Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fairprice?
That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. Tim Heitz M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Crazy, over the price of a historical fall.for me a price of $7/gr. max. is ok. No over. If is fall many kilos is another question. regards Matteo --- Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello Mike and Everyone, I was afraid this would happen. Reminds me of Portales Vallay. Remember the lady who refused to sell her stone unless some very high price was met. What was her name? Nelda something? I wonder if she ever sold it. -Walter -www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should "donate all the pieces" to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price?
Tim, that is 7 times what 3 pieces were bought for, what are you talking about! Why arent you here since you live so close? Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. Tim Heitz M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Crazy, over the price of a historical fall.for me a price of $7/gr. max. is ok. No over. If is fall many kilos is another question. regards Matteo --- Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Mike and all the others that went to Chicago, I want to thank you all for your attempts and to say that this will bite the asses of all that have pieces that want too much for them. Let the idiots have there day and think they are going to be rich. Let the museums show their true colors and disappoint those that think they are going to get rich by selling to the museums. Do not let this crap get you mad. I predict that in a month or so this stuff will show up on ebayat first for way too much, then the price will drop. As long as some of our members have some samples they will be able to tell the rest of us if it is real when it hits ebay. In the past couple of years on the antiques road show a man from Tucson had an Indian Chief Blanket on there...valued at $500,000.00+ dollars. My wife and I buy and sell alot of native american blankets. After that blanket aired on the Roadshow every blanket we saw at sales was priced through the roof whether it was native american or made in mexico. We tried to explain to the sellers the differences and they all got mad, said they would rather "donate" to the Heard Museum or what they termed "real" collectors and get the tax break then sell too cheap. Everyone thought they would get rich. For a while you couldn't touch the blankets. We left our cards with everyone and just left them to their own devices. Well then the bubble popped, the museums told them what they had were not the geniune items, and many that were genuine were not "Chief" blankets which are truly rare. Soon after the bubble popped we were bak to buying blankets for what they were worthand we did have the satisifaction of telling those that were truly rude to shove their blankets were the sun don't shine. My point is that these morons with stones that listened to the other morons say it was worth $500 an ounce will soon find out that they can't sell it for that and the museum is not about to pay that much and will be looking to sell the stuff. Afterall, all the museums I have ever dealt with have "limited" budgets. It is not like this is a lunar, how much of it will they actually want to buy? And if you factor in all the "wrongs" that will show up which will probably be 5 times more than the real thing the museum will close shop quickly enough. You guys that went there to get the stuff deserve a huge thanks from all of us for trying. It will show up sooner or later. When people think they have a treasure that will make them rich they are always anxious to get the money. When they find out they are not millionaires they will sell, and then you will be in the driver seat. Hopefully there will be plenty for sale soon Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should "donate all the pieces" to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle
Hi List, Mike Farmer mentioned the specimens being worth $500.00 an ounce but when we were in the library asking around one of the ladies there told us they were worth $2,000.00 an ounce ($73.00/ gram) so it keeps going up in price. People in that area need to really get a grip on this one. There has to be lots of material around, including some that people haven't come across yet. This looks to be like an LL6 as others have mentioned. It is an ordinary chondrite and a quick look on dealer sites on the internet or if you wish ebay, those items don't usually sell for much more than $2 or $3 a gram (except in low total weight falls). What's a fair price?? I think the guy that sold to Steve W. for $1.00 got a good deal as well as Steve got a reasonable purchase. No one got ripped off. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Matteo, yet you try to sell Afianello for $100 gram? ManyMany kilos. Get Real matteo. Good luck. Mike - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? Crazy, over the price of a historical fall.for me a price of $7/gr. max. is ok. No over. If is fall many kilos is another question. regards Matteo --- Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yes but Alfianello is 1883 historical fall, andd all pieces is in museum and is hard this exit, I see who sale Alfianello for $100/gr. go sold with no problems. The same for my Albareto, I sale for $200/gr. and this go. Many have write to me alfianello, albareto and other historical falls is ordinary chondrites and the price request is esageratedwell, Ensisheim is a ordinary chondrite, why this person not sale for $2/gr. ? Barbotan is a ordinary chondrite, why this is sold for $200/gr.? This person have a 200 gr. of alfianello, but when I have ask to sale to me for $2/gr. the piece I not have received answer, strange...is a ordinary chondrite. The same for this new falls, is not a historical fall, probably at 50 years this new fall enter in the historical falls, but now is a normaly ordinary chondrite fall with over 50 kg. + and a price of $7/gr. is just. Ask to a italian museum a piece of a normaly meteorite or historical, the answer is nothing, no money accept and no trades - very very rare the trades here - is for this the italian/historical meteorites is hard to find. Regards Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, yet you try to sell Afianello for $100 gram? ManyMany kilos. Get Real matteo. Good luck. Mike - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? Crazy, over the price of a historical fall.for me a price of $7/gr. max. is ok. No over. If is fall many kilos is another question. regards Matteo --- Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via
Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price?
Okm Matteo, let us know when you find another Pultusk fall in Italy. I agree that $7 gram would be just, but it is not to be, that is the simple fact, so if you don't think it is worth it, don't buy any, end of story. Mike Farmer Meteoritehunter - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? Yes but Alfianello is 1883 historical fall, andd all pieces is in museum and is hard this exit, I see who sale Alfianello for $100/gr. go sold with no problems. The same for my Albareto, I sale for $200/gr. and this go. Many have write to me alfianello, albareto and other historical falls is ordinary chondrites and the price request is esageratedwell, Ensisheim is a ordinary chondrite, why this person not sale for $2/gr. ? Barbotan is a ordinary chondrite, why this is sold for $200/gr.? This person have a 200 gr. of alfianello, but when I have ask to sale to me for $2/gr. the piece I not have received answer, strange...is a ordinary chondrite. The same for this new falls, is not a historical fall, probably at 50 years this new fall enter in the historical falls, but now is a normaly ordinary chondrite fall with over 50 kg. + and a price of $7/gr. is just. Ask to a italian museum a piece of a normaly meteorite or historical, the answer is nothing, no money accept and no trades - very very rare the trades here - is for this the italian/historical meteorites is hard to find. Regards Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, yet you try to sell Afianello for $100 gram? ManyMany kilos. Get Real matteo. Good luck. Mike - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? Crazy, over the price of a historical fall.for me a price of $7/gr. max. is ok. No over. If is fall many kilos is another question. regards Matteo --- Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info
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If I could get a piece that was documented to have crashed through the roof of a house for $7/g, I would be very happy and I wouldn't have to wait 50 years to know I owned a piece of meteorite history Best, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello, So would EVERYONE else!!! Cottingham - Original Message - From: Charlie Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fairprice? If I could get a piece that was documented to have crashed through the roof of a house for $7/g, I would be very happy and I wouldn't have to wait 50 years to know I owned a piece of meteorite history Best, Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 3/29/2003 5:23:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. What you are forgetting is that does not include air fare, hotel bills, rental cars etc. In addition most dealers will keep a good sized piece for their collections. If a lot of material is bought the cost averages down, but if little is bought it becomes a significant addition to the purchase of the meteorite. Some are also full time dealers so they not only have to get their money out, but make a profit for things like house and car payments, food, taxes, ect. And we haven't even added in cut losses. So is $7 for a stone bought for $1 fair? It all depends, and one of the least important things is how much you pay for an individual stone. The average cost per gram and how much you manage to get are much more important. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price?
Hold on a minute, guys! What's all this talk about $7/g? Don't forget that Farmer had to PAY $7/g for most of those premium specimens that had hit a house. We're not going to see those meteorites going for $7/g. No doubt Michael would like to comment on this thread but right now he's out in the field searching for more of this meteorite, so let's not go too far with this thread until those more closely involved can participate. I'm only aware of 1 stone that was acquired for ~$1/g. And that was the one bought by Steve Witt soon after he arrived on the scene. Not long after that prices started to vary greatly. And that particular stone won't be going on the market any time soon. Steve gave permission to have that stone sent to a lab in Washington - in order to have a short-lived radionuclide count performed on it. As you may already know, this is an analysis that researchers are VERY keen to conduct on any VERY recently fallen meteorite. It is preferred to have this test done within hours of the fall! And Steve handed over his stone within 24 hours of having recovered it. It was the 2nd freshest specimen made available for this count. Steve Witt is not a meteorite dealer. Like the rest of us, he is a collector and is trying to do the right thing and is attempting to help in the recovery of a fall that occurred in his neighborhood. He is a member of a nationwide group called Bolide_Chasers. He was interviewed by local TV media and performed a public service by supplying (good) information to the general public and directing meteorite finders to the local sheriff station. He lent his specimens from the fall for use in other media presentations. He lent his largest specimen for analysis. And for all his volunteer efforts, he was nearly arrested! Sorry, but I'm not very good at figuring out the dollar value of a new meteorite. But I'm sure it probably varies for each individual finder, and for each individual stone. Bob V. --- [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:49:41 EST In a message dated 3/29/2003 5:23:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello, Several other stones were purchased for about $1.00 per gram. Approx weight maybe around 3 kilos. However these went straight into personal collections! On a funny note many stones were turned away from several buyers at $1.00 per gram because it was believed that there were going to be 100's of kilos. NOT! Next day, the buyers tried to buy those stones at the $1.00 price per gram and were laughed atby then it was $10.00 per gram...thanks to the police and museum. Cottingham - Original Message - From: Robert Verish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? Hold on a minute, guys! What's all this talk about $7/g? Don't forget that Farmer had to PAY $7/g for most of those premium specimens that had hit a house. We're not going to see those meteorites going for $7/g. No doubt Michael would like to comment on this thread but right now he's out in the field searching for more of this meteorite, so let's not go too far with this thread until those more closely involved can participate. I'm only aware of 1 stone that was acquired for ~$1/g. And that was the one bought by Steve Witt soon after he arrived on the scene. Not long after that prices started to vary greatly. And that particular stone won't be going on the market any time soon. Steve gave permission to have that stone sent to a lab in Washington - in order to have a short-lived radionuclide count performed on it. As you may already know, this is an analysis that researchers are VERY keen to conduct on any VERY recently fallen meteorite. It is preferred to have this test done within hours of the fall! And Steve handed over his stone within 24 hours of having recovered it. It was the 2nd freshest specimen made available for this count. Steve Witt is not a meteorite dealer. Like the rest of us, he is a collector and is trying to do the right thing and is attempting to help in the recovery of a fall that occurred in his neighborhood. He is a member of a nationwide group called Bolide_Chasers. He was interviewed by local TV media and performed a public service by supplying (good) information to the general public and directing meteorite finders to the local sheriff station. He lent his specimens from the fall for use in other media presentations. He lent his largest specimen for analysis. And for all his volunteer efforts, he was nearly arrested! Sorry, but I'm not very good at figuring out the dollar value of a new meteorite. But I'm sure it probably varies for each individual finder, and for each individual stone. Bob V. --- [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:49:41 EST In a message dated 3/29/2003 5:23:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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3000 grams or 3 kilo's x 7 =$21,000 Where are you staying? Are you renting a 24 hour limo? Are you using a private jet? GO FIGURE !! Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2003 5:23:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. What you are forgetting is that does not include air fare, hotel bills, rental cars etc. In addition most dealers will keep a good sized piece for their collections. If a lot of material is bought the cost averages down, but if little is bought it becomes a significant addition to the purchase of the meteorite. Some are also full time dealers so they not only have to get their money out, but make a profit for things like house and car payments, food, taxes, ect. And we haven't even added in cut losses. So is $7 for a stone bought for $1 fair? It all depends, and one of the least important things is how much you pay for an individual stone. The average cost per gram and how much you manage to get are much more important. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Heck that is cheap considering all things. Without getting into an argumentthere are so many factors involved with pricing that it is just not that simple. The best thing for one to do if you really want to understand, is travel to a fall, with all the expenses involved, do all the work, the sell your material. By then you will begin to understand. You will never see this meteorite for retail sale at $7.00 per gram. If that is the case and if there is anyone listening from Park ForrestI will buy ALL the meteorites from this fall for $7.00 per gram RIGHT NOW!!! Cottingham - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? 3000 grams or 3 kilo's x 7 =$21,000 Where are you staying? Are you renting a 24 hour limo? Are you using a private jet? GO FIGURE !! Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2003 5:23:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. What you are forgetting is that does not include air fare, hotel bills, rental cars etc. In addition most dealers will keep a good sized piece for their collections. If a lot of material is bought the cost averages down, but if little is bought it becomes a significant addition to the purchase of the meteorite. Some are also full time dealers so they not only have to get their money out, but make a profit for things like house and car payments, food, taxes, ect. And we haven't even added in cut losses. So is $7 for a stone bought for $1 fair? It all depends, and one of the least important things is how much you pay for an individual stone. The average cost per gram and how much you manage to get are much more important. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Ya right Michael Cottingham wrote: Heck that is cheap considering all things. Without getting into an argumentthere are so many factors involved with pricing that it is just not that simple. The best thing for one to do if you really want to understand, is travel to a fall, with all the expenses involved, do all the work, the sell your material. By then you will begin to understand. You will never see this meteorite for retail sale at $7.00 per gram. If that is the case and if there is anyone listening from Park ForrestI will buy ALL the meteorites from this fall for $7.00 per gram RIGHT NOW!!! Cottingham - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? 3000 grams or 3 kilo's x 7 =$21,000 Where are you staying? Are you renting a 24 hour limo? Are you using a private jet? GO FIGURE !! Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2003 5:23:22 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is 7 times what they paid for it, your saying thats a fair price. What you are forgetting is that does not include air fare, hotel bills, rental cars etc. In addition most dealers will keep a good sized piece for their collections. If a lot of material is bought the cost averages down, but if little is bought it becomes a significant addition to the purchase of the meteorite. Some are also full time dealers so they not only have to get their money out, but make a profit for things like house and car payments, food, taxes, ect. And we haven't even added in cut losses. So is $7 for a stone bought for $1 fair? It all depends, and one of the least important things is how much you pay for an individual stone. The average cost per gram and how much you manage to get are much more important. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 3/29/2003 3:35:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3000 grams or 3 kilo's x 7 =$21,000 Where are you staying? Are you renting a 24 hour limo? Are you using a private jet? Heck Tim I didn't mention any weights. It could also be 100 grams x 7 = $700. You going to sell it for that at a profit after planes and hotels etc.? If you reread my message you will see that one of the important factors I mentioned is how MUCH you get is a key factor in the price. I haven't heard of anybody yet that has 3kg for sale. I am not in Chicago and have no plans of going. As a collector I am bummed because I was hoping for a 1-2 kg piece and that is not going to happen. Maybe next time prices won't get so out of wack, but I won't hold my breath. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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NO ONE has 3 kilos, I have one piece of 928 grams, and 900 grams of fragments. I paid dearly. Also I have added up all of the pieces I know about, and I doubt there are too many yet found that I havnt seen except the pieces the museums and people got the first day. I belive now that there is less than 25 kilos known. I would like to know if anyone knows more. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price? In a message dated 3/29/2003 3:35:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3000 grams or 3 kilo's x 7 =$21,000 Where are you staying? Are you renting a 24 hour limo? Are you using a private jet? Heck Tim I didn't mention any weights. It could also be 100 grams x 7 = $700. You going to sell it for that at a profit after planes and hotels etc.? If you reread my message you will see that one of the important factors I mentioned is how MUCH you get is a key factor in the price. I haven't heard of anybody yet that has 3kg for sale. I am not in Chicago and have no plans of going. As a collector I am bummed because I was hoping for a 1-2 kg piece and that is not going to happen. Maybe next time prices won't get so out of wack, but I won't hold my breath. Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle
Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should "donate all the pieces" to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer
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Steve Witt robbed the finder? Ask some of the finders how the police ripped them off! And also that idiot from Chicago! (NOT STEVE) What a maroon! Dave Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle - whats a fair price?
Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Curious...so is this considered slander and can affected parties (dealers) sue the universities for such? Any meteorite lawyers out there? I find this behavior by respected scientists to be very unprofessional. mlm - Original Message - From: Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Park Forest meteorite debacle Steve Witt robbed the finder? Ask some of the finders how the police ripped them off! And also that idiot from Chicago! (NOT STEVE) What a maroon! Dave Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Crazy, over the price of a historical fall.for me a price of $7/gr. max. is ok. No over. If is fall many kilos is another question. regards Matteo --- Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I got a call from a man that lives right in the area of which the meteorite fell. He told me that a guy had setup in a parking lot and was paying $1.00 PER GRAM He wanted to know how much they were really worth. What do you think the answer should have been? Later he told me he had three big pieces and he thought $1.00 PER GRAM was not enough. Tim Heitz Michael Farmer wrote: Hello everyone, a little news from the strewnfield. The news is not good. The people here all think that they are millionaires, they all want $10 to $20 gram now. The police chief tols Steve Witt to leave or be arrested as they think he robbed a meteorite finder by paying several dollars per gram! The news has stated that they are worth $500 per ounce ~$15 gram. The Museum in Chicago has not helped, stating that dealers are here to rip the locals off and that they should donate all the pieces to the university/museum. I have been in 6 homes today that were penetrated by meteorites, serious damage to many of them. There are many pieces but as I said, people now want $100,000 for some stones and they are NOT JOKING. I wish anyone who plans to come out good luck, I will hunt tomorrow and try to secure a stone or two, then go home and let people get to reality. I do have 4 pieces totaling about one kilo, 3 pieces that hit a house and damaged the siding. The other piece is a half individual that impacted the median in a road, and has the nose imbedded with yellow street paint. I do not know if there will be any out for sale any time soon, the price is so high we are just walking away from many people. A few got a few cheap specimens, but very few. If any will come for sale from me, it will likely be quite expensive. I do not know what the next few days hold, more pieces should be found though so maybe we will have more luck. I will email more info later. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
