[meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Anyone who owns a fire arm must be a hick or redneck. Nice one! So clear, we didn't even have to assume what you meant. It must be a terrible burden to share correspondence with them. I don't like when dealers gang up on each other, then again I do NOT read the threads when they do. A possible solution Peter is that you can click delete the ones in your inbox related to that thread. OR if you read from the website, do not click on the links that follow the post that has a topic that might potentially ruffle your feathers. This might be a mature solution. I do not want to force anything on you or take away your right to post what you want to post. Also: Next time you feel the need to announce something like this, try to model it something along the lines of this: Dear Listees I do not like the debate on guns. Bye. -Peter All I'm trying to point out is that your current style of writing makes you look like a sissy and a jerk. First you take a jab that gun owners are rednecks etc.. Then mention that you are so scared that you must be comforted by a grown woman. I seriously doubt either of those are true. What you said in text is not what you meant. The underhand message is bluntly rude. I would not want anyone to post saying I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with 'pussies'. I look forward to seeing your posts on the list, and I don't mean posts like this one. [Erik] Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:19:52 + From: p.david...@nms.ac.uk To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Peter, Ye may be scunnered by guns but you don't have to be an atterie crabbit! Your nestie natter is making a doolie of ye. Paul Swartz Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. There's probably a fair number of folks here that could be considered a hick or redneck by one definition or another. When I was a kid, I lived and went to school surrounded by miles of brush and trees. We took being called hicks and rednecks with some pride. You sound a bit elitist to me. Out of curiosity, what would it take to force you a little closer to getting off the list? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Hello Folks, Last year, in Ensisheim 2009, I had the pleasure and the honor of meeting and talking to Peter and I can assure you that he is an extremely friendly, gentle person, a true gentleman. With utmost regret would I want to see him leave the list! He doesn't need anyone's help to make his point. He only mentions Anne because she already stated quite clearly that such pictures should not be presented on this list - they have nothing to do with meteorites. What Anne (who is, as most of you know, a native of France) and Peter state is what and how most Europeans here feel about guns and weapons: they are not toys! We should also be aware of those subtle differences between British and American English. Maybe it's the different usage of certain words on both sides of the Big Pond that caused this nasty situation. I am absolutely sure Peter did not intend to attack people as individuals. His post was aimed at the light-headed way they fooled around with guns. Do not forget that it is not only adults who see these pics. It's also children who might feel like having to point a gun, maybe onlyan airgun, right at their friend's face! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Hi Bernd and List, I can vouch that Peter is an asset to the List and I would hate to see him leave because some of us Americans can't keep our childish impulses under control. I currently own one gun and have owned several, including assault weapons. I support the right to private ownership of firearms. But, I also believe that all firearms should be treated with respect and they have a proper place. My current firearm has not left it's lock box in over a year - and the last time it was removed was for a cleaning. I would be a happy man if my gun is never discharged or brandished. Again, assuming the pistol that started all of this is real, juvenile tomfoolery with guns is not only irresponsible, but it's also off-topic for this list. Unfortunately, I will catch some flak from my fellow Americans for stating this in public, but we are an arrogant bunch and we think our way is always the right way. As a whole, we have little consideration for the cultures or beliefs of others. To be sure, there are a few right-leaning List members who think that Peter just needs to drink a Coca Cola, smoke a Marlboro cigarette, drink a Starbucks coffee, and watch a mindless Hollywood 3-D movie. And then Peter will realize the errors of his ways. If not, we will declare him a terrorist and bomb Scotland. Problem solved. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 03 Feb 2010 16:56:37 UT, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello Folks, Last year, in Ensisheim 2009, I had the pleasure and the honor of meeting and talking to Peter and I can assure you that he is an extremely friendly, gentle person, a true gentleman. With utmost regret would I want to see him leave the list! He doesn't need anyone's help to make his point. He only mentions Anne because she already stated quite clearly that such pictures should not be presented on this list - they have nothing to do with meteorites. What Anne (who is, as most of you know, a native of France) and Peter state is what and how most Europeans here feel about guns and weapons: they are not toys! We should also be aware of those subtle differences between British and American English. Maybe it's the different usage of certain words on both sides of the Big Pond that caused this nasty situation. I am absolutely sure Peter did not intend to attack people as individuals. His post was aimed at the light-headed way they fooled around with guns. Do not forget that it is not only adults who see these pics. It's also children who might feel like having to point a gun, maybe onlyan airgun, right at their friend's face! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising (cease fire! - white flag)
Let's please not let this degenerate into a debate surrounding the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Lets not beat a vaca muerta. It's been pointed out that the phrase I didn't know it was loaded is a sad one which can be eliminated by safe behavior. Firearms are not toys. As a member of this forum and an NRA firearms safety instructor, the Count was duty bound to mention his concern (and was the first to show his concern). It is a serious safety issue. I hope we leave it to that, regardless of what you believe. There is no need to discuss it here any further as ONLY HURTFUL WORDS WILL FOLLOW. Let's not make it a debate between Right and Left and assume what the Right or Left think. People are diverse in their views and it's not as simple as that. Some of us in Arizona near the border live under serious threat from cross border smugglers and bandits, regardless of our political beliefs. Do not make it a debate between how many people died on what continent during select time periods. Stop with the names... The photos were innocent and for fun, but looking back they didn't treat firearms with the respect that they necessitate. Let's give the members under question the benefit of the doubt. It's highly unlikely more questionable photos will be used in the future. So let's get back to meteorites and keep your powder dry until more offensive photos are posted. If you feel the need to reply to something that someone has already written, it's easy to keep it off list (be courteous and reply in private...). Nobody should be asked OR feel that they need to leave the list. And neither side should subject the list to their private beliefs (unless they are relevant to the subject of meteoritics). Truce please! Mark Bowling Vail, AZ (TUCSON!) - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:14:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Hi Bernd and List, I can vouch that Peter is an asset to the List and I would hate to see him leave because some of us Americans can't keep our childish impulses under control. I currently own one gun and have owned several, including assault weapons. I support the right to private ownership of firearms. But, I also believe that all firearms should be treated with respect and they have a proper place. My current firearm has not left it's lock box in over a year - and the last time it was removed was for a cleaning. I would be a happy man if my gun is never discharged or brandished. Again, assuming the pistol that started all of this is real, juvenile tomfoolery with guns is not only irresponsible, but it's also off-topic for this list. Unfortunately, I will catch some flak from my fellow Americans for stating this in public, but we are an arrogant bunch and we think our way is always the right way. As a whole, we have little consideration for the cultures or beliefs of others. To be sure, there are a few right-leaning List members who think that Peter just needs to drink a Coca Cola, smoke a Marlboro cigarette, drink a Starbucks coffee, and watch a mindless Hollywood 3-D movie. And then Peter will realize the errors of his ways. If not, we will declare him a terrorist and bomb Scotland. Problem solved. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 03 Feb 2010 16:56:37 UT, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello Folks, Last year, in Ensisheim 2009, I had the pleasure and the honor of meeting and talking to Peter and I can assure you that he is an extremely friendly, gentle person, a true gentleman. With utmost regret would I want to see him leave the list! He doesn't need anyone's help to make his point. He only mentions Anne because she already stated quite clearly that such pictures should not be presented on this list - they have nothing to do with meteorites. What Anne (who is, as most of you know, a native of France) and Peter state is what and how most Europeans here feel about guns and weapons: they are not toys! We should also be aware of those subtle differences between British and American English. Maybe it's the different usage of certain words on both sides of the Big Pond that caused this nasty situation. I am absolutely sure Peter did not intend to attack people as individuals. His post was aimed at the light-headed way they fooled around with guns. Do not forget that it is not only adults who see these pics. It's also children who might feel like having to point a gun, maybe onlyan airgun, right at their friend's face! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hey Ya'll! I don't know the individuals involved on either side of this discussion. But not all gun owners are irresponsible. As I'm sure not all Scots are arrogant drunkards. (See stereotyping can go both ways!) And while I was not pleased to see the photos showing the irresponsible handling of the guns (sure, take your pics, keep them private, but to show them publicly??), I do believe in the right to bear arms! However, I was even more taken aback by Peter's statement never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks! And what is wrong with a 'hick' or 'redneck'?? As an exchange student in Germany 20 years ago, I was explaining to one of my German friends what a redneck was (I am from the American south... South Carolina!)... And I started to describe it in somewhat derogatory terms until her father walked in and past and I saw he had one of the reddest necks I've ever seen and he was a hardworking farmer... I managed to correct myself before I insulted him. I have found that many 'hicks' and 'rednecks' are in fact well educated and more tolerant than Peter shows himself to be! Clear Skies! Elizabeth warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 A true 'GRITS'... Gal Raised in the South! Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Bernd and List, I can vouch that Peter is an asset to the List and I would hate to see him leave because some of us Americans can't keep our childish impulses under control. I currently own one gun and have owned several, including assault weapons. I support the right to private ownership of firearms. But, I also believe that all firearms should be treated with respect and they have a proper place. My current firearm has not left it's lock box in over a year - and the last time it was removed was for a cleaning. I would be a happy man if my gun is never discharged or brandished. Again, assuming the pistol that started all of this is real, juvenile tomfoolery with guns is not only irresponsible, but it's also off-topic for this list. Unfortunately, I will catch some flak from my fellow Americans for stating this in public, but we are an arrogant bunch and we think our way is always the right way. As a whole, we have little consideration for the cultures or beliefs of others. To be sure, there are a few right-leaning List members who think that Peter just needs to drink a Coca Cola, smoke a Marlboro cigarette, drink a Starbucks coffee, and watch a mindless Hollywood 3-D movie. And then Peter will realize the errors of his ways. If not, we will declare him a terrorist and bomb Scotland. Problem solved. ;) Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Elizabeth, Thank you for your defense of us who live in Southern USA. I still feel a little touchy about a discussion that occurred on the list several years ago, soon after I joined, in which those of us who live in Southern USA were made fun of, and to compound it, one of those who made the most disparaging remarks works for a governmental agency and is being paid with our tax dollars! The terms hicks and rednecks do not neccessarily equate with unintelligent. Some of the best thinkers I know of have been, at times, referred to in this manner by some people from our northern states. I'm sure constitutional attorney Sam Ervin who referred to himself as just a country lawyer is one of them (he lived in a town about 30 miles from me). I think it's unfortunate that Peter used these terms to express his displeasure with the gun photos while I defend his right to show displeasure. I live in an area of NC largely settled by Scottish Highlanders and where we have the best Highland Games in the country. I would invite Peter and all of you to come this year, the second week in July. I think the photos were all in fun but in retrospect those involved probably wish they had kept them private. I will mention another term, meteorite, just to keep this legal for the list :). My best, Thomas --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu wrote: From: Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 12:44 PM Hey Ya'll! I don't know the individuals involved on either side of this discussion. But not all gun owners are irresponsible. As I'm sure not all Scots are arrogant drunkards. (See stereotyping can go both ways!) And while I was not pleased to see the photos showing the irresponsible handling of the guns (sure, take your pics, keep them private, but to show them publicly??), I do believe in the right to bear arms! However, I was even more taken aback by Peter's statement never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks! And what is wrong with a 'hick' or 'redneck'?? As an exchange student in Germany 20 years ago, I was explaining to one of my German friends what a redneck was (I am from the American south... South Carolina!)... And I started to describe it in somewhat derogatory terms until her father walked in and past and I saw he had one of the reddest necks I've ever seen and he was a hardworking farmer... I managed to correct myself before I insulted him. I have found that many 'hicks' and 'rednecks' are in fact well educated and more tolerant than Peter shows himself to be! Clear Skies! Elizabeth warne...@astro.umd.edu 301-405-6555 A true 'GRITS'... Gal Raised in the South! Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: Hi Bernd and List, I can vouch that Peter is an asset to the List and I would hate to see him leave because some of us Americans can't keep our childish impulses under control. I currently own one gun and have owned several, including assault weapons. I support the right to private ownership of firearms. But, I also believe that all firearms should be treated with respect and they have a proper place. My current firearm has not left it's lock box in over a year - and the last time it was removed was for a cleaning. I would be a happy man if my gun is never discharged or brandished. Again, assuming the pistol that started all of this is real, juvenile tomfoolery with guns is not only irresponsible, but it's also off-topic for this list. Unfortunately, I will catch some flak from my fellow Americans for stating this in public, but we are an arrogant bunch and we think our way is always the right way. As a whole, we have little consideration for the cultures or beliefs of others. To be sure, there are a few right-leaning List members who think that Peter just needs to drink a Coca Cola, smoke a Marlboro cigarette, drink a Starbucks coffee, and watch a mindless Hollywood 3-D movie. And then Peter will realize the errors of his ways. If not, we will declare him a terrorist and bomb Scotland. Problem solved. ;) Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
I also think the Pic of the Day photos were in bad taste. I also own guns but would never think of taking or posting a picture like the ones shown. Dave --- On Wed, 2/3/10, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Subject: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:56 AM Hello Folks, Last year, in Ensisheim 2009, I had the pleasure and the honor of meeting and talking to Peter and I can assure you that he is an extremely friendly, gentle person, a true gentleman. With utmost regret would I want to see him leave the list! He doesn't need anyone's help to make his point. He only mentions Anne because she already stated quite clearly that such pictures should not be presented on this list - they have nothing to do with meteorites. What Anne (who is, as most of you know, a native of France) and Peter state is what and how most Europeans here feel about guns and weapons: they are not toys! We should also be aware of those subtle differences between British and American English. Maybe it's the different usage of certain words on both sides of the Big Pond that caused this nasty situation. I am absolutely sure Peter did not intend to attack people as individuals. His post was aimed at the light-headed way they fooled around with guns. Do not forget that it is not only adults who see these pics. It's also children who might feel like having to point a gun, maybe onlyan airgun, right at their friend's face! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Matters Arising
I am not exactly sure how this discussion got brought up on a meteorite email list (well actually, I do). But it is an important one, none the less. This is my personal opinion. If you don't agree, then please done reply, because I won't be. I am not pointing fingers (or guns)... at anyone in particular. I have no problem with someone exercising their right to bear arms. I do, however, have a problem with people that decide to do so in an irresponsible, immature manner. I cannot stress enough the importance of handling a weapon (loaded or not) in the proper manner. And I don't even own a gun.. just common sense. I also believe that NOBODY should be carrying a sidearm in public without the proper training. Even here in WI, anyone can go to a firearms dealer and purchase a gun without attending any formal training whatsoever... and to that, I don't necessarily agree. Perhaps my training and personal experience has lead me to be a bit more stern regarding this topic, but I have also heard countless additional first-hand experiences from those that are involved in law enforcement and firearms certification here in Milwaukee. They are tools that can terminate life immediately. Regards, Ryan Pawelski Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote: Anyone who owns a fire arm must be a hick or redneck. Nice one! So clear, we didn't even have to assume what you meant. It must be a terrible burden to share correspondence with them. I don't like when dealers gang up on each other, then again I do NOT read the threads when they do. A possible solution Peter is that you can click delete the ones in your inbox related to that thread. OR if you read from the website, do not click on the links that follow the post that has a topic that might potentially ruffle your feathers. This might be a mature solution. I do not want to force anything on you or take away your right to post what you want to post. Also: Next time you feel the need to announce something like this, try to model it something along the lines of this: Dear Listees I do not like the debate on guns. Bye. -Peter All I'm trying to point out is that your current style of writing makes you look like a sissy and a jerk. First you take a jab that gun owners are rednecks etc.. Then mention that you are so scared that you must be comforted by a grown woman. I seriously doubt either of those are true. What you said in text is not what you meant. The underhand message is bluntly rude. I would not want anyone to post saying I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with 'pussies'. I look forward to seeing your posts on the list, and I don't mean posts like this one. [Erik] Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:19:52 + From: p.david...@nms.ac.uk To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising (cease fire! - white flag)
Hi Mark and List, Well said Mark. I apologize to my fellow Americans for the backhanded slap I delivered in my last post. I do carry a chip on my shoulder regarding the coarser elements of our society and I let that negative attitude overtake my last post. If anyone is accused of being elitist, it should be I, and not Peter. The ironic thing is, I am probably the most dirt-poor elitist you'll ever see. ;) I am sure that Geoff and Blaine did not have any ill-will in their intents, nor did Greg. They were just having a bit of sport. Nobody would question the contributions to meteoritics that these people have made, so I think we should cut them a bit of slack regarding this. But I also think this is a learning moment for the List and Americans. Just because our government's legal documents afford us the right to own firearms in this country, it does not give us license to force our views on other cultures. The Rocks from Space POD is an eye-candy pleasure that many members on the List look forward to seeing. These members are scattered around the world and not all of them share our viewpoints on firearms and their importance to our civil liberties. I hope that this episode will teach us to be a little more careful about how we choose to exhibit our love of liberty and to be more considerate of others. As an American, I think it's great that the citizenry of Tucson can own and carry firearms. I can guarantee that Tucson has a lower crime rate for it. And I certainly won't argue the security that comes from hiking the desert with a gun - considering how many drug runners and immigrant smugglers there are out there. But, if I was a foreign visitor coming to Tucson for the first time, I would be shocked and perhaps scared to see a bunch of people walking around armed to the teeth with loaded firearms in plain view and easy reach. This would be especially true given the easy availability of alcohol. Frankly, if I had a room in Tucson and I was selling meteorites out of it - I would hang a sign on the door of my room - Please, no firearms allowed in this room. I don't see the need to carry a loaded gun to a mineral show. I visit areas of Tampa regularly that are far more dangerous than any tent at the mineral show, and I don't feel the need to wear a loaded pistol on my hip. So let's show some consideration for our overseas guests who are uncomfortable around guns - they are our guests and it is our duty to be gracious and accomodating. Best regards, MikeG On 2/3/10, Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com wrote: Let's please not let this degenerate into a debate surrounding the 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Lets not beat a vaca muerta. It's been pointed out that the phrase I didn't know it was loaded is a sad one which can be eliminated by safe behavior. Firearms are not toys. As a member of this forum and an NRA firearms safety instructor, the Count was duty bound to mention his concern (and was the first to show his concern). It is a serious safety issue. I hope we leave it to that, regardless of what you believe. There is no need to discuss it here any further as ONLY HURTFUL WORDS WILL FOLLOW. Let's not make it a debate between Right and Left and assume what the Right or Left think. People are diverse in their views and it's not as simple as that. Some of us in Arizona near the border live under serious threat from cross border smugglers and bandits, regardless of our political beliefs. Do not make it a debate between how many people died on what continent during select time periods. Stop with the names... The photos were innocent and for fun, but looking back they didn't treat firearms with the respect that they necessitate. Let's give the members under question the benefit of the doubt. It's highly unlikely more questionable photos will be used in the future. So let's get back to meteorites and keep your powder dry until more offensive photos are posted. If you feel the need to reply to something that someone has already written, it's easy to keep it off list (be courteous and reply in private...). Nobody should be asked OR feel that they need to leave the list. And neither side should subject the list to their private beliefs (unless they are relevant to the subject of meteoritics). Truce please! Mark Bowling Vail, AZ (TUCSON!) - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, February 3, 2010 10:14:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Hi Bernd and List, I can vouch that Peter is an asset to the List and I would hate to see him leave because some of us Americans can't keep our childish impulses under control. I currently own one gun and have owned several, including assault weapons. I support the right to private ownership of firearms. But, I also believe that all firearms should
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Peter, although I'm a US citizen by birth, I must agree with both you and Anne on this ridiculous show of childish and sophomoric behavior, not to mention its potentially dangerous effects on some of the more simple minded types ( that may or may not be members of this list ) to copy such behavior! This sort of idiocy only goes to perpetuate the American stereotype in a negative light even more so than it may already be perceived worldwide -- not to mention it is even to the distaste of other Americans in various regions and cultures of our own country. I have a background and temperament fostered from childhood of hunting and target shooting of which I still practice shooting various types of firearms and reload ammo, etc to this day, some 40 years after my father first introduced me to guns and hunting ( although I don't much care for hunting anymore these days). With the out-of-control gun violence in this country and with both terrorists (domestically home grown, as well as form abroad) trying to destroy our country and way of life, I just don't get the humor, and bravado, in showing out with weapons of any kind -- most especially firearms like this...and especially on a list that purports to be inhabited by scientific, intellectually minded personalities and deals with a subject matter of a somewhat different nature! Last I knew this wasn't the Guns and Ammo list, or Guns Are Us, blah, blah, blah... I feel acts like these only go to heighten problems with our image worldwide, and also just make Americans more, nervous, paranoid, and divisive toward each other. All it takes is one stupid SOB to take it to the next level and then another needless tragedy manifests itself in the Good ol' US of A!!! Guns are a serious matter for serious minded people, not children wanting to play pretend grown-up, or cowboys and Indians, or cops and robbers, or whatever! Peter, please also realize that not everyone who has a hobby involving shooting, hunting, and firearms are all rednecks, or hicks -- although there are more than plenty of those around where I live to be sure. There are also many law abiding, good down-to-earth, hard working, freedom loving Americans as well that don't approve of this sort of silliness either!!! My respect and admiration to Anne and you, as well as others of a more sensible nature and discretion! Mal On 2/3/2010 4:19 AM, Peter Davidson wrote: Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Peter, although I'm a US citizen by birth, I must agree with both you and Anne on this ridiculous show of childish and sophomoric behavior, not to mention its potentially dangerous effects on some of the more simple minded types ( that may or may not be members of this list ) to copy such behavior! This sort of idiocy only goes to perpetuate the American stereotype in a negative light even more so than it may already be perceived worldwide -- not to mention it is even to the distaste of other Americans in various regions and cultures of our own country. I have a background and temperament fostered from childhood of hunting and target shooting of which I still practice shooting various types of firearms and reload ammo, etc to this day, some 40 years after my father first introduced me to guns and hunting ( although I don't much care for hunting anymore these days). With the out-of-control gun violence in this country and with both terrorists (domestically home grown, as well as form abroad) trying to destroy our country and way of life, I just don't get the humor, and bravado, in showing out with weapons of any kind -- most especially firearms like this...and especially on a list that purports to be inhabited by scientific, intellectually minded personalities and deals with a subject matter of a somewhat different nature! Last I knew this wasn't the Guns and Ammo list, or Guns Are Us, blah, blah, blah... I feel acts like these only go to heighten problems with our image worldwide, and also just make Americans more, nervous, paranoid, and divisive toward each other. All it takes is one stupid SOB to take it to the next level and then another needless tragedy manifests itself in the Good ol' US of A!!! Guns are a serious matter for serious minded people, not children wanting to play pretend grown-up, or cowboys and Indians, or cops and robbers, or whatever! Peter, please also realize that not everyone who has a hobby involving shooting, hunting, and firearms are all rednecks, or hicks -- although there are more than plenty of those around where I live to be sure. There are also many law abiding, good down-to-earth, hard working, freedom loving Americans as well that don't approve of this sort of silliness either!!! My respect and admiration to Anne and you, as well as others of a more sensible nature and discretion! Mal On 2/3/2010 4:19 AM, Peter Davidson wrote: Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
I'm not European, but I agree with Bernd and others who feel guns are not a laughing matter and should not be treated as such. Please do not include guns and meteorites in the same picture. When I think of guns, I think of death and violence. This is nothing that should be glorified, or joked about. Sincerely, Mike Fowler Chicago Hello Folks, Last year, in Ensisheim 2009, I had the pleasure and the honor of meeting and talking to Peter and I can assure you that he is an extremely friendly, gentle person, a true gentleman. With utmost regret would I want to see him leave the list! He doesn't need anyone's help to make his point. He only mentions Anne because she already stated quite clearly that such pictures should not be presented on this list - they have nothing to do with meteorites. What Anne (who is, as most of you know, a native of France) and Peter state is what and how most Europeans here feel about guns and weapons: they are not toys! We should also be aware of those subtle differences between British and American English. Maybe it's the different usage of certain words on both sides of the Big Pond that caused this nasty situation. I am absolutely sure Peter did not intend to attack people as individuals. His post was aimed at the light-headed way they fooled around with guns. Do not forget that it is not only adults who see these pics. It's also children who might feel like having to point a gun, maybe onlyan airgun, right at their friend's face! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Matters Arising(Real or Fake)
Dear List, I see people have valid points on their take on GUNS. We all come from different walks of life, we have our own experiences, and from this image it shows. As to say the image does not relate to meteorites is false for the mere fact meteorites are present in the image. Also this image is posted while The Tucson Mineral and Gem show is taking place. Take that in consideration and one might infer that this issue could take place with deals in their hotel rooms. If this images was done a few months before or after the Mineral and Gem show I would ask questions of way. But I can draw a hypotheses from the image which could suggest that meteorites are a high commodities and this situation could arise with anyone dealing with meteorite in their hotel room in Tucson. Lastly is the gun real or fake? Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Peter Davidson P.Davidson at nms.ac.uk Wed Feb 3 04:19:52 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] National History Museum in Paris presents a new meteorite, Paris Next message: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.davidson at nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. Previous message: [meteorite-list] National History Museum in Paris presents a new meteorite, Paris Next message: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Erik Fisler erikfwebb at msn.com Wed Feb 3 08:54:14 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Next message: [meteorite-list] [AD] Announcing Two New Lunar Meteorites and a New Bencubbinite Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Anyone who owns a fire arm must be a hick or redneck. Nice one! So clear, we didn't even have to assume what you meant. It must be a terrible burden to share correspondence with them. I don't like when dealers gang up on each other, then again I do NOT read the threads when they do. A possible solution Peter is that you can click delete the ones in your inbox related to that thread. OR if you read from the website, do not click on the links that follow the post that has a topic that might potentially ruffle your feathers. This might be a mature solution. I do not want to force anything on you or take away your right to post what you want to post. Also: Next time you feel the need to announce something like this, try to model it something along the lines of this: Dear Listees I do not like the debate on guns. Bye. -Peter All I'm trying to point out is that your current style of writing makes you look like a sissy and a jerk. First you take a jab that gun owners are rednecks etc.. Then mention that you are so scared that you must be comforted by a grown woman. I seriously doubt either of those are true. What you said in text is not what you meant. The underhand message is bluntly rude. I would not want anyone to post saying I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with 'pussies'. I look forward to seeing your posts on the list, and I don't mean posts like this one. [Erik] [meteorite-list] Matters Arising bernd.pauli at paulinet.de bernd.pauli at paulinet.de Wed Feb 3 11:56:37 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] The Lorton meteorite in a vacuum cleaner
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising - those rednecks !!!!!!!
Those rednecks even shoot meteorites!!! Murchison and three brothers killed by Ranger Ames: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2009/pdf/1164.pdf The Chondrite Gang vaporized in gunfight: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/2442.pdf What a gun http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/people/bios/aero/images/hffaf.gif Now, Peter, you can stay. ? ;-) Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
I am not exactly sure how this discussion got brought up on a meteorite email list (well actually, I do). But it is an important one, none the less. This is my personal opinion. If you don't agree, then please done reply, because I won't be. I am not pointing fingers (or guns)... at anyone in particular. I have no problem with someone exercising their right to bear arms. I do, however, have a problem with people that decide to do so in an irresponsible, immature manner. I cannot stress enough the importance of handling a weapon (loaded or not) in the proper manner. And I don't even own a gun.. just common sense. I also believe that NOBODY should be carrying a sidearm in public without the proper training. Even here in WI, anyone can go to a firearms dealer and purchase a gun without attending any formal training whatsoever... and to that, I don't necessarily agree. Perhaps my training and personal experience has lead me to be a bit more stern regarding this topic, but I have also heard countless additional first-hand experiences from those that are involved in law enforcement and firearms certification here in Milwaukee. They are tools that can terminate life immediately. Regards, Ryan Pawelski Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote: Anyone who owns a fire arm must be a hick or redneck. Nice one! So clear, we didn't even have to assume what you meant. It must be a terrible burden to share correspondence with them. I don't like when dealers gang up on each other, then again I do NOT read the threads when they do. A possible solution Peter is that you can click delete the ones in your inbox related to that thread. OR if you read from the website, do not click on the links that follow the post that has a topic that might potentially ruffle your feathers. This might be a mature solution. I do not want to force anything on you or take away your right to post what you want to post. Also: Next time you feel the need to announce something like this, try to model it something along the lines of this: Dear Listees I do not like the debate on guns. Bye. -Peter All I'm trying to point out is that your current style of writing makes you look like a sissy and a jerk. First you take a jab that gun owners are rednecks etc.. Then mention that you are so scared that you must be comforted by a grown woman. I seriously doubt either of those are true. What you said in text is not what you meant. The underhand message is bluntly rude. I would not want anyone to post saying I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with 'pussies'. I look forward to seeing your posts on the list, and I don't mean posts like this one. [Erik] Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:19:52 + From: p.david...@nms.ac.uk To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising
Ok everybody. That's enough with the gun talk, or how you feel about them, or your opinions regarding guns, etc. Your opinions about guns DO NOT belong on this list (even if there is a meteorite or Meteorite Men in the photo), just like other political beliefs, religious beliefs, etc don't belong on the list. If someone wants to know my opinion regarding guns, send me a private e-mail (NOT ON THE LIST). I'm sure nobody will do that because 99% of us on this list DO NOT CARE how others feel about guns. Let's just talk about meteorites. Period. Thanks! Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of fallingfus...@wi.rr.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:46 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising I am not exactly sure how this discussion got brought up on a meteorite email list (well actually, I do). But it is an important one, none the less. This is my personal opinion. If you don't agree, then please done reply, because I won't be. I am not pointing fingers (or guns)... at anyone in particular. I have no problem with someone exercising their right to bear arms. I do, however, have a problem with people that decide to do so in an irresponsible, immature manner. I cannot stress enough the importance of handling a weapon (loaded or not) in the proper manner. And I don't even own a gun.. just common sense. I also believe that NOBODY should be carrying a sidearm in public without the proper training. Even here in WI, anyone can go to a firearms dealer and purchase a gun without attending any formal training whatsoever... and to that, I don't necessarily agree. Perhaps my training and personal experience has lead me to be a bit more stern regarding this topic, but I have also heard countless additional first-hand experiences from those that are involved in law enforcement and firearms certification here in Milwaukee. They are tools that can terminate life immediately. Regards, Ryan Pawelski Erik Fisler erikfw...@msn.com wrote: Anyone who owns a fire arm must be a hick or redneck. Nice one! So clear, we didn't even have to assume what you meant. It must be a terrible burden to share correspondence with them. I don't like when dealers gang up on each other, then again I do NOT read the threads when they do. A possible solution Peter is that you can click delete the ones in your inbox related to that thread. OR if you read from the website, do not click on the links that follow the post that has a topic that might potentially ruffle your feathers. This might be a mature solution. I do not want to force anything on you or take away your right to post what you want to post. Also: Next time you feel the need to announce something like this, try to model it something along the lines of this: Dear Listees I do not like the debate on guns. Bye. -Peter All I'm trying to point out is that your current style of writing makes you look like a sissy and a jerk. First you take a jab that gun owners are rednecks etc.. Then mention that you are so scared that you must be comforted by a grown woman. I seriously doubt either of those are true. What you said in text is not what you meant. The underhand message is bluntly rude. I would not want anyone to post saying I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with 'pussies'. I look forward to seeing your posts on the list, and I don't mean posts like this one. [Erik] Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:19:52 + From: p.david...@nms.ac.uk To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from
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List; I personally liked the picture,and the fact that Blaine had enough sense to hand over the meteorite while Geoff seemed to be soiling himself is a good representation of the fear that a firearm can create,no matter who owns one or how they believe about firearms. Firearms are serious business and i am glad that the picture was only a stunt by some great meteorite dealers/hunters and an anonymous young and beautiful cowgirl type that can hold a pistol with very much authority and grace. I am glad the dealers are having a great time in tucson and hope all goes well with everyone there.Maybe they will catch the meteorite bandit before they leave. Best wishes to all list members; Herman Archer IMCA # 2770 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was just plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Reallywhat a pantload! Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE! I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun safety. I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun. It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard to tell from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had been a bright day glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said, this all has to do with a certain mindset. Period. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi List, This is the first time I have chimed in on one of these rants but here goes: The biggest mistake was not the photo! Heck, tourists love fake stage coach hold ups staged all over Arizona. They even have one in Knot's Berry Farm in California. The photo was just for fun. The mistake that flipped switches was the stereo type insult to gun owners/users. That was a Bad Post and should be apologized for! Martin joined in, prior to the slam, in a light hearted observation of the photo situation and I felt the post that started all this was a slam to him as well. I have cut and polished meteorites with Martin. During those visits we have occasionally practiced with guns. I must say that as meticulous as he is with meteorite matters he is with guns. With his Glock he is an amazing shot! ( I even suspected professional competition!) Once again, every thing is meticulous with him. Absolute safety!!! I am not typical in any way either. I like assault rifles but then again, I have hundreds and hundreds of acres to shoot them on. I do not hunt. This winter I spent more on 55 gal drums of wheat than on meteorites. We are reestablishing wild turkey in the area and for a time they need a little help. Last week hunters had a cougar up a tree with hounds on my land. I took pictures and made them let it go. (Email me for photos, I'm there with Daisy the old girl hound.) My point is some what an agreement with every one. We have cultural differences so don't condemn and stereo type a culture you are a visitor in!!! I like Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't slam German Octoberfest participants for drinking too much beer! The photo was just giving the many tourists what they want. The condescending, superior sounding email post was poison, and worse, was designed to be! Tom In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:40:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gee...@msn.com writes: I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was just plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Reallywhat a pantload! Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE! I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun safety. I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun. It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard to tell from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had been a bright day glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said, this all has to do with a certain mindset. Period. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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G'Day List Well bloody hell, a simple one liner as an aussie joke causing such an uprising is amazing. Well not exactly, with the met list, you plant a seed and a hundred run in with a watering can full of miracle grow to see who can make it grow the fastest. My comment about sidearms was the first thing that came to my mind after many visits to Arizona, either nugget shooting or meteorite hunting. I was amazed at the amount of people wearing sidearms, knowing that our privilege in Australia has been squashed just like the distribution of meteorites in Australia has been squashed. But just on the Arizona aspect, deserts are dangerous, be it wildlife or humans. I could get into a huge rant over all this, but I'm not going to waste the list's time. I would just like to apologize to all on both sides of this discussion. I feel it was all in jest and the pictures being posted of guns were all staged. I think all have the common sense to conduct themselves in a responsible manner. If you take a close look at the image with the young sheila and Geoff Notkin; it was totally staged and definitely not pointed in anyone's direction. Ahh, the way people interpret pictures and movies. So as Mark stated, a white flag. He's right, there's no reason for this. It was a little bit of fun and damn, we all need a little bit of fun these days. So to finish off, I wish everyone coming from all areas of the Earth to Arizona for the Tucson show a fun loving event, lots of bargains and many friends with good memories. Once again, for the 3rd year, I can't get there. Now if anything sucks, that does. Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of starsandsco...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:15 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising. When in Rome! Hi List, This is the first time I have chimed in on one of these rants but here goes: The biggest mistake was not the photo! Heck, tourists love fake stage coach hold ups staged all over Arizona. They even have one in Knot's Berry Farm in California. The photo was just for fun. The mistake that flipped switches was the stereo type insult to gun owners/users. That was a Bad Post and should be apologized for! Martin joined in, prior to the slam, in a light hearted observation of the photo situation and I felt the post that started all this was a slam to him as well. I have cut and polished meteorites with Martin. During those visits we have occasionally practiced with guns. I must say that as meticulous as he is with meteorite matters he is with guns. With his Glock he is an amazing shot! ( I even suspected professional competition!) Once again, every thing is meticulous with him. Absolute safety!!! I am not typical in any way either. I like assault rifles but then again, I have hundreds and hundreds of acres to shoot them on. I do not hunt. This winter I spent more on 55 gal drums of wheat than on meteorites. We are reestablishing wild turkey in the area and for a time they need a little help. Last week hunters had a cougar up a tree with hounds on my land. I took pictures and made them let it go. (Email me for photos, I'm there with Daisy the old girl hound.) My point is some what an agreement with every one. We have cultural differences so don't condemn and stereo type a culture you are a visitor in!!! I like Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't slam German Octoberfest participants for drinking too much beer! The photo was just giving the many tourists what they want. The condescending, superior sounding email post was poison, and worse, was designed to be! Tom In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:40:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gee...@msn.com writes: I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was just plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Reallywhat a pantload! Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE! I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun safety. I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun. It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard to tell from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had been a bright day glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said, this all has to do with a certain mindset
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Hi Tom, Well, now I'm really in trouble. I was reading your post thinking about those good old days polishing meteorites under the blue Idaho sky, taking breaks to cover your porch ankle-deep in brass, and I started to laugh. Whatcha laughing about dear? My wife asks. So I started to read your email out loud and she stops me. You did what? You see, up until know, she probably thought that when one spend hours polishing meteorites, one came home smelling like gun powder. Cordite...Chondrite. Anyone could make that mistake. Right? So anyway Tom, I'll have to get down your way again this summer. And I'll bring along a couple new, um, pieces. And thanks. They arrived today. Very nice! Oh, and maybe the List could play word games with guns and meteorite names. Let's see. How about: Rifle, Colorado (Guns ) Rose City Michigan? Gunlock, Utah Sharps, Virginia Smithsonia ( Wesson), Georgia Best, Martin On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:15 PM, starsandsco...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, This is the first time I have chimed in on one of these rants but here goes: The biggest mistake was not the photo! Heck, tourists love fake stage coach hold ups staged all over Arizona. They even have one in Knot's Berry Farm in California. The photo was just for fun. The mistake that flipped switches was the stereo type insult to gun owners/users. That was a Bad Post and should be apologized for! Martin joined in, prior to the slam, in a light hearted observation of the photo situation and I felt the post that started all this was a slam to him as well. I have cut and polished meteorites with Martin. During those visits we have occasionally practiced with guns. I must say that as meticulous as he is with meteorite matters he is with guns. With his Glock he is an amazing shot! ( I even suspected professional competition!) Once again, every thing is meticulous with him. Absolute safety!!! I am not typical in any way either. I like assault rifles but then again, I have hundreds and hundreds of acres to shoot them on. I do not hunt. This winter I spent more on 55 gal drums of wheat than on meteorites. We are reestablishing wild turkey in the area and for a time they need a little help. Last week hunters had a cougar up a tree with hounds on my land. I took pictures and made them let it go. (Email me for photos, I'm there with Daisy the old girl hound.) My point is some what an agreement with every one. We have cultural differences so don't condemn and stereo type a culture you are a visitor in!!! I like Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't slam German Octoberfest participants for drinking too much beer! The photo was just giving the many tourists what they want. The condescending, superior sounding email post was poison, and worse, was designed to be! Tom In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:40:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gee...@msn.com writes: I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was just plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Reallywhat a pantload! Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE! I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun safety. I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun. It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard to tell from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had been a bright day glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said, this all has to do with a certain mindset. Period. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 2/3/2010 3:59:47 AM Mountain Standard Time, p.david...@nms.ac.uk writes: Dear Listees I have been a member of this list now for less than a year. In that time I have seen some almighty stushies (Scots word meaning rumpus or row) and debates as well as a mountain of information and the forging of some great new friendships. However the recent postings on guns and arms has seriously depressed and angered me, and if anything has come close to forcing me off the list, it is this. I never thought I would see the day when I would be sharing correspondence with hicks and rednecks or NRA sycophants and apologists. Anne (Black) I salute you. Your simple, straightforward words are my only comfort. :-( Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals Thank you Peter, I do appreciate the compliment. Please know that in the USA not all hicks are NRA apologists, and not all NRA apologists are hicks. I simply detest guns and will not tolerate them near me. Beside that, please remember a saying I was told a long time ago: the dogs bark, the train goes on :-) And please do not leave the List. Thank you. Anne M. Black WWW.IMPACTIKA.com email: impact...@aol.com Vice-President www.IMCA.cc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Funny Martin, I've been hunting at Pistol Hill and Gunsight Pass, hoping to find something so I can put those names to it! And yes, the photo did look funny and I confirmed that it wasn't pointing directly at anybody. Having fun in Tucson, Mark P.S. I hope to meet a lot of you, so please look me up at the IMCA dinner, Birthday Bash and Blood auction. Safe travells to all! - Original Message From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com Oh, and maybe the List could play word games with guns and meteorite names. Let's see. How about: Rifle, Colorado (Guns ) Rose City Michigan? Gunlock, Utah Sharps, Virginia Smithsonia ( Wesson), Georgia Best, Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
