Re: [meteorite-list] etching solution
Well everyone I was not going to update yet but since there seems to be interest at the moment I have posted the new reworked site to my url www.meteorite1.net , enjoy. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: Pekka Savolainen To: meteorite1.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] etching solution Well, when checked the pics, I think I have to try this,even as a "seasoned collector"...;-take care,pekkameteorite1.net wrote: Hi Mark, Here is my current site www.meteorite1.net & here is the new site which is not posted yet http://www.meteorite1.com/images/site/index.html If you have any questions after reading these drop me an e-mail. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: Mark Jackson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] etching solution Dear List, I'm trying to locate etching solution capable of etching Widmanstatten patterns to view on meteorites. I understand it's nitric acid? I got the "bright" idea of checking my local electronic supply house for PC board etching solution and it seems that ferric chloride is used to etch copper from the breadboards. I got a B in college chemistry and that makes me question the usefulness of using ferric chloride on a meteo(rite/wrong). Am I correct in questioning this practice? Where can I find, or how can I extract, nitric acid to use if I am correct? Many thanks, Mark Do you Yahoo!?Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).-- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] etching solution
Hi Mark, Here is my current site www.meteorite1.net & here is the new site which is not posted yet http://www.meteorite1.com/images/site/index.html If you have any questions after reading these drop me an e-mail. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: Mark Jackson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] etching solution Dear List, I'm trying to locate etching solution capable of etching Widmanstatten patterns to view on meteorites. I understand it's nitric acid? I got the "bright" idea of checking my local electronic supply house for PC board etching solution and it seems that ferric chloride is used to etch copper from the breadboards. I got a B in college chemistry and that makes me question the usefulness of using ferric chloride on a meteo(rite/wrong). Am I correct in questioning this practice? Where can I find, or how can I extract, nitric acid to use if I am correct? Many thanks, Mark Do you Yahoo!?Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
[meteorite-list] video of Park Forest meteoroid
video of Park Forest meteoroidhttp://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/032703_ns_skyflash.html Ron Hartman
Re: [meteorite-list] etching irons with ferric chloride
Hi Jeff, 400 grit is ok for Gibeon but do not dilute the RS etchant! To minimize the hazing you should go a little finer than 400, if you have a bench grinder go spend about $10 & get a buffing wheel & some black polishing compound at your local Ace hardware. Remember to polish from the center of the slice out & stay away from the edges for your safety & so that you do not "roll" the crisp edge over. You can do this on Gibeon because of the tight crystal pattern but polish lightly only to take the "edge" off of the sanding scratches. Sincerely, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteed www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 7:40 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] etching irons with ferric chloride > Howdy Folks, > > I'm a bit new to the meteorite world, and when I read Jim Hartman's > Meteorites 101 a couple months ago about etching irons, I had to give it a > try. > > I've been etching and re-etching a gibeon slice that I had (with some > visible blade marks that I wanted to grind out), and finally think I'm > getting close to a good etch. > > However, I keep getting clouds or haze around trollite inclusions. The > "rubbing" step seems to help this, but no amount of rubbing makes it fully > go away. > > I'm following Jim's instructions as religiously as I know how (including > using hot running tap water - something I was afraid of at first). I'm > diluting my radio shack etchant about 1:4. Also, I'm only sanding to 400 > grit, not 600 or 1200 like some suggest. > > Anyone else seen this kind of problem? > > Thanks in advance for the help, > > Jeff > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] update on expulsion
Mr. Arnold, As I told you in my e-mail to you Tuesday, December 24, 2002 8:44 AM, I am speaking to the board members about this matter. Mr. Bourland is in the process of moving & just before that he was working on the web site so I believe that the removal of your #/name is accidental as there are I believe a few others that are missing as well. I have not been able to contact him as of yet, as soon as I do I will let you know. On the IMCA site there is a board members page & on that page is links to all of the board members e-mail addresses which would have been a more direct method of obtaining an answer to your question. Would you like me to continue violating the Meteorite list policies along with you or could you e-mail myself &/or other board members on this & any future questions or comments. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: STEVE ARNOLD To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 5:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] update on expulsion I hope everyone had a great christmas. And I wish everyone a happy new year. For the leaders in the IMCA,I am wondering if anything has been done to see why I was sent packing from the IMCA list? I know the holidays are here and not alot of people are around, just want to know if someone has looked into it. It has been the only downer from and otherwise GREAT christmas.To use my popular saying, Let me know. steve arnold,the second proudest member IMCA # 6728 Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
[meteorite-list] Sorry for this post here
Hello list members, I am sorry to post this in this forum but as the problems that I have deal with people that are on this list it is the best way to contact them, as long as this e-mail goes through. I have been unable to reply/e-mail some people & after many attempts to correct this problem I give up. This evening I am going to start backing up data on my PC & then wipe my hdd clean followed a fresh OS install. I hope that this will fix my problems, please if you have e-mailed me with no response from me resend your message or questions. Providing all goes well I will be back online sometime tomorrow evening. Again I am sorry for the off topic post. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
Re: [meteorite-list] Bessey comment
John Divelbiss wrote:> You will want to see my article in the Sept. 2002 METEORITE TIMES (under the heading Meteorites 101) at http://www.meteoritetimes.com/current_issue/index.htm re: Update on NWA Classifications with comments from Dr. Jutta Zipfel from the NomCom. This information is provided as a number of persons have indicated an interest in hearing from the NomCom regarding this matter. RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: John Divelbiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Bernd Pauli HD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Radosevich, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bessey comment > Bernd, Dave and list,> > I concur with the comments to date. But I thought it really wasn't meteorite> until the "council" says it is? For now it is just a rock, right.> > My gut tells me that science as a whole is missing the boat with the> NWA's...someday the negative positions taken during these times over the> lack information like location, particulars of find, etc. will be a mistake> that can't be fixed. I know this subject has had a lot of press, but from a> simpletons point of view the treatment of the most NWA's not being> legitimate is wrong. I have no clue as to the fix(es) for the problems> perceived, but to "putoff or shun" the likes of Dean and others to get> classifications done in a timely matter is a mistake. Some dealers have> direct connections that make this less of a problem...but they are in the> minority I would think. A concerted effort to improve all aspects of this> problem, including the availability of labs capable of doing such work> should be done before we lose the bulk of potential information on these> great rocks. It is late in the game, but not too late I would hope. There> are many great pieces out here that are orphaned at this point...with owners> wanting to know what it is.> > Protesting not to buy or acknowledge this so called junk only reinforces> this stubborn position. Those doing so are adding to the thick crust of the> objectors...limiting science instead of improving it.> > From the sounds of it, fixing the problems (some real, some perceived due to> association) in Morocco are probably the hardest to resolve...and they may> never be. But once the rocks are in hand, why can't the community come to> grips with helping all of us with the classification process.> > This is my two cents. I am newbie to all this, collecting only for three> years. I'm sure many smart people out there have more insight. But when you> break it down in my mind, the general treatment of NWA's (and other African> meteorites) is WRONG!> > I read an article written in May by fellow list member Norbert Classen that> discusses this issue from another field collectors point of view. I totally> agree and hope others will come forward to help this situation out. The link> is http://www.meteorite.fr/en/news/feature.htm> > Thanx for your time and forgive me if you are offended,> > John Divelbiss (BL #33)> IMCA2006> > PS If no one responds, that's OK with me...it has happened before.> PSS Dean, keep trying for all of us.> > > - Original Message -> From: "Bernd Pauli HD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: "Radosevich, Dave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 4:31 PM> Subject: [meteorite-list] Bessey comment> > > > An enthusiastic Dave wrote:> >> > > If this is the "worst of the bunch" then the other 39 folks> > > got really really nice specimens. My BL15 is way better than> > > the photo. Mine has it all. It's oriented and shows flow lines,> > > rollover edge, and plenty of thumb prints. A personal thanks to> > > Dean Bessey for bringing this truly nice NWA to all of us (40).> >> >> > Hi Dave, BL-owners and List,> >> > Welcome to the BL-Club :-) Your description says it all! Congrats> > on this breathtaking specimen. I wanted to buy this one because of> > its relatively low weight (which saves money) but "didn't like the> > horizontal scar". Oh, well ...> >> > > I normally dont buy NWA's for reasons we have shared on this list.> >> > They are meteorites without a pedigree ... but does beauty need> > a pedigree? They are meteorites. They have come from the same> > places as their "decent" brethren w i t h a pedigree! My two> > Euro-cents!> >> > Best regards,> >> > Bernd (BL #18)> >> > __> > Meteorite-list mailing list> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http:
Re: [meteorite-list] Beginner Questions on Meteorite Classification
<> These points specifically are addressed in my articles under the heading of Meteorites 101: (the series is especially written for beginner collectors) in Meteorite Times at www.meteorite.com (without the 1) The current issue (August) defines shock and weathering. The July issue discusses classification and the Sept. issue includes detailed comments regarding the NomCom's position on NWA's, by Dr. Jutta Zipfel, who represents the Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society. <> Also, Norton's Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites will go as deep as you probably want to go. (If you wish an autographed copy (of either Norton book) , we have them on my website at www.meteorite1.com, or you can get them (no autograph) from Amazon.com. RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: Mark Morawski To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 6:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Beginner Questions on Meteorite Classification I am a beginning collector and have read Norton's Rocks from space. I am wondering if there is any online definition of the currently used classification system as it differs from the system described by Norton. Specifically when a meteor is classified as a H, L or LL of 3.X with a weathering of Y and a shock rating of Z. Where would one find the definition of X, Y and Z? Second question, are there any online photographs that show the comparision of 4, 5, and 6. I am a big fan of unclassified NWA's and would like to get some feel for what these meteors are? Last question if I wanted to learn more about the technical side of the hobby, what would be good reading material on or off line. I am looking to go alot deeper than Norton. Thanks All -Mark-
[meteorite-list] Lets rename the thread! (postoffice problems!)
Someone wrote <> This raises both an ethical and legal problem. On U.S.P.O. International parcel post packages invoices are now supposed to accompany the package, and correct declarations made. (This does not apply to small air-letter packs). If not a new policy, I am told by the postoffice is nevertheless being more rigorously enforced, as of the last several months. Matteos problem with having to pay excessive customs fees, and the same for those in many other countries, is well understood and appreciated. This, though, poses a real problem, as well, for both buyer and seller when a client requests that a lesser or "no value" declaration be stated and then something is lost. Its also a problem when the client asks for no insurance, and then understandably gets upset if and when the package gets lost. (This is human nature!) Since we usually underestimate actual postage anyway, and end up accepting the risk if that is acceptable, such as with small inexpensive or easily replaceable items (such as...uhem! our membrane boxes) paying the insurance ourselves, solves the immediate problem but probably is not the correct way to run a serious business. For us, the business exists to support a teaching museum collection in a college and some kind of profit margin is appreciated but not a pressing issue. Sometimes we just want material to study and then pass on at cost. For full-time businesses with only that single source of income, and unless they want negative cash-flow, their only alternative is to increase profit-margins with higher prices to cover such expenses or go out of business. RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: a bad N.E. Meteoritical Services experience? > Hello all> > > Another dilemma which we all know about, and many> > attempt to avoid, are the > > Custom laws of the different countries. It does no> > good for a customer to > > request shipping via the USPS and then ask that a> > reduced value be declared > > on the package. That frustrates the sender's ability> > to insure the package. > > No insurance means that someone loses if the package> > doesn't arrive. I am > > sure the "risk" is worth it until the unfortunate> > inevitable occurs. And, I > > am certain that it happen more often than we hear> > about.> > This is another problem, here in Italy for the packs> from outside Europa the custom ask a 20% in tax. Just> few days ago E.Olson have sent to me my Vigarano slice> via FedEx. After 2 days I received a phone from Milan> where a Mrs ask to me if I want pay $250 of tax for a> pack, this only why the insure of $1200 write on the> pack. I am sorry but I have addvise I no want pay a> similar tax and I have ask the return of the piece in> USA. For the moment the pack is not return in USA. I> hope is no go lost or I kill in first the persons of> the custom in Milan, and after the persons of the> FedEx.> Regards> > Matteo> > > => M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato> Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info> International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140> MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/> > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes> http://finance.yahoo.com> > __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>
Fw: [meteorite-list] N.E. Meteoritical Services / meteorite B-Day
If there is a problem, it is not with N.E.M.S. They are as professional as they get. The U.S.P.O. can be very spotty, timewise or localitywise. Internationally, i have had things arrive in Australia in 2 days, other times not so. Same with goods to Matteo, also Canada. Those seem to be the most unpredictable, maybe days, maybe months! Recent mail to Canada has gone very well, but several months ago both Dean and had agreed that a package from him was indeed lost, when it finally did arrive after several weeks. I've never been a fan of UPS, but have been using it lately and finding that they are really efficient. I had a rush order last week. Placed it on my doorstep for Saturday pickup (it was picked up at 12 noon) and was on the customer's desk at 9:30 AM in Pennsylvania on Monday morning, using second day air) WOW! Maybe try UPS instead. You always have on-time tracking. RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] N.E. Meteoritical Services / meteorite B-Day > Thanks everybody for the reply. I had a feeling that the Post Office was the > likely culprit. I would suggest to all that if you ship a package, do not > put anything that would imply "meteorite", "meteoritical", "mineral", or the > like on the package. That certainly makes for an easy target for sticky > fingers.> > BTW...HAPPY BIRTHDAY BATH, SD METEORITE! 210 YEARS OLD TODAY> > > Randy in N.O.> IMCA 6118> > __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>
Re: [meteorite-list] Cracking Brahin Pallasite
Anne Black wrote <>Most of my Quinjingue are good but I've heard reports that others are not. Suppose like Brahin. I have some that after several years simply don't rust, and had one ~200 g. slice I purchased at a Tucson auction a few years ago that literally broke in half on its own and then turned into a rustball within 3 months (available at 6 cts/g !) I also have a 2 or 3 pound Nantan that literally turned into a pile of rubble in a year (also available at 2 cts/g.) ! RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cracking Brahin Pallasite In a message dated 8/27/02 1:56:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . If you want a beautiful stable pallasite, buy Esquel or Imilac. or Glorieta. or Marjalathi.How stable is Quinjingue?Anne M. BlackIMCA #2356www.IMPACTIKA.comE-mail: Impactika @aol.com
Re: [meteorite-list] How to cut "thin sections"
Hello Mark, Go to Jim Tobin's article on Making Thin Sections in the current issue of the on-line meteorite magazine, the Meteorite Times: http://www.meteoritetimes.com/ Click on the link "Jim's Fragments" The color you see are produced by passing light through two crossed polarizing filters with a very thin-cut slice (0.03 mm) thick between them. How this works is explained in Richard Norton's series (see the current issue of METEORITE magazine) for Aug. 2002. http://www.meteor.co.nz/ Making thin sections is a detailed process; to do it properly one has to be sure the section is UNIFORMLY thick over the entire piece, and that the thickness remains constant. This is done by checking what is called birefringence as light passes through the polarizers and the thin slice. Different minerals will show up as different colors, and these change by rotating the polarizers relative to each other. Usually the birefringence of light through olivine grains is used to check for proper thickness in determining the proper thickness of the thin-section. The two articles, the first on how you may learn to make them yourself, and the latter on the theory behind it, should give you the necessary background to see how it all works. Ron Hartman RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: Morawski, Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. Com <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:23 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] How to cut "thin sections" Good Morning list.I am a beginning collector, and am wondering what is the technique for cutting the beautiful thin sections sometimes seen on EBay, I have a fair bit of lapidary equipment, but rather than trial and error, if there is a "proven methodology" I would appreciate it.Thanks-Mark-__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Identifying meteorites
Walter Sullivan wrote: <> Read my Introductory Meteoritics series each month in the Meteorite Times (at www.meteorite.com). I am explaining the fundamentals in small doses. Also, you may want to see the U.C.L.A. website on how to identify a meteorite at: http://www.ess.ucla.edu/research/cosmochemistry/meteorite_howto.html; also, go to http://www.saharamet.com/ to see the absolutely outstanding website designed by the Pellisons. Look at the photo gallery and particularly the reference cards that show many meteorites (both "in situ" and close-ups, and magnified sections of the many individuals they have found.) (Careful: AD following :=) I also have available some excellent books on the subject on my website (or you can buy them elsewhere, usually at higher prices!) RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: Walter Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Identifying meteorites > To List:> > I have been collecting for a couple of years, but I still do not > understand how you identify a meteorite with reasonable confidence. > There are a lot of NWAs for sale that are not particularly valuable, I > suppose, so they are not sent to the lab for definitive identification. > How can you tell this is a meteorite? Assume it is slightly magnetic, > dark, but without classic fusion crust. I am trying to educate myself > about rocks, but photos of the inside of olivine basalts look very much > like meteorites that I have seen. How would I tell the difference? > Basically, for the experts and dealers, how do you know? When is the > evidence enough to send for analysis? A tougher question is when do you > suspect a lunar or martian sample? I have researched the books (except > the new Norton which I do not have yet); I have searched the internet, > but I just can't find a satisfying answer. Aren't terrestrial rocks > sometimes slightly magnetic, also?> I really would appreciate any help anybody can give me on the subject.> > Walter Sullivan> Las Vegas> > > __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>
Re: [meteorite-list] How do you know?
Thorny wrote <<...If this is true, how can the hundreds of uncut, unclassified rocks from northwest Africa be passed off as meteorites? >> Good question Thorny: There are specific areas where, geologically, meteorites have accumulated for tens (hundreds) of thousands of years. These areas are flat and arid, and where erosion rather than deposition has occurred, and the soil chemistry is not unfavorable to their preservation. Its not that they are that easy to find, but the Berbers (native wandering tribes) cover much territory and they have been taught how to recognize possible meteorites in their travels, so in this way they are educated to know what to look for. Take, for example, the Dar al Gani (DaG) plateau in Libya. Its very flat, dry, and meteorites stand out as different from the native rocks. You still don't just "go there" and expect to pick them up. It is necessary to spend literally weeks and months searching, and covering much territory. And you need to know what to spot. This takes a practiced eye. The finds may be many miles or tens of miles apart. Meteorites (meteorwrongs) brought to researchers here by the lay public usually are not meteorites because the finders really don't know much about what to look for in recognizing them. If you go where the terrain is right, and the area is virtually unsearched, given enough hours of searching and area covered, with an experienced eye, you will find real meteorites. I can't imagine how many hundreds(?) of (native) people are hunting all over Morocco and Algeria right now. Its like a great "gold rush". With their economy, its well worth their time to be on the lookout for possible meteorites. Most people who deal in meteorites know their geology and petrology pretty well and can do well in spotting at least, the more common types of meteorites. But not all suspected meteorites turn out to be so; they still need to be classified not only to determine to be accepted as authentic but also, and JUST AS IMPORTANT, to know their chemistry and history of formation. This can only be done using the electron microprobe and petrologic microscope (and of course a trained geochemist with the experience). Hope this answers some of your questions. RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: thornysahuaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 8:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] How do you know? > Greetings to all.> I have been told that only one in one thousand rocks submitted to the> experts at the universities and other meteorite identification labs, turns> out to be an actual meteorite. If this is true, how can the hundreds of> uncut, unclassified rocks from northwest Africa be passed off as> meteorites? I'm not questioning that they all are, and I'm certainly not> doubting any of the list members who are selling them. I just would like> to know if there is some magical test. Is the Sahara, like the ice of> Antarctica, the test itself? Does any rock that sits on the sand> automaticly become a meteorite candidate because that is the only way it> could have gotten there?> I've got on my asbestos BVD's, so light the flamethrowers.> Thorny> > __> Do You Yahoo!?> HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs> http://www.hotjobs.com> > __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>
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On Monday, on a spur of the moment whim, I attached a free sample membrane suspension box offer, almost hidden, at the end of a very long post, as there was quite a thread going on about their merits. As I am the sole quantity seller of membrane boxes in the U.S., I thought it to be the responsible thing to do. Because there was so much positive response, it occurred to me that as the offer may have been overlooked by many, perhaps I should repeat it here (last time): OFFER (today only): One FREE sample (#12) 38 x 38 x 18mm micro membrane suspension box. Postpaid anywhere in the world. *(LEGAL DISCLAIMER:) Offer Expires: Wednesday, July 31 11:30 P.M. Offer refers to one (only) #12, 38 x 38 x 18 mm membrane micro box (meteorite micro not included). Offer not extended to anyone to whom I have already sold a membrane box; one box per household. Relatives not eligible. If I am swamped with more requests than I can reasonably handle, I reserve the right to (and will) end the offer prematurely and without further notice, at my discretion, by sending an e-mail to the "list". e-mails must be received by the deadline at the e-mail address below. (Guess that covers it!) Or, please go to the mb website at www.membranebox.com and browse around! Ron R. N. Hartman METEORITES, THIN-SECTIONS and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.membranebox.com Mailing address: The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITES P.O. Box 94 Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Making Micromount Meteorites
Re: [meteorite-list] Making Micromount MeteoritesMembrane boxes represent a new technology. While one-inch plastic boxes have their advantages, primarily their low cost, membrane boxes have theirs as well. First of all, the invisible membranes 'hug' the specimen so that it will not move. Even a "Bessey speck" will stay in place, although I would not recommend using one with something smaller than a grain of ordinary beach sand. If it is angular, the top of a plastic box will push the specimen into the pad, with stress on the piece. I lost a Governador Valadares Nakhlite when I opened one of those little plastic micro boxes. It had slipped into the crack between the pad and the side of the box and I wanted it to stay in the center of the pad where I could display it. When I opened the lid, the differential in air pressure caused it to leap out of the box. (MB's will do that as well as the lids fit very tightly and you need to tug a bit to get them off). I can remember seeing it in "slow motion" in a perfect parabolic trajectory right off the shelf, into the air, and down into the thick carpet three feet away. Very expensive vacuum cleaner dust! Fortunately Dean took mercy and gave me a great price break on a replacement. Membrane boxes do hold the specimen in place, with no stress, and you can turn and twist the mb and see your specimen from all sides. If I have a micro with crust and a polished side, I want to be able to see all of it. And they are very tight. (I imagine the plastic boxes are probably just as tight, except with the ones I had, the lids would jiggle off sometimes and the micros would get mixed up. We had them in a display case where hundreds of children tramped across the floor and banged around, causing everything to vibrate). By the way, labels can be put on one side. Then you can see all of your specimen as well as the label. I personally have a problem having to turn the box over to see the label. Compare the value of your meteorite to the price of the box. Compare a goat cart to an automobile! :=) All I can say is that many of my clients, once seeing how membrane boxes work, transfer entire collections to them, not just the micros, but larger pieces up to 6 x 12 inch slices. I use them exclusively for all the micros I sell. I do use Riker-type boxes sometimes, and I use membrane boxes. I see a choice for different reasons...different purposes, and everyone has their favorite. I use the traditional 2 x 2 inch plastic boxes with inserts for some of the specimens in our museum display. They stay in one place and need only be viewed from the top, and for them that is a good use and fully acceptable. The great advantage of the traditional box is that they are dirt cheap and I can well understand the need for financial restraints with meteorite collecting. It is really unreal! And I do appreciate and respect everyone to have their own preferences. And...I have a car, and if I had the zoning, I'd have a goat-cart too. Would be great fun! :=) I will be happy to send a free postpaid "sample" membrane micro box to anyone who will send me their address (for the next 24 hours!) * *(LEGAL DISCLAIMER:) Offer Expires: Tue. July 30 11:30 P.M. Offer refers to one (only) #12, 38 x 38 x 18 mm membrane micro box (meteorite micro not included). Offer not extended to anyone to whom I have already sold a membrane box; one box per household. Relatives not eligible. If I am swamped with more requests than I can reasonably handle, I reserve to (and will) end the offer prematurely and without further notice, at my discretion, by sending an e-mail to the "list". e-mails must be received by the deadline at the e-mail address below. (Guess that covers it!) Or, please go to the mb website and browse around! Ron R. N. Hartman METEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.membranebox.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE
Steve inquired: <<> Hi list. I have a problem, and I do not no what to do. I bought a> meteorite slice from WWW.METEORS.COM in Texas. That was almost 4 weeks> ago. I've called, e-mailed these people and nothing.My meteorite slice was> payed for already, but so far nothing. Could someone give me advice? The> person in charge is DUANE PENSHORE.Let me know!>> Hello Steve from Chicago, I'm going only by memory as the name sounds familiar. I believe I remember selling him two Nadiabondi slices in 1999. Since it was a telephone order it was completed off-line and is not in my computer database, and those records are filed away and too difficult to research for this. I remember that he was a student and I believe Texas was the location, if it is the same person. I think it was. That is not a common name. I have seen the Meteor website advertising premium specimens but I was not personally impressed with the offerings. When I spoke to him he seemed nice, and apparently responsible. I note that the website seems to be updated only to March, so maybe something happened. That's all I can add to this. I suggest that you contact the credit card company (or bank, as applicable) and cancel the transaction before the opportunity expires, often a month. RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] HELP PLEASE > Hi list. I have a problem, and I do not no what to do. I bought a> meteorite slice from WWW.METEORS.COM in Texas. That was almost 4 weeks> ago. I've called, e-mailed these people and nothing.My meteorite slice was> payed for already, but so far nothing. Could someone give me advice? The> person in charge is DUANE PENSHORE.Let me know!> > => Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120> I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728> The Midwest Meteorite Collector!> Collecting Meteorites since,June, 1999!!!>
[meteorite-list] (Reply to inquiry) Lake Murray Iron
Hello Steve, I am about to list 2000 g. (maybe 4000 g.) of Lake Murray Iron that we have recently cut and etched, various sizes from ~1000 g. to 23 g. (3 pcs. ~ 24 g.) These are beautiful pieces, w/the nicest ferric etch a Murray has ever seen! And the price will be right. They should be on my site by tomorrow. First choice will be by way of an announcement to my yahoo e-group list, with the web page to be publicly posted (on my website for the others) 24 hours later. Ron Hartman RonR. N. HartmanMETEORITES and MEMBRANE SUSPENSION BOXES [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.membranebox.com Mailing address:The R. N. Hartman Collection METEORITESP.O. Box 94Walnut, CA 91788-0094 (U.S.) - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject) > Hi again all. It has been a busy Saturday. Now I'm looking to see if> anyone has any Lake Murray iron meteorites forsale. Also I'm still looking> to see if anyone has back issues of Metorite magazine for sale. please let> me know on both.> > As Dean would say, cheers for now, STEVE ARNOLD!!!
Re: [meteorite-list] portales etch- a strange thing happened 2-day
Hi Harlan, Yes, that will happen. With just the right stroke, usually a short quick back-and-forth, especially with slightly wet sandpaper, around #400 - 600 grade, you will see the Widmanstatten figures. it is a quick way to check your pattern prior to acid etching. I have this happen on irons all the time. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] portales etch- a strange thing happened 2-day while vigorously hand-sanding a portales metal slice w/ #600 paper, a strange thing began to occur. upon several passes over clean dry paper, i looked to see if i had gotten rid of the old finish and a widmanstatten pattern appeared! no acid- bare hands, dry. i tried it again wet and it happened again. i noticed that the filings were actually follwing and sticking to the crystal lines. theses filings further accentuated the pattern, but could be wiped off and the pattern was less visible then. but the pattern was infact still "etched" there in the newly SANDED finish even after alcohol wipe. any ideas or other encounters of this? Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Annular eclipse from Los Angeles
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Re: [meteorite-list] portales crust
I have a slice about 1/4 inch thick. The crust is a typical stony meteorite crust but is identical over the metal phase as well. I thought this to be curious and would like to receive further comments as well. Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] portales crust wanna know more- anybady got GOOD PIX? is there a difference between big metal areas and stone? do big metal areas have a sikhote-like crust? or is it all just a mix? Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com.__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater Contest
Hello fellow meteorite lovers, I am contemplating something, I have in my posession the original Military metal detector used by Ron Hartman & Richard Norton to hunt meteorites. If there is enough interest we could do a highest offer takes it or I could do an e-bay auction. Let me know your thoughts. http://home.talkcity.com/Route66/meteorite1/detector/detector.html Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; John Gwilliam ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater Contest Hello All, While I did know the answers since Rhett gave them to all I will add that Richard Norton and Ron Hartman were the first to use modern metal detectors to search the crater. The adventure and an at the time photo can be found in Rocks from Space (as I'm sure many of you know). Hartman also I believe still has pieces from the 7lb he is holding is a photo in RFS for sale. Give Hartman credit here for not asking any premium price for the slices and endcuts. Mark - Original Message - From: Rhett Bourland Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:43 PM To: John Gwilliam; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater Contest 1. James Williams.2. Richard Norton and Ron Hartman (who met his wife after hunting there oneday if I remember correctly).3. Monahans.Rhett Bourlandwww.asteroidmodels.comwww.asteroidmodels.com/personalwww.meteoritecollectors.org-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of JohnGwilliamSent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 5:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Odessa Crater ContestAfter reading the article posted by Ron Baalke about the proposed salvagingof the Odessa Crater site, I decided to have a simple contest.I have 5 extra brochures from the Odessa Crater that I will give to thefirst five people who correctly answer the following questions.*1. Who is considered the "King of Odessa meteorite hunters?2. Two list members successfully hunted for meteorites at Odessa over 35years ago. Name them.3. The Odessa Crater is located just south of Highway 80 between the cityof Odessa and what other famous meteorite city?Good Luck!Best,John Gwilliam__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ?
In my opinion, the contours are too pristine to be a Glorietta. Glorietta has been buried a very long time, and this piece certainly doesn't look that way. Taza is very characteristic in its external appearance...the soft ridges and curves...not what one sees on a Glorietta. One could always be wrong but a quick etch of a small corner would tell the tale, but this seller needs to be aware of a potential mix-up here. (I have small Glorietta individuals and it looks very different from a small Taza.) Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Ing. Christian ANGER To: Meteorite-List@Meteoritecentral. Com Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is this GM ? Hi list ! Please have a look at http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2110132125 Is this Glorieta Mountain ? It looks like Taza for me. I never saw a small individual of Glorieta Mountain, only slices. So I am not sure about. Did anyone see small GM individuals ? Do they look like that ? Best wishes, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] dissolve tape 2
try acetone. Jim - Original Message - From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] dissolve tape 2 > Hi again, > > Typo in the last note...the little crystals are about .005 inch, not > .05. > > And we thought the Post Office was just an anthrax menace.:) > > Dave and Sarah > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Updates
Hello fellow meteorite lovers, Just a quick note to let you know that after all of my e-mail problems with the use of hotmail I have changed mail servers. If I have not replied to you in recent days it is for this reason. Please note the new e-mail addresses in my signature at the bottom. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
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[meteorite-list] WARNING VIRUS ALERT
Hello All, After becoming infected 2 days ago from a list member & losing 6 months of e-mails & other assorted data now I have received the same virus from the following address mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Below is the name of the virus & the name of the file. The strange thing is that I received it from the list address on an e-mail address that has never been used on the list. Jim James Hartman Date: 5/13/04, Time: 22:28:58, Virus scanning completed.Items scanned: C:-D: Date: 5/14/04, Time: 8:12:54, Virus scanning completed.Items scanned: C:-D: Date: 5/15/04, Time: 2:01:24, The fileC:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Winkpj.exeis infected with the W32.Klez.H@mm virus.Unable to repair this file. Date: 5/15/04, Time: 2:01:32, The fileC:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Winkpj.exewas infected with the W32.Klez.H@mm virus.The file was quarantined. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [meteorite-list] Catalog of meteorite images
Hello again, There seems to be a problem with the certificates on the Paypal site, I have spoken with them & they assure me that it is only the certificate dates & that Paypal is still secure as ever & any payments made through them are secure & will make it to me so I can ship out your CD's in a speedy manner. Jim ---Original Message--- From: Meteorite1.net Date: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 04:42:44 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Catalog of meteorite images Hello All, I received such a large response for the CD catalog of images that I have decided to produce them. It will be on a mini cd format & include 650+ images all setup on webpages categorized by fall, some are lo-resolution studies into the rust that we hate but most are high-resolution & some very close-up. If you would like a copy of this or many as some have indicated I have a Paypal button on my www.meteorite1.net website that we could use for this. The price including shipping will be $5.00, if you wish more than one copy just make the funds in multiples of $5. If you wish to order by way of snail mail please send to: James Hartman 1450 S. Perris Blvd #2 Perris, CA 92570 Jim IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[meteorite-list] Catalog of meteorite images
Hello All, I received such a large response for the CD catalog of images that I have decided to produce them. It will be on a mini cd format & include 650+ images all setup on webpages categorized by fall, some are lo-resolution studies into the rust that we hate but most are high-resolution & some very close-up. If you would like a copy of this or many as some have indicated I have a Paypal button on my www.meteorite1.net website that we could use for this. The price including shipping will be $5.00, if you wish more than one copy just make the funds in multiples of $5. If you wish to order by way of snail mail please send to: James Hartman 1450 S. Perris Blvd #2 Perris, CA 92570 Jim IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [meteorite-list] sho 'nuff is quiet
Hello all, Just a close-up pic of Taza that I thought I would share with everybody. Caution this pic is 607 kb. http://home.talkcity.com/Route66/meteorite1/tazaclose.jpg BTW, this one as well as 650+ images will be on the cd of images if I ever get it done Sincerely, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteed www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: David Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] sho 'nuff is quiet > As Pink Floyd said, "Is there anybody out there?" > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites
Title: Message Hello all, I know that I am not the rocket scientist here & this may be an oversimplified theory but I have a picture of my house & my fathers house taken from a satellite in orbit. Now I may be wrong but I kinda think that if someone is going to go to the trouble of putting millions of dollars of equipment into orbit that they would include thermal imaging as part of that inventory. Here is my thought, in the evening, at dusk when the desert floor is no longer being heated by the sun wouldn't the sand, plants & surrounding landscape cool off faster than the darker colored rocks (meteorites) with iron content? And if the meteorites did cool slower or have a higher temp because of their darker color couldn't we print out a GPS based list of these thermal hot spots? This is just an idea considering that the technology I think is there is probably classified & we could never gain access to it anyway. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: dvail To: 'Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral' Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sand Dunes and Meteorites Ok, A little more on my idea of how to search for meteorites in relatively high contrast, low noise areas like sand dunes. I realize that they won't be as easy to automatically recognize as a 10 foot diameter shinny black fusion crusted meteorite in the middle of an Antarctic ice field. However I do believe the following method will work and it would be fun! Low cost ultra miniature UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicle) sometimes called MAVs (miniature aerial vehicle) are hand launched and belly landed and have a range of about 50 miles. They can fly at an altitude of a few feet to 1000 feet. They can be either battery or liquid fuel powered (aerosol can). On board is a microcontroller, 4 mega-pixel digital camera, GPS receiver, and 5 GHz 802.11a wireless LAN Interface capable of transmitting 104 megabits per second. The wireless LAN Interface is used for video transmission, streaming real-time telemetry and remote control. Remote control can be preformed in real-time by a person operating a laptop with remote control software comprised of a video window and a 3d topo map showing the real-time GPS position of the UAV and standard aeronautical controls (graphically simulated sticks, indicators and gauges) The laptop computer is connected to an 802.11a access point with an attached pitch and rotation controlled directional high gain parabolic antenna positioned at a pre-selected strategic high ground line of site vantage point. The UAV control program running on the laptop can be configured to automatically execute a standard systematic grid search pattern or an out and back modified grid/radial pattern planed around the range characteristics of the UAV. During the execution of the search pattern the laptop records a series of overlapping snapshots stamped with GPS coordinate, UAV spatial orientation, date/time, and other pertinent information. A pixel-pattern discrimination program reviews the snapshots (Photoshop on steroids). The program allows the user to graphically select targets from a database of object photos and parametric deviation criteria. The object database contains key information on each photographed object in the database. The pixel pattern selection algorithm is adaptive and can adjust itself based on various prevailing conditions such as atmospheric, meteorological, light, shadow, time of day, spatial orientation. It selects suspects. Suspect targets are manually reviewed at high resolution. A larger, more sophisticated UAV with a steerable zoom camera can be dispatched to the GPS coordinates for a closer look at an interesting target. At that point, if things look good I think it would be ok to hop in the old dune buggy (local land use laws permitting) and have a look. This method could be refined and improved with practice to perhaps find meteorites in lower contrast higher noise areas. Dan Vail
[meteorite-list] Catalog of meteorite images
Hello all, I have been going through all of the images I have taken over the last few years of meteorites that I have restored or cut & etched. And had a thought, it would be impossible to upload all of these for you to view but I could create a website to place on a CD cataloging all of these by name. So far I have 15 pages & 400+ images, if there is enough interest I could produce these for $4-5 including shipping I will have to see what it all runs & how many people are interested. Please let me know if you are interested & any input you may have. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on cutting
Hello Jeanne, There are two people That I know of at the moment advertising work of this kind, I say advertising because there are many people dealers that prepare their own specimens. One of these people is myself & the other is Marlin Cilz. www.meteorite1.net James Hartman http://www.ttc-cmc.net/~solrjunk/malta.html Marlin Cilz Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: MuseumStore/NatureSource To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:33 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question on cutting Hi! I have a nice 27 pound Toluca, and after much angst have decided to have it cut. Can someone refer me to a reputable person who has handled this type of material before, and/or explain to me how the whole exchange works? You can email me off list, or on. I very much appreciate any feedback from whoever is willing to take the time. Regards, Jeanne Devon IMCA#9236
Re: [meteorite-list] Digital camera and meteorites
I agree! We have three Sony Cybershot DSC-S30 cameras in the family & love them! Jim H - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alexander Seidel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Digital camera and meteorites > Alexander, > I wil;l HIGHLY recommend the Sony Cybershot line. My wife and I are sellers > on Ebay...Mostly high end antiques, fine art and collectibles. I have a > DSC -S50, 18 months old, 20,177 photos taken in that time. NO battery loss, > still get 225 minute on a charge...everytime. NO loss on the memory sticks > my 8meg sticks all get 120 shots each, 4 megs get 61 shots each and I have > never filled the 32 meg completely but it is rated to about 490 or so. > > Here is the link to their page: > http://www.sonystyle.com/digitalimaging/F_CS.shtml > > The DSC-S85 is excellent mid range...The DSC-F707 is OUTSTANDING a friend of > mine has one and I am envious everytime I get to use it. > > They have a ton of add on lens and filters. The memory sticks are > interchangable with other sony products like camcorders and MP3 players. > > Check out the info I sent you. If you have a good enough connection I can > send you some photos I have taken. Only thing is that digital cameras are > alot less forgiving than film. > > Contact me off the list I will be glad to discuss them at length. > > Bright Blessings, > > Mark Miconi > > - Original Message - > From: Alexander Seidel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 2:28 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Digital camera and meteorites > > > > Hi list, > > > > with a new (secondary, Mo thru Fri) place to live for professional > > reasons and a brandnew computer, I am now looking for a good quality > > digital camera. This may sound a bit off-topic on the one hand, and I > > may beat an old horse on the other hand, as this was already discussed > > a good while ago, but actually I am thinking about photographing my > > meteorite hand-specimen collection and thin section collection (with > > the aid of my MBC-10 microscope) for the sake of documentation, > > enjoyment and last but not least transfer of one or the other Jpeg > > amongst meteorite friends. > > > > Likely opinions and/or recommendations have changed since this topic > > was discussed the last time, and high-end-cameras of two years ago may > > well be mainstream cameras right now - but surely I am no expert on > > this. > > > > My question is: what would you folks, experienced with the use of > > digital cameras along with meteorites, recommend as "a good, > > reasonably priced" camera for this purpose? It really must not be a > > high-end-high-price-product, but should work properly and yield good > > results both with and without the microscope. What about zooming down > > to details and what about resolution? > > > > Any recommendations for my potential purchase will be highly > > appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > Berlin/Germany > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall
Goodevening all, Well lets see the farthest from guess from what it actually is, a dried up mix of green & brown playdough. I have kids :-) Jim H BTW I had downloaded my mail from hotmail & not replied to some of them when my pc crashed, so if I have not replied to you e-mail again as I do not have any saved mail. - Original Message - From: Jeff K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 7:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Betting on Rob's New Moroccan Fall > Well heck; there aint much left now is there!?! Since > all the others are taken, I'll throw L5-6 into the > pile for a bit of fun! > > Waiting excitedly on the side-lines, > > Jeff K. > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ZIZ iron
Hello, The only people that I know of that have this is Simon & Ali Hmani, [EMAIL PROTECTED] & [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Simon is in Chula Vista, CA & Ali is in Oujda, Morocco. Jim - Original Message - From: "PolandMET.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] ZIZ iron > Hey > Anyone maybe have for sale some ZIZ iron ? > > [ MARCIN CIMALA]- > http://www.meteoryt.net --> Meteorite Information Center > http://www.polandmet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.studiomc.com.pl[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.vistapro.prv.pl PlusGSM +48(607) 535 195 > - > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] questions
Here is the IMCA info, sorry I can't help with your other question (it wasn't an iron) Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: MuseumStore/NatureSource To: Meteorite List Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] questions Hi All! I had someone ask me about a meteorite that perhaps originated from Mercury, or the orbit of Mercury... She couldn't remember anything more than that. Anyone have a clue? Secondly, where can I find information about the IMCA? I tried searching the archives but with no luck. Thanks! Jeannie The Nature Source, Anchorage AK www.thenaturesource.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Sawing
Rex, Are you sawing an iron meteorite by hand?? Jim - Original Message - From: wrecks463 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sawing Hello People, Can anybody give me some hints on a good way to saw up an iron meteorite? I spent 2 hours hackin away at a campo del rusto with little luck. Is a carbide tipped blade the way to go here? I noticed that it would saw good then hit a hard spot,then saw,then stop when it hit a spot that just stopped all together. I tested the rockwell hardness and it came out to less than 20 (that must of been a soft place). I figured 30 minutes per cut...Ha! Any advice would be greatly apprieciated. Thanks, Rex
Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Humor for the irreverent among us]
I love it! Jim Ps. & I bet he does too - Original Message - From: "Walter Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Bob Seiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Gayle Schreiber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Intertel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Judy Jetter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Reuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "will cavanaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Humor for the irreverent among us] > > > Subject: Humor for the irreverent among us. > > If God is all-knowing and all-perfect, he must have a > sense of humor and therefore shouldn't mind our > laughing at this. . . > > GOD'S TOTAL QUALITY MANAGEMENT QUESTIONNAIRE > > God would like to thank you for your belief and > patronage. In order to better serve your needs, He > asks that you take a few moments to answer the > following questions. Please keep in mind that your responses > will be kept completely confidential, and that you > need not disclose your name or address unless you > prefer a direct response to comments or > suggestions. > > 1. How did you find out about God? > > ___ Newspaper > > ___ Bible > > ___ Torah > > ___ Book of Mormon > > ___ Koran > > ___ Other Book > > ___ Television > > ___ Divine Inspiration > > ___ Word of mouth > > ___ Dead Sea scrolls > > ___ My mama done tol' me > > ___ Near Death Experience > > ___ Near-life experience > > ___ National Public Radio=0D > > ___ Tabloid=0D > > ___ Burning Shrubbery=0D > > ___ Who? > > ___ Other (specify): __ > > > 2. Which model God did you acquire?=0D > > ___ Yahweh > > ___ Jehovah > > ___ Allah > > ___ Just plain God > > ___ Krishna > > ___ Father, Son & Holy Ghost (Trinity Pak) > > ___ Zeus and entourage (Olympus Pak) > > ___ Odin and entourage (Valhalla Pak) > > ___ Gaia/Mother Earth/Mother Nature > > ___ None of the above; I was taken in by a false god > > 3. Did your God come to you undamaged, with all parts > in good working order and with no obvious breakage or missing attributes? > > __ Yes __ No > > If not, please describe the problems you initially > encountered here. > > Please indicate all that apply: > > ___ Not eternal > > ___ Not omniscient > > ___ Not omnipotent > > ___ Finite in space/Does not occupy or inhabit the > entire universe > > ___ Permits sex outside of marriage > > ___ Prohibits sex outside of marriage > > ___ Makes mistakes (Geraldo Rivera, Jesse Helms) > > ___ When beseeched, doesn't stay beseeched > > ___ Requires burnt offerings > > ___ Requires virgin sacrifices > > ___ Plays dice with the universe > > 4. What factors were relevant in your decision to > acquire a God? > Please check all that apply. > > ___ Indoctrinated by parents > > ___ Needed a reason to live > > ___ Indoctrinated by society > > ___ Needed target for rage > > ___ Imaginary friend grew up > > ___ Hate to think for self > > ___ Wanted to meet girls/boys > > ___ Fear of death > > ___ To piss off parents > > ___ Needed a day away from work > > ___ Enjoy organ music > > ___ Needed focus on whom to despise > > ___ Needed to feel morally superior > > ___ Graduated from the tooth fairy > > ___ My shrubbery caught fire and told me to do it > > 5. Are you currently using any other source of > inspiration in addition to God? Please check all that apply. > > __ Self-help books > > __ Tarot, Astrology > > __ Star Trek re-runs > > __ Fortune cookies > > __ Ann Landers > > __ Psychic Friends Network > > __ Dianetics > > __ Playboy and/or Playgirl > > __ Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll > > __ Biorhythms > > __ EST > > __ Television > > __ Mantras > > __ Jimmy Swaggart > > __ Crystals (not including Crystal Gayle) > > __ Human Sacrifice > > __ Wandering around in desert > > __ Burning shrubbery > > __ Other:_ > > 6. Have you ever worshiped a false God before? Is so, > which false God > were you fooled by? Please check all that apply. > > ___ Odin > > ___ Cthulhu > > ___ Lottery > > ___ Baal > > ___ Beelzebub > > ___ The Almighty Dollar > > ___ The Conservative Right > > ___ Mick Jagger > > ___ Bill Gates > > ___ The Great Pumpkin > > ___ Ronald Reagan > > ___ A burning cabbage > > ___ mushrooms > > ___ Other: > > 7. God employs a limited degree of Divine > Intervention to preserve the > balanced level of felt presence and blind faith. Which > would you prefer > > (circle one) > > a. More Divine Intervention > > b. Less Divine Intervention > > c. Current level of Divine In! tervention is just > right > > d. Don't know - what's Divine Intervention? > > 8. God also attempts to maintain a balanced level of > disasters and > miracles. > > Please rate on a scale of 1 to 5 God's handling of the > following: > > (1 unsatisfactory, 5 excellent) > > Disaster: > > 1 2 3 4 5 flood > > 1 2 3 4 5 famine > > 1 2 3 4 5 earthquake > > 1 2 3 4 5 war > > 1 2 3 4 5 pestilence > > 1 2 3 4 5 plague > > 1 2 3 4 5 AOL > >
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[meteorite-list] Fw: Question on Carver
- Original Message - From: meteorite1.net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 10:39 PM Subject: Question on Carver Hello list, Does anyone have a smallish slice of Carver for sale. Jim
[meteorite-list] Carver
Re: [meteorite-list] Melting meteorite iron?
Hello Jeff, Yes you are correct, if you melt down Gibeon or any other Iron meteorite the Widmanstatten pattern that was formed from long term cooling will be destroyed. You will be left with a nickel-iron alloy depending on what the smelter or blacksmith adds to the mix, any silicate inclusions & or schribertsite will be lost in the melted slag skimmed off of the top or settling to the bottom. Yes it would still polish to a high luster no matter which meteorite you chose to use Sincerely, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteed www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: "Jeff K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 11:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Melting meteorite iron? > G'day List, > > I'm commissioning a ring to be made out of meteoric > material and just have a few queries about melting > down meteorites and the effect on the metal. I'm sure > there are plenty of people reading this that can offer > some valuable advice. > > I would presume that if you were to melt-down Gibeon, > then the structure of the metal would change and it > would no longer be possible to yeild the Widmanstatten > pattern. Is this correct? > > However; what about the melting of Chinga? If this > meteorite is melted, would it still polish to its same > beautiful mirrored finish? > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. (This is > my second post on this topic but the first did not > work. My apologies if they both come through!) > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Misc items for sale
Hello again, WOW due to overwhealming response I went to update the page & found that it had exceeded the alotted bandwidth, so I have updated the page & moved it to another server. The misc stuff for sale page can now be found here http://home.talkcity.com/Route66/meteorite1/misc/miscsale.html & from my website as well www.meteorite1.net Jim - Original Message - From: meteorite1.net To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 9:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Misc items for sale Hello list members, Just a note to let you know about a misc for sale page that I have on the net, http://www27.brinkster.com/meteorite1/misc/miscsale.html also available from my home page www.meteorite1.net , minerals, fossil fish, petri dishes & more to come. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
[meteorite-list] Misc items for sale
Hello list members, Just a note to let you know about a misc for sale page that I have on the net, http://www27.brinkster.com/meteorite1/misc/miscsale.html also available from my home page www.meteorite1.net , minerals, fossil fish, petri dishes & more to come. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
Re: [meteorite-list] 85 AD -2002 AD
Hi Rick, I believe that it is 0.003175 of a second to travel 9.525 mm or 3/8 inch. Jim BTW it is 186,000 miles or 300,000 meters per second The speed of light in vacuum is exactly 299,792,458 m/s (metres per second) - Original Message - From: "Rick Nowak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 85 AD -2002 AD > The asteroid belt to my knowledge is 168,000,000 > million miles away from the Earth. If the average > speed of the meteoroid coming out of the belt where 10 > mph that would mean in 24 hours it traveled 240 miles > one week 1680 miles one year 87600 miles. In 100 years > 876 miles To do 168,000,000 miles would take about > 1917 years. So If I found a meteorite in 2002 the > meteoroid had to start it's journey in 85 A.D. (if > using AD - Anno Domini is to heavy for this list let > me know) I wanted to present this write up as a sales > pitch to the general public. Is this on or off track?? > > > Here is another one that crossed my mind. If light > travels 18600 miles per second. How long will it > take in TIME for light to travel 3/8 of an inch??? > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen
Boy how rude I am, CONGRATULATIONS on your new acquisition! Jim - Original Message - From: meteorite1.net To: Mark Miconi ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen Hello Mark & list, Membrane boxes in many sizes are available from Ron Hartman at www.meteorite1.org Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Specimen I just purchased a 1.5g slice of Allende for my personal collection. I can not wait to have it arrive. It is not a big piece but it is another named and classified sample for my small collection. I know this has been asked before ...where can I get a membrane box for it? I think this would be the best way to display it due to its size...or lack there of. Thanks in advance...Mark M.
Re: [meteorite-list] New Specimen
Hello Mark & list, Membrane boxes in many sizes are available from Ron Hartman at www.meteorite1.org Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Specimen I just purchased a 1.5g slice of Allende for my personal collection. I can not wait to have it arrive. It is not a big piece but it is another named and classified sample for my small collection. I know this has been asked before ...where can I get a membrane box for it? I think this would be the best way to display it due to its size...or lack there of. Thanks in advance...Mark M.
Re: [meteorite-list] New York Times Correction
Hello list members, I do not want to upset anyone here but I am confused on this Willamette issue. "The American Museum of Natural History bought it in 1906." I assume from the Indians. "Two years ago, after the opening of the museum's Rose Center, the tribes demanded that the meteorite be returned." I assume that would make it 1999 or 2000, 93 years later. Ok the Indian tribes sell the meteorite, not have it taken from them but they sell it. 93 years later they demand it be returned. Wouldn't the fact that they sold it release them from any claim to it, be it legal, moral or ethical. Would this be the real life definition of "Indian giver". Sorry but it does not make sense to me Jim - Original Message - From: "Ron Baalke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New York Times Correction > > > > > > There is a short article in The New York Times that reviews the recent > > Willamette meteorite saga. > > > > In the article it refers to the Macovich Collection as the largest private > > collection of meteorites in the world. > > > > Of course, this is not accurate, and upon seeing the story on NYTIMES.COM a > > short while ago, I immediately advised the reporter/writer of the same. > > (While the Macovich Collection is the preeminent collection of aesthetic > > irons, there are several private collections that are much larger in overall > > scope...value...etc.) > > > > Here is that article: > > http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0213sacredstone-ON.html > > Uproar over a sacred Oregon meteorite > New York Times > February 13, 2002 > > When the American Museum of Natural History opened its gleaming new > planetarium two years ago, it gave its highest place of honor to the > Willamette meteorite, the pitted, 15.5-ton boulder that fell to Earth more > than 10 millennia ago. > > But unknown to most of its admirers - or until recently to the Oregon tribe > that considers it sacred - the meteorite has a flat spot at the top, created > by museum curators in 1998 when they cut off a 28-pound chunk and traded it > to a private collector for half an ounce of Mars. > > On Sunday, the collector, Darryl Pitt of New York City, sold a 6-inch, > 3.4-ounce slice off that chunk for $11,000 at an auction. A second, smaller > piece of a meteorite he obtained in a trade with the Natural History Museum > in London a couple of months ago sold for $3,300. > > "This is not anything that is unusual," said Pitt, whose Macovich Collection > is the largest private collection of meteorites in the world. > > But the auction dismayed descendants of the Clackamas Indians of Oregon who > regard the meteorite as a spiritual union of earth, sky and water. > > "Would someone want to auction off a crucifix, one of the holy statues out > of the Catholic Church or something like that?" asked Kathryn Harrison, > former chairwoman of the Confederated Tribes of Grand Ronde, which includes > the Clackamas. > > The Oregonian, the state's largest newspaper, took up the cause, accusing > the American museum in an editorial on Saturday of showing "disgraceful > stewardship" of the meteorite. "If we had our way, it would be heading back > on the next westbound freight train," the newspaper said. > > Dr. David Wheeler, a chiropractic physician in West Linn, Ore., who bought > the smaller thumbnail-size piece that weighs a third of an ounce, said he > wanted to discuss with the tribal members how he might share his new > purchase with them. > > "I did it, because I wanted to bring a small part of the meteor back to > Oregon," Wheeler said. "I may end up donating it to them." > > Matt Morgan, a meteorite trader in Colorado who runs the Internet site Mile > High Meteorites, bought the larger piece "because it's a historic American > meteorite and one which I don't have," he said. "It's one of the things you > always read about in the books." > > Morgan said he and two other investors would cut that piece into six or > seven smaller pieces, keeping some for themselves and selling the others. > "We'd like to recoup some of the investment we made," he said. > > The Willamette meteorite, the largest meteorite ever found in the United > States, is believed to have originally landed in Canada, and then was pushed > by glaciers to Oregon's Willamette Valley thousands of years ago. The > American Museum of Natural History bought it in 1906. > > Two years ago, after the opening of the museum's Rose Center, the tribes > demanded that the meteorite be returned. > > The tribes and the museum settled their dispute with an agreement in which > the meteorite remains in New York and tribal members can conduct a private > ceremony once a year at the center. > > But dozens of pieces of the Willamette meteorite were removed over the years > and scattered to institutions around the world. > > Meteorite collectors trade pieces of space rock the w
[meteorite-list] Tucson pics are up
Hello all, The pictures of Tucson 2002 are up & can be viewed from my home page www.meteorite1.net . Enjoy Jim
[meteorite-list] Very strange Campo question
Hello list members, I am looking for a "old" rusty campo to use for testing, as it will most likely be subjected to many destructive treatments in the hope of advancing rust treatment procedures, price is more important than beauty. Donations always accepted. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
[meteorite-list] Tucson, pictures etc.
Hello all, I just came in the door, wow 385 e-mails. Please give me a day or so to reply to those of you e-mailing me directly. I went sort of camera happy in Tucson, I will get a site up for those of you that were not able to go this year, that should be up tomorrow as well. The big seller & great bargain at Michael's auction @ $4750.00 was a 300+ gram Pena Blanca Springs slice, absolutely beautiful! I am going to lay down & die for a while. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
Re: [meteorite-list] Brahin
How stable is Brahin? It needs lots of care to be happy. What is the best way to stabilize it? See my site under process Does it take an etch? Oh yes, very pretty! Does anyone have an image of an etched specimen? Yes I do. www.meteorite1.net Sincerely, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteed www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: "Steve Witt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 12:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Brahin > > > Greetings List, > >The recent Brahin glut on e-bay has brought some questions to > mind. How stable is Brahin? What is the best way to stabilize it? > Does it take an etch? Does anyone have an image of an etched > specimen? > Any input would be greatly appreciated. > >thanx, >Steve > > = > Steve Witt > IMCA #9020 > > http://www.meteoritecollectors.org > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Violation of # 7
Which #7 do you refer to in the subject line? Jim - Original Message - From: "Rick Nowak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 8:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Violation of # 7 > Back up statements with proof and facts-The Bible. > Their are about billion people who do not believe in > the "Evolution Religion" the manifesto of the > commmunists. When you say a meteorite is 8 billion > years old we do not except it. Alot of people think a > meteorite started life on Earth. We do not accept it. > Alot of people see the universe as madness rather it > is a grand design with laws done by a Creator. God > created the heavens and their glory that means > meteorites to. Everytime I see one I think of him. > Keith is upset at me? Why don't you get upset over > drug dealers rapists and child abusers instead. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! > http://auctions.yahoo.com > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Advise
Dear Michael & all, The only thing that I like about Mohamed is his enthusiasm, I would like to see his focus redirected to education instead of exercise wandering around collecting every rock he sees. > Do you still spend 3 hours "discussing the bible" with everyone who > knocks > on your door to sell you HIS/HER interpretation of God? No I tell them to come back when they have scientific evidence & then point to the "no soliciters" sign as I close the door. > Do you all still talk for 20 minutes to unwanted phone solicitors? I thought that was what answering machines were for, screening out the worthless. Jim - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "meteorite1.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 2:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Advise > Dear Jim and all, > I have enjoyed some of the posts to our residential "believer:" Mr. > Mohamed. I appreciated the gentle caring responses many of the list > extended to him - INITIALLY. > HOWEVER, what I find MORE amazing than Mr. Mohamed's unyielding > stubbornbelief that he is right and everyone else is wrong is that there > are so many list members willing to continue to invest sincere effort > in attempting to provide assistance in the form of information, > referrals, > etc. I find this as irrational as Mr. Mohamed, himself, as though he had > not CLEARLY indicated, over and over and over, a total unwillingness to > apply logic to this situation. What is it y'all don't get??? > Do you all still talk for 20 minutes to unwanted phone solicitors? > Do you still spend 3 hours "discussing the bible" with everyone who > knocks > on your door to sell you HIS/HER interpretation of God? When asked a > question - by ANYONE - do you feel compelled to answer it? > Amazing. > On the other hand, I did enjoy "Mr. Mohamed's Nieborhood." > (I also still suspect it MAY be Michael Casper with some email relay > getting all you good hearted people to dance like puppets while he > laughs > hysterically in his NY home! - Haven't any of you been called by Michael > with an Italian accent posing as a rich Italian collector and wanting > to > buy meteorites from you? His accent is impecable.) > I can hardly wait until tomorow (Sun) so I can spend 3 hrs trying to > convince a bible thumping creationist who knocks on my door that just > perhaps his view of reality might possibly be in errorbut then > again, > maybe not. > More TV shows, that's what we need. Ya, that's the ticket > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Advise for the enthusiastic
Hello Mohamed & list members, Although I am all for helping to promote meteoritics, looking at pictures of terrestrial rocks is not a favorite pastime of mine unless I know what it is specifically so as to expand my personal knowledge base. My suggestion is for you to review some of the wonderful resources available to you from the internet or your local library or your ISP which is http://www.britishlibrary.net . I will offer some other resources, both on the IMCA site www.meteoritecollectors.org as well as on my site www.meteorite1.net on the "links" pages there are some great sites with meteoritic information & educational content, please view this not as criticism but as help for to become better educated in a field that you have so much interest. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org
Re: [meteorite-list] California
Yep we did it is 33 as I type Jim - Original Message - From: "Meteordealer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] California > The weather is unusual right now. The average temperature here in Ky. > should be in the 30's. It's about 65 right now. I think we must have swapped > weather. > > Brad Sampson > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.angelfire.com/me2/meteorites > > - Original Message - > From: "meteorite1.net" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:09 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] California > > > > Hello List, > > > > You know the one about a snowballs chance in hell, well I am in > > Perris,California near March AFB & it is snowing. > > > > Jim > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] California
Hello List, You know the one about a snowballs chance in hell, well I am in Perris,California near March AFB & it is snowing. Jim __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] knock knock
Just the label! - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam To: Michael Cottingham ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] knock knock So Michaelis there anything left of that gallon bottle of Jack Daniels?;-)JohnAt 04:47 PM 1/25/02 -0700, Michael Cottingham wrote: Knock! Knock! Who is there? Knock A La ! Knock A La, Who? Knock A La .. you know.the talking dog that washit by a piece ofmars! Knock A La (spelled Nakhla in dog writting) Knock A La ? Were you really hit by a meteorite? Knock A La says... Yes! Where is the stone now? Knock A La . I ate it! Knock A La ? Yes ? Who is buried in Grants tomb? Knock A La says ... I don't know! OR Knock! Knock! Who is there? Knock A La! Knock A La, Who? Knock A La ..fella around someand maybe you willbelieve! OR Ha Ha Ha Ha John Gwilliam Meteorites PO Box 26854 Tempe AZ 85285http://www.meteoriteimpact.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Subject: Money
OH ok now I see, MC is a meteorite/coin dealing turtle racing evangelist who eats expensive minerals & shares them with animals...this could explain many things, or not. Sincerely,Jim James Hartman[EMAIL PROTECTED]www.meteorite1.net[EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteedwww.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: Michael Casper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:13 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Subject: Money Subject: MoneyMoney. It can buy a Bed But not Sleep It can buy a Clock But not Time It can buy you a Book But not Knowledge It can buy you a Position But not Respect It can buy you Medicine But not Health It can buy you Blood But not Life It can buy you Sex But not Love So you see money isn't everything. And it often causes pain and suffering. I tell you all this because I am your Friend, and as your Friend I want to take away your pain and suffering So send me all your money and I will suffer for you. Cash is fine. xoxox, MC
Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper
Since Murchison is an "upper" what do you use to relax them? Powdered Chinga as a "downer" & iron supplement? Sincerely, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] (for IMCA member contact) Authenticity Guaranteed www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: "Michael Casper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper > Rhett, "Because why?"!!! > > OK! I'll tell you why! First I'll have to apologize to Michael Cottingham > because he introduced me to eating Murchison several years ago and > I promised I wouldn't tell. Sorry Mike. I feed my turtles a diet of .1% > Murchison Meteorite every day and a double dose on Friday. They run, > jump and play lots more than your average turtle! They follow instructions > better > and I found them to run at least 3.7 times faster than your average turtle! > They've been winning race after race! Now do you see the pertinence > Rhett?? > > > xoxoxox, MC > > > - Original Message - > From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:45 PM > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper > > > > Because why? > > > > Rhett Bourland > > www.asteroidmodels.com > > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Michael Casper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:44 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper > > > > > > Because. > > > > xox, MC > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: Rhett Bourland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: Michael Casper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:29 PM > > Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper > > > > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the METEORITEcentral list? Why > are > > > you telling us about turtles? > > > > > > Rhett Bourland > > > www.asteroidmodels.com > > > www.asteroidmodels.com/personal > > > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael > > > Casper > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:46 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Casper > > > > > > > > > For IMMEDIATE PRESS RELEASE > > > by I. M. Good > > > Ithaca, NY > > > 23 Jan 2002 > > > > > > "Meteorite Dealer goes to the races" > > > > > > Meteorite dealer and legend (in his own mind) Michael Casper > > > will be attennding The 2002 Tucson Rock, Gem and Mineral Show in > > > "Spirit". It appears that there is an "over-abundance" of new material, > > > another 100 - 200 new dealers (over last years 100 -200 newbies) and > > > a decline in collectors. Prices have fallen in meteorite material so > > > drastically that they make the fall in tech stocks seem mild. Michael's > > > newest endeavor is Turtle Racing! He is now a breeder of a champion > > > bloodline of "Evil Bluebelly Terror Turtles" the fastest turtle the > world > > > has > > > ever known! Good luck Mike! > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: suspected meteorite
Hello Mohamed, Just a guess here but this might be what it will look like inside, most of your pictures do no load so I am not able to compare. http://home.talkcity.com/Route66/meteorite1/rock/rock.html Sincerly, Jim James Hartman [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.meteorite1.net www.meteoritecollectors.org - Original Message - From: "M Yousef" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 7:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: suspected meteorite > Dear Sirs; > > Please help me to identify this importannt meteorite. > Information and pictures in the following site: > > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/index.html > > Sincerely > > Mohamed H Yousef > --- > > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-71 56648 > ___ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Fw: [meteorite-list] Tucson Dealers List 2002
> Hello all, > > I hope to see many of you I know there and to meet those I do not. > > Jim > James Hartman > www.meteorite1.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > www.meteoritecollectors.org > > - Original Message - > From: "capricorn89" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "David Hardy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Dealers List 2002 > > > > Hi David (and list), > > > > Jim and I will be at Howard Johnson's 22nd st and I-10, but only long > enough > > to sleep. We will be moving around and we'll have plenty of membrane > boxes > > with us to offer, especially the little micro ones; these can be seen on > my > > new membrane box website which should be up on www.meteorite1.org (I've > > just pointed the site to this domain so I hope it works.) > > > > We shall be there Friday for Michael Blood's auction (arriving very late > > Thursday night) , leaving the following Tuesday. > > > > Best wishes in the new year, > > > > Ron Hartman > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: David Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: meteorite list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 5:07 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson Dealers List 2002 > > > > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > > > It's time to get the 2002 Tucson dealer's list started. This is the > final > > list > > > from last year. If you know of any changes, let me know. > > > > > > Hope everyone has a blast, unfortunately I cannot make it this time. > > > > > > > > > David Hardy > > > > > > > > > Tucson Dealers List > > > > > > Notkin/Arnold Birthday Party > > > > > > Auction M. Blood @ Tucson Jr. Chamber of Commerce Bldg. on E. Ft. Lowell > > > > > > Auction The Macovich COllection InnSuites > > > Inn Suites > > > > > > 105 Eduardo & Oscar / Meteorites.com > > > 122 Marvin Killgore/ SW Meteorite > > > 162 Jensen Meteorites > > > 162 Mike Cottingham > > > 182 Bruno & Carine > > > 309 Meteorites, Minerals, and Fossils > > > 316 Labenne Meteorites > > > 404 Darryl Pitt (Macovich Collection) > > > 404 Steve Schoner > > > > > > > > > > > > Ramada Inn University > > > > > > 110 Blaine Reed > > > 110 Mike Martinez/ MARE Meteorites > > > 112 Meteorites and Pure Metals > > > > > > Best Western Executive Inn > > > > > > 130Allan Lang > > > 130Cosmic Matter > > > 234Meteorite Caravan > > > 246Larrylan > > > 268Chinese Meteorites and Tektites > > > Ballroom Erich and Sylvia > > > > > > > > > Four Points Hotel > > > > > > 117 Erich and Sylvia > > > 128 The Carions > > > Booth 7&8 Magic Mountain > > > Main Ent. Tent #7 Paul Liu (Great Wall) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tucson Convention Center > > > > > > S-5Mineralogical Research Co. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moving Around > > > > > > Matt Morgan cell # 303 229-8462 > > > Jim Strope mostly Blaine Reed's room > > > Mike Farmer cell # 520 360-0818 > > > Michael Cottingham > > > Rob Elliot > > > Dean Bessey > > > Eric Olson (ELKK) > > > Anne Black (Impactika) usually w/ the Carions > > > Fred Hall > > > John Sinclair > > > John Gwilliam > > > Jake Delgaudio usually with Al Lang > > > Steve Arnold cell #918 740-3300 > > > Dirk Ross > > > John Gwilliam > > > Greg Frazier > > > Steve Smith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > > Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - > > > http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-71 > > 56648 > > > ___ > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - > http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-71 > 56648 > > ___ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
