Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Carl Esparza via Meteorite-list]

Dennis, My experience is the same as yours . In fact because I still regularly 
search the Santa Rotas for the "Tucson Irons" I wondered what would happen if I 
ever found it. So,  I went to Game and Fish in the Federal building in Tucson 
and was told exactly what you posted. And a paid permit would be required for 
larger landscape material at  a sub-station near the hunt site but, as you 
said. You are welcome to hunt but, Nothing found can be sold. They do make that 
very clear. I did find a prospect far south of there and I think it was on 
private property or state land? 

Best Regards,
Carl
--
Love & Life

 Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list  
wrote: 
> I guess no one read my note.  Bob and Adam still say "No Hunting!"  That's 
> where
> I need help.  New Mexico's National Forest supervisor said that one can hunt, 
> as
> long as it isn't for sale.  Just leave the 50 year old or older crap alone.  
> If there is a
> clearer description of do's and don'ts in a document, please post it for all 
> to see.
> Dennis
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Dennis Miller mailto:astror...@hotmail.com>>
> Date: June 3, 2016 at 9:50:58 PM MDT
> To: 
> "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
>  
> mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
> Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Dennis miller mailto:themille...@live.com>>
> Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
> To: 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> 
> 
> Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is 
> or isn't
> 
> permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that 
> don't do this for
> 
> a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter that 
> I received from
> 
> the State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could and couldn't 
> do.  I carried a
> 
> copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 Subpart 
> 8365, "Rules
> 
> of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and 
> can't do.
> 
> They generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing 
> something,  I would
> 
> like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter was from USGA state 
> supervisor.
> 
> Thanks!  Dennis
> 
> P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a
> 
> outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our
> 
> lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: 
> secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
> mailto:jszopin...@fs.fed.us>>
> Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
> To: Dennis miller mailto:themille...@live.com>>
> Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National 
> Forest. There are some roads that are closed but I don’t recall any near 
> Glorieta.
> From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
> throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical 
> sites.  It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to 
> not remove any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers 
>  before 
> embarking on a detecting mission.
> No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following applies:
> • Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand tools 
> or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.
> • Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be sold 
> or bartered).
> For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest to 
> discuss permitting or authorization:
> • Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or mechanized 
> earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, ‘high banking’ or 
> dry washing equipment.
> • Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
> specimens for re-sale.
> • Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock.
> The following items may not be collected or removed by casual collectors:
> • Vertebrate fossils (dinosaurs bones, fish, - anything with a 
> backbone), and shark teeth.
> • Archeological resources 
>  including 
> any material remains of prehistoric or historic human life or activities, 
> which are at least 50 years old, and includes the physical site, location, or 
> context in which they are 

Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Greg Hupe via Meteorite-list]

Dennis,

While I can offer no help specifically to your inquiry here, I can suggest the 
following:

1) Keep doing the personal research you have been doing and keep asking those 
who actually go out and hunt in different terrains and localities. Your best 
bet is to print out letters from actual officials and then go out and flag down 
same in the field and personally ask them. I am seeing too much ‘Internet 
Confusion’ to be of any value. In fact, almost everything I have have seen 
regarding the subject is ill-informed and worthless.

Good luck and stay on it in the positive and enthusiastic manner you do! I look 
forward to seeing your future finds!!

Best Regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
gmh...@centurylink.net
www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site)
www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay)
http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions:
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault





From: Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list 
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2016 9:32 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

I guess no one read my note.  Bob and Adam still say "No Hunting!"  That's where
I need help.  New Mexico's National Forest supervisor said that one can hunt, as
long as it isn't for sale.  Just leave the 50 year old or older crap alone.  If 
there is a  
clearer description of do's and don'ts in a document, please post it for all to 
see.
Dennis

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:


  From: Dennis Miller 
  Date: June 3, 2016 at 9:50:58 PM MDT
  To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 

  Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest




  Sent from my iPad











From: Dennis miller 
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest 



Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is 
or isn't

permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that 
don't do this for

a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter 
that I received from

the State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could and 
couldn't do.  I carried a 

copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 
Subpart 8365, "Rules

of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and 
can't do.

They generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing 
something,  I would

like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter was from USGA state 
supervisor.

Thanks!  Dennis

P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a 

outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our

lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov






Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest 



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:


  From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
  Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
  To: Dennis miller 
  Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest


  Hello,



  Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National 
Forest. There are some roads that are closed but I don’t recall any near 
Glorieta.

  From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical sites. 
 It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to not remove 
any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers before embarking 
on a detecting mission.

  No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following 
applies:

  · Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand 
tools or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.

  · Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be 
sold or bartered). 

  For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest 
to discuss permitting or authorization:

  · Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or 
mechanized earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, ‘high 
banking’ or dry washing equipment.

  · Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
specimens for re-sale.

  · Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock. 

  The following items may not 

[meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

I guess no one read my note.  Bob and Adam still say "No Hunting!"  That's where
I need help.  New Mexico's National Forest supervisor said that one can hunt, as
long as it isn't for sale.  Just leave the 50 year old or older crap alone.  If 
there is a
clearer description of do's and don'ts in a document, please post it for all to 
see.
Dennis

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: Dennis Miller mailto:astror...@hotmail.com>>
Date: June 3, 2016 at 9:50:58 PM MDT
To: 
"meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com"
 
mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com>>
Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest



Sent from my iPad






From: Dennis miller mailto:themille...@live.com>>
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
To: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest



Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is or 
isn't

permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that don't 
do this for

a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter that I 
received from

the State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could and couldn't 
do.  I carried a

copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 Subpart 
8365, "Rules

of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and can't 
do.

They generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing something, 
 I would

like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter was from USGA state 
supervisor.

Thanks!  Dennis

P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a

outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our

lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: 
secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov



Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
mailto:jszopin...@fs.fed.us>>
Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
To: Dennis miller mailto:themille...@live.com>>
Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest

Hello,

Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National Forest. 
There are some roads that are closed but I don’t recall any near Glorieta.
>From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
>throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical 
>sites.  It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to not 
>remove any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers 
> before 
>embarking on a detecting mission.
No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following applies:
• Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand tools 
or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.
• Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be sold or 
bartered).
For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest to 
discuss permitting or authorization:
• Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or mechanized 
earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, ‘high banking’ or 
dry washing equipment.
• Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
specimens for re-sale.
• Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock.
The following items may not be collected or removed by casual collectors:
• Vertebrate fossils (dinosaurs bones, fish, - anything with a 
backbone), and shark teeth.
• Archeological resources 
 including 
any material remains of prehistoric or historic human life or activities, which 
are at least 50 years old, and includes the physical site, location, or context 
in which they are found including items such as old coins, metal implements, or 
utensils. (36 CFR 261.2)
The collection of projectile points, pottery, or any other archeological 
resource or artifact is not allowed (36 CFR 261.9 (h) without a permit. 
Projectile points include ‘arrowheads’ and any prehistoric human-modified stone.


Some forest roads do travel through private land and the owner of the land can 
lock the gate on the road at anytime. Going onto private property will need 
authorization from the land owner before you enter their land.

Hope that helped.


[Forest Service Shield]

Joshua Szopinski
Customer Service Representative

Forest Service
Santa Fe National Forest, Supervisor's Office

p: 505-438-5300
jszopin...@fs.fed.us

11 Forest Lane
Santa Fe, NM 87508
www.fs.fed.us
[USDA Logo][Forest Service 
Twitter]

[meteorite-list] Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest

[Dennis Miller via Meteorite-list]

Sent from my iPad






From: Dennis miller mailto:themille...@live.com>>
Sent: Friday, June 3, 2016 9:15 PM
To: 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Fw: Questions about the SF National Forest



Hi, Folks!  This land use gets so discombobulated that no one knows what is or 
isn't

permissible in National forests.  As for the collectors, little guys that don't 
do this for

a living, simple apply what is on the books.  This is a copy of a letter that I 
received from

State Office in Santa Fe.  It was pretty clear what I could do and couldn't.  I 
carried a

copy of this in my pocket.  I also carry a copy of Title 43 Part 8360 Subpart 
8365, "Rules

of Conduct" for Federal land, to show the unknowing ranger what I can and can't 
do.

The generally walk away saying "Have a Great day".   If I'm missing something,  
I would

like better information than I have.  Oh, the letter went to the USGA state 
supervisor.

Thanks!  Dennis

P.S. Sally Jewell, the new Secretary of Interior, from Denver, is a

outdoorsy, rock collecting, geologist.  I'm hoping she will keep our

lands open for our "Hobby".  Her e-mail is: 
secretary-jew...@ios.doi.gov



Subject: Fwd: Questions about the SF National Forest



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

From: "Szopinski, Joshua - FS" 
mailto:jszopin...@fs.fed.us>>
Date: April 21, 2016 at 8:16:22 AM MDT
To: Dennis miller mailto:themille...@live.com>>
Subject: RE: Questions about the SF National Forest

Hello,

Currently, there are no entrance restrictions on the Santa Fe National Forest. 
There are some roads that are closed but I don't recall any near Glorieta.
>From the Santa Fe National Forest website: Metal Detecting is allowed 
>throughout the forest except in significant archaeological or historical 
>sites.  It is the responsibility of the person using the metal detector to not 
>remove any item protected by law.  Please read question and answers 
> before 
>embarking on a detecting mission.
No permit or notification is required for collecting if the following applies:
* Collecting of samples is on the surface (no digging with hand tools 
or mechanized equipment).  A small sluice may be used.
* Collection is for personal use and esthetic values (cannot be sold or 
bartered).
For the following activities, please contact the Santa Fe National Forest to 
discuss permitting or authorization:
* Activity that does involve digging with hand tools or mechanized 
earth-moving equipment, including bobcats, suction dredges, 'high banking' or 
dry washing equipment.
* Commercial activities including collecting mineral or fossil 
specimens for re-sale.
* Removal of more than insignificant amounts of landscape rock.
The following items may not be collected or removed by casual collectors:
* Vertebrate fossils (dinosaurs bones, fish, - anything with a 
backbone), and shark teeth.
* Archeological resources 
 including 
any material remains of prehistoric or historic human life or activities, which 
are at least 50 years old, and includes the physical site, location, or context 
in which they are found including items such as old coins, metal implements, or 
utensils. (36 CFR 261.2)
The collection of projectile points, pottery, or any other archeological 
resource or artifact is not allowed (36 CFR 261.9 (h) without a permit. 
Projectile points include 'arrowheads' and any prehistoric human-modified stone.


Some forest roads do travel through private land and the owner of the land can 
lock the gate on the road at anytime. Going onto private property will need 
authorization from the land owner before you enter their land.

Hope that helped.


[Forest Service Shield]

Joshua Szopinski
Customer Service Representative

Forest Service
Santa Fe National Forest, Supervisor's Office

p: 505-438-5300
jszopin...@fs.fed.us

11 Forest Lane
Santa Fe, NM 87508
www.fs.fed.us
[USDA Logo][Forest Service 
Twitter][USDA 
Facebook]

Caring for the land and serving people







This electronic message contains information generated by the USDA solely for 
the intended recipients. Any unauthorized interception of this message or the 
use or disclosure of the information it contains may violate the law and 
subject the violator to civil or criminal penalties. If you believe you have 
received this message in error, please notify the sender and delete the email 
immediately.
__

Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the