Re: [meteorite-list] Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earthin 2182
Not a mathematician are you?? LOL..it's 172 years. Bet that will make a nice strewn field!!! Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society - Original Message - From: "Thunder Stone" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 6:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earthin 2182 Wow - that's only 72 years from now... Don't think I'll be around Greg S. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/28/massive-asteroid-hit-earth-warn-scientists/?test=faces Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earth in 2182 A large asteroid in space that has a remote chance of slamming into the Earth would be most likely hit in 2182, if it crashed into our planet at all, a new study suggests. The asteroid, called 1999 RQ36, has about a 1-in-1,000 chance of actually hitting the Earth, but half of that risk corresponds to potential impacts in the year 2182, said study co-author María Eugenia Sansaturio of the Universidad de Valladolid in Spain. Sansaturio and her colleagues used mathematical models to determine the risk of asteroid 1999 RQ36 impacting the Earth through the year 2200. They found two potential opportunities for the asteroid to hit Earth in 2182. The research is detailed in the science journal Icarus. The asteroid was discovered in 1999 and is about 1,837 feet (560 meters) across. A space rock this size could cause widespread devastation at an impact site in the remote chance that it hit Earth, according to a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences. Scientists have tracked asteroid 1999 RQ36's orbit through 290 optical observations and 13 radar surveys, but there is still some uncertainty because of the gentle push it receives from the so-called Yarkovsky effect, researchers said. The Yarkovsky effect, named after the Russian engineer I.O. Yarkovsky who proposed it around 1900, describes how an asteroid gains momentum from thermal radiation that it emits from its night side. Over hundreds of years, the effect's influence on an asteroid's orbit could be substantial. Sansaturio and her colleagues found that through 2060, the chances of Earth impacts from 1999 RQ36 are remote, but the odds increase by a magnitude of four by 2080 as the asteroid's orbit brings it closer to the Earth. The odds of impact then dip as the asteroid would move away, and rise in 2162 and 2182, when it swings back near Earth, the researchers found. It's a tricky orbital dance that makes it difficult to pin down the odds of impact, they said. "The consequence of this complex dynamic is not just the likelihood of a comparatively large impact, but also that a realistic deflection procedure (path deviation) could only be made before the impact in 2080, and more easily, before 2060," Sansaturio said in a statement. After 2080, she added, it would be more difficult to deflect the asteroid. "If this object had been discovered after 2080, the deflection would require a technology that is not currently available," Sansaturio said. "Therefore, this example suggests that impact monitoring, which up to date does not cover more than 80 or 100 years, may need to encompass more than one century." By expanding the timeframe for potential impacts, researchers would potentially identify the most threatening space rocks with enough time to mount deflection campaigns that are both technologically and financially feasible, Sansaturio said. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite 20 Questions - Answer and Share if youDare. :)
Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society - Original Message - 1) When did you start collecting? (how long ago)May 2009 2) What first interested you about meteorites?I could actually hold something from space!! 3) What was your first meteorite purchase, and from whom?NWAxxx from John (moonman) 4) How many meteorites or localities do you currently have in your collection?63 5) If you had to know for insurance purposes, what do you value your entire collection at? - in dollars - ballpark figure OK, or just say "none of your business".+/- 2000.00 6) What is your favorite meteorite and why?Either my Brenham(pallasites are the coolest!!)) or Almahatta Sitta(Unique) 7) Have you ever found a meteorite in the field?No 8) Did you ever get the deal of a lifetime on a meteorite? If so, what was it?A Dry Lake from Steve Arnold (MetMan) 9) Did you ever go through the ordeal of a lifetime to obtain aNo meteorite? If so, please explain. 10) Have you ever consumed meteoritic material? (If so, how or under what circumstances?)Hell no, it cost too much!!! 11) Does your spouse share your meteorite passion, is ambivalent towards it, or resents it?Appreciates it. 12) Have you ever let a bill go unpaid or late to buy a meteorite? No (not yet) LOL!! 13) A perfectly oriented, fully crusted, baseball-sized, lunar meteorite crashes through your roof and lands in your lap while you are reading this. It's the most gorgeous aesthetically-superior specimen you have ever seen - like Lafayette, but better. It legally belongs to you. What do you do with it? Do the Meteorite Dance also, send a sample for analysis, probably donate some samples, sell a few, and keep a BIG hunk 14) Statistics have caught up with someone. Anne Hodges will no longer be the only documented person to be struck by a falling meteorite. Assuming the next person struck could be anyone and you could pick that person, who would it be? (silly answers only, nothing mean or political)ME, ME, ME, ME 15) You are awarded the honor of selecting one specimen to keep from any meteorite collection in the world. What would it be? ALMAHATTA SITTA 16) Have you ever sold or donated your entire collection, and then had to rebuild it? Absolutely NOT!!! 17) Summarize what you think about tektites in one sentence. The look like turds. :^) 18) Which do you prefer - thin sections, whole specimens, slices, or endcuts?WHOLE 19) Do you collect meteorwrongs?NO 20) Have you ever dropped a tiny crumb of a rare meteorite and lost it? ALMOST, LOST A PIECE OF MY TAGISH LAKE -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from SouthCarolina
OK guys I might be onto something here..look at this picture of the super secret X-37B that was launched at KSC in April http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=x37b-shroud-100421-02.jpg&cap=The+U.S.+Air+Force%27s+X-37B+Orbital+Test+Vehicle+is+shown+inside+its+payload+fairing+during+encapsulation+at+the+Astrotech+facility+in+Titusville%2C+Fla.%2C+ahead+of+a+planned+April+2010+launch+from+Cape+Canaveral+Air+Force+Station+in+Florida.+Credit%3A+USAF Panels inside look JUST LIKE the debris that washed up. http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/x-37b-space-plane-orbital-spy-100519.html http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20100524/sc_space/secretx37bspaceplanespottedbyamateurskywatchers What do ya think??? Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert D." To: Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Probable launch debris recovered from SouthCarolina Darren posted: Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 The next trick would have been driving around 250 miles home with that strapped to the roof... Worth a pretty penny to space debris collectors, to be sure. However, the conjecture at the end of the article can be easily dismissed: "According to the BBC, an Ariane 5 rocket launched from French Guiana in northern South America just three days ago. No word yet on if the debris came from that rocket." It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to rule this out. Sure, the Ariane 5 launch was May 21 and the debris washed ashore on May 22. However, this was an eastern launch out of Kourou since they were going to geosynchronous orbit. Kind of hard to get a booster section from equatorial waters to the beaches of South Carolina in 24 hours. This had to have come from an older launch -- *assuming* it's space launch debris. The most recent Kourou launch prior to last Friday was Helios IIB on an Ariane 5GS on December 18th. Unlike the May 24th launch, this is a possible candidate for two reasons: (1) it allows sufficient time for SRB debris to drift to the U.S. East Coast, and (2) the Helios launch went into sunsynchronous (polar) orbit, which means it launched north out of French Guiana. Unlike the solids on the U.S. Space Shuttle, the Ariane 5 SRB's are not reusable and are usually allowed to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Occasionally they will be fitted with parachutes and recovered for diagnostic purposes. (I don't happen to know if they attempted this on the Helios IIB launch or not.) --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Damn! I shoulda gone beach combing!
I saw that on the news tonight. That is exactly where we stayed a couple years ago, Palmetto Dunes, Hilton Head, SC. Strange thing about it I noticed. There is no burn marks from reentry!!! Shouldn't there be??? Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" To: "Meteorite Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Damn! I shoulda gone beach combing! Washed up on a South Carolina beach (I'm in SC) http://www.wmbfnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=12534303 The next trick would have been driving around 250 miles home with that strapped to the roof... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name?
As for a name, what about LWI 001?? Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: "Melanie Matthews" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name? Hope my specimens arrive in the mail before it gets officially named/classified! Things have been kinda slow over the past couple of weeks from the US into Canada.. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: Jeff Grossman To: Meteorite List Sent: Sun, May 9, 2010 1:06:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name? I tried to send this yesterday, but it seems to have not gotten through... -- There are many factors considered in naming a meteorite. It is rare for the NomCom to pick its own name out of the blue. It usually serves as more of a review panel than anything else. Some consideration is given to the finder, to the first person to describe the meteorite, to commercial usage, to the distribution of find locations, etc. In this case, I don't know what will happen. If there has been contact with the committee, I don't know about it yet and no proposals are on the table at this time. But I know the classification has been done. Jeff On 2010-05-09 7:41 AM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi Michael and all, Actually you are wrong. Obviously the original submitter gets a say or else how do they choose the name?! And yes... the Nom Com gets the final say but they need the recommendations to start with and that comes from the submitting party. I recommend you read Jeff Grossman's post regarding West/Ash Creek: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2009-April/051836.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "Jeff Kuyken" ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name? Hi Jeff and all, My understanding is that the naming of all meteorites is at the sole discretion of the Nomenclature committee of the Meteoritical Society. The original finder is irrelevant. I believe anyone is free to suggest a name, but my experience is that such suggestions carry little, if any, weight. However, the list is fortunate in having a former member Of the Nomenclature Committee, Jeff Grossman as a member Of the list. He would most certainly know better than any of Us the specifics involved in naming a new fall. Michael On 5/8/10 4:46 AM, "Jeff Kuyken" wrote: Exactly. I think past falls have shown us that there is no point trying to push one name over another. Amgala... ooops I mean Oum Dreyga is a perfect example of that and dare I mention West... ooops... sorry... Ash Creek! ;-) Anyhow, I thought it was generally the first person submitting the classification/meteorite who got the rights (within reason). Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "al mitt" To: Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name? Greetings, It will be called what the Nomenclature Committee decides to name it as naming has always been done in the past. Dr. Jeff Grossman made mention the name Livingston would probably not be used due to conflict with other named specimens. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan" To: Meteorite-List Sent: Friday, May 07, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name? Hello Listers, I think the name of the meteorite should be Livingston because wasnt that the first place a meteorite was found and the media has been talking about that town. Plus it seems like that was ground zero the first couple of days when everyone rushed into WI. Shawn Alan Jeff Grossman wrote on April 17th: I see everybody starting to call this fall "Livingston"... but this is not likely to be accepted as the name since there are already meteorites named Livingston (Montana) and Livingston (Tennessee). Jeff [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name? James Balister balisterjames at att.net Fri May 7 18:06:46 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name? Next message: [meteorite-list] OT- color/camera issues Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] You all know that we gotta call it the Livingston strewn field. In fact we should start a new nameing process where all meteorites that are from a strewn field should have a large S after it. Regardless of the name of the rock. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-lis
Re: [meteorite-list] WI fall price...wow!
Heck, I just paid $.00/gr for an Almahatta Sitta!!! (i.e. $40.00 for a 12mg frag or $3.33/mg x 1000 = $.00/gr)!!! Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., CCAS - Original Message - From: "Steve Witt" To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" ; Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WI fall price...wow! Graham and List, This is not the highest price. Right after the fall Steve Arnold sold 17 pieces of this same material at an average price of $244.74 per gram. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sat, 5/8/10, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: [meteorite-list] WI fall price...wow! To: "Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral" Date: Saturday, May 8, 2010, 6:21 AM Highest price I have seen so far...amazing what difference being a 'hammer' makes! Great find Michael. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200466135832&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:GB:1123 I'm amazed that some of the farmers/locals out there havn't tried putting some of their own on ebay...perhaps they will if they see this? Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
