Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Comet Holmes Swallows a Star
Dear Listees I checked out Comet "Bob" Holmes last night from the very clear skies of Truckee, California (1,800m; 6,000') with a decent pair of binocs. Mirfak was touching the east side of the comet. A very impressive (spectacular??) sight and you don't need a telescope. Dave Jerry wrote: check this out. unfortunately for me it's clouded over tonight Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:10 PM Subject: Comet Holmes Swallows a Star Hi, This is Dr. Tony Phillips calling with an alert about Comet Holmes. It's Monday, Nov. 19th. This a message for people with backyard telescopes. Tonight, Comet 17P/Holmes will swallow a star! Not really, but the comet will pass directly in front of the star--named Mirfak, the brightest star of the constellation Perseus. The overall effect will be that of a giant cosmic jellyfish swallowing a phosphorescent treat. You can see it happen through even a small backyard telescope. The stellar "meal" will continue for the next few nights, so if you miss it tonight, try again tomorrow. SKY MAP: http://spaceweather.com/images2007/15nov07/skymap_north_holmes.gif PHOTO GALLERY: http://spaceweather.com/comets/gallery_holmes_page18.htm __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cali, Colombia meteorite tidbit
Alex At nearly 2,000 Colombian pesos to the weak US dollar, it still comes out to about $US250 to $US1,250, a fair chunk of change my two Colombian cents worth Dave Alexander Seidel wrote: My Spanish is poor (3 yrs at school, but then again this is more than 35 yrs ago!), so I tried an Altavista Babelfish translation from Spanish to English, and got an idea of what the Colombian newspapers wrote this and the other day. Thank you, Mike, for the messages, and have a good and safe trip home with your companion Robert Ward. I bet your families will be more than glad to see you back home again! "que oscila entre $500.000 y $2.500.000 cada una." Is this a hint to what any later commercial offers might be..?? :-) Well, just kidding. Welcome home, as you read this - you may be on a plane right now at this moment, Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht Datum: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 04:17:45 -0700 (PDT) Von: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Cali, Colombia meteorite tidbit I am up now at 5 am, preparing to leave Colombia in a couple of hours, typing with my broken glasses on, so forgive any typos please, it is hard for me to see this morning. My glasses I use when my contacts are out got stepped on in Sweden and I never did get time enough at home to repair them. I should make it home tonight if I can make tight airline connections, as I changed my ticket, and so I would expect tomorrow to being having photos uploaded and a page began. I have hundreds of photos and maps to try and deal with, so bear with me on that one. As of now, 22 days after the fall, there are only 7 stones found. I do not expect much more if any to be found, as the streets (like in Park Forest) would be pretty much the only places suitable for hunting. We did that for hours yesterday and unfortunately due to torrential rains and spotty street sweeping, most are already lost to the sewers. When it rains in the jungle, let me tell you, it pours! The total weight recovered is barely 300-350 grams. I know that there are likely many kilos on the ground, but when I post the maps, you will understand that it is all in the canefields and garbage dump. And considering that terrain, absolutely impossible to hunt, and the danger to life and limb there, forget it. I think some more might be found in the streets, but that chance dwindles by the hour as rain and cleaning dump them all in the sewer, and that area that is populated is where the strewnfield began, so only small stones there. Here is a list of stones with estimated weights (I left in such a rush that I forgot my scales, but then again, in the drug capital of the world, scales might be viewed as something of interest for the customs agents). Cali 001 ~80 grams, roof smasher, sold to a Spanish scientist. Cali 002 ~40-50 grams, roof smasher, I have the main mass and the metal roof which Robert and I cut out. Much of the stone was lost as police took some fragments and no report, and one week of attempts to locate that material were in vain. Cali 003 ~40 grams, complete stone, ~99 % crusted. Roof smasher and fridge denter, now owned by Robert Ward. Cali 004 ~120 grams, roof smasher, ~70% complete, some frags missing from impact with roof and top of cement wall. I own this one and some of the damaged tile material. The hole was large and the tile panel over 1 meter long. We were attempting to get it last night, but absolutely impossibe to get within 5 miles of that neighborhood at night and it did not work out. Cali 005 ~12 grams, 90% complete stone, found in street a few days after the fall. Cali 006 ~6 grams, fusion crusted fragment, found very close to Cali 0005 in the street gutter, same day as that stone. Cali 007, complete stone, ~85% crusted with chips from being run over by cars and some slight oxidation from rainfall. Found 8 days after the fall in another street. Robert and I bought this one last night, for the highest price I have ever paid for a chondrite. Astronomical like the Astronomy Clum member who found it. But well worth it. That is it folks, we were hoping that the publicity would bring others forward, and thankfully it did, that is how I got the Cali 004 stone yesterday, they saw offers of cash and finally spoke up. After 8 days of non-stop tv, radio and newspaper interviews, I think that even that time is passing. Anyone who had a stone should have already tried to sell it. Of course calls and emails came pouring in but for junk and pieces which amazingly fell the same day in FARC strongholds hundreds of miles from Cali. More later, but I have a flight to catch, this should tide you over for a day right? This morning's newspaper. http://www.elpais.com.co/HOY/REG/meterin.html Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Shawnee tradition, hermeneutic condition
That first sentence (if it is, in fact, a sentence) is definitely the longest (albeit obfuscatory) I've "read" all month. Hohohoba Thaddeus Besedin wrote: The Shawnee and others are the ONLY sources of Pleistocene cultural information, possibly preserved in accounts of the cosmogony of late-coming Paleoindian populations (as also can be expected of the mythopoesis of indigenous Northern Asian populations, e.g. early Jomon Proto-Ainu people(~16,000 BP - ~2,450 BP), certainly surviving relatively intact through the cold snap of the Younger Dryas, although not necessarily witnessing an impact - unless by hemispheric diffuse supernova ejecta), that a study, constrained entirely to an output of speculative-associative quasi-syntheses with all caveats understood, can draw from. Unverifiability is not itself completely at odds with scientific practice, and correspondence of paleoclimatological reconstructions, geological evidence, and archaeological evidence can parallel mythos and, to a minimal degree, offer a possible translation of metaphorical-allegorical narrative. Thus, scholars with the aspirations of an E.P. Grondine are limited to a view of their subject from distances beyond mere time (semantic indeterminability/incommensurability apply - a transmission from crystallized indigenous accounts, to eurocentric 19th c. ethnographers to E.P.G.). Archaeolgy is much easier, but certainly mute. Just don't call Hibben a rigorous and ethical scientist. We must, to arrive at the closest degee of recorded experience, decolonialize our view of vanquished non-european cultural traditions, but what we have left (Eurocentric ethnographies)is the best that we have left. What do the current Shawnee think of the works of white ethnographers? One last thing - I found this article at the PNAS site, although another list member may have beat me to it: "Evidence for an extraterrestrial impact 12,900 years ago that contributed to the megafaunal extinctions and the Younger Dryas cooling" http://www.pnas.org/cgi/reprint/0706977104v1.pdf [full-color images, graphs, etc. in PDF format] --- "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dirk wrote: List and Ed, Continuing discussion follows EPG`s final question. "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:"... "Do you really want to stand by such a display of a lack of intelligence and sense, or do you wish to reconsider that statement?" - Yes, I stand by my statements of fact. They were no statements of fact, Dirk. You made assertions concerning Native American traditions which were both factually incorrect, as well as displayed an amazing ignorance of the field of anthropology. You compared millenium old traditions with a 175 year old forgery. And yes, you finally admitted that your facts are indeed "your" belief, thus not science. And how did you get that? My facts are one thing, my beliefs another. I gave the allegories of several Native American religions in "Man and Impact in the Americas", as well as giving their oral histories there - and mainly I gave their histories. Those are "facts" about those peoples in and of themselves. By the way, the Maya had written writing, and made contemporaneous records of events. What I "believe" is something else. I think that there are Christians who are scientists, Jews who are scientists, Moslems who are scientists, Budhists who are scientists. Can't one hold a Native American belief system and be a scientist? Or can science only practiced by atheists and English Deists? Or perhaps history and anthropology are not sciences? Belief posed as fact or science is poor scholarship, as your book and excerpts clearly display. So is misrepresenting someone else's work, and misrepresenting their use of materials. Also, lack of any primary research (nothing remotely demonstrating proof of any Holocene impact) Except for the sudden population losses and cultural discontinuities... But then displays of physical evidence are often invisible to some people. So watch the National Geographic Channel program on TV. As a final point, the day after my final warning to Darryl on Williamette, I ran into a gentleman whose uncle had bulldozed a mound. Three days later he was found dead of heart attack drooped over a toilet into which he had been vomiting "stuff that looked like s***". While that's a fact, it is only my belief that no good will come to Darryl or anyone from dealing Williamette - if he or anyone else wants to join the dataset, go on ahead. Beyond this warning, like the others, I will simply look on in "dismay". E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Busin
Re: [meteorite-list] Jim Kriegh +
Dear Listees The condolences of all of you are in part a wonderful tribute to this fine person. Those of us who were fortunate to have met and known Jim were touched by his generosity of spirit, his gentleness, and his fine company. What an honor to have known him. take care Jim Dave Larry & Twink Monrad wrote: I am printing all of the heartfelt messages that are being received on the list for his son and daughter to read, they will be truly amazed. Twink Monrad __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
