[meteorite-list] school project and study topics
I'm building a list of potential middle and high school meteorite related study, report, and lab projects. I'll eventually turn it into a resource web page. I'd appreciate sincerely if everyone could add everything they can think of to the list. Thanks! -Robert Beauford Here's a start: What are chondrules and what is their significance? How is fusion crust formed? How do meteorites change as they fall? What forces act on them, and what do those forces do? Why are meteorites important in understanding our past? Why are they important to our future, and what are 10 resources exploitable from asteroids? How could they be recovered and used? What technologies are neede to make the exploitation of asteroids for their resources possible? Create a 'roadmap' or plan of research and discovery that can get us from here to there. What are the differences between chondrites, achondrites, stony irons, and irons, and how do they relate to planetary formation? How old are meteorites? Why are they older than earth rocks and younger than the galaxy? How do we know their age? How are meteorites like inexpensive space probes? What have we learned from them as such? How do we know where meteorites come from? What are the pro's and con's to the competing theories of tektite formations? Describe the potential threat posed by meteorite impacts, and what we are doing now, and might do in the future about it? What is the KT boundary, what is its significance? How are meteorites identified? Test for nickel, iron, etc (is it a meteorite?) Research NWA 482 (etc.), what is an anorthositic impact melt breccia, how do we know it's lunar? How do we know Martian meteorites are Martian? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #1866 - 9 msgs
Thanks David, Al, and John. That gives me more to think about. The article pointed out by David, http://meteoritics.org/Abst_38(3).htm Morphological analysis of olivine grains annealed in an iron-nickel matrix: Experimental constraints on the origin of pallasites and thermal history of their parent bodies, seems to open up a whole world of lower temperature possibilities. It seems that it will be difficult to explain the morphology until we see more of it's context. The impact theory of crust or mantle into core displacement just doesn't ring right to me. Even that, I guess could make more sense, though, with the increased significance of surface tension (wrong word I think) on iron suspended silicate 'bubbles' in lower gravity astroid environments. I guess the problem for me is that these don't appear clastic, and if the conditions are fluid, why don't they just flow apart again. The article mentioned might alow rounding of what might originally have been clastic particles, though, and thus the creation of the illusion of a much more fluid event. Unless I completely misunderstand, that is, a posibility that is by no means remote. -Robert Beauford : ) > Subject: [meteorite-list] formation of pallasites / mesosiderites > > Just a thought... > The current explanations for mesosiderite and pallasite formation have never > rung quite right to me... so I was reflecting on it the other day. > Is it possible that pallasites / mesosiderites are low gravity dependant in > their formation? ie that they were formed in a smaller body or bodies in > which the temperatures necessary for differentiation were achieved, but in > which gravity was inadequate to overcome friction and bring about > crust/mantel/core separation, or in the same thought, near the neutral > gravity center of only slightly larger body/bodies in which friction or > temperature/viscosity/density variables prevented or provided inadequate > impetus to 'float' the silicates? > -Robert Beauford > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] formation of pallasites / mesosiderites > > Hi Robert and all, > > I don't think there is an easy answer for the formation of these two types of > stony-iron meteorites and it is apparent that those that study them also think there > is some mysteries to be solved. > > What is known are the cooling rates to form such stony-irons. No doubt the Pallasites > formed from at least two different parent bodies and the messosiderites formed from a > different parent body all together (unless they come from the same parent body and are > found at a different depth?). Cooling rates for pallasites seem to be from 2 million > year to about 10 million. The messosiderites seem to have cooled in .2 to .7 million. > Now comes the tricky part. > > A group from the University of Denmark (Henning Haack) explored the thermal effects of > asteroids and more specifically regoliths on asteroid surfaces. What they found was > that asteroids with a powered regolith makes a good insulator. It is possible to have > an asteroid cool ten times slower than an asteroid with no covering (and be tens times > smaller for the same cooling rate) and might answer your question do pallasites come > from a lower gravity asteroid. > > It is suggested that the pallasites probably come from a body the size of less than > 100 km. It is thought that they are related to the IIIAB iron meteorites. It is > thought that a possible filtering in of metal around the olivine crystals could have > occurred but would have had to happen after the main core had mostly solidified. The > later filtering effect is shown by the pallasite metal has a more highly fractionated > composition which seems to plot along the IIIAB iron's latest crystallizing age. How > this filtering happen is somewhat of a mystery. Is it a result of impact submerging > the olivine in the liquid core or forcing the liquid metal up into the olivine > crystals? Since there are two parent bodies of the pallasites it isn't an isolated > occurrence. > > McSween says that because of the drastic differences between densities of iron and > silicated materials, it is not obvious how core and mantle became intermixed. > > The Mesosiderite parent body has an even more complexed history. One suggestion is a > collision with a iron asteroid hitting an asteroid with silicated material and > intermixing. There is some resemblance of the HED Asteroid and the mesosiderites. > Could this be one of the impacted parent bodies or perhaps a fragment from the HED > asteroid? > > A-type asteroids thought to be possible parent planets of the pallasites (such as > asteroid 246 Asporina) from spectra taken by astronomers and plot nicely along the > stony-iron chemical make up. > Even with all that is know there are no doubt some misleading items that may later > prove to be wrong like the relationship of the IIIAB iron meteorites with the > pallasites and even the cooling rates. Because of the maltitude of variations in > dif
[meteorite-list] formation of pallasites / mesosiderites
Just a thought... The current explanations for mesosiderite and pallasite formation have never rung quite right to me... so I was reflecting on it the other day. Is it possible that pallasites / mesosiderites are low gravity dependant in their formation? ie that they were formed in a smaller body or bodies in which the temperatures necessary for differentiation were achieved, but in which gravity was inadequate to overcome friction and bring about crust/mantel/core separation, or in the same thought, near the neutral gravity center of only slightly larger body/bodies in which friction or temperature/viscosity/density variables prevented or provided inadequate impetus to 'float' the silicates? -Robert Beauford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] re Gutter Micros
I've got an enameled metal roof and intentional sections of back sloped gutters with magnet traps to act as a magnetic and mechanical micro sluice box, and I collect the dust about twice a year to go over under a microscope. I've never collected anything larger than microspherules, but it's a nice setup for those. I think that you could wait a lot of years for an eye-visible specimen, even the size of a bb, and even then it would have even odds of bouncing over the gutter. The stuff I collect would pass through panty hose easily. In the area of a strewnfield/block/city/etc, I think the results could be downright fun though, and I'd be willing to bet there are a few backed up gutters in known fall locations from the last twenty years that have never been checked. -Robert : ) > > Has anyone ever had any luck with putting netting over their gutters as > a matter of principle, and examining what comes out. I mean in a normal > suburb where there is no fall - so that you catch the debris of the > occasional "shooting star". Is there enough small matter coming down to > make this worth while? > > I basically need an excuse to first of all steal a few stockings, and > then get permission to use them on the house! For a few micro's it would > be worth the argument.=20 > > If we look at the high numbers (2000 tonnes a year?) that are meant to > fall to earth, a roof is the best catchment area that is practical. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Gutter Micros
I'll post the web address of my little site on collecting micro-meteorites since the park forest fall seems to have made the issue particularly important right now. Incidently, I've seen the glassy forms still in a partially separated state on the fusion crust of a couple of NWA's. http://www.enchanted-treasures.com/Meteor/index.html If I were someone in that area, I think I'd take a metal detector and then a magnet to the spots where the gutter down spouts wash out. I'd love to purchase a group of tiny (gram to several gram) pieces of the fall. Please contact me with a group and price if anyone has such and would be inclined to sell. All the best, -Robert Beauford (505) 737-5196 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Forwarded letter - possible meteorite.
A nice fellow sent me this by email today. I'm sure there is someone on the list that follows up on this sort of thing, and possibly someone that lives in his area. I'm forwarding the letter in the hopes that someone can give him the help he requests. -Robert B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] First off, I apologize for asking an off-subject question through your Ebay account. I tried finding some contact info on your home site but I could not find one. (Very distracting, by the way. I wanted to look for a minute but ended up reading almost everything you had!) Anyway, my son found a rock in front of my In-Law's home in CT last year. It was just a day or two after the big news story about large falling stars all over the north-east. (We even saw some in our area in Maryland that week.) Since these were not part of the normal Leonids or Pleonids, they were an unusual treat. Okay, this will sound a little hard to believe, but please bear with me, it's true! While we were visiting, the local news told everyone to be on the lookout for space debris, and my son took them seriously. He quickly went out into the front yard and began looking. About 45 minutes later, he showed up with something. At first, I didn't take it seriously, because the material wasn't like much of anything I expected. As you mention on your site, most metoers have a high amount of iron. This doesn't seem to, but does have metallic specs under the surface in a small area we filed down. Also, half of the object is black, as though it was burned. My only concern is the location it was found in. Although it was laying neatly on top of a lawn that was cut just the day before we arrived, the home is in an historic area that dates back 300 years. My point is, I don't really know what furnace slag looks like, but there's a definate possibility that's what this is. Here's the BIG favor: If I could email you some phtos, would you be able to give me a very basic idea of whether or not this rock could be a genuine meteorite? Any help you can offer me would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance for your time! Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A Metallic Asteroid May Have Coincided With The Fall Of Rome
"Inviolate for 1,100 years, Rome was sacked by the hordes in 410 AD." Eh!?! Don't tell the Celts. Also, the term dark ages was retrospective, and came into use at the renaissance. The downfall of Rome rested on 200 years of complex circumstance, and the plagues came and went at will over a millenium. It's easy to compress the events of 300AD to 1400AD and explain them away with simplicities when you look at them edge on, but it's not at all accurate. "The event you're referring to, Mark, happened in 534-537 AD, not 436-437." Which, incidently, was one of the brightest periods in the relatively flourishing Byzantine society in the East under Justinian I. The whole thing sort of doesn't fit. The Romans, even at their fall, and later the Byzantines, were compulsive about writing down things like that. -Robert B. "A plague runs rampant though the "civilized world" of the Roman Empire and Europe since the sun shipitifullyully for a couple hours a > day and cold temperatures have set in when it should > be warm. Famine hits hard in South America and disease > speads in the Moche Empire. This, I believe is what > happened to the Roman Empire and the Moche of Peru. I > also believe it caused the dark ages, and it isn't > just a term used to describe a time of no advancement > and loss of intelligence in a civilization. > Mark The event you're referring to, Mark, happened in 534-537 AD, not > 436-437. There are two books out about this event. One is by the Irish > dentrochronologist Bailley (spelling of name uncertain) and I can't > immediately recall the author of the other. > One suggests a small comet or asteroid strike as the best explanation > for all these sudden disastrous events; the other suggests an eruption of > Krakatoa. There was an earlier eruption of Krakatoa that was about 10 > times bigger than the 1880's event, and there are lots of places where > that eruption's ash and lava can be found. > BUT, so far it has proved undatable. Geologically, it can only be > pinned down to a 1200 year range of likely dates, which is a pretty loose > fit. There were a number of authors who have dealt with parts and pieces > of this puzzle previously. > The British astronomers Clube and Napier found evidence 20 years ago > for an impact event at this time in England and for numerous other small > "strikes" in many parts of the globe; they suggest a "shower" event in > which the Earth was bombarded by a multiplicity of small to medium > strikes which would not leave one big crater but many small, easily > eroded ones. And a shower event, could be spread out over many years, of > course, or repeat periodically for a century or so. > And then, there's the recently suggested connection between impact > events and volcanic events, which might mean that chosing one cause or > the other (impact vs. volcanic) is less clear cut than it might seem. Of > course, this idea has earned its share of pooh-pooh'ing. I suggested it > 40 years when I was a grad student and received more than my share of > pooh's as I recall. > As a physicist, my argument was that sudden volcanic and tectonic > events (earthquakes) have to be triggered by something (physical things > have causes), since the configuration of forces that makes them happen > remains in force for years, decades, centuries without anything at all > happening, then all at once they let go. > There is no obvious cause detectable for these events (else we could > predict them), no big change in forces, etc. Therefore, the triggering > event is not overtly large in magnitude (just bad luck). That would mean > that one good kick in the crust is more than enough if correctly placed. > Hey, we even have a name for it in physics: metastable. > Geologists don't like the idea, though... Go back and play with your > electrons, is pretty much their response. > If you like negative evidence, one could point to the fact that > disappointed vulcanologists frequently complain that this has been the > quietest century for volcanoes in a long, long time, and we haven't had > even one respectable small cratering event this century, either. > > > Sterling > -- > mark ferguson wrote: > > > Hi Ron and List > > Seems many things happened in the 5th century AD. A > > meteorite impact sure would upset the masses, but > > findings from around the world show a significant > > volcanic event occurred about 436-437 AD. Writings > > from many places indicate severely diminished sunlight > > hrs for many months and lending credibility to the > > term "The Dark Ages". It appears that a super plinian > > volcano, very possibly Krakatoa, let loose and effects > > may well have been felt world wide. Sulphuric spikes > > in ice corings correlate the date as well as tree > > rings from lock and bog fortresses in Ireland. A > > Chinese prince writes of yellow dust falling to the > > ground so thick yo
[meteorite-list] micro spherules (gutter meteoritics)
While these are valid points, and I respect his work, it is painfully obvious that Marco has never duplicated the experiment as I set it out in my article of a couple of years ago. The magnetite grains that make sorting of ground level samples so difficult, because their weight selects against transport by wind, make up only a tiny percentage of the material found at roof level. The dust found at roof level is primarily silicate, and is easily minimized or removed by magnet and filter sorting. I say easily, but it's relative - it takes a couple of hours to do even this simple sorting well on a half cup of material. That's nothing compared to the challenge of sorting spherules from black sands in surface or subsurface samples I've compared to. Roof top samples contain hundreds of times more magnetite grains than spherules. Ground level soil samples contain millions of times more magnetite grains than spherules. This effect will be magnified in deflationary areas, but dramatically minimized in ice. He is absolutely correct that any assumption that a significant portion of the magnetically responsive material found at roof level is of extra-terrestrial origin is false. Of the gross matter recovered, I would estimate microspherules make up less than 1 particle in a very big number (well over a million). After extensive mechanical and magnetic sorting, I would estimate they make up 1 particle in 1000 to 1, but are easily seen and separated, as the perfect spherules are so strikingly different in shape and sheen from the various iron bearing silicates and magnetite grains. By mass, they do not account for so large a figure, even after sorting, as 1 in 1000, or 1 in 1, as they are among the smaller particles. I would be happy to provide samples if anyone would like to make an effort to refute or confirm. - Robert Beauford : ) Message: 13 Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 18:05:18 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Verish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] re: Meteoric Dust Here's some good info' that should go into the List Archives, since this subject comes up now and then: --- Attached Message --- Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 12:58:24 +0100 From: Casper ter Kuile (original message from Marco) Subject: (meteorobs) re: Meteoric Dust Ed [Cannon?Majden?] bombarded me as expert on cosmic dust particles in a recent email... ;-) Indeed I did some work in this field; recovering (successfully) cosmic spherules from 400,000 yrs old sediment from an archaeological excavation. Analysis at the UNM showed at least one of these to be genuine. So at least I've seen these things and some experience with searching them under the microscope. Would not consider me an expert though. But I do have a few things to say: Unfortunately, much of the magnetic particles to be collected with a collector on rooftop-level will probably not be meteoritic. As Ed rightfully remarkes, industrial waste products will [be found] among them, and magnetic spherulic particles are a known form of these. In addition, small magnetite crystals which form a natural, often abundant, component of soils, undoubtedly will be among them. I actually feel that with such an experiment (collecting with a rooftop collector), it is most likely that the vast majority of magnetic particles collected will NOT be meteoric dust particles at all. In my own experiment I used a sediment sample collected from a sealed (and thus pristine) level predating (considerably - by 400,000 years) the onset of any form of industrial pollution. And even there, I found (after many evenings of searching behind the micro, and after first using a magnetic separation technique to extract the magnetic particles) only a handfull of possible cosmic spherules, picked out from uncountable quantities of clearly non-meteoric particles, mostly magnetite grains. (The search image was for perfect spherules, as these are not likely to be natural terrestrial products, although even here, one has to be careful, magnetite grains from soils have a crystal appearance, although this is not always clearly apparent. Industrial pollution however can be almost perfectly spherulic too). Thus, the remark from the old newspaper quoted, especially the second half, that: "Almost all the meteor dust in the bucket will contain iron; other particles will not. Thus any grains picked up by a magnet can be safely assumed to be meteor dust" is certainly NOT correct, as there are many [airborne] magnetic particles that have nothing to do with meteorites at all: not only the industrial waste products, but also magnetic soil particles blown about. If you want to find meteoric dust, the best thing to do is try your hands at a sample which is likely pristine and predating the onset of industrial pollution. This is one reason (the other is connected to maximizing collection surfaces) why scientists in this field often turn to searching in sam
[meteorite-list] A nice little chondrite going cheap
My first ever (and probably last) commercial posting to the list in over 3 years that I've enjoyed your company here: As has happened a few times in the past, the reserve disappeared from the form on an auction I relisted on ebay, and I didn't notice it until the last minute. That's at least better than the floating decimal places on items over 1000$ that they had a couple of years ago. Hehe... In any case, this nice little NWA chondrite, #1922760058, is listed in an off category, at $1, utterly without reserve, and ending in less than 3 hours. Shipping in the US is $3.85. In other news, I've decided to reorganize my business, and put my ebay and other business efforts in a secondary position while I work to begin a career in secondary (high school) science or history education. Either subject has lots of room for meteorites to wiggle their way in to the curriculum. All the best, and a Merry Christmas Season to all. -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite presentations
I went down a few months back to share the wonders and joys of meteorites with a group of cub scouts. I've done presentations for the same group in the past on subjects like starting fires with flint and steel... it is not hard to entertain kids with fire. With meteorites on the other hand, I was speaking to a circle of blank stares. I went as simple as I knew how to. I dumbed it down to stuff I could have followed at 4 years old. ...and even that brought a gentle reprimand from their leader afterwards 'You have to remember that these are children, not college students.' The only thing worse than the blank stares was the utter lack of interest. It went that bad. I'll just stick to educating customers in my shop. At least customers can walk out if they find it boring I had one actually glaze over and stagger the other day. No kidding. She asked 'how do you know this is from Mars'. I should have been paying more attention I guess. I've had a number that get frustrated because I focus on the science behind the subject rather than feelings and spiritual stuff. Sometimes I feel like I could sell more if I told them that the trace minerals will bring about weight loss... or just give it a good 'Feel the vibes man! Doesn't it just resonate with your heart chakra?...can't you just feel your spiritual self unfolding and the light of distant stars poring into your soul?' Hehe, actually I sort of like that last line. But I can't make myself do that, so I wait and treasure the ones in who's souls a spark of scientific interest gleams. The rest I just let handle the rocks. Who knows, maybe one of those cub scouts or customers will become a space scientist some day. They might have been more interested than they looked. -Robert Beauford > Hello list. It's very active today, I like that. Last night I gave a = > meteorite presentation at the San Diego Lapidary Society. It most = > certainly was not the first presentation I've ever given in front of = > people, but it was the first one about meteorites. Their general = > meeting was called to order at 7pm, and they went about their business. = > You know, Robert Rules of order kind of stuff, and a raffle. It was = > quite pleasant actually. Most of the membership is quite a bit older = > than myself and my girlfriend. One kind older gentleman came over and = > told me great stories about the meteorites he's found. Other members = > came up to me with three different rocks and asked if they were = > meteorites, unfortunately they were not and I had to be the one to break = > the bad news. I finally got to speak around 8:15pm and was quite = > nervous. I made up a packet of text that I wrote with graphics, images, = > and other statistics and passed them out. I also brought about 50 = > specimens to show around and some moldavites and tektites. I really was = > geared up to give a really great talk, I had already visualized it in my = > head. So I introduced myself, and quickly warned them that:" I have a = > tendency to go off on tangents and never come back. Oh, and I'm = > longwinded at times, so I'll be sticking to the script" So I was very = > nervous all of a sudden and started to stammer and forget the words and = > had to begin reading. I told them about the beginnings of the solar = > system, accretion, asteroids, oxygen isotopes, fall statistics, = > identifying meteorites, classification with actual samples of each = > class, chemical make -up, Prospects for life elsewhere (alh84001, = > murchison, Allende,etc.), then I told them about the new large object = > that was just announced on Monday. Wow was I imparting the goods on = > these people. Then I looked up and people were nodding off, the people = > in the back had already snuck out. I had been talking for about 45 = > minutes. I could feel that hollow pit in my stomach becoming an abysmal = > void and I was getting sucked down. I could feel the beads of sweat = > forming on my bald head, my girlfriend was staring right at me. I = > wrapped in up quickly, and asked if there were questions. The few people = > who hadn't snuck out already had plenty of questions, and some were = > quite tricky. One woman right up front told me about her grandfather = > getting his haystack burnt down by a meteor. I didn't know what to say. = > I blurted out "Really, how interesting!" It doesn't quite seem possible = > to me, but I couldn't tell her that. I think it was well past there bed = > time, because after I ended the talk they politely clapped and got the = > hell out of there. I knew as soon as I sat down in the car what had gone = > wrong. I'm very hard on myself, very critical. My girlfriend told me = > what a great job I did, which is nice and I think she was trying to be = > nice. If you are this far down into this diatribe you've probably = > already got me pegged. I'm a nervous talker, and I'm longwinded. Strike = > one. I hadn't pictured the right audience in my pre-visualization. = > Strike two.
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites from Outside the Solar System
Melosh, H. J. Exchange of Meteoritic Material Between Stellar Systems. 32'nd LPSC http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2001/pdf/2022.pdf The link above will take you to it. -Robert Beauford - Original Message - From: "Rafael B. Torres" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites from Outside the Solar System > Thanks Robert, I will look on the net, any ideas of how the paper is > named?...Also I want to thanks to everyone in this list that always answers > all my questions about meteorites...Thanks to all > > > =0) > Rafael B. Torres > Space Collection 2001 > http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando > > > _ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites from Outside the Solar System
There was a paper on that at the LPSC last year that had worked out some hypothetical odds. I think it's still on the net in the abstracts. -Robert Beauford : ) Hello List Good Morning to all and happy day¡¡¡. I was reading Rocks from Space and looking at my collection, thinking about meteorites. In one part of the book Norton says that asteroids in early solar system were perturbed by Jupiter's gravity, sending them aoutside the solar system¡...I thought a bout that, there must be several asteroids from Earth that are wandering and traveling somewhere there aoutside our solar system within out Milky WayIf thats possible, maybe the other way is too.This is what I mean, there are millions of stars in our Milky WAy, which thousands (and more¡¡) may have planets forming or formed, there are also millions of dark bodies, and gas clouds, where asteroids or planetesimals may be forming, well if a star passes near one of them or just another big planet, they might be millions of pieces of rock wandering our Milky WAy, what are the chances of one entering the solar system, making its way through Earth and more important what chracteristics should it show?...Is there any expert on this topic that can answer this, maybe they have an older isotopic record, but the isotopes and daughter maybe are destroyed after several million years, do we have any chances to idenify an intruder from outside the Solar System??Maybe we have a meteorite from Outside the Solar System in our collections, but we don't know, maybe we should look closer and remenber that next time we hold a NWA meteorite. Thats what I like of NWA meteorites, we never know what have they seenRafael B. Torres2001 Space Collectionhttp://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando
[meteorite-list] re: Meteorite Contest #6 - an even dozen
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Contest #6 - FREE NWA869 > Come up with a contest ideal for me...for Meteorite Contest #7. > Something anyone can enter reguardless of collection size or knowledge level preferrably. > I will end this contest on monday. E-mail entries to the list please. =20 > The prize... > A 98.8 gram NWA869 individual with some crust. Everybody who enters = > will at least recieve an NWA869 micromount. Free shipping to all. > Thanks, Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" Meteorite Contests, an even dozen: 1. What is your favorite meteorite group or classification and why? 2. What is the theme or style of your collection, and why? 3. What is the next thing you would like to know about meteorites? 4. What part do you think meteorite parent bodies, based on what we currently know about their composition and behaviour, might play in the future of humananity? 5. Explain Portales Valley. 6. Of all the known witnessed falls and/or prehistoric crater leaving meteorite impacts, what is your favorite, and why does that particular one impress or intruige you? 7. What could you do personally to benefit humanity or the science of meteoritics through your meteorite collecting? 8. What is your favorite meteorite or meteor related myth or misbelief, historical or current? 9. If a discovery were made that a 100 meter meteor were approaching the earth on a confirmed intercept trajectory, what class would you prefer it to be, and why? 10. Who would you nominate to be the first recorded instance of a human being struck directly by a falling meteorite? 11. Who would you nominate to be the first recorded instance of a human being struck directly by a meteorite retaining cosmic velocity? 12. Where will the next witnessed fall over 10 kilos occur? -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Raton, NM KT Boundary Location
I'm going to drive up to Raton in a few days and try to find an exposed portion of the KT boundary. Does anyone know where specifically to go to look? -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite science discussion list
"Several times I have thought of starting a little secondary list with the purpose of taking a section from books or abstracts or other articles and breaking them down at the tedious level of the underlying science and concepts and vocabulary until everyone actually understood not only the words but the concepts behind them and expressed by them... even if it had to be done one sentence at a time. That's not the sort of thing most people are interested in, but it fascinates me. -Robert Beauford : )" After I wrote this the other day, several people expressed interest in having a specialized list devoted just to learning about the science of meteoritics, so I've done it. The list is called meteoritics, and is hosted on Yahoo. The subscribe address for the list is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The description of the list is: Meteoritics, meteorites, meteorites and their parent objects, planetary geology, and lunar and planetary science as it relates to meteorites and meteoritics. Not a sales or gossip list. No religion. No politics. No flames. No sales lists or advertisements. No sales industry policing. Be polite, be professional, be kind or be gone. This list has been created to provide a forum for anyone who wants to discuss and learn about meteorites from a scientific standpoint at any level of expertise. The tone will be academic and scientific in nature. So that we can all enjoy ourselves, individuals who flame, preach, or persist in an argumentitive attitude will be removed without notice or comment. Lesser offenses such as non-topical gossip will be commented on prior to removal so that we don't lose any pleasant people who are just having an odd day. On topic humor and occasional good natured or generous hearted asides and digressions are just fine. -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] micrometeorites
Someone, I don't remember who, had a picture about 2 years ago, of a neat little microspheroid with a lip like an oriented tektite. I've never seen anything else like it, and i've spent a lot of time gazing at those little things. A grain of rice size is huge! compared to most microspheroids though. I did once find a piece that big that appeared to be oriented. It wasn't in a gutter though. It was shaped like a frozen cartoon raindrop. It's the only bit I've ever found by sweeping desert roads with a magnet broom (a nice way to spend an afternoon or 10) that really appeared to be meteoritic in origin. -Robert Beauford : ) Hello List, I am new to the list and relatively new to the meteorite collecting thing! I know when I have found a possible meteorite, there is always great people out there willing to look at it, and give an opinion. Well I read an article on collecting micro meteorites. I thought my mother in-laws roof would be perfect for collecting micros. She has a large house that's about 40 years old and has a white pea-gravel roof. I figured it would act like a giant sluice box! So, I went up and dragged a magnet through the 1/2 inch deep gravel. I came up with some Interesting stuff, one in particular! It is about the shape of a piece of rice, a very small piece of rice, magnetic, black and under a 10 X loop it is a dead ringer for an oriented Sikhote-Alin I bought on E-Bay! Can a micrometeorite be oriented? Is there Micro-collectors that would look at a possible Micro? I do not have a microscope so I can't do much more. I sure would like an expert's opinion on this little guy. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ROFL
"Dr Robert Foot suggests that many of the missing comets could be made of an exotic material called 'mirror matter', a new type of invisible matter... If the events of Tunguska and Jordan are the results of mirror space-bodies, then tonnes of mirror matter might lie hidden just below the surface of these sites, waiting to be found." First you take your metal detector and wrap it thrice clockwise in silver wire, sprinkle with garlic powder and have it blessed by a priest of the True Faith. Oh me of little faith, -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dust in Earth's Attic
I've often wondered... since the moon has virtually no atmosphere to slow down impactors, wouldn't a far higher percentage of material be converted to energy and unidentifiable components upon impact with the moon? Or could the dynamics of the ejection and capture process result in fairly slow entry speeds for items from earth reaching the moon? By the same token, and for the same reason, no atmosphere, I guess anything that hit, even 3 billion years ago, should be pretty much intact unless destroyed by subsequent impacts. -Robert Beauford : ) > Because of the moon's position in the inner solar system, in > theory it has collected material from all the planets. Earth > matter probably is most abundant, since it is closest to the > moon, but Armstrong, Wells and Gonzalez expect that fallout > from Mars and Venus also is abundant enough that it could be > recovered. They have calculated that, on average, perhaps 22 > tons of Earth material is spread over every 38 square miles > of the moon. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Books
The best meteorite book that I have read, other than Norton, of coarse, is Planetary Materials, Reviews in Mineralogy vol 36. The book that I would like most to read on the subject is also Planetary Materials, Reviews in Mineralogy vol 36. Why you might ask, are these two the same? Because I didn't understand a lot of it the first two times. There is a wealth of knowledge in this book. The book I would most like to see Richard Norton would have to be something to the effect of 'Understanding the science behind meteorite composition, analysis, and classification.' That is to say, something that would bridge the geological, geochemical, and related background knowledge gaps between the great books that McSween and Norton have written and the more technical publications such as Planetary Materials or the abstracts from LPSC conferences. Several times I have thought of starting a little secondary list with the purpose of taking a section from the book or an abstract or other article and breaking it down at the tedious level of the underlying science and concepts and vocabulary until everyone actually understood not only the words but the concepts behind them and expressed by them... even if it had to be done one sentence at a time. That's not the sort of thing most people are interested in, but it fascinates me. -Robert Beauford : ) > What is the best meteorite book you have read? > AND > What is the meteorite book you would like to read? > > Just to make it a little harder you cannot answer with either of Richard = > Norton's books. (Note to anyone interested in meteorites: If you do not = > have Norton's books, GET THEM, e'nuff said) > > For bonus points you can answer.. > > "The book I would really like to see Richard Norton write is.." > > Thanks, Mark Bostick "The Big Collector" __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A fellow with a rock.
Forwarding this so that someone in the UK can give the fellow a hand. -Robert Beauford : ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hi,just wondered if you could give me some advice.I recently dug up what I have been told is a meteorite.Its almost spherical and weighs around 2-21/2 lbs in weight.I was just wondering if you would know any websites located in the UK that I could contact about my find so I could find some more info.Thanks very much for your time. > Regards > Andy __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kaali meteorite - Estonia, 400BC?
An Estonian friend of mine has mentioned this crater several times. Apparently it was a favorite swimming hole when she was a child. -Robert Beauford : ) > Subject: [meteorite-list] Re:Kaali meteorite - Estonia, 400BC? > > Hi all - > > If anyone has MAPS at hand, I would be most interested > in the citations of Tacitus and Pytheas. > > best wishes - > ep > > > --- Bernd Pauli HD > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > Doing some research for a radio slot, and am > > intrigued by the "Kaali" > > > meteorite which fell in Estonia around 400BC; in > > the brief net > > > searches I've done so far I've found intriguing > > references to the Sun > > > being blocked out by the impact, localised > > environmental devastation > > > and even "human casualties"... Couple of websites > > say that there's a > > > large crater in Estonia, and several (as many as > > 8?) smaller craters > > > nearby, but am just wondering if anyone out there > > has any more > > > specific info about this impact? Thanks in advance > > for all info / > > > help, Stu > > > > Hello Stu and List, > > > > Here are two scientifically reliable references: > > > > RASMUSSEN K.L. et al. (2000) The age of the > > Kaalijärv meteorite > > craters (MAPS 35-5, 2000, pp. 1067-1071, excerpt): > > > > 400-370 B.C. at ± 1o / The nine Kaalijärv craters > > on the Estonian > > island of Saaremaa (Ösel) were caused by the impact > > of a fragmented IAB > > iron meteorite, of which several masses have been > > recovered totalling > > about 2.5 kg. The largest piece recovered so far > > weighs 38.4 gr (Raukas > > et al., 1999). > > > > VESKI S. et al. (2001) Ecological catastrophe in > > connection with the > > impact of the Kaali Meteorite about 800-400 BC on > > the island of > > Saaremaa, Estonia (MAPS 36-10, 2001 pp. 1367-1375, > > excerpt): > > > > About 800-400 B.C. a meteoroid hit a then relatively > > densely populated > > island, forming the Kaali meteorite impact craters. > > Unfortunately the > > people living at that time on the island of Saaremaa > > were illiterate and > > we have no direct written record of the impact > > event. Indirect written > > historical records interpreted as describing the > > Kaali meteorite blast > > event come from Tacitus (1942) and Pytheas from > > Massalia. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] By golly, just the best dream.
Woke up from a dream where I was selected to be on a research team to spend several days in a habitat on the surface of mars. Saw the most outrageous impact craters, found sedimentary rocks, learned that the face really was made by sentient hands, and got to bring back a beautiful green and red banded copper and manganese rich specimen that was sprinkled on one side with tiny perfect cubic pyrite crystals. Was so happy in the dream that I weapt with joy! (Wouldn't you with a martian specimen like that!) Then woke to this fun discussion! All the best, Robert Beauford : ) > Thanks to Sterling for his "head's up" on this outrageously "unique" feature > recently photographed on the surface of Mars. If you were in a rush and > didn't check it out, here's another > chance..http://www.enterprisemission.com/samp5.htm > > I'm wondering if Ron Baalke might be able to get some of his colleagues to > explain this phenomenon? > > In awe, > > Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor from Taos
~10:55 Mtn Time Zone Big bright beautiful meteor dividing into pieces and terminating about 30 degrees above the horizon. Appeared on a coarse angled from South to South Southwest of Taos. -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm so confused.
How could this possibly be an H5? It's gorgeous! Meteorite Richardton North Dakota Fall 16g Item # 1072147762 And I thought I was finally getting a hang of classifications. This H5 looks like no other H5 or even H4 that I have seen. What am I missing? -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nice rocks this time!
> Now, I know these here may not be celestials, but I appreciate it if you > could tell me what they might be: > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/grn.htm > Cheers > Mohamed This may well be the only positive thing I've said to you so far, Mohamed. You have found some very nice rocks this time. I don't know what that green stuff is (you are correct, it is not meteorite), but it looks like it would make some absolutely fabulous cabachons. Go for a good pale green blending to white with some of that rich black matrix spider webbing it, and, if it comes out the way that it looks like it might, you could be in a 50cent/gram or better range on the finished cabs. Also, with that gorgeous waxy surface and the conchoidal fracture the stuff has, be sure to look around the area and check for artifacts. The stuff may well have been worked into tools by early people. Good find this time! -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vaccuum-Packed Campos
As much as I would love to take credit for the clever idea of vacuum packing this material..., your seller on this item was 'ivebeenrobbed'. The last item I had the pleasure of shipping to you was Anne Black and the Jensen's very nice book, 'Meteorites A to Z'. You will all be pleased to know we will be updating Wendi's page soon. Less excited, I'm sure, to know that I will be adding a new meteorite page as well. Ah... some of us simply dwell in the shadows of stars. I did actually receive 1 (one, yes only 1 - thank you Anne!) comment on the meteorites 101 page. I don't think a single other person got past my wife's bellydancing link. I don't blame you at all. It's amazing I get any work done with such a splendid distraction dancing around the house all the time. Like I said before, now you know why I'm always smiling. All the best, -Robert Beauford : ) ebay id: enchanted-treasures (Since I've recently learned my true place in the world, and since, in addition to this silly meteorite related stuff, I wish to also provide you with information that may actually be of use or interest, Wendi's ebay id is 'bellydance') > Subject: [meteorite-list] Vaccuum-Packed Campos > > All, > > Recently I bought a 100 g lot of Campo fragments from a dealer on eBay. He > used the user name "Enchanted Treasures." (In fact, some discussion of > belly-dancing was sparked by this gentleman's self-introduction to the > list.) The Campo fragments are all 1-2 g each and apparently were tumbled > - all are nice and shiny. > > When they arrived I was surprised to see a small factory sealed package. > No zip-lock style bag here. In fact, the meteorites are double bagged and > clearly were vacuum-packed like ground coffee. Has anyone seen this before? > I'm just curious now about the process and who might be doing it. > > I was going to sell the little campos for a couple of dollars each in the > gift shop of my observatory, but the bag looks so nifty I may not have the > heart to open it up! > Bob Martino __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ruination of illigitimate meteorites
I'm sure all of the recent discussion about the ruination of illigitimate meteorites has touched a place in all of our hearts. Theses sad specimens, lacking the opportunities offered by a good education and family, and often suffering the wasting affects of lingering malnourishment due to their origins in the poorer arid climes of our planet, need help. To this end, I have started 'Robert's Home for Illigitimate and Troubled Meteorites and Miscellaneous Extraterrestrials'. That's RHITMME for short. If you feel the need to support this worthy geolitarian cause or if you are seeking a home for illigitimate meteorites in your collection, send financial donations or homeless specimens to: RHITMME care of: Robert Beauford HC 71 Box 2B Taos, NM 87571 Thank you for your time, and thank you for supporting this worthy cause. -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite-list digest, Vol 1 #977 - 22 msgs
Fortunate aren't I. Now you know why I'm always smiling. -Robert Beauford : ) > Oh come on Robert! You really think we are going to look at boring meteorite > pics when the link below it is for Wendi's Belly Dancing Page? > I imagine that when Matteo used to link his offerings to a page that listed > female model photography, his sales dropped because most the those > interested in viewing his meteorites forgot why they went to the site in the > first place after a only a few errant mouse clicks. > Now why, again, were we supposed to look at you page? > Cheers, > Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New web site.
I've just finished posting a new little educational web site. Just thought I'd let all of you good people know. I'd be happy to hear about it if you see any errors or misinformation that I might be able to correct. I'll be expanding and improving on it over time. The page is posted at: www.enchanted-treasures.com Just follow the 'Click Here to Learn About Meteorites' link and then click on 'Meteorites 101' All the best, -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] twit
I didn't think it was amusing ~a year ago when I first saw this absurd website with it's collection of interesting minerals set up for sale as meteorites in what appears to be an lame attempt at fraud. And I can't say that I still don't find it amusing, because now I truly do! This is not the fresh excitement of a person with a very looong learning curve. It is either a very very good practical joke (and kudos to whoever if it is!) or one of the least impressive people I have ever encountered. (You should have met the biblical inerancy guy who came by my garage sale and explained dinosaurs, the nature of the fossil record, human origins, and his views on planetary atmospheres to me the other day. I was careful not to encourage him by hinting any interest in the topics so he wound down after only 20 minutes.) -Robert Beauford : ) > From: "DiamondMeteor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] lunar? > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:13:48 +0400 > > Dear Dave and List; > Sorry if my posts are irritating you so much; but I dont see why!!! > I promise I will not post anything about my METEORITES until I get them > certified. > The white regions in the last pictures are NOT calcite at all. Besides, > there is a clear fusion crust that maybe not seen well in the picture > because the bulk is also black. I forgot to tell you that the rock is a > little magnetic, > though this is not common for lunar meteorites. > The REAL expert that I am talking about is someone who had tested many of > the known lunar meteorites > and rocks before, including those brought back by Apollo. > Remember that I am searching in Oman where quite a few lunar meteorites had > been > found before. > You will see soon that all these three types of rocks are lunar. Including > the last > one that would be the first of its kind. > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln1.htm > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln2.htm > http://pages.britishlibrary.net/mhy10/meteor/ln3.htm > > Good Byeee > Mohamed __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LPSC
When is the upcoming Lunar and Planetary Science Conference, and where will they hold it with the new security considerations? I don't want to miss it, and it seems like I had heard something before this time last year. -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] planetary meteorites
Does the current count for planetary meteorites fall at 15 Martian meteorites and 14 Lunar meteorites? Thanks, -Robert Beauford : ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite fall rates, please, and first piece
Could someone give me a hand with approximations of the correct information for the following questions? Thanks in advance, -Robert Beauford : ) ps. On the topics of first pieces, mine was a meteorwrong found in Colorado when I was 8. I still have it. I don't remember when my first real meteorite came along. They were just another gemstone/mineral variety for many years until I read about the stony variety and understood the extent of the science that was possible in these wonderful rocks. I never was all that fascinated by the irons or tektites until I understood them in their context. Now I really appreciate them (but not as much as the chondrites). I actually bought small irons and tektites from many of you at Tucson when I did the show and dealt in gems, pearls, and anything else fascinating. That's been a few years, though, and I didn't know who any of you were. (Now that I want very much to meet you all face to face, I haven't had the opportunity to go back to Tucson.) My first chondrite, and the beginning of my passion for the subject, was a gift from a list member. I couldn't learn enough about it. I still spend a lot of time just trying to understand the science behind the subject (Reviews in Meneralogy v. 36 helps a lot.), but it's challenging to make headway from books alone. I really wish there was a meteoritics department or planetary science program closer to home or an extension studies coarse. I'd be working on my masters right now if there were. Thanks for sharing all of your first meteorite stories! Again, any help with the questions below would be most sincerely appreciated. -Robert Beauford : ) Questions What proportion of visible meteors, or shooting stars, results in a meteorite being left on the ground? Would it be accurate to say far less than 1 in 1(??) 1 object over 10 grams falls per (how many square miles) per year. An object over 1 kilo (2.2 lbs) might fall in a given 1 square mile piece of land only once in every (how many) years? Even very broad estimates will be fine, as long as they communicate something about the rate of falls. Thank you again to anyone who might be willing to take the time to help! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteorite fall rates
I'm afraid I didn't pay as much attention as I should have the last 3 or 4 times that the subject of fall rates came up. Could someone give me a hand with approximations of the correct information in the following statements? I sincerely appreciate any help. -Robert Beauford : ) "Far less than 1 in 1(??) visible meteors, or shooting stars, results in a meteorite being left on the ground." "Very rarely, an object large enough to see with the unaided eye, a meteorite, is swept up with these dust sized particles. This occurs at the rate of about 1 object over 10 grams (about the size of a quarter) per ?? square miles per year. As the size of the objects get larger, the rate of fall becomes exponentialy smaller, so that we can expect that an object over 1 kilo (2.2 lbs) might fall in a given 1 square mile piece of land only once in every ?? years. Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] bid tampering and meteorwrong solutions
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible eBay Solution? > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:09:19 > > >The other option is to contact the buyer and inform them that they've > >probably bought a meteor-wrong. > This is a strict violation of ebay rules - particularly when an auction is > still in progress. Ebay will act on people who do this and you could get > suspended from ebay. It called "bid tampering". Usually this is good because people who email buyers are usually nutcases out to screw a seller or > otherwise interfere with his business. I'm not a lawyer and in no way qualified to comment on contractual law, but I think it might also fall under interference of contract in a broader legal setting. I sure as heck wouldn't do it. It's too easy to then justify '... now here is an example of a better item that I happen to be offering.' I say stick with educating the sellers. It would be nice to have a broadly useful meteorwrong site where sellers can be directed to learn about minerals and industrial byproducts commonly mistaken for meteorites. ...Something along the lines of a gently informative article with background, general guidelines for distinctions of both meteorites and meteorwrongs, high quality pictures of the most common meteorwrongs with detailed descriptions of what they are and where they come from or how they form, and a section describing where and how they can get an item tested. Then do up a standard formalized letter that describes who is calling the item into question, along with their qualifications, and how the person may redress the problem. Mention that if they would feel more comfortable ending their auction if they could recieve a second or third opinion from other qualified persons, than you can have several other people who have commented on the meteorwrong contact them as well. -Robert : ) Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] My Vote
I vote IMCA, and Rhett, whether you decide to take the helm again or not, I appreciate your hard work and vison. -Robert Beauford : ) Show your support at the Red Cross Disaster Relief Fund - http://s1.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/my-pay-page/PKAXFNQH7EKCX/058-5084202-7156648 ___ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
