including weathering grade), was there or are there any signs of fusion crust present? If there is, appearing like the crusts on so many studied meteorite falls, (including any possible traces of flow lines and orientation), then I would think chances are that it may have broken off the iron mass while still plummeting. On the other hand, if a crust is present, but somehow different in origin as through the heat generated by a major shock related event, then suspicions point to the possibility that it was thrown out of the crater like many of the iron fragments were upon impact. But this brings up an additional question, of which I have wondered about. Is it known whether or not meteorite fragments that survived a large impact event with earth, would still possess fusion crusts of some sort and be different in any way compared to common forms produced by luminous flight? Lastly, is it known if the Winona meteorites are highly shocked? In any event, I hope you will get permission to investigate that possible fragment of another Winona meteorite, to better prove your own suspicions. Please keep in mind, however, that most of this e-mail is just quick speculation. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Weather Update!
January 31, 2002 Greetings Meteorite Enthusiasts! For some reason my e-mail did not get posted to the list yesterday. So, I will send it again with a little current update. It is 30.5 F as of 10:35:15 A.M. EST (Jan. 31). There is a nice blanket of snow outside, too. It fell just last night. How the weather shifts! Still, there has been no new meteorite falls here yet, sadly! Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA I wrote yesterday: Jan. 30, 2002 Greetings Tom and fellow Meteorologists, and Meteorite Enthusiasts! No snow here presently, except in a few patches from the last major frozen precipitation. The temperature, according to one of the many my family has reads 31.3 F as of 4:45:15 P.M EST. The smoke from one of our chimneys a few minutes ago gave the indication of warmer air above it, with the smoke falling downwards. No new meteorite impacts yet, though. Long strewn fields! Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Big Buffy Snow Flakes here in south eastern Michigan. About 4 inches. Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Falling Stars Book Correction/Nakhla Meteorites
January 27, 2002 Greetings Mr. Ron Baalke and Fellow Meteorite Enthusiasts! I just looked in the book Rocks From Space which confirms your correction. Sorry for the mistake. Long strewn fields. Mark Fox Newaygo, MI USA --- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, why doesn't someone ask Mr. Robert Haag for information about his hunts for Nakhla meteorites in Egypt? A good chance he may know a lot about what transpired there during the time of the meteorite fall. He did visit El Nakhla. I don't think he searched Denshal for meteorites, but I bet he would have had he known all of the facts concerning the fall. His expedition is mentioned in the famous book Rocks From Space, and I recall Mr. Haag interviewing an old man that almost was supposedly struck by one of the Martian stones! Thus, Mr. Haag may know of previously uninterviewed witnesses. I think your confusing this with the Zagami meteorite fall, another Mars meteorite which fill in Nigeria in 1962. In this case, the meteorite fell near the farmer while he was tending his field. Bob did talk to the farmer about the Zagami fall later on. Ron Baalke __ Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Breaking News: The Neuschwanstein Meteorite
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