[meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Dear List and MT Writers, I just got off the phone with Jim and I regret to inform you that MeteoriteTimes.com died tonight. We had a dream of giving back to the meteorite community some of what we have received. Jim and I spent much of what little free time we had on producing the magazine. What we lacked was the time it takes to police each and every word, each and every picture, each and every link. We lacked the time and clairvoyance to realize when material was not mentioned. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to be spoken to as we have been. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to cause infighting between others. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to have to bother the list with e-mails like this. To the vast majority who will miss the magazine, I truly apologize and I'm sorry. Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Dear Craig, Mark, Geoff, Walter and all list members who have benefited so much from the selfless efforts of Paul Harris and Jim Tobin, I am just sick upon reading Pual & Jim's posts. I am afraid I was one of the authors mentioned, by citing my auction and not mentioning Darryl's in the same article. Though I have mentioned his auctions many times in my articles, I fear he took great offense at my failure to do so this time. Paul and Jim are the last people on earth I would want to see hurt like this. I feel sick to my stomach. I tend to write about whatever I am feeling enthused about at the time and have always been totally undisguised in openly mentioning what I am up to, myself. I fear this carefree style has resulted in a response that hurt two of the best people I know. This month I focused on new changes that would be at the Tucson Show - and certainly mentioned changes in my own venue. Next month, immediately before the show, I was going to touch on all the standard venues not to be missed. I guess I should have informed Darryl of that in advance. I have, many times, written of how Darryl always brings some of the most beautiful specimens in the world to the show. In this particular issue I also wrote about new ventures of Bob Haag, Eric Olson, Jim Strope, Mike Farmer, the Hupe brothers, Adam and Greg. I guess all other dealers could have been offended. It is difficult to know where such notification is required but, as I said, my plans for the Feb. issue were to address all elements of the show not particularly new this year, but which are, of course, not to be missed. For those who may have not gotten around to reading the article, METEORITE TIMES is now down, so, I have posted the article at which offense was taken. The full article, exactly as published can be seen at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MMT.html I would like to propose the following to Paul and Jim: PLEASE DO NOT FOLD YOUR TERRIFIC METEORITE TIMES! Instead, please accept my resignation from my column. I don't know who was accused of "bad science" or who posted a photo link at which someone took offense, but my guess is they would happily resign, as well, to see the invaluable fruits of your labor continue. Never, ever, would I have exposed you to any grief, had I seen it coming. My deepest regrets are extended to every person who has worked so hard submitting fine articles to the publication, and, of course, to all of you, the readers. We all have benefited so much from the thankless labor of Paul and Jim. Perhaps, if we all let them know they are appreciated and needed they might possibly reconsider? Sincerely, Michael Blood __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Hello Paul and list, Paul wrote: We had a dream of giving back to the meteorite community some of what we have received. I think you and Tim did just that. It is a shame that Meteorite Times has ended. You and Tim put a lot of work into it and it is/was appreciated by the vast majority of the community. Infighting has always been the worst enemy in our little group. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Jim and Paul, If, due to the STUPIDITY and IMMATURITY of the party(ies) involved your decision is final, then so be it. However, could we ask that you keep the already published issues posted on the website for a few more days to allow the opportunity to print/download articles that may be of interest/use to us? Not realizing that they might all go away some day, many of us probably never bothered to do so, but now we find that we have lost a source of valuable data. Craig McDonald P.S. And to the individual/individuals who caused this fine resource and labor of love to be taken from us, I think you know how those of us "out here" feel about you even if we don't know exactly who you are. And I suggest you NEVER allow us to find out who you are. For as others have already written, you may have just committed commercial suicide. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Such petty little things, these people that would kill something so valuable due to their own vanity. I have no idea what caused the fight/problem, but feel if the parties causing the problem would SIMPLY PULL THEIR OWN HEADS OUT OF THEIR ASSES, the world might be a better place. Someone needs to post a sign for this list that says: CHECK YOUR EGO AT THE DOOR UPON ENTERING!!! I have been a member of this list for about 3 years, lived through the name calling and arguments about so many stupid petty things. I too have opened my mouth only to put both feet in at times. The MeteoriteTimes was one of the best things to come out of this ragtag group of all knowing egomaniacs in the past 3 years of my existence here, along with the IMCA, which by the way was also almost killed by more STUPIDITY. I loved the MeteoriteTimes, so did my 8 year old son as did many others on this list. Such a shame that a few so called "DEALERS" again can, with malice and nothing but self centered bullshit drive something good from the group. Paul and Jim Please reconsider. I am not even totally sure what the argument is all about, or who did what to whom or why it was done or what started the whole thing in the first place, I just do not want to see the end of The MeteoriteTimes and hope that you may reconsider. Maybe if you make the readers aware that some articles are the sole work and responsibility of the writer and not necessarily the opinion or endorsed by the editors it will help. If someone wants to contribute in a manner that may/will cause a problem then they should be REQUIRED to post their VALID email address in the article and those that are unhappy with what they say can flame the writer and not the publishers. Whomever is responsible for this lack of sense to cause this much grief the Jim and Paul would end this project you should be ashamed of yourself/selves. Again I ask you both to reconsider and continue the project. I would be glad to help in any way that I can be of any assistance. I know some HTML, I can read and use a spellchecker and have some free time in the evenings being self employed. Whomever started this and caused the end of the MeteoriteTimes you owe everyone on this list AN APOLOGY and most of all you OWE A BIGGER APOLOGY to Jim and Paul. GET A FREAKIN' GRIP ON YOURSELF/SELVES. Last time I looked the universe was not revolving around any particular human and it is wrong for you to think it is revolving around you. Anyone that takes any particular offense to my opinions stated in this email can kiss my *ss. I am so tired of so many petty little things causing the end or near end of the good things that come out of this list. I am tired of the few ruining things for the many. I am tired of having to delete the annual flame wars and name calling sessions that seem to sprout on an all too regular basis. I am only hours from Tucson and was actually thinking of driving down this year to see what it is all about. Now I wonder if it is all worth the effort, will there be all of this petty crap there too? Anyone unhappy with my opinions may email me DIRECTLY, do not waste the time of the others on the list if all you need to do is complain to me. Jim, Paul and anyone I may have left out that was producing the MeteoriteTimesPLEASE, PLEASE RECONSIDER. If I can help just ask. Thanks for listening, Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: Paul Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream > Dear List and MT Writers, > > I just got off the phone with Jim and I regret to inform you that > MeteoriteTimes.com died tonight. > > We had a dream of giving back to the meteorite community some of what we > have received. Jim and > I spent much of what little free time we had on producing the > magazine. What we lacked was the > time it takes to police each and every word, each and every picture, each > and every link. We lacked > the time and clairvoyance to realize when material was not mentioned. > > We did not spend our free time and creative energies to be spoken to as we > have been. > We did not spend our free time and creative energies to cause infighting > between others. > We did not spend our free time and creative energies to have to bother the > list with e-mails like this. > > To the vast majority who will miss the magazine, I truly apologize and I'm > sorry. > > Paul > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Mark put it more colorfully and succinctly than I ever could. Just put "ditto marks" underneath the entire thing for my part. Due to various crises in my family's life, I will be unable to attend Tucson this year. MeteoriteTimes and this list are (were) my best ties to the rest of the meteoric community, as isolated as I am, and I am shocked and saddened to see another worthy effort bite it because of the regrettably common infighting and petty bickering. Tracy Latimer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
te > the > annual flame wars and name calling sessions that seem to sprout on > an all > too regular basis. > > I am only hours from Tucson and was actually thinking of driving > down this > year to see what it is all about. Now I wonder if it is all worth > the > effort, will there be all of this petty crap there too? > > Anyone unhappy with my opinions may email me DIRECTLY, do not waste > the time > of the others on the list if all you need to do is complain to me. > > Jim, Paul and anyone I may have left out that was producing the > MeteoriteTimesPLEASE, PLEASE RECONSIDER. If I can help just > ask. > > Thanks for listening, > > Mark M. > Phoenix AZ > - Original Message - > From: Paul Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:48 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream > > > > Dear List and MT Writers, > > > > I just got off the phone with Jim and I regret to inform you that > > MeteoriteTimes.com died tonight. > > > > We had a dream of giving back to the meteorite community some of > what we > > have received. Jim and > > I spent much of what little free time we had on producing the > > magazine. What we lacked was the > > time it takes to police each and every word, each and every > picture, each > > and every link. We lacked > > the time and clairvoyance to realize when material was not > mentioned. > > > > We did not spend our free time and creative energies to be spoken > to as we > > have been. > > We did not spend our free time and creative energies to cause > infighting > > between others. > > We did not spend our free time and creative energies to have to > bother the > > list with e-mails like this. > > > > To the vast majority who will miss the magazine, I truly > apologize and I'm > > sorry. > > > > Paul > > > > > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream
Hello List, Sigh, the loss of MT will be felt by all - the List, collectors, dealers, educators, novices, strollers of the 'net and the merely meteoritically curious. Jim, Paul, I want to thank you for sharing your dream, enthusiasm, knowledge, and most importantly, free time with and on behalf of us. It is not worth MT continuing if it brings you angst and dread - life is too short and you deserve far better. People who volunteer, unfortunately, carry the same, if not greater risks in carrying out their endeavor. Your dream as evidenced by the wonderful issues of MT was to create an open, not for profit information forum using the power of the Internet. Unfortunately, circumstances combined to defeat your purpose. I want to formally applaud the correspondence of Michael Blood and Darryl Macovich - it is a rare day when men come forward in a public forum as they did. I for one feel they are being truthful in this matter. Maybe from the ashes of MT another infonet meteorite magazine will arise. If so, let us all remember what has happened here so as to not repeat history again. Maybe an editorial board can help to spread the responsibilities of proof reading and fact checking; maybe readers can express their appreciation in letters and volunteering to help. One thing is certain. MT, through the efforts of Paul and Jim, aided by others, set a pretty high mark for others to follow. And of that they can be proud. All the best, Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 www.meteoritecollectors.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Harris Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] The Death Of A Dream Dear List and MT Writers, I just got off the phone with Jim and I regret to inform you that MeteoriteTimes.com died tonight. We had a dream of giving back to the meteorite community some of what we have received. Jim and I spent much of what little free time we had on producing the magazine. What we lacked was the time it takes to police each and every word, each and every picture, each and every link. We lacked the time and clairvoyance to realize when material was not mentioned. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to be spoken to as we have been. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to cause infighting between others. We did not spend our free time and creative energies to have to bother the list with e-mails like this. To the vast majority who will miss the magazine, I truly apologize and I'm sorry. Paul __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
