Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
There is evidently more to IMCA membership than just sponsorship and fee. Whenever there is an organization that has the ability to modify your business in ways you don't agree, than membership is a concern or at least something to think about. The Chamber of Commerce decided to become very political and I could not belong anymore...just an example. If the basis for an organization evolves beyond the beginner's and member concepts of the organization, than it may be time to relieve the organization of such power. I believe in the IMCA reassuring the buyer that the member is honest and the product is labeled honestly. That's the major extent of what I thought the organization was. I have several emails concerned that the organization has taken different responsibilities and some officers have conflicting interests. It's a shame, I have met some very remarkable people within the IMCA and don't understand the emails I get. Everyone is 'quiet' about this problem...I get emails requesting this. I don't like that!!! Something is wrong and I hope the appropriate people fix this. Nobody needs to be quiet...we should be way beyond that, if not...maybe it should not be 'we'. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:09 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
If you can't understand what I just wrote, no problem..I can't either..I'm challenged in that respect. If I were a seller and belonged to the IMCA (which will probably never happen now)...I would find it very hard to talk about these problems. I want the IMCA to know that I receive several emails from people in that situation. I think Carl hit it right on the head. Brings memories of reading Animal Farm in high school...it's going to blow up one of these days. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:09 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
If you can't understand what I just wrote, no problem..I can't either..I'm challenged in that respect. If I were a seller and belonged to the IMCA (which will probably never happen now)...I would find it very hard to talk about these problems. I want the IMCA to know that I receive several emails from people in that situation. I think Carl hit it right on the head. Brings memories of reading Animal Farm in high school...it's going to blow up one of these days. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Barry Hughes bhug...@sneezy.com wrote: There is evidently more to IMCA membership than just sponsorship and fee. Whenever there is an organization that has the ability to modify your business in ways you don't agree, than membership is a concern or at least something to think about. The Chamber of Commerce decided to become very political and I could not belong anymore...just an example. If the basis for an organization evolves beyond the beginner's and member concepts of the organization, than it may be time to relieve the organization of such power. I believe in the IMCA reassuring the buyer that the member is honest and the product is labeled honestly. That's the major extent of what I thought the organization was. I have several emails concerned that the organization has taken different responsibilities and some officers have conflicting interests. It's a shame, I have met some very remarkable people within the IMCA and don't understand the emails I get. Everyone is 'quiet' about this problem...I get emails requesting this. I don't like that!!! Something is wrong and I hope the appropriate people fix this. Nobody needs to be quiet...we should be way beyond that, if not...maybe it should not be 'we'. On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:09 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Newcomers and the Meteorite world (was STOLENmeteorites - from Allen Shaw)
John, List, All due respect and nothing personal here but. I'm quite sure you know that the $20.00 annual membership fee is not a deterrent for anybody to Join the IMCA. But the truth is that there are many reasons one has to contemplate when joining any organized organization. To me the first considerations are need and desire to join. Do the pluses outweigh the minuses? Do you want that organization to have a say in the running of your business? Do you want a competing dealer (IMCA board member) to have a say in the running of your business or do you feel that that would be a conflict of interest on their part? Do you want to have freedom of speech or would you rather have to keep quite about organizations inadequacies? Do you want to have to agree with all of the folks running the org at all times? Or face possible harassment and or abuse by them. Because it's possible that nobody would ever dare to say anything they disagreed with for fear of being ejected or black balled? As Al correctly pointed out there are many reputable dealers who have chosen NOT to join for there own reasons. I think the word AD needs to be in the subject box if you are pushing memberships here? HaHa. In all seriousness. This is a relatively small community. You misstep as a dealer and you are pretty much toast in this biz. Add to that eBay and PayPal's own protection policies and you really don't have much to worry about. I personally offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee . Period. If for any reason you are not 100% satisfied with anything I sell you may return it for a full refund. Most dealers I know have the same policy so no worries. I collect so, I have material for comparison with other material. Pictures don't always cut it. I need to see and feel it in person. I am lucky to have been able to see and touch thousands of meteorites in my 21 years as a looker at every Tucson show since 1989. And I must say. There are tons of great people in this Field. My 2 cents. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: G'Day Anne, Al and List, Well said Anne. And Al, I'll stand behind Anne for recommendation. In fact, I'll up the ante and pay your $20 Cheers John IMCA #2125 P.S. I almost forgot, Tom Phillips is celebrating a birthday. One hell of a guy. I forgot what it was like when I was 30. Al!! You are more than welcome to come back in the Association, and I am sure members would line up to recommend you! I'll be at the head of the line. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
