Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Two New Mesos - Auctions Ending!
Hi Adam. Curious as to the weathering grades of your two new mesos. Any information is certainly appreciated. Thanks! Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Boring list
Hi Bob, I believe the main mass that was found by Robert Wollard originally weighed 34 kilos. His website is: http://www.portalesvalleymeteorites.com/ He has a link to a 7450 gram endcut that was featured in the 2003 Third Millenium Calendar. I would think this is the main mass unless it was cut up. Cheers, Frank - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Boring list Mike, Thats right , I thought there was a larger one but couldnt remember where I seen it. How big was the one that Robert Woolard found ? Bob - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Boring list Bob, I hate to correct you, but that piece is the surviving Portales Main mass (I sold it to Jim) but the real main mass was the one Robert Woolard found. So your are correct that it is the largest surviving piece. Mike - Original Message - From: Bob Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Boring list Sometimes the list can be so boring. Heres a couple of photos for you to enjoy: The Portales main mass and a huge Camel Donga ( I appologize for the blurry pic ) Here: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/album?.dir=f827.src=ph Anybody care to share some pics? Bob E __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for May is now up.
Actually, no, anyone who knows me knows that I would not compromise my morals for money or anything else for that matter! (probably why I am broke) He was given the land for mining, there was nothing to mine, he knew it, but did not tell the government about it, he just let them give it to him. Even if he did not know, an honest man would of gave it back when he found out. Hi Tom. Does this mean you'll be giving your recent Franconia find to the Smithsonian? After all, it really belongs to the people and not you individually. Just curious, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites with craters
Hello Bob and all, Way back on April 7, Bob asked: I wonder if there have been impact craters found on any other iron meteorites? Yesterday I was browsing through Nininger's Out of the Sky and found one that I don't believe has been mentioned. On Plate XXXIV, photo 4 shows a picture of an Estherville pellet with a small, perfectly shaped crater. Nininger's caption states: One of the Estherville pellets (nickle-iron) bearing a small explosion pit. It looks identical to the small impact crater observed on Bob's Glorieta Mountain specimen and the small craters observed on several Sikhote-alin irons. For those that don't have a copy of Out of the Sky, the same individual pellet can be found among a group of Estherville pellets on page 10 of Nininger's, METEORITES A Photographic Study of Surface Features. Part 2. ORIENTATION In light of the above, I think it could be worthwhile to check out our Estherville collection nuggets for evidence of cratering and also the many small Taza irons we have. We could be pleasantly surprised. Enjoy and check your pellets! Frank Thanks to Michael for posting these images and giving us all an opportunity to see them and to discuss them. And thanks to Jeff for sharing with us his great webpage with those excellent images and the well-thought explanation. In an article I wrote 2 years ago, I attempted to explain why a similar feature that I found on an oriented Glorieta Mountain iron had to be formed during its fall. An image of that Glorieta Mountain iron with an impact crater can be seen here: http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2003/January/Bob's_Findings.htm Bob V. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: Collection sale.
Hi Mike, Received the Chiang Khan and Kendleton specimens today. Nice pieces, THANKS. Looks like I'm getting some unexpected $$$ next week so am window shopping. I'm curious if the 90 gram Mocs individual is available and how much if so. Or I'm sort of interested in a nice large display piece of a fresh fall maybe around a kilo+ in size at the best price/gram. Any candidates (excluding Gao unless it is of exceptional character)? Also you might want to look in the Catelogue of Meteorites for the Malotas, Argentina H4 fall, 1933. Shower of some thousands of stones fell... very, very litle accounted for in collections. Sounds like a place to check out next time you're on expedition ;-) Cheers and thanks again, Frank My collection sale is proceeding at a rapid clip. Many items are sold, I have hundreds more though. You may view most of the specimens at the following links. http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collection.htm New site http://www.meteoriteguy.com/collectionold.htm This one has most of the pieces on there. This is for real, I already sold some major items last night. Email me your requests, even if you don't see it I may have it. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - BENGUERIR, SHIROKOVSKY and black crusted NWA
Hey Tom, No fair using rustbucket, oops I mean photobucket to host your images ;-) Cheers, Frank If anyone find rust on my photos I will give him this specimen for 1$. Nice piece, I will be sending you a $1, I found rust, see photo! : ) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/007a.jpg Thanks, Tom __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] campos sales sale
Hello all, Recently I saw a movie called 50 First Dates an entertaining comedy based around someone with short term memory loss. Seems someone on this list also has the same affliction. Unfortunately this is not a comedy :-( From only yesterday 3/20/05 (re: the Campo Sales):: I VOW there will be no more on these or any subject regarding these stones. Sadly from today, 3/21/05 Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] campos sales sale Hi again list.I have just a few of the CAMPOS SALES pieces left forsale at $2.00 a gram.The 492 gram flow lined specimen is gone,as well as the 449 gram dark crusted piece, as well as the 107 gram piece.I thank those who bought them.I also have the 373 gram individual with 95% crust still as well as the 563 gram 2 fragmented pieces and a few more.Get now while they are hot to go.Sorry for this post,but I am happy to see them going.Chime in and take one home.The price will never be finer. Frank :-( __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Microscopic views of meteoritic minerals
Is there a website (s) that deal with identification of just what one is looking at under the microscope? Just curious as there sure is allot going on in specimens when viewed under magnifi- cation and a little mineral and formation ID would be a real help. Hello all, Marvin Killgore has a new book that should be out soon (the preprint copy was in Tucson). It's a Color Atlas of Meteorites in Thin Section. It shows thin sections of every known meteorite classification and should help us non-professionals immensely. More information can be found at: http://www.meteorite-lab.com/ Cheers, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] looking for a piece of PIGICK
Hi Norbert, I believe you could bring in and own your Calcalog Creek in Australia if you did decide to live there. You just couldn't leave with it should you decide to move back north ;-) Cheers, Frank P.S. It's Spring here in California (for the moment anyway). - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:08 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] looking for a piece of PIGICK Hi Steve, and List, Just to avoid any confusion - actually, I'm still living in Germany, and I don't intend to move to Australia that soon. Guess they wouldn't allow me to own a piece of Calcalong Creek down there ... On the other hand I guess the weather is much better on the southern half ... Best regards from freezy Gerrmany Norbert -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hello and good evening list.I emailed jeff kuyken the other day looking for a piece of PIGICK.The meteorite with a funny name.He said, that due to export laws they cannot send any.Why then are we able to buy items from norbert classen,jeff kuyken, recieve items from another austrailian family and nothing is said.Well than I guess this goes out to anybody outside of aulstralia.I am looking for a 5 to 10 gram piece of PIGICK meteorite.I'll pay handsomely for a piece.I know the TKW is only 693 grams.Please would someone email me off-list about this. thanks, steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Haag piece
Number two. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6515079945ssPageName=ADM E:B:RECO:US:3 (Dave, Looks like there's good hope that the Gunlock will come up ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Colorado Meteorite
Go for it you Colorado meteorite collectors!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6514037947indexURL=2pho toDisplayType=2#ebayphotohosting Cheers, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Blood Auction Results
Hello all, Thought I'd make a couple of observations about Michael Blood's auction. I was both a seller and a buyer. Although 137 items were listed on line, Michael actually auctioned 169 items because of last minute material brought in. As a seller I had eleven items in the auction and wrote down my estimate as to what I thought each would bring. None had a reserve. I estimated in total, they would bring in about $1000. On my individual items, I estimated correctly half of the time, estimated low about 10%, and estimated high on about 40%. Luckily, my low estimate item sold for about twice what I estimated, so overall, I made what I'd estimated. As a buyer, I was mainly interested in a single item...especially as I'd already been in Tucson for a couple of days and had already blown my budget ;-) I know that several other people attending the auction were also only interested in only one or two pieces. However, that is not to say we did not bid on other lots. I bid on probably a dozen other lots and would have been happy if I'd gotten them. However I quit my bidding on those fairly early as they were not my main focus. In general, I can supply these observations: 1. NWA items or relatively common items with a reserve generally did not sell. 2. Items that cannot be found on ebay did well. 3. Most people had already spent many $$ prior to the auction and knew that Al Lang's auction was the next day. 4. Most items sold went for less than $250. My 2 cents, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Information wanted- Hessle specimen number
Hi Martin, Mark and all, Thanks for your help and leads. Earlier today I received an email from David New regarding my Hessle collection number question. He remembered obtaining Hessle specimens (maybe even the same one?) with similar red ink back in the 1980's from a Swedish museum. Looks like my quest (and Martin's) has some direction :-) Thanks again, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Information wanted- Hessle specimen number
Hello all, Thought I'd start this Monday morning off with a little detective work. I'm trying to track the provenance of an individual of the Hessle H5 fall that is in my collection. It carries a specimen number that I'm unfamiliar with, but is different enough that it's former collection should be able to be identified. The number is written in red ink on a white paint background. The collection number is written like a fraction. In the numerator position a letter, M in my case, sits over the horizontal line. The denominator is a number-letter combination, in my case it reads: 103.P. So the specimen number reads as follows: M _ 103.P. Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steinbach, Minnesota?
Hello all, I didn't realize just how extensive the Steinbach strewnfield was ;-) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=88433item=5553013173 rd=1 Cheers, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover's Meteorite Discovery Triggers Questions
Hi Ron, Mark and all, The following is from the article Ron posted earlier today: We've seen lots of little rocks on the plains, but with this one exception -- and Bounce Rock -- we've never stopped to look at one, Squyres told SPACE.com. In April of last year, the rover studied Bounce Rock, an odd, football-sized object that Opportunity struck while bouncing to a stop inside protective airbags on landing day over a year ago. Scientists noted at the time that the rock's elemental composition was unlike anything seen on Mars before, with similarities to a meteorite tagged EETA79001 that was found in Antarctica in 1979. This article certainally triggered a question from me as noted in the subject header. Is the author of this article suggesting that Bounce rock might be a meteorite??? EETA79001 is a Basaltic Shergottite so finding a rock on Mars that that has similarities to it shouldn't seem too unusual. At first I thought the author was a bit mixed up but Mark Bostick posted the following quoted from a NASA scientist: Isn't it neat that the MER Opportunity rover found an iron meteorite on Mars. One of the MER team members with the Mossbauer spectrometer instrument works in our research group. He showed me the data and the nickel-iron is a dead ringer for kamacite and they even know the nickel concentration fairly accurately. Actually this is the second meteorite found on the mission. The first one was the rock that had identical chemical composition to EETA79001. Am I missing something here? A bit perplexed, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] shock effect?
Hello Jeff, Looks like the growth rings of an asteroidal tree. Presumably a fossilized shockwave, written in darkened silicates - Do you think that's the right reason for this structure? Any other ideas? Shock may have contributed something to the rings, but I'd suggest that the main reason may be from terrestrial weathering. Much of the ring structure appears to parallel the shape of the meteorite suggesting to me that weathering is responsible for the major part of what we are seeing, especially if, as I suspect, it was found on a now not so dry lake. My two cents, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Spots Curious Object On Mars(Meteorite?)
Hello all, I believe that it's a new Campo ;-) Curious Artifact on Mars Photographed by Opportunity. C...AM..P.O. .. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Spots Curious Object On Mars(Meteorite?) http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/mars_object_050113.html Regards, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. 932 Hanging Rock Road Boiling Springs, South Carolina 29316-7401 USA Tel: (864) 578-5188 SPACE ROCKS, INC.: http://www.geocities.com/spacerocksinc/spacerocksinc.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Troilite inclusions
Zelimer asked: Indeed, after a rapid checking through some textbooks on hand, I did not find any terrestrial occurrence for troilite. Does anyone know for some ? I believe the type locality of terrestrial troilite is located in Del Norte California (northwesternmost California). According to Minerals of California -Bulletin 189 of the California Division of Mines Geology (1966, p. 374): Troilite was found massive in a sheared zone of serpentine, in a copper claim northeast of Cresent City. It was analyzed and described by Eakle, p.77. It contains inclusions of magnetite from which it has probably been derived. This is the only known terrestrial occurrance of troilite. It has been observed previously in meteorites. I believe it has also since been found in other areas, but do not have those references at hand. Incidently, I have a 72 gram specimen of troilite from this locality: not really the most beautiful girl at the dance ;-) Kind of looks like the remains of a dead Nantan or, at best, Canyon Diablo iron shale. Hope this helps. Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 2624 pallasite-like ureilite
Hello Greg and all, Very cool looking ureilite. Haven't seen a ureilite with large olivine crystals like these. Are they phenocrysts? How common are these features in other ureilites? Any ideas how they form? The large olivine crystals appear to be the chief characteristic of this ureilite but they don't appear to be mentioned in the description to be submitted to the Nom Comm. I guess this is an oversite? At any rate, I certainly looking forward to seeing my piece in person. Cheers, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] another experiment gone wrong!!!
Tom, Under your cute etching experiment, it looks like you might have a rim specimen of Canyon Diablo. See Ron Hartman's discussion of rim specimens at the following link: http://www.meteorite1.com/master/mastermenu.htm Click on the link to Canyon Diablo (rim) Sorry about your experiment? Sincerely, Frank - Original Message - From: Tom AKA James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 3:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] another experiment gone wrong!!! Hello List, here is another etching experiment gone horribly wrong! But hey, you never know what people might like and actually buy! : ) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2294502719; rd=1 Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kainsaz curio
Hi Dave and all, Kainsaz fell in 1937, but I believe the specimens that Finmet are selling come from fairly recent finds. I also believe that some photos of the find area were posted to the list within the last couple of years, and that the area is very wooded. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's possible that what we're seeing is a weathering phenomena from it's death on earth and not inclusions. At any rate, it's a very cool looking slice. Sincerely, Frank - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Kainsaz curio Hi, I got a 12.5g slice of Kainsaz from Finmet today (and what a slice too!!!) Look at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/d.harris580/kainsaz2.jpg - any idea what these really strange inclusions are? Almost looks like enormous chondrules! Advise, per-lease!! much appreciated dave IMCA #0092 Sec. BIMS __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented Amgala individuals - follow-up
Hello All, Listed below are the results of my question about oriented Amgalas. A total of 31 oriented Amgalas were reported to me (including the 20 from Greg Hupe) and I found another 4 on a couple of websites. The weights of the magnificent few are listed below: 651.8 gram 350 gram 260 gram 94.6 gram 69.2 gram 58 gram 54.4 gram 45.6 gram 42.16 gram 33.3 gram 33.18 gram 32.5 gram 23.69 gram 20.7 gram 16.1 gram 15.6 gram 15.37 gram 14.68 gram 13.9 gram 13.9 gram 11.8 gram 11.5 gram 10.2 gram 7.6 gram 7.2 gram 6.8 gram 6.51 gram 6.5 gram 5.7 gram 5.5 gram 4.8 gram 4.4 gram 4.1 gram 2.5 gram 2.4 gram I also think I remember someone referring to about a one kilo oriented individual a few months back but I couldn't find that post. I'm sure that there are more oriented individuals out there, but I suspect that it's not a great number. Cheers, Frank - Original Message - From: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Oriented Amgala individuals Hello all, Todays Rocks From Space Picture of the Day of the oriented Amgala individual brought a question to mind. In the May 2004 issue of Meteorite magazine, Martin Horejsi wrote: While the Bensour shower was filled with wonderfully oriented individuals, Amgala was almost devoid of them with just three found to date. Since that time additional Amgala individuals obviously have been found and brought to market. As an oriented Amgala owner, I'm curious as to the approximate number that now might be out there. So, if you fellow oriented Amgala owners out there don't mind sending me their information in, I'll go ahead and tabulate the results and then report to the list. As an aside, my oriented Amgala is a 32.5 gram stone. Cheers, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oriented Amgala individuals
Hello all, Todays Rocks From Space Picture of the Day of the oriented Amgala individual brought a question to mind. In the May 2004 issue of Meteorite magazine, Martin Horejsi wrote: While the Bensour shower was filled with wonderfully oriented individuals, Amgala was almost devoid of them with just three found to date. Since that time additional Amgala individuals obviously have been found and brought to market. As an oriented Amgala owner, I'm curious as to the approximate number that now might be out there. So, if you fellow oriented Amgala owners out there don't mind sending me their information in, I'll go ahead and tabulate the results and then report to the list. As an aside, my oriented Amgala is a 32.5 gram stone. Cheers, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Geotimes articles: meteorites early life; Genesis spacecraft
Hello all, The latest copy of Geotimes has a couple of short articles that might be of interest. The first article deals with meteorite impacts on Earth and how they might have played a role early life, or how they may have impacted early life on Earth ;-) Also mentioned is how impacts might aid in the creation of organic molecules on Titan. The link is: http://www.geotimes.org/current/NN_impactorigin.html The second article deals with the Genesis spacecraft that crashed in Utah last September. The link for it is: http://www.geotimes.org/current/NN_Genesis.html Enjoy, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The misplaced Murray Meteorite
Great specimen of Rose City but I think the caption is a bit understated. It says: Rose City, Michigan, ordinary chondrite. Photo by Charles F. Lewis. At the very least it should have stated (in part): ..extraordinary, ordinary chondrite.. A very cool specimen to say the least. Thanks. Frank Below is a link to a gallery of meteorite images at Arizona State University. There is a picture of the Murray meteorite here. While you're there, take the time to look at their wonderful Rose City specimen. http://meteorites.asu.edu/gallery.htm Best, JKGwilliam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tagounite L3
Hello Al and all, Tagounite 019 that we've been discussing is officially known as Talbachat n'ait Isfoul. Wish I knew what the English translation is ;-) Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tagounite L3 Hi Bernd and all, Does anyone know the official name then of Tag 019?? I saw it once on the list but didn't record it in my record proper. Anyone?? --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trade offer
Steve, I'm a bit confused. Below you posted the following to the list: Hello list.I have a monumental trade offer to offer.I am willing to trade my 18.9 gram slice of CAT MOUNTAIN,with a signed copy from BOB HAAG,specimen card for a bunch of meteorites.It is a $2500.00 value.I always believe it is easier to make a trade, than to sell.It seems people are just not willing to part with there money.Oh well!Let me know if you want to make this trade.It will also come with a riker box also.I am looking for anything,except CAMPO and NANTANS. STEVE ARNOLD, CHICAGO However, on you website under The Showroom!! you have posted the following: Coming soon to the showroom?18.89 gram slice of CAT MOUNTAIN IMB L5 Meteorite.It is coming back home to stay forever.Oh yeah! What happened??? Inquiring minds want to know. Cheers, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?
Hello Martin and all, The Teton fireball has always interested me. I think it proves an interesting phenomena that there are fusion crusted meteoroids sailing around space somewhere. The problem is how to harvest them :-) Cheers, Frank For me, the closest meteor(ite) would be about 58km away, but straight up. The 1972 (Teton) Fireball flew over my head when I was a young kid fishing in Montana. I still remember the event vividly. Here is a link (but no pic) about the event. I got the 58km figure from this website which mentioned that the fireball's closest point to earth was over Montana (and thus me). http://www.maa.agleia.de/Comet/Other/1972.html Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Africa - No. 1 producer of planetary finds!
Hi Adam and all, Very interesting, but only correct if you call Oman a part of Africa. Two world atlas' I picked up include Oman with Asia, not Africa. So that might change your figures a bit ;-) Also, don't short change North (and South) America on the Martian finds. North America has Los Angeles and Lafayette and South America has Governador Valadares. Cheers, Frank - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 1:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Africa - No. 1 producer of planetary finds! Dear List, I was provided with some statistics I thought were very interesting. Here is an updated planetary scorecard for finds. Lunar Antarctica 14 Africa 17 Australia 1 Martian Antarctica 11 Africa 13 North America 1 It looks like the African continent has overtaken Antarctica in just a few short years. I wonder what the future holds as far as new discoveries? All the best, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Belated Happy Birthdays
Hello all, With all the birthday greeting for Monze we seem to have forgotten to wish a happy birthday to our two Martian guests, Zagami and Chassigny, who celebrated birthdays on October 3. One of a kind Chassigny is still looking great at a ripe old age of 189 and youngster Zagami reached its 42nd year visiting our planet. Hope this oversite doesn't deter other Martian guests from visiting our planet. I know the welcome mat is always out and there's a warm, dry place at my home where they can stay ;-) Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] METEORITE GIVAWAY#19/campo sales
Hello Steve, Very nice 586 gram Campos Sales specimen you have on your website (stoney meteorites page 1). I believe you provided the same one to Rocks From Space Picture of the Day last Sunday? Curious if the specimens that you are offering are from the original 23.68 kilos that were collected soon after the fall or have they been more recently collected. I'm wondering because I have a half individual from the initial collection and the crust is absolutely jet black. The image you show appears a bit brownish. I know some digital cameras dislike black for some reason and the meteorites appear brown. So I'm just curious if the TKW is higher than the 23.68 kilos, if your specimens are more weathered, or if I'm looking at a camera artifact? At any rate, it's a cool meteorite. Cheers, Frank - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 4:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] METEORITE GIVAWAY#19/campo sales Good morning list.It is a very good day.I have 3 specimens to givaway today.I just got a large half-stone of NWA 074,so my 22.5 gram slice becomes available.Also I have a small unclassified saharan.And I have a small sliced mystery.Let me know who wants them.$4.00 priority shipping gets them.Also I have 17 CAMPO SALES L5 stones left forsale.Alot of nice fragments, and only a few individuals.ALL the pieces have alot of fusion crust.Just ask bob evans,he'll tell you how nice they are.Let me know on the freebies. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] General Meteorite Interest Has Increased100%InLast Year
Hi Mark and all, Regarding the small pieces: I guess if you keep the piece small and start it on ebay at at 99 cents, but charge four dollars for shipping, you can make money even if you get one bid (excluding overseas shipping). Postage in a small padded envelop is less than a dollar which you've made up on a single bid. Even if you have a free give-away, you're making money. So who need a fall sale ;-) Cheers, Frank - Original Message - From: mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 2:51 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] General Meteorite Interest Has Increased100%InLast Year Hi, 'Supply and demand', that's what determines prices, there is a lot more material around, these days, just look at the number of people selling stuff. Having said that I have noticed that there are less and less larger specimens around, everything seems to get cut these days! Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues
Hello Adam and all, I understand what you are saying about NWA 1110, but didn't you sort of do what Bob is doing with your 334 gram paired stone of NWA 1836, the eucrite known as twisted sister? As I recall Nelson stated the yours was not NWA 1836 because NWA 1836 was a specific stone with a specific TKW. Shouldn't you have gotten a new NWA number and state that it was paired with NWA 1836? As I recall, you called it NWA 1836 thereby arbitrarily increasing the TKW of NWA 1836. So is there a double standard going on here? I bought a slice from both stones and am quite happy with them. Not trying to stir up anything but was just curious. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues Dear Bob, What you are doing is nothing short of fraud. All of the fragments that make up NWA 1110 weigh 118 grams and every piece was authenticated by Dr, Irving. Anything not pictured on this web-site link is not NWA 1110, plain and simple. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/nwa1110.html Nelson's pieces are paired to NWA 1068. NWA 1110 is also paired to NWA 1068, as well. Pairing to a pairing is ridiculous, submit your own type sample, claim the extra weight and get your own number. The set of NWA1110 pairings weigh exactly 118 grams, that's official, not a gram more. If you do not believe me ask the NomCom for the rules because it is not up to me to educate you. It is simple, send in a type specimen and have every crumb you sell looked at by a planetary scientist and I will acknowledge them by their new NWA number which will not be NWA 1110. Any dealer in the know should already know this. If you continue using NWA 1110 I will report it. This is not interference with an auction. Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues Adam, Im not sure what the pictures you provided were meant to prove, other than you like taking pictures of nomads playing in the sand. Why weren't you or Greg in the photo? Just curious The Nwa 1110 that I am selling on ebay is the same meteorite that Nelson Oakes is selling on his website. Are you calling him a fraud too? Adam, do you have a problem with healthy competition? I certainly believe you do. Is it really any mystery why Mike Farmer despises you? You certainly made many accusations against him. And of course you couldn't prove any of them. My point is .. you havent seen the meteorite that Im selling so please keep your opinions to yourself. Were you ever physically at the NWA 1110 Strewnfield ? If so please show some real proof ( not pictures of nomads in the sand ). How do you really know that you got every specimen of NWA 1110 ? Please answer these questions, because I really do want to know. Please dont interfere with my auctions again. I have never done that to you. Wishing everyone the best ! Bob Evans - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 1110 issues Dear List, It has come to my attention that some sellers are still using the NWA 1110 designation to sell there untested material. It is not a marketing ploy that I bring this up as we are nearly out of stock and we start all of our true NWA 1110 auctions out at just 99 cents. Here are the problems: We had Dr. Irving at the University of Washington authenticate every piece we have ever sold or plan to sell. All of it is recorded at 118 grams can be seen at the JPL/NASA Martian web site. Other dealers selling NWA 1110 have not gone to this expense We have only supplied one dealer from Austria with NWA 1110 and he is sold out. We paid the research and authentication costs associated with every piece of NWA 1110 We deposited a type sample (something important if want your very own NWA number) We paid the cost to go into the field, monitored the recovery efforts and recorded GPS coordinates. Habibi of Morocco has been telling dealers he supplied us with NWA 1110 and so what he is selling is the same. This is not the truth as we do not do business with Habibi and never will. If you check the images below you will see we went directly to the source and recorded GPS coordinates: http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110a.jpg http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110b.jpg http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110c.jpg http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa1110/nwa1110d.jpg To see auctions like the one I linked to below really irritates
Re: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte attracted to a magnet?
Hello Martin and all, Nice experiment. I have two specimens for your database: 1. 100% crusted individual; oriented, 7 grams, Nininger #197.hh 2. a cut, crusted fragment, 6.32 grams Neither one has the slightest attraction to a strong rare earth magnet (circular 1 dia., 1/4 thick) By the way, the above individual easily is one of the top five favorite pieces in my collection :-) (Actually today it lies at #3) Looking forward to seeing how the results of your experiment turn out. Sincerely, Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte attracted to a magnet? Hi All, I have two very nice partial individuals of Pasamonte, both with crust and Nininger numbers. However one is highly attracted to a magnet, while the other is not. Before jumping to all kinds of speculation, I would like to ask a favor of this List that really uses the power of a discussion group like this forum. Could those of you with pieces of Pasamonte (the 1933 eucrite fall) hold a strong magnet to your you piece(s) and report back as how your Pasamonte piece responded to the magnet. It might also help if you noted the rough size of the piece and the relative strength of the magnet. Thanks, and let the amateur science begin! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] contact
Sorry all about the intrusion to the list, but I've been trying to contact Steve Arnold, Chicago!! for a couple of weeks and haven't gotten any reply. So Steve, in case you've not gotten my emails, I'm trying to get hold of you. Sincerely, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Zealand meteorite
Hello Michael and all, The link is hidden in the text below the picture. A better link for the photo of the meteorite follows: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/news_national_story_skin/430438%3fformat=html It looks like a real beauty...enjoy. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Zealand meteorite Hi Marco All, Marco - I went to the URL site below and got the story, but no photo. I have two different browsers (Safari Explorer) and tried both to no avail. From Mike Farmer's reaction, my curiosity is peeked. know how I can see a photo of this stone? (Perhaps other list members are having the same problem?) Thanks, Michael on 6/12/04 2:10 AM, Marco Langbroek at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, With regard to Joel Schiffs announcement of a meteorite fall today in New Zealand: there's a link to a press report with a picture of the stone at the Asteroid/Comet Connection website: http://www.hohmanntransfer.com/mn/0406/11.htm (look in the text box below the cover illustration for the link). And it looks like it is a gorgious nose cone oriented meteorite. - Marco -- Marco Langbroek Leiden, the Netherlands 52.15896 N, 4.48884 E (WGS 84) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek weblog: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek/iss_log.html -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- It is always a simple matter to drag people along whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. This is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. - Hermann Goering -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning about Lybian Desert Glass Artifacts
Hello Nick, So what is the fanciest LDG artifact in existence? I would guess that it's the scarab in King Tutankhamen's breastplate. See this link from The Tektite Source: http://tektitesource.com/Libyan_Desert_Glass.html Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning About Libyan Desert Glass Artifacts
Hello Keith, I understand what you are saying about the Libyan Desert Glass artifacts imported (stolen) from Egypt. I would guess though that prehistoric man might have carried artifacts throughout the Sahara. So if LDG artifacts were found and sold in Libya or Morocco and exported, they would be expected to be legally obtained? Just wondering. Curiously yours, Frank - Original Message - It is obvious from the complexity of antiquities laws that the above discussion is only a lay person's interpretation that he has been told. Therefore, it should not be used to make any judgments about the legal standing of or for specific situations. It is just a warning that people who own or trade in Egyptian artifacts composed of Libyan Desert Glass might want to talk with a lawyer about their legal standing. People, who buy artifacts composed of Libyan Desert Glass might insist on obtaining a valid legal document certifying that the artifact that they are buying was legally exported to cover themselves in terms of legal liabilities. . Maybe the International Meteorite Collectors Association might want to hire a lawyer to look into this matter and publish a report on the legal status of Egyptian artifacts composed of Libyan Desert Glass. . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Montrose, CO meteor
Hello all, Thought you'd all enjoy news from the Montrose Press as it involves several list members.. http://www.montrosepress.com/articles/2004/05/25/local_news/1.txt Hopefully we'll soon be able to refer to this as the Montrose meteorite :-) Enjoy, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger to Perry letter, Sept. 29, 1950
Hello Tracy and all, All Nininger's published papers (not books) were compiled in a 778 page book, ironically titled The Published Papers of H.H. Nininger - Biology and Meteoritics. It contains 162 papers and was published by the Center for Meteorite Studies (Pub. #9), Arizona State University in June 1971. Correspondence is not included. Hope this helps, Frank - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger to Perry letter, Sept. 29, 1950 Aside from the tantalizing snippets that have been posted here, has anyone ever assembled/published an official collection of Nininger correspondence and articles? Aside from his formal publications, that is. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger to Perry letter, Sept. 29, 1950 Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 23:13:53 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously he is talking about Tambo Quemado. I would like to read the whole story that he wrote and published.. I've been going over my volume of his complete published papers and can't seem to find it. Are we sure it DID get published, or perhaps he just stated his intention to write itbut maybe he never did? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 USA (310) 913-2598 _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Geotimes - Wisconson Impact Structure
Hello all, Don't remember if this has been posted to the list or not. It's in the March 2004 issue of Geotimes. The link for the Rock Elm (western Wisconson) impact structure is: http://www.geotimes.org/current/NN_Wisccrater.html Enjoy, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trade offer
Steve, You might want to try Rob Elliott at Fernlea. He has a nice slice of Steinbach listed in that price range. And about a year ago the other Steve A.(Arkansas) was offering Steinbach. Steinbach is a very cool looking and interesting meteorite; glad I already have my own slice ;-) Good luck, Frank - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:59 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] trade offer Hello and good afternoon list.I have put together a trade I want to make for a slice of either ESQUEL or STEINBACH meteorite.It has to be at least 25 grams or bigger.Here are the items I am offering in trade: - 1.EL SAMPAL 74 gram iron slice 2.NWA 1109 3.8 gram slice eucrite 3.NWA 1650 5.1 gram slice euctite 4.ROACH DRY LAKE 013 20 GRAM FRAGMENT STONEY 5.SAU 001 10 gram individual stoney 6.NWA 1068 .07 gram fragment (MARS) SHERGOTTITE 7.NWA 3045 30.4 GRAM INDIVIDUAL -- - We have a $1000 worth of material here.All this for a slice of either esquel or steinbach.I would prefer steinbach.I will pay all shipping and insurance.Please let me know off list if interested. steve arnold, chicago, usa!!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted
Hello all, I'm a bit confused about how much of this meteorite there is, so I thought I'd take the question to the List. From the Hupe's descriptions on several pieces currently on ebay, the TKW appears to be 1059.7 grams from three stones (220.6 grams, 505.1 grams, and 334 grams). Rob Wessel, also selling a piece on ebay, lists the 505.1 stone. David Weir lists the TKW as 505.1 grams. At Michael Blood's Tucson auction, the main mass was offered, a 596.77 gram end piece.. The TKW for NWA 1836 was listed as 1101.87 grams. This piece didn't sell at Tucson but was recently listed on ebay by Puhzaz where the end piece was said to be from a single stone. So now we have at least four stones totaling about 2160 grams. I'm just wondering how many sisters are we dealing with and how many other relatives are going to show up? It's a very interesting meteorite, but I'd rather not buy and find the price drop in half tomorrow. I went through that with NWA 801 and others ;-) Any comments from those in the know would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted
Hello all, Thanks for your input. Interestingly when you add the weight submitted to the Nom. Comm. (505.1 g.) to the weight of the main mass that Nelson Oakes has (596.77 g.), you have the TKW that Nelson Oakes listed for the individual stone, or 1101.87 grams. So if my logic is correct, it looks like the TKW of NWA 1836 is 1435.87 grams and is accounted for in two stones, a 1101.97 gram stone (Oakes) and a 334 gram stone (Hupe). Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1836 Eucrite Twisted Sister Info Wanted Hello Frank, My data for the TKW (505.1 g) of NWA 1836 (Twisted Sister) is from a copy of the actual write-up that was submitted to NomCom by T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU. This mass was purchased by Nelson Oakes and can be seen on his website I believe - Meteorites-R-Us. He has been offering to sell the main mass in Tucson for a pretty hefty sum, but I'm pretty sure the price is negotiable. I am unaware of any official pairings to this one, but it's rare that there isn't. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] scavenger hunt; Tiny Mesoiderite pallasite indv.
Tom. Many small Estherville Mesosiderite nuggets are in this size range and are the only small stoney iron individuals I'm aware of. Thousands of these were collected after the fall but most are locked up in museums and collections so unfortunately, they're not cheap. Mike Farmer has a 4 gram individual on his site at: http://www.meteoriteguy.com/index This may or may not help your quest. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] scavenger hunt; Tiny Mesoiderite pallasite indv. Hello List, I am on the a scavenger hunt, I need a mesoiderite and/or pallasite individual about 3 to 5 grams. I do not know if they even come this small, I know I never heard of one. I am not looking for a rusted out skeleton of a pallasite, I need something that looks like a meteorite. Anybody have a individual this small, have you seen or heard of one this small? A mater of fact, I am looking for a lot of meteorites this size, but stones need to be between 2 and 3 grams and all need to be inexpensive unless you are willing to trade. : ) PS. Sorry if this comes up twice, for about the last month I have had to post 2 to 4 times to get one to post? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA #6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Impact articles in Geotimes
Don't know where my original post went so thought I'd resend. Sorry if you've already received it. Frank - Original Message - From: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: Impact articles in Geotimes Hello all, The January, 2004 issue of Geotimes is about IMPACTS Identifying the Structures Asteroid and Comet Collisions Leave Behind. Four articles are present in the magazine and three of them can be found online at: http://www.geotimes.org/current/ The articles are: 1. Unraveling the Chicxulub Case 2. Coring the Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater 3. The Many Faces of the Alamo Breccia 4. Impacts in Space and on Earth: An Interview with Carolyn Shoemaker. The article on Coring the Chesapeake Bay Impact Crater is not online. And, unfortunately, the smiling picture of list member, Matt Morgan, can only be found in the Alamo Breccia magazine article and not online. Matt, you really ought to complain! Enjoy, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] One very funky little Sikhote-Alin!
Hello Jeff and all, Very cool looking impact pit. It's probably real. Marvin Killgore at Southwest Meteorite has also observed these impact pits. If you go to his website at http://www.meteorite-lab.com/ and click on the science link, it will direct you to the following paper: SMALL IMPACT CRATERS ON SIKHOTE-ALIN IRON METEORITE SURFACES by M. Killgore and J.F. McHone. Enjoy, Frank - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken To: Meteorite List Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 2:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] One very funky little Sikhote-Alin! G'day List, I just received this little 33g Sikhote-Alin from Ivan. While meteorite impact pits is something that sounds normal, how about on the meteorite itself?!? It has what looks like an 'impact pit' in the surface of the meteorite. It also shows orientation or flight markings but looking at the overall shape I can't see from which direction. (2 roll-over lips!) All the details below and any comments appreciated. http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/features/funkysa.html Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au www.meteoritesaustralia.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] adams county and karval
Hello Steve and all, You might consider purchasing Matt Morgan's book on Colorado meteorites. It would be a great investment for your latest collecting direction...or even the Catelogue of Meteorites. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 7:50 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] adams county and karval Hey can any of you colorado meteorite people tell me about adams county and karval meteorites?I won the 2 on ebay and would like to know something about them. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ebay meteorite thin section
Hello all, Guess someone found a use for rusty Nantans...make a thin section from it! For those interested the link is: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2572504959category=26411 Of course, the fact that it is still a meteorite is open to debate since the pics shows light being transmitted through the thin section, and a real iron would be opaque. At any rate, it's just the gift for the meteorite collector who thought they had everything ;-) Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite
Hello all, I believe that the Chicxulub crater is buried by a couple thousand feet of Tertiary sediments so wouldn't expect to find any material in beach sands in the Chicxulub area. I think the closest area where K/T impactite material is exposed is along the Mexico/Belize border. I guess the material offered still could be of meteoritic origin but certainly is not material from the K/T boundary, or as stated, from "the Big One". My 2 cents, Frank - Original Message - From: magellon To: Dave Harris ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:56 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chicxulub Meteorite Dave, A better example is here: (more ridiculous excuses) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2200664192 I wrote Mr. Shomin and asked how he got the material. he wrote: "I took a trip to cancun, then took a car trip to Chicxulub - used a magnet for final separation fron beach sand, then did a nickel test at home. Magnification reveales more detail like shiny metal flakes metal balls from heat - most samples have native soil stuck to it, my results are open to the jugdement of others with better equipment. While i do have a 2 week return policy if any customer would complain i would refund at any time. Fair? If you can get a hold of better equipment i would be willing to send you a free sample for evaluation. Bernie M-M" I suggested (1) tell the truth to the bidders and (2) send a sample to NEMS to first verify if was meteoritic. He added the addendum but didn't send any to NEMS. (He indicated it was because he had less than a gram) Sorry, he should have done this before putting any up for sale. So there is no meteoritic verification, much less an actual Chicxulub meteorite as advertised. Secondly, Steve Schoner found this article saying that drill samplings show that the meteorite was probably a carbonaceous chondrite. Even this small sample was fossilized. There is no proof that any original meteorite still exits other than the iridium layer. http://www.nature.com/nsu/981126/981126-1.html Best, ken newton #9632 Dave Harris wrote: Hi folks, I would be grateful for a bit of input re this eBAy item below. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2200663512 What has impressed me is that there is no Frass rant, or BCC rant or Mo Yousef insistance. This is a good start for a scientific discussion as already we haven't got our backs up over this! thoughts please!!! very best dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stange Happenings in the Shop
Hello Greg, Adam and all, Looks to me like someone found an easy way to dispose of their hazardous waste. All Greg had to do to get rid of his Nitric acid was to lable it as a magic cleaning solution and sell it to unsuspecting meteorite collectors ;-) The next thing we'll have to watch out for is used motor oil being sold as a magic rust preventative. Take care, Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stange Happenings in the Shop [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The bucket started to bubble (or boil, we are not sure) and a noxious brown cloud that smelt like rotten eggs permeated our shop gagging everybody present. We were tempted to call a hazmat team but decided to deal with the problem ourselves. We didn't have gas masks so we had to reenter the shop with wet towels over our faces, put the bucket outside and open the windows. Once we felt it was safe to go near the bucket we dumped out the contents on the driveway and hosed everything down. What we found was that this stuff not only removed the calcite but also etched the meteorites from the outside and ate a large hole in the driveway. Now I don't feel quite so wussy for asking advice on how best to dispose of some nitric a couple of weeks ago.;-) Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Spotted Over Utah
OK, Good luck Dave :-) Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Spotted Over Utah This might be a bit premature, but currently I`m checking out a possible fall here in Indiana. Someone that I work with told me awhile back, that something hit his cousins or brothers garage roof who lives out in the country, but you know how that usually ends up being. I keep telling him to bring it to me so that I can check it out, but we have been really busy at work. I`m not getting my hopes up, but sure would like to see what ever it was. Tomorrow, Saturday is my one day off, so I will try to get in touch with him and see. I will post pictures if it might seem authentic. Wish me luck!!! Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds
Hello all, I think that California is still in the US (sometimes I wonder) so thought that Bruceville should be included in this thread too. Bruceville, an L6 found in Sacramento County in 1998 became California's largest stoney meteorite when it was discovered. It's an 83 kilo individual found while digging an irrigation ditch in the Sacramento delta. Needless to say, it's highly weathered( W4). Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Recent significant larger US finds Hello all, This is my last post on this. A couple corrections and additions. First off...it is Steve Schoner (not Shoner) for the 20.2 kg Glorieta Mt find. Secondly, the Spade meteorite was 8.86 kg not 8.3 kg. Thirdly...I think the four other names that I mentioned that Dirk sent us are still in classification. There are probably others like this in review and yet to be announced by the Society. And finally...after reviewing Bulletins 87(2003), 86 and 85...I came up with a few more finds of significant size from US/Canada. They are... Chuckwalla, CA Iron(IAB) 1.8 kg Found 1992 Recog. 2003? Elbert, CO LL60.6 Fell 1/11/98 Found 2000 Milton, Missouri Pallasite 2.04Found 2000 Sandy Creek, Neb L5 1.3 Found 1999 Hagersville, Ontario Iron(IAB) 30.0 Found 1999 Lost Creek, KS H3.8 4.0 Found 1916 Recog. 2001 Ghahana, OH Iron (IAB) 1.2 Found 1990 Recog. 1995 Griffith, TX Axatite6.0 Found 1985 Recog. 1999? The 86/85 bulletins also had a number of smaller US finds like the 87 bulletin. Many by list member Bob Verish. Regards, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Meteorite To Wow Crowds In England
Ron, Interesting...the photo in the story link shows an image of ALH 84001 but the story says the meteorite was found in Morocco and is owned by an American collector. Guess one meteorite looks just like any other meteorite :-) Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mars Meteorite To Wow Crowds In England http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/content_objectid= 13209556_method=full_siteid=50002_headline=-Red-planet-rock-to-wow-crowds-na me_page.html Red planet rock to wow crowds icBirmingham (Englank) July 23, 2003 A fist sized chunk of Mars rock will be flown to Birmingham next month amid tight security to give that other world feel to the city's astronomy week celebrations. The piece of Martian meteorite, insured for £25,000, is to be delivered to Soho House Museum for the Destination Mars exhibition for National Astronomy Week starting on August 23. Blasted from the Martian surface following an asteroid collision tens of thousands of years ago the rock floated in space before it got dragged by the Earth's gravity and eventually plummeted to the ground in Morocco. Now owned by an American private collector, its latest journey will see it transported across the Atlantic and delivered in an unmarked security van to the museum. The Planetary Society's Andy Lound, organiser of the exhibition, said: We're so excited to have such a large and rare piece of Mars, another world coming to our exhibition. We know it is Martian because the combination of elements and minerals can only come from there, he added. The exhibition is timed to coincide with the Mars opposition -as the planet makes its closest approach to Earth for more than 60,000 years. Astronomers the world over are pointing their telescopes towards it in eager anticipation. Meanwhile dozens of probes, rockets and satellites, including Britain's own Beagle 2, are winging their way for a historic meeting with the Red Planet. The exhibition also features models of Mars satellites, videos and displays, there will be the chance to operate a simulated Mars lander vehicle and a celebration of Mars culture, from its worship as an ancient god of war to a legendary 1930s Orson Wells radio dramatisation of War of the Worlds. Andy said: We look at all aspects of Mars, from the science and its possibilities for exploration and colonisation to its cultural impact and even modern science fiction. And despite appearances Andy, from Great Barr, will not blast off into orbit to get a closer look. Instead he will don his replica Nasa space suit to guide visitors. [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need Help, Ebay suspended my account for auction wasnt mine
Hi Ed, It's a scam. I'll bet they ask for your user name, password, bank account number, social security number, etc. It's an identify theft scam. Ebay will NEVER ask for these.I just received one of these "notices" the other day and then notified the real ebay. Check your "propeties" from the email and you'll see it's from overseas somewhere. DO NOT give them any information. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: edward moore To: Ron Baalke ; Meteorite Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Need Help, Ebay suspended my account for auction wasnt mine Hi I just recieved a letter from ebay suspending my account. For a acution that I never listed ( item # 2184414322 ). I know others had problems. What address can I sendthis email backto to see if it is a scam. Believe it was for a Brenham meteorite, according to the letter. I cant view the auction, and sorry if anyone on this list bid. Thanks for the help. Ed IMCA 6254 Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of the AMM
Hello Peter and all, Got most of the names of Nininger's meteorites, either from Find a Falling Star (FAFS) or the Catelog of Meteorites(COM). Need help and/or verification for numbers 5, 13, 15 and 21. A list follows: 1. Baxter, 1916, Stone County, MO. (COM) 2. Kilbourne, 1911, Columbia County, WI (COM) 3. Branau, 1847, Czech Republic (Bohemia , p. 102, FAFS) 4. Melrose(a), Found 1933, Curry County, New Mexico (p. 71, FAFS) 5. probably Canyon Diablo (logical guess) 6. Canyon Diablo 7. Canyon Diablo (Camp Verde piece) (p. 8, FAFS) 8. probably Plainview (1917), Hale County, TX 700kg. 9. Johnstown, 1924, Weld County, CO (COM) 10. Pena Blanca Springs, 8-1946, Brewster County, TX (COM) 11. Holbrook, Navajo County, AZ 12. Toluca (p.29, FAFS) 13. ? 14. Eaton, 1931, Colorado (p. 49-53, FAFS) 15. Toluca? Guess 16. Hugoton, Kansas (749#) and Morland, Kansas (600#) (FAFS) 17. Miami, 1937 Roberts County, TZ (p. 117, FAFS) 18. Morland, 1890, Graham County, TX (p. 113, FAFS) 19. Arispe, 1896, Sonora, Mexico (p. 163, FAFS) 20. Plainview (1917), Hale County, TX (p. 94, FAFS) 21. ??Couldn't find this but found a Covert stone covered a pickle barrel for 25 years ;-) 22. Canyon Diablo - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 4:53 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites of the AMM Hello list, in a booklet I found a leaflet of the American Meteorite Museum printed in 1946/47. Here Dr.H.H.Nininger tells his visitors what they can expect to see : Among many others - 22 famous meteorites; but he does not mention the names of these meteorites and I don't have the answers myself, so I thought it might be funny/interesting - as a kind of test/challenge for some of you - to name those meteorites. Here are the descriptions of the meteorites you could see in 1946/47 visiting the AMM: 1. A meteorite that fell through a house roof in Missouri during World War I. 2. A portion of another that fell through a barn in Wisconsin five years earlier. 3. Still another that crashed through a bedroom where two children were asleep. 4. The only gold-bearing meteorite in America. 5. Diamonds in meteorites. 6. The largest mass ever found in connection with the world's greatest meteorite crater. 7. A meteorite that was excavated in an encient ruin of the cliff-dwellers. It was found wrapped in feather cloth and enclosed in a stone cyst. 8. The world's largest known shower of stony meteorites-in Texas. 9. Stones from a shower which almost broke up a burial service near Denver, Colo., in 1924. 10. Portions of recent falls-one as late as August, 1946. 11. 2000 stones which fell near Holbrook, Arizona, in 1912. 12. An implement fashioned from a meteorite by a Mexican blacksmith. 13. An Indian axe made from a meteorite- found in a ruin in New Mexico. 14. The only known copper meteorite in the world. 15. A group of meteorite hammer-stones from Central Mexico. 16. Two of the largest stony meteorites ever discovered. 17. A meteorite that was found doing service as a deadman in a fence on a ranch in Texas. 18. Another one which did similar service in Kansas. 19. A meteorite which served as an anvil on a Mexican hacienda for 25 years. 20. A meteorite which served as a weight in a pork barrel for 23 years. 21. Another which was used on a kraut barrel for 23 years. 22. Several tons of meteorites gathered from the vicinity of the famous Arizona crater. P.S: I like # 1 to 3 (Greetings from PF ;-)) Peter Marmet, Bern __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible new Misssouri Impact site
For those of you interested in impact structures, here's a new article on the proposed Weaubleau-Osceola Impact site located in SW Missouri. http://www.geotimes.org/current/NN_missouri.html Regards, Frank
Re: [meteorite-list] Expensive?
Hello Tom and all, Right now I'd have to say that NWA 011 (40 grams TKW) is the most expensive meteorite per gram; only selling as 1 to 2 milligram specks at a rate between $40,000 to100,000/ gram. See David Weir's website for the particulars on this unusual meteorite. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Expensive? Hello List, I was wondering if anybody can answer these two questions for me? First, What is the most expensive meteorite per gram? Second, is their any other material that is worth that much per gram besides other meteorites? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Hello Mark, Adam and all, At one time Diogenites were known as Chladnites so I have to agree with Mark here, but I think Norton already beat him to it. In The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites page 153, Norton states, It seems a shame that Diogenes was selected over Chladni for the honor of having named after him these rare meteorites (referring to diogenites). As Mark suggested, I also agree that Chladni should have the honor of the even rarer Olivine Diogenite meteorites named after him. Mark wrote: Ernst Florenz Friedrich Chladni was the first person to propose meteorites and fireballs were related and the to suggest they were bodies from space, so with that in mind. I will suggest Chladnite. Incidently, Norton states that Chaldni was the first to DEMONSTRATE that meteorites came from beyond Earth's atmosphere whereas Diogenes is given credit for SUGGESTING meteorites came from space. My two cents, Frank P.S. If any one wants to purchase some Masonite, I can come up with some. Not clear yet if I should sell it by the gram or by the board-foot. ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group
Just a quick note on this earlier post. If Chladnite should be accepted by the Nom. Comm. then the Vesta meteorites could become known as the CHED group; just a few letters away from becoming a real cheesy group. ;-) - Original Message - From: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Need help naming new group Hello Mark, Adam and all, At one time Diogenites were known as Chladnites so I have to agree with Mark here, but I think Norton already beat him to it. In The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites page 153, Norton states, It seems a shame that Diogenes was selected over Chladni for the honor of having named after him these rare meteorites (referring to diogenites). As Mark suggested, I also agree that Chladni should have the honor of the even rarer Olivine Diogenite meteorites named after him. Mark wrote: Ernst Florenz Friedrich Chladni was the first person to propose meteorites and fireballs were related and the to suggest they were bodies from space, so with that in mind. I will suggest Chladnite. Incidently, Norton states that Chaldni was the first to DEMONSTRATE that meteorites came from beyond Earth's atmosphere whereas Diogenes is given credit for SUGGESTING meteorites came from space. My two cents, Frank P.S. If any one wants to purchase some Masonite, I can come up with some. Not clear yet if I should sell it by the gram or by the board-foot. ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Screwball
Steven, Not that I doubt you or anything like that, but do you have any proof? Any flow lines, lipping on the backside, or any other evidence of oriented flight? ;-) (Early morning sense of humor...must be the subject line). Sorry, Frank At 09:12 PM 6/16/2003 -0600, David Freeman wrote: If one imagines any number of objects that go air borne at flight speed; either motorbikes, NASCARS, fighter jets, skydivers Actually, for skydivers - if you relax and have proper arch, you can be at terminal velocity and remain on heading, falling straight down as if in a tube. I did a bunch of this yesterday :) Steven __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another new meteorite fall!!
Hello Jim and all, Great article;-) Almost like a Where's Waldo picture. Really enjoyed it. I wonder if Rob Elliott is on to this? The paragraphs below from the article could almost be a new contest. How many errors or bits of misinformation can you find? As for the Park Forest portion of the article, I wonder who got the sewer meteorite? Inquiring minds want to know ;-) Enjoy, Frank Gareth James, a science and divinity teacher at Porthmadoc Grammar School said the meteorite probably originated in the Van Allen belt - an enormous debris field made up of comets and small moons, about a hundred million miles from Earth. Many meteors contain gold or diamonds, said Mr. Jones. They can be very, very valuable. One meteorite which was found at the North Pole contains fossilized bacteria from Mars. Astronomy experts in Cardiff said meteors that land on Earth are rare and most are very small. When you look up in the night sky and see shooting stars, those are meteorites burning up in the air. Most are only the size of a golf ball or a teacup. Only the hardest ones, made of iron and argon, survive their super-hot reentry. If you see a meteor land, don't pick it up, advises Mr. James. You can imagine how very heated they get. In a seemingly unrelated event last week in Chicago, Illinois (USA), thousands of stone meteorites pelted a wealthy suburb of the windy city. Several stones punctured buildings, and one reprtedly went straight through the street and ended up in an underground sewer. Another destroyed a toaster. Determined meteorite collectors descended upon the area where they paid up to $500 (?470) per ounce for the freshly fallen space rocks. - Original Message - From: Jim Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:10 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another new meteorite fall!! Hi list, a lot of excitement recently. thanx for all the great chicago stories. here is a news story with photos about another new fall in england. could this be related to the park forest fall? http://www.spacenews.netfirms.com/news_stories/22_4103.htm back to lurking -- thanks -- jpg -- __ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe
Hello Mike and all, Sure enough I received my Thuathe individual today and it looks great. Been spending the last half hour or so getting aquainted with it ;-) Thought I share some observations. It's about 80% covered with matte black fusion crust; very fresh looking. The remaining 20% (one side) was broken in flight and has a light covering of blackish-brown secondary fusion crust. On an edge of the broken part a small vein of metal about 5 mm long protrudes out and extending from this vein is an area about one square cm of redeposited blue-gray metal that lies on the secondary crust. As for any weathering, there is none seen on the fully crusted areas but a very little limonite staining is present on some areas where the secondary crust is present. All in all, a very very nice addition to my meteorite family. Thanks Mike! Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thuathe I think that many people should be getting their Thuathe pieces today. Let us know how you like them! Isn't is the most beautiful fall for a long time! I have updated my website with the last of my pieces, still some nice ones but more fragments. check them out if you missed the first round or want another piece. Mike Farmer http://www.meteoriteguy.com/thuathehunt.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where to get Riker Mounts?
And they double the viewing area ;-) Frank - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 2:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Where to get Riker Mounts? Peter Marmet wrote: Meteorites look quite nice in these black «Riker Mount» boxes. Don't forget, Peter, your smaller specimens look even nicer in those suspension boxes which allow easy and comfortable viewing on both sides !!! Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe
Hello Craig, From an earlier post from Mike dated 2/26/03 we have: By the way, the meteorite is pronounced (too-wa-tea), and Lesotho is pronounced (less-ooo-too). Hope this helps. Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 9:42 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pronunciation - Thuathe Since we were on this topic yesterday for Tatahouine. Anyone want to offer up a recommendation on how to pronounce Thuathe? I'd like to know how to greet them when my stones arrive. My completely uninformed guess: Too - ah' - tuh Sincerely, Craig __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Thuathe
Hi Mike and all, You sure these stones weren't salted by nomads sneaking in from the north?NOT! Seriously, great write-up and photos; really adds to the story. Appreciate you taking the time to add that part to your site for all of us to enjoy. Oh yeah, great looking meteorites too. But can't believe you'd keep the best ones for your collection ;-) You and Eric are to be commended for a job well done. Looking forward on seeing my piece in person. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thuathe Hi again, I am almost sold out of this meteorite. There are a couple pieces still listed, but other than that I only have a few fragments left. Everyone should check out Eric Olson's specimens. Mike Farmer By the way, what does everyone think about my story and photos? Have'nt seen them? Click below. http://www.meteoritehunter.com/thuathehunt.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re:Orig.[meteorite-list] Thuathe question(s); now largest main mass
Hi Joel and all, If I'm not mistaken the largest main mass of a chondrite is Jilin at 1.9 tons. A total of 4 tons of fragments fell in China on March 8, 1976. I'm familiar with this as it's my "birthday" meteorite ;-) The largest achondrite main mass is the Norton County aubrite at 2360 pounds. It fell on February 18, 1948. As these are both falls does anyone know what the largest stoney find is? Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: J. Warren To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Thuathe question(s) Dear List... I read that the main mass has been found and was enroute to someone. Any idea on its size? This also got me to wondering. We know the Iron main masses can get pretty large, but, what is the largest known main mass of a chondrite? Thanks! Joel
Fw: [meteorite-list] First report of a New Fall!
Hello all, You're correct that on the photos Adam supplied the crust doesn't look midnight black as we expect it should. However, I think this could be a result of lighting during photography or maybe weathering. I've got a couple of Bensour specimens; one is black and the other is more of a medium brownish gray so differences in the color of crusts occur too. Both of these specimens were picked up immediately after the fall before weathering could have occurred. Weathering could have happened in the last six months but I think desert winds stripping the crust off is out. Lesotho is a mountainous county surrounded by South Africa. I think the location of Lesotho also rules out nomads salting this area and calling it a new fall. My 2 cents, Frank - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First report of a New Fall! Hello Matteo and List, Matteo wrote: I have see the photo and is many strange this pieces not have a fresh crust - type Bensour or Hadeja - if is fall few months ago, is many similar to normaly NWA finds in desert. Depending on the region of the fall it would not surprize me not to see nice Bensour like crust on this meteorite. Most of the Bensour and Hadeja meteorites were picked up within days of fall, July 21, 2002 is several months and plenty of time for desert wind and sand to have stripped most of the crust off of many of the meteorites. Matteo also wrote However I have asked a piece of 10 gr. to observe better. Could you explain what you plan to do to observe it better. Since another team has made it to the strewn field I am sure we will hear more on this fall in a short time. Congradulations on the recovery to Adam and Greg Hupe. It is not often we see an H4 with a light colored matrix, as it appears in the photo. Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question - Two recovered falls / same day
Hello Adam, Christian and all, From a quick look in Meteorites from A to Z we also have, in addition to that supplied by Christian, the following: Oct. 30, 1994, there are Devri-Khera (L6), and Lohawat (Howardite), both from India. On Aug. 1, 1967, there are Niger(L6) and Niger (LL6) from, you guessed it, Niger! On Aug. 14, 1962, there are Bogou (IAB iron) from Burkina Faso and Sao Jose do Rio Preta (H4) from Brazil. Oct 20, 1951, there are Manych (LL3.4) from Russia and Yambo (H5) Congo. Sept. 21, 1949, there are Akaba (L6) Jordan and Beddgelert (H5) Wales. Sept 17, 1945, there are Atoka (L6) Oklahoma and Soroti (Anom. Iron) Uganda. Aug. 8, 1933, we have Sioux County (Eucrite) Nebraska and Repeev Khutor (IIF Iron) Russia. Aug 28, 1925, we have Ellemeet (Diogenite) Netherlands and Lanzenkirchen (L4) Austria. And on June 30, 1908, on the same day as the Tunguska explosion in Russia, we also have Kagarlyk (L6) from the Ukraine. Hope this helps. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Ing. Christian ANGER [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Question - Two recovered falls / same day Hi Adam, hi list ! I think Selakopi and Glanggang is such a possible case. They fell both on September 26, 1939. it seems that they are not paired (metBase 5.0) The meteorite catalogue 5th edition says that Selakopi that it is distinct from Glanggang and no pairing is reported. Glanggang: H5-6 brecciated Selakopi : ordinary H5 I have them both in my collection. Greetings from Austria, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.austromet.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Adam Hupe Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 8:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Question - Two recovered falls / same day Dear List Members, I have a question perhaps one of you could help me with. I am doing some research regarding a particular witnessed fall. I was wondering in the history of recovered falls if two different types ever fell on the same month day and year in two different locations? This may be a question for Anne Black or Bernd Pauli as they both have excellent data bases regarding this type of thing. I tried my Catalog of meteorites CD but it is scratched, as luck would have it. All the best, Adam Hupe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hupe's Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Hello all, Wondering if anyone who was at Michael Blood's auction can remember what the actual classifications were of the meteorites in the Hupe contest? I believe the answers were to be announced there. . Inquiring mind want to know ;-) Thanks, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Contest II
Hello Adam and all, Since you can't win unless you play the game, here are my SWAG's for the contest. Photo 1: Diogenite, polymict breccia Photo 2: Eucrite, monomict breccia Photo 3: Eucrite, polymict microbreccia (NWA 1109??) Good contest and since we're allowed only one guess, this is my final answer :-) Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Meteorite article in Geotimes
Hello all, Sent this yesterday when the list was down (for me at least). Sorry if you've already seen this. Regards. Frank - Original Message - From: fcressy To: meteorite-list Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: Meteorite article in Geotimes Hello all, Ran across a recent Geotimes article about meteorites in the Antarctic and presolar grains. Strangely enough, the article is titled, Meteorites on Ice ;-) The link is: http://www.geotimes.org/current/feature_polar.html#meteorites Enjoy, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The rarest meteorite
Hello Zelmir and all, Rare? How about Revelstoke? TKW ~1 gram; a CI1, and Canadian. Go for it STEVE A. ;-) Regards, Frank Now the question: Whoever knows if there migh be somewhere hidden (in a museum, collection, or just cited in the literature...) some even more rare meteorite, rare being based on similar criteria as above, thus combining location, tkw and type, to take just these three and simplify. Just a challange.. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology?
Hi Jeff and all, In other words, if I correctly understand this, on another moon, asteroid or airless planet, the part of a meteoroid that survives impact on another body becomes a meteorite without an intervening meteor stage; (unless of course, it may have previously grazed an atmosphere ala the Gran Teton fireball of the 1960's). And once it becomes a lithified part of the impacted body, it becomes only a xenolithic clast. Easy to understand ;-) On another note, I was wondering what, if any, differences might be expected in the fusion crusts on Martian meteorites (those found on Mars) as compared to meteorites found on Earth? Any one have any ideas? Thanks, Frank - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Appropriate terminology? Alan Rubin and I advocated calling all of these things meteorites no matter what body they were found on. Our definition was as follows, quoting from the article: A meteorite is a natural solid object that was transported by natural means from the body on which it formed to a region outside the dominant gravitational influence of that body and was later accreted by a natural body larger than itself. Our exception to this rule is: Meteorites accreting to a body lose their status as individual meteorites if the rocks into which they are incorporated subsequently become meteorites themselves. This means that a CM clast in an H chondrite that fell in Africa is not itself a meteorite... only the H chondrite is. Hadley Rille and Bench Crater ARE meteorites; however, had they been found as clasts in lunar meteorites, they would not be meteorites, and would not be given their own names by the nomenclature committee. Everybody follow this? I thought not. All of these statements are the opinion of just Alan and myself. There are no widely accepted definitions of meteorite. But since nobody else has ever tried to define the word like we did, I guess we get the last word for now. -jeff __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions On An Unclassified Saharan
Hello Jeff and all, Except for the iron staining, your photo looks very similar to NWA531, an LL4 that can be seen on Scott Brey's website. The link to that site is: http://www.planetbrey.com/ Hope this helps. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Opinions On An Unclassified Saharan Hello Jeff, Hi List, My (equally semi-educated) guess would also be: LL4. I don't think it's something like DaG 430 because it lacks the char-coal like matrix. I have a small 1.06 gram slice of NWA 806 - an LL4 (acquired from Jim Strope) and its chondrules are the same gray color although the matrix of NWA 806 is reddish. NWA 799 - an LL6 I got from Mike Farmer also shows such gray chondrules. Best regards, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor-doubtful
But Rob, It was still warm after being in the ground for three weeks!! And it made a hole as big as Hugh and we all know what a large person Hugh was. (I'm sure this is what they meant when they said it made a hugh hole). You sure this doesn't warrent a road trip to Sacramento?? Frank ;-) - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 4:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteor-doubtful Hi All, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2900909851 The story says it all. And yet someone is willing to throw $100 at it... No exact mass, no mention of being attracted to a magnet, and only one low-resolution image. But $100 was enough to meet the reserve... --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info please
Hello Andre, Cambridge Univ. Press is the publisher of the paperback edition. You can get a copy at Amazon.com for $30.00 (new) or a bit less for a used copy. I agree with Al; it's certainly worthwhile to have a copy. Hope this helps, Frank - Original Message - From: Deborah Martin To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 2:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Info please Does anyone knows who publishes Meteorites and their parent bodies ? I think the author is someone named Mc Sween (???) . Thanks Andre __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cat mountain sale
Hi Steve, On 10/7/02 you wrote: I am so gung ho for cat mountain, I'm throwing this out to all meteorite dealers, collectors, hunters, or just plain people who like meteorites. I am willing to pay $1000.00 for a 5 to 12 gram piece of cat mountain meteorite. I do not care where you live in this world. I know someone has some, some where. This , to me, is one of the most unique meteorites to fall. This is my holy grail. Now, 5 weeks later you write: This will be a one time post only. I am going to put it up for sale. My 18 gram piece of cat mountain. I have pics of it if anyone is interested. The asking price is $2800.00. That is around $160 per gram! What happened to your holy grail Inquiring minds want to know. Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite anagrams
Very good Jeff, Used some brain cells that I hadn't used in a while ;-) Especially think that AN ARID LAG is very appropriate for this (these) meteorite(s). And my O LOVE, YET NO CRUST is oriented and fully crusted, very lovely indeed. So my reply adds something to this thread I'll add the following: LIMA RICE SALAD A GOOD MORAL NAIL BAG (easy) Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite anagrams The meteorite puzzle in the latest issue of MeteoriteTimes.Com made me wonder if I could do any better. Here are a few anagrams of common meteorites (a few minus the numeric parts). Please forgive the language in some of them. Can anybody come up with any others? Jeff SAW AT FRENCH RIOT BIG ONE NASA JOB OK SHELTER EVIL ALIEN SHIT OK I DEPLETE OLD NEBULA IN A BAD COLONY RUBIN ALL MAD O, MELODIC PLACE IS A DRAG, SENOR ALIEN THERE ON MAP SHE IS MINE AN ARID LAG SOLD IN BAG ASTRAL LOVE YELP O LOVE, YET NO CRUST Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more anagrams
Plus A SANTAS GREED DAD STOLE HOME and for the obscure (Alan should get this one) JUST ANNAS CAR PIANO Frank - Original Message - From: Alan Rubin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] more anagrams Ok, I have a few, too: NO EAR MASK AIR PUNCH WORD FEATHER A GRAIL MAN RON HID CART RICE TOYS Alan Rubin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 questions
Hello all, Rob asked: So, we're all left wondering: who REALLY owns (or perhaps by now owned) the main mass of NWA 482? Just so we're clear, there are no accusations here, only questions. Anyone reading the Meteoritical Bulletins should be just as perplexed as I. --Rob The website set up by the Hupes, www.lunarrock.com, covers this. The main mass is 312 grams, is owned by the Hupes, and I believe it is still on display at the University of Washington in Seattle. Hope this helps. Incidently, several photos of the meteorite prior to cutting are displayed on the above mentioned website. A small window maybe the size of a dime is present. Certainly 250 grams was not lost. I suspect the 1278 gram figure Mark alluded to came from the sellers antique postal scale. Guess there are sellers weights and buyers weights. Either that or the broken scale Mark salvaged from the trash last year in Tucson was used ;-) Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1109 Howardite or Eucrite?
Hi David, Adam and all, That's what I think too and the point I was making. It seemed to me in Adam's past post and also in his ebay write-ups on NWA 1109 that a greater than 10% orthopyroxene for NWA 1109 was needed for it to be called a howardite. I wanted to point out that other material was present in the rock and texturally it certainly looked like a howardite to me. It seems to me that the new HED classification scheme is relying too much on laboratory analyses and forgetting the textural features. As an analogy, you might look at the famous black sand beaches of Hawaii. They're composed primarily of small rounded fragments of basalt. Using the compositional classification scheme, they could easily be classified as a polymict basalt instead of a basaltic sand if they didn't have greater than 10% other sand material ;-) The obvious textural fact that it is composed of sand grains could be forgotten. In a howardite we have a meteorite that was part of the regolith of an achondrite asteroid and to me, that is the most important fact in the classification, not its composition. Maybe instead, a classification scheme using something like diogenetic howardite, polymict howardite, etc. might really give more useful information as to what the rock actually is. Just my 2 cents. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: David Weir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1109 Howardite or Eucrite? Hello Frank and list, fcressy wrote: The rock is a howardite if it contains greater than 10% orthopyroxene and a polymict eucrite if it has less than 10%. Frank I don't believe this interpretation of the rule is correct. From what I gather, a polymict eucrite contains more than 90% eucrite components, but the remaining 10% may consist of anything else, including a small, less than 10%, component of orthopyroxene, together with a small, perhaps 5%, component of your dark material along with accessory minerals. However, given the specific composition you proposed ... hypothetically, if NWA 1109 has an orthopyroxene (diogenite) component of 8% plus another 5% of chondritic material ... then I would say it would be a howardite because it is inconsistent with the definition of a polymict eucrite or diogenite, which specifies that it must contain greater than 90% of a single component, and that would be impossible since 12% is accounted for. I would also imagine the case could arise where part of a meteorite is a howardite and part is a polymict eucrite. I would think that the additional method of distinguishing them apart, zoned versus unzoned pyroxenes in basaltic clasts, would be helpful in this case. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1109 Howardite or Eucrite?
Hello Adam and all, Your post from the other day brought to mind some questions I had about polymict eucrite/howardite classifications. You wrote the following regarding NWA 1109: It looks like NWA 1109 may turn out to be a very interesting and rare polymict eucrite with over 20 different basaltic textures (sizes) incorporated and a huge array of accessory minerals. I do not believe there is enough orthopyroxene(diogenite component) incorporated to qualify it as a Howardite. The requirement is 10%. David Weirs web site addresses this ratio in an excellent manner. I checked David Weir's website on Howardite classification (found under his Kapoeta link) and it states: The basaltic achondrite group is a complicated one to classify due to the diversity in the structural and mineralogical relationships among its members. This group is composed of brecciated and unbrecciated, monomict and polymict, eucrites, diogenites, and howardites, and has recently undergone a redefinition. The monomict subgroup containing eucrites, cumulate eucrites, and diogenites is further subdivided into brecciated and unbrecciated members. The polymict subgroup samples a compositional and textural continuum of regolith and surface breccias consisting of eucrites, cumulate eucrites, diogenites, and howardites. Those meteorites containing more than 90% of a single component are given the prefix polymict attached to their present description (e.g. polymict eucrites contain less than 10% non-eucritic material; polymict diogenites contain more than 90% orthopyroxenite or hypersthene). Those meteorites that contain less than 90% of any single component are defined as howardites. While this 10% level is still an arbitrary dividing line based simply on mineral proportions, it represents an amount of orthopyroxene that can easily be detected by X-ray diffraction techniques. An additional tool to distinguish between polymict eucrites and howardites involves pyroxenes in the basaltic clasts; within howardites they are mostly unzoned whereas in polymict eucrites they are usually zoned. Sorry about the long introduction to my question but I wanted all the information easily out there. If I understand what is happening with the new classification, is that it is based on the orthopyroxene (diogenite) component. The rock is a howardite if it contains greater than 10% orthopyroxene and a polymict eucrite if it has less than 10%. However, David also states that a howardite is a meteorite that contains less than 90% of a single component. So hypothetically, if NWA 1109 has an orthopyroxene (diogenite) component of 8% plus another 5% of chondritic material, is it a howardite or a polymict eucrite? Do we forget about the huge array of accessary minerals and other components except the orthopyroxene when the meteorite is classified because we are now relying so much on laboratory work? I ask this because I have a specimen of NWA1109 and it looks to contain at least 5% black clasts (carbonaceous or shock blackened chondrite?). It obviously once was asteroidal soil and no doubt before X-ray diffraction techniques came about, it would have been classified as a howardite. Any comments are appreciated because: Inquiring minds want to know. Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] California Meteorite Display
Hello all, especially those who reside in California, Last night I ran across to TV program on the Los Angeles public broadcasting station (PBS) titled California's Gold. It's hosted by Huell Howser and is a daily(?) half hour show about interesting places to visit in California. Last nights episode was about the California State Mining and Mineral Museum located in Mariposa, California (in the Sierra Nevada foothills near Yosemite). It is run by the California State Parks system. Most of the program was about the minerals and rocks displayed in the museum. Of interest to us is a display of meteorites including the main mass of the 128 pound (58 kilo) Ivanpah meteorite (called the San Bernardino Meteorite in the show). Also shown was the Chilkoot, Alaska iron and a large pallasite slice. I believe this meteorite display used to reside in the Ferry Building in San Francisco. If so, the display should also include a slice of the Goose Lake, CA iron and the pallasite probably is a large Brenham slice. All in all, the meteorite part was only on air for a couple of minutes but it certainly seems like a good place to visit. And if you are interested in minerals (especially the gold specimens) it's a definite must. Regards, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tafassasset classification
Hello John and all, Regarding your primative achondrite question, Norton's Encyclopedia of Meteorites has a page dedicated to the subject (P. 165). He states that primative achondrites have achondrite textures but still retain something of their chondritic composition. and that they are transitional between chondrites and achondrites. As examples of primative achondrites, he uses acapulcoites, lodranites and winonaites. Hope this helps. Frank - Original Message - From: John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tafassasset classification Hello All, Primitive is primitive!Help me to understand the differences please. Is the argument about where the line(s) should be drawn between a chondrite (that is really differentiated...like a 7) versus a primitive achondrite (that is not quite differentiated enough to be called a achondrite)? Is there really a 7 category and why? Are primitive achondrites now considered differentiated enough to be distinguished from a highly changed chondrite? small versus coarse grains in matrix? How is this line drawn? mineral makeup, level of glass, age, grain size/changes, etc. ? Lots of questions with this story. Alain would have something to say about all this. Ann Black, is there a position written from his corner? John - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Tafassasset classification Hello Bernd, Svend, Anne, and List, I discussed this subject several times with my old friend Dr. Otto, the German researcher who did the original analysis on Tafassasset (Freiburg), a stone that was originally submitted to the NomCom. as Tenere 001, a new ungrouped primitive achondrite similar to Divnoe, and the brachinites. He was more than suprised that the paired Tafassasset (Paris) has been submitted as an equilibrated CR chondrite. He gave me several reasons for his original classification of Taf- Frei as a primitive achondrite, but I can't remember them all right now (you know, I don't have a degree in mineralogy, petrology, and/ or cosmochemistry). But I remember his central argument: primitive achondrites show a more or less completely recrystallized matrix that looks entirely different from even highly equilibrated chondrites. He showed me several thin sections of various PACs, and equilibrated chondrites, and in fact, Tafassasset closely resembles other primitive achondrites, such as Divnoe, Reid 027, and Zag (b). No equilibrated chondrite has such a coarse grained matrix, which is a typical sign for recrystallization (if I got Dr. Otto right). There were other points in Dr. Otto's argumentation that convinced me of his point of view, and his view is obviously backed up by the research that Dr. Zipfel et al performed on Tafassasset, more recently. Obviously, there is some resistance to accept the fact that this nice meteorite is no extraordinary CR - something that has to do with the self importance of certain scientists that made extraordinary claims, but failed to provide extraordinary proofs. Just my two Tafs, Norbert -Original Message- Svend wrote: J. Zipfel from the MPI in Mainz says that refractory lithophiles fractionated compared to a typical CR composition is leading to a possible classification as primitive achondrite. Does anybody know about a final classification yet? Hello Anne, Svend and List, In the Abstract issue of MAPS (vol. 37-7, July 2002, p. A155), Jutta Zipfel et al. published an abstract re: Tafassasset. In the discussion part, the authors state: The figure illustrates that both samples have compositions clearly fractionated from CI and other chondrite groups. Tafassasset has AI/Mg and Mn/Mg ratios similar to other primitve achondrites, indicating incipient partial melting involving mobilization of SiO2 (+/- A1203, CaO, etc.) -, P205- and S-rich melts. Although the bulk compositions are heterogeneous, characteristic element signatures (e.g., low Zn, Mn/Mg,depletion in refractory lithophile elements) e x c l u d e a relationship to CR chondrites and support pairing of Taf-Pa and Taf-Frei*. * Taf-Pa is the Paris material - Taf-Frei the Freiburg material Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Tafassasset classification
Hi John and all, I believe that, in general, primative achondrites are no longer chondrites in that the rock has rxperienced melting and chondrules are no longer present. The rock has recrystallized and it has a crystalline texture. However, compositionally they remain the same as the parent chondrite material. So texturally they are achondrites, compositionally they are chondrites. If I remember correctly from my acapulcoite samples, a lot of metal is present between the crystals. In a regular differented achondrite, the metal has separated out as has other material and the resultant composition of the rock is significanrtly different from the parent body. As for the difference between a petrographic grade 7 and a primative achondrite, I agree that this line is fuzzy. Grade 7 chondrites should still have relict chondrules present. However, I believe that at least one acapulcoite (NWA725) also contains relict chondrules. This is my understanding of the subject. Hope it helps a bit but feel free to correct me if I'm not understanding this correctly. Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tafassasset classification Frank, I understand the description of the primitive achondrite...including the types you mention. From that statement in Nortons book, they are still chondrites...just overdone a bit. What line did they cross to be called achondrites? And how does it relate to Tafassasset being also called a CR7? John - Original Message - From: fcressy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tafassasset classification Hello John and all, Regarding your primative achondrite question, Norton's Encyclopedia of Meteorites has a page dedicated to the subject (P. 165). He states that primative achondrites have achondrite textures but still retain something of their chondritic composition. and that they are transitional between chondrites and achondrites. As examples of primative achondrites, he uses acapulcoites, lodranites and winonaites. Hope this helps. Frank - Original Message - From: John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bernd Pauli HD [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Svend Buhl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tafassasset classification Hello All, Primitive is primitive!Help me to understand the differences please. Is the argument about where the line(s) should be drawn between a chondrite (that is really differentiated...like a 7) versus a primitive achondrite (that is not quite differentiated enough to be called a achondrite)? Is there really a 7 category and why? Are primitive achondrites now considered differentiated enough to be distinguished from a highly changed chondrite? small versus coarse grains in matrix? How is this line drawn? mineral makeup, level of glass, age, grain size/changes, etc. ? Lots of questions with this story. Alain would have something to say about all this. Ann Black, is there a position written from his corner? John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Contest mystery main mass
Hello Adam and all, Adam wrote: it is an olivine diogenite. This stone consist of subequal amounts of orthopyroxene (Fs28Wo4.7 to Fs30Wo6.5, FeO/MnO = 28-32) and olivine (Fa36; FeO/MnO = 46.5), large chromite grains, minor anorthite, clinopyroxene, troilite, and Fe-metal (Ni-free). The part that caught my eye in the above description was that the metal was Ni-free. I not familiar with any meteorite where the iron portion isn't associated with nickel. Are there any others? This meteorite certainly has unique properties and it will be interesting to see the final reports. Sincerely, Lucky Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite? I have two ?
Hello George, Many people on the list should be able to help determine if you have actual meteorites so you shouldn't have to travel far as this list reaches a worldwide audience. If you'd give us an idea where you live, we could also direct you to the closest university specializing in meteoritics. Sincerely, Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite? I have two ? Greetings my name is George could somebody tell me where I could go to check and make sure my meteorites are for sure meteorites? not where I can send them to, but where I can go take them my self I would really appreciated if I could get the info thank you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] crater chains
Hello All, Rodney wrote: It is purported that Manicouagan, Rochechouart, and St Martin, which line up if the present continents are repositioned to form Pangea as it was in the Late Triassic 214 million years ago, with the addition of Red Wing Creek, and Obolon', based on the similarity of their respective ages, probably form a crater chain created by a fragmented bolide, the other pieces of which hit the Tethys sea to form craters subsequently destroyed by subduction. I haven't read this article but have an obvious question. How do the authors know if there were other fragments which hit in the Tethys sea if their subsequent craters were destroyed by subduction? Is it the fact that the preserved craters are x distance apart and other fragments should have hit in the Tethys sea if the pattern is to continue? Regards to all, Curious Frank ;-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] best multi colored chondrules?
Hello Ray and all, You probably would be very happy with either a fresh L3 or a LL3. If budget is a consideration, check out the L3's. There are several nice ones out there. One of my nicest pieces is a full ~50 gram slice of NWA 987, a fresh L3.8 (shock level 5 and weathering grade 1). It chocked full of fresh chondrules. Mike Farmer still has some pieces on his website that you can check out. Careful though, you can easily get hooked on chondrites ;-) Regards, Frank - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] best multi colored chondrules? Which meteorite out there has the best, least weathered, multi-colored chondrules? I'm talking spectacular looking. I'm not really a chondrite collector, but am looking to buy one, and want the best. Ray ___ Join the Space Program: Get FREE E-mail at http://www.space.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SALE: Extra Nice New NWA
Hello Dean, Very very nice stones; if I had any extra money that wasn't already committed I'd pick one up. I understand the trouble and effort it is to get NWA's classified, but I'd recommend that you go at least to the trouble to get a provisional number from the nom. committee for these stones and pass that number along to everyone who buys one. Then the TKW and number of stones, at least from this batch, isn't lost. And when one of your buyers does get their stone classified, everyone who bought one, benefits (and this group of rocks doesn't get classified a half dozen times). My 2 cents, Frank - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] SALE: Extra Nice New NWA I was going through my new shipment yesterday and found a bag with 41 of what are among the nicest black meteorites that you will ever see. See here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/newdarknwa.html These are really cool and just the photos are worth your while looking at my webpage even if you dont want to buy any - although be warned that you can easily fall in love with the rocks on this page which might make you want to mortgage the farm to buy one. Fortunately, as usual, my price is low. I have these priced on my website (Or will shortly anyway) for 60 cents a gram which is easily a steal. You will have a hard time in Denver or Tucson finding something this nice for double my price. But only 48 cents a gram to list members who order today. Paypal is best for payment. Cheers DEAN BESSEY For The Meteorite shop http://www.meteoriteshop.com/newdarknwa.html _ You dont have to go to NASA to get a Rock from outer space. Or even from the Planet Mars or the Moon. You just have to visit the Meteorite Shop. www.meteoriteshop.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Dean's new NWA group
Hello Rob, Bob, Dean and all, I tend to be a lumper I guess when it comes to classifications. Makes it a bit simpler for my mind to digest ;-) Although the 41 black stones that Dean is selling were shipped together and appear to be from the same find, I agree it is possible that they may not be paired, so lacking any additional data, I have no problem with different NWA numbers for each. However, if Dean can check with his Moroccan contacts and see if they were collected in the same area and not high-graded from different falls, I would tend to want to assign only a single NWA number especially if all cut ones appear visually the same. If the stones indeed are all from the same find, I don't want the fact that there were at least 41 stones in it totaling 7.7 kilograms lost. Any find or fall information that can be inferred from the NWA stones (ie TKW, number of stones, etc) is important too. If individual NWA numbers are given, this data could be lost or difficult to find again. I think that at the very least, they need to be cross referenced to each other with a note stating that they were part of a shipment from Morocco of 41 similar sized and similar looking black crusted meteorites suspected of being paired. Incidently, did you check out the size distribution of the 41 stones? Except for one stone (624 grams) all the rest fall betweem 100 and 400 grams. Where are the expected small sizes below 100 grams? If they are indeed from the same find, I suspect that Dean probably will be getting another package soon with the babies ;-) If the babies do come, say 100 more or so, do they all get individual NWA numbers? I agree 100% with Rob's assessment below. It comes back to the same old dilemma: there are currently far more meteorites than there are resources to analyze them, but the only way to be reasonable sure of pairing common meteorites (absent physical pairing) is to thin section and probe every one. A problem with no imminent solution... --Rob Regards, Frank . __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Contest #6 - FREE NWA869
Hello Mark, For contest #7 how about "What meteorite would I like a sample of and why?". Who knows, those who enter the contest might actually acquire a sample as a result of the contest ;-) My 2 cent entry, Frank - Original Message - From: Mark Bostick To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Contest #6 - FREE NWA869 Hello All, As you can guess by the titleits Meteorite Contest #6. The contest Come up with a contestideal for me...for Meteorite Contest #7. Something anyone can enter reguardless of collection size or knowledge level preferrably. I will end this contest on monday. E-mail entries to the list please. The prize... A98.8 gram NWA869 individual with some crust. Everybody who enters will at least recieve an NWA869 micromount.Free shipping to all. Thanks, Mark Bostick "The Big Collector"
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Contest #6 - FREE NWA869
Hello all, Another possible contest might be Where would you like to see the next fall occur (backyards excluded)? A wide variety of answers could occur, from serious to humorous to weird. For an example, a contestant might wish for a fall to occur at Quartzite, Arizona so he/she could collect the first Quartzite meteorite. Now that could really cause some confusion on ebay :-) Or what if a new fall were to occur in Emerald Bay, CA would you have the real Emerald meteorite? How about a new nakhlite falling in Mars, PA? And I'm sure one person might opt for Haag, Germany. I think the names are nearly limitless. Another 2 grams, Frank __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
