[meteorite-list] Hal Povenmire has left us.

[Norm Lehrman via Meteorite-list]

Everyone,

We just got word that Hal Povenmire passed away last week atage 80.  Hal was 
the undisputed authorityon Georgia tektites and author of many related books.  
He was discoverer of the Upsilon PegasidMeteor Shower.  He is honored by 
thenaming of asteroids “(12753) Povenmire” and “(15146) HalPov”.  But this is 
not meant to be an obituary;rather it is a message to his many, many friends 
that my good friend has leftus and we will be the poorer.  His wifeKatie 
survives him at their home in Florida.

Norm & Cookie Lehrman

Tektitesource.com

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[meteorite-list] AD: New Atacamaite impact glass now on the Tektitesource website

[Norm Lehrman via Meteorite-list]

All,

I've finally acquired a small assortment of Atacamaites, probably the smallest 
splashform impact glass known.  They are posted on our website together with 
the artwork that they inspired.  Have a look.  This is really interesting new 
material, and as far as I know, this is the first time it's been offered for 
sale. I have only 22 pieces, so act quickly if interested.  

I am considering getting the painting printed up on canvas.  Let me know if you 
might be interested in purchasing a print.

See the new material at http://www.tektitesource.com/

Cheers,
Norm Lehrman

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Re: [meteorite-list] outrageous Muong Nong tektite layering

[Norm Lehrman]

Phil,
That is certainly an exceptional stunner.  I can't recall ever seeing its 
equal.  Nice!

While on the topic of Muong Nongs, here's an interesting one:  A distinctly 
flight-modified Muong Nong, something I have never seen nor heard of!
http://tektitesource.com/A%20splashform%20Muong%20Nong!.htm


Please do let me know if any of you are aware of anything like this.

Cheers,
Norm Lehrman
TektiteSource.com

From: Phil Morgan 
To: Meteorite List  
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 8:58 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] outrageous Muong Nong tektite layering


For those fellow tektite aficionados out there, I thought I'd share a
couple of pictures of a muong nong specimen that I just received.  It
has some of the best layering and overall shape that I personally have
ever seen (but I don't get to Tucson or Thailand).

here is a link to the album

http://s25.photobucket.com/user/pkmorgan/library/tektite%20-%20muong%20nong

anyone have anything similar?

observations welcome.

Best Regards,
Phil
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Ivory Coast tektites and Locenice moldavites added to website

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

We scored seven of Alain Carion's Ivory Coast tektites.  If you didn't make it 
to Tucson, here's your chance of a lifetime.  We also picked up a fine 
selection of Locenice moldavites that rival Besednice for sheer beauty.  Check 
out our new pages at www. tektitesource.com.  Lots more good stuff to follow 
soon!

Cheers,
Norm & Cookie
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Re: [meteorite-list] SHATTERCONES in TATAHOUINE

[Norm Lehrman]

Paul, Jim, and All,

Interesting how paths of interest converge from time to time

I have had a long fascination with Tat horsetails.  I mentioned this in a note 
to the list on the occasion of Tatahouine's 80th anniversary of arrival   (Sun, 
Jun 26, 2011: 

Subject: [meteorite-list] 80th Anniversary of the arrival of a Green Alien from 
Space!).

My fantasy has been that these are shattercones from the impact on 
Vesta---perhaps the only shattercones we have from someplace other than earth.

Cheers,
Norm
www.tektitesource.com




- Original Message 
From: James Tobin 
To: Paul Gessler 
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, March 6, 2013 6:46:40 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SHATTERCONES in TATAHOUINE

Hi Paul and List,
We were discussing this in Tucson with Norm Lehrman at the IMCA dinner. I have 
taken some pictures as well that will be in my Jim's Fragments article coming 
out in a couple days in Meteorite Times. The shattercones are visible in larger 
pieces with the naked eye and are a fascinating feature. You are correct also 
about the orientation of the cones it seems that they are arranged in several 
different and intermixed ways. I took some high resolution photographs and have 
included two in the article which we hope everyone will enjoy. We are pretty 
excited about this too. Hope to see more information about what this records of 
the powerful event which drove Tatahoine from its parent body. Jim Tobin



- Original Message 
From: Paul Gessler 
To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, March 6, 2013 1:45:23 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] SHATTERCONES in TATAHOUINE

I had a chance to cherry pick some larger sized Tatahouine nuggets from Alan 
Carion at the Tucson show
and have noticed what appear to be shattercones on many of the facets? On every 
side that is fractured
there are these chevron shaped interlaced lamellae/ flaring 
striationshowever they don't seem to have just
one apex of orientation. On one surface I can see a cluster leading to the top 
as an apex point only to be met with
one splitting the others going the opposite direction and also creating a small 
platform.
It does make sense to me that Tathouine would exhibit this given its broken 
safety glass terminal deployment.
I think the largest piece found was the size of a small grapefruit and if you 
tapped it with a hammer it would
shatter into the smaller chunks we see more commonly.

I guess what I am saying is that this mass in space must have been a heavily 
fractured structure and subject
to multiple impact incidents followed by annealing then more impacts leaving 
over time heat and pressure
multi directional percussion striation. In essence shattercones.

Does anyone else see this? Any write ups on it that you are aware of? Got any 
examples in your collections
that show what I am talking about?

Let me here your thoughts please.
I am stuck in an endless winter with plenty of time to ponder such things.

I am aware that they may just be the natural clevage lines of the various 
minerals within.. but then why don't I
see this anywhere near as dramatic in other meteorites?

It would be neat to think of Tathouine as not just a unique Dioginite but also 
as some kind of relict impactite from
the crust of another asteroid. ???

You can see some pictures here that I took through my microscope at 25x


https://plus.google.com/photos/107261840007598315830/albums/5852125796528297633

Thanks-
Paul Gessler 
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Lots of TektiteSource updates posted

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

We're still working through the Tucson backlog, but we've posted a bunch of 
inventory updates and new pages.  Besednices, LDG, Henbury scoria, Zhamanshin 
glass, Philippinites, Arizonaites, and heaps more coming daily.  We have some 
great new Sikhote  and Taza bullets still to post, kilos of NWA individuals, 
some nicely oriented, and hundreds of new Australasian tektites in progress.  
Have a look and return often for the pick of the litter.  The cream is skimmed 
early!   www.tektitesource.com  New changes are flagged near the top in the 
"website news" section.

Thanks,
Norm
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[meteorite-list] Need help with a Tucson mystery rock

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

We're back from Tucson and busy going through the hoard.  I found a couple of 
surprises in the 2 kgs of little NWA individuals we cherry-picked.  Please have 
a look and see if my thumbprinted, glossy piece of basalt strikes you as 
something that fell from the sky--- or not.

http://tektitesource.com/mystery%20rock%202013.htm


There's also a very sweet little pebble with nice shock melt veins visible from 
the outside---

Cheers,
Norm
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Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open market?

[Norm Lehrman]

Thomas, Mendy and all,

If it was listed under "coprolite" or any variation of the same, I would be 
equally offended.  It should be listed under "rock" (allthough I don't disagree 
with the sentiment behind the  "coprolite" label. "Guano" would also work).  
There's also an Apollo lunar listed that should create quite a stir if you have 
$1.5 million to spare.  I don't even want to talk about the tektite lies and 
absurdities that are there every day. Ebay is an absolute tsunami of 
misinformation.  In one cynical way, it is good for the legitimate market.  If 
enough people get burned (and realize it---), it should bring business to those 
that offer honesty and integrity along with their specimensl  Sadly, most 
buyers 
don't have the background to know they are being ripped off.  I would like to 
help, but what can one do?  Occassionally a seller offers thanks for a 
correction, but most are quite content with their fraud  Buyer beware!

Norm
www.tektitesource.com



- Original Message 
From: Thomas Webb 
To: Mendy Ouzillou 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, January 18, 2013 9:00:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open market?

How about 'coprolite' :>)

--- On Fri, 1/18/13, Mendy Ouzillou  wrote:

> From: Mendy Ouzillou 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open market?
> To: "Shawn Alan" 
> Cc: "Meteorite Central" , "Norm Lehrman" 
>
> Date: Friday, January 18, 2013, 11:51 PM
> That listing should have been put
> under "croprolite".
> 
> Mendy Ouzillou
> 
> On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Shawn Alan 
> wrote:
> 
> Norm
> 
> HAHAHAHAHAHA too fun, I wish It was that cheap to by some
> Black Beauty :)
> 
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> ebay store
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
> http://meteoritefalls.com/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Norm Lehrman 
> To: Shawn Alan ;
> abdelfattah gharrad 
> 
> Cc: Meteorite Central 
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open
> market?
> 
> Shawn, why wait for Tucson? It's already on Fleabay, and
> remarkably cheap!
> 
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Beauty-Martian-meteorite-very-rare-/130833898794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e764edd2a
>a
> 
> 
> This has become the dumping grounds for the absurd. 
> How sad!
> 
> Norm
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Shawn Alan 
> To: abdelfattah gharrad 
> Cc: Meteorite Central 
> Sent: Fri, January 18, 2013 7:38:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open
> market?
> 
> Hello Abdelfattah
> 
> This post got by me, do you think
> there will be any Black Beauty for 
> sale at Tuscon?
> 
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> ebay store
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
> http://meteoritefalls.com/
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: abdelfattah gharrad 
> To: Michael Farmer ;
> Shawn Alan 
> Cc: Meteorite Central 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open
> market?
> 
> 
> 
> cause of specific criteria
> Abdelfattah.
> 
> 
> 
> De : Michael Farmer 
> À : Shawn Alan 
> 
> Cc : Meteorite Central 
> 
> Envoyé le : Mardi 8 janvier 2013 3h59
> Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open
> market?
> 
> It is nice, but I don't see why it would be much more
> valuable than say Nakhla 
> or Shergotty.
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jan 7, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Shawn Alan 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Listers
> > 
> > I was wondering, will this meteorite ever be sold on
> the open market or has it 
> 
> > be donated to science already because of its rarity?
> And if so, what would be 
> > the
> > value? I mean in science terms, this find could have a
> few billion $ value or 
> > more cause 
> > 
> > that is how much it would cost to build a rover that
> could bring back a sample 
> > like
> > black beauty from Mars
> > 
> > Shawn Alan
> > ebay store
> > http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
> > __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open market?

[Norm Lehrman]

Shawn, why wait for Tucson? It's already on Fleabay, and remarkably cheap!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-Beauty-Martian-meteorite-very-rare-/130833898794?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e764edd2a


This has become the dumping grounds for the absurd.  How sad!

Norm

- Original Message 
From: Shawn Alan 
To: abdelfattah gharrad 
Cc: Meteorite Central 
Sent: Fri, January 18, 2013 7:38:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open market?

Hello Abdelfattah
 
This post got by me, do you think
there will be any Black Beauty for 
sale at Tuscon?
 
Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store
http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
http://meteoritefalls.com/


- Original Message -
From: abdelfattah gharrad 
To: Michael Farmer ; Shawn Alan 
Cc: Meteorite Central 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open market?



cause of specific criteria
Abdelfattah.



De : Michael Farmer 
À : Shawn Alan  
Cc : Meteorite Central  
Envoyé le : Mardi 8 janvier 2013 3h59
Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] Black Beauty on the open market?

It is nice, but I don't see why it would be much more valuable than say Nakhla 
or Shergotty.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 7, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Shawn Alan  wrote:

> Hello Listers
> 
> I was wondering, will this meteorite ever be sold on the open market or has 
> it 

> be donated to science already because of its rarity? And if so, what would be 
>the
> value? I mean in science terms, this find could have a few billion $ value or 
>more cause 
>
> that is how much it would cost to build a rover that could bring back a 
> sample 
>like
> black beauty from Mars
> 
> Shawn Alan
> ebay store
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Breaking news Meteor near Spokane WA!

[Norm Lehrman]

Here's a link to local news:  

http://www.khq.com/story/20562952/what-was-that-bright-light-in-the-sky


 
- Original Message 
From: Norm Lehrman 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, January 11, 2013 10:17:00 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Breaking news Meteor near Spokane WA!

List,

Dozens of reports are coming in regarding an extremely loud bang, bright light, 
and visible fragmentation about 6:30 this morning.  Observers say it passed 
over 

Spokane NW to SE and the thunder followed the fireball about 30 seconds 
later. My wife and dog were started by the sound at our location about 15 miles 
west of Spokane.   It sounds like the prime ground is likely to be in Idaho 
south of Couer d'Alene.  Things are pretty snowy here, but that is potentially 
in wheat country with lots of big fields---

Norm 
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[meteorite-list] Breaking news Meteor near Spokane WA!

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

Dozens of reports are coming in regarding an extremely loud bang, bright light, 
and visible fragmentation about 6:30 this morning.  Observers say it passed 
over 
Spokane NW to SE and the thunder followed the fireball about 30 seconds 
later. My wife and dog were started by the sound at our location about 15 miles 
west of Spokane.   It sounds like the prime ground is likely to be in Idaho 
south of Couer d'Alene.  Things are pretty snowy here, but that is potentially 
in wheat country with lots of big fields---

Norm 
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[meteorite-list] AD: Major update to TektiteSource Bediasite page

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

I have finally finished adding remarkable new Bediasites to our site, some of 
them truly world-class.  Also be sure to check out the Javanite page.

Cheers,
Norm
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Re: [meteorite-list] Glass from the desert.

[Norm Lehrman]

Aleksandr,

I have spent time in Navoi, Uzbekistan, and have a specimen of that (or very 
similar) glass.  Mine came from a site near Daugistau.  There is an interesting 
story that goes with it.  During the 1960s there was a rash of reported UFO 
sightings in that region.  During that period, some children came to the leader 
of the Daugistau geological expedition and said they had seen a strange 
aircraft 
land in the desert.  Beings got out, collected some rocks, then took off.  The 
geologist accompanied the children to the site and found an elliptical patch of 
glass like yours about 50 or 60 meters in length.  At one end, the glass was up 
to 15 cm thick and tapered to a ratty feather-edge at the other end.  Beyond 
that were blobs and spatters of glass for some distance.  The investigating 
scientists looked into the possibility of lightning strikes or military-related 
explanations, but were never satisfied with any firm conclusion.  The material 
compares directly with Trinitite A-bomb glass (but the site is too small).  
Fixed rocket-engine tests have produced similar glass in US test facilities.  
It 
is also very similar to Ediowie glass from central Australia (where a very 
radical mirror-matter bolide impact with an annihilation-energy flash has been 
suggested, but not widely accepted).

Is your glass from the Daugistau site?

Cheers,
Norm
(www.tektitesource.com)



- Original Message 
From: A.V.Leonenko 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, November 26, 2012 5:37:29 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Glass from the desert.


Hi all! 
I found a glass rock in the desert of Uzbekistan. Similar to the volcanic 
pumice, but we have no volcanoes. I ask all who are interested to see and 
comment on the findings: 

http://www.meteoritics.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=733 
Thank you in advance for your answers!

(Paste this link into Google translator from Russian to English) 

Yours faithfully.
Aleksandr.
Navoi сity.
Uzbekistan.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Sneak Peek to - "The Black Phoenix"...

[Norm Lehrman]

Adam/Michael,

For sure.  Truly, remarkably black.

Norm



- Original Message 
From: Michael Blood 
To: John Lutzon 
Cc: Meteorite List 
Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 7:02:17 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sneak Peek to - "The Black Phoenix"...

Yep,
        Still workssolid BLACK.
        Michael


On 11/20/12 6:49 PM, "John Lutzon"  wrote:

> Try again Mike.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Michael Blood" 
> To: "Met. Greg Hupe" ; "Meteorite List"
> 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sneak Peek to - "The Black Phoenix"...
> 
> 
> Dude,
>        All I get is a BLACK  page...?
>        Michael
> 
> 
> On 11/20/12 6:19 PM, "Met. Greg Hupe"  wrote:
> 
>> Hey All,
>> 
>> I have been very busy lately and many folks have been asking what the heck
>> I
>> have been up to with, 'The Black Phoenix'. This is the only hint I can
>> share
>> at this moment! Hope you enjoy the 'Sneak Preview'... ;-)
>> 
>> http://www.lunarrock.com/TheBlackPhoenix/TheBlackPhoenix.jpg
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Greg
>> 
>> 
>> Greg Hupé
>> The Hupé Collection
>> gmh...@centurylink.net
>> www.LunarRock.com
>> NaturesVault (eBay & Facebook)
>> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
>> IMCA 3163
>> 
>> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
>> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

[Norm Lehrman]

Greg & all,

Whew!  That is really bad news.  I was beginning to think Jenniskens was a good 
guy. 

What would his Sutter's Mill database look like if we eliminated all but the 
academics?  Rogue private meteorite hunters made it happen.  So sad.

Jenniskens, if you are reading this, let's hear your defense.  We all 
understand 
misquotes.  Is this one?  I surely hope so.  If not, your stock just went to 
zero.

Cheers,
Norm 



- Original Message 
From: Greg Hupé 
To: Robert Verish ; Jodie Reynolds 

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, November 2, 2012 7:57:09 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI 
Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds)

Bob,

I respect your 'protected' stance on this subject, however when you say this 
was 
a, "missed opportunity [for outreach]...", was in fact part of Jennisken's 
grand 
plan as quoted in the article and stated by the 'private citizen' getting the 
'free ride' on "The Blimp". I will quote here for one's direct assessment...

"Jenniskens invited Rivera to join him and another scientist on the airship 
ride 
over Novato and parts of unincorporated Sonoma County, following the trajectory 
of the Oct. 17 fireball. Rivera said he took an oath not to tell what they saw 
for fear that rogue meteorite hunters — eager to sell galactic collectibles on 
eBay — might pounce on new potential meteorite locations and rob scientists' 
ability to research more rocks."

I personally take issue with his entire paragraph! It insults the dedication 
from us, "rogue [private] meteorite hunters", actual meteorite scientists and 
the average enthusiast at large! What a slap in the face from an media-hungry 
astrologer to make against us who have committed our lives to the world of real 
meteorite recovery, science and sharing through the expansion of actual 
knowledge to the entire world! We, as private citizens, have donated more to 
the 
study and knowledge of meteoritics than anyone really knows. Most contributions 
are made by private individuals who donate because they can and want to without 
the hype or the huge mug shot photo opp!!

It scares me to think that an individual who is not even knowledgeable about 
the 
most simplistic aspects of a meteorite is out there representing our national 
treasure, NASA! What a let down if this rogue astrologer is allowed to continue 
his personal slime campaign against the private sector!! Shame, shame!!

Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupé
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-Original Message- From: Robert Verish
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:41 PM
To: Greg Hupé ; Jodie Reynolds
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: missed opportunity (was, Re: NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer 
Funds)

Hello All,

Given that it was a "free ride", I think Petrus missed an obvious outreach 
opportunity.  BEFORE the airship took off, he should have submitted articles to 
the Sonoma County newspapers soliciting the local residents to look for black 
space-rocks in their yards and driveways.  Mention could have been made in 
advance that an airship would be incorporated in the search effort. Would make 
an interesting article for the local papers.  The airship flying over Sonoma 
would have been free advertising for meteorite recovery.
We've done a good job of saturating the media in Marin County, but nothing 
directed towards Sonoma residents.
We need to stretch the strewn-field into Sonoma County and we're going to need 
a 
lot of cooperation from the residents.
Bob V.

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Jodie Reynolds  wrote:

> From: Jodie Reynolds 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SETI Misappropriation of Tax Payer Funds
> To: "Greg Hupé" 
> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 3:05 PM
> Hello Greg and List!
> 
> It was my understanding that the airship rides were
> contributed.  Is
> there reliable information that they're plunking down
> NASA-dollars
> for that?  Because I agree - that'd be pretty
> criminal.
> 
> Believe me, no one could possibly be any crankier about
> misappropriation of tax-payer dollars than I!  I just
> want to make
> sure we string up the "right ones".
> 
> 
> --- Jodie
> 
> Friday, November 2, 2012, 1:10:15 PM, you wrote:
> 
> > To All Concerned US Tax Payers...
> 
> > I have been troubled by what is a clear
> misappropriation of US tax payer
> > funds by NASA/SETI. At a time of this country's
> financial crisis, this is no
> > time to squander our tax dollars!!
> 
> > We have all seen and read about 'The Blimp" that was,
> as stated in the
> > article link below, "... a NASA-hired airship." Not
> only are they using a
> > privately owned "Blimp" for frivolous and far-fetched
> 'research', but they
> >

Re: [meteorite-list] Off Topic - Novato California Strewn field / Meteorite Zombies

[Norm Lehrman]

Sonny & all,

I've had some experience with trail cams.  What you did is unethical.  I see 
the 
signs of baiting in that guy's eyes.  You sprinkled  unclassified NWA dust in 
front of the camera.  That ain't right.  That poor bugger was caught by unfair 
chase.  


None-the-less, it's only right to sedate him.  Go ahead with the tranquilizer 
darts.  It's only right now that the damage is done.

Nomr



- Original Message 
From: "wahlpe...@aol.com" 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thu, November 1, 2012 7:41:24 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Off Topic - Novato California Strewn field / 
Meteorite 
Zombies

Hi List,

I just returned from Novato, California where I had a chance to do an 
investigation on Meteorite Zombies. I was able to catch a few pictures on my 
hidden trail cams placed around the Novato area. Here is the Link.

Sonny

http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/2.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

[Norm Lehrman]

a study site, 
nobody 
can disturb anything.  Fuel wood permit, etc. etc.  My permit doesn't exclude 
limitless others from trying their luck, even if I spend $thou$and$ for the 
right to hunt an area.
 
If this is based on long-standing policies, why are there so many unanswered 
questions?
 
These are some of the basic reasons it bothers me.  There are others, but I've 
gone too long already.
 
Best wishes to you and all readers,

Mark
 
 


From: Norm Lehrman 
To: Jim Wooddell ; Meteorite List 
 

Sent: Monday, October 1, 2012 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

Jim & all,

Commercial users always had to have permits.  Permits always took their 
time. This is not new  Rockhounders were always prohibited from commercial 
endeavors.  This is not new.  Meteorite hunters were lumped in with 
rockhounders 

until now. The only real change that I can see is the change in poundage 
limits---a major change for sure, but how many of us have had years where the 
10 

pound limit would've been a problem?  It can happen, but quite rarely.  I have 
recovered hundreds of meteorite (fragments) in Nevada, but nowhere near 10 
pounds per year.  Probably the main point of all this is that we are now under 
scrutiny and attracting explicit personalized regulation where before we were 
pretty much under the radar.  However, the "new" explicit meteorite regulations 
are mostly not new, but rather, a formal restatement of long-standing policies 
governing rockhounding on BLM-managed lands.

Norm



- Original Message 
From: Jim Wooddell 
To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Mon, October 1, 2012 4:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

Hello Norm,

I beleive that was 25 pounds a day, now 10 pounds a year.

Science and Commerical users now require permits.  Casual hunters not
allowed to sell.  Hmmm.  Permit processes can take 185 days.
I'd say that's significant.

Jim


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Count Deiro  wrote:
> Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will 
>look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next 
>highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant 
>from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball. 
>What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take 
>this citation!
>
> Guido
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Norm Lehrman 
>>Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM
>>To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
>>
>>All,
>>
>>I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS
>>something I don't understand.  Meteorite collecting has previously fallen 
under
>>the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a
>>specific policy that is no great change from the past rules.  I am quite sure 
I
>>will be hugey chastised for my ignorance.  Please correct me if I missed
>>something.
>>
>>The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or  one rock.  Now it's 10 pounds and no
>>provision for the big one with respect to meteorites.  How often will that
>>actually afect us?  Almost never.  The use of motorized vehicles off marked
>>roads is also a general policy, not just for us.  Metal detectors are 
>explicitly
>>allowed.  Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine.
>>
>>Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline.
>>Find a monster?  It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should 
get
>>some benefit.  This is no change.  If you want to harvest building stones or
>>ornamental boulders, you pay a fee.  We will too.  No real change.
>>
>>I see no great disaster here.  Just a formalization of a specific policy, 
>thanks
>>(?)  to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms.  Of course they had 
>to
>>get explicit.  It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the
>>rules we were all subject to before now.  Or did no one understand this?  Yes,
>>they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be 
>amazed
>>if this involves changes in the law.  Just enforcement of those already 
extant.
>>At worst with fairly minor changes.
>>
>>Have at it.  I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly.  What am I missing?
>>
>>Best,
>>Norm (http://www.tektitesource.com/)
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Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

[Norm Lehrman]

Jim & all,

Commercial users always had to have permits.  Permits always took their 
time. This is not new  Rockhounders were always prohibited from commercial 
endeavors.  This is not new.  Meteorite hunters were lumped in with 
rockhounders 
until now. The only real change that I can see is the change in poundage 
limits---a major change for sure, but how many of us have had years where the 
10 
pound limit would've been a problem?  It can happen, but quite rarely.  I have 
recovered hundreds of meteorite (fragments) in Nevada, but nowhere near 10 
pounds per year.  Probably the main point of all this is that we are now under 
scrutiny and attracting explicit personalized regulation where before we were 
pretty much under the radar.  However, the "new" explicit meteorite regulations 
are mostly not new, but rather, a formal restatement of long-standing policies 
governing rockhounding on BLM-managed lands.

Norm



- Original Message 
From: Jim Wooddell 
To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Mon, October 1, 2012 4:38:39 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

Hello Norm,

I beleive that was 25 pounds a day, now 10 pounds a year.

Science and Commerical users now require permits.  Casual hunters not
allowed to sell.  Hmmm.  Permit processes can take 185 days.
I'd say that's significant.

Jim


On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Count Deiro  wrote:
> Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will 
>look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next 
>highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant 
>from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball. 
>What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take 
>this citation!
>
> Guido
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Norm Lehrman 
>>Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM
>>To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
>>
>>All,
>>
>>I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS
>>something I don't understand.  Meteorite collecting has previously fallen 
under
>>the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a
>>specific policy that is no great change from the past rules.  I am quite sure 
I
>>will be hugey chastised for my ignorance.  Please correct me if I missed
>>something.
>>
>>The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or  one rock.  Now it's 10 pounds and no
>>provision for the big one with respect to meteorites.  How often will that
>>actually afect us?  Almost never.  The use of motorized vehicles off marked
>>roads is also a general policy, not just for us.  Metal detectors are 
>explicitly
>>allowed.  Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine.
>>
>>Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline.
>>Find a monster?  It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should 
get
>>some benefit.  This is no change.  If you want to harvest building stones or
>>ornamental boulders, you pay a fee.  We will too.  No real change.
>>
>>I see no great disaster here.  Just a formalization of a specific policy, 
>thanks
>>(?)  to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms.  Of course they had 
>to
>>get explicit.  It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the
>>rules we were all subject to before now.  Or did no one understand this?  Yes,
>>they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be 
>amazed
>>if this involves changes in the law.  Just enforcement of those already 
extant.
>>At worst with fairly minor changes.
>>
>>Have at it.  I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly.  What am I missing?
>>
>>Best,
>>Norm (www.tektitesource.com)
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Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

[Norm Lehrman]

Guido,

Please read it again.  All I said is that the new regs make minimal changes on 
past law.  I don't doubt that the BLM will be looking for opportunities to make 
their point.  But the policy states virtually nothing new other than the more 
restrictive poundage limitation.  Everything else restates old policy.

Norm



- Original Message 
From: Count Deiro 
To: Norm Lehrman ; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, September 30, 2012 10:17:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

Sorry Norm. Your take on the BLM being some kind of begnign overseer who will 
look the other way couldn't be farther from the truth. Just wait till the next 
highly publicized fall amd someone admits to picking up something significant 
from public land. The BLM will be all over him/her like white on a golf ball. 
What! No permit? Didn't know this land was restricted? Gimme that! Here! Take 
this citation!

Guido

-Original Message-----
>From: Norm Lehrman 
>Sent: Sep 30, 2012 8:17 PM
>To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
>
>All,
>
>I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS 
>something I don't understand.  Meteorite collecting has previously fallen 
>under 

>the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a 
>specific policy that is no great change from the past rules.  I am quite sure 
>I 

>will be hugey chastised for my ignorance.  Please correct me if I missed 
>something.
>
>The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or  one rock.  Now it's 10 pounds and no 
>provision for the big one with respect to meteorites.  How often will that 
>actually afect us?  Almost never.  The use of motorized vehicles off marked 
>roads is also a general policy, not just for us.  Metal detectors are 
>explicitly 
>
>allowed.  Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine.
>
>Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing 
>guideline.  

>Find a monster?  It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should 
>get 

>some benefit.  This is no change.  If you want to harvest building stones or 
>ornamental boulders, you pay a fee.  We will too.  No real change.
>
>I see no great disaster here.  Just a formalization of a specific policy, 
>thanks 
>
>(?)  to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms.  Of course they had 
>to 
>
>get explicit.  It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the 
>rules we were all subject to before now.  Or did no one understand this?  Yes, 
>they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be 
>amazed 
>
>if this involves changes in the law.  Just enforcement of those already 
>extant.  
>
>At worst with fairly minor changes.
>
>Have at it.  I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly.  What am I missing?
>
>Best,
>Norm (www.tektitesource.com) 
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[meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS 
something I don't understand.  Meteorite collecting has previously fallen under 
the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a 
specific policy that is no great change from the past rules.  I am quite sure I 
will be hugey chastised for my ignorance.  Please correct me if I missed 
something.

The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or  one rock.  Now it's 10 pounds and no 
provision for the big one with respect to meteorites.  How often will that 
actually afect us?  Almost never.  The use of motorized vehicles off marked 
roads is also a general policy, not just for us.  Metal detectors are 
explicitly 
allowed.  Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine.

Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline.  
Find a monster?  It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should get 
some benefit.  This is no change.  If you want to harvest building stones or 
ornamental boulders, you pay a fee.  We will too.  No real change.

I see no great disaster here.  Just a formalization of a specific policy, 
thanks 
(?)  to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms.  Of course they had 
to 
get explicit.  It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the 
rules we were all subject to before now.  Or did no one understand this?  Yes, 
they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be 
amazed 
if this involves changes in the law.  Just enforcement of those already 
extant.  
At worst with fairly minor changes.

Have at it.  I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly.  What am I missing?

Best,
Norm (www.tektitesource.com) 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell (+) (also, question about Futrell Collection)

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

I just attempted to email the individual who acquired the Futrell 
estate tektite 
collection on behalf of a new museum, but the email I have no longer works.  
The 
museum is apparently still under development and doesn't seem to have a website 
as yet, but it will be located in the 34 mile-diameter Charlevoix, Quebec 
impact 
structure located about 105 km N of Quebec City. A summary inventory listing of 
the  specimens in this collection is stll posted on our website.  Futrell's 
tektite/meteorite library and files also went with the estate collection.

While he was yet living, Futrell  sold/donated a substantial collection of 
important pieces to the Corning Museum of Glass.

Hardly any of the estate collection had the painted labels that Paul correctly 
tabulated below.  Possibly this was due to a progression to almost total 
blindness in his final years.  I have often imagined him holding and exploring 
his final remaining much-loved pieces by touch---

Cheers,
Norm
www.TektiteSource.com



- Original Message 
From: Paul Harris 
To: MikeG ; meteorite-list 

Sent: Mon, August 13, 2012 5:32:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell (+) (also, question about Futrell 
Collection)

Hi Mike and List,

Yes those are Futrell specimens.  Darryl did not number all of his 
specimens.

FA = Australite
FB = Bediasites
FC = Moldavites
FD = Darwin Glass
FG = Georgites
FH = Hainan
FJ = Javanites
FIT = Thailand Splash Form
FL = Laos
FM = Malaysia
FO = Cambodian
FP =  Phillippinite
FR = Ivory Coast
FT = Thailand Muong Nong
FTT = Billitonites
FU = Brunei
FV = Vietnam
FY = Libyan Desert Glass
FZ = Zhamanshinite and Irghizite

To learn a little more about Darryl please see the following page.
http://www.meteorite.com/Darryl_Futrell/index.htm

Thanks,

Paul



On 8/13/2012 2:52 PM, MikeG wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
> I received a lot of replies regarding the tektites with painted
> labels.  I think both are Futrell pieces.  I uploaded some photos to
> Photobucket.  Links are below.  First specimen is a Philippinite and
> the second is a Muong Nong.
>
> Philippinite (27g) -
> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/fp160.jpg
>
> Philippinite - 
>http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/fp-160-2.jpg
>
> Muong Nong (161g) -
> http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/ft-649.jpg
>
> Muong Nong - 
>http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/ft-649-2.jpg
>
> Muong Nong - 
>http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/ft-649-3.jpg
>
> Best regards,
>
> MikeG
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT: For the Geologists and Math Wizards!

[Norm Lehrman]

Jim,
This is square in the middle of my life as a gold exploration geo.  There is no 
fancy creative math involved with this one.  Carefully determined the volume of 
the rock.  If the matrix is primarily quartz, multiply the volume in cc by 2.65 
gm/cc to find what the rock "should" weigh without gold, giving you a baseline 
weight for the unmineralized rock.  Any additional weight is an approximation 
of 
the gold (+silver) content.  This obviously involves a couple of 
approximations.  If there is anything other than quartz present in the matrix 
(calcite or clays or FeOx for example), the baseline specific gravity 
assumption 
will have to be adjusted.  See the tektite specific gravity page on our website 
(tektitesource.com) for procedures for determination of  S.G.

Cheers,
Norm


- Original Message 
From: Jim Wooddell 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sat, April 14, 2012 8:27:59 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: For the Geologists and Math Wizards!

Hi Doug and all!

Thanks for the answers.

My thought was, prior to posting the questions here, that you could not have a 
calculation that would result in a density less than the less dense material, 
if 
the formula was correct where you have known densities of two specific minerals.
To add to that here, with melting or morphing or whatever, I contend you could 
not have a calculation that would result in a lower density than any of the 
known densities of any known minerals or mixtures there of.  However, if there 
are unknowns, then I do see where is it very possible where it would totally 
hose the results.
I stated that in another forum and then thought about it for a while and 
thought, "Oh Shxx, I had better ask people way more knowledgeable than I".
I put the OT in the subject line cause it may or may not relate to 
meteoritesI just knew some great minds are on this list.
Specifically, I have a 65g rock with a lot of gold in it.  While trying to 
determine the percentage of gold in it, this particular rock is breaking all 
the 
rules of engagement...to the point I am about ready to take a hammer to it and 
simply do it the old fashion way with mercuryexcept I don't have any 
mercury!  That would be the part that is totally off topic for this 
list...except I found the gold when meteorite hunting!  Using some of these wiz 
bang gold formulas (found on gold forums) I am coming up with negative numbers 
and one with minus 130% gold!  I do not know how on earth I could be off by 
that 
amount using any of the areas known minerals or combinations of. Driving me 
nuts!  It is such an awesome specimen, I hate to take a hammer to it...but two 
days of number crunching and testing is not "panning" out.

Jim



- Original Message - From: "MexicoDoug" 
To: ; 
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: For the Geologists and Math Wizards!


> Jim,
> 
> In a practical sense, this is quite possible since there are more 
>possibilities, where your question could be taken as too ambiguous. Specifics 
>- 
>what are you really after?  I'm thinking if this relates to meteorites you 
>might 
>have some concretions in mind as well, or perhaps melting and there are rarely 
>"just" two minerals present in nature.  When I mixed the concrete to fill the 
>hole in the driveway, the hydration (a chemical modification) causes a 
>structural change as well which contributes to a volume change, and it was 
>certainly more slurry than the sum of the cement and sand, to adjust for the 
>water.  Some hydrations are reversible and others aren't.  In nature for the 
>organized mind, things usually go to hell in a handbasket since it is usually 
>an 
>open, complex system where everything and then some goes.
> 
> If you like math, some engineers probably are very concerned about shrinkage 
> or 
>expansion of concretions for the times we drive over bridges, etc:
> 
> maybe this gives further insight, I googled blindly:
>http://www.byg.dtu.dk/upload/institutter/byg/nyheder/trb-06-1571-as%20submitted%20final.pdf
>f
> 
> If two minerals are melted together, it is quite possible they will form a 
> new 
>crystal or amorphous structure, perhaps not even a clear chemical 
>modification, 
>but rather just reordering on a molecular scale that don't result in voids, 
>but 
>do result in a new density without adding gases, etc. I guess it might be a 
>new 
>mineral, but I'm not sure I know the precise definition of a rock or mineral 
>so 
>I'd think of it this way.
> 
> Kindest wishes
> Doug
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Peterson 
> To: meteorite-list 
> Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2012 2:08 am
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: For the Geologists and Math Wizards!
> 
> 
> If the two combine as some sort of conglomerate (like a breccia), and
> the combination doesn't result in voids, then the bulk density can't be
> lower than the density of the lowest density material. But if the two
> combine chemically, resu

Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: New Dakhleh Glass website page

[Norm Lehrman]

List, Sorry for the repeat message, but a number of viewers had problems with 
my 
Dakhleh glass page wall-paper. It may have been Firefox engine users only.  
Whatever the case, I killed the wallpaper.
If you couldn't read my general write up, please try again.  It should work 
now---

Thanks,
Norm
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- Original Message 
From: Norm Lehrman 
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 4:49:20 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: New Dakhleh Glass website page

All,

In a continuing quest to get caught up with the Tektite Source website after 
our 

multiple-year absence, I have just completed a completely new Dakhleh Glass 
page 

with a decent write-up, references, and a nice selection of specimens.  Please 
have a look.  There's quite a fun story of a possible massive airburst with 
humans on hand for the event.  Enjoy.

Thanks,
Norm
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Re: [meteorite-list] HupDes' find Chromites?

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

We shouldn't miss the really big picture here.  Congratulatiuons to all 
involved 
for a truly positive article.  Collectors/dealers have a symbiotic relationship 
with academics/scientists!  We on this list understand that, but this may be 
the 
first journalist in history to get it right.  Generally we are selfish 
blood-sucking leeches that deprive the scientific community of crucial research 
material while driving prices out of the reach of all legitimate institutions.  
Too often they ignore the fact that a specimen of every single classified 
meteorite is now,  without charge, in the hands of the classifying institution 
for further research .  


My immediate reaction was to send the author an email expressing huge 
satisfaction in the accuracy and balanced perspective of the article (which I 
did).  I can't recall seeing anything close to this.  Way to go Adam and Greg!  
True ambassadors of our community.

Norm
www.tektitesource.com



- Original Message 
From: Adam Hupe 
To: Adam 
Sent: Mon, March 19, 2012 7:09:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HupDes' find Chromites?

The misspelling doesn't bother me much.

I only wish that Dr. Scott Kuehner had been mentioned because he is the 
Micro-probe operator and research scientist who always makes his laboratory and 
skills available to us at the University of Washington. He is an intricate part 
of the team!  He is one of the very important, highly-skilled, background team 
players that makes things happen.

Kind Regards,


Adam HupDes'

The HupDes' Collection





From: Mike Groetz 
To: Meteorite List  
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:30 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] HupDes' find Chromites?

I feel bad for Adam and Greg. Wouldn't have been a bad article if the
reporter had his spellings right.
Mike

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/03/19/go-to-meteorite-guy-reveals-out-this-world-finds/

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[meteorite-list] Ad: New Dakhleh Glass website page

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

In a continuing quest to get caught up with the Tektite Source website after 
our 
multiple-year absence, I have just completed a completely new Dakhleh Glass 
page 
with a decent write-up, references, and a nice selection of specimens.  Please 
have a look.  There's quite a fun story of a possible massive airburst with 
humans on hand for the event.  Enjoy.

Thanks,
Norm
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[meteorite-list] Ad: TektiteSource website updated with lots more coming---

[Norm Lehrman]

Listoids,

At the beginning of the year I retired from my exploration geology job and came 
home from Africa.  We've been reorganizing our inventory and working our way 
through a massive update of the Tektite Source website (www.TektiteSource.com) 
and have posted hundreds of new specimens---fabulous Besednice Moldavites, 
Bikolite soccerballs, top-shelf Libyan Desert Glass, and more---

I'll be at the catch-up job for weeks to come, but I wanted to give the list 
first shot at the new material.  Check in and stop back often.  The changes 
will 
continue on a near-daily basis.

It's good to be home, but my new boss (me) is a bit of a slave-driver!  I think 
we'll eventually come to terms if the bugger will show a bit of basic 
humanity.  
Good website traffic may help him to understand that I am doing something.  I 
think both of us may be a bit schizoid to tell the truth---but that's hardly 
anything new for him (an opinion which I share as well!).

Cheers,
Norm Lehrman
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Re: [meteorite-list] fractal clusters of shallow rimless craters on lava plateaus -- result of ice comet fragment air and surface bursts? very common in Great Basin from Oregon to California: Rich Mur

[Norm Lehrman]

Yes, these are very common in dry areas where ranchers must construct stock 
ponds.

Regards,
Norm



- Original Message 
From: Rich Murray 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; michael barron ; 
Rich Murray ; Rich Murray ; Dennis 
Cox 

Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 9:26:21 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] fractal clusters of shallow rimless craters on lava 
plateaus -- result of ice comet fragment air and surface bursts? very common in 
Great Basin from Oregon to California: Rich Murray 2011.07.10

fractal clusters of shallow rimless craters on lava plateaus -- result
of ice comet fragment air and surface bursts? very common in Great
Basin from Oregon to California: Rich Murray 2011.07.10

I readily found much more in 3 hours with Google Earth and Maps --
here are just two clusters -- may be evidence for fractal clusters of
air and surface
bursts of many ice comet fragments from typical gradual disruption of
a parent comet in solar orbit.

41.661806  -119.086891  2.014 km el,
a shallow rimless crater, .6X.4 km,
16 m lower than 2.030 km plateau to S --
seems to be a lava surface,
with a number of similar craters.

fractal field of impacts on lava plateau,
one crater, about .6 km wide NW-SE
43.363764  -120.186009  1.443 km el low,
23 m lower than 1.666 km edge to NE,
white and dark minerals on bottom,
N and E inner rim is darker.

The region is very interesting...
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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut

[Norm Lehrman]

List,
This is getting totally out of hand.  Did any of you catch this press release?
“NASA officials are demanding the return of the mission shoulder patch that 
Bruce Willis sent back to Billy Bob Thornton in the 1998 film Armageddon.  
While 
acknowledging that this was just a film, NASA claims the shoulder patch is 
never-the-less a national treasure, and the actor that saved all mankind from 
certain destruction by an earth-smashing asteroid had no right to salvage and 
transfer ownership of the mission patch.  “Although fictional, this mission is 
seen by many as a likely future event, and as such, all of the memorabilia from 
the film is being recovered and safeguarded for the day when they become sacred 
objects associated with the prophecy of NASA’s brightest moment” claimed inside 
sources who asked to keep their identities confidential. “Insofar as they used 
the NASA insignia, we have been advised to assert ownership now rather than 
after the portrayed event has taken place". "   (source publication not 
disclosed)
 
What next?
Norm



- Original Message 
From: Martin Altmann 
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 4:17:37 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut

Indeed it is not so much a legal question, it is a question of decency.

Seems that a new generation was bred by NASA.
How disrespectful and ungrateful can you still be for that by all means truly 
heroic deeds the astronauts did for NASA and the nation, to molest them now at 
their old-age with such a petty and greedy idiocy!

I think, it's a question of reason and saving the face of that governmental 
spaceflight organization to remove these shameless rugrats, who had that 
brilliant idea, immediately from their jobs.

NASA was scrooge enough to them with their Moon rocks.

Meteorite people are different...
Look, here Mitchell receives a piece of Moon via Tim Heitz:
http://www.meteorman.org/Ed-Mitchell.htm


Best,
Martin



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von MexicoDoug
Gesendet: Montag, 4. Juli 2011 09:31
An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] NASA sues Moonwalker Astronaut

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/90053154?U.S.%20government%20sues%20former%20astronaut%20over%20lunar%20camera#ixzz1R7PMDp3p


Dear list,

This is a very relevant case to meteorites and should not be taken 
lightly.

They're at it again ... rewriting history and after 40 years of NASA's 
permission to take mementos from the Apollo era - now suing the sixth 
man to walk on the moon, Edgar Mitchell of Apollo 11, for trying to 
sell the camera they allowed him to have ... the precedent, I suspect 
is the identical one to the dust on the tape, which didn't exist, but 
they are gunning for now.

Again, we are faced with the erosion of sensible property rights, a 
violation of traditional English and Roman law regarding the importance 
of possession IMO, in an effort to legislation effort from the bench at 
its finest (sarcasm). The question at hand: Can we apply today's 
standards retroactively to say NASA was wrong to allow astronauts to 
have things that were of no use to NASA at the time and with the full 
knowledge of NASA allowed to be kept by those involved. After 40 years 
of knowledge that the astronaut possessed this camera and other sundry 
things, it becomes a precedent, and NASA is even painting an American 
hero with a scarlet letter of "T" for "Thief"

From the article:

"During the Apollo mission era, Mitchell said he and other astronauts 
got permission to take mementos from the spacecrafts. "We have dozens 
of pieces. All of us who flew to the moon," he said in a Palm Beach 
Post report.

Mitchell’s lawyer, Donald Jacobson, said, "Objects from the lunar trips 
to the moon were ultimately mounted and then presented to the 
astronauts as a gift after they had helped NASA on a mission."

The government is asking the court to order Mitchell to hand over the 
camera, and declare that it has "good, clean and exclusive title" to 
the piece of space history.


Best wishes
Doug
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Re: [meteorite-list] XRF Test results UNWA First try

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

I work with a hand-held Niton XRF on a regular basis, and they are amazing 
machines if one recognizes their proper applications and limitations.  The 
first 
limitation is that they can't measure anything lighter than sodium (or more 
realistically, sulfur) unless you buy a super expensive helium-purged unit.  
The 
light elements present their own set of problems even then.  For example, a 
significant part of the signal return would be from the air, not the sample, 
unless you undertake the measurements in a vacuum.    However, the inability to 
measure the light elements has a few benefits.  You can measure directly 
through 
low molecular weight substances, so plastic bags or surface coatings are no 
problem.

Detection limits vary from element to element and sample to sample depending on 
spectral interference from other elements present.  One must always consider 
results in light of the detection limit, which is reported for every reading.  
It is common to see results like "5ppm +/- 150ppm" (in which case the 5 ppm is 
utterly meaningless), so an analytical report that doesn't include the 
detection 
limits can be entirely misleading. (The unit allows one to configure the 
reporting format such that detection limits are included).  Some elements, such 
as gold, can only be resolved from interfering wavelengths at high 
concentrations, so the machine becomes quite useless when dealing with more 
typical ppb concentrations of gold.

So, some of the elemental ratios of the lighter rock-forming elements that are 
often cited in chondrite classifications are not going to be measured with a 
portable XRF.  For the heavier elements like iron and nickel, it is pure 
magic.  
The machine can be set to automatically average multiple readings so that 
inhomogeneities in the sample are averaged.  When working with flat slabs, you 
can even "paint" the sample window back and forth while the reading is in 
progress to get better representations of the average composition.  The units 
come from the factory able to directly recognize a range of industrial metal 
alloys.  You could quite certainly develop your own standards so that the 
read-out could actually be "campo" or "sikhote" rather than a list of elements!

The bottom line is that, like every tool, one must understand what it can and 
cannot do.  Then work with the strengths and avoid the weaknesses.

The last unit my employers purchased a few months ago was priced at $29,900 
plus 
another $2300 for a portable analytical chamber (in which you can get good 
readings on a medium-sand-sized particle).  The operating costs are virtually 
nil, but the x-ray tube does have a finite life (around 10,000 measurements), 
after which the unit must be returned to the factory for a replacement tube (I 
haven't had to replace one yet, but I think the cost is in the $10,000 range).  
There are licensing requirements that vary from state to state and country to 
country.

Cheers,
Norm
www.tektitesource.com

 


- Original Message 
From: Jim Wooddell 
To: Meteorite List 
Sent: Fri, July 1, 2011 2:00:36 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] XRF Test results UNWA First try

Hello Count

The one we are playing with now is a Niton XL3t.  It's about $30k but
don't quote me on that.  Google Niton XRF and you'll find it.
A few people have responded and we are going to see if we can add to
the element list.
Kind Regards,
Jim Wooddell

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Count Deiro  wrote:
> Anyone on List like to smarten me up as to what one of these XRF "guns" cost 
>and where one could be purchased?
>
> Count Deiro
> IMCA 3536
>
>
> -Original Message-
>>From: Jim Wooddell 
>>Sent: Jun 30, 2011 2:01 PM
>>To: cdtuc...@cox.net
>>Cc: Meteorite List 
>>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] XRF Test results UNWA First try
>>
>>Hi!
>>
>>I am not trying to compare.  All I need is a go - no go.  Then it's
>>off to a lab for classification.
>>
>>I had sent this lady a list for elements.  She is going to see if she
>>can do them when she get home.  Her gun is one of the better higher
>>end units.
>>
>>So I will add Cr Mn and Na, thank you.
>>
>>I had so far
>>Ca
>>Cr
>>Si
>>Ni
>>Mg
>>Ga
>>Al
>>Fe
>>Mn
>>Ti
>>Na
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>
>>On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:14 PM,   wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>> My posts are moderated so, they do not post in real time but ,  until Art 
>>>releases them. Please excuse these delays.
>>> I don't know of any such links with XRF generated data.
>>> I only had my own data that I paid Blaine to produce from my own rocks.
>>> In order to compare data with that of known meteorites you have to have 
>>> data 
>>>for a few certain elements. Not the info you got from your XRF results.
>>> All of the published needed data that is used to plot these charts with are 
>>>basically the same.
>>> the data you got for your UNWA is arbitrary in that nobody really uses much 
>>> of 
>>>what you were given for much of anything.
>>> The elements you do need data for a

[meteorite-list] 80th Anniversary of the arrival of a Green Alien from Space!

[Norm Lehrman]

Listoids,  Sorry if this is a double posting.  I didn't receive the first try, 
so this is attempt 2---

June 27, 1931, 0130 hours, Foum Tatahouine, Tunisia
June 26, 2030 hours, New York
June 26, 1830 hours, Denver
June 26, 1730 hours, Spokane

In just a few hours it will be 1:30 AM, June 27 in Tunisia (but I am not going 
to stay up for it as that will be 3:30AM at my present location in East 
Africa).  It’s a clear starry night at a balmy 24C/75F in Tunisia, much like 
the 
night in 1931.

Eighty years ago today, after a very long voyage from a spaceport believed to 
be 

located in the south pole crater of asteroid 4 Vesta, a green alien shattered 
into tiny bits against the earth’s atmosphere.  The fragments rained down about 
2 ½ miles NE of Foum Tatahouine, Tunisia.

On the same month and day, but differing numbers of years later, a couple of 
additional aliens survived re-entry and are quietly living amongst other 
earthlings to this day.  Happy birthday, my diogenite brother Doug Dawn (aka 
MexicoDoug)!  Happy earth-arrival anniversary Tatahouine!

A great place to catch up on the story of Tatahouine is Doug’s website: 
(www.diogenite.com/tata1.htm) 

My favourite factoid regarding the green meteorite is the common presence of 
tiny shatter-cone horsetails decorating the coarse pyroxene crystals.  A 
question for those more knowledgeable than I on impact cratering: could these 
shattercones have formed during the event that ejected the material from its 
source crater or are they artifacts of earlier impacts in the same location?

Best regards,
Norm Lehrman
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[meteorite-list] 80th Anniversary of the arrival of a Green Alien from Space!

[Norm Lehrman]

Listoids,
June 27, 1931, 0130 hours, Foum Tatahouine, Tunisia
June 26, 2030 hours, New York
June 26, 1830 hours, Denver
June 26, 1730 hours, Spokane
In just a few hours it will be 1:30 AM, June 27 in Tunisia (but I am not going 
to stay up for it as that will be 3:30AM at my present location in East 
Africa).  It’s a clear starry night at a balmy 24C/75F in Tunisia, much like 
the 
night in 1931.
Eighty years ago today, after a very long voyage from a spaceport believed to 
be 
located in the south pole crater of asteroid 4 Vesta, a green alien shattered 
into tiny bits against the earth’s atmosphere.  The fragments rained down about 
2 ½ miles NE of Foum Tatahouine, Tunisia.
On the same month and day, but differing numbers of years later, a couple of 
additional aliens survived re-entry and are quietly living amongst other 
earthlings to this day.  Happy birthday, my diogenite brother Doug Dawn (aka 
MexicoDoug)!  Happy earth-arrival anniversary Tatahouine!
A great place to catch up on the story of Tatahouine is Doug’s website: 
(www.diogenite.com/tata1.htm) 

My favourite factoid regarding the green meteorite is the common presence of 
tiny shatter-cone horsetails decorating the coarse pyroxene crystals.  A 
question for those more knowledgeable than I on impact cratering: could these 
shattercones have formed during the event that ejected the material from its 
source crater or are they artifacts of earlier impacts in the same location?
Best regards,
Norm Lehrman
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Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Norm Lehrman]

Count,  

Muonionalusta is actually a good illustration regarding the potential effects 
of 
glaciation: 

 "--- the Muonionalusta meteorites have endured thousands of years' worth 
of glaciations and melting periods. As a result, thawing ice sheets have 
migrated the meteorites miles from their original impact site, making 
Muonionalusta among the largest and most challenging strewn fields on the 
planet."  (quoted from the Meteorite Men episode description).  


I don't have any personal knowledge of the Muonionalusta research, but the 
suggestion inherint in the last part of the quote is that glacial effects have 
dispersed, enlarged, and confused the inferred original distribution pattern.

Which is my general point:  more often than not, glacial phenomena work against 
the meteorite hunter.  


Without the slightest doubt, meteorites fell on the continental ice sheets, 
were 
variously transported, and were ultimately deposited.  This, however, does not 
make glacial deposits any more prospective for meteorites than your back yard.  
In fact, if you find one in your back yard, you will be well on your way to 
finding more.  But if you find one in glacial till, your chances of expanding 
that find into multiple finds is greatly reduced, not enhanced.

Cheers,
Norm
www.tektitesource.com




 


- Original Message 
From: Count Deiro 
To: Norm Lehrman ; Dave Myers 
Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 6:31:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Hello Norm, List,

Considering the exposition on "Meteorite Men" of the Muonionalusta strewn field 
and in particular the claims by the Swedish hunter that the meteorites were 
brought to the area by glaciers, could you comment?

Best to all,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536
-Original Message-
>From: Norm Lehrman 
>Sent: Jun 10, 2011 6:08 AM
>To: Dave Myers 
>Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
>
>All,
>
>I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting 
>started in the search for meteorites.  The glacier angle is, in this case, 
>thin 

>ice.  First, Antarctica is a very special case:  in general glacial moraines 
>are 
>
>an absolutely horrible place to look.  I'm with Mike.  If you've got genuine 
>meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine 
>deposits.  

>Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place here is to confirm the ID.  
>This 

>is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones.
>
>But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent many years 
>living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the Cordilleran ice 
>sheet 
>
>(in NE WA).  Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what a 
>meteorite 
>
>hunter doesn't want.  Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery of 
>meteorites was a direct result of going places where there shouldn't be any 
>rocks. The sand seas of the Sahara, same thing.  The dry lakebeds of the Great 
>Basin continue that tradition.  And so does Antarctica.  
>
>
>The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises.  Glaciers are part of 
>the 

>story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part.  Starting at the simple 
>end, 

>Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and blue where the nearest bedrock is 
>often 3000 m straight down.  Rocks are easy to spot, and most that are there 
>fell from the sky.  On a snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not 
>miss much.  The driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds 
>to the story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life.  Then there are the glaciers.
>
>Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail away in their ice 
>rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into the depths of the ocean.  
>However, where the flowing ice encounters mountains, like the Transantarctic 
>range, it stalls, to be slowly eaten away by katabatic winds descending from 
>the 
>
>high country.  More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time, all of 
>the 
>
>entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone.
>
>The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite different.  
>They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and dumped their contents like 
>dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring.  They advanced and retreated.  
>Meltwaters 

>reworked the lot.  The ice was both a bulldozer and upside-down conveyor 
>belt.  

>Certainly, meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the 
>world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not concentration.
>
>Of course yo

Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting 
started in the search for meteorites.  The glacier angle is, in this case, thin 
ice.  First, Antarctica is a very special case:  in general glacial moraines 
are 
an absolutely horrible place to look.  I'm with Mike.  If you've got genuine 
meteorites, they probably have nothing at all to do with the moraine deposits.  
Second, I'm also with Anne: the starting place here is to confirm the ID.  This 
is one of those stories with "to good to be true" overtones.

But back to moraines. As a lifelong exploration geologist, I spent many years 
living on the terminal moraines and outwash gravels of the Cordilleran ice 
sheet 
(in NE WA).  Moraines are vast accumulations of rock, precisely what a 
meteorite 
hunter doesn't want.  Nininger's pioneering success in the recovery of 
meteorites was a direct result of going places where there shouldn't be any 
rocks. The sand seas of the Sahara, same thing.  The dry lakebeds of the Great 
Basin continue that tradition.  And so does Antarctica.  


The latter, of course, is where the confusion arises.  Glaciers are part of the 
story for the Antarctic meteorites, but only part.  Starting at the simple end, 
Antarctica is a vast expanse of white and blue where the nearest bedrock is 
often 3000 m straight down.  Rocks are easy to spot, and most that are there 
fell from the sky.  On a snowmobile you can cover a lot of ground fast and not 
miss much.  The driest air on earth (much dryer than that of hot deserts) adds 
to the story by lengthening meteorite shelf-life.  Then there are the glaciers.

Mainly, the ice flows to the coast and the meteorites sail away in their ice 
rafts until they are dumped unceremoniously into the depths of the ocean.  
However, where the flowing ice encounters mountains, like the Transantarctic 
range, it stalls, to be slowly eaten away by katabatic winds descending from 
the 
high country.  More ice flows in to replace that lost, and with time, all of 
the 
entrained rocks accumulate in a relatively compact stranding zone.

The terminal moraines of the North American ice sheets were quite different.  
They flowed into warmer climes, melted, thinned and dumped their contents like 
dirty plowed snowpiles in the spring.  They advanced and retreated.  Meltwaters 
reworked the lot.  The ice was both a bulldozer and upside-down conveyor belt.  
Certainly, meteorites fell onto the surface of the ice, as they do on all the 
world, but in this case the glaciers provided vast dilution, not concentration.

Of course you could find a meteorite in glacial deposits, but the dilution 
effects make the search much more difficult.

So advice to would-be searchers: by all means do search wherever you can, but 
if 
you want to increase your odds of success, don't head for the moraines of the 
great continental ice sheets.  Further, you don't need to run out and buy a 
metal detector, expensive or otherwise. Life is too short to do that anywhere 
but a strewn field. You need to cover ground to up the odds.  Go where there 
are 
no rocks and use your eyes, by far the best tool available for routine cold 
searches

Cheers,
Norm (still on the far side of the globe)
www.tektitesource.com



- Original Message 
From: Dave Myers 
To: meteoriteguy.com 
Cc: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
; 
tracy latimer 
Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 5:07:57 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Hi Mike you may be right.

But the two chondrites are so different, I do not think there from the same 
fall. But they both could be from different falls??


And when you look at the glacier map I posted with all the iron finds in south 
west ohio, non of them are paired? 


just my thoughts.

Thanks again

Dave Myers





 


- Original Message 
From: meteoriteguy.com 
To: Dave Myers 
Cc: tracy latimer ; "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 

Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:29:27 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits

Guys,
It is very unlikely that these
Chondrites are related to the glaciation. Just appears to be a strewnfield like 
any other. 

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:26 PM, Dave Myers  wrote:

> Hi Tracy
> 
> All the green areas on the map are "high glaicer morians" It does not show 
> the 


> smaller ones in Butler county and other countys.
> 
> There is a farm on the Butler-Hamilton county line most of it in Hamilton 
> county, Has a perfect out line "u" shaped of a morian on that farm.
> 
> I want to hunt that really bad.
> 
> Will ask next them next year.
> 
> 
> Dave Myers
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: tracy latimer 
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 9:16:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
> 
> 
> That was my thought as well.  There seem to be parallels here between the 
> Muonionlusta field

Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

This is an interesting question with important nuances.  I am one that does 
leave many sold items pictured (but I do endeavor to marke them "sold" ASAP).

Here's why I do it:  The items we sell, each and every one of them, are 
unique.  
It is not like listing a particular stock item that was mass produced.  We do 
have categories and types and sub-types, but in the end, a whole long list of 
individuals.  As a consequence, every specimen has a unique value.  One 
displays 
this feature supremely well, another presents other aspects well.  One glorious 
piece has it all.  I leave pictures of sold items on the website to help 
collectors to develop a sense of perspective.  How can you recognize a truly 
superb Besednice moldavite if you don't have some frame of reference for the 
range of attributes possible?

So that is my "why".  But there is another question that has not been mentioned 
thus far, and I would appreciate your thoughts on this.  For a long time, when 
I 
was updating a "sold" item, I left the asking price visible.  The thought, in 
line with the preceeding paragraph, was to help provide perspective as to what 
other "willing buyers" had accepted as a fair price for a piece of a particular 
quality.  


However, I also recognize that the day comes when a buyer may wish to resell, 
and at that point, the price they paid for the piece should be a private 
matter.  In fact, some buyers may not want their significant others finding out 
the buying price for that great specimen they just bought instead of paying the 
rent!   So, I increasingly do remove the purchase price when I mark something 
"sold" (but I hope that potential buyers may be able to infer from my long 
listing of "sold" items that many collectors have judged my pricing 
reasonable---).  Do you want the purchase price deleted or do you find value in 
being able to see what was actually paid for a specimen?

Periodically, I do go through our listings and weed out most of the sold items, 
leaving only a selection of some of the best of the best "sold" items still 
pictured.  But for those of you who don't maintain your own websites, it is 
worth noting that this involves identifying the particular thumbnail photo that 
links to particular blow-up, then deleting those images and changing the 
associated page to delete references to those images, etc, etc.  Frankly, there 
comes a point where it is easier to just leave it all there.  Lazy is part of 
the answer to the original question---

Cheers,
Norm  (http://tektitesource.com)
(back home for a month, then back to Africa---)



 


- Original Message 
From: Michael Gilmer 
To: Shawn Alan 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 7:59:52 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers re: displaying sold items

Hi List,

Martin and Shawn raised a couple of good points.  Old-school
collectors bought specimens via snail mail and telephone calls,
sometimes without seeing a photo of a specimen.  Some dealers like Bob
Haag had catalogues with photos and descriptions, but many had simple
price lists with nothing more than a line or two describing the
specimen.  Today, we have instant gratification and can shop online
for meteorites as if we are buying shoes or a hat.  But, meteorites
are unique and unusual, so they are ill-suited for a quickie "drive
through" type of sales medium.  Some of the newer dealers have very
nice and flashy websites that are quite effective, but much of the
meteorite world is still operating by it's own rules, so change comes
slowly.

Heck, I still buy the occasional specimen via snail mail and
price-list.  I've bought specimens from Blaine Reed, sight-unseen with
just a brief text description and price.  Not one time have I been
disappointed, and it's exciting to open the package and see the
specimen for the first time.  It's a thrill one can't really get when
you have already seen a dozen hi-res photos from every possible angle
before receiving it in hand.

As for the dealers who still have archives or pages full of sold
specimens, I have no problem with it, if the specimens are marked as
"sold" on the website, and the website is updated on a regular basis
or semi-regular basis.  When I can't tell which specimens are sold and
which are not, that can be frustrating.

Best regards,

MikeG

--
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On 4/12/11, Shawn Alan  wrote:
> I would say Dealers leave sold items on the website because it shows the
> buyers what they have sold in the past and also it builds up there
> reputation

Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was: Spectacular Tektite on eBay)

[Norm Lehrman]

Sorry, I was typing in the dark and hit a button that sent the message before I 
was done.

The one on Ebay is significantly over-priced.  For $1800, I think I can still 
source a flawless specimen.  With the rim chips, I would not pay $1000, but 
times are certainly changing.  They haven't made any more of these for a very 
long time and the supply is getting very lean.

I think I told the story on our website, but I traded my youngest daughter's 
hand in marriage for one fine flanged button.  We were living in West Aus and 
spent lots of time out searching.  On the fateful day, Derek (our great current 
son in law) came out with us, his first tektite hunt.  Cookie and I had over 
1000 finds each to our credit (australites that is, not a single fully flanged 
button) and had a pretty good eye.  We know how to tell them from kangaroo 
droppings (bite them!).

We were walking a dry stream channel southeast of Kalgoorlie and finding 
nothing.  My daughter is American Indian, and I had been kidding Derek that if 
he wanted to marry her he was going to have to come up with a fine bunch of 
horses and blankets for the father of the bride.  It was hot and dry and 
swarming with flies and kangaroo droppings were about as exciting as it got.  
Then Derek shouted "hey norm, about those horses and sheep and stuff---would 
this do???"  He was holding up a perfect, flawless flanged button.  I accepted 
on the spot.  He has my daughter and a fine family, I have a fine flanged 
Australite and some great grandkids.  What's more, we're both happy with the 
deal.  

People sometimes ask what my daughter thinks of being sold for a flanged 
button, and I assure them that she understands their rarity and is honored to 
command such a premium!

Three years has passed since we moved to Africa and suspended the Tektite 
Source.  Cookie has now moved back to the USA and is getting the inventory 
unpacked; I'm still wandering Africa at least until the end of the calendar 
year.  But within a few months we should have things up and running again.  
Thanks for waiting.  We have a long list of clients to contact when she finds 
everything.  If you have items of interest from the website, let us know and 
we'll get to you when we can---

I need to visit our own website, but unfortunately I think we are completely 
out of good flanged buttons (that are for sale--there's for sure on that isn't!)

Cheers,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- On Mon, 8/9/10, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de  wrote:

> From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was: 
> Spectacular Tektite on eBay)
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 9:05 AM
> Hello Brian and List,
> 
> Brian wrote: "On this beautiful tektite, I stand
> corrected."
> 
> On December 3rd, 2000, I asked our late Darryl Futrell (+
> Aug 13, 2001) what
> a reasonable price for a perfect Australian button would be
> and the next day he
> responded like this:
> 
> "A perfect flanged button goes for about $2000 or more.
> Maybe a sandblasted one might turn up for $1000 or so."
> 
> Best wishes from someone
> who wishes he had one too
> 
> Bernd
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was: Spectacular Tektite on eBay)

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

There are a couple of key issues regarding flanged aussie buttons.  First, the 
big money has always been for Port Campbell Victoria specimens which somehow 
seem always bright, fresh, and pristine.  All the others are in another league. 
 

For years I have offered specimens from anywhere else for $900 to $1300, but I 
haven't been able to restock for over 5 years at any wholesale price under 
$1500.  They simply aren't on the market.

--- On Mon, 8/9/10, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de  wrote:

> From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl Futrell on flanged button prices (Was: 
> Spectacular Tektite on eBay)
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Monday, August 9, 2010, 9:05 AM
> Hello Brian and List,
> 
> Brian wrote: "On this beautiful tektite, I stand
> corrected."
> 
> On December 3rd, 2000, I asked our late Darryl Futrell (+
> Aug 13, 2001) what
> a reasonable price for a perfect Australian button would be
> and the next day he
> responded like this:
> 
> "A perfect flanged button goes for about $2000 or more.
> Maybe a sandblasted one might turn up for $1000 or so."
> 
> Best wishes from someone
> who wishes he had one too
> 
> Bernd
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post

[Norm Lehrman]

Bill,

Thanks. Your post warmed my heart, (even here in Africa 2 degrees south of the 
very hot humid meteorite-destroying equator!).  Welcome!  You are our kind of 
person.

And to all of you that made Tucson and West, TX, thanks for your posts.  They 
hurt very very bad/good.  We missed both so much, and envied you all that made 
them!  

Cheers,
Norm
(http://tektitesource.com)




--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Bill Hall  wrote:

> From: Bill Hall 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] I'm so happy! My 1st Post
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009, 8:18 AM
> Hello to all,
>   I've tried to post on here over a
> year ago and
> couldn't get any thru. Thanks Steve Dunklee for the
> advice. My problem
> was different, but you inspired me to work on it again.
> gmail has a
> tab you must click to send messages as plain text.
> 
> OK METEORITES. I probably got the bug the same way many of
> you did,
> watching a show with Robert Haag searching for the Tucson
> Meteorite.
> This was many years ago, and thanks a lot Robert if you
> read this.  I
> hope your HAPPY! You've created a brand new Addiction
> all on your own!
> Soon after this I purchased O Richard Nortons book Rocks
> From Space.
> Great book, but guess what! I found out I lived only 5
> miles from
> Richard and Dorthy Norton!. I found myself soon sitting at
> the kitchen
> table looking at thin sections with Richard, and learning
> all about
> chondrules, etc. What a treat!! He told me all about the
> field of
> meteoritics, and this pushed me over the edge. I have a
> serious
> problem when it comes to meteorites. I'm a bit of a
> freak I
> suppose,... I take meteorites with me wherever I go, I buy
> meteorites
> for less than their worth, more than their worth, give them
> to
> strangers, and pass them out at star parties to the
> children. I
> constantly think about all the different ways to include
> them in my
> life, process them, preserve them, make things from them,
> hunting for
> them, e-bay etc. Its a wonder I get anything done at all!
> 
> Took a trip to Florida in 2003, went to Kennedy Space
> Center, and
> purchased my 1st meteorite. About 40 grams on Nantan crust
> for only
> $40!! How funny!  I was ( and still am ) so happy to have
> my Nantan
> crust rust. ( No I don't want to buy any more @ $1
> gram, but thanks )
> I did go back in 2004 and buy another piece however.
> 
> 
> Oct, 2007 found me heading to Arizona, (I live in Bend
> Oregon) what a
> ride! I spent 4 month there hunting meteorites, and
> purchasing
> whenever possible. Made my 1st trip to meteor crater, UN
> believable
> experience! Met all the guys from Morocco, and purchased
> several
> kilo's  NWA, a few kilos here a few kilos there. Spent
> most of my time
> in Quartzsite working (I have a mobile RV service business)
> and
> playing. In quartzsite I met a guy who many of you know
> I'm sure who
> brings us the Campo's. I spent nearly every spare
> moment working on,
> and discussing meteorite hunting, preservation, future
> searches for
> the Esquel Palllasite etc. and a BBQ almost every night.
> Ended up with
> Campo's running out my ears! Then my new friend had to
> go to
> Tucson,... how sad I had to stay and work. Well he
> called me
> several times from there, and made several nice purchases
> for me, some
> of these were purchased from list members.
> 
> #1 I got the nice big Brenham slice, with the L.A. Times
> newspaper,
> thanks Steve Arnold, I love it!
> #2 I got a big 12 kilo complete oriented chondrite, I think
> it came
> from Mohammad, but not sure
> #3 I got a 1 kilo Seymchan, and small 40 gram slice from
> one of you guys.
> and several other smaller pieces, thanks everyone.
> 
> I vowed to make it to Tucson in 2009. I kept that
> vow...WOW!
> Even before I went, I had the pleasure to meet Ruben in
> Quartzsite,
> and be in one of his videos. Oh yea! I forgot, I found a 40
> plus gram
> chondrite in the Quartzsite area. My 1st find, I GPS the
> coordinates,
> and photo in situ, etc. My friend Mark and I had walked for
> a hundred
> miles before we found it. How cool it wasand Ruben
> videoed it with
> his new HD camera, and stuck it on You Tube. SO COOL,
> thanks Ruben!
> 
> Then Tucson: Oh boy..the post is getting long, sorry so
> exited to
> post.be calm, breath...OK 1st stop, the Ramada, and
> got 8 kilo
> chondrites from a nice boy from Morocco for REALLY cheap!
> then to the
> Days Inn and found my Campo connection, visited a bit, then
> Steve
> Arnold walked up and I got to meet him! Almost peed my
> pants! Then got
> oriented, found a place to park for the day, and headed to
> Inn Suites.
> Here I met Marvin Kilgore, ( again nearly peed)
> what a nice
> guy! purchased his book, and talked meteorites for an hour
> or so, met
> his nice wife Kitty and got some pictures. thanks Marvin
> and Kitty.
> Then met Bruno Fectay and Corine Bidaut, SUPER nice people.
> Checked
> out their 

Re: [meteorite-list] West, Texas meteorite finds

[Norm Lehrman]

Doug,

Thanks for your story.  And Mike F., you've been great.  You can't know how 
envious we are, patiently waiting at our post for something to shatter on the 
atmosphere over east Africa.  Just hearing your stories and knowing you guys 
and picturing the search in our minds makes us feel like we've touched 
greatness---

Thanks for sharing.  (But as I have relayed to others privately, the Tucson 
pictures shared by listoids were a bit cruel.  We've missed it for two years 
and it hurts bad---.  But really, thanks for your pics.  The tugs on our 
heartstrings hurt a bit, but they keep us going).

We'll be back.

Cheers (from Tanzania),
Norm & Cookie
(http://tektitesource.com)


--- On Sat, 2/21/09, mexicod...@aim.com  wrote:

> From: mexicod...@aim.com 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West, Texas meteorite finds
> To: meteor...@meteorobs.org, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 3:36 AM
> Hello from Sunny Texas, under clear and starry-eyed skies at
> the moment,
> 
> A few stones were found right at the time of the fall,
> however, they were not definitively identified as meteorites
> - though that was the suspicion and they were saved.
> 
> We (Doug Dawn, Dmitry Sadilenko, Sergey Petukov) drove
> across the country and estimated the location of the strewn
> field within 48 hours of the event. With a bit of tenacity,
> scarcely four hours after the second day, thanks to the help
> of some Texas-sized hospitality, we arrived in the strewn
> field and found our first couple of stones and I had the
> distinct pleasure of shaking the finders hand and removing
> any lingering doubts in his mind that he had meteorites
> fresh from Heaven's farm.
> 
> After the initial success, my good friend and
> asteroidhunter, Rob Matson of Los Angeles, joined up with
> the team. We have found some stones, but more are being
> found by others, and we really expect larger masses to be
> found, though hard work in the field definitely gets you
> wondering if just because such a meteoritical spectacle
> drops one stone, should it drop the thousands we keep
> expecting to see? The TKW is rapidly evolving, but the area
> is being hit quite hard by hunters already. This doesn't
> seem to be a dense fall, and some areas are very easy to
> search, though bramble in other areas effectively keeps
> those off limits. All land is private and most families keep
> their gun collections well oiled. In our case, the
> big-hearts of the landowners have humbled easily as much as
> the witness reports of the bolide's fragmenting itself.
> This is at odds with some other reports, only because
> residents of the area treasure their privacy and were
> completely overwhelmed by the wave of treasure hunters that
> descended. We almost lost our permission to hunt when they
> believed that we were somehow responsible for several
> meteorite hunters showing up with a news crews. Besides
> being quite busy, I promised to respect the anonymity of our
> hosts as a condition of our search, and this evening we
> reaped the benefits of a delicious home-cooked dinner
> prepared by the caring hands of our hosts at their dinner
> table. There is a great Texas steakhouse on I-35 which adds
> to the flavor for anyone wanting to experience Texas
> culture, cowboys and pretty cowgirls from West, TX.
> 
> It has been an incredible last few days, which started by
> being the first to walk in a virgin strewn field, though my
> mother had some problems (she seems better now) that have
> somewhat muted what will undoubtedly be some of the most
> memorable moments of my life. It is way past bedtime and I
> will post more tomorrow. The meteorite itself is moderately
> to highly shocked and has a very bright, light, interior and
> veins of troilite and nodules of metal, and the majority of
> stones found are fully fusion crusted. More on the
> classification on Saturday. We certainly were not in a
> mass-laden portion of the strewn field, other hunters please
> take note; more likely just a place where a minor
> fragmentation impacted. In any case, we are committed to
> getting the science done so everyone else can rest assured
> that we have already gladly provided the mass requirements
> necessary for this honor.
> 
> All in all, a very humbling experience for many reasons. To
> pick up a piece of a falling star and I thought, detect a
> faint sulfurous odor. It seems a dog even caught the scent
> of a meteorite and laid it down on the owners porch!
> 
> Best wishes and clear skies
> Doug
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pat Branch 
> To: drtan...@yahoo.com; Global Meteor Observing Forum
> 
> Sent: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 9:28 am
> Subject: Re: (meteorobs) West, Texas meteorite finds
> 
> 
> The University of North Texas Astronomers have found 4 so
> far. I saw a
> video clip of them. The biggest is about 3 times the
> others...just
> about palm sized.
> 
> I think that is 4 for Farmer and 4 for UNT. I have not
> heard of other
>

Re: [meteorite-list] Bogus indochinites? Are they or aren't they?

[Norm Lehrman]

Greetings Dirk, Mark, & all,

I have previously forwarded off-list comments to some on this matter, but just 
to round out the story for everyone, here are a few bits from our experience.

We have purchased some very large lots of tektites from several sources.  For 
many years we have had a consistent buyer of over 10,000 specimens per year.  
As these are used for educational purposes, we have handled and examined each 
and every one.  Lots of odds and ends are included in every shipment, but I 
don't consider this intentionally fraudulent on the part of any of my 
suppliers.  Bulk tektites are a bulk commodity and have a very low unit value 
to the finder.  I am frankly amazed that the overall percentage of rejects is 
so low.  The most common cull materials found in bulk shipments are: clinkers & 
slag, coal, tourmaline, garnets, melted glass, fragments of plastic, and 
assorted common rocks.  I don't think this is the result of deceit.  It's just 
bulk materials being handled as quickly as possible.  

What does distress me is that I have seen this same cull material offered as 
individual specimens by dealers in Tucson who apparently think that just 
because it was found in a bag of tektites, it is therefor a tektite, ---in 
fact, an odd tektite deserving of its own box and individual piece sale.  It 
should not need to be said, but I will say it anyway:  if you buy bulk 
tektites, don't suspend critical judgement.  Some of the black bits in there 
aren't tektites even if they are in a bag marked "tektites".

As for the fake moldavites, these also are quite often honest mistakes.  Don't 
assume that every seller of the same is a crook.  When I have contacted sellers 
on such matters, I would say that 80% of the time, they truly had no idea their 
material wasn't authentic and withdrew their auctions quickly and honorably.  

The ones you really need to watch out for are the "new" localities.  These are 
the ones that show up periodically from Utah, or Arizona, or somewhere in 
Africa or a host of other places.  Once someone has decided that what they have 
is a new type of tektite, there is seldom an objective bone left in their body. 
 They can always find some teacher or professor or geologist who endorses their 
find.  This is big-time buyer beware.  I always give the new discoveries a fair 
hearing.  We'd all love to find something new.  But be careful.  Honest people 
will be open about doubts and uncertainties.  If they start to talk about 
conspiracies to supress their find, and quote all sorts of authorities who 
could not be in a position to be real authorities, throw out the red flag!

As for the "Indochinites", Dirk has told you like it is.  It is virtually 
impossible to be sure of a source locality without self-collecting or getting 
it from someone you can trust impeccably who has self-collected(like Dirk).  
Even my most trusted suppliers, who may well be completely trustworthy, get 
their materials from other suppliers of completely unknown integrity. The 
front-line collectors have a vested interest in keeping their localities secret.

Best regards to all,

Norm Lehrman
(tektitesource.com) 




--- On Fri, 2/13/09, drtanuki  wrote:

> From: drtanuki 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bogus indochinites?  Are they or aren't they?
> To: "Mark Ford" , meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 4:14 AM
> Dear Mark and List,
>   You are correct that it is unlikely that tektites are
> faked, 99.99% BUT NOT 100%.  Rare types such as buttons
> etc., rare types or rare localities perhaps would be the
> most likely target because of profit vs effort.
> 
>   I have seen ONE intentionally faked tektite in the
> Philippines in the Late Dr. Beyer`s collection from the
> 1930~40s (labeled as 'fake'- it was two real
> tektites that had been affixed together with asphalt to form
> a very unusual shape).
> 
>   Moldavite faked- see ebay and check especially China,
> Hong Kong sellers.
>  "Faked" (mis-represented or mis-identified)
> Libyan glass...we saw it before from China.
> 
>   It is NOT uncommon to see slag substituted as
> Indochinite.
> 
>  In my opinion "Indochinite" is not a good name
> as it allows for such a large area and they may not all be
> from the same source impact crater or same impact event.  We
> have yet to find a source crater or craters!
> 
>   I am also of the opinion that there were multiple impacts
> at the time of their formation and the term
> "Indochinite" is a term left for orphaned tektites
> that the find location is no longer known or the person
> obtaining them bought them from persons unwilling to give
> the find location for financial reasons OR the seller just
> did not know and assumed that the lo

Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite with metal?

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

The material pictured is just an iron oxy-hydroxide mixture ("limonite" works 
okay) that occurs naturally in lateritic soils.  It is quite common on tektites 
from some localities.  If you want to clean it, just soak the tektite in HCl 
for a week or two.  It will then be easily picked or washed out---

If it is any consolation, when I first got started with tektites I hoarded 
pieces like that, also thinking they might be related to the famed Fe-Ni 
inclusions.  No such luck.

Cheers,
Norm
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--- On Wed, 2/4/09, Eric Wichman  wrote:

> From: Eric Wichman 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite with metal?
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009, 9:45 AM
> Phil, That's the closest thing I've seen. That might
> be it.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Phil Morgan wrote:
> > Eric, I believe what your seeing is the same thing
> (maybe polished 
> > somehow) as what I've heard this referred to as
> Limonite.  Here is an 
> > example.  http://www.tektiteinc.com/104grams.html
> >  
> > I have very similar examples and it is very hard
> stuff.
> >  
> > Phil
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Eric Wichman
>  > > wrote:
> >
> > Sean,
> >
> > Unsure of whether it is metal... it resembles
> metal, but is not
> > magnetic. I've tried using a small pick to
> remove it and even a
> > stainless steel wire brush and no luck. It's
> not soil of any kind.
> >
> > I'll try to get some 10X magnification
> photos...
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > T. Murray wrote:
> >
> > Eric - are you sure that is metal?  I'm
> curious to know if a
> > magnet sticks to it... Most of these that I
> have seen are
> > compacted soil/minerals that are attached to
> the tektite.
> >  Kind of like caliche.
> >
> > I have a bunch of tektites with those kinds of
> "inclusions" -
> > but they are all local material that has just
> gotten stuck in
> > the weathered surface of the tektite.  I
> usually leave them in
> > as it is an indicator of the soil/material
> where the tektite
> > was found.
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Eric
> Wichman"
> >  >
> > To:  >
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:40 AM
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Tektite with metal?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > On my recent adventure to the Tucson show
> I purchased many
> > meteorites and about 6 kilos of tektites,
> in the batch of
> > tektites I found an odd piece. Now I'm
> very familiar with
> > chondrites but know little to nothing
> about tektites. Can
> > someone please tell me what I'm
> looking at here.
> >
> > It's an odd piece. It appears to be
> metal embedded in the
> > tektite in two places. This is the only
> piece I have that
> > exhibits this inclusion. Is this a natural
> inclusion that
> > formed after the tektite was formed or is
> it just
> > something "stuck" in the
> tektite???
> >
> > The piece is about 34 grams...
> > http://www.meteoritesusa.com/tektites.htm
> >
> > This is bugging me because I can't
> find any info on it and
> > I'd like to know if this is normal for
> a tektite or just
> > some fluke oddity.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Eric
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > -- 
> > Regards,
> > Eric Wichman
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Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation

[Norm Lehrman]

Eduardo,

Several years ago I was told that the Campo strewn field overlaps the boundary 
into an adjacent province (Santiago del Estero?) which at that time had no laws 
regulating export.  Hence, there was said to be a legal source outside of Chaco.

Is this incorrect?

Thanks,
Norm


--- On Fri, 11/21/08, Eduardo. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Eduardo. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 3:46 AM
> Martin
> The problem is not just a reporter calling, is that there
> is a judicial
> process now.
> And the new law is not to be considered as it is about NEW
> FINDS AND FALLS
> only (December 2007).
> The problem here is that ALL meteorites from Chaco province
> (including
> Campo de Cielo) are protected by a provincial law since
> 1993. So only
> Campo del Cielo meteorites that left the Chaco province
> before 1993 can be
> legally sold.
> Eduardo
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Martin Altmann"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:39:21 +0100
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo Investigation
> 
> 
> > Don't worry Eric, ignore. When came the new law
> into force? In January?
> > They and not you have to prove, whether there was an
> illicit export and
> > whether it happened this year.
> > 
> > Skol
> > Martin
> > 
> > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Im Auftrag von
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 20. November 2008 23:57
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> > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Argentine Campo
> Investigation
> > 
> > Hello Eric and List,
> > 
> > "She asked if I would come to Argentina to answer
> the
> > charges...I certainly wouldn't show up for their
> inquisition"
> > 
> > No such experiences here but the best you can do as a
> citizen
> > of a free country is to simply ignore such b.s.,
> sorry, nonsense.
> > 
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> > 
> > Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates for North American and Australasian Tektites

[Norm Lehrman]

Michael & list,
  
Greetings from Tanzania! Sorry to be so out of touch, but electricity and 
internet service are both pretty insecure here.

Michael,  K-Ar and Ar40/Ar39 techniques are not limited to volcanic rocks.  
Anything containing potassium (certainly including tektites) can work.  There 
are always interpretative issues, but that's another subject.

I spend a fair bit of my field time here working with geochronology where 2.8 
billion years is "young" and an error bracket of +/- 40 million years is almost 
too sloppy to be of use!  I'm learning some new stuff.

No meteorites so far, and virtually no decent search environments.  I found a 
killer little iron in the middle of a jungle trail a while back, but a quick 
zap with a Niton portable XRF unit showed no Ni.  Just a nice chip off of an 
iron plow or sledge hammer---.  

The Niton ray gun is driving me crazy.  At virtually no cost, I can pull the 
trigger and analyze for the entire periodic table heaver than Na in less than 1 
minute.  This machine should be able to let us non-destructively differentiate 
iron meteorites, and maybe tektites.  Why am I going crazy?  ALL my collection 
is in storage in the USA and I can't test the technology! The unit costs around 
$35,000 US.  Here, now, I have unlimited access to one, and soon, several.  

Imagine being able to instantly (in relative terms), go though a collection of 
irons and verify their identity.  I've got some in my collection that are 
potentially with the wrong tag, and I bet every museum in the world fits into 
that fellowship.  What if we can easily zap tektites to confirm/differentiate 
Ivorites, Bediasites, and Australasians?  Authenticate moldavites and reject 
etched glass?  I THINK this tool is in our hands now.

I'm coming to the US at Christmas time.  Who can offer me a nice wide variety 
of approx. 1 cm sq slices of irons at a decent price?  I could even return them 
afterwards (subject to the risk of confiscation in customs somewhere---).  If 
this works as I think it could, I'd consider buying a Niton on my return to the 
USA, and offering verification services.

If anyone is able to provide me with a dozen or so little iron chips (for a 
price of course), please let me know.  This could be very cool.

Regards to all, 

Norm
http://tektitesource.com



, 10/14/08, Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question About Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates for 
> North American and Australasian Tektites
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Meteorite List" 
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 2008, 10:56 AM
> Hi Paul & all,
> K-A dating is only applicable to volcanic material,
> therefore,
> It would not be applicable to tektites.
> Best wishes, Michael
> 
> on 10/14/08 9:14 AM, Paul at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > Can anyone recommend a publication that provides a
> > comprehensive listing of Potassium-Argon (K/Ar) dates
> > that have been published for the North American and
> > Australasian tektites?
> > 
> > Also, what the authorative reference(s) work for
> > the bulk composition of tektites from each of these
> > strewn fields?
> > 
> > Any citations, which you can recommend would be
> > greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Best Regards,
> > 
> > Paul H.
> > 
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Atmospheric ablation marks on Tektites?

[Norm Lehrman]

Sean & all,

This is whipping a dead horse, but I hate to see
confusion perpetuated any more than it needs to be.

You wrote "The vast majority agrees they [tektites]are
of cosmic origin--"  Surely you mistakenly left out
the "NOT"?  Or maybe you use the word "cosmic" to
include everything in the cosmos, which includes
earth.  Most commonly though, other people use
"cosmic" to suggest something not of the earth.

There is virtually no debate about LDG.  Most listees
know that we can now point to a specific source crater
(Kebira) discovered a couple of years ago. 

You have and have seen "splash-form" LDG pieces??? 
Please don't say stuff like that in a public forum
where it can only confuse those trying to learn.  I am
sure it would take about 5 minutes to find a buyer
willing to pay over $1000 for even a small (but
convincing) example, and I might well buy it myself. 
Maybe consider adding the term "pseudo-splashform" to
your pseudo-regmaglypt theme.
  
"Tektite and impactite - different animals".  Yes, the
words mean different things, but they are not
unrelated. Virtually all (living) students of the
subject would accept that tektites are a subdivision
of impactites. Tektites are impactites, but not all
impactites are tektites.

Deep enough,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- "Sean T. Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael,
> 
> Yep - it's amazing that something so simple as a
> piece of glass has caused 
> so much churning for over 100 years.  The vast
> majority agrees they are of 
> cosmic origin, most believe that they are from
> impacts on earth, but there 
> are still those that believe the moon is directly
> involved.  I've also read 
> some other bizarre ideas - the coolest of them (to
> me) was the idea that the 
> reason tektites are not always formed is that maybe
> they come from the 
> impact of a huge ball of silica glass that slams
> into earth - A big 
> meteorite just made of glass... how cool would that
> be.
> 
> So far, everything I read simply states that
> tektites come from multiple 
> sources.  And don't worry about the "noob" stuff -
> I've only been diving 
> into this for a few months, so I'll still say
> something way off base (as 
> Doug points out with my "still a lot of debate"
> comment.)  It's almost 
> always wrong to make any general statement about
> tektites as a whole... the 
> LDG debate is still ongoing as to how it was formed,
> but most people tie it 
> to an impact event, and as an impactite.  I've seen
> pictures (and have a few 
> pieces) of LDG that show some of the splash-form
> types of characteristics of 
> tektites, but nothing with a "crust" or a true
> regmaglypts.
> 
> - Tektite and impactite - different animals.
> 
> - LDG and Darwin glass - Terrestrial - it really
> helps that there are 
> inclusions that are of the local material stuck in
> them.  They also have a 
> slightly higher concentration of water (in ppm) that
> make them different 
> than a true tektite.  The shaping that is seen in
> those glasses is not as 
> nearly as convincing as the Australasian glasses.
> 
>  -Ventifacts is the more correct answer.  But
> considering the company that 
> tektites keeps with our other cosmic collectibles,
> I'm gonna stick with 
> pseudo-regmaglypts until someone beats me up.
> 
>  - Yes - there are a lot of good documentation that
> spells out the 
> composition of tektites.  (Get Povenmire's book and
> McCall's book).  The 
> chemical composition of the tektites is the thing
> that really drives a lot 
> of the controversy.  The glass, in many cases, is
> very pure and free of 
> water - it's hard to say how it was made since it
> breaks a few of the glass 
> making rules and regulations :)  They have found
> tektite like material on 
> the moon (if it was found here on earth no one would
> have argued that it was 
> not a tektite), but they are very small.  It was
> thought that the first 
> trips to the moon would have seen and brought back
> big, standard lots of 
> tektites if that is where the originated - but they
> did not.  many people 
> changed their minds on the lunar origin after the
> moon landings.  When they 
> found microtektites on the moon, they ascribed them
> to impacts on the 
> moon... after all, it is generally accepted that the
> moon and the earth are 
> made from each other, so there will always be
> similarities.
> 
> Another fun origin note:
> John O'Keefe was another of the proponents of the
> lunar origin of tektites. 
> He died in 2000, and on his funeral program he had
> wanted the following 
> phrase added:
> "Tektitae De Luna Sunt!" - "tektites are from the
> moon!"
> That's conviction.
> 
> Sean.
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Gilmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2008 11:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Atmospheric ablation
> marks on Tektites?
> 
> 
> > Hi!
> >
> > Ok, now I figuring out this tektite issue.  I want
> > to thank ev

Re: [meteorite-list] Atmospheric ablation marks on Tektites?

[Norm Lehrman]

Mike,

I'm not aware of any LDG that retains preserved
external primary skin, so we don't even know what
morphology or skin LDG may have once had.  What you
see now is mostly the result of desert sand-blasting
by saltating sand grains.  It can look "oriented", and
indeed it is, but with respect to prevailing surface
winds, not atmospheric re-entry. Many pieces of LDG
can properly be termed "ventifacts".

The australasians, and in particular, the australites
certainly do have all sorts of thermal ablasian
features, and when it comes to orientation, flanged
buttons exceed the perfection of any meteorite.  This
is "orientation" exactly as we intend the word in
meteoritics.

With tektite discussions, one answer rarely fits
all---

Cheers,
Norm
(of http://tektitesource.com , temporarily on hold
while we are stationed in Tanzania for a few years).
--- Michael Gilmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Group!
> 
> While reading through another Meteorite-related
> message board on the WWW, I ran across a statement
> by
> an IMCA member that puzzles me somewhat.  A
> discussion
> about Libyan Desert Glass was ongoing, and we were
> sharing photos of our LDG specimens.  (and I showed
> off my new 9+ gram piece of dark-veined glass from
> Michael Farmer - thanks Mike!)
> 
> So the guy says :
> 
> "This is one of my favorites and is fully oriented
> with regmaglypts (yes, tektite impactites can have
> atmospheric ablation patterns too)."
> 
> Ok, here is my confusion - I was under the
> impression
> that tektites were formed on impact - on Earth.  So,
> doesn't this mean they cannot have atmospheric
> ablation patterns?  Assuming the tektite never
> passed
> through the atmosphere, I don't see how this is
> possible.
> 
> I have seen tektites with features that resemble
> regmaglypts and orientation, but this is just chance
> occurence, right?
> 
> Or do I need to be schooled here?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY Slag for sale

[Norm Lehrman]

Kevin & list,

The torch test described on our website helps to
distinguish between natural glasses and tektite glass,
but it may not help with glassy industrial slags. 
Such materials have already been heated to a molten
state for an extended period and will have exsolved
much of their volatile content.  Consequently, they
will likely behave similarly to tektite glass.  I have
just added a note to our website tektite tests page to
help avoid this confusion.

Cheers,
Norm
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--- kevin decker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


-

Georgia is rich in Iron ore mining/smelting.I just
yesterday was given some black glassy chunks.I thought
h..Impact material/tektite?..I mean these chunks
are Huge!..I just today did the test described on
Norms site "the Tektite Source"..with an oxy/acetylene
torch.I didn't froth up like pic 1,but instead looks
like pic 2..I held the torch there for more than a
minute..and it reached Incandescent stage,,blinding
hot.I don't know what to think of this material,the
largest chunk I picked up today,weighs,an astounding
14 pounds!...(and that was just a chunk off a much
bigger peice) Alot of this material has lechatelierite
threads.
It also has microscopic Iron Spherules,along with
bigger chunks of Iron,some looking like Sikhote-Alin
material.(sculpted Shrapnel).Color is a light yellow
to a light green,but looks black,
The veiw inside these, show bubbles with what I take
as bubble trails,the Bubbles get bigger as they
approach the surface.Any Ideas?..I just bought a cheap
Kodak Digital cam..and will take some pics tomm,then
I'll get them developed and put on a cd.   Best
regards,


Kevin W.L.Decker

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBAY Slag for sale
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 15:35:37 EDT
>Colorado is very rich in slag too.
>For nearly a century CF & I operated a large smelter
just south of Pueblo.
>There are still "hills" of slag all around it. And
slag was found to be cheap
>and very practical to build the under-laying layers
of roads and rail-road
>tracks, it is solid and does not shatter in winter.
>Result: it is everywhere!
>And I am regularly handed some at local mineral
shows.
>
>Anne M. Black
>_www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com)
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])
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>---
>
>In a message dated 7/6/2007 8:53:47 A.M. Mountain
Daylight Time,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>At 14:59 05-07-07 Thursday, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> >I don't know why this slag tests positive for
nickel, but it does!
>
>
>People have been making iron and disposing of the
>waste for several hundred years in this area and
>much of the US. The most common kinds of local
>meteorwrong I encounter are hematite nodules -
>iron ore - that weather out of the local
>limestone. This stuff has been used as feed
>stock for mom-and-pop iron smelting operations in
>the Ozarks since the 1800's. As Tom Phillips
>said, the processes were not as efficient as
>today, so a lot of iron metal was left
>behind. People have brought us all kinds of
>glassy stuff with metal in it, one of which even had
the imprint of a bolt:
>
>http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m026.htm
>
>
>Two months ago a fellow came to my office with
>the ugliest 60-lb chunk of iron I've ever
>seen. He'd dug it up while "grub hoeing" in
>south St. Louis Co. There was no smooth surface,
>it was very rusty, and it was full of
>cavities. It didn't "look like" an iron
>meteorites to me, but I have no experience with
>iron meteorites that have been in the ground for
>100's to 1000's of years, so I really don't know
>what to expect. In a post 2 months ago, Eric
>Twelker said "Those of us who are lucky enough to
>have hundreds or thousands of meteorites pass
>through our hands possess a store of knowledge
>that has real value to academics that haven¹t had
>this experience." I agree, and I wish I had that
knowledge!
>
>I neglected to get a photo of the thing. I did a
>quick nickel test, though, with one of those
>nickel allergy test kits and got a positive
>result*. So, I cut a piece off and analyzed it
>for the Fe, Ni, Co, Au, and Ir. Strange results:
>
> >Fe 89%
> >Ni 600 ppm
> >Co 62 ppm
> >Ir 1 ppb
> >Au 12 ppb
>
>The object cannot be a meteorite because the
>concentrations of Ni and Co are 100x too low for
>metal in any kind of meteorite. Yet, the
>concentrations of Ni, Co, Ir, and Au are all
>higher that I would expect for iron smelted from
>iron ore. More weird is that the relative
>concentrations of those elements (ratios) are not
>out of line for an iron meteorite. It's as
>though the metal is 1% iron meteorite and 99%
>pure iron. I don't know what this thing is.
>
>Similarly, a fellow from Colorado sent this photo
>and a small sample a couple of ye

Re: [meteorite-list] I am back!!!

[Norm Lehrman]

Billy,

That remark just dropped you below your point of
reference.  How absurd!

Norm


--- Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Whoopdeedo. Thought it was steve for a second there.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 18:23:58 EDT
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > 
> > Hello everybody!!
> > 
> > I am back from Ensisheim and vacation.
> > After a  very long day yesterday, made even longer
> by the hours spent in
> > the
> > Dallas  Airport watching the rain and hoping that
> my flight would be
> > allowed
> > to take  off, I got home very late and very tired.
> > Now I am cleaning up my in-box.  After deleting
> all spams, dubious offers
> > and
> > requests for help, I still have 497  emails to
> read. If yours is in that
> > pile, please be patient, I'll get to it as  soon
> as possible.
> > Talk to you again very soon.
> > 
> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] More on London Clay Microtektites

[Norm Lehrman]

Sterling & all,

You are excessively kind with your reasoned comments. 


When someone says "But the people that found
difficulty with such a composition, in my view, simply
had an inability in grasp that some things 
in heaven and earth are literally beyond the powers of
human understanding."

Aubrey, I am embarrassed for you.  How could you
endorse (by mere repetition) such mindless drivel? 
Your stock just went way down.

Good grief!

Norm




--- "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Addresing not Aubrey, but his informant... Why
> is this
> so familiar? Is there a Mystery Object Protocol that
> demands
> that things be presented obliquely, incompletely,
> and
> confusingly?
> 
> > The tektites have a high Ca content and this
> factor
> > through [THROWS?] those who expect them to
> > show substantial silica in their make up.  But the
> people
> > that found difficulty with such a composition, in
> my view,
> > simply had an inability in grasp that some things
> in heaven
> > and earth are literally beyond the powers of human
> understanding.
> 
> So, they have been analysed for bulk
> composition, then?
> 
> Calcium is high. How high? Provide percentages,
> please.
> 
> They don't show "substantial" silica? How much
> silica?
> 
> NUMBERS, please.
> 
> In fact, how about the entire bulk composition
> results?
> 
> What is their chief constituent?
> 
> If they're "glass" as claimed, they must contain
> a more than
> measurable amount of silicon dioxide. That's what
> glass is. If
> they're tektites, it is inconceivable that they
> would be silica-free.
> 
> The only thing that's beyond my "powers of human
> understanding" is what he thinks he's doing with
> this idiotic
> babble about dataless compositions and vague
> mysticism.
> Does he have data or not?
> 
> Sounds like a complete flake. I suppose another
> source can
> be added to the list of possible origins: a night in
> the lab with
> bunsen and pipette and some nice glass stock.
> 
> Shame. If they were real and from the beginning
> of the
> Eocene (55 mya) instead of the end of the Eocene (35
> mya),
> they might be evidence from an enigmatic event:
>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene-Eocene_Thermal_Maximum
> 
> Aubrey, why don't you ask him if he actually has
> any real
> data, how he got it (who did the tests), and such
> like questions,
> as, would he show it to you or let you put it on
> your website?
> 
> And, finally, despite the visual resemblance to
> microtektites,
> there is one other substance which these objects
> could be:
> Amber. Amber was formed largely 50+ mya, is often
> found in
> early Eocene deposits, is suitably durable, is
> extensively transported
> by water, assumes fluid forms, and so forth. Amber
> can absorb
> considerable calcium (buried with bird bones you
> said). If the
> chief element of its composition is Carbon, you
> might have amber...
> 
> 
> Sterling K. Webb
>
---
> - Original Message - 
> From: Aubrey Whymark
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ; 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:51 PM
> Subject: [meteorite-list] More on London Clay
> Microtektites
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> Michael Daniels, who discovered the London Clay
> tektites has recently 
> emailed me a little more information, which I'd like
> to pass on:
> 
> When it comes to your correspondent's doubts, which
> they are fully entitled 
> to submit,
> particularly suspicions raised about the possibility
> of contaminates, 
> origins connected
> with fly-ash and power stations, volcanics, yes,
> they are all familiar 
> observations con-
> cerning the particles.
> 
> And, as before, I just make the suggestion that for
> those more doubtful, 
> they come down
> here and I will gladly conduct them to the Naze when
> I shall be more than 
> appreciative to
> hear their explanations as to where I may have, in
> my enthusiasm, become a 
> little
> adventurous in my concept and having unquestioning
> belief in the antiquity 
> of the little
> glassy objects.  That might be for me an acid test,
> but actually I think 
> when they have
> better appreciation of the conditions prevailing at
> this lower London Clay 
> locality, I think I
> can win over a few potential critics.
> 
> Just to deal with a couple of questions raised by
> those who have written.
> 
> I have today once more checked the particles and
> none show any magnetic 
> properties.
> Some do have voids and there is a little evidence of
> impurities, but if that 
> is confirmed
> then just might be tiny specs of dirt or plant
> debris.
> 
> As for their pristine state, no sign of them
> suffering any ablation.  Many 
> of the fossil bird
> bones that I have collected from the Walton site are
> in such a remarkable 
> condition
> that I have had to be careful when comparing them
> with modern avian 
> elements, so
> perfect are t

Re: [meteorite-list] The Biggest Tektite?

[Norm Lehrman]

Michael,

This may be heresy, but the broad rounded grooves and
tiny pits look Muong-Nongy to me.  3 kilos is a
MONSTERous departure from any splashform known.  Give
it a close look.  Not all Muong Nongs are
conspicuously layered---

I betting Muong Nong.

Cheers,
Norm
http://Tektitesource.com


--- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As per requests I have put up some photos of my
> 3,255.6g Indochinite Tektite.
> 
> Those interested can have a look see at:
>
http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/GiantTektite.html
> 
> I believe it is only one of the largest 5 in the
> world - but I
> think it may be the one in best ("flawless")
> condition of those 5.
> Best wishes, Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] the biggest tektite ?

[Norm Lehrman]

Anne, Sterling, Zelimir & all,

Hal Povenmire has a nice tabulation in his book
"Tektites: a Cosmic Enigma" (2003).
Here are a few additions from that list:

Bohemian moldavites: 500 gms (Sorry Anne; not a
contender)
Moravian moldavites: 265.5 gms
Java: 750 gms
Georgia: 70.5 gms
Bediasites: 200.8 gms
Thailand: 456 gms

in all cases not including Muong Nong types.

The biggest remaining Rizalite in Futrell's collection
991.7 gms.

I have a bunch of Povenmire's 2003 revision at $20
each if anyone is interested in acquiring one.

Cheers,
Norm
http://Tektitesource.com


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In a message dated 5/24/2007 3:40:24 P.M. Mountain
> Standard Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Hi, Zelimir,  List
> 
> Just from searching the
> internet, I compiled  this list
> of the Biggest Tektite (excluding
> layered tektites)  from:
> 
> Australia.437  g.
> Czechoslovakia..258.5 g.
> Ivory Coast  79  g.
> Malaysia.464 g.
> Philippines1069  g.
> 
> I couldn't find any mention
> of the largest  Vietnamite, but
> here's a site with a study of 203
> Vietnamese  tektites:
>
_http://www.edamgaard.dk/Copy%20of%20VietnamTektites%20edj.htm_
> 
>
(http://www.edamgaard.dk/Copy%20of%20VietnamTektites%20edj.htm)
> 
> 
> Sterling  K.  Webb
>
---
> 
> Very interesting, Sterling.
>  
> And what is the largest Moldavite known?
> I just acquired a big one, a nice tear-drop shape,
> 6.5 cm long, 39 grams  
> exactly.
> Am I in the running?
>  
> 
> Anne M. Black
> www.IMPACTIKA.com
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> President,  I.M.C.A. Inc.
> www.IMCA.cc
>  
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] To Africa? what do you do?

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I've had a bunch
of (mostly) off-list questions about what I do that
gets us transferred to places like Africa.

I'm an exploration geologist, now working mainly with
gold, employed by a big gold company.  I've got 39+
years in the field and have worked every continent
except Antarctica.  On the side, I spent about 10
years teaching part-time at college level.  A general
lust for every facet of natural history magnified the
whole thing, ultimately into the most exotic pursuit
of all, METEORITES! and their problematic progeny
TEKTITES!

All of you reading this have the bug to some degree,
and I hope you all comprehend that you're part of one
of the most extreme focus groups in science: rocks
that fall from the sky.  Samples of asteroids. 
Samples from other planets.  Samples of galactic star
dust.  Where do you go from this?

My new assignment is based in Tanzania and involves
creating the best team of explorers in Africa (and
maybe the world!).  You would be right to bet that
nobody has escaped my training camp without knowing
about meteorites, what to look for, and how & where to
look.  

I will keep our website going while we're gone, and
will keep it updated with travel-log pics and
narratives.  I won't have access to our inventory for
2-3 years, so selling will be largely on hold.  I'll
still buy when opportunity presents, so do keep in
touch.

I'll remain on the list.  This is not a good-bye
(unless the crocs or tsetse flies or mosquitoes
win--). Our address and phone and email will change,
and will be posted to our website.  But if you want to
buy anything, ask soon---  Very soon.

Cheers,
Norm

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[meteorite-list] AD: Moving to Africa---Taking final orders

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

I'm being transferred to Tanzania for a few years and
our inventory will mostly or all be in storage.  If
there's anything you want, I can cover you for about a
month, then I'm not sure---

Mention the met list or IMCA when you order and take
off 15%.

It sounds pretty cool.  My main area of responsibility
will extend from Lake Victoria around the Serengeti to
Kilimanjaro with coaching functions for the rest of
the continent.  Hopefully there'll be some
opportunities to push the meteorite envelope a bit---

Cheers,
Norm Lehrman
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Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for hunting success story

[Norm Lehrman]

Michael & all,

Here's a quick successful hunt story for you.  I was
headed home from a project in rural Nevada  about a
week ago and had a few hours to spare, so I dropped in
on a dry lake near the road home.  

In two hours I had about 20 small fragments but huge
dust devils were circling me like a pack of wolves. 
Several times I started to run for the truck for cover
when the storm just dissolved away.  At one point I
looked up to check the threatening dust and to my
surprise, a pickup was emerging from the cloud. One
can go a week out here without seeing another soul
(except for the Navy boys streaking by overhead), so
it's always startling to meet someone like this.  It
turned out to be Robert Verish and his wife, Beth. 
Like me, they hadn't set out to hunt meteorites but
were passing by and couldn't resist.  It turned out to
be a good day for all of us.

All up, I covered 4.9 kilometers on foot in a little
over five hours and recovered 58 stones, including one
with very fresh heavy fusion crust, certainly a
distinct fall from the others which were all visually
similar.  Despite the fairly short day, this was a new
personal record for me.  (Actually, I stopped at 60,
but two of them flunked closer inspection at home---).
 

Beth Verish found a very nice crusted nearly complete
individual about an inch in diameter and another
fairly big 20-30 gm piece (as well as a nice bunch of
smaller pieces).  When I left, the Verishes were still
going strong and had a nice collection.

I individually photograph each piece in situ, take a
GPS fix, and bag each one with coordinates, date and
time.  Taking the time required for this process into
account, I was finding a new specimen after every
three or four minutes of search time!  Not a bad day!

Cheers,
Norm
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--- Michael Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I'm not looking for details such as location, type,
> or any of that  
> but, I need a meteorite hunting success story fix. 
> Anyone have a  
> recent one they would at least acknowledge on list?
> 
> Coming up empty-handed so far this year... Michael
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Re: [meteorite-list] [meteorite_sale] Iron Meteorite for sale

[Norm Lehrman]

All,

The same guy tried to sell me an achondrite earlier
today:

"Hi,
I'm Bob Frankline an American resident presently on a
volunteer mission 
at the Shisong Catholic Hospital(NW) of Cameroon,and
an ardent lover of meteorites.I have a NWA
achondrite(ahow), weighs 735g for sale.It was 
found in 2005 in the North West African Desert and i
happened to have bought it  while i was in
Mauritania.It is very nice looking.I'm offering it at
a reasonable price of $1700.If you're interested 
please do get incontact 
with me.
Thanks
 Frankline


Be careful out there!
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com


--- Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Bob, Lists,
> Beware of a seller calling himself Bob Frankline,
> who is attempting to
> pass off a Chinga (currently on the Labenne webside,
> weight 499g) as a
> Mauritanian/NWA iron of any weight (he stated that
> it weighed 1091g).
> 
> I did some sleuthing; the picture that was sent to
> me sure looked like
> a Chinga, so I searched for Chinga meteorites on
> google and the third
> hit was, well, it showed me the very same picture
> that I'd been sent
> of his "1091g Mauritanian meteorite."
> 
> See here for the picture that he sent to me:
> 
>
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/wals.jpg
> 
> and here for the Labennes' site and the identical
> image:
> 
>
http://www.meteorites.tv/index.html?lang=en-us&target=d428.html
> 
> The seller stated that it had been "analysed in
> polytechnique de Vincent
> Bordeaux,in France when [he] was on transit to
> Cameroon from Mauritania."
> I tend to be trusting with such things, but this was
> an odd story, so
> I asked for more pictures/information, etc.
> 
> He said that he would prefer to leave it uncut, but
> that it had aready
> been analysed with the following results:
> 
> Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite and
> 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> 
> Load of crap, as you can see, both the data and the
> fact that it was
> analysed without being cut.
> 
> So...beware of a 'Bob Frankline' or old material
> being passed off as a
> 'new NWA iron.'  If the story's suspicious, or the
> irons doesn't look
> like a desert iron, just me mindful...
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> 
> 
> On 5/2/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> > Hello Janson,
> > I would not want to temper with this whole
> fragment.
> > I want to sell it in it's natural form.
> > This meteorite was analysed in polytechnique de
> Vincent
> > Bordeaux,in France when i was on transit to
> Cameroon from Mauritania.
> > Thanks.
> > Frankline.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 5/1/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Again Bob,
> > > Could you please send a picture of the cut
> surface?  Doesn't have to show the micro-etch - I
> know that would be hard to capture, but just
> something to give a rough idea.
> > > Also, could you please send a little more on the
> history - such as where you had it analysed, etc?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jason
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 5/1/07, frankline bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello Janson,
> > > > See picture attached.
> > > > Structurally it's microsrstucture is
> plessite-like,It
> > > >  lacks the troilite crystals and very smooth.
> > > > It is highly attracted to a magnet also.
> > > > Chemically it contains 26.7%Ni,76%martensite
> and 24%taesite,0.072ppm Ge
> > > > 0.177ppm Ga and finally it is 11.7ppm Ir.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/30/07, Jason Utas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello Bob,
> > > > > Pictures would be much appreciated - do you
> have any more information on it as well?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jason
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/24/07, bob_frank2005
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > I'm Bob Frankline an American resident
> presently on a volunteer mission
> > > > > > at the Shisong Catholic Hospital(NW) of
> Cameroon.I have an iron
> > > > > > (ataxite) meteorite,very rich in Nikel(Ni)
> and weighs 1091gms.It was
> > > > > > found in 1997 in Mauritania and i happened
> to have bought it while i
> > > > > > was in that Country.It is very nice
> looking.I'm offering it at a
> > > > > > reasonable price of $800.If you're
> interested please do get contact
> > > > > > with me.contact me at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for photo.
> > > > > > Thanks Frankline
> > > > > >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite Surface Question- Please Zap if I'm out of place

[Norm Lehrman]

Mike & list,

If I take your "machined and polished like flat"
wording literally, I don't think I've ever seen
anything (natural) where I would use such words. Maybe
yours are machined and polished. Feel free to send me
some photos of what you are talking about.

The elongate hollows are likely the interiors of
bubbles.  Perhaps your "flats" are the same, but it
would be very uncommon for them to approach truly
flat, as in "planar".  

If we ignore the idea of planar and just focus on
ornamentation contrasts, one commonly sees "bald"
spots on splatforms, which seem quite clearly to be
thin patches of brittle skin that have popped off of
variably plastic interiors on impact.

Also, particularly with the "onion" type of splatted
tear, there is usually a marked contrast between an
unpitted, stretched upper surface and a deeply pitted
base.  The latter resembles the texture of molten
metal poured onto a very wet surface, where the
resulting steam pockets pit the base.  I've often
wondered if this is a clue that tektites fell during a
very widespread rainy (monsoon) season when most of
southeast Asia was wet.  This might also help to
explain why we never see anything embedded in the
impact surface of a plastic tektite.

Cheers,
Norm
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--- Mike Groetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good Morning-
> I understand this is a meteorite group- but may
> I
> please ask a tektite question to get some opinions?
> Many of the tektites I own seem to have almost
> "machined and polished like flat" surfaces on them.
> Some have elongated hollow areas- again smooth
> inside.
>  It is almost like the molten glass set up on smooth
> flat or elongated surfaces.
> The balance of the same tektites' surfaces are
> worn and pitted from reentry, weathering, etc..
> In other words- these areas look totally out of
> place to me but seem to be common in some of mine
> and
> in photos that I have seen.
> Understanding that tektites are of questionable
> origin and formation to begin with- would any of you
> please offer suggestions as to what you think may
> cause these out of place surfaces?
> 
> Thank You
> Mike Groetz
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Re: [meteorite-list] National Geographic Re-Airing "Ancient Astroid", the origins of Libyan Desert Glass

[Norm Lehrman]

Jerry & list,

I didn't see the program (nor will I since we kicked
out the TV over 30 years ago---), so I'm not
completely qualified to respond.  But quite often, I
see solved mysteries kept alive and milked well beyond
their expiration date.  

With the discovery of the Kebir crater in exactly the
predicted target rocks a couple of years ago, I
accepted that we had a conclusion for the long-missing
source of Libyan Desert Glass.

If this new program presents something contradicting
this, I would be glad to hear of it.  Otherwise, it's
old news for most interested people, which might well
explain a lack of response to your post.

Cheers,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- Gerald Flaherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi List,
> In response to Anne Black's picture of LDG in 
> Michael Johnson's "Rocks From 
> Space" a few days ago I posted news of a TV program
> concerned with one 
> theory of the origins of Libyan Desert Glass.
> I didn't get much of a response from the List. I'm
> not sure why unless this 
> subject is not of interest to anyone or everyone is
> comfortable with their 
> personal understanding of the origins of LDG.
> Yet if anyone is so inclined, that show, "Ancient
> Astroid", will be aired 
> again on Tuesday April 3, at 12:00 noon Eastern
> Daylight Time on "The 
> National Geographic Channel". And Oh, you're welcome
> in advance to anyone to 
> whom this notice might apply.
> Have a good evening.
> Jerry Flaherty 
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Re: [meteorite-list] more gao please

[Norm Lehrman]

Steve,

What a superb collection!  The list may give you a bad
time, but no one can doubt your enthusiasm.  Congrats
on a magnificent effort.  Credit where it is due!

Regards,
Norm
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--- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good evening list.I see the list is running slow
> again.Well not for me.They say you can never get
> enuff
> of a good thing.Well I just updated my website with
> 11
> new GAO specimens on a new gao webpage.I also moved
> around a few with another name change.I am coming up
> to 5 kilo's of really truly beautiful stones.Thanks
> to
> mike farmer for these 11 beauty's.Let me know what
> you
> think.View at your liesure.
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
>   Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!!
>   www.chicagometeorites.net
>   Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] CALIFORNIA-REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST - Final

[Norm Lehrman]

Ken,

Congrats to you for pursuing this to a conclusion. 
They aren't always this receptive to dissenting
opinions.  Once in a while, it works, and helps to
restore a bit of our confidence.

Thanks,
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com

--- ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Norm and others,
> I asked Mr. Rant to examine the specimen for growth
> rings. He replied:
> 
> "Due to the interest by others and the quandary it
> presents (experts are 
> puzzled!) I have removed the item from eBay until a
> qualified expert 
> evaluates the stone.
> 
> "It never occurred to me that a local petrified wood
> expert lives four 
> houses down from me.  I called him up and asked if
> he would give me his 
> professional opinion to a problem stone in my
> possession.  I just 
> returned from a visit with him.
> 
> "He not only instantly recognized this specimen as
> petrified wood but 
> was able to give a close approximation of the type
> of hardwood it was.  
> He believes my specimen is from American Chestnut or
> Giant Chinkapin.  
> He described the cell structures as the reasons why
> he believes that is 
> what it is.
> 
> "I asked him if there was any doubt whatsoever in
> his opinion, even one 
> or two percent doubt.  Zero doubt--it is petrified
> wood with 100 percent 
> certainty!  The only doubt is the type of tree;
> could certainly be wrong 
> in that area of his opinion.
> 
> "So, you were persistent and hung in there.  Thank
> you so much for 
> helping me with this auction.  I will relay similar
> information to those 
> others who were also puzzled.  I was totally fooled
> on this one, which 
> will make me more aware next time.
> 
> "I will stick to selling what I am more comfortable
> with from now 
> on--you know, stuff with a label on it. :-) Best
> regards, Kenneth Rank"
> 
> Norm, Thanks for solving this and restoring the
> credibility of geologist 
> worldwide (or until the next non-List geologist
> deems an obvious 'wrong' 
> to be a genuine meteorite :>)
> 
> Best,
> ken
> 
> 
> 
> Norm Lehrman wrote:
> 
> >Ken and list,
> >
> >This image:
> >http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG
> >
> >looks highly silicous, which could explain the lack
> of
> >streak.  Am I imagining it, or can you detect some
> >concentric banding, convex towards the upper left
> >(opposite the saw marks)?  If that's real, this may
> >well be petrified wood!  Surely the seller would've
> >recognized that---
> >
> >Norm
> >http://tektitesource.com
> >
> >--- ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Hi Norm and others,
> >>Thanks for your reply.
> >>The photos do not show up well in the little ebay
> >>viewer so here are 
> >>three urls.
> >>http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG
> >>http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/59/e233_3.JPG
> >>http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/6b/a18e_3.JPG
> >>
> >>I asked about a streak test, Mr. Rank replied:
> >>"No, I did not do a streak test, but I did one
> just
> >>now per your request.
> >>The finding is negative for any color
> whatsoever--no
> >>blacks, rust,
> >> hematitic, ochre, or yellows present. Thank you
> for
> >>the interest."
> >>
> >>Very curious reply (in my opinion) when looking at
> >>the red interior of 
> >>the photos.
> >>Best,
> >>Ken
> >> 
> >>
> >>Norm Lehrman wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Ken and all,
> >>>
> >>>How embarassing for geologists everywhere and
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>another
> >>
> >>
> >>>general downer for serious meteorite people. 
> This
> >>>stuff is frustrating and sad.  I hate seeing
> people
> >>>ripped off.
> >>>
> >>>My bristles go up everytime someone says: "I know
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>it's
> >>
> >>
> >>>real 'cause I had a geologist look at it---"
> >>>
> >>>As a career practicing geologist with over
> 10-years
> >>>college-level teaching on the side, I can assure
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>you
> >>
> >>
> >>>that most geology curricula do not include ANY
> >>>significant training or information regarding
&

Re: [meteorite-list] CALIFORNIA-REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST FINDS HOBBY WITH EBAY

[Norm Lehrman]

Ken and list,

This image:
http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG

looks highly silicous, which could explain the lack of
streak.  Am I imagining it, or can you detect some
concentric banding, convex towards the upper left
(opposite the saw marks)?  If that's real, this may
well be petrified wood!  Surely the seller would've
recognized that---

Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Norm and others,
> Thanks for your reply.
> The photos do not show up well in the little ebay
> viewer so here are 
> three urls.
> http://i7.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/94/59/e4ce_3.JPG
> http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/59/e233_3.JPG
> http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/94/6b/a18e_3.JPG
> 
> I asked about a streak test, Mr. Rank replied:
> "No, I did not do a streak test, but I did one just
> now per your request.
> The finding is negative for any color whatsoever--no
> blacks, rust,
>  hematitic, ochre, or yellows present. Thank you for
> the interest."
> 
> Very curious reply (in my opinion) when looking at
> the red interior of 
> the photos.
> Best,
> Ken
>  
> 
> Norm Lehrman wrote:
> 
> >Ken and all,
> >
> >How embarassing for geologists everywhere and
> another
> >general downer for serious meteorite people.  This
> >stuff is frustrating and sad.  I hate seeing people
> >ripped off.
> >
> >My bristles go up everytime someone says: "I know
> it's
> >real 'cause I had a geologist look at it---"
> >
> >As a career practicing geologist with over 10-years
> >college-level teaching on the side, I can assure
> you
> >that most geology curricula do not include ANY
> >significant training or information regarding
> >meteorites, much less, their identification.
> >
> >It is true that we geologists see a lot of earth
> rocks
> >and are in a generally advantageous position to
> >recognize something out of the ordinary when we see
> >it, but I have described to this list before that
> in
> >well-intentioned nievete, I used to pass around
> some
> >fine SLAG pieces as examples of meteorites.
> >
> >Everyone, please be advised that, in general,
> >professional geologists and geological academicians
> >know less about meteorites than list members! 
> Anyone
> >reading this has been exposed to more meteorite
> >information on this list than any geologist gets in
> >multi-degree training unless they are involved in a
> >course of study specifically involving meteorites!
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Norm
> >(http://tektitesource.com)
> >
> >--- ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>Check out this professional geologist's 'Ureilite
> >>meteorite with diamonds.'
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300094532355
> >  
> >
> >>(see question at bottom also, the 'professional
> >>geologist' info is found 
> >>on his 'me' page)
> >>
> >>Does the cut face of this 'non magnetic meteorite'
> >>look like ordinary 
> >>hematite to anyone else?
> >>
> >>As far as the "obvious entry FUSION coating",
> >>remember this?
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~wrongs/auctions/2255992757.htm
> >  
> >
> >>Follow-up:
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>http://home.earthlink.net/~meteorwrong/auctions/2260392588.htm
> >  
> >
> >>Continuously amazed,
> >>Ken Newton
> >>http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/updates.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] CALIFORNIA-REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST FINDS HOBBY WITH EBAY

[Norm Lehrman]

Ken and all,

How embarassing for geologists everywhere and another
general downer for serious meteorite people.  This
stuff is frustrating and sad.  I hate seeing people
ripped off.

My bristles go up everytime someone says: "I know it's
real 'cause I had a geologist look at it---"

As a career practicing geologist with over 10-years
college-level teaching on the side, I can assure you
that most geology curricula do not include ANY
significant training or information regarding
meteorites, much less, their identification.

It is true that we geologists see a lot of earth rocks
and are in a generally advantageous position to
recognize something out of the ordinary when we see
it, but I have described to this list before that in
well-intentioned nievete, I used to pass around some
fine SLAG pieces as examples of meteorites.

Everyone, please be advised that, in general,
professional geologists and geological academicians
know less about meteorites than list members!  Anyone
reading this has been exposed to more meteorite
information on this list than any geologist gets in
multi-degree training unless they are involved in a
course of study specifically involving meteorites!

Cheers,
Norm
(http://tektitesource.com)

--- ken newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> Check out this professional geologist's 'Ureilite
> meteorite with diamonds.'
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300094532355
> (see question at bottom also, the 'professional
> geologist' info is found 
> on his 'me' page)
> 
> Does the cut face of this 'non magnetic meteorite'
> look like ordinary 
> hematite to anyone else?
> 
> As far as the "obvious entry FUSION coating",
> remember this?
>
http://home.earthlink.net/~wrongs/auctions/2255992757.htm
> 
> Follow-up:
>
http://home.earthlink.net/~meteorwrong/auctions/2260392588.htm
> 
> Continuously amazed,
> Ken Newton
> http://home.earthlink.net/~magellon/updates.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Delay and "porphyritic"

[Norm Lehrman]

Armando , Bernd, & all,

"Porphyritic" is a textural term.  In terrestrial
igneous rocks it results from multiple-stage cooling,
but I see no reason why you can't run it backwards
with incomplete melting.  If olivine is the common
phenocryst phase, this would make sense in that it has
an extremely high melting point.  The glass would
reflect the lower melting point silicates, while the
olivine and magnetite remain, yielding a porphyritic
texture.

Cheers,
Norm
(http://TektiteSource.com)

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > What can be the reason for this messages to appear
> with a delay of 32h? AA
> 
> > porphyritic? Are you sure? The meteorites cool
> down in a single stage, I believe
> 
> Hi Armando and List,
> 
> No idea why there is such a delay! Furthermore, I do
> not know for sure about the
> "porphyritic" thing. This was not my personal
> comment but I only quoted from the
> article by Genge and Monica Grady. But Dr. Monica
> Grady is a List member, so,
> time permitting, Dr. Grady might perhaps find some
> spare moments to answer your
> question much more competently than I ever would be
> able to!
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question: Just How ...?

[Norm Lehrman]

Robert and all,

My story is a little twisted and includes some good
educational insights.  

As a field geologist, I saw everyone's curiosity
rocks.  I skipped work to go visit meteorite (wannabe)
craters that suddenly appeared in fields.

My first quality meteorwrong was a big hunk of the
infamous Montana elk hunter find, reputedly miles from
 nowhere, packed out on horseback, and ultimately
given to me.  It turned out to be cohenite, an iron
carbide, that had actually been reported in meteorites
but not known to occur naturally on earth.  For years,
I was pretty sure it was a winner.  Bit by bit, my
suspicions grew ( in sync with slowly growing
meteorite knowledge--).  Skipping to the conclusion, I
am now sure it is industrial slag.

The next very good meteorwrong came at a gold show.  A
gold dredger had found a bunch of metal fragments in
the Clackamas river in Oregon and was selling them by
the piece.  He assured me that the main mass had been
given to the Smithsonian.  I was teaching at the
community college level at the time, and wanted some
pieces to pass around.  I sorted through the pile and
picked out a couple with nice rounded shoulders with
molten spatters down the sides.  They still look
really good!  And lots of people still remember them
as the first piece of deep space/deep time that they
have ever held in their hands.  I'm now sure that they
are also slag.

Don't assume your professor knows meteorites from bat
guano!

Finally, I had gotten going on tektites and hit the
big Tucson show.  I knew Eric Olsen from emails, and
got to meet him.  I asked him to recommend a good
stony meteorite to help me calibrate my eye, and he
sold me a fine little fully crusted Gao, which I still
have, my first meteorRight!  I bought a bunch more
NWAs on that trip, and on the strength of those
calibration tools, I finally found my first for sure,
no doubt about it meteorite.

Thanks for the memories,
Norm
(http://tektitesource.com) 

--- Robert Woolard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello List,
> 
>   There was a lot of interest and positive comments
> on
> the thread concerning whether or not members still
> had
> their first meteorite. I'd like to ask a related
> question that I think might be interesting.
> 
>   The question is: How did you "find out" that it
> was
> possible to actually BUY a meteorite!?  
> 
>   I will list the most likely ways that come to my
> mind (doubtless there will be others) in no
> particular
> order:
> 
> 1.Magazine AD (such as Astronomy or Sky & Telescope)
> 
> 2.Magazine ARTICLE about collecting meteorites
> 
> 3.Catalog offering meteorites for sale
>  
> 4.Internet browsing and accidentally came across
> 
> 5.TV program, featuring Haag, Farmer, etc.  
> 
> 6.Friend was a collector and got you hooked, too
> 
> 7.You are a mineral collector, led to meteorites 
> 
> 9.You are a fossil collector, led to meteorites
> 
> 10.Auction listed meteorites up for bid
> 
> 11.Other 
> 
>   OK, that's about all the ways I can think of right
> off hand. I hope that the question is of interest. 
> 
>   And by the way, MY answer would be "#5" above, as
> I
> saw a VERY young Robert Haag on the David Letterman
> show WAY back in 1986. I was thrilled to see that
> here
> was a guy who was actually making it possible for me
> to buy my very own meteorite! I called directory
> assistance the very next day, got Robert's telephone
> number, called him, ordered 10 specimens, and
> what
> a ride it has been since!!
> 
>   Best wishes,
>   Robert Woolard  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Not and Idea for list to think about - Thanks for the feedback!

[Norm Lehrman]

Gary,

I've been on the road and am a little late, but I'll
add another vote:  You are Wy off base.  Just
relax, get to know everybody, and listen more than you
talk.  

This time, you're not a scapegoat.  You're just
getting very well earned strong reactions---  Paul and
Jim were offering "other's sales on [their] site free
of charge" before you touched your first meteorite if
I'm not mistaken.

Cheers,
Norm



--- "Gary K. Foote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Apparently nobody has noticed my attempts to offer
> other's sales on my site - free 
> of charge.  So, am I the scapegpoat of the week? 
> Looks like...  So much for 
> offering opinions that were asked for.  See ya!
> 
> Gary
> 
> > So that would be a no then!! Lol
> > 
> > 
> >  And no, I don't think it's attempt to make more
> $$ either - I also find
> > it really annoying having to spend hours on ebay
> trawling through
> > hundreds of 1g campos, rusty fake nantans,
> meteorite dog statues,
> > meteorite caravans, meteorite deep impact movie
> DVD's meteorite lamps,
> > meteorite jewelry etc etc, I think if everyone on
> this list (most of
> > whom don't sell things like the meteorite caravans
> or cosmetics etc!)
> > put a * or a standard letter code somewhere in
> their auction it would
> > allow people to cut down on the 'dross' when an
> ebay search is done...
> > 
> > And of course people can always still search for
> 'meteorite' if they
> > want a full search!
> > 
> > 
> > Best
> >  
> > Mark Ford
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 15 March 2007 16:04
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED];
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not and Idea for
> list to think about -
> > Thanks for the feedback!
> > 
> > Hi Gary,
> > 
> > Paul and Jim are the best! These guys spend a lot
> of time helping the 
> > meteorite community. Without their dedication and
> time, this list and 
> > meteorite community would not be where it is
> today.
> > 
> > 
> > Sonny
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Sent: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 6:04 AM
> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Not and Idea for
> list to think about - 
> > Thanks for the feedback!
> > 
> > Does this strike anyone else as an attempt to help
> a commercial site 
> > make more
> > $$$
> > by streamlining their output at your expense?
> > 
> > Gary
> > 
> > > If all the meteorite-lists "Sellers" added the
> same code (example
> > > "ML1947") in the title of all their auctions
> then all of the "Buyers"
> > > could search using that code and eliminate the
> junk. On our page
> > > visitors would have a choice of "All ebay
> Sellers" or "Meteorite-List
> > > Sellers" and would not have to remember any
> code.
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Re: [meteorite-list] HELP ! and, Who's still got their first meteorite?

[Norm Lehrman]

Jerry,

A superb and exemplary contribution to the list!  A
great story, informative, and exactly on-topic.  The
links were a great touch.  Thanks and well done.

I still have my first (central Nevada) find, and will
be keeping it till my last rock moves on. It likely
will be the last rock to go. (No small thing for a
career exploration geologist with thousands of
specimens!).  Most of you have seen it, but for any
that haven't, the story, with photos, is on our
website at 

http://tektitesource.com/First%20Meteorite.html

I may be slow.  It took over 30 years in the field
with a reasonably trained eye for the unusual before I
plucked number one from the ground with trembling
hands.  Now, my best single day stands at 49 pieces (I
stopped at 50, but one flunked closer inspection-).

Regards,
Norm

--- "Jerry A. Wallace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Kevin, List,
> 
> That brings to mind a fond memory.
> 
> It was in the late winter of '57 and the sun was
> barely beginning its 
> work day
> in West Texas by starting to illuminate the
> landscape through the cold, 
> gray,
> dismal, misty, low overcast morning.  I was with my
> mineralogical mentor
> on yet another trip to raid the agate beds at Marfa,
> Texas.
> 
> I was in the seventh grade at that time, so I was
> probably still about 
> 13, and
> an eager learner about anything mineralogical. My
> good friend, Mr. V. C.
> Wiggins (a former mayor of Odessa in the '30's) had
> promised me for several
> months that he would take me to the Odessa meteorite
> crater some day, and
> this was the day.
> 
> Mr. Wiggins at that time had the one and only rock
> shop in Odessa and it
> was conveniently located only a half block from the
> Junior High School I
> attended. Needless to say, most of my brown bag
> lunches were eaten in his
> shop. Then, too, he had to push me out the door in
> the evenings so he could
> close and go home. He was a fine gentleman that I
> will always miss.
> 
> We bounced down the narrow fence line dirt road for
> miles in Mr. Wiggins
> old '51 Buick until we finally arrived at what
> appeared to be a large muddy
> hump in the otherwise flat landscape. He parked with
> his headlights aimed at
> the geological anomaly and proudly exclaimed,
> "That's it!"  I'm not sure 
> what
> I was expecting, but I do recall being sorely
> disappointed in the sight. 
> That's
> just another example of reality rarely meeting
> expectations.
> 
> But what the heck, I was thrilled to be there. I
> took off at a dead run 
> up the
> muddy slope, promptly slipped and found myself
> rolling back down the muddy
> slope. I'm sure Mr. Wiggins was both amused and
> somewhat wary at the
> thought of me getting back into his Buick as a mud
> blob. We worked that out
> later with old newspapers from his trunk.
> 
> Once inside the floor of the crater, I was advised
> about more of the 
> crater's
> history and given a mental picture of what I should
> be looking for. In the
> excitement of finally being there, I had forgotten
> to bring my rock pick or
> flashlight from the car. So I took off across the
> crater floor kicking 
> at muddy
> lumps. All but one of those lumps turned out to be
> caliche. This one 
> piece that
> wasn't caliche I took over to Mr.Wiggins for
> identification.  It was 
> about seven
> inches long by three inches wide with tapered ends.
> Turns out that it 
> was indeed
> a part of the meteorite. A very rusty, crumbly part
> of the old 
> meteorite, but it was
> mine.
> 
> I then moved to the southern side of the crater and
> began clawing away at it
> with a broken branch of old mesquite. After sifting
> through the muck with my
> cold fingers I found a small black piece of
> something that obviously 
> wasn't the
> prevalent caliche. Another fast run over to the
> expert and I got the 
> good news
> that this was a keeper. I turned to resume my
> muckraking for more keepers
> but was cut short by the order to return to the
> Buick so we could get on 
> with
> the business of the day which was to extract as much
> of that fine Marfa 
> agate
> as humanly possible and still get back to Odessa
> without the expense of 
> spending
> the night on the road somewhere.
> 
> As was typical of our agate hunting trips, despite
> our best intentions 
> of leaving
> the hunting area earlier so as to get home earlier,
> we left well after 
> dark for the
> three hour trip back to Odessa. We bounced along
> with a trunk and rear 
> floorboard
> full of the prized agate, and my two pieces of the
> Odessa meteorite. As 
> usual, the
> headlights of the Buick were pointlessly pointed
> towards the stars. That 
> always made
> our trips more exciting by only having a faint glow
> of light on the highway.
> 
> So, to keep this short (HA), yes, I still have my
> first pieces of the 
> fabulous Odessa
> meteorite. Wouldn't trade them for Mr. Arnold's new
> Brenham. Well, maybe 
> the
> shale piece.
> 
> The solid piece that I recovered weighed in at 2.1g.

Re: [meteorite-list] the price per gram of tatahouine

[Norm Lehrman]

Mark & list,

Tatahouine is an exception to the bigger costs less
per gram pattern.  Due to the large crystal size in
this material and the well-developed cleavages of
pyroxene, Tatahouine shattered when it hit the
atmosphere.  Small bits dominate, biggerr pieces are
rare.  As a consequence, there is a sliding price
scale for Tatahouine, with a premium for over 5 gms,
more of a premium over 8 grams, more yet over  10,
etc.  The curve rises quickly!

Cheers,
Norm

--- mark ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Steve, 
> 
> I think you'll  find it usually works the other way
> a lower$/g for
> larger pieces and Higher $/g for smaller
> 
> (Otherwise there would be no reason for anyone to
> cut rocks into smaller
> pieces, and that would make a main mass worth less
> than the total cost
> of the cut pieces!).
> 
> Mark.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of steve
> arnold
> Sent: 27 February 2007 00:54
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] the price per gram of
> tatahouine
> 
> Good evening list.I was wondering what is the going
> price of tatahouine?I heard from one dealer who said
> it was going for between $10 to $15 per gram.I think
> that would be for the pieces under 10 grams.Then I
> have heard as high up as $55 per gram.Of course that
> would be for the larger ones.I would like to know.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> steve
> 
> Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
>   Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!!
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> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay

[Norm Lehrman]

Martin,

For an extra thousand dollars, rocks in Arizona could
crawl to Oregon!  Maybe this is the beginning of a
migration!

Regards,
Norm
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--- Martin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> But how did that Canyon Diablo found its way to
> Oregon??
> 
> Buckleboo!
> 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Im Auftrag von Norm
> Lehrman
> Gesendet: Samstag, 17. Februar 2007 23:11
> An: Mike Fowler; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Cc: Mike Fowler
> Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon
> Meteorite on Ebay
> 
> Mike & all,
> 
> That did look like a winner, but too bad about the
> crumby documentation.  The seller didn't seem very
> interested in providing anything but platitudes. 
> The
> caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon.
> 
> Cheers,
> Norm
> 
> --- Mike Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi List,
> > 
> > Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay?  23 oz
> > sold for $1026 to  
> > peterutas.
> > 
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200077988565
> > 
> > I  bid, but not that much.
> > 
> > Mike Fowler
> > 
> > Chicago
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Re: [meteorite-list] Eastern Oregon Meteorite on Ebay

[Norm Lehrman]

Mike & all,

That did look like a winner, but too bad about the
crumby documentation.  The seller didn't seem very
interested in providing anything but platitudes.  The
caliche crusts were right for eastern Oregon.

Cheers,
Norm

--- Mike Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi List,
> 
> Did any of you see this meteorite on ebay?  23 oz
> sold for $1026 to  
> peterutas.
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200077988565
> 
> I  bid, but not that much.
> 
> Mike Fowler
> 
> Chicago
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Re: [meteorite-list] you really never know what you have, till you really look at it

[Norm Lehrman]

Gang,

It'll be fun to see who can type fastest when it is
posted with a $0.01 Buy-it-now!!

Regarding the fusion crust, I have been shopping for a
nice Tatahouine, and I have been surprised at how many
little fragments actually do have tiny patches of
fusion crust.  It's mostly at a hand-lens scale, but
more often than not, there is a bit present.

Cheers (and fast typing!)
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com


--- Howard Steffic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Steve
> 
> Great Specimen.  Be sure and give us all a "heads
> up" when you put it on 
> ebay.
> 
> Thanks dude..
> 
> Howard Steffic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> >Subject: [meteorite-list] you really never know
> what you have,till you 
> >really look at it
> >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 16:28:00 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Good evening list.After finally taking time to
> really
> >look at my new 62 gram tatahouine,I see it is
> covered
> >with 50% black fusion crust.It is simply amazing.I
> >have seen many sizes of tatahouine in the last 5
> >years,but NEVER have I seen a beaut with this much
> >fusion crust.I think I got a GREAT DEAL and somehow
> >this one just got away.I wish my camera could take
> >real close up's of this beauty,but the one on my
> >website will have to do for now.This piece is just
> >amazing.Oh and please ignore the last post.That one
> >got away from me.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >steve arnold
> >
> >Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
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> >   www.chicagometeorites.net
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[meteorite-list] Sharing a positive

[Norm Lehrman]

List,  

Just a brief note to temper recent topics.  I made a
deal a while back to trade for a tektite from a deep
jungle location.  My contact had never attempted an
international shipment before, so I agreed to send my
part of the trade first.  Both of us were nervous
whether it would make it through the mail.  Finally,
it did.  Today I received the following:

"Im very happy right now because the meteorite and
meteoritic glasses have been arrived this saturday. I
will send the tektite and some unknown material that
chapadmalal-like material. Im in hurry to send the
items to you this day..
Thanks 'cause made me happy!
(name)"

This note made me happy too, so I thought I'd pass it
along.  Newbies might wonder about some of the
negative emotions visible on the list from time to
time, but there's some heart-warming good stuff that
more than makes up for it.  

Along that line, part of the fun of Tucson is shaking
hands with people we "know" from the list but are
meeting face to face for the first time.  This is a
very unique community!  Thanks to all!

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting with a magnet; suspect stones; meteorwrongs; and ramblings.

[Norm Lehrman]

Rockbiter & list,

I enjoyed your write-up.  I've always viewed the
magnet as  a tool to test things seen by the eye
rather than a collecting tool, but you've made your
point well.

Recently en route to Tucson, I spent a day in the
Arizona desert.  There are rainwater collection and
dispensing systems out there for wildlife
("guzzlers"), and these include large concrete aprons
to collect the rain.  In one of these I noted a few
gallons of particulates collected in a sediment trap
at the bottom, so I ran a magnet through this
material.  In this magnetic fraction were dozens of
tiny metallic to glassy spheres.  It seemed to good to
be true.  While it WAS what I was hoping to see, it
was just too easy.  There had been some welding in the
area building tanks and fences, so I'm concerned that
some or all of these sphereoids might be particulates
from the welding. Have you found such things away from
civilization?

Secondly, you said:

" How about a rock that looks like chrome when you
grind off a small spot and polish it a little but it
is totally not magnetic.  You can't make it leave a
streak, it never rusts and is very hard.  I have not  
found but one piece of whatever it is and am glad to
have that one to study even though it is not a
meteorite.  Believe me, I have researched this one and
although I have my suspicions about it being  
Hematite, I still am not positive about it."

For sure it is not hematite.  Hematite has the most
distinctive streak in the mineral kingdom (rusty
vermillion red even when the hematite is bright and
metallic as a silver mirror).  I am confused how you
collected it with a magnet if it is absolutely not
attracted to a magnet.  Whatever the case, there are
lots of hard, silver minerals not attracted to a
magnet,  A good bet would be ilmenite.

Cheers,
Norm http://TektiteSource.com


--- Michael Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been hunting meteorites with supermagnets for a
> little over four  
> years now.  As I am sure everyone knows, when you
> drag a magnet you  
> pick up all sorts of stuff including a lot of
> magnetite, at least  
> here where I hunt you do.  If you're interested in
> this type of  
> hunting, here is how I deal with all the metal junk,
> the magnetite  
> and the small stones.  I clean the magnet off into a
> gold pan.  I  
> then screen it all through a very fine screen to
> remove the magnetite  
> particles.  I dump the stuff left in the screen back
> into the pan and  
> I add water with a drop of dish soap and wash.  I
> use a swirl and  
> dump motion to get rid of the dirt and trash only. 
> I usually repeat  
> this process with clean water at least a couple time
> until the water  
> remains fairly clean.  I pass a magnet (not a
> supermagnet) over the  
> stones at about 1/2 to 3/4" above  and pull out all
> the bits of metal  
> and examine them somewhat closely before getting rid
> of those  
> pieces.  Don't want to inadvertently pick up a
> suspect stone and  
> through it out with the scrap.Now to have a look
> at all the  
> little stones left.  I will leave just a small
> amount of water in the  
> pan with the material so that I can still swirl the
> contents if I  
> want.  Then I take it outside in the sunlight and
> take my first  
> look.  If I don't see anything right away that gets
> my attention,  
> I'll drain all the water off and let the contents of
> the pan dry  
> completely.  Usually I just leave it sit for a day
> or so.  So when it  
> is dry, I take the pan in and put it under my mscope
> and go through  
> the contents with close scrutiny.  Sometimes, I have
> even done this  
> when the contents were still wet.  Anyway, if I see
> something that  
> sticks out as unusual and interesting, I pick it out
> and take a  
> closer look.  One quick way to separate the magnetic
> stones is to  
> place a strong magnet on the underside of the pan
> then swirl the  
> rocks for a bit over the area where the magnet is
> located.  All the  
> strongly magnetic rocks will collect in one spot. 
> Then just take the  
> magnet over them from above and lift them out.  This
> lets you get  
> down to taking a look at the magnetic rocks in a
> hurry if you so  
> wish.  I realize none of this is very scientific. 
> It's a hobby for  
> me and gives me something relaxing to do in my spare
> time and I get  
> exercise from the walks.  The thrill in it all comes
> when I actually  
> have something of extraterrestrial origin to look at
> and hold in my  
> hand.  Then I also get a lot more enjoyment out of
> studying the  
> suspect rock to find out what it could be.
> 
> After you have been through about a five gallon
> bucket full of these  
> pea-size rocks you have a real good feel for what is
> a suspect  
> meteorite or is actually a terrestrial stone (I
> guess you could call  
> some of these meteorwrongs).  I have studied the
> many, many, many  
> little "meteorwrongs" to a fairthywell.  To have a
> good meteorwron

Re: [meteorite-list] On Stretch Tektites

[Norm Lehrman]

Ma Lan & List,

"Stretch" tektites are specimens that partly broke and
bent after the skin had become brittle, but while the
interior was still semi-molten and taffy-like.

As commonly used, the term does not include
starburst-ray skin splits even though their
interpretation and significance is essentially
identical.  To fit common usage, a stretch tektite
involves a triangular skin split associated with an
equivalent angular bend in the long axis of the
specimen.  The material exposed within the split shows
a plastic, stretched character, like pulled taffy.

Nininger was first to publish on this subject,
describing two bent teardrops from Vietnam.  They are
of special interest with respect to the debate on the
origins of skin pitting in Indochinites.  Nininger
argued that the fact that the brittle part of the skin
shows pitting, but the stretched plastic part does not
(or very,very little), implies that the pitting
predated the skin split.  Since the skin split
happened while the specimen was still mostly molten,
the ornamentation disrupted by the split must have
developed in the first few minutes of the tektite's
journey.  

Conversely, the stretched part has experienced a few
minutes less exposure to soil acids than the brittle
skin. Say the brittle part is 780,000 years old. 
That's about 409,968,000,000 minutes. The stretched
part is only about 409,967,999,995 minutes old.  Could
that difference in length of exposure to soil acids
account for the observed difference in ornamentation?

I would guess the total number in collections as a few
dozen, but it is clear that they are more abundant
than that would suggest.  Cookie and I have found four
good ones in the process of handling a few hundred
thousand tektites, so the abundance is on the order of
1 in 100,000.

I can't be sure about your specimen.  In the photos I
don't see a bend in the overall specimen matching the
skin gaps.  The gaps or "saw cuts" in some deeply
ornamented specimens are due to ablation or
terrestrial corrosion and do not involve plastic
skin-splits. Unless there is an angulation in the
specimen matching a triangular skin split, it is not a
stretch tektite per common usage of the term.

The most commonly confused tektite feature is what I
call the "starburst ray" skin split that results from
point impact while the specimen is still plastic
inside.  The difference is purely semantic.  But
ultimately, common usage dictates the definition of a
word, and by this, starburst rays are not "stretch
tektites".

There is a page on our website that discusses and
illustrates stretch tektites.

Cheers,
Norm
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--- Email from Chinaren76 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi listees,
> 
> On tektites, especially unusual tektites, for
> example,
> stretch tektites, i have several questions.
> 1. what's the definition of stretch tektites from
> the
> points of science?
> 2. How were the stretch tektites created?
> 3. How many are there the known stretch tektites
> found
> by meteorite/tektite collectors nowdays?
> 
> In addition, i found one piece of tektite, with
> characteristics very similar to that of
> stretch-types,
> but i'm not sure. Please view photos from the link
> below:
> 
> http://www.esnips.com/web/TektitefromChina
> 
> 4. Is this piece a stretch one?
> 
> Any tips will be deeply appreciated.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Miss Ma Lan
> Beijng, China
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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[meteorite-list] Tucson Finds

[Norm Lehrman]

Gang,

I just posted a page on our website with pics of some
of our Tucson acquisitions that will be of interest to
some of you. Its biased towards tektites, but includes
some NWAs and a Sikhote.  Be sure to check out the
little shatter cone we found in a box of NWAs.

http://tektitesource.com/Tucson2007.htm

There's a bit of verbiage regarding the supply-side
status and pricing included.  

There are some very noticeable changes this year. 
Libyan Desert glass and Besednice moldavites were in
short supply and mostly inferior quality.  I saw two
Aussie flanged buttons at an asking price of $2300 or
$2500 each.  No Billitons, Malaysians, Borneos, Ivory
Coasts, Javans, Tibetans, Georgians, or Bediasites
that I saw.  Only a handful of Rizalites.  One dealer
had a couple of little Wabars and Irghizites. I saw
one small lot each of Aouelloul, Darwin, and
Monturaqui.  Still good supplies of Indochinites.

With the Moroccans, unclassified NWA stoneys were in
greatly diminished abundance and general quality.  I
turned down one lot at $25/kg, and if they had been
free I would've picked out one or two bits and left
the rest!  There was still some good stuff though(see
pictures).  One guy had three big stoneys over 25
kilos each.

There were about half as many Sikhotes as last year,
and bullets are now individually specimen priced. 
Last year I bought them by weight.

I'll leave commentary regarding the fancier meteorites
for those who know them better.

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] First Cold find for 2007

[Norm Lehrman]

Sonny,

Waaay to go!!!

Regards,
Norm
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>After spending about two hours of hunting I found
> a 34 gram fragment 
>  from an old weathered chondrite. The magnet jumped
> to it like a piece 
> of steel. I spent about an hour walking around
> looking for the rest of 
> the meteorite. From the looks of the fragment and
> surface that I was 
> hunting it could not be too far. I decided to try
> the metal detector on 
> the fragment, it was a real loud signal. Within
> minutes I found 4 more 
> pieces 34,17,135 grams. All of the fragments were
> buried a couple 
> inches deep. I had a loud signal about 6' from the
> first target. I 
> started digging, the first 10 " was hard dirt with
> fist sized rocks. 
> The signal got louder and I thought it must have
> been a hot rock in the 
> hole. Four more inches down under some more rocks
> was a 2.65lb chunk of 
> meteorite. None of the smaller pieces fit onto the
> large meteorite. The 
> chunk looks like a third of the meteorite.The
> fragments all look the 
> same, my guess it is all from the same meteorite. I
> will have to bring 
> a shovel and dig the hole deeper. The meteorite
> looks like it is a OC . 
> The total weight so far is 3.16 lbs. The meteorite
> is from a new area 
> with no previous finds in Nevada. I will post some
> pictures next week.
> 
> Sonny
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List- Polite Request

[Norm Lehrman]

Gary Foote,

Just in case you don't get it, this is about you.  You
are spamming the list.  Real questions? Great. 
Informative answers?  Even better.  Chit-chat? Fine,
OFF list.  There are over 600 of us.  What if everyone
posts something without content to every post?  We do
appreciate your enthusiasm.  Don't destroy that.

Mike and Mike, you are gentle souls and have been
kind.  Sometimes it has to be more direct.

Thanks,
Norm


--- Mike Bandli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have been thinking the same thing Mike, but have
> been hesitant to post
> anything with the fear of starting another flame
> war. It seems that some
> posts should not be 'Reply to all.' Not pointing
> fingers... just a little
> constructive criticism to free up the delete button.
> 
> Kind regards,
>  
> Mike Bandli
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Mike
> Groetz
> Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:08 PM
> To: Meteorite List
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List- Polite
> Request
> 
> Hi Everyone-
>I don't know how the rest of you feel about it-
> but
> may I politely ask that when some of you have maybe
> 10
> word personal responses to emails- please do not
> copy
> the entire meteorite list.
>I am still on dial up (can't get DSL, etc.. in my
> area yet) which I know is MY problem. But I wait for
> messages to open responding to an interesting
> meteorite subject only to find it is a few words
> between a couple list members that are irrelevent to
> others in the entire meteorite list.
>OK- I'll be quiet. I hope all of you had a good
> weekend and a good week coming up. Thanks for
> hearing
> me out.
> Take care
> Mike
> 
> 
>  
>

> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Close-up New Jersey Object

[Norm Lehrman]

Thanks for the better picture Adam.  From the random
abrasions and percussion pits, it looks like a
fragment from some heavy equipment part that self
destructed, then got run over for a few months on a
hard surface.  How it came to fall out of the sky is a
mystery though.  Maybe it got stuck in the tire tread
of an airplane---

Cheers/Happy new orbit to all
Norm


--- Adam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Here is a close-up of the New Jersey object:
> 
> http://themeteoritesite.com/Jersey.jpg
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Adam
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] tips on transporting meteorites.

[Norm Lehrman]

Graham,

With heightened airport security, you may have trouble
with carry-ons.  I tried bringing a couple of good
sized Campo del Cielo irons in that way.  No problems
in Argentina or Chile, but when I hit the USA they
caused great consternation.  The security screeners
couldn't find anything about meteorites in their
reference manuals, but they finally decided that big
lumps of iron were dangerous weapons, and  forced me
to check them (which became my third piece of checked
luggage and cost an additional $80!).

Good luck!
Norm
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--- ensoramanda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> We have now booked our flights to go to the Tucson
> show..so will be 
> definately there.
> 
> So now for a question to all you well travelled
> hunters and dealers.
> 
> Now supposing I buy up several amazing specimens at
> the show :-) ...does 
> anyone have any tips about transporting them back to
> the UK.
> 
> Would it be best to ship themor it seems more
> sensible to bring them 
> back on the plane...but what are the snags of
> carrying meteorites in 
> luggage across the atlantic or within the USA...eg
> in stowed or hand 
> luggage?
> 
> What are the regulations?
> 
> Any tips most welcomeand thanks already to all
> those who have helped 
> me so far with planning my visit.
> 
> Graham Ensor   Near Barwell UK
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] More California Meteorite Finds!

[Norm Lehrman]

Ruben,

Congratulations on a truly amazing couple of weeks!! 
Most collectors dream of finding ONE in their
lifetime.  It is inspiring to see what can happen when
you get out there with enough knowledge to recognize a
keeper when you see it.  Make no mistake, it's not
easy, but when preparation and circumstance meet, the
face of the earth is a compound strewn field!

Cheers,
Norm


--- Ruben Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
> Here's some recent California Meteorite Finds.
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com/californiafindspart2.htm
> 
> The prior weeks finds:
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com/californiafindspart1.htm
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> 
> Ruben Garcia
> Phoenix, Arizona
> http://www.mr-meteorite.com
> 
> 
>  
>

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites????

[Norm Lehrman]

Michael,

Nothing in your photos looks remotely suspicious. 
Most look to be stream-rounded quartzite pebbles. 
Disseminated magnetite is the likely culprit.

Some of today's magnets are just too good.  I've put
away my big hard-drive monster that will pull nails
out of fences and opted for a small telescoping
neodymium magnet.  Still very strong, but it produces
a better contrast between meteorites and wannabes. 
Like Chris said in another reply to your post, with a
monster magnet it is not uncommon to find areas where
nearly everything gives a response.  I've seen places
in Arizona with nuggets of pure magnetite.

One thing that will usually help is to check the
streak color (rub the specimen against unglazed
porcelain or give it a stroke on your diamond hone). 
Most of the winners will give a rust red-brown powder
(and so will some losers), while magnetite will
give a black streak and a lot of the common wannabes
will give slate gray.

Good luck,
Norm
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--- Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm new to hunting for meteorites. I found a
> magnetic rock and from what I understand this could
> be a meteorite but I would like some input from
> y'all. Go to
> http://www.ladyofgreys.org/meteorites.htm and please
> let me know if there is another explanation for a
> rock being magnetic and so on
> 
>   Help is greytly appreciated.
>   Michael
> 
> 
> 
> The Krachen
> 
> http://www.ladyofgreys.org
> 
> 
> 
>   
> -
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping everybody off at least once! (OT)

[Norm Lehrman]

Johnny,  

Moody Blues, circa 1969:

First Man: I think, I think I am, therefore I am, I
think.

Establishment: Of course you are my bright little
star,
I've miles
 And miles
  Of files
  Pretty files of your forefather's fruit
 and now to suit
our
   great computer,
 You're magnetic ink.

First Man: I'm more than that, I know I am, at
least, I think I must be.

(End quote)

I always find it exhilirating when I realize that the
cosmos is fiddling with the whole fabric of reality
just to get at me.  There's a real sense of
significance in all that.  And for Ebay to mess with
their whole search engine just for you?  What can I
say?   You are truly honored.

Regards,
Norm



--- Johnny Rieben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Darren,
> 
> I just sent an email a while ago stating why ebay
> would do this.
> 
> 1. they are protecting the limited server space for
> bigger sales
> 2. they raised store and listing fees saying it 'was
> costing them more
> in hosting than it was worth'.(a clue)
> 3. they are a monopoly and do not care about the
> little guys.
> 
> Everyone thinks eBay would never turn down money but
> I say they
> wouldin exchange for BIGGER money!
> 
> P.S. I do sing it...I also shout it and scream it!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Johnny
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Johnny Rieben" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2006 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay is ripping
> everybody off at least once!
> (OT)
> 
> 
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 17:14:33 -0600, you wrote:
> 
> >guys because of 'server issues'. They arent trying
> to get rich off of
> >this they are trying to protect the server space of
> higher paying
> customers!
> 
> But the way to become a "higher paying customer" is
> to have more people see
> and
> bid on your auctions.  Intentionally making people
> get low closing costs
> doesn't
> make sense in that context.
> 
> >amounts of money than mine. I say RAGE AGAINST THE
> MACHINE!!!
> 
> But do you sing it?
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qqb-D8fcFw
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Re: [meteorite-list] Seeking Knowledge and Dealing with Meteorwrong Owners was Classification Q

[Norm Lehrman]

Elton and all,

Well said.  I too have been holding back on this
subject, but I agree strongly that to send a certain
meteor-wrong in to be examined by our small and
over-taxed group of classifiers is unconscionable.

The vision rock is a nice rock and has value as a
landscape boulder.  Most of the typical cost for such
boulders is associated with their transport costs.  I
agree with Elton:  why in the world would anyone
assume that this rock has any value beyond that?

Gary, please rethink the idea of wasting the time of
any reputable lab.  You are being a nice guy and are
very charitable towards a scam artist.  They all seem
sincere.  That's how their business works.  It is
wrong to represent such a rock as a meteorite, let
alone a Martian.  These guys hurt the credibility of
the entire meteorite community.

Deep enough,
Norm
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--- E J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello Gary, Pete, List
> 
> I've held back discussing this again as I am not the
> one on the "vision
> quest".  However, you've raised the issue of getting
> this classified aka
> lab tested--at a meteorite lab amongst other things.
> You think he can
> sell this for a sum and rebuild his failing
> ministry.  He'll make more
> in bake sales.   For Pete's sake...and mine , please
> tell us why you
> remain convinced that this is "valuable specimen"
> beyond a that of
> landscaping boulder?  "Interesting" doesn't equate
> to rare and valuable.
> If it were, my collection would be worth millions. 
> I also want to say I
> loathe going out on a limb especially working with
> photographs--there
> will always be someone near by with pruning shears
> and they have a long
> memory for when you made a bad call.
> 
> Old Man's ambush of the whipper snapper:
> There are 3 straight up reasons not requiring lab
> work that show this
> can't be a Martian meteorite-- name one? 
> 
> How to Beef Up your Knowledge Base:
> In a nut shell, a way to improve your identification
> knowledge is to get
> out and see all the rocks you can,  So when one does
> come up that you
> haven't seen before, you'll have a better basis to
> judge if it is rare
> or if it is just interesting. Additionally: read,
> read, read.  Google is
> your friend.  Get Norton's "Cambridge Encyclopedia
> of Meteorites" and 
> McSween's "Meteorites and their Parent Bodies"  Read
> them three times. 
> Study your own collection, practice describing each
> specimen to your self.
> 
> Advice from the Good Ole Boy& Girl Network:
> As far as seeking classification(?)  Trust me on
> this , your credibility
> is on the line every time you refer a specimen for
> "meteorite "
> identification and that credibility slips down the
> toilet when you send
> in an obvious meteorwrong. The way I see it is, you
> owe a duty to the
> astro-geologist you contact to not waste his/her
> time.  If you do a
> field accessment and are unable to eliminate/
> exclude an object as a
> meteorite, only then do you start considering
> recommending it to a
> meteorite lab and that only after you've floated it
> to your other
> colleagues for their input.   If you hold yourself
> out as a meteorite
> expert then you better be able to back it up with
> several the reasons it
> is not likely a meteorite or these meteorwrong
> owners will eat your
> lunch and send you packing with your tail twixed
> your legs--Because you
> did not confirm their rock as a meteorite--They
> obviously know more than
> you do!.  I re-learn the following lesson each day:
> You should not
> interfere with another's right to remain ignorant.
> No matter how much
> wishing, hoping, or praying it isn't going to turn
> this "water into
> wine".  No matter how sincere you believe this
> pastor is--his hidden
> agenda is to keep this dream alive until he can
> explain it away and face
> the reality that this was not a God send.  I assure
> you it has nothing
> to do with mineralogy. Some churches die on the vine
> for good reasons!
> Check out Luke's Gospel?--it has been a while since
> I did any church
> preaching.  I feel for you but your Dutch Uncle
> would likely advise you
> to get away from this situation as soon as you can
> extract yourself
> honoring whatever commitments you've made.   Read
> what Randy Korotev has
> to say after dealing with 1000's of meteorwrong
> owners
>

> 
> The Quest
> New Hampshire isn't a large state(nor is Vermont )
> and seems you would
> have scoured the state by now if not in person via
> google.  Google the 
> Chlorite mineral group (esp. Clinochlore) and the
> rock types 
> greenschist , blueschist, and syenite. (See the
> links way below)  I only
> have state for location, cursory description and
> photos(needing a
> reference object--coin, ruler, etc.) which you've
> taken down to go on.
> 
> The new photo makes me go back to
> Actenolite-Tremolite as I can see
> large crystals and to me this looks like other
> occurrences I

Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Self-Proclaimed Pairing Issues

[Norm Lehrman]

Thomas,

Take heart.  "Almost a year"? Try never.  The last
piece I sent to UCLA they claim to never have received
even though people visiting the lab asked about it and
were told probable preliminary classifications.  Now
they want a second piece?

Can anyone help me get the "kick me" sticker off my
back?

I don't know where the problem might be.  US mail? 
UCLA mailroom? Met lab?   I suspect the mail room. 
"Packages going to this department might have valuable
rocks."  But that doesn't explain the verbal
communications suggesting the material was in process.
 Lesson:  if you can find a way, have your material
hand carried into the hands of a respected scientist
by someone who can vouch that it was delivered.

I am very disheartened by the whole experience.

Maybe you get what you pay for.  It appears I did.

Cheers,
Norm 
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--- Thomas Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> List Members,
> There are a few people who seemingly are able to get
> meteorites classified in a matter of weeks.  I have
> been waiting for almost a year now and don't even
> have
> a number much less a classification.  Is this due to
> the volume supplied by some and the consequent
> revenue
> to the institution or what is the reason for the
> inequity?
> I would appreciate some answers to the list on this
> matter.
> Thank you,
> Thomas H. Webb
> 
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[meteorite-list] Ad: Nevada Meteorite as found IN MATRIX

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

Here's a heads up on something kind of neat.  A few
days ago I stopped at my favorite central Nevada dry
lake and collected several specimens complete with the
dessicated lake bed surface in which they were
embedded.

I just posted the first one to ebay.  See it at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6624425370


This makes a really interesting display piece and
comes with exact find coordinates.

If anyone would like a bigger version of this---say a
square foot or so of lake surface complete with a
meteorite, let me know and I'll try to collect one for
you on my next trip out.  I'm still experimenting with
approaches to stabilizing the material, but
water-diluted Elmer's glue seems to work well without
any obvious changes in appearance.  This could make a
really cool framed wall mount!

Cheers,
Norm
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[meteorite-list] Ad: MetTimes Tektite of the Month specimens posted

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

I've built a new page offering some specimens of the
controversial bubble blisters or impact welded
tektites featured by Paul Harris in the current
Meteorite Times "Tektite of the Month" column.  Be
sure to check the MetTimes archive for an earlier
column in the March 2003 issue.

I have included examples that I think are definitive. 
Have a look.

http://tektitesource.com/Tektite%20Bubble%20blisters.htm

Cheers,
Norm
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[meteorite-list] meteorite magnetic polarization?

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

I just received several nice big 0.5 - 1 kg stony NWAs
(unclassified).  One of them shows distinct magnetic
polarity.  One face repells the magnet.

Is that common?  Any particular significance?  

regards,
Norm
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Times tektite of the month

[Norm Lehrman]

Paul,

I tried to send this off list, but the email link
doesn't work.

With all due respect, you are selling an idea as fact.
 Ideas are fun and should be unconstrained.  But don't
present them as done deals.  I have dozens of
specimens of this sort.  They are so uniform that they
cannot be the random melding of two tektites.  I don't
claim to know what they are for sure (and I don't even
deny that you could be right, but I don't think so). 
I have one that is developed  on a bubble shard and
the convex exterior feature corresponds with a concave
interior feature, suggesting it was a bubble about to
erupt. This is quite fatal to your interpretation.

Tektites are particularly fun because there are still
questions like this that even us kids have a shot at
solving.  But don't foist a simple idea, as fine as it
may be, on the believing public as fact.  It is a fine
idea.  And almost surely wrong.  Sorry.  But if you
want to buy a whole bunch of these, let me know!

Norm
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 3, 2006

[Norm Lehrman]

Susan et al,

I agree.  And you've gotta give that baby a little
credit too!

Just kidding, 
Norm 
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--- batkol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i don't think i've ever seen a cuter meteorite on
> this page . . . .  take 
> care
> susan
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
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> Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture
> of the Day - April 3, 
> 2006
> 
> 
> > http://www.spacerocksinc.com/April_3.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Ignored or List Not Working?

[Norm Lehrman]

Gary,

That's just a thin translucent septum.  What you are
seeing is the normal transmitted light color of most
australasians.  You can only see it along thin edges
or where there's a shallow internal bubble.

Regards,
Norm
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--- "Gary K. Foote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Dirk,
> 
> This is the best shot of the green ridge I could
> get.  My camera kept wanting to focus on 
> the body of the tektite or on the background.  The
> green ridge is centered 
> longititudinally along the specimen's axis in the
> middle of a smooth, shiny spot that 
> looks like it may have remained melted for a time
> after the major portions of the piece 
> solidified.
> 
> Pic is here;
> 
>
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/green-tektite.jpg
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> 
> On 10 Mar 2006 at 8:56, drtanuki wrote:
> 
> > Gary,
> >   If you have images of your green edged
> Indochinte I
> > will gladly give it a look. Depending on the
> thickness
> > of the glass some appears yellow-green to a
> > blackish-green.  Oxides of iron in indochines and
> > other tekties usually produce greens, yellows,
> yellow
> > greens, brown greens.  The missing color for iron
> > oxides in glass are reds and blues.
> >   Darryl Futrell once emailed me that he had a
> sample
> > of a blue impact glass, later we lost contact so
> the
> > exact location is unknown except Argentina
> > (Patagonia).  He claimed that there were 100+
> pound
> > masses of it.
> > 
> >   Messages are coming through but have been busy
> > without sleep for more than 3 days at this moment.
> 
> > Dirk...Tokyo
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] An interesting (?) Chinese tektite

[Norm Lehrman]

Dirk,

As I wrote earlier, I have seen this patina on old
ghost town bottles that have been through a fire. 
There IS some connection.  Perhaps the common ground
between our comments is that wood ash is strongly
alkaline.  I remember my grandma leaching ashes to get
lye to make soap.  Perhaps the accelerated chemical
reactions produced by heat combined with the alkaline
ash is the key---  Whatever the case, there is an
empirical connection with fire.

Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mark,
>   Save your time.  As I stated earlier this is due
> to
> a chemical reaction by perhaps a natural process
> (alkaline salts) or a man caused chemical process. 
> The devitrification process (a weathering process)
> is
> similar that you see on old glass bottles that have
> been buried or in alkaline salt environments and
> nothing to do with heat.  Please do a google search
> for more details. Best, Dirk
> 
> --- MARK BOSTICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for your comments Dirk, Kevin and Norm,
> > 
> > Norms comments: "The coloration is a surface
> patina
> > like Carnival Glass." is 
> > better then mine previous.
> > 
> > I imagine it is a man influenced feature.  Perhaps
> I
> > will burn a couple 
> > tektites to see what results that creates and try
> > other ways to create the 
> > patinawith some of my lower grade tektites of
> > course.
> > 
> > Clear Skies,
> > Mark
> > www.meteoritearticles.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Any interesting (?) Chinese tektite

[Norm Lehrman]

Mark & list,

About five years ago, as Cookie and I were helping our
main Chinese supplier unpack at Tucson we found a
couple of dozen like you have pictured.  The
coloration is a surface patina like Carnival Glass. 
We never determined how it formed, but I have seen
similar patinas developed on ghost town glass that has
been through a fire.  I always suspected that the
tektites might have been through a warehouse fire. 
Others suggested that an overly aggressive acid
treatment was used in cleaning, but I've tried a
variety of acids over the years and have never seen
anything like this happen.

Ironically, we were just commenting between us this
year that it is strange that we have never seen the
phenomena again.  Not a single piece.  This convinces
me we are talking about some non-natural feature.  To
find 20 or 30 in one crate, then no more in something
on the order of 50,000 to 75,000 pieces that we have
subsequently sorted certainly provides a clue.

I looked into the commercial production of carnival
glass, but I don't remember the whole story. 
Something about sublimation of a metal film on hot
glass.  If you want to pursue the subject, look into
that manufacturing process for more clues.

As I recall, I sold all our pieces to a single
collector in Texas.  We openly expressed our concerns
that this was probably not a natural phenomenon.

Regards,
Norm
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--- MARK BOSTICK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> Hope everyone is doing well.
> 
> This may or may not be interesting, as it may or may
> not be that unusual.  
> However, I have sorted through and sold a lot of
> tektites over the years and 
> this is the only tektite like it I have seen.
> 
> A nice average sized dumbell tektite
> 
>
http://www.meteoritearticles.com/coltektitechin76g.html
> 
> Photographs were taken under white photograph lights
> in a room with white 
> walls.  The color is more obvious in person and was
> hard to reproduce 
> digitally. On the ends and in the surface dimples,
> you can see a very 
> striking blue color.  The ends also show a little
> purple color, but more of 
> the blue.  Not sure what has caused this colorling. 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Clear Skies,
> Mark Bostick
> Wichita, Kansas
> www.meteoritearticles.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Fresh Chondrites and "Slick-n-Slide"

[Norm Lehrman]

Pete & list,

> There are meteorites with slickenside?!
> It would have to be Martian, then, right?
> 

Yes, slickensided meteorites have been discussed
several times on the list.  But no, they don't have to
be planetary.  I would only be speculating on the
actual limiting conditions, but the parent body just
needs to be sufficiently large and cohesive to break
and move in frictional contact with the opposing
surface a few inches or less.  I'm guessing that even
in small bodies without enough gravity to hold breaks
in frictional contact, the pressures of a hard impact
could do the job.

I've never really thought about it before, but I can't
see any reason why the striated surfaces on Sikhote
shrapnel wouldn't be appropriately termed
"slickensides".  The Glossary of Geology gives this
definition: "A polished and smoothly striated surface
that results from friction along a fault plane" (a
fault is a surface along which movement has occured). 
Hence, you take even a baseball-sized lump of iron and
impact it so hard that it breaks and slips a little
under the compression of impact, and you could expect
surface features that would meet the definition of
slickensides.

Cheers,
Norm
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--- Pete Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, Norm & all,
> 
> There are meteorites with slickenside?!
> It would have to be Martian, then, right?
> 
> Cheers,
> Pete
> 
> 
> From: Norm Lehrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Greg Hupe
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Fresh Chondrites
> and "Slick-n-Slide"
> Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2006 13:18:31 -0800 (PST)
> 
> Greg & all,
> 
> Nice specimens.
> 
> Just a minor side point:  the term is "slickensides"
> for the striated, movement-polished surface itself,
> or
> "slickensided" for a rock showing slickensides. 
> Your
> version is a common, but erroneous, transliteration.
> 
> Cheers,
> Norm
> http://tektitesource.com
> 
> --- Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>  > Dear List Members,
>  >
>  > I have been going through the material I brought
>  > back from my Morocco trip
>  > last week. Here are some photos of some very nice
>  > fresh chondrites, an
>  > unusual thing these days coming out of Morocco.
>  > There are two pictures of
>  > some very good examples of Slick-n-Slide also. I
>  > have not seen chondrites
>  > this nice for a long time out of the Sahara.
>  >
>  > 4170 gram Large and Fresh Thumb Printed chondrite
> -
>  > VERY COOL !!
>  > http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc1.jpg
>  >
>  > 140 gram Individual - Neat Shape
>  > http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc00013.jpg
>  >
>  > 122.7 gram Slick-n-Slide (Best Example I have
> Seen
>  > for a Long Time)
>  > http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc00023.jpg
>  >
>  > 25.6 gram Slick-n-Slide (Unfortunately broke
> during
>  > airplane ride home)
>  > http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc00025.jpg
>  >
>  > Hope you enjoy the pictures.
>  >
>  > Best regards,
>  >
>  > Greg Hupe
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Fresh Chondrites and "Slick-n-Slide"

[Norm Lehrman]

Greg & all,

Nice specimens.

Just a minor side point:  the term is "slickensides"
for the striated, movement-polished surface itself, or
"slickensided" for a rock showing slickensides.  Your
version is a common, but erroneous, transliteration.

Cheers,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- Greg Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dear List Members,
> 
> I have been going through the material I brought
> back from my Morocco trip 
> last week. Here are some photos of some very nice
> fresh chondrites, an 
> unusual thing these days coming out of Morocco.
> There are two pictures of 
> some very good examples of Slick-n-Slide also. I
> have not seen chondrites 
> this nice for a long time out of the Sahara.
> 
> 4170 gram Large and Fresh Thumb Printed chondrite -
> VERY COOL !!
> http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc1.jpg
> 
> 140 gram Individual - Neat Shape
> http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc00013.jpg
> 
> 122.7 gram Slick-n-Slide (Best Example I have Seen
> for a Long Time)
> http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc00023.jpg
> 
> 25.6 gram Slick-n-Slide (Unfortunately broke during
> airplane ride home)
> http://www.lunarrock.com/3-9/dsc00025.jpg
> 
> Hope you enjoy the pictures.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Greg Hupe
> The Hupe Collection
> NaturesVault (eBay)
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[meteorite-list] Ad A Stretch Moldavite---the first ever???

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

Czech out 

http://tektitesource.com/taffy_cored_tektites.html

This is a gorgeous new stretch tektite from Chlum. 
I've never heard  of any others.  There is a chance
that it is the first and only example of its kind!  If
any of you know of any other stretch Moldavites,
please let me know.

Cheers,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hunting hours vs recovery rate

[Norm Lehrman]

Sonny & list,

My stats are not going to be what people want to hear.
 I have been collecting rocks, fossils, and artifacts
since I could walk.  I have been a continuously active
exploration geologist for 35 years.  I have been
looking at the ground in front of me with something of
a trained eye for something like 50 years.  Unusual
rocks came home with me without fail.  When I joined
Homestake Mining Company about 25 years ago, they had
to pay to move something like 10 tons of rock.  When I
sheepishly apologized to my new boss, he said "I guess
if we hire a geologist who doesn't like rocks, we made
a poor choice!"  This is the long way of saying: none
of those were meteorites.

When I became interested in the current subject, I
spent (as for most of my life) on the order of 150
days in the field per year in my normal work routine. 
Always looking, but with very limited knowledge (none
the less, a well trained eye for the unusual). 
Nothing.  No memories at all of something I wish I
could go back and view again. 

As the obsession grew, I gradually acquired a small
collection of meteorites via purchase specifically to
train my eye.  I started looking where there were few
or no rocks (thanks to Nininger's "Find a Falling
Star" that had been given to me).  

I can't guess how long it took after that---  I'd say
weeks of "quality" time before the big moment for #1
(described on our website and IMCA).  Speaking only of
dedicated meteorite-search time, I spent another three
or four man-days in Nevada, then say 5 man-days in
virgin country in the high Andes in Chile, then
another 3 days in Nevada before my next tiny find at
Majuba (also on the website).  Learning from
experience, my next effort was where meteorites had
been found before, and I found 21 fragments in 2 days.


The next page will be written soon, but I suspect no
armchair quarterback has any idea what kind of
patience and perserverance it takes to beat the odds
on one of the longest shot endeavors on earth!

I serve as living proof that you can go nuts before it
happens.

Cheers,
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com (where you can read the
longer versions of #s 1 & 2)


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Have you ever wondered how many hours you must spend
> before your first 
> cold find ? Or how many hours after you find a new
> area with a new 
> meteorite before your next find?
> 
> I would like to say that you will find a meteorite
> every 40- 50 hours 
> of searching for cold finds not counting driving or
> prep time. The only 
> problem is once you find one you will spend 4-5 days
> or longer 
> searching the area looking for the rest of the
> meteorite or the 
> continuation of the strewn field. In my own
> experience in a know 
> strewnfield ( Gold Basin) I spent 16 hours of
> hunting plus 6 hours 
> driving time for my first meteorite. I might have
> recovered one faster 
> if it was not for the 10 pounds of meterwrongs I was
> carrying in my 
> pockets before I found one.
> 
> On some of the new areas  I have spent as little as
> 4 hours before a 
> new find in a new location. I have also spent weeks
> before a new find 
> at 8 to 10 hour days. In a strewnfield that I have
> been working there 
> are times were you may not find one for a week and
> then find one or 
> two. In one area a friend & I spent 3 days hunting
> before the frist 
> find. We spent 2 more days looking for the next find
> paired to the 
> first find. We have done 3 more trips to the
> location for a few more 
> pieces. Average hunting day 8 hours plus 4-8 hours
> driving time to get 
> to location one way.
> 
> I would like to say the average time to find a
> meteorite in a known is 
> location 2-20 hours. For a new cold find from a area
> with no finds may 
> take 50 plus hours of hunting not counting driving
> or prep time.
> 
> I am interested in hearing input from other hunters
> especially from the 
> Southwest. I have been asked by some new meteorite
> hunters what they 
> can expect before they find their first meteorite.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sonny
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Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

[Norm Lehrman]

Doug,

I do enjoy your contributions.  Always stimulating.

I have no fundamental disagreements.  Just a few
hair-splitting points.

Re: the partial pressures in Australasian bubbles.  It
has been argued that our numbers are bogus.  As
atmospheric water is absorbed into the hydrating
tektite selvage lining a bubble,  internal pressures
can be considerably reduced, giving the false
appearance of high altitudes.  I have never seen
anything about partial pressures in LDG glass.  I'm
not sure anything has ever been found sufficiently
large to measure.  Lacking such data,  this argument
is conceptual, not real.  However it is a great
research suggestion.  With modern micro-techniques LDG
bubbles should be revisited!

As for a "real strewnfield defined for LDGs as we find
with other conceptually true to form tektites", yes,
the finding area is quite sharply delimited at about
150 km X 50 km.  If anything, the LDG area is
atypically WELL defined relative to other tektites (I
don't know much about Ivory Coast distribution.  It
may be comparable or smaller).

I must admit, I have never seen anything even remotely
resembling an erosionally-modified aerodynamically-
shaped Libyan Desert Glass form.  If you started with
the typical morphologies of Australasians and
sand-blasted them within an inch of their existence,
we would still recognize some traces of original
morphology.  I must decline any hope of the Harvey
Award on this matter.  You are totally correct.  LDG
shows absolutely no hint of aerodynamic ablation
modification.

Deep enough,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com  (a great place to view a
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hola Norm, so it seems we actually agree on most of
> the points, including the 
> most important one: the subjectivity of the
> definition.  You are just wanting 
> to be more liberal...and me more stoodgy...I wasn't
> dodging the layered 
> tektite issue when I said not to bring it up (which
> you unfortunately did:)).  
> Clearly layered tektites are closer to impact
> glasses in the continuum and I was 
> just trying to cleanly conceptualize.  The
> definition of 'tektite' is a human 
> classification which like most, depends on a clear
> understanding of a concept, 
> not a recipe.  The Muong Nong glasses (vs. tektites)
> as many experts also call 
> them deserve a category by themselves so if you want
> to point to experts 
> calling them tektites as support for calling the
> LDG's also tektites, all I can 
> say is we are pushing the concept even further.  You
> do mention the meteoritic 
> content of Indochinites (=Australasian tektites). 
> Yes a small component of 
> iron has been detected, but this is very rare, and
> no where near the content in 
> LDG which can approach a 0.5%.
> 
> You didn't mention that the partial pressure of the
> air in the bubbles of the 
> Indochinites corresponds to the upper atmosphere,
> and that in LDG I am 
> assuming it corresponds to the surface.  This
> shouldn't be a surprise as the water 
> should not be linearly independent - thus they ought
> to track similarly.  
> 
> Good point on the desert weathering, but is there a
> real strewn field defined 
> for LDG's, as we find with other conceptually
> true-to-form tektites (pun:))?  
> If any evidence could be found, your argument would
> be more solid, as a of 
> evidence isn't any proof of anything.  Try checking
> nobel gas ratios and I bet 
> the tektite concept will be even further away...
> 
> Where I must really agree with you and put all
> grammatical gymnastics and 
> opinions aside, is where you make the best point of
> the whole discussion, imho.  
> That maybe our definition of tektites whatever that
> concept may be is based on 
> faulty ideas.  With liberty taken, that maybe it
> will change as we learn 
> more.  Yes, I buy that, I believe that is a distinct
> possibility.  Things were so 
> much simpler when we all agreed they were blasted
> from the Moon and the 
> aerodynamic shapes and low water content actually
> meant something more to the 
> experts of that time.  Gor the time being, I be
> conservative on the definitions for 
> the distinctions mentioned.  Show me one
> aerodynamically shaped LDG besides 
> one sculpted by a Neanderthal, and I'll recommend
> you for a Harvey award which 
> would be quite fitting:), and definitely a nobel
> prize in the meteoritical 
> community...for the moment we think there is a
> crater now, well, we already called 
> them impact glasses, and now we have all these years
> of human transport 
> mucking it up for these highly prized special
> glasses.
> 
> Perhaps little Norm and little Doug in the 100th
> century will follow in our 
> footsteps.  Norm will say, Doug, look at all the
> chondrites in the USA, and 
> there are none in the Sahara.  Looks like the major
> strewn field is into North 
> America and then a minor one into Europe.  And Doug
> will say, I don't know, they 
> weren't witn

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

[Norm Lehrman]

Doug,

Good points all, but if you want to raise the
water/purity issue, you can't dodge the Muong Nong
issue.  (The best answer is that they shouldn't be
called tektites, BUT, they ARE so called by all
authorities).  

With LDG, it can be reasonably argued that
flight-related morphology has been erased by
ventifaction.  In the area where this stuff is found,
it is literally reasonable that ALL of the material
has seen the wind and its entrained sand.  LDG is
pretty fine, clean glass, albeit with a higher water
content. (So, here again, people have dodged the issue
by calling them Muong Nongs---)

As for inclusion of impactor material in LDG, you've
got to remember that iron spherules are found in
Australasian tektites. Good chance that's impactor
condensate.

I truly have no argument with the water content
criterion.  That's probably the best definitional
parameter we have.  But it makes me a bit nervous to
turn the whole matter over to such a narrow
definition.  Are we positive, given all that we don't
know about tektites, that there can't be any wet ones?
 Should we now start calling Pyrex another variety of
tektite?  Clearly, we are including some
process-related factors (even if just inferred) in our
definition.

It is very much like the planet issue.  I keep
thinking that there have been a lot of grade-school
kids that got marked down on tests for answering the
question: "How many planets are in our solar system?"
wrong according to the erroneous wisdom of a given
time.  How many tektite-producing impacts have there
been?  I get weary of qualifying my answers with,
"Well, depending on whether or not you count LDG"

Cheers,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com


--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Norm L. writes:
> 
> << Where is the dividing line between impactite and
>  tektite?  I'd like to hear what others may
> understand,
>  but my impression is that it fundamentally hinges
> on
>  distance the glassy material is ejected from the
>  crater.  Material found only in and immediately
> around
>  the source crater is impactite.  Stuff blasted tens
> to
>  hundreds of km or more crosses the definitional
>  boundary into "tektites".
>  
>  If this is the criterion, LDG was already home free
>  >>
> 
> Hola Norm, yet again here's another one of those
> awkward definitions that 
> when overyly analyzed starts falling apart.  I think
> the distance criterion is 
> not THE criterion, but rather a tektite differs from
> an impact glass in that the 
> tektite has actually been exposed to general
> conditions of enough kinetic and 
> thermal energy to create a greater melt uniformity
> where the original 
> impactor has transmitted that energy "cleanly", and
> in such a great quantity that the 
> energy is also enough to propel tektites into the
> upper atmosphere and have 
> them re-enter ablating like meteorites.
> 
> These are a bunch of hand-waving concepts, but as we
> know, it seems the one 
> factor that really distinguishes "tektites" is the
> low water content.  LDG's 
> have at least 5 times the typical water content of
> the cleaner tektites, and 
> they contain inclusions including those of the
> impactor, and aerodynamic shapes 
> are not really known I believe.
> 
> In fact the water content of LDG's at the low end of
> 5 times the amount of 
> the cleaner tektites actually goes practically as
> high as obsidian.  They don't 
> usually look very aerodynamic and they have
> meteorites inside them.  They 
> deserve some distinction, they are dirty glass.  Now
> all of this about water 
> content might be just an academic distinction,
> except for one exception.  One of 
> the greatest mysteries of tektites is derived from
> the mystery of exactly what 
> physical laws were twisted to get that low water
> content and this more than 
> anything else is the criterion as much as the
> mystery.  Plus they are generally 
> clean (OK, they have smalled fused cuartz. etc., but
> there there tends to be a 
> bimodal distribution between clean tektites and
> impact glasses as far as 
> inclusions = so far you have clean ones and dirty
> ones)  Please don't bring up 
> layered tektites I don't want the definition system
> to fail even more...
> 
> But practically speaking, you would have to be right
> that there is a 
> continuum, just like in the definition of a planet,
> etc., the world tends towards 
> complexity just when you get it all figured
> out...and soon we will come to know of 
> the impektite that bridges tektites, water and all,
> with LDGs and other 
> impact glasses.  Better yet how about just saying
> they are all impact glasses - 
> which they are no matter who starts talking about
> flying - and that tektites just 
> had a higher energy/diffusion/flux melt event which
> is witnessed in the 
> record by water content...If cats could only talk
> they could tell us how long we 
> have erred on visible light as they see into the
> near UV, don't they?  What's 
> the use of going at it with a cat over

Re: [meteorite-list] Largest Crater in the Sahara Desert and LDG

[Norm Lehrman]

Bernd & list,

This is indeed exciting, and may finally justify LDG
being recognized as a true tektite rather than a
simple impactite.

Although the article doesn't give us much for location
beyond "at the northern tip of the Gilf Kebir region",
that's close enough, as the LDG strewn field is
immediately north of the Gilf Kebir.

The 28.5 ma date for LDG should be a good number
(fission track).  The "100 million year sandstone"
mentioned as the crater target rock is perfect.  For
years it has been argued that the Nubia group
sandstones are the geochemically perfect precursor for
LDG.  Interestingly, this raised a problem for
researchers looking for a local LDG source crater as
there are good geological arguments that the Nubia
sandstones were covered by younger formations in the
LDG strewn field at 28.5 ma and would not have been
available as target rocks.

With the revelation that this newly recognized crater
did indeed impact the sandstones, we're almost there. 
Now, all we have to do is eject the LDG a hundred km
or so northwards and the picture works fine. (The long
axis of the strewn field is roughly N-S).

Where is the dividing line between impactite and
tektite?  I'd like to hear what others may understand,
but my impression is that it fundamentally hinges on
distance the glassy material is ejected from the
crater.  Material found only in and immediately around
the source crater is impactite.  Stuff blasted tens to
hundreds of km or more crosses the definitional
boundary into "tektites".

If this is the criterion, LDG was already home free in
my book insofar as the known strewn field has a long
axis of at least 150 km, so even if there was a
now-erosionally removed crater at one end of the
strewn field proper, some of the glass would've
already required over 100 km ejection distance.  

Now, I'm guessing we may be talking a couple hundred
km, maybe more.  Is that sufficiently far to
legitimize LDG as a true tektite?  (From
Ries-Norlingen to the Czech moldavite fields is about
300 km).

Cheers,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi Ron and List,
> 
> Like so many others, I was eagerly flying over the
> lines in search of
> a hint to LDG (Libyan Desert Glass),and, there it is
> (of course ;-):
> 
> "since its shape points to an origin of
> extraterrestrial impact, it will likely prove to
>  be  the event responsible for the extensive field
> of 'Desert Glass'-yellow-green silica
>  glass fragments found on the desert surface between
> the giant dunes of the Great Sand Sea
>  in southwestern Egypt."
> 
> But:
> 
> "may have been formed by a meteorite impact tens of
> millions of years ago."
> 
> How many *tens* of millions of years ago ???
> 
> If current age estimates are correct, LDG has an age
> of ~28 Ma.
> 
> Any thoughts out there, ... Norm?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bernd
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Re: [meteorite-list] Experiment Update #1

[Norm Lehrman]

Göran & all,

I don't understand the chemistry involved, but I have
personally used a concentrated sodium hydroxide bath
to remove rust from very rusty Campos.  It took weeks,
but scales of rust just kept detaching untill the
bottom of the pail was a centimeter deep in rust
flakes.  I did do a final treatment with a wire brush,
 but ended with a beautiful metallic specimen.  This
treatment wasn't just a rust stopper.  It removed rust
in large quantities.  The solution didn't discolor as
if iron was being dissolved.  Flakes just popped off
and fell to the bottom.

Cheers,
Norm
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--- Göran Axelsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is not a rust cleaner treatment, it is a rust
> stopper treatment.
> 
> To remove the rust you have to use more traditional
> methods, like polishing.
> 
> Acidic solutions with a low Ph makes it easier to
> dissolv the iron 
> hydroxides in rust but at the same time the iron
> will be unprotected 
> against oxidation. Basic solutions with a high Ph
> stops the iron 
> hydroxides to dissolv but protects the iron against
> oxidation by 
> passivation, it becomes chemically inert.
> 
> The idea behind the hydroxide solution is to protect
> the iron while 
> chloride ions are leached out of the meteorite.
> 
> I would recommend small volumes in the bath, maybe
> twice the volume of 
> the meteorite but at least covering it, combined
> with numerous 
> replacement of the solution. In the beginning it
> should be closer 
> between the changes of the solution as it faster
> gets contaminated. When 
> the chlorine levels in the meteorite and the
> solution is in balance it 
> doesn't help to let it lie longer.
> 
> Archeologists sometimes uses ordinary tapwater in
> the initial bath but 
> at the end they use deionised or distilled water.
> 
> And whatever you do, don't use chlorinated water,
> that could make it 
> rust even faster.
> 
> /Göran
> 
> tracy latimer wrote:
> 
> > About 10 days ago I dunked my poor Fredericksburg
> in what I hoped 
> > would be a rust removal bath of half Liquid Drano
> and half anhydrous 
> > alcohol.  Since then, I have swirled it about at
> least once a day, and 
> > some of the rust has come off, but not all.  The
> bath is lightly 
> > tinged with brown and there is a fine peppering of
> rust flakes on the 
> > bottom of the glass jar.  I will give it another
> week or so, but if 
> > there is not a significant change in the quantity
> of rust in 
> > suspension rather than on my meteorite, Freddy
> will be taken out of 
> > the bath and more old fashioned methods of getting
> rid of rust will be 
> > regretfully employed.
> >
> > Watch this space for more fast-breaking news!
> > Tracy Latimer
> >
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[meteorite-list] Fight extreme lunar spam

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

If you, like me, are one of the chosen, you'll be
receiving another edition of Göran Lindfors' extreme
lunar fakes spam about now.  Please forward several
copies of his message back to him.  As I recall, we
shut down his mailbox for a few days the last time. 
He seems to be a slow learner.

Regards,
Norm
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Re: [meteorite-list] THEORIES OF THE ORIGIN OF TEKTITES, Part Two

[Norm Lehrman]

Sterling,

Thanks for posting this series!  One question though:

Item #5:  "It would also appear that no one tried
breaking a specimen of each, as the fracture
morphology of each differs."

In what way?  I've never tried breaking specimens, but
I've seen plently of broken ones and have never
noticed a difference.  As amorphous glass, both
obsidian and tektites have a nice conchoidal fracture.
 

However, now that you bring it to my attention, I can
imagine a theoretical difference:  since most obsidian
does have tiny crystallites, and tektites have
absolutely none, tektites should have a smoother
fracture surface, relatively free of stair-steps. 
I'll have to go check as soon as I get this written.

As an interesting aside, various obsidians were
esteemed for varied uses in the stone age.  Varieties
packed with incipient crystals flaked more crudely
than more pure glasses, but because the tiny crystals
obstructed the growth of fractures, tools made of such
impure material were tougher.  Better coarse, heavy
duty implements could be made of this.  More pure
glasses made for perfectly flaked extra sharp
arrowheads, but they were essentially one-use items as
they broke very easily (there being no crystallites to
interfere with fracture growth).

Is this the sort of difference in fracture morphology
to which you refer?

Thanks,
Norm
http://tektitesource.com

--- "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Part Two of
> THEORIES OF THE ORIGIN OF TEKTITES
> 
> Passing through the Colossally Silly Entrance Hall,
> we next enter the 
> extensive and colorful Volcanic Tektite Exhibition.
> 
> 5. The Terrestrial Volcanic Origin of Tektites:
> Mayer, in 1788, published 
> the first scientific  tektite theory; he called
> moldavites "glassy lavas." 
> Charles Darwin, in 1844 (The Voyage of the H.M.S.
> Beagle), first described 
> australite "buttons" and identified them as
> obsidian. He wondered a great 
> deal about their unique shape, but became distracted
> by some issue or other 
> in biology, so the world lost a great tektite
> theorist.
> The volcanic theory became as predominant in the
> 19th Century as the Impact 
> Theory is today. It was endorsed by Wickman, 1893;
> van Dijk, 1879; W. D. 
> Campbell, 1906; La Conte, 1902; and Moore, 1916 (who
> said tektites were 
> identical to "Pele's Tears"); Simpson , 1902,
> proposed Australite tektites 
> came from Krakatoa. Dunn, 1908 and 1912, proposed a
> complicated formation of 
> tektites inside of gas bubbles in fresh lava, a
> suggestion further developed 
> and complicated by Buddhue in 1940, while Dunn then
> later (1935) suggested 
> tektites were formed by rain and snow falling on
> molten lava.
> 
> The volcanic theories all died when geochemical
> analysis advances in the 
> 20th Century, as tektites have a composition that is
> quite different from 
> any terrestrial volcanic rock, and tektites are
> easily distinguishable from 
> obsidian. It should be pointed out, in defense of
> Darwin and all the early 
> geologists, that just from the standpoint of holding
> a tektite and obsidian 
> in your hand and looking at them, they appear to be
> materially identical. 
> Chemical and physical analysis is required to
> distinguish them. It would 
> also appear that no one tried breaking a specimen of
> each, as the fracture 
> morphology of each differs.
> 
> However, the last Terrestrial Volcanic Theory was
> proposed in 1976! It is:
> 
> 6. The "Cryptovolcanic" Origin of Tektites: McCall,
> 1976: To understand this 
> at all, we need to dig into the strange tribal
> relationships of science. 
> British geologists ("we invented geology, you know")
> were firmly wedded 
> (possibly even welded) to the volcanic origin of
> craters, all craters, of 
> all kinds, on all worlds. An immense amount of
> energy and thought had been 
> invested in lunar volcanic theory in particular, up
> through the 1950's. 
> Those who learned their geology at British
> institutions (Australians, New 
> Zedders, and so forth) were trained in this
> tradition. The notion of that 
> some craters on the Earth or elsewhere might have
> been formed by heavy 
> objects falling out of the sky was regarded as a
> crackpot theory put forward 
> entirely by brash and uninformed colonials of the
> American variety who were 
> well-known to be fond of whizz-bangs ("child-like,
> you know"), and the 
> impact theory was resolutely resisted as errant
> nonsense up until the moment 
> of the Moon landings, when it all unraveled in a
> snap.
> 
> A "volcanic" explanation was handy; there had always
> been craters from which 
> volcanic characteristics were absent. They were
> called by these geologists 
> "cryptovolcanic," meaning that their volcanic
> origins were hidden. This was 
> a theory built on the absence of evidence as a proof
> of the theory, always a 
> dangerous logical method. Cryptovolcanic craters
> were postulated to be the 
> result of direct venting of very deep, 

Re: [meteorite-list] Why are Esquel slices Transparent Blue?

[Norm Lehrman]

Gary,

No one has bothered to explain it because it doesn't
happen.  What do you smoke just before you see this
phenomenon?

Regards,
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com

--- "Gary K. Foote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I can't seem to fnid an explanation online anywhere.
> 
> Gary
> http://www.meteorite-dealers.com
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[meteorite-list] Ad: page of great Sikhote BULLETS just posted to our website

[Norm Lehrman]

List,

With all the talk about oriented stones, I thought I'd
get some great new strongly flight-oriented Sikhote
Alin bullets posted.

Check out the Sikhote Alin page at
http://TektiteSource.com

I'll be posting these to ebay over the next few
months, but they are available from the website untill
then.

Thanks,
Norm
http://TektiteSource.com
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