Re: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
Of course. Zero. Nada. Null. Nichts. Bernhard -- Liebe Grüße, Bernhard Rems - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am Sat, 04 Dec 2004 18:06:09 -0800, schrieb Michael L Blood: Mr. Mr. Pellisson, PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
Mr. Mr. Pellisson, I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before responding. I did not want to over react or take unwarranted action. I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc. Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances you have created and which we now all face: I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in your post to the list: http://www.SaharaMet.com From the main page, I then clicked on NWA contraband which took me to: http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html from which the following is a direct and exact quote: -- Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism... -- Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to prove everyone having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible. The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope. Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I say, a permanent good day. Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely. As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until then: If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up at my auction, I will have security remove you. Take down the site. Now. Good day, Michael Blood PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition on Mauritanian craters: http://www.saharamet.com/expedition/2003/craters.html Best regards, Richard and Roland Pelisson - Original Message - From: Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: La Memoire de la Terre [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Pellisson, the end of a free meteorite hobby? Hi All, I'm forwarding this message on behalf of Bruno Carine. They are having problems to post to the
Re: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
Michael List, Taking the time to think before posting to the list is beneficial. Mr. Blood's post is exactly how I feel. My name was not involved, but as a serious collector it might as well have been. So long to the 'Sahara Team', never did and never will ! ! ! Best regards, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons Mr. Mr. Pellisson, I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before responding. I did not want to over react or take unwarranted action. I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc. Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances you have created and which we now all face: I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in your post to the list: http://www.SaharaMet.com From the main page, I then clicked on NWA contraband which took me to: http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html from which the following is a direct and exact quote: -- Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism... -- Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to prove everyone having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible. The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope. Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I say, a permanent good day. Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely. As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until then: If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up at my auction, I will have security remove you. Take down the site. Now. Good day, Michael Blood PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales relatives à ces météorites We hope that everybody can return to his passion. And we wish that those interested by the subject will wait for the official decision. And if Bruno Fectay has something to express why does he needs to write through N. Classen and not with his own email ? For those who want to know more about us and our work on Saharan strewnfields, you can browse our web pages: http://www.SaharaMet.com And our 2003 expedition
Re: [meteorite-list] Response to the Pellissons
So true, My Grandfather used to say, Pelican oh pelican, your beak can hold more than your bellycan. I don't think these people will ever get their fill. Bill -- Original message -- From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Michael; You have echoed my sentiments exactly. I may point out that a few years ago, a well known meteorite person was caught thieving meteorites from a certain country and his name was not spoken in meteorite circles for a very long time and is not today a welcomed member of our fraternity. I think that his lesson was just. I feel that maybe this same type of treatment of the pelicans may very well be just. Pelican, a sea buzzard that has a gut so full of dead fish that it can no longer soar...mmm. Maybe a slang name change is due since we already have one whose name we do not speak? Best, Dave Freeman Michael L Blood wrote: Mr. Mr. Pellisson, I consider the situation the meteorite community is facing due to your actions so sever I have given this 24 hours of thought before responding. I did not want to over react or take unwarranted action. I consulted with close friends on the list, asking for feedback, etc. Finally, I find the following response modest, given the circumstances you have created and which we now all face: I have been to you web site, sirs, from the link you provided in your post to the list: http://www.SaharaMet.com From the main page, I then clicked on NWA contraband which took me to: http://www.saharamet.com/meteorite/data/Sahara/Nwa.html from which the following is a direct and exact quote: -- Smugglers, dealers, investors, all the people who buy, sell, trade and publish documents about these meteorites want to conceal the truth. As long as the collectors believe that unknown hunters wish to keep the locations of their finds secret, that all these meteorites are good for science and a good purchase, the business will go on! The plundering of North Africa, the support to organized smuggling rings, the financing of terrorism... -- Besides for impeaching pretty much everyone on the list in the above statement, you have reportedly individually used the names of a good many people for whom I hold deep respect not the least of whom include Bernd Pauli, Art Jones and Jeff Grossman in an attempt to prove everyone having anything to do with NWA meteorites - except yourselves, is contributing to terrorists. While it is no secret I am strongly anti war, I non the less passionately support the safety of people serving this country and most certainly consider all terrorists the enemy of all civilized humans. For you to claim the meteorite community supports terrorists - for your personal ends is utterly reprehensible. The amount of potential damage resulting from your outrageous claim is is yet to be seen, but is certainly incalculable in scope. Unless you immediately remove this atrocity from your site, to you I say, a permanent good day. Why anyone on this list would have anything to do with you or your business while you continue to host this on your site is beyond me entirely. As long as you maintain this wretched propaganda as part of your site (or anywhere else) under no circumstances will I purchase from you or speak to you or in any way whatsoever support any business conducted by you. Remove that site and then I will listen to what you have to say. Until then: If you post to this list, I will not respond or acknowledge your post. If you show up in Tucson, I will not enter your room. If you show up at my auction, I will have security remove you. Take down the site. Now. Good day, Michael Blood PS: Anyone else care to let the Pellisons know how much business from them they can expect as long as this atrocious portion of their site remains? on 12/3/04 2:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let us explain the French problem with B. Fectay/C. Bidaut Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut have sued us in March 2004 for libel. It is only a civil action between B. Fectay/C. Bidaut and us to claim for damages. Now we are also claiming for damages against them. It will take several months to the justice before to return a verdict. As you can imagine, nothing is illegally done in front of the court : private emails are not admissible. And nobody can be summoned to appear in a civil action. All the remarks and all the publicity which have been given to this affair are the consequences of this civil action. Regarding our web page on NWA meteorites, the French court decided in our favor: Il ne peut être contesté que le débat sur les lieux de découvertes des météorites est légitime et présente un intérêt scientifique. La même légitimité doit être reconnue pour les discussions sur le transport et les opérations commerciales
