Re: [meteorite-list] Distinguished Doctor Ehlmann
I lived in Fort Worth for many years and was fortunate enough to meet Dr Ehlmann many times. My first meeting was at the museum with my children and he did not know me at all, but he took us on a tour of the "back room" and showed us many of the special meteorites that do not go on display.He will be missed. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Event reported over Eastern Oklahoma
This one has a lot of seismic stations around it - 13! But nothing real conclusive.It also has a lot of radar stations close by...nothing telling there either, and some stations had good timing for a clear scan.If I had to point to a position and a radar hit that all matches it would be in a very rough place to search in the hills 10 km NNW of Flute Springs. But too weak of evidence to send someone looking.Pat __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SC Event
NASA also recorded it. They have dark flight at 54 km above Landsford, SC. I have a sonic boom produced at 30-35 km about 10 km south of Richburg. It was also recorded on stations TA.KMSC and CO.PAULI. And maybe CO.JSC.Nothing compelling on radar, but a lot of ground clutter streaks confuse the issue. Pat __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites on Farmland
This is how Monnig recovered such a large collection. He traveled Texas asking farmers if they had any unusual rocks...and they usually had a pile of rocks removed from fields. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hot vs. Cold again
Have to agree with Rob and Chris on this...as I have tried the experiment myself.Put a rock in the freezer until stable temps...then put a blow torch on it for 5 seconds...then put it back in the freezer for 3 minutes (or freezer for 2 and on the counter for 1).It will be cold. The rock will shatter when you put the torch on it. Only a mass of iron will not fracture.Meteorites hitting the ground will be at best ambient temperature, but most will be colder than ambient.Pat __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] October 4th fireball northeast of Flagstaff
Yes Shawn we believe there is a good chance of meteorites on the ground from this event. We also have sonic data to match up the video and smoke trail pics. Due to the unknowns in the angle of entry and the almost straight in approach to the camera the fall zone is long and narrow and much is on Hopi reservation land. Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia)
If this were caused by a high shock event like a meteor strike, then there should be evidence in the form of shatter cones, shocked quartz crystals etc. In addition, there should be Iridium enrichment. Best Regards, Pat To: veom...@gmail.com; inselb...@cox.net From: impact...@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2014 00:17:13 -0500 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia) A partially collapsed salt dome Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com To: Paul H. inselb...@cox.net Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Feb 10, 2014 9:48 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] One of the Strangest Landforms That I Ever Seen (Siberia, Russsia) Very interesting! I'm suggesting Phreatic eruption (even though they say there is not volanism, but who knows. What's odd is it looks like the site might still be somewhat active, looks really fresh. -Yinan On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:53 PM, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote: A really strange landform has made the news in Russia and now has appeared in the Mail Online. Articles with pictures and rather weird speculation about meteorites and all sorts of other processes that might have created it. What (or who) created Siberia's 'Eagle's Nest'? A meteorite, a nuke or gulag inmates? Scientists baffled by Sarah Griffids, Mail Online, Feb. 7, 2014 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2553841/Siberian-eagles-nest-continues-baffle-scientists-Theories-250-year-old-mound-formed-range-meteorite-strike-nuclear-blast.html Huge Eagle Nest in woods, English Russia,May 27, 2013 http://englishrussia.com/2013/05/27/huge-eagle-nest-in-the-woods/ What created this mysterious Siberian crater? by Kate Baklitskaya, The Siberian Times, October 14, 2012 http://www.sott.net/article/264671-What-created-this-mysterious-Siberian-crater This is certainly one of the strangest craterwrongs that I have ever seen. Some of the various theories that have been proposed for its origins are mentioned in: Patomsky crater - the nest of fire Eagle. Unknown Russia http://runknown.com/patomsky-crater-the-nest-of-fire-eagle I would be interested in what the people on this list think about what might have created this pile of rock? Does anyone know what is being said about it among Russian geologists and geomorphologists? Whatever, it is, it is quite young. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What is this?
Hi Count and the List, Obvious Vesicles and Conchoidal fractures and a vitreous overall appearance - makes this a very unlikely candidate for re-entered space junk. Also the line most of MIR re-entered over the Indian Ocean, but this piece made it to the USA - very fishy. I think this is in the category of cool rock, but very unlikely to be space junk, let alone specifically part of the MIR space station. With Best Regards, Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Getting Novato approved
Hello Rob, the other Novato searchers and the List, This is a very interesting Urban fall and a very challenging meteorite to hunt. Personally, I hunted my backside off and did not find a crumb (although, I went right past the individual that Bob Verish discovered, like within 4-6 feet!). Is not the rule 20 grams or 20% if the original mass was less than 100 grams? If the finder that deposited ~14.4 grams represented that as 20% of the individual meteorite found, does that not meet the Meteoritical Society Nomenclature Committee guidelines? Personally, I would very much like to see this one in the Bulletin. I would be very interested in understanding the masses that were found. Yours in Science, Pat Brown Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 20:08:46 -0700 From: robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: jim.woodd...@suddenlink.net; m...@meteoriteguy.com; bolidecha...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Getting Novato approved Hi All, Well, clearly ~some~ material was deposited at UCLA, otherwise there would be no Novato classification. The issue is instead one of *sufficient* deposit (20 grams in this case) in a recognized institution for the Nomenclature Committee to put it up for a vote. I frankly don't know how much of Novato UCLA received, but the balance to be made up is obviously less than 20 grams. If they are short by less than 6.6 grams, I would certainly consider buying the Brien Cook slice and donating it to UCLA to get this on the books. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jim Wooddell Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 6:25 PM To: Michael Farmer; Robert Verish Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Novato back in the market Yeswhat happened to the type specimen? I was under the impression no one sent a type specimen that met the standing requirement? Jim Wooddell - Mobile Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Perhaps a finder of one of the recovered pieces should step up, and cut a piece for science? I think they need more than 6 grams for the noncom rules do they not? Didn't several California hunters find pieces? I guess this will just be another no-name fall. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Apr 30, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: Actually, it's still the Novato (provisional) meteorite. It still is not in the Meteoritical Bulletin. This is the slice that Brien Cook originally cut with the intention of submitting it to UCLA. But when he read that someone else was going to supply the type-specimen, he then placed it on eBay. It would be nice if some Institute or consortium would make an offer and try to repatriate this slice and make it a type-specimen so that this US-fall could finally be made official. All I'm saying is, this leaving an official-status hanging-in-mid-air would never happen in Canada. They would just simply buy the type-specimen. It's time for the US to catch-up with Canada. It's time for a change. Bob V. --- On Mon, 4/29/13, Matija Bericic matija.beri...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Matija Bericic matija.beri...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Novato back in the market To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, April 29, 2013, 10:48 AM Hi list, We have finished researching Novato meteorite and we do not need it anymore. 6.6 g slice was bought on ebay auction on 27th of October 2012 from hunter Brien Cook. Anyone interested in this rare piece make me an offer off list. Best regards, Matija Bericic __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] No, Diatoms Have Not Been Found in a Meteorite...
Hi All, According to the Meteoritical Bulletin, there is no classified meteorite that aligns with the claims in the paper by Wickramasinghe et. al. My limited understanding (I am an engineer and only an amateur meteoriticist and member of the Meteoritical Society) is that the scientific world does not consider a rock to be a meteorite until it is classified and published in the Meteoritical Society bulletin. If this is true, then this has not been demonstrated to even be a meteorite. It is also troubling that: In total, Jamie Wallis at Cardiff University and a few buddies received 628 stone fragments collected from rice fields in the region. However, they were able to clearly identify only three as possible meteorites. Show me the classification! Best Regards, Pat Brown From: baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 12:41:21 -0700 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] No, Diatoms Have Not Been Found in a Meteorite... http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/01/15/life_in_a_meteorite_claims_by_n_c_wickramasinghe_of_diatoms_in_a_meteorite.html No, Diatoms Have Not Been Found in a Meteorite By Phil Plait Bad Astronomy [UPDATE (Mar. 12, 2013): The authors of this very shaky life in a meteorite paper described below published another paper recently, causing a minor media frenzy. In it they try to show the samples are meteorites, but the evidence they present is in many ways even worse than the outrageous claims they made in the first paper! I have written a take-down of that paper as well http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/03/11/meteorite_life_claims_of_fossils_in_a_meteorite_are_still_wrong.html; but you should read this one here first.] If there's a story practically guaranteed to go viral, it's about evidence of life in space. And if you have pictures, why, that's going to spread like, well, like a virus. So the moment I heard that a paper had been published saying that diatoms - a type of algae, microscopic plant life, that have hard outer shells made of silica and come in a variety of shapes and forms - had been found in a meteorite, I knew I'd get flooded with emails and tweets and Facebook messages because LIFE IN SPACE! And so I did. People are really curious about this! But then I read the actual paper, and guess what? Let me be delicate: It'™s wrong. Really, really wrong. Way, way, way ridiculously oh-holy-wow-how-could-anyone-publish-this wrong. [deep breath] OK, let's dive in, shall we? That's the JoC The paper http://journalofcosmology.com/JOC21/Polonnaruwa.pdf was published online on a site called The Journal of Cosmology http://journalofcosmology.com/. I'll get back to that august publication in just a moment. The lead author is N. C. Wickramasinghe, and as soon as I saw his name alarm bells exploded in my head. Wickramasinghe is a proponent of the idea of panspermia: the notion that life originated in space and was brought to Earth via meteorites. It's an interesting idea and not without some merits. However, Wickramasinghe is fervent proponent of it. Like, really fervent. So much so that he attributes everything to life in space. He's said that the flu comes from space. He's said SARS comes from space . He's claimed living cells found in the stratosphere come from space. (There is no evidence at all they do, and it's far more likely they are terrestrial.) He's said a weird red rain in India was from space (when it's been shown that it isn't. The list goes on and on. Wickramasinghe jumps on everything, with little or no evidence, and says it's from outer space, so I think there's a case to be made for a bias on his part. Now, you might accuse me of using an ad hominem, an argument that cast aspersions on the person making the claim, and not attacking the claim itself. I'll get to the claim in a moment, but sometimes an ad hominem is warranted! If Sylvia Brown claims she can predict someone's future, you would be right to doubt her based on her past, since she has continually failed in every attempt to do so. If Jenny McCarthy claimed botox cures autism, again, you might be forgiven for doubting it based on her previous anti-vaccine and other false claims. You still need to examine the claims on their own merits, of course, but: Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. So, to be polite about it, Wickramasinghe is something of a fringe scientist. Who would publish a paper by him? The Journal of Cosmology is an online site that claims to be peer reviewed. However, the papers it publishes are not always of the highest quality. One paper they published a few years back claimed to have found fossils in meteorites, and it was roundly ridiculed by biologists familiar with the field - one even used the word pathetic. Ouch. The journal also supports other fringe claims that have very
Re: [meteorite-list] Confirmed September 2012 BLM Regulations.
Hello and Good Night to all of the List Members, With all due respect, and recognizing the dignity and opinions of all humans, female and male, I choose to believe that we in the community of meteorite hunters and enthusiasts hold as a very strong value, the advancement of the body of knowledge of science as a fundamental part of our nature and interests, and that we are happy to provide a type sample (often in excess of the traditional 20 grams / 20% norms) for further research on any and all of the meteorites that we find on public or private lands. Our interest is not merely pecuniary, but aligns with the higher calling of the advancement of human knowledge of the nature of this wonderful solar system in which we make our homes. There are a select few among us whom make their living finding and selling these stones from space (to whom I am very grateful). And it is my experience that these special persons share our collective interest in promoting the body of scientific knowledge and are happy to aid the advancement of science with often times very generous type samples. Therefore, I propose that we accept and embrace these BLM regulations as a part of our duty to the rest of the citizens of these Great United States of America as a tribute to the incredible freedoms that we enjoy here (which in my limited experience, are very rare in most of the other countries of our world). There will always be comparisons of our activities to other pursuits, but i propose that our passion and pursuit is beyond those that seek mere personal riches. We are (in my own opinion) called to a higher plane of existence and experience. I humbly submit this way of thinking about the field of science that we get to live and love in its incredible richness. Humbly, Yours in Science, Pat Brown Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2013 16:00:12 -0500 From: h...@meteorhall.com To: countde...@earthlink.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Confirmed September 2012 BLM Regulations. Just how does the casual collecting of meteorites differ from the casual collecting of gold? Gold is selling for over $1,600.00 per troy ounce, far more then most meteorites sell for. There are many thousands of causal gold hunters. Both gold and meteorites are difficult to find. Why should the regulations be different? The United States science community stands to lose, not gain, from the new regulations. Before the new regulations, anyone finding a 25 lb. meteorite on our Federal lands (as a very few have) would want a classification of said meteorite. That may no longer happen. Now, if the BLM had come to a positive approach to sharing meteorites over a ten lb. limit, say, as an example, split between the finder and the BLM, which could then supply the Smithsonian (or other appropriate museum) with the BLM's half. The finder could then do as they please with their share. The Smithsonian would get the meteorites classified, they would be happy, the meteorite hunters would be happy (at least much happier then with the current regulations). The meteorite finder would no longer have to pay for a classification, though they could if they so desired. Good regulations work for both our government and the people of the United States! Perhaps the IMCA should contact the Gold Prospectors Association of America, to find out how to stop unfair regulations before they are set in stone. What the meteorite collectors and hunters need, alas, is a lawyer to take the BLM to court. Regards, Fred Hall Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 10:48:27 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: Fw: Meteorite Instructional Memo Hi All, In the process of planning new collecting trips in Arizona, Utah and Nevada, I confirmed with BLM the latest regulations concerning the collection of meteorites on Federal Land. (Private property and State owned land are subject to different law and regulations.). The attached message has a link to the current, nationally implimented, Federal regulations sent to me by Dan Erbes, Nevada Lands Manager, Carson City, Nevada - BLM. Metal detectors and magnets are an allowable device for aid in the casual collecting of meteorites. A limit of ten pounds PER PERSON annually. I was told that if you find a thirty pound individual, or individuals, just make sure you have three people involved. Permits are available for scientific collection and commercial activities. Amendments have already been discussed, but not approved, to take care of the obvious unworkability of some aspects of the commercial permit regs, especailly the fee based on the estimated value of the land to be hunted. http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/info/regulations/Instruction_Memos_and_Bulletins/national_instruction/2012/IM_2012-182.html Good hunting, Count Deiro IMCA 3536
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa7034
Hello Aziz, This one is beauty, thank you for sharing the photos. Best Regards, Pat hello guys well i put photo of a nice 39.2 gr nwa7034 on my flivkr enjoy http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/ you need any info email me aziz h imca6220 __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Clean looking Buehler Isomet Saw on eBay for $1100
Hi All, This is not my saw, but I marked as ad just out of caution. This is a clean looking isomet saw that is on buy it now for less than $1100 including shipping. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buehler-IsoMet-Low-Speed-Saw-Model-11-1180-160-/321010795024?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4abdbc0210 Best Regards, Pat Brown __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crust
Hi Chris, This is an interesting question. I would imagine for a meteorite to survive a landing on Mars, that it would have to slow down to a degree. The only mechanism is friction with the atmosphere. The extreme speed should be enough to create a plasma, and so a fusion crust should form. It might well be pretty thin, but i believe a crust would form. An engineer's view Best Regards, Pat From: cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:31:32 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Fusion Crust Would a meteorite found Mars show a fusion crust or is the Martian atmosphere too thin? Chris Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup?
Hi Norm and the List, Norm, I agree with you that for those of us who are not interested in selling the meteorites that we find on BLM land the 'new' rules are not a problem. In fact the new rules explicitly grant ownership (with some limits about selling or bartering) of the first 9.999 pounds of meteorites to the finder. The general rule stating that 'the meteorite belongs to the land owner' could easily be interpreted as all meteorites found on all federal lands belong to the US government. This 'new' rule says that with some limitations the meteorite belongs to the finder. For the professional hunters who want to profit from their finds, there is a clear route to be able to be able to do so. I hate bigger government and more rules in general. However, if I were to sell, I would want to know that I could do so without a governmental claim of ownership. Yes, there is some paperwork and delay. Just my 2 cents worth. Best Regards, Pat Are finds made before the 'new' rule exempt of the selling/bartering requirement? Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2012 20:17:21 -0700 From: nlehr...@nvbell.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] New BLM regs: Tempest in a teacup? All, I have been following this thread with great confusion, and maybe there IS something I don't understand. Meteorite collecting has previously fallen under the general rules of rockhounding, and the new changes merely formalize a specific policy that is no great change from the past rules. I am quite sure I will be hugey chastised for my ignorance. Please correct me if I missed something. The previous rules said 25 pounds and/or one rock. Now it's 10 pounds and no provision for the big one with respect to meteorites. How often will that actually afect us? Almost never. The use of motorized vehicles off marked roads is also a general policy, not just for us. Metal detectors are explicitly allowed. Surely a magnet on a stick is also still fine. Commercial exploitation of BLM ground is subject to a long standing guideline. Find a monster? It is only fair that the land-owner (all Americans) should get some benefit. This is no change. If you want to harvest building stones or ornamental boulders, you pay a fee. We will too. No real change. I see no great disaster here. Just a formalization of a specific policy, thanks (?) to our own loud self-promotion in its various forms. Of course they had to get explicit. It is not much more than a clear, specific, restatement of the rules we were all subject to before now. Or did no one understand this? Yes, they may choose to make their point by prosecuting someone, but I will be amazed if this involves changes in the law. Just enforcement of those already extant. At worst with fairly minor changes. Have at it. I am waiting to be reprimanded for my folly. What am I missing? Best, Norm (www.tektitesource.com) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Display Cabinets
Hi Bill and the List, This is an interesting subject, please share you findings with the rest of us. My setup: 1) Big Gibeon (69Kg) is on a six sided woodcarving table that my father build 2) Most of the smaller stuff is in a 2 piece glass fronted cabinet that originally went with a TV armoire. It looks like a curio cabinet, but is heavily built with wood shelves. 3) In my sitting room, I have my Grandmother's 4 section stacked barrister glass fronted book case This only covers a part of the collection, so I am always looking for curio cabinets. However, many are not built to handle much weight. I have been looking on craigslist primarily. The all glass commercial store cabinets are nice, but a little expensive and they don't look kike normal furnishing, not a problem for a bachelor like me:) Best Regards, Pat Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:11:52 -0600 From: dreadrock@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Display Cabinets Hello everyone, I was just wondering what people use for display cabinets. I am looking into getting a new one and just wanted to see what others are using. Thanks -Bill __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BLM New Meteorite Hunting Rules
Hi All, The new rules do seem pretty balanced and fair for those of us who do not sell their finds, however, those individuals who are operating from a more commercial point of view will be troubled more :(. The new rules do raise a few questions: 1) Are meteorites collected before the new rule also subject to the no sale / no barter restriction for 'casual' collectors? 2) Does hunting from a motor vehicle (pickup /motorcycle/quad) count as motorized collecting equipment? 3) I can see 10 pounds as a bag limit in your possession, but it seems very hard to enforce for a per year limit. 4) What do you do if you find the big one? Is conversion to a commercial permit possible after you find the big one? Best Regards, Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords
Hi Rob, Thank you for a wise, logical and well balanced response. We do need to maximize the accuracy and volume of the data for science and at the same time allow the hunters in the field some level of confidentiality of the find coordinate data. This said, it is commendable when individuals do share exact find coordinates shortly after the find with other serious hunters as long as this does not devolve the field work into a circus. With Best Regards, Pat Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 15:35:00 -0700 From: robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: d...@dougross.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com CC: chief_scient...@galacticanalytics.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some thoughts on find coords Hi All, I would concur with Doug Ross's and Mike Miller's take on the meteorite coordinate publication problem, and would opine that the least-offending solution is to embargo coordinates for some period of time to respect the efforts of hard-working meteorite hunters while still satisfying the scientific community. In the (rare) case of a meteorite fall for which radar data exists, the general search area and trend line are well known -- at least to those who know how to download and interpret said data, or have been willing to pay those who do. But even with such information in hand, there are classical meteorite hunting skills that relatively few people possess. With the understanding that there can be significant clustering of meteorites in a fall, I don't know that I would be particularly thrilled if a tyro was shadowing me in the field based on coordinates of a fresh find I had made a day or two earlier. Aside from the overall fairness aspect of the situation, it is a guaranteed distraction to hunting efficiency if you are constantly wondering whether you are covering ground that someone else has already searched. But perhaps more to the heart of the matter, there is really no scientific urgency in making exact find coordinates public when the radar returns for a fall can span over 20 square kilometers. If anything, published coordinates can actually be a scientific hindrance, because the overall search area will not be covered as thoroughly when people choose to concentrate their efforts on where the latest find happened to be made. On a final note, I would like to think that the promise of embargoing find coordinates for some period of time would be more conducive to accurate reporting of those coordinates (though still no guarantee). When people are pressured into reporting coordinates before they are ready, they will fudge -- even independent of any find location legal issue. If scientists want to maximize data accuracy and completeness, they cannot ignore human psychology. Fairness and proportionate compensation are just as relevant to meteorite hunting as any other competitive human endeavor. Good Hunting to All, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is anyone sharing the coordinates of the Battle Mountain Find?
Hello to the List, I am going to be enroute in the next 24 to 30 hours from the Bay Area to the Denver Show. I could easily go via Battle Mountainon the I-80 route, If anyone is sharing Battle Mountain data please email. Thank You, Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New fall in Nevada? Specifics?
Hi to all of the Listoids this Sunday afternoon, Is there any more detail about the possible Nevada fall? (I have checked out Dirk's page already, not enough data yet) Thank You, Pat Brown __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Touchdown
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[meteorite-list] Request for Moderate to Cheap hotel recommendations for the Denver show
Hello to the List, This year, for the first time I will be attending the Denver show. Can anyone recommend a cheap to moderate cost hotel close to the meteorite dealers? Are most of the meteorite dealers in one hotel or are they spread around like the Tuscon show? Anything else I should know? Thank You, Pat Brown __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glass for thin sections ?
Hi Marcin, I have ordered petrologic glass slides and cover glass from Wards Scientific Supply. The slides: http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0004280_A_name_E_Petrographic+Microscope+Slides The cover slips: http://wardsci.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_IG0005410_A_name_E_Rectangular+Glass+Coverslips The slides are 27x46mm and the specified thickness is 1.2mm, the cover slips are 24x40mm - I bought the 0.15mm thickness There should be a European supplier. Pat From: mar...@meteoryt.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:06:18 +0100 Subject: [meteorite-list] Glass for thin sections ? Hi Where I can buy (or how to search it) glass for thin sections ? Or this is normall glass ? And what is standard thickness ? 1 mm or can be also 2mm ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] have the Meteoritical Society caught up on mailing MAPS?
Hi all, Have the Meteoritical Society caught up on mailing MAPS in the current month yet? I have not received Jan or Feb 2011 yet. Thank You, Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campos on Ebay
Hello Count and the List, One interesting detail about reporting an eBay listing is that the boxes to check off in the report process do not give one an opportunity to report that an item is not genuine. However, there is a way, after you have made a purchase, to report that the item which you have received is not as described. Therefore you must buy an item to report that it is not as listed. One possible explanation. Pat Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 20:09:11 -0800 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: i...@imcamail.de CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Campos on Ebay Hi all who are interested, At Anne's suggestion, I tried to contact the seller without success. In my attempt, I offered to bid on all of his Campos subject to my inspection... as he gives a Las Vegas address. I just noticed that experienced buyers of meteorites are bidding on these offerings. Interesting? http://cgi.ebay.com/88-g-Beautiful-Campo-Del-Cielo-Iron-Meteorite-/200582194107?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2eb3a163bb Regards to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Again!
These look like slag to me. Pat Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:09:17 -0500 From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay, Again! His email says g.marcos @ yahoo. Looks like obsidian to me. impact...@aol.com wrote: Hello, Yes, back to meteorites. Maybe! This Ebayer has just been brought to my attention: _http://shop.ebay.com/hroller22/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562_ (http://shop.ebay.com/hroller22/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562) He is selling a lot of Campos, odd ones with only 11% iron! I don't believe anyone of them has ever been in space. Would anyone of you know that seller? He is in Las Vegas, so maybe one of you Las Vegas meteorite-experts might like to talk to him about real meteorites. Count Deiro? you said you were bored!!! ;-) Good luck. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com President, I.M.C.A. Inc. http://www.imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Excellent work Ruben, Thank You
Hello to Ruben and the List, Thank you for the auction live webcast. It was very entertaining. Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Struers Discoplan TS - Thin section saw and grinder - Manuals Wanted
Hello Thin Section Fans, I have purchased a Struers Discoplan TS thin section saw and grinder. I am looking for Struers manuals and any information on vacuum chucks for this machine. Also still looking for information on thin section making. This is for my entertainment and not a commercial venture. Thank You, Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted: A thin section grinding machine Also wanted: Info about your machine / methods
Hello Thin Section Fans, After making a few thin sections by hand, I am in the market for a thin section grinding machine. * This is strictly for hobby use for my own entertainment, not a commercial venture. * What machine or technique do you use? What do you like or dislike about your machine and/or other tools. Where do you purchase petrological size glass slides? Among the 'standard' sizes, which one do you use? What epoxy or other glue do you use? Do you 'frost' the slide as some of the instructions on the web specify? Is this for epoxy adhesion and does it interfere with the viewing of the thin section? What motion do you use when lapping by hand? This video shows a straight line back and forth motion on a spinning lap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzZWZdLb6lA How do you deal with the tendency of the chip to stick to the lap when using the finer abrasives on the lap? I am currently practicing on some mid-grade UNWAs purchased last year at Tucson. I will not be attending the Tucson show this year (work is interfering with my life too much, and no, I am not independently wealthy) . I have an Ameritool 4/5 trim saw that I use to cut the 'chip' and I am using EasyCast epoxy from Tap Plastics. Tap Plastic sells polyethylene molds that are 1.35 x 2 x 1 deep. For mold release, I am using a very minute layer of furniture type paste wax. I have used these molds to embed the 'chip' in epoxy. One face is lapped flat using a combination of the Ameritool 8 lap and a Buehler Ecomet III variable speed 8 lap. The flat side is glued to a glass slide (I am using a regular 1 x 3 microscope slide cut down to 1 x 2). The rest of the meteorite is cut off free hand. The meteorite material on the slide is then ground and lapped down to something close to 30 microns. The margin between a slide that is thin enough to be usable and having the whole thing disappear is small when lapping completely by hand, so it is time for a thin section grinding machine. My formal education is in electronic engineering, however my work for the last 10-11 years has a large mechanical engineering content. The polarizing microscope collection here includes * Olympus BH trinocular with the 165mm round stage and mostly S Plan objectives including an S Plan FL2 that I love using * Lomo Polam P211 * Zeiss Standard with round stage and a set of dedicated centering strain free objectives * Olympus KHC with home-made polarizers * AO Junior Polarizing Microscope Model 45 with the smallest rotating round stage in the original covered plywood carry case * Tucsen 9.1MP camera with Zeiss software (free version) * Various wave plates quarter, half and full wave, De Senarmont, Nakamura half shadow and a quartz wedge Thank you in advance for any information you can share with me. An off-list response is preferred. Best Regards, Pat Brown The Buehler Petrothin looks like a nice tool. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The New Meteorite Man!
Hello to the list, Check out ebay item number 120661711027 This nutcase also claims to be selling a North American Biologic Planetary Meteorite with clear evidence of well preserved fossils of crab, sea worms, clams and other sea life. This one is a game changer along with the associated non-existent 125 meter diameter crater formed in 2006, and it is on film! So are the users of ebay smart enough to see through this one Sigh.. Pat Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:36:24 -0800 From: raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The New Meteorite Man! It looks like Steve C. is claiming he is The real meteorite man Look at the bottom of his descriptions and you will see; We thank you for your interest, and for your understanding! Steve Curry/President; a.k.a The Real Meteorite Man! UNCO Meteorites Link to one of his many North American Lunar Meteorites: http://cgi.ebay.com/North-American-Lunar-Meteorite-/120661212997?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item1c17f7ff45 This Guy should talk to Bob Haag, the original Meteorite Man, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - November 24, 2010
Hi Michael, Another awesome RFSPoD, thank you! Patrick Scientific Lifestyle Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:33:30 -0800 From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - November 24, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_24_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test Plain Text 9 - please delete
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Nevada Find?
Hello to the List, This cut surface also shows small vesicles that make one wonder if it is one of the few meteorites that have vesicles. I would certainly have picked it up and submit for closer inspection. Sonny is very experienced and has made some spectacular finds, I hope this one turns out to be another rare type. Best Regards, Pat Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:10:35 -0500 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Nevada Find? Listees, Sonny Clary sliced a piece off this found desert specimen and mentioned that I might want to let the List look at the remainder,in hopes I will get some opinions. It is slightly heavier than similar terrestial rocks, makes a dark streak, is attracted lightly to a neomydium mag, enough to support the missing 30 gram slice. Carbonaceous condrite? Meteor wrong? What say you? Incidentally, that's one of Joe's titanium scale cubes. As you can see, they are a very dark grey and very sharp edges and very heavy. http://members.cox.net/countdeiro/PC210229.JPG Thanks for looking, Count Deiro __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com
Hello to the List, 'Just received my scale cube today as well. This is a very impressive bit of work! The markings are very crisp. This makes my desert meteorite hunting withdrawals even worse. Pining for the Playa, Pat Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:10:25 -0800 From: damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scalecubes.com The mail service was a little slow, taking two weeks for my cubes to arrive, but today arrive they did. I notice Jeff's site shows these are almost sold out, so I'd like to add my voice to the chorus and recommend that all who are considering purchasing one or more of these fine cubes, do so asap! -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning
a6d0b450ad084cdfb782498064dd4...@d190th71 e24c00ff4cbe4d368e5694db76a36...@meteorroom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Dave and the List=2C=20 Excellent article and very timely.=20 I would suggest one more item to add to Step #6: Namely=2C cultivating a love for meteorites and tektites and related materi= als in some of your children=2C grandchildren=2C nieces=2C nephews=2C etc.= =20 Personally=2C I value keeping most of my collection in my family. Sure=2C t= here are a few items that were specifically purchased as investments=2C but= I want the majority of my collection to fuel this passion in my descendant= s/kin.=20 Towards that end=2C for Christmas each year=2C I prepare a special -additio= nal- gift for each of my children (23 and 20 yrs old) and my nieces and nep= hews (15 yrs to 3 yrs old) that is space rock related. I also include a gif= t certificate to a bookstore to cultivate a love of books and life long lea= rning.=20 One year I gave each of them a framed in-situ photo and customized topo map= printout with each child's name and a small Nevada meteorite that I recove= red from the field. I used a two sided glass frame with the in-situ photo v= isible from the front with the meteorite mounted below=3B the back of the f= rame showed the topo map with the latitude and longitude coordinates and a = title of Fred's Meteorite. Nearly every one of these went to grammar scho= ol 'show and tell'. At least one niece has a meteorite 'shrine' on top of h= er dresser. One year=2C I made up some lunar micros potted in epoxy in a hold punched t= hrough a laminated business card glued down to a piece of sheet metal. This= allowed the kids to 'touch the moon'.=20 Another year the kids each got an SNC micro in a riker mount with a customi= zed laminated collection card in each child's name.=20 There are 10 kids=2C nieces and nephews total in my clan=3B so if I get a 1= 0% yield=2C that cultivates one collector to pass on my collection to. If t= he yield is10%=2C then the collection can be logically divided.=20 Each family was given a copy of our own O. Richard Norton's _Rocks from Spa= ce_=3B which I can highly praise as a great introduction to the subject for= scientifically literate children of all ages.=20 Are your young kin scientifically literate? It is literally never too early= to start! (pun intended) Christmas is coming up=3B what am I going to do this year?.. Best Regards=2C=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Pat - scientific lifestyle From: d...@fallingrocks.com To: linton...@earthlink.net Date: Fri=2C 30 Oct 2009 20:56:48 -0400 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning Linton All=2C Thanks for reading the article=2C and I'm glad it may have inspired an id= ea or two. Thanks to the few dozen who sent very nice off list notes about the article as well. I'd say all of our collections are humble at the end of the day=2C and that it's humbling for us to have them at all. It's not often that repeatedly hearing things like your article really scared me is a good thing=2C but it's great to see that some thinking ma= y have been provoked. Simple stuff=2C but oh how often we let the simple st= uff fall right through the cracks of time =3B-) All the best=2C Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: Linton Rohr [mailto:linton...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday=2C October 29=2C 2009 4:28 PM To: d...@fallingrocks.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning Dave=2C I enjoyed reading your article again=2C despite having read it in Met Mag already. I'm in the midst of updating the recent acquisitions and sales in my humble collection. I'm living on borrowed time already=2C as we all are really=2C so it is important to me that my wife is left with more than a = pile of rocks to sort through. Your article gives me some ideas on how I can improve my system. And don't worry=2C I'll enjoy life while doing so. =3B= ^) Thank you. Linton - Original Message - From: Dave Gheesling=20 To: 'bill kies'=20 Cc:=20 Sent: Thursday=2C October 29=2C 2009 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Collection succession planning Bill All=2C A couple of notes have come in expressing trouble with the link=2C yours being the second=2C so go to www.fallingrocks.com=2C hit Links Resources on = the home page=2C then hit Temporary Custodians under the Media header. Interesting to see insight from you re: concern over negative things=2C = but=2C to keep this positive=2C perhaps you might spend two minutes giving it a read before posting said assumptions? I doubt the notion is one that might drive readers to a monastery or Zoloft. Pretty simple stuff=2C and a real sham= e when such an easy
Re: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question
Hello Larry and the List, This is an interesting and very commonly asked question that I have been asked in talks to school kids etc. I have tried to make it through Opik _Physics of Meteor Flight in the Atmosphere_. However, it is far too easy to get bogged down in the math. OK, that said; this engineer's guess is * An incoming velocity range of 15,000 to 25,000 gives an kinetic energy range of 2.8:1 * The entry angle could affect the time of incandescent flight as well. The ratio of 90 deg to almost zero deg could be a 2:1 ratio as well * Even if we limit ourselves to Chondrites, and assumed a constant speed and entry angle, the range of internal strength of the material is an important part of the answer. I tell the kids that the range of strength of the stone meteorites ranges from almost dirt clod weak (e.g. Bjurbole, Tagish Lake) where the survival percentage is perhaps 99% of mass loss. At the other end is a strong ordinary chondrite without internal cracks and little or no shock that could be in the 50% mass loss range. As an average, I have been telling the kids that basketball in space equils softball size when it reaches the surface. [For our international friends a basket ball is 0.74 meters in circumference and a softball is 0.30 meters in circumference.] Please do let us know what you get for answers from Rob Matson and the rest of the List. Best Regards, Pat Brown Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 19:51:55 -0700 From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] meteoroid question Hi all: I am involved with a teacher professional development workshop this week and the teachers give us questions that they hope we can answer for them. I am fine with most of them (such is Pluto a planet?), but I figured that, before I give them a partially correct answer, I would ask the experts out there for their responses: What is the rate at which things burn up when they enter Earth’s atmosphere? About how much material is burned up (mass per unit time)? Along that same idea, for a typical chondritic meteoroid, what is the minimum size that you might expect to make it through the atmosphere and land as a meteorite? Ballpark is fine since, clearly there are many factors involved (initial velocity, angle of entry, material strength etc.). Thanks in advance. Larry __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test only please delete
Test 2 _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson show - RV Questions
Hello to the List, This year I plan to drive to the Tucson show in a van that will be converted to a meteorite hunting RV. It will be a 1 ton or Dodge Sprinter body, so it is not that big, no slide-outs etc. I have a few questions, would you mind sharing some of your Tucson info? (off list is fine) * It looks like it is not strictly legal to sleep in your car in Arizona (anti vagrancy law?). Are the 'don't sleep in your car laws' enforced if you keep a low profile and are respectful of the area? * Can one park the RV in one of the gravel parking lots like the big one in front of the Park Suites hotel and stay overnight or for several days? Have you heard of anyone being told that they can't occupy an RV overnight there? * If an RV park is the lowest hassle option, can you recommend one close to the show hotels? Any other tips? Thanks, Pat _ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Hi Eric and the List, Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the windshield melted, it looks much more like the plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the impacting object. The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting cars and houses. Pat Brown Hardware Reliability Engineer (and ex-materials engineer) --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood
Hi Eric, John, and the List, I am not proposing that the plastic film melted. These types of plastic have a pretty high melting point, I think it mearly stretched without a whole lot of heat. The period of time that this impactor spent going through this windshield was very short (assuming free fall speeds of ~200mph, not orbital speeds), not enough time to transfer enough heat to melt glass or a very tough plastic film (polyvinyl butyral, or PVB). Pat --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: radio_ra...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 1:15 PM The plastic film might be melted but I can't tell by the photos. If it is then that would mean that the piece of debris was obviously hot while in flight. Since we are reasonably sure that a meteorite of this size capable of producing a hole the size of the one seen in the photo couldn't have been hot enough to melt the protective coating (particularly at the speeds needed to produce the hole) on the windshield then I would venture to say it might have been a piece of fiery -and heavy- debris from some Earthy and very terrestrial explosion. A burning piece of machinery or metal can fly very far (perhaps a mile or more) from the location of an explosion. Perhaps this is the answer. But this hangs on the supposition that the window coating is in fact melted, which you can't tell by the photos. These excerpts from the article say most of it: ...'There was a loud explosion and bright light,' Orsot said. Rustled from his sleep, Orsot looked outside but didn't see anything unusual, so he went back to bed. Shasta County sheriff's deputies responded ...to a cluster of 911 calls in the neighborhood - all reporting a startling sound... ...'It was a big kaboom,' said Leroy Bolls, the couple's next-door neighbor. 'Like a sonic boom, but real close.'... He and his wife, Suzie, said the sound was strong enough to shake their house, and they thought a propane tank might have exploded... The piece pictured in the article is very small, maybe an inch or two and very light. ..The piece Birondo still has at his office weighs 0.07 of a gram.. This is not the main impactor. ...Birondo said he sent one to the state Department of Justice crime laboratory. He hasn't heard back from scientists there on what the material might be... We'll just have to wait and see what the lab says, if they say anything at all.. Eric Pat Brown wrote: Hi Eric and the List, Interesting photos. I highly doubt that the windshield melted, it looks much more like the plastic film between the layers of glass (that make it safety glass as used in windshields) just stretched from the impacting object. The photo of the 'debris' inside the car shure does not look like a meteorite or a re-entered piece of space junk. It also does not look like a blade from a big wood chipper like the last few 'meteorites' hitting cars and houses. Pat Brown Hardware Reliability Engineer (and ex-materials engineer) --- On Thu, 3/12/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote: From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Unidentified object from sky destroys car in Cottonwood To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 9:06 AM What?! A meteorite or space debris? ..A meteorite may have been what smashed into the windshield of a Cottonwood couple's sport utility vehicle late last month, destroying much of the dashboard and melting some of the glass... http://www.redding.com/news/2009/mar/12/unidentified-object-from-sky-destroys-car-in/ The photos of the supposed meteorite look like debris of some sort. Not like any meteorite I've ever seen. Could it be a piece of Satellite, and who was the collector offering $10K for the meteorite? Hmm Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Desert Speaks visits Tucson show and Haag on at 7PM10PM Pacific in 15 min
Hi All, On an HD chanel called HDT High Definition Theatre at 7PM Pacific Daylight Savings time (and repeats at 10PM) tonight is an episode of a good show called _The Desert Speaks_, that includes a visit to the Tucson Fossil and Meteorite show, digging for fish fossils and a visit to Bob Haag. The date shows 2006 in the tvguide.com site. Might be worth while. Pat in Eastern Washington State __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite for sale
Hi Ruben and the List, That is one very fine looking meteorite, might even be the pick of the litter! Thanks for the photos. Pat --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Ruben Garcia meteoritem...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Ruben Garcia meteoritem...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Awesome 11 gram oriented West Texas meteorite for sale To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 5:36 PM Email me off list for price 98% crusted only two tiny dings - here it is http://www.mr-meteorite.net/westforsale.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Might Something Need To Be Done Department
Darryl and the list, That Allende is the most studied is in part due to luck. In what was one of the best ways to spend our tax dolars, IMNSHO, the USA built a team of the best scientists with the best tools to study the lunar rocks. This team was all dressed up with no rocks to study, and along comes Allende. The question, IMNSHO, is not: Why is Allende so inexpensive?, it is: Why is Murchison is so much more expensive? Murchison TKW 100Kg per the Meteoritical Bulletin Allende TKW 100Kg per the Meteoritical Bulletin Anybody want to sell me some Murchison? Pat Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites --- On Sun, 2/15/09, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Might Something Need To Be Done Department To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, February 15, 2009, 10:25 AM It seems odd, does it not, that the single most researched meteorite (Allende) sells for only $10/g? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What are the top 10 most scientifically important meteorites?
OK Allende Murchison ALH84001 Tagish Lake Canyon Diablo (for it's Crater) Nakhla Calcalong Creek Orgueil Lost City (camera network data, orbit) Peekskill (videos, orbit data) --- On Fri, 2/13/09, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: [meteorite-list] What are the top 10 most scientifically important meteorites? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, February 13, 2009, 3:55 PM Hi all, Just thought it might be interesting to discover list members opinions on what they would choose as the most important meteorites with regard to science? Which ones have been the most significant in increasing our understanding of the evolution of our solar system, and what they have taught us? Graham Ensor, UK. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NASA Publication - Exploring Meteorite Mysteries (for teachers)
Hi Michael and the List, This book is available as a free .pdf file at: http://books.google.com/books?id=vbF-ZLb7608Cprintsec=frontcoverdq=teachers+guide+to+meteoriteslr=as_brr=1as_pt=ALLTYPES or just do a google book search and you will find it. With Best Regards, Pat Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites --- On Thu, 12/18/08, Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA Publication - Exploring Meteorite Mysteries (for teachers) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 4:47 PM Hi folks! This is another heads up about a great meteorite-related item for teachers and people doing outreach work involving space sciences : It's a comprehensive lesson plan for teachers that covers all aspects of meteorites - falls, types, craters, parent bodies, chemistry, and more. It also has some great ideas for demonstrations and hands-on activities. The publication is from 1997, so some of the information is a little dated, but the majority of it is still accurate. There is also a filmstrip and meteorite sample kit that NASA will send to accompany this lesson plan (on request) - although I don't know if they are still doing this and I don't have these materials myself, just the book. The book is about 200+ doubles-sided pages that have 3-holes for a ring binder. Best of all, the book is PUBLIC DOMAIN and no permission is needed to duplicate it. It is aimed towards students from Grades 5 through 12. (pretty good coverage) In the near future, I am going to run off a couple of copies at Kinkos for loaner distribution to friends of mine who are teachers, and if anyone here on the list is interested, contact me offlist. Here are a few photos of the book (which is unbound) - My copy was brand new and still in the cellophane. http://s268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/NASA/ More good news - Amazon.com has ONE copy of this book for sale for $20! Here is a link. (I am not affiliated with the seller in any way) - http://www.amazon.com/Exploring-Meteorite-Mysteries-Teachers-Activities/dp/B0010XXSS2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1229646974sr=8-1 Regards and Happy Holidays! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus?
Hello fellow listoids, Mexico Doug's post about Michael Collins praises a lesser known hero of the Apollo program. IMNSHO, Michael Collins is also the most gifted author among his Apollo brethern. In his books _Carrying the Fire_ and _Liftoff_ Michael captures some of the awe in a project with superlative after superlative. It should also be noted that Michael's solo orbit of the moon made him the lonliest person ever up to that time. When Michael was on the opposite side of the moon from Earth (the so called dark side), he was the farthest individual human from any other humans. Following the United States manned spaceflight program kindled my interest in the pure and applied sciences and was a major formative experience for myself and most of my peers. And to think that decades later we are now the proud owners (or perhaps stewards) of meteorites including material from the moon...wow. All this makes me proud to be an American. Best Regards, Pat Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites Engineer by Vocation, Meteorite Hunter While on Vacation --- On Fri, 12/12/08, mexicod...@aim.com mexicod...@aim.com wrote: From: mexicod...@aim.com mexicod...@aim.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus? To: fuzzf...@comcast.net, michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 9:55 AM Hello listees, In this time for reflection and renewal, it's hard to have any complaints ... hmmm but, I just read this eBay auction and Mike B's post answering MikeG and feel the need to talk about an human exploration hero greater than Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, the two explorers as mentioned in the auction link. Like the Mighty Boosh, the opportunistic seller is hocking his barely perceptible particules while forgetting the third crew member that literally wrote the book on piloting base and contingency plans for the Apollo 11 command module around the Moon while Neil and Buzz checked out. Hats off to (another) Mike ! The man who safely brought these guys back from the Moon, and I am thinking the first person to orbit the Moon solo while he was at it - Is that an accomplishment?) - what an experience! Being meteorite folk it is hard to say being on the Moon's surface wouldn't have been more spectacular, but I think being completely out of touch in the command module especially tranquilly flying over the far side of the Moon alone for a day at only 113 miles altitude with a world's responsibility on his shoulders ... Then to make be the orbital pickup of the module, which seems to me the hardest part of the whole voyage. THREE (3) Cheers for our favorite Florida swamp boy, Major General Collins! and for being a superb team member bringing back the first 20 Kg of the Moon! Best wishes, Christmas and Holiday Greetings to all, Doug -Original Message- From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: michael w gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:15 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus? Hello Mike G, I can vouch for this item and tell you that it is the real deal. There have been several presentations made with swatches of BetaCloth or other materials stained with lunar dust. Florian has been the primary supplier of these presentations and it is all legit. You can read more about his presentations on the collectSPACE.com forums. I might note that stained hardware and artifacts are the only legal way to own lunar material from the Apollo missions. Owning several lunar meteorites, I could care less about buying 10 grains of Apollo lunar glass. BUT... what makes this artifact desirable (to me, anyway) is that it is an authentic artifact from Apollo 11 - the 'grail' of human exploration. Cheers, Mike Bandli - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:43:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus? Hi ladies and gentlemen (and friends watching at home!) - It's time to play America's favorite game - REAL OR BOGUS? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320324463986 Today's offering comes from the intrepid world of eBay. Here we see something billed as real moon dust that was recovered from Neil Armstrong's camera magazine. So, I have to ask everyone who is playing - REAL OR BOGUS? (If I was a gambling man, I'd say BOGUS) Regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2008
Hi Michael and Fellow Listiods, I will add my voice to the chorus, we are glad to see you back on the list with your RfSPOD. I also want to thank Michael Gilmer for filling the void. Some of the incredible meteorites on RfSPOD are for sale and are using RfSPOD as an erzats advertising channel. I do not find this offensive, but seeing as there is a revenue channel, why not have a voluntary donation associated with meteorites that are for sale? I would not trouble Michael J with enforcing the collection of this fee, so I propose a gentlemans (and ladies) agreement that meteorites for sale on RfSPOD are associated with a (well deserved) donation to support the effort. Viva Rocks from Space Picture of the Day Pat --- On Wed, 11/26/08, Michael Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Michael Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - November 27, 2008 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 9:00 PM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/November_27_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob
Hi Pete and the List The word GobSmacked is Brittish slang, Gob=face or more like the way we say 'mug' as slang for face and smacked=hit. The engineers from our sister plant in Scotland use this slang in almost the same way as we say you could have knocked me over with a feather , supprised usually pleasantly. Pat --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Pete Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pete Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:50 PM At the risk of going s fr off topic as to never be able to find my way back, I ask the following: I readily admit that it sometimes does not take much to amuse me, but I find that the word Gobsmacked as probably one of the single most facinating words to ever appear on the internet. Please define. Pete - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Smacked by gob http://www.theage.com.au/national/googling-geologist-identifies-possible-meteorite-crater-out-the-back-of-bourke-20081122-6eix.html Googling geologist identifies possible meteorite crater out the back of Bourke * Richard Macey * November 23, 2008 A RETIRED geologist searching on Google Earth for a place to mine opals may have discovered something much bigger: a meteorite crater in outback NSW. Mike Fry, of Maryborough in central Victoria, was using the Google site last month to survey terrain when he saw an unusual structure in the red dust. The circular nature of this thing struck me, Mr Fry said. It was so distinctive, I was gobsmacked. Mr Fry, who earned a degree in geology from the University of New Mexico before coming to Australia 44 years ago to mine opals and gold, drove for 11 hours to the site to take a look. The site is about 10 kilometres north-east of White Cliffs, a town halfway between Broken Hill and Bourke in far north-western NSW. I have walked around it, he said, estimating his crater was at least two kilometres across. There is a steep slope on the eastern side, which rises 30 to 50 metres above the floor. The western rim was severely eroded. However, the eastern side had been preserved under a layer of sedimentary material called silcrete, formed from dissolved silica, that he believes was laid down more than 2 million years ago. Silcrete is as hard as concrete, Mr Fry said. The crater had to exist before the silcrete was laid down. Several scientists who looked at the images agreed that while circular shapes could be produced by many geological forces, including volcanic activity, the feature deserved further investigation. It does look the right sort of shape, said Andy Tomkins, of Monash University. It is the pattern you would expect to see. It looks interesting. Peter Haines, a senior geologist with the Geological Survey of Western Australia, said he would remain a bit sceptical until the site was tested. However, he added, just looking at it, it's something that should be followed up. Dr Tomkins and Dr Haines said finding microscopic evidence of rock that had suffered a severe shock would indicate an impact crater. If Mr Fry has found an impact crater, it would be the second such discovery using Google Earth. Last year Dr Arthur Hickman, a geologist with the Geological Survey of WA, found a crater, about 260 metres wide and up to 30 metres deep, in the Hamersley Ranges in WA's Pilbara region. Dr Haines said it was certainly possible a two-kilometre meteorite crater had gone unnoticed. It is not something that would necessarily attract the attention of someone who was not already thinking about a crater. A crater, agreed Dr Tomkins, could easily be missed. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] O'Keefe _Tektites and Their Origin_ full contents on website
Dear Listoids, This may be old news for some of you, but at the risk of repeating, the full content of a quite hard to find and expensive book on Tektites is available in full and quite free at: http://originoftektites.com/index.php The website explains that O'Keefe's work was sold as a book by Elsevier in the form of one arrangement but that the work was paid for by the US taxpayers and hence in the public domain. The above mentioned website contains the full text and all the figures, drawings, charts and phtots as published in the book. Enjoy Best Regards, Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter while on vacation __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
Hi Arnaud and fellow listoids, Why have these small Holbrooks with AMNH labels become so popular? I have 2 (which are not for sale) that I bought from ET about 15 years ago for very little. There was one in Michael Blood's auction in Tucson this year that brought good money, was weighed to the nearest milligram and placed in a membrane box. Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter when on vacation --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Arnaud Mignan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Arnaud Mignan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:22 PM Hello, I'm looking for some small Holbrooks from AMNH - Please contact me off-list if you have some for sale or trade For trade, I have for example: Viedma full slice of 132g (there must be less than 10 full slices existing) Juancheng individual of 93g (with secondary FC) Lost City part slice with FC of 0.42g (Schwade/Smithsonian) Thanks, Arnaud _ Téléphonez gratuitement à tous vos proches avec Windows Live Messenger ! Téléchargez-le maintenant ! http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/1.asp __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH
Hi Arnaud and fellow listoids, Why have these small Holbrooks with AMNH labels become so popular? I have 2 (which are not for sale) that I bought from ET about 15 years ago for very little. There was one in Michael Blood's auction in Tucson this year that brought good money, was weighed to the nearest milligram and placed in a membrane box. Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter when on vacation --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Arnaud Mignan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Arnaud Mignan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] WANTED - Holbrook from AMNH To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 12:22 PM Hello, I'm looking for some small Holbrooks from AMNH - Please contact me off-list if you have some for sale or trade For trade, I have for example: Viedma full slice of 132g (there must be less than 10 full slices existing) Juancheng individual of 93g (with secondary FC) Lost City part slice with FC of 0.42g (Schwade/Smithsonian) Thanks, Arnaud _ Téléphonez gratuitement à tous vos proches avec Windows Live Messenger ! Téléchargez-le maintenant ! http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/1.asp __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites now Available
I pre-ordered on May 26th and my Amazon account shows that the book shipped by 2nd day air (I have joined Amazon's Prime program that offers expedited order fulfillment and 2nd day air shipment on all orders for $80/yr) on Monday the 23rd and shows expected delivery on Wednesday June the 25th. Best Regards, Pat --- On Sun, 6/22/08, Charley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Charley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites now Available To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:32 AM Hi all, I ordered mine on Amazon.com when Mike first alerted the list (April 15) that the book was soon to be available. The cost was to be $25.05 (including free shipping and the pre-order discount) . About a week and a half ago I received an email from Amazon telling me that there was a delay and asking me to respond if I was still interested. I responded in the affirmative and later received an email from Amazon that the new expected date was in late July. I just visited my Amazon order page and it shows that the anticipated shipping date is July 21 (and my pre-order discount has disappeared). Clicking on the book title takes me to the book description page where it is noted that the book is temporarily out of stock. Apparently Amazon is confused. Anyway, I've waited 2 months already so what is another month? It would be interesting to know if anyone actually receives the book before July 21. Best regards, Charley Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:05:31 -0400 From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites now Available To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:48:11 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: Good Morning- For those of you waiting- I just got an email at 9:30 this morning from Amazon that my book shipped. The book must have been released and Amazon now has them in. The odd thing was yesterday I got an email from them offering to cancel my order (if I didn't respond) as the delivery date was now undetermined. I'm glad I responded to continue with the order. Have a good day. Coincidentally, I was just looking at that on Amazon a few minutes ago, and wondering why nobody had mentioned getting theirs yet (release date at Amazon is shown as June 6th). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
Hi Darren and the List, I would suggest that he should be cautioned to wear a 3 layer thick foil helmet with a zirconium tube no more than 7mm diameter at the highest point of his head to allow his own thought process and not be overly influenced by the energy aura around the meteorite. You could further explain that it is especially important for any dogs in the household to wear a similar helmet without the zirconium tube as dog's cognitive abilities are affected 7 times worse than people. Also don't get that sucker near any undeveloped film, or too close to ones private bits if you want to have any more human children. I like the suggestion of selling it at a Star-Trek convention (but only if all visitors wear the foil helmet described above) Pat --- On Tue, 5/20/08, Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad) To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, May 20, 2008, 3:59 PM You could be... ...sorry to inform him that these kinds of meteorites hold a small but troubling chance of being a deadly source of radiation [note-- say radiation, NOT radioactivity]. To be safe, he should immediately wrap it in several layers of aluminum foil and store it in a metal bucket filled with sand [provide a link to a local hardware store selling sandbox type sand]. Then, tell him that if he has experienced unexplained aches or flu-like symptoms since finding the meteorite [he probably has] he may already been contaminated with radiation. Tell him that, to neutralize the radiation, he must bathe with a dilute mixture of warm soapy water, tomato juice, and rock salt. Inform that if he still feels symptoms afterwards, he should call poison control at 1-800-222-1222 for further instructions, and contact the local police to remove the meteorite. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about _Tektites in the Geological Record_
Hi all, Thank you John, Mike, Sean, Dirk, James and Aubrey for all the feedback on this Tektite book. You all are a great resource and as a result I saved some money by buying the book from Mike Jensen. The study of Tektites is very interesting in that we do not have all of the answers yet. There are many theories that attempt to explain the austrasian tektite strewn field and reconcile small airborne tektites with the large layered ones in SE Asia. Thank You and Best Regards, Pat Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Request: Review of the book - Tektites in the Geological Record
Hello Fellow Listoids, Do any of you own _Tektites in the Geological Record:Showers of Glass from the Sky_ ? There are very few of the tektite books that are not already in my bookshelf and this is one of them. Before I drop $130.00 on a paperback book, can any of you review this book? Thank you and Best Regards, Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites Engineer by vocation, meteorite hunter when on vacation ISBN 978-1862390850 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] fun meteorite video
Hi All, Is it possible that this etchant is ferric chloride? The thing that disturbs me about all of the etching videos is that no one wears safety glasses. None of these chemicals is eyeball friendly! Pat --- David Pensenstadler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Video! I wonder how many they are able to etch before their skin falls off or their lungs are seared - no gloves, no mask. Where does the spent Nitol go?? Still a great video. Dave --- Laurence Garvie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not sure if this was posted before, if not it is great fun. http://etching-meteorite-seymchan.blogspot.com/ Laurence __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Waaaayyyyyy OT
Hi Gary, I wish you good luck in your battle. I would also like to add to and to amplify your message. There are two PSA tests. The inexpensive one that is used for routine screening is called the _Total PSA Test_. Usually this will be of some value in determining if you have active prostate cancer, however this is not true for all men. There is a significant range in an individual's Total PSA test results and an absolute level is not a high confidence indicator of whether an individual has active prostate cancer. The Total PSA test should be a regular part of your annual physical. Having a number of tests 1 year apart establishes a baseline for YOU. Change from these baseline levels is more important than the absolute value. Be aware that there is a very strong genetic pre-disposition in prostate cancer risk. If you have a pattern of prostate cancer in your family, get an additional blood test called _Free PSA_. This is a more expensive test, but it is much more sensitive than the Total PSA test. The ratio of the Total PSA to Free PSA is a much better diagnostic indicator of the presence of active prostate cancer. The reason I know about this is that my father died of early onset agressive prostate cencer at the age of 64. He was diagnosed at age 55 and the cancer had already started to spread, making it inoperable. His PSA never got higher than 4.0ng/ml, even with very active prostate cancer. My younger brother caught his case of prostate cancer early enough to be cured via operation. He is alive today because he did both tests and established a baseline. Your doctor may argue against routine PSA tests, as there is aome risk of a false positive if your Total PSA number is higher than 4.0ng/ml. It is also true that if men live long enough they will almost all get prostate cancer. BUT, the prostate cancer that men get at age 80 , 90 etc. is generally a very non-agressive cancer and few of these older men will die of prostate cancer. So, get tested for _Total PSA_ early and establish a baseline. If there is a history of prostate cancer in your family (you will have to ask several relatives, as often people of the greatest generation do not talk about such things), get both the _Total PSA_ and the _Free PSA_ tests as part of your annual physical. Create a baseline for you. Pat Brown p.s. I am not a doctor or medical professional, I am an engineer that wants to be an informed patient. --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to go so off topic but if this post helps one person then I will happily endure the ire of my fellow listoids for years to come. I have been diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer. It could have been detected as early as 2000 or so had I had a simple PSA test then [Blood test. Costs about 15 or 20 dollars] and today I would not be approaching surgery and followup therapy for two years at the end of this month. My very first PSA was 6 times the panic button number, so its been growing in there for some time and is quite aggressive. Zero symptoms, so PSA is the best early detector. I urge every man on this list who is over 40 to get a PSA test, if not for yourselves, then for your wives, sons, daughters, girlfriends, mothers, fathers, friends and anyone else you care about. They need you in their lives and early detection means 99% survivability. Do it TODAY! NOT TOMORROW!!! [getting off soapbox now] Gary __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the August issue of Meteorite magazine
I am all for an online way to pay and puchasing a DVD of all the back issues. The $ that back issues sell for on ebay is a clear indicator that the demand is there! Pat --- tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd buy a DVD copy of the back issues as well. In fact, as cool as it is to have paper copies, a DVD would be much handier for searching and take up less space, which is at a premium in our house. Count me in. Tracy Latimer Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:37:26 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Call for Articles for the August issue of Meteorite magazine Hi Larry and Nancy The DVD sounds a great idea...count me in. Any chance of making the payment to subscribe to Meteorite magazine easier...eg..online...paypal or other whilst you're at it? I'm sure more copies would sell that way too. Graham Ensor UK _ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_realtime_042008 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Is this really Park Forrest on ebay? Legit?
Hi Listoids, I was looking over the egay listings and found: Park Forest Meteorite 341.1 g nod Item number: 220215403248 This stone has lost a lot of 'crust', is this one legit? Pat __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gary Curtiss
A Big Welcome to Gary Thank You for a new meteorite from the great state of Colorado. With Best Regards from a Colorado native, Pat Brown --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gary writes: OK, I never contribute to this list so here is my first entry... Hello Gary and List, This may be Gary's first entry, but, just in case someone thinks: Where have I heard that name before? I can help you a little: Clifford (L6; S3; W2) An 11.36 kg stone was found in uncultivated rangeland by a local resident who thought it looked unusual, and kept it in a rock garden. The stone was recognized as a meteorite in 1997 by Gary Curtiss. Classification and mineralogy (A. Rubin, UCLA): olivine, Fa25.2±0.3; shock stage, S3; weathering grade W2. Specimens: Main mass, Mr. Gary Curtiss, Lakewood, CO; type specimen, 46.6 g, UCLA; 596.5 g, NHM (Meteoritical Bulletin, No. 84, 2000 August). Best wishes, and, yes, Clifford is definitely more interesting than endless discussions about former List members and their respective reputations ;-) Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] '869?
Hi All, There was some 869 in big lots. Sahara Overland had a very nice looking 25Kg lot. Another tent seller at the Ramada Ltd was selling by the gram some stuff that really looked like 869, but was not identified as such. Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites --- Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Don, I did not see any at the Tucson Show but I do have a good supply of Best Quality individuals anywhere from 1 gram up to larger. Of course the smaller individuals are the most complete. I usually offer some on eBay in individual form or in 1-kilo lots. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Don Rawlings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] '869? 5 to 10 cents a gram for NWA869? Maybe a couple of years ago, but not any more. I heard that there was virtually none to be bought at the Tucson show. Can attendees confirm this? Don --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:56:45 EDT, you wrote: Hello List, Noticed this on ebay. Does it look like NWA 869 to you guys? Perhaps it's just that I've never seen this litho. Comments appreciated. http://cgi.ebay.com/NWA-869-meteorite-16-5-gram-polished-slice-NR_W0QQitemZ110 230760513QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I donno, looks like something old and rotten to me. 5 or 10 cents a gram seems about the right price for it. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Don Rawlings Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Report of meteorite hitting the ground near Lind, Washington
Hi All, A bright meteor was spotted over the pacific northwest this morning at about 5:30AM. There is a report by a commercial pilot of an impact with the ground near Lind, WA. Here is a blurb from the Spokane newspaper: http://www.spokesmanreview.com/breaking/story.asp?ID=13738 Pat in Spokane Valley. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New guy introduces himself with a couple of questions
Hi Michael and welcome to the hobby(obsession) . I have some thoughts on your questions: Asking questions is not a breach of list etiquette at all. Every question you ask will benefit you and the lurkers that are too shy to ask questions. 1) IMCA; Your comment in my opinion is very accurate, the IMCA seems to be more important for dealers to belong to. This list, Meteorite Magazine and Books are better sources of info for people new to the hobby. The two books you mentioned are the ones to start with. I also recommend _Find a Falling Star_ by H.H. Nininger (out of print, but relatively easy to find). I also recommend _Meteorites, Ice and Antarctica_ by Cassidy. 2) Cutting meteorites; you can use a tile saw blade obtainable to Home Depot, etc. Using a wet saw in a table saw is a problem, water and cast iron do not mix well. There are inexpensive tile saws available through Harbor Freight and the big box home stores (Home Depot, Lowes etc). There is also the Ameritool 4 inch wet saw. This saw will actually work with a 5 saw blade. The problem with tile saws and general use diamond blades is that they cut a wide kerf and consume a lot of the meteorite in the cutting process. The Ameritool saw can use diamond blades that will cut a kerf of less than 0.020. 3) Cutting small stones: The Ameritool saw is very easy to use and non-intimidating. I hand hold small stones down to less than 1 long for cutting with the Ameritool saw with great safety. Best Regards, Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites --- Michael Gilmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everyone and List Members!, I hope this is not a breach of list etiquette and if so, I apologize in advance for my indiscretion. I just wanted to take a moment and come out of the shadows where I have been quietly lurking and soaking up the collective wisdom of this group. My name is Michael Gilmer and I am a private newbie collector from southern Louisiana. One of our fellow list members got me started on collecting a year ago, and things have snowballed since then - with my personal collection growing by leaps and bounds. I'm not going to name drop, because he would probably be embarassed to hear me say this, but I consider him my meteorite mentor and his willingness to answer my questions in a friendly and patient matter impressed me quite a bit. So I want to thank him (you know who you are!) and also thank the other members of the list for sharing your immense knowledge of the field of meteorite collecting. I have dived into meteorites head first and started buying up the definitive books in the field - Rocks from Space, Cambridge Encyclopedia, and the like. I've tried to do my homework on the subject and I have tackled it in a similar, almost-obsessive way, that I approached telescopes and eyepieces - another hobby of mine that eats up my time and money! ;) But I still have a couple of nagging questions that I really can't find any answers for using the usual web searching. So I'd like to ask those questions here. :) 1) The IMCA. Is this group for private collectors, or just for collector/dealers who also sell specimens? I was looking over the IMCA website and I read the bylaws - and it appears to be a group of mostly dealers who police each other and police the general meteorite market looking for frauds and misclassifications, etc. Is there any advantage to joining the IMCA as a private collector with no intention to become a dealer? And if so, how does one go about joining and getting two members to vouch for you, if you are a total newbie to the field and don't have two vouchers? Do I just have to bide my time and earn my chops like everyone else did I assume? 2) Cutting open specimens - lapidary saws and lapidary blades seem to be the most preferred method. But, for cutting small practice specimens, could a diamond blade be adapted for a table saw or other powered saw (that is not a pricey and specialized lapidary saw) and could that be used to cut specimens? Oil fed/cooled saws also seem to be preferred, but could I use a regular saw and have an assistant inject coolant onto the cutting surface while I cut? How important is all of this for slicing in half very small specimens - smaller than a chicken egg for example? 3) Getting specimen classified. Is there a preferred place to have this done? I notice there are several places that offer this service and they vary. Is there one predominate service or are they all equally authoritative? Again, my sincere thanks to the group for providing such a wealth of info and ads! - yes, I have been buying some of your specimens - several of you. ;) Regards and happy hunting! Mike Gilmer Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all
Re: [meteorite-list] intriguing Question
Hi Jasoon, Peter and the List, Some thoughts on why the Sahara is so productive: Another significant factor is the climate over the past several thousand years. The sahara and parts of the American southwest have been dry for a long time, this increases the terrestrial recognizability time of any meteorites that are there. The sahara has another interesting and significant factor having to do with the sand dunes; slowly moving dunes provide a soft landing and a protective environment as meteorites are covered by a slow moving dune. Later (sometimes much later) meteorites are uncovered in great shape with significant terrestrial age. Another factor is economic; most of us in the US that hunt meteorites do so on weekends and vacation time. Our motivation is to get out in nature and do a bit of 'big science'. Many of the hunters in the sahara are subsistance hunting, many are truely professional full time hunters. I get in 25 days of meteorite hunting tops per year, the locals in the sahara get in well above 100 days per year in many cases. They have in many cases spent their lives in the desert. I have only spent a total of 10 or 12 weeks in the areas where I hunt. They are better at seeing the odd rock. A few American hunters that are retired and in good health likely pass the 100 days per year in the field hunting mark. I hope to be one of them in 12 or 13 years:) Pat --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola Peter, All, I know individual aspect of your questions have been addressed, but I'd like to as well... I know the Sahara desert is about a galgillion square miles. Then there are the deserts in Calif., South America, the Antarctic continent and God only knows where else. Why don't I see any meteorites from the Gobi desert, or maybe the Mongolia desert. Well, yeah, it's big. But the main reason that there are more meteorites found in the Sahara than elsewhere is because there are more people looking. There are just as many martian and lunar meteorites elsewhere, but they tend to be harder to recognize due to harder hunting terrain (similar rocks, etc) - and because there are probably twenty or so meteorite hunters in the southwest who get out into the wilderness with some frequency - probably a few more, since Franconia became popular. Compared to the undefined number of hunters who have been scouring the Sahara for the past decade, well, it's just not much of a comparison. Same goes for South America, though Antarctica has seen a good deal of thorough hunting, as results would suggest. And then there is little dinky Roosevelt Co, NM at just 2,455 sq miles and it has a staggering 109 meteorites, which comes to one for every 22.5 sq miles. What gives? This is due to, as has been said, the hunting of Skip Wilson, who has spent years in the area, hunting blowout after blowout with remarkable success. A good bit of hunting land paired with his diligence has turned up pretty spectacular results... That said, the density of meteorites that actually exist on the land should be, at the very least, several per square mile; yes, many have been found, but there are still countless more waiting to be discovered. They are of a wide variety of classifications, so it can't be turning every piece in for classification. I can't speak for anyone else, but I find this very puzzling. I don't see why he couldn't be turning every stone in for classification; data gathered suggest that smaller falls would be more common than larger ones, and this would mean that the majority of falls would consist of small, individual stones. I also don't know how many of his finds have been paired with one another, but I have the feeling that if he has been concentrating on individual areas (as opposed to moving on whenever he finds a meteorite), it would stand to reason that he has found at least a few paired meteorites, whether or not they are listed as such in the catalogue. Regards, Jason On Jan 9, 2008 7:01 PM, Peter A Shugar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm the newbie, so please explain this to me. This is an intriguing question. I can't figure it out. I know the Sahara desert is about a galgillion square miles. Then there are the deserts in Calif., South America, the Antarctic continent and God only knows where else. Why don't I see any meteorites from the Gobi desert, or maybe the Mongolia desert. And then there is little dinky Roosevelt Co, NM at just 2,455 sq miles and it has a staggering 109 meteorites, which comes to one for every 22.5 sq miles. What gives? They are of a wide variety of classifications, so it can't be turning every piece in for classification. I can't speak for anyone else, but I find this very puzzling. Any thoughts, List? Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites/hunting
Hello Fellow Listoids, Let's add Prof. Susan W. Kieffer University Walgreen Fellow CAS Professor of Geology Professor of Physics University of Illinois to our list of Women in Meteoritics Pat Brown --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Twink posted: Anne, now that you are retired, maybe you will get a chance to do some hunting too. Anne Black? Retired? That's a good one. She's twice as busy now as when she had a real job, what that little group called the IMCA, and that Impactika outfit. Ladies, don't forget Leigh Anne Delray and Carinne Bidaut Fectay when you compile your list of meteorite lasses. And in academia there are Dr. Monica Grady, Dr. Sarah Russell, Dr. Meenakshi Wadhwa, Dr. Rhian Jones, Dr. Barbara Cohen, and Teresa Moss, Director of the Monnig Collection, to name a few. Sorry Ruben, I'm just teasing you. I do get your point. Didn't anyone tell you that rock 'n' roll music is bad for your hearing? : ) Cheers, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD? More of the nice Machined Anodized Al Scale Cubes on ebay 320196968178
Dear Listoids, This is a note to tell you all that there are more of the really nice machined scale cubes for sale on ebay as item #320196968178. This is not my listing (hence the question mark after AD in the Subject line). I just bought 2 as I left my other one in the field on a recent meteorite hunt. There were 10 left just 2 minutes ago after the 2 that I bought. Thanks to Sterling for the heads up about this seller. I was not quick enough to get one last time, but I jumped on it this time. With Best Regards, Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Photos from NHM, London
Hi Mark, Nice photos. Thanks for sharing. Meteoritically Yours, Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites --- Mark Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought the list might be interested in seeing some pictures from the Natural History Museum in London. They've recently refurbished the Mineral Gallery and there are some fantastic meteorites on display (including a large specimen of Nahkla, one of the Martian 'holy grail' candidates): http://meteorites.cc/nhm.html Mark __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List sure is quiet...
Hi Mike and the List, It sure has been quiet this holiday weekend on the list. I will second Mike's wish for a rock from space for all this Christmas. Why, that's not a lump of coal in my stocking it's a 2 Kg CO3! Meoritically Yours, Pat --- Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets hope for a big meteorite fall somewhere in the United States for Christmas! I think we are due for one. We could have our own Barwell then. Mike Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Ch**st...
Dear List Members, In the spirit of a friendly request, would the list members please refrain from swearing in list posts, especially titles. I am quite confident that there are young people who read this list, and they should not be exposed to coarse language. I hope that this does not come across as prudish or an overt attempt to censor, just a friendly request. I feel we should maintain a level of professionalism here on the list and put forth a good image as a great (and hopefully friendly) place to discuss our fascinating rocks from space. Thank You, With Best Regards, Pat Brown __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about Polarizing Microscope Lomo Polam P-211
Hello Listees, OK this is a gloat. However, there is also a request for assistance. I just scored a compound polarizing mineralogical microscope that I am trying to learn some more about. I am trying to find a users manual and a service manual (preferably in english, but any language is more than I have now). The good part is that I got this microscope for $50. The down side is that the eyepieces are replacements. The objectives are also replacements and there are only 2 objectives. A through search of the web has turned up very little information and no hint of a manual. Can any of you help me learn anything more about this microscope? I contacted the good folks at Lomo USA and they tell me that this microscope was never supported in the US market and that they can offer no help or support. I am appealing to the international members of this list for any help they might be able to offer. Thank You and Best Regards, Patrick Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BBC web piece on Meteorite Auction Results
Hi All, The BBC just put up this it about the big meteorite auction. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7066340.stm Best Regards, Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Call for papers for Meteorite magazine
Hi Larry, For the etching article and especially any photographs of the etching process, please make sure that the text and photos endorse the use of safety glasses. Splashing strong acid into one's eyes may be a very low probability event, but the consequences are grave.. Thank You and Best Regards, Pat Brown --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone: I leave for Denver tomorrow morning (Thursday) and hope to see many of you there. It is that time again for submission of articles to Meteorite. The August issue should be on its way and Nancy and I are just finishing off the proofing of the November issue (it never ends). We did get a response for an article on etching (thank you Bill Mason) and this should be in the November issue. We have had suggestions from one of our readers for a number of topics: 1. An overview of K/T boundary sites (rock types, location, etc.). 2. Occurences of diamonds in meteorites and impactites. 3. Chinese tektites, SE Asian tektites. As usual, we are open to any suggestions or ideas for articles. I hope to talk to some of you when I am in Denver over the next few days. Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A big thanks re: Phoenix Job Interview Trip
Hi all, Thank you to all the list members that responded to my request for help with Phoenix real estate. Thank you to Bob Holmes for the real estate assistance. I also want to thank all of you that responded with email about the possibility of including me in your hunting expeditions in the great state of Arizona. There is a real positive fellowship on this list. With Best Regards, Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trying to reach Marcin Cimala
Hi All, I am trying to reach Marcin Cimala. My email to him using both of his email addresses has bounced. I am trying to buy a meteorite from Marcin's web page. Thank You, Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lightning, stars and a meteor
Hi Ginger, That is one incredible photograph. (Listees, if you have not clicked on the link, have a look) Thank you for sharing. I hope you get to enjoy more of the show tonight. With Best Regards, Pat --- Ginger Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Yes, I still read the list from time to time and thought you all might enjoy the image I took last night from our astro club's dark site here in Colorado. We had a strong lightning storm off to the east but stars above so I was trying to get a few lightning shots. As I was shooting a meteor, most likely a Perseid, streaked above the storm. Here's the link. Hope to get more tonight if the monsoons will hold off a bit longer. http://gallery.gmayfield.com/scenic/lightning_meteor81107 Ginger __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Request - Looking for a good real estate agent in Chandler/Phoenix area
Hi Listees, Good Friday afternoon to all. I am looking at a new job in Chandler, AZ (near Phoenix). Looking for a place in the Chandler/Queen Creek area. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good real estate agent? Living in Arizona will be a non-stop meteorite hunter and researcher's dream. A good way to guarantee a trip to Tucson each year is to be 1.5 hours drive away. I am hoping that the library at the center for meteorite studies at the Tempe campus is open to non-students. Thank You and Best Regards, Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] first photos from the LA MANCHA meteorite hunting / new fresh eucrite
Hi Mirko and the List, Thank you for showing your hunting photos on the web. These are really nice meteorites; the crust is so fresh and glossy. Nice recovery of a rare type. Thank you also for discussing meteorites and not the rant of the day about list abuse. Hunt On... Pat Brown Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites --- Mirko Graul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List, i hope seen have that all the last 3 Picture of the day. Here the first photos of the La Mancha meteorite hunting. It was found 18 pieces with a Tkw of only 220g after 7 weeks in La Mancha. The biggest individual have a weight of 29,4g and the mainmass have a weight of 90g. The mainmass is broken in the impact on the ground. We will offer tomorrow a fragment from the mainmass on ebay. The mainmass and the bigger individuals is hold or reserved for museums universities and for the science. Therefore many pieces are not available for collectors. The first starts however tomorrow on Ebay. But now first of all much joke in that regard the pictures. Here that are the Links to the first and the second hunts. http://www.ausgangspunkt-erde.de/Aktivitaeten/2004/spanienmai07.html http://www.ausgangspunkt-erde.de/Aktivitaeten/2004/spanienjuli07.html Many greetings to all Thomas Grau , Steffen Jacobsen and Mirko Graul Bernau/GERMANY Jetzt Mails schnell in einem Vorschaufenster überfliegen. Dies und viel mehr bietet das neue Yahoo! Mail - www.yahoo.de/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Can we please just ignore Chicago Steve?
Hello to all the list members, Can we please just ignore Steve and his psychological/social issues? We are all just playing into his hands by all the acrimony on the list in response to his hunger for attention. Steve wants attention. It does not matter if it is good or bad attention. If Steve stops getting rewarded with attention for his bad net behavior, his infractions of web rules and etiquette will also stop. Please just ignore this type of behavior. With Best Regards, Pat __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve or New meteorite, which to discuss?
Hi Michael, Your recovery story has been most interesting, keep it coming. I choose to have this list be about meteorites. The Cali meteorite landed in a bad nieghborhood that is probably impossible to clean up. I hope it is not too late to clean up the list.. Best Regards, Pat --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone want to hear about a new meteorite fall, or jawjack about Steve some more? There seems to be far more interest in Steve, so if I am wasting my time, please stop me. Let me know when you decide. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unclean gao givaway and hundreds of similar threads
Hello Listees, There is a personality type that lives for attention. It does not matter if the attention is the result of the individual's good or bad bahaviour. This person will do whatever they need to gain this attention. Most of us outgrow this behaviour by the age of 2.5 or 3 years. Some adults have not progressed beyond this stage. This defective personality feeds off of the attention that their behaviour generates. Just as with a 2 year old throwing a tantrum, the key is to ignore the bad behaviour. If the individual we are talking about continues to get attention for bad list behaviour, the bad list behaviour will continue. If you are not the list owner, just put the offender on your banned email author list. And, don't discuss the bad list behaviour of the offender. If the attention ends, the offending list member will either reform his behaviour to conform to social norms or find another forum to get his attention fix. With Best Regards, Pat __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - July 21, 2007
Now that is one beautiful space rock. Thanks, Pat --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_21_2007.html _ ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Request - Who can sell me 10 BelOMO Triplets for a good price?
Hi Listoids, I need to buy some 10X loupes for my nieces and nephews. I would like to get them the real item. So, where can I get ten of the BelOMO Belarus 10x loupes for a good price? I have a business license, so this can be a wholesale transaction. Thank You! Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] collection update - Ensisheim acquisitions
Dr. Buhl, Thank you for sharing the photos of your newest acquisitions. The oriented NWA and 5.9Kg Sikhote Alin are both very nice specimens. Your photos do justice to these gems from space! Would you share your photo technique? Best Regards, Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WARNING VIRUS IN EMAIL FROM TRILOBITEMOROC
Hi Lisees, Please do not open the attachment to the email from trilobitemoroc, it contains a virus. Pat __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] techical advice
Hi Dave, I would avoid the use of a torch. A tool that every meteoriticist should have at her or his disposal is a diamond file. These can be purchased from Woodcraft: http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?familyid=5910 The medium grit file should work well for your purpose. Being a meteorite hunter, I have all 3; although the finest grit file is mighty slow cutting. The coarsest file is the most suitable for testing a suspect meteorite. As an extra added feature, these can be used for a quick touch-up on the edge of your pocket knife! Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in Woodcraft Inc. other than being a satisfied customer. I would be grateful if one of my fellow listees would let me know if there is an agreement prohibiting posting of commercial URLs. With Best Regards, Pat Brown (meteorite hunter and woodworker) --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi One of my lumps of LDG has a very small (3mm) chip in it - ordinarily it wouldn't bother me at all, but it's left a teeny sharp pointy bit sticking out that always catches one's hand. What would be a appropriate way to remove this point? My initial thought was to carefully play a blowtorch across the asperity to melt it down and reduce the sharpness, but would i end up with an exploded, thermally shocked handful of glass chips? Abrasives could also be used, but I'd feel more comfortable with a blowtorch and being careful( used to make glass labware when I was a kid - not too successfully, but without serious accidents!) Or should I just leave well alone?! Anyone out there with experience with LDG? Ta! Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] fall patterns
Hi Robin, The heavier parts of a body after breakup will fly further. The lighter parts will slow down faster and not travel as fardown range. The reason for this is that the smaller parts have more aerodynamic drag per unit of mass and slow down quicker. The heaier parts have less drag per unit mass and will not slow down as quickly. In a strewn field that is carefully mapped with the location and mass of each fragment, it is east to see which direction a meteoroid approached from. A line drawn from the lightest fragment to the heaviest fragmet will show the direction of travel. This is one of the reasons that keeping good records is important. Best Regards, Pat Brown --- Robin Galyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I am now trying to logicate is fall patterns.In particular the relationship of smaller chunks vs larger ones. Perhaps you can assist me in my thinking. Say a breakup occurs and the debris is rushing in thru the atmosphere. The heavier ones would fly straighter and faster right? (further). Or would gravity make them fall faster hence sooner? If a 1 lb (say 500g) specimen was found on a hillside,I guess I am trying to figure where to look for the smaller ones that probably fell with it. Further up the hill or down? or both? And how far would I need to look? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fusion crusts on stony meteorites
Hi All, I bought a slice of this meteorite from Marcin at Tucson. While I am not a professional meteoriticist, I am an engineer heavily involved with failure analysis, use of microscopes and a trained observer. To my eye these are most definitely small bits of this meteorite fractured off of the parent body during transit of the atmosphere and incorporated in the fusion crust, likely on the back side of the meteorite. I had to have this slice the minute that ET pointed out to me this interesting feature! Thanks to ET for the heads up and thanks to Marcin for doing an excellent job of slicing and polishing this meteorite and offering it for sale. Pat --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:05:51 -0700, you wrote: Michael, Darren, Jim and list, I agree with Jim on this. My slice of the same stone has fragments set in a clearly bubbly melt. I suggest that this accumulated on the back side of the stone during oriented flight. Check out my pictures: http://www.johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/NWA2826LL5.htm This photo does look pretty convincing-- the triangular fragment in the melt looks like like a close match to the bigger mass: http://www.johnkashuba.com/Images/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
Hi All, I don't have a copy of Bartlett's' Famous Quotations here at work, but from memory, P.T. Barnum did not say that there is a sucker born every minute. He said that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Mike, List, I have to quarrel with your arithmetic, Mike. A sucker a day is only 365 new suckers a year, and the population of suckers is far too great to have been created at that rate. The great Phineas T. Barnum is the source of that quote, and I believe that he said, There's a sucker born every minute, Even that is only 525,960 new suckers a year, which sounds a little on the shy side to me. But I'll take old Phineas' word for it; he knew his suckers. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia A sucker is born every day. Michael Farmer -- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I doubt a nigerian scam continue to send you emails with photos etcand is not real this person ask immediatly $800 of contract, I have sent 100 euro and now I want seen what arrive Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Geoff, this is another form of Nigerian scam. They are now getting on ebay, finding items that sell, learning about them, then ripping people off who are gullible enough to send money to people they do not know. This has been on the news lately. These guys plan to take your $800.00 then you will never hear from them again. The same people are likely sending the same emails to people for coins, fossils, and anything else of value from Russia that people might actually want to buy. Buy from people you know, or suffer the consequences. Michael Farmer --- Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Listees: Greetings all. Thank you to those of you who replied off-List to my post inquiring about a Mr. Kramskoi. The following information may be of interest to to any List members who have received a recent offer from Russia about meteorites for sale: 1) A significant number meteorite dealers and collectors, around the world, have been contacted by email by a person representing himself as Mr. Aleksandr Kramskoi supposedly of Kramskoi Law Firm in Moscow. He states he is selling meteorite specimens in order to raise funds for the Kanatnaya Doroga Charity Foundation (supposedly an orphanage) in Russia. 2) Mr. Kramskoi has offered for sale Lunar specimens from the Russian Luna missions, and some very attractive Sikhote-Alins, apparently from an old collection. He has emailed photos of these specimens to numerous people. Mr. Kramskoi offered to send me 4.5 kg of Sikhote-Alins, so you can inspect it carefully and give a fair price for these items. Once I agreed to receive the specimens for inspection, he then emailed me an elaborate contract and asked for $800 in advance as a contract fee. 3) Mr. Kramskoi stated that after receiving the $800 from me, he would ship the Sikhote-Alins by UPS or Fedex and that upon receipt I would have 180 days to pay the balance. I found the length of time allowed for payment to be suspicious. 4) A well-respected List member, and professional colleague of mine in Europe, was offered the same pieces and the same contract, at the same time, though for a different price. 5) My colleague has a reliable friend in Russia who has established that the address provided by Mr. Kramskoi for his law office does not exist. 6) My colleague and I both declined to enter into any form of transaction with Mr. Kramskoi, and I post this information so anyone else who is thinking of doing business with him will be able to form their own conclusions before sending any money to Russia. Anyone wanting more detailed information, please contact me off-List. I can tell you about another great offer I received from Nigeria : ) Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mr. Kramskoi Meteorite Offers from Russia
Hi All, This quote has been taken out of context. My post was: Hi All, I don't have a copy of Bartlett's' Famous Quotations here at work, but from memory, P.T. Barnum did not say that there is a sucker born every minute. He said that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. This is not to be taken as a slam on my home country the United States of America! This is no slam on the other Americas: North, Central and South either. P.T. Barnum no doubt used the word American because he was in the business of running carnivals and such in the United States of America, not on an international scale. I am quite patriotic and firmly believe that I am one lucky man to be born in the United States of America. Sincerely, Pat Brown --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and this is all to seen --- Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who's still got their first meteorite?
Hi Ruben and the List, This is a great topic. I still have the first meteorite I purchased. It is a small Canyon Diablo. I also have the first meteorite that I found, a small Tungsten Mountain. There is also joy in giving away meteorites. This past Christmas, I gave a small Tungsten Mountain meteorite to each of my nephews and nieces. I printed an 8.5 x 11 glossy of the in-situ photo and framed this with the meteorite in a gem jar velcroed to the front of the frame, on the back of the frame is a color printout of a USGS topo map with the location that the meteorite was found. Each of the kids really enjoyed them. One niece took hers to class and used it for show and tell. Kids need things that make science fun and meaning full. Pat --- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm sure I am atypical. For years I sold, traded, lost, or gave away just about every meteorite I ever found. It wasn't till about a year or two ago that I actually started collecting them. Even now I only hold on to the very best of what I find. I really regret selling some meteorites though, as some of my very best finds are in other peoples collections. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go....
OK, so when this guy 'produced' or 'presented' this meteorite did the parallel streaks make this an oriented meteorite?? This is going downhill quickly Pat --- Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't hink of Uranus until mentioned here, which is unusual. Mind you, i didn't get the joke until I was 17 and I remember the stick I got as a result. I was thinking of phrases like I hope it doesn't end up getting SHATtered This is a new definition for RE-ENTRY and kak-handed approach to meteorite study etc I've got 6 more but they get more obscure.. --- Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Darren beat me - like we all didn't think of that one! From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:20:49 -0500 -what will be the official name of the location found? The first meteorite from Uranus? Cheers, Pete From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:41:56 -0800 (PST) Fox news is just now reporting that a certain foreign national was arrested at LAX airport with wires hanging off of him. Upon further investigation, they found a piece of chewing gum, some more wire and a rock in his XXX. As the suspect put it- the rock is from another planet and was in there to protect him OK- lets say it is a meteorite ;-) -what will be the official name of the location found? -what lab will(want?)do an analysis on it? -how long until it winds up on eBay? -will it replace the current urgent need for Gao pieces? I needed a grin tonight- this was it. Take care Mike Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Free Alerts : Be smart - let your information find you ! http://alerts.live.com/Alerts/Default.aspx __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's Imilac Trip, slightly off-topic: pisco
Hi All, Distilled fermented grape juice is the definition of brandy as far as I know. Pat --- mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds just like it's 'distilled fermented grape juice' to me - so, presumably Schnapps / moonshine is probably a close equivalent? ? Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: 27 February 2007 01:19 To: Steve Schoner; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's Imilac Trip, slightly off-topic: pisco Hi, All Pisco Fans, For those who cannot find Pisco at their corner store, or who never get to travel to the High Desert but are stuck in the Great Bottoms, there is the Internet Safari to the PiscoMall: http://www.piscomall.com/ They sell 50 different kinds of Pisco. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve's Imilac Trip, slightly off-topic: pisco Rob, I'll check it out. In '96 there was no supplier anywhere that I could find. I suppose that things have changed since. But I have never seen it anywhere here in Flagstaff. Guess none have the taste for it. Steve. -- Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve and List, Regarding Peruvian pisco, Steve wrote: I can say this, Pisco is great at altitude. I did not have a hangover the next day at all, neither did Marvin or Hurley. I bought two bottles on the way back and have yet to find it here in the US. ... P.S. Any liquor importers out there: Re-name Pisco to METEOR with a nice landscape logo with a meteor streaking downward. I bet it would then find a market here in the U.S.-- Especially with high altitude meteorite hunters. Pisco is actually fairly easy to get in the U.S. I noticed a while back that one of my favorite local wine shops (Hi Time Wine Cellars in Costa Mesa, CA) carries about a half-dozen varities of Pisco: http://www.hitimewine.net/istar.asp?a=3dept=01class=02subclass=03 Perhaps you have a local specialty wine store that offers it. Or you may even be able to buy it online at the above link. Since Pisco is made from grapes (obviously highly distilled), it is often categorized with brandy (though sometimes with tequila). --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the price per gram of tatahouine
Hi All, At Tucson this year, Meteorite Caravan were selling small fragments for $3/g and larger fragments for $10/g. Pat --- mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, I think you'll find it usually works the other way a lower$/g for larger pieces and Higher $/g for smaller (Otherwise there would be no reason for anyone to cut rocks into smaller pieces, and that would make a main mass worth less than the total cost of the cut pieces!). Mark. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of steve arnold Sent: 27 February 2007 00:54 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] the price per gram of tatahouine Good evening list.I was wondering what is the going price of tatahouine?I heard from one dealer who said it was going for between $10 to $15 per gram.I think that would be for the pieces under 10 grams.Then I have heard as high up as $55 per gram.Of course that would be for the larger ones.I would like to know. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Presenting my 50mm Seymchan Siderite Sphere
Hi David and Kitt, The first photo is gorgeous! I would not be apologizing about that one! Very nice work on the sphere and a really nice etch job. Pat --- David Kitt Deyarmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finished my Seymchan Sphere today and I am extremely please with how it turned out. It weighs 520 grams and the etch is so bright I am having a difficult time photographing it. You can view pictures of it at the following URLs http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/SPSeymchan.jpg http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p298/BobaDebt/Meteorites/SPSeymchan1.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I don't think congratulations are in order.....
Hi Randall, Your diatribe about Peruvian jails and such was very un-cool. This is supposed to be a friendly list aimed at helping fellow meteorite hunters and collectors. Threatening to have members of the meteorite community thrown in jail is not in the spirit of this list as I understand it. You are now in the company of Steve Arnold #2 (not the real Kansas meteorite hunter Steve Arnold) as the only 2 people on my email blocking list. Your future diatribes will go straight into the trash. If you are so concerned about keeping your impact crater to yourself, why are you posting all your communications here on the list? Regards, Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Larry Atkin's Recent Holbrook Find (Photos)
Thanks Mark for the photo and congrats to Larry on this excellent find! Best Regards, Pat --- MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, Photographs of Larry Atkin's recent Holbrook find linked below. Stellar find Larry! http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colholbrooklarry.html Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com www.imca.cc (#3166) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] www.venusmeteorite.com - what are your opinions on this claim
Hi Randall and the List, This guy has spent a lot of time testing his rocks. His samples look very terrestrial to me. I do not recognize any flight markings. He states that the escape velocity of Venus is less than Earth, but he does not explain how an impactor makes it to the surface through the very dense atmosphere on Venus. He also does not explain how the Venusian material is accelerated enough to get back out through that same very dense atmosphere. Looks pretty unlikely to me from an engineering perspective. I would be interested in hearing from others more versed in astronomy, geology and meteoritics. Best Regards, Pat it's a scientific lifestyle --- Randall Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has anyone seen this website and if so, what are your opinions as to the validity of his claims that the meteorites found are from Venus. And how would anyone know if a meteorite came from one of the inner planets? Would cosmic ray exposure and oxygen isotope be useful. What tests would be definitive? Randall - Have a burning question? Go to Yahoo! Answers and get answers from real people who know. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors
Hi Bill, I for one appreciate your candid take on this situation. This lends a whole new meaning to you pay your money and you take your chances... Pat --- Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hmmm. I remember this guy. I politely told him that I require shipment in advance and that we could discuss price after I saw the merchandise in person. I offered to pay half the cost of shipping if we couldn't agree on a value and the stuff had to be returned. He assured me that he was a very honest fellow and I assured him that I was of equal veracity. He said, You send money, I send meteorites. I said no dice. Nothing exchanged hands. I guess if you don't mindlessly cut this guy a check, you get put on his S-List. He does a great disservice to his rational countrymen. I hope someone over there kicks him square in the hind end. Bill = :P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:33:17 -0800 (PST) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Dealer/Collectors This is a list of Morocco's meteorites Robbers; Greg Hupe=1st Class =VD Mike Farmer/Jim Strope =VD Rob Elliott/=VD Matteo Chinellato/very slim like he doesn't eat food.= 0Value,0 pernonality Mark Bosttik= VD Kenneth Regelman= VD Bob Evans= VD Steve Arnolds/Ilinois=VD Rob Wesel/Oregon =D Roman Jerasek.CA=D Bill,Ilinois =VD Christian Anger =H Mario Goiorani =D Marcin Cimala = Value = Big 0. Steve witt =VD Matt Morgan=VD Bruno Fectay Carine Bidaut/ VD NOT Robbers List.But Honorable guyes I respect Germans,the top class N,Classen. Carsten Giessler Stefan Ralew Andreas Gren I respect Americans, Stan turecki Jason Philips Jack Schrader Thomas H Webb Nelson Oakes Dean Bessey/CA/NZ David Bryant/UK V=very D=dongerous H= Hypocrite More informations soon. - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A first timers view of Tucson so far
Hi to all the List Members, Perhaps I can share a bit of my first Tucson experience with those not at the show this year This is my first time to the Tucson show. This is also my first time to any meteorite show of any size. The experience has been almost overwhelming (to my bank roll at least) There is much said about the lack of NWA material, but my own experience is that there is still a reasonable supply to be had. I have paid between $70USD per kilo to $277USD per kilo for nice fully crusted stones. I have purchased some larger stones with nice fresh crust at the high end of that range. I did find some supprisingly (sp?) nice smaller stones at the low to midpoint end of that range. There are many of the well known, big name dealers here mind blowing stuff like the Park Forest stone in ET's room and the 'dug up live on TV Brennams' in Jeff and Anne Black's room. There is a lot of Lunar and SNC material to be had if you have a water cooled credit card. And you don't even want to look to close at the mineral specimins for fear of starting another under-funded expensive hobby.. There are Gao's at 0.5 to $1 per gram and some fully oriented ones for a little more. There are several really big classified NWAs for a reasonable price per gram. There are lots of Moroccan fossil dealers with a box of meteorites, some rattier looking than others. Some caution is required, as I have seen several stones that sure don't look like meteorties to my eye. I will go to the Tucson Electric Park show tomorrow to check out the lapidary saws and laps etc. The degree of fellowship with other meteorite collectors is really great. This is a most enjoyable experience. With Best Regards, Pat Brown __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A first timers view of Tucson so far
Hi Azaware, The Tucson Electric Park show is at the corner of Ajo and Kino Parkway. This is about 5 miles south and 5 miles east of downtown. I was there today and there are were 4 or 5 faceting machines on display with stonecutters working on stones on each machine. With Best Regards, Pat Brown --- Desert Tours [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will go to the Tucson Electric Park show tomorrow to check out the lapidary saws and laps etc. Hi Pat Where is the Tucson Electric Park show? Would I also be able to find like a Faceting Machine that is for gemstone cutting. Any dealers here or anyone have or know where I could look at some in Tucson? thanks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
