[meteorite-list] Lost City Fall Picture (was: Temperature of meteorites)
Larry wrote: "I wish I could find the old Lost City fall picture of the meteorite in snow. I do not remember seeing any melted snow around it, but it must have been warm enough to attract a dog." Hello Larry and List, E.L. Fireman, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory - Sky & Telescope, March 1970, The Lost City Meteorite Fall, pp. 154-158. Picture(s) on p. 156: "*Within minutes* after discovering the meteorite lying on a snow- covered Oklahoma road, Gunther Schwartz took these pictures of it. *Snow had melted* around the stone and showed its black crust." Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost City dog?
I was at the AGU meeting when these "results" were presented. I used to have a picture of the meteorite in situ, with snow, tire tracks, dog paw prints: don't eat the yellow snow. Larry > Dear Shawn, Ed, Bob, Mike, Dieter, Martin, and other listers, > > In light of the extensive and often controversial discussions on this > list concerning the "Nakhla dog," there is a relevant detail of the > Lost City meteorite fall that could be mentioned here, taken from the > Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory's August 1971 report on their > study of the fall: > > "We were probably only a few hours too late in our recovery [of the > main mass] to meet the requirements of those biochemists interested > in organic compounds in meteorites. Judging from the footprints > around the meteorite and the stained snow immediately adjacent to it, > we believe this object to have been seriously contaminated by a dog > or some other canine." > > We are fortunate that the likes of Hopper and Brix, with a little > guidance from their human companions, have more recently been much > better behaved! > > For those who may be curious about the details of the SAO's study of > the Lost City fall, their report can be read online: > http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1971SAOSR.336.M > > Best wishes, > > Piper > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost City dog?
Also, the Park Forest "Fence Buster" meteorite I had the privilege of purchasing from the owners, was found by their dog. I can't recall his name but he was a German Shepherd and he dug it from the ground of about 3" depth. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: "Mike Bandli" Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:25:37 To: 'Piper R.W. Hollier'; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lost City dog? There was another canine interested in meteorites. According to Whyte, A.J. (2009) The Meteorites of Alberta. P 118: (in regards to the first Peace River meteorite) "One fragment of this first meteorite had apparently been found by a coyote. Perhaps disappointed that the black object was not edible, the animal defecated on it and departed. Folinsbee and Bayrock wryly speculated on the consequences of having this fragment's chemical composition analyzed." -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorite1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Piper R.W. Hollier Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:05 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost City dog? Dear Shawn, Ed, Bob, Mike, Dieter, Martin, and other listers, In light of the extensive and often controversial discussions on this list concerning the "Nakhla dog," there is a relevant detail of the Lost City meteorite fall that could be mentioned here, taken from the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory's August 1971 report on their study of the fall: "We were probably only a few hours too late in our recovery [of the main mass] to meet the requirements of those biochemists interested in organic compounds in meteorites. Judging from the footprints around the meteorite and the stained snow immediately adjacent to it, we believe this object to have been seriously contaminated by a dog or some other canine." We are fortunate that the likes of Hopper and Brix, with a little guidance from their human companions, have more recently been much better behaved! For those who may be curious about the details of the SAO's study of the Lost City fall, their report can be read online: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1971SAOSR.336. M Best wishes, Piper __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost City dog?
There was another canine interested in meteorites. According to Whyte, A.J. (2009) The Meteorites of Alberta. P 118: (in regards to the first Peace River meteorite) "One fragment of this first meteorite had apparently been found by a coyote. Perhaps disappointed that the black object was not edible, the animal defecated on it and departed. Folinsbee and Bayrock wryly speculated on the consequences of having this fragment's chemical composition analyzed." -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorite1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Piper R.W. Hollier Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 3:05 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost City dog? Dear Shawn, Ed, Bob, Mike, Dieter, Martin, and other listers, In light of the extensive and often controversial discussions on this list concerning the "Nakhla dog," there is a relevant detail of the Lost City meteorite fall that could be mentioned here, taken from the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory's August 1971 report on their study of the fall: "We were probably only a few hours too late in our recovery [of the main mass] to meet the requirements of those biochemists interested in organic compounds in meteorites. Judging from the footprints around the meteorite and the stained snow immediately adjacent to it, we believe this object to have been seriously contaminated by a dog or some other canine." We are fortunate that the likes of Hopper and Brix, with a little guidance from their human companions, have more recently been much better behaved! For those who may be curious about the details of the SAO's study of the Lost City fall, their report can be read online: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1971SAOSR.336. M Best wishes, Piper __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost City dog?
Dear Shawn, Ed, Bob, Mike, Dieter, Martin, and other listers, In light of the extensive and often controversial discussions on this list concerning the "Nakhla dog," there is a relevant detail of the Lost City meteorite fall that could be mentioned here, taken from the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory's August 1971 report on their study of the fall: "We were probably only a few hours too late in our recovery [of the main mass] to meet the requirements of those biochemists interested in organic compounds in meteorites. Judging from the footprints around the meteorite and the stained snow immediately adjacent to it, we believe this object to have been seriously contaminated by a dog or some other canine." We are fortunate that the likes of Hopper and Brix, with a little guidance from their human companions, have more recently been much better behaved! For those who may be curious about the details of the SAO's study of the Lost City fall, their report can be read online: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/nph-iarticle_query?1971SAOSR.336.M Best wishes, Piper __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to bephotographedin the USA :)
The Pasamonte event was a truly remarkable photo, captured by chance. There are two great images of it and the smoke train on the cover of Jim Schwade's Collection Catalog. This isn't the first time the Pasamonte photo topic has come up on the list. There was a good thread on this in June 2003 in the archives. As pointed out then, C.C. Wylie (Pop. Astronomy, 1950) argued against the Pasamonte photo being an actual photo of the fireball itself, but instead, the luminous train. A quote from Marco Langbroek of Dutch Meteor Society citing some of Wylie's work: "The photograph was taken by a ranch foreman. He was inside the house when alerted by a bright flash outside. He picked up his camera, went outside to a spot with clear view, and took the picture. He actually opened the shutter while still walking... Given the sequence related, it is likely that it pictures the bright persistent train rather than the fireball itself." Either way, I think it would be appropriate to simply state that "The Lost City Fireball was the first in the US to be captured by a photographic network resulting in subsequent recovery." By the way, Another remarkable chance set of photos was that of the Kendleton (1939) fireball's luminous train. Perhaps someone has a photo they can post? I have never seen these photos. Have a great day everyone and don't fight! -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorite1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Alan Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:59 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to bephotographedin the USA :) AL Mitterling :) I like how you say I put words in peoples mouths, really? AL I think you might want to examine what you post and practice what you preach before you accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths. See the problem is AL, the thing that I like about science is that we deduce a conclusion through empirical evidence. Now I find it odd that the one photograph that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie in New Mexico in 1933 shows the smoke tail of the meteor to be warped from atmospheric winds, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N . AL that is a very strong indication that is an image of the result of the meteor in flight and not an actual image of the meteor in flight due to the smoke tail warping, empirical science ROKS :) AL now you know what I find that is even more odd is that Michael Blood is selling two Lost City meteorites and if you take a look at one of the meteorite he has on his website :) http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LostCity2_668RBox.jpg the ID card that he has with the meteorite clearly states that Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographer in USA. I find that Michael's earlier statement quote un quote... " However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael" .. contradicts what he is selling on his website from his previous post and clearly shows hes selling Lost City as the first meteorite fall to be photographed in USA. Empirical evidence is grand, have a great day AL :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore: http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p 4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) al mitt almitt at kconline.com Sun Jul 25 08:20:53 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographed in the USA :) Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Greetings Shawn, I like how you always like to twist things around, put words into peoples mouths so you are always right Shawn. The Pasamonte is one remarkable photo of a meteor exploding in flight. It isn't taken after the fact regardless of how you want to twist it. Michael is right. When you post inaccurate comments on this list, some people may thing your right which create the problem of setting it straight in the future. I look forward to your twisting my message around. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) Hi Michael, Thank you for your insight :) I did some research and found some articles and was ab
Re: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :)
Shawn, Thanks for posting the Pasamonte article link. It was a great read. If you read it carefully, you'll discover that the photo shows the actual meteor (enveloped in the smoky sphere) and the winding debris trail in its wake. The article is very clear about this making Pasamonte the first meteor fall to be photographed. Cheers, Bob On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Shawn Alan wrote: > AL Mitterling :) > > I like how you say I put words in peoples mouths, really? AL I think you > might want to examine what you post and practice what you preach before you > accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths. See the problem is AL, the > thing that I like about science is that we deduce a conclusion through > empirical evidence. Now I find it odd that the one photograph that Mr. > Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie in New Mexico in 1933 shows the > smoke tail of the meteor to be warped from atmospheric winds, > http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N . AL that is a very > strong indication that is an image of the result of the meteor in flight and > not an actual image of the meteor in flight due to the smoke tail warping, > empirical science ROKS :) > > AL now you know what I find that is even more odd is that Michael Blood is > selling two Lost City meteorites and if you take a look at one of the > meteorite he has on his website :) > http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LostCity2_668RBox.jpg the ID card that > he has with the meteorite clearly states that Lost City is the first > meteorite fall to be photographer in USA. I find that Michael's earlier > statement quote un quote... > > " However, I think > what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing > the bolide. > The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. > Best wishes, Michael" > > .. contradicts what he is selling on his website from his previous > post and clearly shows hes selling Lost City as the first meteorite fall to > be photographed in USA. Empirical evidence is grand, have a great day AL :) > > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBaystore: > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 > > > > > > > > > > > > > [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA > :) > al mitt almitt at kconline.com > Sun Jul 25 08:20:53 EDT 2010 > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be > photographed in the USA :) > Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] > > > Greetings Shawn, > > I like how you always like to twist things around, put words into peoples > mouths so you are always right Shawn. The Pasamonte is one remarkable photo > of a meteor exploding in flight. It isn't taken after the fact regardless of > how you want to twist it. Michael is right. > > When you post inaccurate comments on this list, some people may thing your > right which create the problem of setting it straight in the future. > > I look forward to your twisting my message around. > > --AL Mitterling > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Shawn Alan" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:02 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be > photographedin the USA :) > > > Hi Michael, > > Thank you for your insight :) I did some research and found some articles > and was able to find an image taken by Mr. Charles M. Brown with his Kodak > Brownie . From what I can tell from the image its a photograph of the effect > of a meteor in flight showing the smoke tail which can be seen that the > image was taken after the fact of the meteor in flight in New Mexico, 1933. > Click http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N on the link and you > can see that the photograph used in the paper shows the meteors smoke tail > warping due to winds in the upper atmosphere. That would be an indication > that the meteor was out of the frame when the photograph was taken. Also > reports said that morning the sky had been covered with clouds in New > Mexico. But again I see no evidence of a photograph to show the meteor in > the frame like how you can see in Lost City :) > > Lost City on the other hand is the first meteorite fall to be photographed > to actually document the meteor in flight, click on this link and see the > difference > http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/Lost_City_meteorite.html > > > True there has been many meteors photographed but Los
[meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) correct link
Hello AL and Listers This is a re-post cause the link I provided to Michael's website which clearly shows that hes selling LOST CITY on his website as the first meteorite fall to be photographed was pasted incorrectly, here is the new one that works. http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LostCity2_668RBox.jpg AL Mitterling :) I like how you say I put words in peoples mouths, really? AL I think you might want to examine what you post and practice what you preach before you accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths. See the problem is AL, the thing that I like about science is that we deduce a conclusion through empirical evidence. Now I find it odd that the one photograph that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie in New Mexico in 1933 shows the smoke tail of the meteor to be warped from atmospheric winds, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N . AL that is a very strong indication that is an image of the result of the meteor in flight and not an actual image of the meteor in flight due to the smoke tail warping, empirical science ROKS :) AL now you know what I find that is even more odd is that Michael Blood is selling two Lost City meteorites and if you take a look at one of the meteorite he has on his website :) http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LostCity2_668RBox.jpg the ID card that he has with the meteorite clearly states that Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographer in USA. I find that Michael's earlier statement quote un quote... " However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael" .. contradicts what he is selling on his website from his previous post and clearly shows hes selling Lost City as the first meteorite fall to be photographed in USA. Empirical evidence is grand, have a great day AL :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore: http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com Sun Jul 25 13:58:40 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: NWA 6259 - a real Nickel-rich new Ataxite Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] AL Mitterling :) I like how you say I put words in peoples mouths, really? AL I think you might want to examine what you post and practice what you preach before you accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths. See the problem is AL, the thing that I like about science is that we deduce a conclusion through empirical evidence. Now I find it odd that the one photograph that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie in New Mexico in 1933 shows the smoke tail of the meteor to be warped from atmospheric winds, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N . AL that is a very strong indication that is an image of the result of the meteor in flight and not an actual image of the meteor in flight due to the smoke tail warping, empirical science ROKS :) AL now you know what I find that is even more odd is that Michael Blood is selling two Lost City meteorites and if you take a look at one of the meteorite he has on his website :) http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LostCity2_668RBox.jpg the ID card that he has with the meteorite clearly states that Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographer in USA. I find that Michael's earlier statement quote un quote... " However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael" .. contradicts what he is selling on his website from his previous post and clearly shows hes selling Lost City as the first meteorite fall to be photographed in USA. Empirical evidence is grand, have a great day AL :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore: http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) al mitt almitt at kconline.com Sun Jul 25 08:20:53 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographed in the USA :) Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Greetings Shawn, I like how you always like to twist things around, put words into peoples mouths so you are always right Shawn. The Pasamonte is one remarkable photo of a meteor exploding in flight. It isn't taken after the fact regardless of
[meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :)
AL Mitterling :) I like how you say I put words in peoples mouths, really? AL I think you might want to examine what you post and practice what you preach before you accuse me of putting words in peoples mouths. See the problem is AL, the thing that I like about science is that we deduce a conclusion through empirical evidence. Now I find it odd that the one photograph that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie in New Mexico in 1933 shows the smoke tail of the meteor to be warped from atmospheric winds, http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N . AL that is a very strong indication that is an image of the result of the meteor in flight and not an actual image of the meteor in flight due to the smoke tail warping, empirical science ROKS :) AL now you know what I find that is even more odd is that Michael Blood is selling two Lost City meteorites and if you take a look at one of the meteorite he has on his website :) http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LostCity2_668RBox.jpg the ID card that he has with the meteorite clearly states that Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographer in USA. I find that Michael's earlier statement quote un quote... " However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael" .. contradicts what he is selling on his website from his previous post and clearly shows hes selling Lost City as the first meteorite fall to be photographed in USA. Empirical evidence is grand, have a great day AL :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore: http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) al mitt almitt at kconline.com Sun Jul 25 08:20:53 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographed in the USA :) Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA 5363 UNGROUPED OR BRACHNITE Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Greetings Shawn, I like how you always like to twist things around, put words into peoples mouths so you are always right Shawn. The Pasamonte is one remarkable photo of a meteor exploding in flight. It isn't taken after the fact regardless of how you want to twist it. Michael is right. When you post inaccurate comments on this list, some people may thing your right which create the problem of setting it straight in the future. I look forward to your twisting my message around. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) Hi Michael, Thank you for your insight :) I did some research and found some articles and was able to find an image taken by Mr. Charles M. Brown with his Kodak Brownie . From what I can tell from the image its a photograph of the effect of a meteor in flight showing the smoke tail which can be seen that the image was taken after the fact of the meteor in flight in New Mexico, 1933. Click http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N on the link and you can see that the photograph used in the paper shows the meteors smoke tail warping due to winds in the upper atmosphere. That would be an indication that the meteor was out of the frame when the photograph was taken. Also reports said that morning the sky had been covered with clouds in New Mexico. But again I see no evidence of a photograph to show the meteor in the frame like how you can see in Lost City :) Lost City on the other hand is the first meteorite fall to be photographed to actually document the meteor in flight, click on this link and see the difference http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/Lost_City_meteorite.html True there has been many meteors photographed but Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight. A meteorite fall cant be a meteorite fall till its found? I can see what your comment means, but from the image I saw that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie that morning shows no indication of the meteor, only the effect of what a meteor does in flight aka smoke tail where one can see the tail warping due to upper atmosphere winds. The first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight is Pribram. I would love to get my hands on that stuff. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaySore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net Sat Jul 24 21:45:01 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list]
Re: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :)
Greetings Shawn, I like how you always like to twist things around, put words into peoples mouths so you are always right Shawn. The Pasamonte is one remarkable photo of a meteor exploding in flight. It isn't taken after the fact regardless of how you want to twist it. Michael is right. When you post inaccurate comments on this list, some people may thing your right which create the problem of setting it straight in the future. I look forward to your twisting my message around. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 12:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :) Hi Michael, Thank you for your insight :) I did some research and found some articles and was able to find an image taken by Mr. Charles M. Brown with his Kodak Brownie . From what I can tell from the image its a photograph of the effect of a meteor in flight showing the smoke tail which can be seen that the image was taken after the fact of the meteor in flight in New Mexico, 1933. Click http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N on the link and you can see that the photograph used in the paper shows the meteors smoke tail warping due to winds in the upper atmosphere. That would be an indication that the meteor was out of the frame when the photograph was taken. Also reports said that morning the sky had been covered with clouds in New Mexico. But again I see no evidence of a photograph to show the meteor in the frame like how you can see in Lost City :) Lost City on the other hand is the first meteorite fall to be photographed to actually document the meteor in flight, click on this link and see the difference http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/Lost_City_meteorite.html True there has been many meteors photographed but Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight. A meteorite fall cant be a meteorite fall till its found? I can see what your comment means, but from the image I saw that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie that morning shows no indication of the meteor, only the effect of what a meteor does in flight aka smoke tail where one can see the tail warping due to upper atmosphere winds. The first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight is Pribram. I would love to get my hands on that stuff. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaySore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net Sat Jul 24 21:45:01 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: ORGUEIL, Almahata Sitta(2008TC3), Tagish Lake, LOST CITY meteorites ending on eBay! Next message: [meteorite-list] ad - The Geology of Mars Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I am sure it was an oversight, but all your Lost City aeBay ads state it was the first fall to be photographed in the US. However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael On 7/24/10 2:40 PM, "Shawn Alan" wrote: Hello Listers, I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending soon on eBay and other great items I would like to feature for the start of the new week. Also, keep an eye out for the next few days because Ill be introducing a great historic meteorite that is a must have for every collector to add to their collection. ORGUEIL meteorite 9mg, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638585643&ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! Most amount of nanodiamonds, the diamond that fell from heaven. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638197532&ssPageName=ST RK:MESELX:IT LOST CITY meteorite-1st fall to be photographed in USA, RARE historic fall! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637779562&ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL, 3mg meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637775949&ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 LOT with fusion crust! First meteorite to be observed from space before entering Earths atmosphere. MUST HAVE. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637778682&ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT 5mg ORGUEIL meteorite LOT, very rare historic fall-1864! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637780569&ssPageName=STR K:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 26mg-nanodi
[meteorite-list] LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographed in the USA :)
Hi Michael, Thank you for your insight :) I did some research and found some articles and was able to find an image taken by Mr. Charles M. Brown with his Kodak Brownie . From what I can tell from the image its a photograph of the effect of a meteor in flight showing the smoke tail which can be seen that the image was taken after the fact of the meteor in flight in New Mexico, 1933. Click http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1934PA.42..291N on the link and you can see that the photograph used in the paper shows the meteors smoke tail warping due to winds in the upper atmosphere. That would be an indication that the meteor was out of the frame when the photograph was taken. Also reports said that morning the sky had been covered with clouds in New Mexico. But again I see no evidence of a photograph to show the meteor in the frame like how you can see in Lost City :) Lost City on the other hand is the first meteorite fall to be photographed to actually document the meteor in flight, click on this link and see the difference http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/L/Lost_City_meteorite.html True there has been many meteors photographed but Lost City is the first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight. A meteorite fall cant be a meteorite fall till its found? I can see what your comment means, but from the image I saw that Mr. Charles M. Brown took with his Kodak Brownie that morning shows no indication of the meteor, only the effect of what a meteor does in flight aka smoke tail where one can see the tail warping due to upper atmosphere winds. The first meteorite fall to be photographed which shows the meteor in flight is Pribram. I would love to get my hands on that stuff. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaySore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] LOST CITY Michael Blood mlblood at cox.net Sat Jul 24 21:45:01 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: ORGUEIL, Almahata Sitta(2008TC3), Tagish Lake, LOST CITY meteorites ending on eBay! Next message: [meteorite-list] ad - The Geology of Mars Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I am sure it was an oversight, but all your Lost City aeBay ads state it was the first fall to be photographed in the US. However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael On 7/24/10 2:40 PM, "Shawn Alan" wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending soon on eBay and other > great items I would like to feature for the start of the new week. Also, keep > an eye out for the next few days because Ill be introducing a great > historic meteorite that is a must have for every collector to add to their > collection. > > > ORGUEIL meteorite 9mg, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638585643&ssPageName=STR > > K:MESELX:IT > > > TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! Most amount of nanodiamonds, > the diamond that fell from heaven. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638197532&ssPageName=ST > RK:MESELX:IT > > > LOST CITY meteorite-1st fall to be photographed in USA, RARE historic fall! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637779562&ssPageName=STR > > K:MESELX:IT > > > ORGUEIL, 3mg meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637775949&ssPageName=STR > > K:MESELX:IT > > > ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 LOT with fusion crust! First meteorite to be > observed from space before entering Earths atmosphere. MUST HAVE. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637778682&ssPageName=STR > > K:MESELX:IT > > > 5mg ORGUEIL meteorite LOT, very rare historic fall-1864! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637780569&ssPageName=STR > > K:MESELX:IT > > > TAGISH LAKE meteorite 26mg-nanodiamonds present, rare!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638200091&ssPageName=STR > > K:MESELX:IT > > > TAGISH LAKE meteorite 100mg LOT- nanodiamonds, rare!!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260626414036&ssPageName=STR > > K:MESELX:IT > > > For other great items for every budget, please to a look at my eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_i
Re: [meteorite-list] LOST CITY
Hi Shawn, I am sure it was an oversight, but all your Lost City aeBay ads state it was the first fall to be photographed in the US. However, I think what you meant to say is that it was the first found due to photographing the bolide. The bolide of Pasamonte was photographed in 1933. Best wishes, Michael On 7/24/10 2:40 PM, "Shawn Alan" wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I have some great rare and historic meteorites ending soon on eBay and other > great items I would like to feature for the start of the new week. Also, keep > an eye out for the next few days because Ill be introducing a great > historic meteorite that is a must have for every collector to add to their > collection. > > > ORGUEIL meteorite 9mg, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638585643&ssPageName=STR > K:MESELX:IT > > > TAGISH LAKE meteorite with fusion crust, rare!!! Most amount of nanodiamonds, > the diamond that fell from heaven. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638197532&ssPageName=ST > RK:MESELX:IT > > > LOST CITY meteorite-1st fall to be photographed in USA, RARE historic fall! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637779562&ssPageName=STR > K:MESELX:IT > > > ORGUEIL, 3mg meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637775949&ssPageName=STR > K:MESELX:IT > > > ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 LOT with fusion crust! First meteorite to be > observed from space before entering Earths atmosphere. MUST HAVE. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637778682&ssPageName=STR > K:MESELX:IT > > > 5mg ORGUEIL meteorite LOT, very rare historic fall-1864! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260637780569&ssPageName=STR > K:MESELX:IT > > > TAGISH LAKE meteorite 26mg-nanodiamonds present, rare!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260638200091&ssPageName=STR > K:MESELX:IT > > > TAGISH LAKE meteorite 100mg LOT- nanodiamonds, rare!!! > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260626414036&ssPageName=STR > K:MESELX:IT > > > For other great items for every budget, please to a look at my eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p43 > 40 > > > Lastly, I would like to say it again, ill be introducing a great historic > meteorite fall in the next few days which will be a great add to any > collection on eBay. > > > Thank you > Shawn Alan > IMCA 1633 > eBaystore > http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p43 > 40 > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] lost city
Hello list.I am sorry to see all the bickering again.It is a shame to continue all the bantering when the list itself is having problems getting out on a regular basis.Well to my point.I am looking for a small piece of LOST CITY.If anyone has any let me know off list.Thanks for the time. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lost city meteorite value?
Hello Martin and Matt, I guess, in several aspects, the LOST CITY meteorite fall is comparable with the meteorite fall of NEUSCHWANSTEIN, which is also a national treasure for Bavaria and Germany. In case of Neuschwanstein, 35 years of funded work have been necessary to get this photographically captured fireball and more than one year to find the three meteorites, that were recovered so far. A small portion of the EL6 chondrite Neuschwanstein found it's way to the meteorite market and was sold for prices between 250 $/g and 375 $/g, depending of size and special features (fusion crust, inclusions). Maybe this would be a good base for further discussions regarding the value of the Lost City meteorite. Cheers Dieter P.S. There is no need to discuss the value of PRIBRAM or INNISFREE, since these photographed falls are virtually NOT available. - Original Message - From: "Martin Horejsi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Meteorite-List" Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] lost city meteorite value? Hi Matt, Sorry to post to all, but I think this is a good stimulus for discussion on meteorite prices, especially since there was a deliberate and large cost in the recovery of Lost City. In a way, I consider this particular meteorite somewhat of a national treasure because it too 10 years of funded work to capture its fall on film, and another couple of weeks to find the stone. Further, the majority of the masses are on display in the US National Museum. So what is it worth per gram? Good question. Cheers, Martin On 2/18/06, Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any ideas on what a slice of this meteorite would be worth per g? > No need to post directly to the list. Thanks! > > -- > <><><><><> > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > http://www.mrmeteorite.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > eBay user id: mhmeteorites > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lost city meteorite value?
Hi Matt, Sorry to post to all, but I think this is a good stimulus for discussion on meteorite prices, especially since there was a deliberate and large cost in the recovery of Lost City. In a way, I consider this particular meteorite somewhat of a national treasure because it too 10 years of funded work to capture its fall on film, and another couple of weeks to find the stone. Further, the majority of the masses are on display in the US National Museum. So what is it worth per gram? Good question. Cheers, Martin On 2/18/06, Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Any ideas on what a slice of this meteorite would be worth per g? > No need to post directly to the list. Thanks! > > -- > <><><><><> > Matt Morgan > Mile High Meteorites > http://www.mhmeteorites.com > http://www.mrmeteorite.com > P.O. Box 151293 > Lakewood, CO 80215 USA > eBay user id: mhmeteorites > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] lost city meteorite value?
Any ideas on what a slice of this meteorite would be worth per g? No need to post directly to the list. Thanks! -- <><><><><> Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com http://www.mrmeteorite.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA eBay user id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost City and Zagami
Hi all, I have a 72mg micro of the famous Lost City meteorite (calculated orbit) left for trade. If someone is interested and has a micro of the Pribram meteorite or the Innisfree meteorite (also calculated orbits) for trade please contact me (pics on request). I also have a Zagami 74mg micro left, which I want to trade for a martian meteorite micro. Currently I am looking for pieces of Shergotty, NWA 1669, NWA 2626, NWA 3171 or Lafayette. Cheers, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost City
Susan wrote: "I'm trying to find out where the Lost City, Chero- kee Co., Ok fall on Jan 3, 1970 ended up." => In the Smithsonian' s National Museum of Natural History "... it might be nice to get a picture for her." => See Martin Horejsi's "Accretion Desk" in the August 2003 issue of MeteoriteTimes for a color photo! This is the link: http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2003/August/ A picture of the fireball as well as a b&w picture of the Lost City meteorite can be seen in O.R. Norton's Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites, p. 30. Best wishes, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost City, OK meteorite?
Does anyone have a piece of the Lost City, OK meteorite for sale? Anita -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MARK BOSTICK Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay AD: 750+ Auctions plus FREE Meteorites A to Z(2nd) Offer... Hello list, I have a bunch of ebay auctions going right nowover 750so I thought I would be kind...:-)...and provide different links to a couple items of interest. A nice oriented Sikhote with rim and flow lines...started at $0.01 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2294341090 Super-Thin Imilac slice 11.1 grams, but more surface area then most slices 2 or 3 times the weight. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2294553740 Or just check out all of my auctions... http://stores.ebay.com/meteoritearticles Also, for the next month I will be offering a FREE Meteorites A to Z Second Edition with a $100 purchase from my website. This is a must have for anyone interested in meteorites. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lost city or eagles nest
Martin, Good prices but your pieces are a bit small. Don't you have any larger ones? ;>) Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "STEVE ARNOLD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] lost city or eagles nest > Hi Steve, > > I have complete slices of both. > > Lost City is 88g and I might sell it for $50,000 > and the 12.5g Eagles Nest will be $15,000 > or both for $64,000. > > No Paypal though. > > Cheers, > > Martin > > > > - Original Message - > From: STEVE ARNOLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thursday, January 2, 2003 9:03 pm > Subject: [meteorite-list] lost city or eagles nest > > > > > Does anyone have any eagle's nest or lost city meteorites forsale? > > > > > > > > Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 > > > > The midwest meteorite collector! > > > > I.M.C.A. member #6728 > > > > Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > > > > > > > - > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now > > > __ > Meteorite-list mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] lost city or eagles nest
Hi Steve, I have complete slices of both. Lost City is 88g and I might sell it for $50,000 and the 12.5g Eagles Nest will be $15,000 or both for $64,000. No Paypal though. Cheers, Martin - Original Message - From: STEVE ARNOLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thursday, January 2, 2003 9:03 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] lost city or eagles nest > > Does anyone have any eagle's nest or lost city meteorites forsale? > > > > Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 > > The midwest meteorite collector! > > I.M.C.A. member #6728 > > Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] lost city or eagles nest
Does anyone have any eagle's nest or lost city meteorites forsale?Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
