Re: [meteorite-list] Mayo Belwa Q
Thanks Jeff . I just uploaded a few more pics. Still got to find my Shallowater. I changed the title to Aubrites so the last link will not work.. http://picasaweb.google.com/jaypiatek/Aubrites Jay - Original Message - From: "Jeff Kuyken" To: "Wendy Piatek" Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mayo Belwa Q Hi Jay, WOW! To say those specimens are stunning would be the understatement of the year! Thanks for sharing the pics! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Wendy Piatek" To: "Michael Blood" Cc: <http://picasaweb.google.com/jaypiatek/Aubrites#> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mayo Belwa Q Hi Michael . This is the first time I have tried downloading pics to the web. Let me know if it works. You should see a 68.1g Mayo Belwa . Aubrites are among my favorites as they are very unusual especially when compared to other specimens. They are rare as a group (non Antarctic) with only 11, mainly falls, and somewhat older with 1948 being the recent. Many would have been lost for good if they were not observed falls as nobody including myself would have taken them for meteoritic and water would have quickly destroyed them. How Mount Egerton and Shallowater got in the group is a mystery macroscopically to me. http://picasaweb.google.com/jaypiatek/MayoBelwa I should be posting my other aubrites shortly I do have access to several other MB specimens if desired. No micros though. Jay - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mayo Belwa Q Re: Mayo Belwa Please contact me off list if you have any for sale or know Anyone who does. Do you know why it is so very scarce and why it costs So much? RSVP Thanks, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mayo Belwa Q
Hi Michael . This is the first time I have tried downloading pics to the web. Let me know if it works. You should see a 68.1g Mayo Belwa . Aubrites are among my favorites as they are very unusual especially when compared to other specimens. They are rare as a group (non Antarctic) with only 11, mainly falls, and somewhat older with 1948 being the recent. Many would have been lost for good if they were not observed falls as nobody including myself would have taken them for meteoritic and water would have quickly destroyed them. How Mount Egerton and Shallowater got in the group is a mystery macroscopically to me. http://picasaweb.google.com/jaypiatek/MayoBelwa I should be posting my other aubrites shortly I do have access to several other MB specimens if desired. No micros though. Jay - Original Message - From: "Michael Blood" To: "Meteorite List" Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mayo Belwa Q Re: Mayo Belwa Please contact me off list if you have any for sale or know Anyone who does. Do you know why it is so very scarce and why it costs So much? RSVP Thanks, Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite w/ the oldest terrestrial age?
I have a beautiful 214g partslice like Tim's that is available. Please email offlist with offers. Jay - Original Message - From: "Timothy Heitz" To: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" ; Cc: "Meteorite List" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite w/ the oldest terrestrial age? Hi Mike, Lake Murray has always been one of my favorite meteorites, be sure to read more information about Lake Murray http://www.meteorman.org/Lake_Murray.htm Best Regards, Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: Cc: "Meteorite List" Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite w/ the oldest terrestrial age? Thanks Norbert and Bob! :) Lake Murray is now on my list of specimens to acquire. Best regards, MikeG On 5/3/09, Norbert Classen wrote: Hi Mike, Have a look at my website charts for the "oldest" meteorites: http://www.meteoris.de/basics/charts3.html For non-fossil meteorites it would be lunar Dhofar 025 (for the available specimens, i.e. non-Antarctic samples). If you opt for fossil meteorites it's sure the Lake Murray iron as the Swedish fossils have never been for sale. Best, Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone & Ironworks Gesendet: Montag, 4. Mai 2009 01:02 An: Meteorite List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Meteorite w/ the oldest terrestrial age? Hi List! Basic question here : Which meteorite has the oldest terrestrial age? (if it's a meteorite not commonly available, then what is the oldest available specimen?) Thanks! MikeG -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bob Evans
I couldn't agree more with Phil. I have no idea why he is allowed to continue his communications on this list. We should not continue to look away and let some unsuspecting collector be taken advantage of. It can eventually affect the value of all of our collections. What needs to be done to get Art to remove him from the list. This was brought up in the past but no action was taken. I was hoping he would just pick a different hobby. Not so lucky... Al, Phil,McCartney,Anne,Martin H,Art...Everyone What is the next step? Jay Piatek MD - Original Message - From: "JoshuaTreeMuseum" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD- Catalog of the Antarctic Meteorites VERYRare Book A respected and important member of the meteorite community checked out the provenance of the last offerings on eBay by Bob Evans and they turned out to be shady to say the least. It looks like Bob Evans was selling stones with fake Monnig provenance according to his own source. Wouldn't this constitute fraud on a felony level? Can't something be done to stop this guy? When he comes back out of hiding after his latest rip off scams I say flame him until he crawls back into the scum from whence he came. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc
Bob the real truth is that you have been caught. You have had ample opportunity to come clean with the real provenance of the specimens but you chose not to. I have checked on your story for both Zulu Queen as well as Andover. The following is an exerpt from an email that a collector sent me.: Back in December Bob Evans put a part slice of Zulu Queen on ebay, about a gram. I asked then if he might have a larger piece and if the provenance was Jim Schwade, since I knew Jim had a large slice and I assumed it had come from him (I had previously asked if Jim wanted to sell, and I believe he said it was spoken for or had already been sold). Here's Bob's reply: I do have a little more Zulu Queen, but Im not sure at this point if I will sell more. I think I got more than $100/ gram last time I sold a slice. Im 99% sure that I got the Zulu Queen from Jim Schwade but I got it quite a few years ago so I do have to verify that. You then told a different collector you procured the Zulu Queen from UCLA. Upon questioning they denied ever working with you. IOM where the main mass is (<100g) also denied ever trading this to you. Jim is the only collector with a complete slice and he has never cut his . Nice scam. Looks like that 1% is going to come back to bite you. Many times I have heard your answer when asked about provenance is that due to sloppy records you can't remember who you got these specimens from. Bob I am a large collector with close to 800 specimens ---over 350 museum quality historic pieces. I can remember where I got each and every specimen. You have maybe what 10 meteorites that may be real (let's discount the fake ones you have been curating) and yet you can't recall where you've gotten them from.. Come on . Get real. I have tracked the provenance of each piece of Andover and once again sorry Bob---your bad memory points to your guilt. Jim would have been the source as he traded it from USNM. The only collectors with a piece are Jim,Martin H,Frank Cressy (from Al Lang), and myself. Oh yeah... Art Ehlmann has a nice specimen.The main mass is at USNM. They have not exchanged this with you either. Let's not even get into your bad memory of other specimens you have soldEnsisheim or could it be St .Severin, Mooresfort, Bialystok, Clareton...Heck the list goes on. Bob because of your bad memory I think this brings into question every specimen you have ever sold. My hope is that every colector that has ever dealt with you with micros will ask for a refund ---that is take you up on your offer that you advertise on ebay. For all I know perhaps several specimens were real but how would anyone know. You knew (thought ) no one would ever take any of your suspected micros and have them analyzed. Hmm... What you should be writing to Mike Bandli is an apology. Same goes for McCartney, and... and... Mike simply wanted straight answers to legitimate questions. He sold a piece of zulu queen that you sold to him and he just wanted reassurance that you got it from a legitimate source. I would think by this time with all the questions about your character that you would quickly come forward with the truth---who you got these specimens from. But in your case the truth hurts... Hey Bob who is the Illinois Attorney General's . I wonder if you mailed any of those specimens across state line. Isn't mail fraud a federal offense. Hmm... Sleep well... you will need the rest. Jay You wrote to one collector that you got Andover from Jim Schwade. Jim is a very good friend of mine . He denies ever selling either meteorite to you. A - Original Message - From: "Bob Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; "Mike Bandli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Zulu Queen, MCcartney Taylor etc Hey Mike, Thanks for causing alot of problems for me. Did it ever occur to you that I wasnt willing to give you my sources name because I was in the process of trying to obtain more meteorites, and I didnt need to compete with everybody else, including you ? Why dont you try asking Mike Farmer or the Hupes for the Moroccan names and phone #s. Good luck. Everything I ever sold you was up front nothing to hide. Now you come along with this. Why dont you send it to an accredited lab and see what they have to say instead of attacking me. Thats also pretty lame of you seeing as I told you that Im dealing with a parent who is in the hospital with blood clots in her lungs and I would deal with you later. Just so everyone should know. I have asked atleast one other dealer ( who sells many rare items on ebay ) for information on their supplier or provenance to just have my numerous inquiries go unanswered. So, why am I being singled out ? As far as jackass MCcartney Taylor , I gave the idiot planetary and achondrite for his chondrite and the moron sued me. Oh, he lied about not receiving my meteorites in court.
Re: [meteorite-list] MCcartney Taylor
Now this is class. First you rip him off. You don't show up to court. He wins. You don't pay up. And you have the gall to name call. You need to just crawl back in your hole and leave the meteorite community. We will be much better off.. This will not go away this time. Your silence again just shows your guilt. Best, Jay - Original Message - From: "Bob Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 4:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] MCcartney Taylor Listen MCcartney, You little know it all prick. Did you do any lying in court ? Based on the paper work you did indeed. This cant be discussed here any further and you know it. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit
What are the rules of the list and what would be necessary in order to expel someone. Certainly there is enough questions concerning this character to warrant some action.. Personally I don't want to read another email of Bob pointing out another ebay scammer. In my opinion he is extremely bad for this field. There have been other characters with similar practices that have come and gone. What got rid of them? Does anyone know what could be done to notify ebay of his practices in order to limit him from ebay listings? In other words what department/ email address would one write? I don't want to see another questionable meteorite sold to some unsuspecting soul thinking they got something that is not represented. Jay - Original Message - From: "McCartney Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 2:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Bob Evans Lawsuit Yes, there was a lawsuit against Bob Evans brought by me. It was in regards to a trade that was partially done, where I sent material and only received a partial trade, then Evans went quiet. No contact for many months. Eventually, I posted about it and received many replies that he has done this before. His modus operandi is usually to go quiet and not communicate. Which is what he's doing now. He did not show in court, I received a default judgment by the judge. Evans did not appeal and a judgment was issued. I spent the money to have the judgment filed in Illinois and a lien filed against his house. At this time he can not purchase or sell, or inherit real property until the judgment is paid. It is collecting 8% interest at this time. If I recall my contract law correctly, selling NWA junk as Zulu Queen would be 'Misrepresentation' as well as Unjust Enrichment. Selling Zulu Queen that he didn't know was NWA junk is simply 'Mutual Misunderstanding'. Good luck in proving he had prior knowledge it was NWA junk. This is a small sandbox we play in. Play nice. -mt Original Message From: AL Mitterling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:36 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Greetings List Members, On June 24th 2004 there were some claims made against the person in question. Apparently there was a lawsuit against this seller. I have stayed clear of him ever since, though I never dealt with him. I suggest people look up the archives and do their own reading and decide for themselves. It may be the issue was resolved but I guess my feeling is how it got to that point in the first place. Best! --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ?
Martin -- the problem they are all referring to is the questionable practices of Bob Evans. I believe he has sold 5-6 different meteorites (that we know of) --that might be imposters--those being-- Zulu Queen---he stated he procured it from UCLA---on contact they denied this. It is all in IOM and Schwade Bialystok Plymouth Claretin Andover--he won't even say where he got it. Almost all in USNM and Jim and me. He does not have the pull to do exchanges with most major institutions. Ensisheim Think of all the collectors who received Ensisheim on ebay from him and it is really most likely St. Severin. Either that or he has uncovered another stone!!! There needs to be action done against this guy. He never responded to my inquiries on where he came up with these. And yet he has the nerve to bring up other suspected scammers on ebay. I hate hypocrites. I hate scammers. My vote is to ostracize him until he comes clean. Kick him off the list. Get a website entitled " Suspicious Meteorites Sold By Bob Evans AKA Maccers..." . Encourage all who have bought specimens from him to take him up on his offer and ask for their money back. Since my email to the list several weeks ago which Bob never replied either publicly or privately I have had quite a few listers write with stories of his shady business practices. One lister in fact stated he has a 5K judgemnt against Bob. All these complaints need to be brought out in public and perhaps the Illinois Attorney General notiified. Too many times scam artists of which he appears to be can continue to prosper due to everyone remaining silent. I look forward to other input. I know my stance is quite intense but there is quite a bit at stake for my collection as well as this field. I think the lister who felt IMCA needs to get involved is right on as well. I look forward to their input/comments. Best, Jay - Original Message - From: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ? Hi too, some thoughts... Of course it would be desirable if a cut of a meteorite could be tracked and would be documented without gap back to the very day, when the chunk in space desired to fall on Earth. But I think with old falls that wish will always stay illusory. In my eyes most attempts to track back a specimen to get a 100% certainty will lead in the utmost cases only to shift the problem back in time. Indeed labels of a large and famous museum is regarded as untouchable regalia of absolute authenticity, but if we are strict: We know that the large collections were built, aside from trades with other institutions, mainly by purchase and donations from private parties - and here we are laid back to the same problem. Especially if we keep in mind, that that happened in those times, where no Meteoritical Society existed to care for a record of the tkws and collected specimens, and in times, where the possibilities of analyses were not these of today. (And of course not different from today - in 19th centry in the focus of science whas the research on the properties of the material itself and not its provenience). If you check, you'll find many locales haunting the Catalougue, were the original provenience is lost and where the location of their initial find are collections of museums and universities! Where did the famous Lafayette stem from? Slagheck's iron... and so on. And today, I'm very sure, there are slumbering especially in smaller universities, as meteorites are (still today) an exotic fringe of classic mineralogy, remarkable amounts of known historic falls. Orphans, having left only a label hanging around the neck like lost pieces of luggage in the London airport. Nobody can't remember, wherefrom and when they were acquired, those who did it, long passed away Of course it's commendable, that MetSoc or MetBase tried to capture the tkws as complete as possible - but it's only an attempt, it always has to be incomplete and the figures of kgs and grams aren't carved in stone. In fact those figures there are based only on collection catalogues and or publications of meteorite scientists. So regarding the historical finds they will be always deficient. I mean you see it in these cases, which might be in your opinion not that tragic - with the mass irons like Gibeon, Sikhote-Alin, Canyon and so on, Where you still today will find the old estimations of Nininger, Krinov and so on - although really everyone knows, that many tons more were recovered. But also with modern falls - just take Chiang Khan, which we recently had here - the Catalogue is unnecessarily improper. I mean it's no secret that the geological survey of Thailand immediately found a few days after the fall a big chunk, which is in the university of Bangkok - but the MetSoc didn't noticed it, additionally the Catalogue lists a larger piece at UCLA and finally Oliver Alge's finds - he s
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Rare witnessed falls
Bob why do you poke fun of all the shady characters on ebay and then you keep listing rare specimens without giving adequate provenance details of your specimens. I have asked you concerning the last several Andover specimen auctions and am certainly suspect on some of your others--Ensisheim and Clareton comes to mind . Remember this field is only as good as the trustworthiness of its players. I trust you have a valid reason to not answer my inquiries. Certainly you can easily remember where you have acquired these beauties. I look forward to your honest reply. Jay Piatek MD - Original Message - From: "Bob Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 9:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad- Rare witnessed falls Sorry, Correct link here : http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmaccers531 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Subject: Re: Wanted to Buy : Superb Pallasite!
I currently house 46 unique pallasites in my collection. And am experienced with electrolytic derusting techniques. I must disagree with Tracy and Anne. I agree with Mike Farmer. If one has to pick only one pallasite to buy for their collection and wants to guarantee long lasting beauty one has to go with Esquel . I have over 1.5Kg of Quijingue and it certainly is more prone to rust. It is certainly more stable than some but why take even a chance if one is on a budget and Esquel exists. If you have only one bullet in your gun I would give Bob Haag a call and customize a slice at the best price amigos. I think we need to give better advice to newbies rather than continually try and market what is on our sales list. Jay Piatek MD __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
