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[Peter Marmet via Meteorite-list]

Great read! Thank you for the link, Stephen!

Cheers,
Peter


> Am 22.12.2018 um 08:38 schrieb Stephen Corcoran via Meteorite-list 
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> 
> If you are aware of ANSMET or the Author Barry Lopez, you might find this 
> article interesting. Article relates to an ANSMET trip from 1998/99. Note you 
> only get one free view a month to read articles on Haper's website. Enjoy. 
> Stephen
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[MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list]

Thanks Doug,
Got to really dig into this paper to make sense of the conclusion which is only 
speculative and needs 
to be further evaluated for positive confirmation bias and field and lab work 
around the world.  It was 
quite top heavy on analysis which appears well done!

The authors, or maybe it was the press, used the study's 270 kg dissolved 
sample of well-characterized 
"chronostratigraphic" sediments from a Russian deposit in the study which got 
approved for publication 
in the prestigious journal, "Nature", if I read it correctly.  

It would have been more rigorous for my taste if it had been reviewed by MAPS 
editors, or the like, where the focus
 would have been more on interpretation, than on methodology.  Just my opinion, 
as both are important.  
It is an interesting subject - do we call it paleo-meteoritics? Getting any 
paper into Nature deserves congrats
for sure but I expected to be more awed from their editorial staff choices.  
Luckily no one told that to the Alvarez'.

In the end the conclusion is that ordinary chondrites used to be a 
significantly lower proportion of finds, nearly a 
half billion years ago according to the results of their study.  Then 466 mya 
that all changed with the disruption
of an L parent body.  I didn't notice special mention of H- or L-chondrites, so 
the assumption IMO is that that another
event happened recently.  None of this seems remarkably insightful but perhaps 
the authors point of view is 
that here's a smattering of evidence that confirms the idea that the ratios of 
meteorite classes will vary throughout 
geological ages which is nice when things make sense and people begin to 
dimension it with the 'fossil' record.

Kindest wishes
Doug

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Hi Doug,

Here is a link to the original paper:

http://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-016-0035

"Our data show that the meteorite flux has varied over geological time as 
asteroid disruptions create new fragment populations that then slowly fade away 
from collisional and dynamical evolution. The current flux favours disruption 
events that are larger, younger and/or highly efficient at delivering material 
to Earth."

Cheers from the “other” Doug,

Doug Ross







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[Doug Ross via Meteorite-list]

Hi Doug,

Here is a link to the original paper:

http://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-016-0035

"Our data show that the meteorite flux has varied over geological time as 
asteroid disruptions create new fragment populations that then slowly fade away 
from collisional and dynamical evolution. The current flux favours disruption 
events that are larger, younger and/or highly efficient at delivering material 
to Earth."

Cheers from the “other” Doug,

Doug Ross






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[MEM via Meteorite-list]

AS I understod it, Doug they did an isotope /element count(?) of a breccia 
known as the Buttermere Formation believing it to be composed of bombarded 
Earth Rock. I didn't catch that the age was Ordovician but I might have missed 
that. I do not know the time span nor if their are any other contemporaneous 
exposures that show a similar collection of apparently extraterrestrial 
material.  I only scanned the article quickly but did look up the formation--it 
is near the Wales England border.  Be it remembered that all of the UK isles 
are a hodgepodge of sutured pieces of rocks terranes covering recent to very 
ancient.  Buttermere's original plate is long gone.

I've done a lot of work in Ordovician rocks and haven't seen any sign.  I have 
run into 4 sites in  Carboniferous material that I am fairly sure were fossil 
meteorites.  Once, I found a series of nodule cavities on a ripple marked 
sandstone boulder which I took photos of but, when I returned with a diamond 
saw to retrieve them the boulder had been moved to the crusher.

Regards,
Elton






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"Rare meteorites common in the Ordovician period"

Ordovician meteorite hunters must have been brachiopods (Team Brachinite).  

Do the authors understand or speculate how different the absolute "flux" was 
for achondrites, for anyone reading this?

In other words, are the ordinary chondrites just less common 467 mya making 
this a better title:

"Common meteorites rare in the Ordovician period"
"
Big difference ... Otherwise the hypothesis is sensible ... that through the 
ages the relative frequency of meteorite types goes up and down depending on 
the latest collisions and shipping lanes ...

Cheers
Doug


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http://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-016-0035


Regards!

Tom

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[MexicoDoug via Meteorite-list]

"Rare meteorites common in the Ordovician period"

Ordovician meteorite hunters must have been brachiopods (Team Brachinite).  

Do the authors understand or speculate how different the absolute "flux" was 
for achondrites, for anyone reading this?

In other words, are the ordinary chondrites just less common 467 mya making 
this a better title:

"Common meteorites rare in the Ordovician period"
"
Big difference ... Otherwise the hypothesis is sensible ... that through the 
ages the relative frequency of meteorite types goes up and down depending on 
the latest collisions and shipping lanes ...

Cheers
Doug


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http://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-016-0035


Regards!

Tom

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[Michael Blood]

Brilliant! 

Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] off subject but interesting; way off list

[Dick Lipke]

Thanks Larry,

I've been into UFOs from about age 8 or 9. 
Sad thing is even though I have always firmly believed in the highly
advanced visiting and exploring astronauts,ancient or other wise,I have
come to accept the idea that most likely I will never in my short remaining
life time actually be able to see the beyond all doubt evidence come to light. 
I hope I'm wrong.  

   Richard Lipke

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 Richard:
 
 For those into UFOs, this sure looks like a UFO sighting!
 
 http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=67475
 
 Larry
 
  I was looking for some desktop back ground with meteors, meteorites
  and
  astronomy in mind when I found this
  painting from the early 1700's on Wikipedia.
  Let your imagination run and soar into the heavens and beyond.
 
 
   http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ABattesimo_di_Cristo%22_1710.jpg
 
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[MexicoDoug]

Hi Ufologists;

Well, rather than sitting around doing nothing about it, we can either 
become leaders or do as followers have since time immorial, sing.


Geek music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vioZf4TjoUIt=1m12s

( and my favorite, with the meteorite strike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ige2YBBJeh4 )

I have come to accept the idea that most likely I will never in my 
short remaining


Well, at least we are rolling in Unclassified Falling Objects ;-)

be able to see the beyond all doubt evidence come to light.

Watching Jodie Foster in Contact can help fill the void!

IMO no need to wait for the light to come to the mountain; we can 
always send some light to vast universe and do something about it.


Humans basically sit home in bed motionless with this responsibility 
except a scant few from whom others assume will provide all direction 
for the species; after all, that 'evidence' we oblige other of 
spacefaring or spacecommunicating cultures to provide to us demands we 
reciprocally act in kind.


Our, that is the efforts of the tiny few, while impressive feats for 
a handful of individuals, in the big picture, are miniscule.


If we are representative of others in the galaxy or local and nearby 
neighborhoods, forget about it..., after going through the alien 
monsters are out to get us phase, we support such lame efforts, if 
indicative of the other creatures out there, we can forget about some 
other intelligence wasting its time or energy to reach here.


Carl Sagan, R.I.P.

Kindest wishes
Doug



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Thanks Larry,

I've been into UFOs from about age 8 or 9.
Sad thing is even though I have always firmly believed in the highly
advanced visiting and exploring astronauts,ancient or other wise,I have
come to accept the idea that most likely I will never in my short 
remaining
life time actually be able to see the beyond all doubt evidence come to 
light.

I hope I'm wrong.

  Richard Lipke

- Original Message -

Richard:

For those into UFOs, this sure looks like a UFO sighting!

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=67475

Larry

 I was looking for some desktop back ground with meteors, meteorites
 and
 astronomy in mind when I found this
 painting from the early 1700's on Wikipedia.
 Let your imagination run and soar into the heavens and beyond.


  

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File%3ABattesimo_di_Cristo%22_1710.jpg


 Richard Lipke
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[Sergey Vasiliev]

Hi Pete, all,

Actually I made a website where I started to upload my own books collection.
But the idea is that anybody can share here their prints too.
http://books.sv-meteorites.com

Will need some time to finish with my books but can make a website working
for everybody later if this idea will be interesting.

Regards,
Sergey


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Excellent idea, Gary!

It would be nice if we had a central storage site where this type of
historic data could be saved and easily shared.



I've got the Encyclopedia Britannica Ninth Edition, 1890, kicking around
here somewhere.

I'll follow your lead and try to scan anything relevant and post it.

I think aerolite, bolide, and pallasite entries in old publications would be
interesting, too.



Cheers,

Pete


 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:54:07 -0500
 From: g...@webbers.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

 Thought you all might be interested in the 1957 Encyclopedia Britannica
 entry for 'Meteorites'. Click the pictures on the webpage for full size
 readable photos of the EB pages and closeups of most of the plates. My
 battery ran out before I got them all.


http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/encyclopedia-britannica-1957-meteorites.ht
ml

 Enjoy the time capsule,

 Gary
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[Pete Pete]

Excellent idea, Gary!

It would be nice if we had a central storage site where this type of historic 
data could be saved and easily shared.

 

I've got the Encyclopedia Britannica Ninth Edition, 1890, kicking around here 
somewhere. 

I'll follow your lead and try to scan anything relevant and post it.

I think aerolite, bolide, and pallasite entries in old publications would be 
interesting, too.

 

Cheers,

Pete


 Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2012 22:54:07 -0500
 From: g...@webbers.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
 
 Thought you all might be interested in the 1957 Encyclopedia Britannica
 entry for 'Meteorites'. Click the pictures on the webpage for full size
 readable photos of the EB pages and closeups of most of the plates. My
 battery ran out before I got them all.
 
 http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/encyclopedia-britannica-1957-meteorites.html
 
 Enjoy the time capsule,
 
 Gary
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[Count Deiro]

I believe it was Clemens (Mark Twain) that said something along the lines of  
believe none of what you read and half of what you see.

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536 

-Original Message-
From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net
Sent: Jun 2, 2011 4:58 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible meteorite found in Newport,   
Arkansas Area

In “Possible meteorite found in Newport, Arkansas Area”,  
http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2011-June/077048.html ,
McCartney Taylor wrote,

“The reporter confirmed that the confirmation of a meteorwrong 
won't make the paper.”

Unfortunately, this is typical of newspapers in general. Newspapers 
love to write articles about some spectacular claim of either some 
discovery or finding. Then, when the claim is discredited as being 
completely wrong, the newspaper commonly ignores it because 
the truth of the matter is quite boring.

My favorite example is a reported by the now defunct “State Times,”
of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, which reported on January 9, 1951, that 
the bones of a 11-foot Neanderthal Man was found in a gravel pit
in Sicily Island. The Baton Rouge “Morning Advocate” reported on 
January 9, 1951 that  a ”... gravel contractor unearthed parts of a 
human skeleton 35 feet from the surface of the ground...” in a 
Sicily Island gravel pit . As documented in (Arata and Harmann, 
1966), these fossils were later examined by vertebrate 
paleontologists and found to be the bones of a Pleistocene bear.
Nothing appeared in either paper about this finding.

Therefore, a person has to be careful of reports of meteorite
finds and other spectacular discoveries reported in newspaper.

References cited:

Arata, A. A., and G. L. Harmann. 1966, Fossil Ursus reported as 
early man in Louisiana. Tulane Studies in Geology. vol.. 4, no. 2, 
pp. 75-77

Yours,

Paul H.
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[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Mike and Gang,

Facebook is quickly turning into a nexus of meteorite activity.
Collectors, dealers, hunters, scientists, and curious onlookers.
It's also ripe for virtual outreach.  I get questions almost every day
from people who know nothing about meteorites, and they are keen to
learn more.  I try to answer the majority of them.  Of course, there
are also more of the types who send messages like - here is my new
lunar meteorite that I found in Utah, what is it worth and do you want
to buy it? , and the message is accompanied by the obligatory
blurry-photo of a lump of hematite or a terrestrial conglomerate.
But all in all, it's a very good place to network and meet new
people who may later turn into collectors or hunters.  And from a
dealer standpoint, Facebook is now mandatory.  If you are a dealer,
and you do not have an active FB presence, then you are surely losing
potential sales.  Used correctly, FB can be a lucrative marketplace
and it charges zero fees.  :)

Best regards,

MikeG

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[countdeiro]

Thanks Shawn,

Excellent post. If accepted...these definitions will bring about a 
standardization in description that was sorely needed in some quarters. 
Particularly in the trading of micro-meteorites and smaller material. 

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536 

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite and meteoroid: New comprehensive  
definitions second part of the artical

Hello List

Here is the second part of the artical

Meteorite and meteoroid: New comprehensive definitions 

by 
Alan E. RUBIN1* and Jeffrey N. GROSSMAN2 

1Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of California, Los 
Angeles, California 90095–1567, USA 
2U.S. Geological Survey, 954 National Center, Reston, Virginia 20192, USA 
*Corresponding author. E-mail: aerubin at ucla.edu 
(Received 05 May 2009; revision accepted 14 September 2009) 


There are more practical reasons that can be used
to select the best upper size cutoff for micrometeorites
and micrometeoroids. Meteorites have long been
recognized as rare, special kinds of rocks. The practice
of naming individual meteorites after the places where
they were found is based on this special status.
Generally, to receive a name, a meteorite must be well
classified and large enough to provide material for
curation and research. Much of the material that
forms meteorites in the inner solar system is relatively
coarse grained. Many chondrites and nearly all
achondrites and iron-rich meteorites have mineral grain
sizes that exceed 100 lm. Although in many cases it is
possible to classify small particles of meteoritic
material at least tentatively, this process is greatly
hindered when the particle size is significantly smaller
than the parental rock’s grain size. To allow for
proper classification, 2 mm is a more useful size cutoff
than 100 lm. In addition, the number of objects that
accrete to the Earth (and other bodies) varies
exponentially with the inverse of mass (e.g., Brown
1960, 1961; Huss 1990; Bland et al. 1996). Single
expeditions to recover micrometeorites have found
thousands of particles in the sub-millimeter size range
(Rochette et al. 2008), but very few that exceed 2 mm.
The 2 mm divide also seems to form an approximate
break between the smallest objects that have
historically been called meteorites and the largest
objects called micrometeorites. This leads to additional
refinements to our definitions:

Micrometeorites are meteorites smaller than 2 mm in
diameter; micrometeoroids are meteoroids smaller
than 2 mm in diameter; objects smaller than 10 lm
are dust particles.

By this definition, IDPs are particles smaller than
10 lm. We are not proposing a lower size limit for IDPs.
Before it impacted the Earth, object 2008 TC3 was
approximately 4 m across and was officially classified as
an asteroid (Jenniskens et al. 2009). It is likely that
when smaller interplanetary objects are observed
telescopically, they will also be called asteroids, even if
they are of sub-meter size. Thus, the boundary between
meteoroids and asteroids is soft and will only shrink
with improved observational capabilities. For the
minimum asteroid size. We thus differ from Beech and
Steel (1995) who suggested a 10 m cutoff between
meteoroids and asteroids.

The Relationship between Meteorites and Meteoroids
It is tempting to include in our definition of
meteorite a statement that meteorites originate as
meteoroids, which, using our modified definition are
natural solid objects moving in space, with a size less that
1 m, but larger than 10 lm; this was done in previous
definitions such as that of McSween (1987). However,
because the Hoba iron meteorite is larger than 1 m
across, it represents a fragment of an asteroid, not a
meteoroid, under our definition of meteoroid. If a mass
of iron 12 m in diameter deriving from an asteroidal
core were to be found on Earth or another celestial
body, it would almost certainly be called a meteorite,
despite the fact that it was too large to have originated
as a meteoroid even under the Beech and Steel (1995)
definition. In addition, the Canyon Diablo iron
meteorites associated with the Barringer (Meteor)
Crater in Arizona, are fragments of an impacting
asteroid that was several tens of meters in diameter
(e.g., Roddy et al. 1980); the Morokweng chondrite may
be a fragment of a kilometer-size asteroid that created
the 70 km Morokweng crater in South Africa (Maier
et al. 2006).

Comets, particularly Jupiter-family comets (JFCs),
could also produce meteorites. A small fraction of JFCs
evolve into near-Earth objects (Levison and Duncan
1997) and could impact main-belt asteroids at relatively
low velocities (approximately 5 km s)1) (Campins and
Swindle 1998). Meteorites could also be derived from
moons around planetary bodies. Lunar meteorites are
well known on Earth, and meteorites derived from
Phobos may impact Mars, especially after 

Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Galactic Stone Ironworks]

Hi List,

Excellent paper and a great read.

If Mr. Rubin or Grossman are reading this reply, may I have permission
to quote portions of this article (the definitions) to another list
for newbies?

Best regards,

MikeG


On 4/4/10, countde...@earthlink.net countde...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Thanks Shawn,

 Excellent post. If accepted...these definitions will bring about a
 standardization in description that was sorely needed in some quarters.
 Particularly in the trading of micro-meteorites and smaller material.

 Count Deiro
 IMCA 3536

 -Original Message-
From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
Sent: Apr 4, 2010 3:14 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite and meteoroid: New
 comprehensivedefinitions second part of the artical

Hello List

Here is the second part of the artical

Meteorite and meteoroid: New comprehensive definitions

by
Alan E. RUBIN1* and Jeffrey N. GROSSMAN2

1Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of California,
 Los Angeles, California 90095–1567, USA
2U.S. Geological Survey, 954 National Center, Reston, Virginia 20192, USA
*Corresponding author. E-mail: aerubin at ucla.edu
(Received 05 May 2009; revision accepted 14 September 2009)


There are more practical reasons that can be used
to select the best upper size cutoff for micrometeorites
and micrometeoroids. Meteorites have long been
recognized as rare, special kinds of rocks. The practice
of naming individual meteorites after the places where
they were found is based on this special status.
Generally, to receive a name, a meteorite must be well
classified and large enough to provide material for
curation and research. Much of the material that
forms meteorites in the inner solar system is relatively
coarse grained. Many chondrites and nearly all
achondrites and iron-rich meteorites have mineral grain
sizes that exceed 100 lm. Although in many cases it is
possible to classify small particles of meteoritic
material at least tentatively, this process is greatly
hindered when the particle size is significantly smaller
than the parental rock’s grain size. To allow for
proper classification, 2 mm is a more useful size cutoff
than 100 lm. In addition, the number of objects that
accrete to the Earth (and other bodies) varies
exponentially with the inverse of mass (e.g., Brown
1960, 1961; Huss 1990; Bland et al. 1996). Single
expeditions to recover micrometeorites have found
thousands of particles in the sub-millimeter size range
(Rochette et al. 2008), but very few that exceed 2 mm.
The 2 mm divide also seems to form an approximate
break between the smallest objects that have
historically been called meteorites and the largest
objects called micrometeorites. This leads to additional
refinements to our definitions:

Micrometeorites are meteorites smaller than 2 mm in
diameter; micrometeoroids are meteoroids smaller
than 2 mm in diameter; objects smaller than 10 lm
are dust particles.

By this definition, IDPs are particles smaller than
10 lm. We are not proposing a lower size limit for IDPs.
Before it impacted the Earth, object 2008 TC3 was
approximately 4 m across and was officially classified as
an asteroid (Jenniskens et al. 2009). It is likely that
when smaller interplanetary objects are observed
telescopically, they will also be called asteroids, even if
they are of sub-meter size. Thus, the boundary between
meteoroids and asteroids is soft and will only shrink
with improved observational capabilities. For the
minimum asteroid size. We thus differ from Beech and
Steel (1995) who suggested a 10 m cutoff between
meteoroids and asteroids.

The Relationship between Meteorites and Meteoroids
It is tempting to include in our definition of
meteorite a statement that meteorites originate as
meteoroids, which, using our modified definition are
natural solid objects moving in space, with a size less that
1 m, but larger than 10 lm; this was done in previous
definitions such as that of McSween (1987). However,
because the Hoba iron meteorite is larger than 1 m
across, it represents a fragment of an asteroid, not a
meteoroid, under our definition of meteoroid. If a mass
of iron 12 m in diameter deriving from an asteroidal
core were to be found on Earth or another celestial
body, it would almost certainly be called a meteorite,
despite the fact that it was too large to have originated
as a meteoroid even under the Beech and Steel (1995)
definition. In addition, the Canyon Diablo iron
meteorites associated with the Barringer (Meteor)
Crater in Arizona, are fragments of an impacting
asteroid that was several tens of meters in diameter
(e.g., Roddy et al. 1980); the Morokweng chondrite may
be a fragment of a kilometer-size asteroid that created
the 70 km Morokweng crater in South Africa (Maier
et al. 2006).

Comets, particularly Jupiter-family comets (JFCs),
could also produce meteorites. A small fraction of JFCs
evolve into near-Earth objects (Levison and Duncan
1997) and could 

Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Shawn Alan]

Hello Count and Listers,

Yes it would be intersting to see if something comes of this.You brought up 
something good when you said.  

Particularly in the trading of micro-meteorites and smaller material.

Now is that trading mirco meteorites that have TKW or mirco meteroites from 
taken from bigger meteorites? 

Shawn Alan

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countdeiro at earthlink.net countdeiro at earthlink.net 
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Thanks Shawn, 

Excellent post. If accepted...these definitions will bring about a 
standardization in description that was sorely needed in some quarters. 
Particularly in the trading of micro-meteorites and smaller material. 

Count Deiro 
IMCA 3536 

-Original Message- 

From: Shawn Alan photophlow at yahoo.com 

Sent: Apr 4, 2010 3:14 AM 

To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com 

Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite and meteoroid: New comprehensive 
definitions second part of the artical 

 

Hello List 

 

Here is the second part of the artical 

 

Meteorite and meteoroid: New comprehensive definitions 

 

by 

Alan E. RUBIN1* and Jeffrey N. GROSSMAN2 

 

1Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of California, Los 
Angeles, California 90095–1567, USA 

2U.S. Geological Survey, 954 National Center, Reston, Virginia 20192, USA 

*Corresponding author. E-mail: aerubin at ucla.edu 

(Received 05 May 2009; revision accepted 14 September 2009) 

 

 

There are more practical reasons that can be used 

to select the best upper size cutoff for micrometeorites 

and micrometeoroids. Meteorites have long been 

recognized as rare, special kinds of rocks. The practice 

of naming individual meteorites after the places where 

they were found is based on this special status. 

Generally, to receive a name, a meteorite must be well 

classified and large enough to provide material for 

curation and research. Much of the material that 

forms meteorites in the inner solar system is relatively 

coarse grained. Many chondrites and nearly all 

achondrites and iron-rich meteorites have mineral grain 

sizes that exceed 100 lm. Although in many cases it is 

possible to classify small particles of meteoritic 

material at least tentatively, this process is greatly 

hindered when the particle size is significantly smaller 

than the parental rock’s grain size. To allow for 

proper classification, 2 mm is a more useful size cutoff 

than 100 lm. In addition, the number of objects that 

accrete to the Earth (and other bodies) varies 

exponentially with the inverse of mass (e.g., Brown 

1960, 1961; Huss 1990; Bland et al. 1996). Single 

expeditions to recover micrometeorites have found 

thousands of particles in the sub-millimeter size range 

(Rochette et al. 2008), but very few that exceed 2 mm. 

The 2 mm divide also seems to form an approximate 

break between the smallest objects that have 

historically been called meteorites and the largest 

objects called micrometeorites. This leads to additional 

refinements to our definitions: 

 

Micrometeorites are meteorites smaller than 2 mm in 

diameter; micrometeoroids are meteoroids smaller 

than 2 mm in diameter; objects smaller than 10 lm 

are dust particles. 

 

By this definition, IDPs are particles smaller than 

10 lm. We are not proposing a lower size limit for IDPs. 

Before it impacted the Earth, object 2008 TC3 was 

approximately 4 m across and was officially classified as 

an asteroid (Jenniskens et al. 2009). It is likely that 

when smaller interplanetary objects are observed 

telescopically, they will also be called asteroids, even if 

they are of sub-meter size. Thus, the boundary between 

meteoroids and asteroids is soft and will only shrink 

with improved observational capabilities. For the 

minimum asteroid size. We thus differ from Beech and 

Steel (1995) who suggested a 10 m cutoff between 

meteoroids and asteroids. 

 

The Relationship between Meteorites and Meteoroids 

It is tempting to include in our definition of 

meteorite a statement that meteorites originate as 

meteoroids, which, using our modified definition are 

natural solid objects moving in space, with a size less that 

1 m, but larger than 10 lm; this was done in previous 

definitions such as that of McSween (1987). However, 

because the Hoba iron meteorite is larger than 1 m 

across, it represents a fragment of an asteroid, not a 

meteoroid, under our definition of meteoroid. If a mass 

of iron 12 m in diameter deriving from an asteroidal 

core were to be found on Earth or another celestial 

body, it would almost certainly be called a meteorite, 

despite the fact that it 

Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[lebofsky]

Hi Mike:

These are good definitions for things on Earth (meteorites, etc.), but
once one talks about things in orbit around the Sun, this is in the
purview of the IAU and they already have (not so perfect) definitions for
small Solar System bodies.

As I said previously, I would be hard-pressed to call anything larger than
1 meter an asteroid.

Larry

 Hi List,

 Excellent paper and a great read.

 If Mr. Rubin or Grossman are reading this reply, may I have permission
 to quote portions of this article (the definitions) to another list
 for newbies?

 Best regards,

 MikeG


 On 4/4/10, countde...@earthlink.net countde...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Thanks Shawn,

 Excellent post. If accepted...these definitions will bring about a
 standardization in description that was sorely needed in some quarters.
 Particularly in the trading of micro-meteorites and smaller material.

 Count Deiro
 IMCA 3536

 -Original Message-
From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
Sent: Apr 4, 2010 3:14 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite and meteoroid: New
 comprehensive   definitions second part of the artical

Hello List

Here is the second part of the artical

Meteorite and meteoroid: New comprehensive definitions

by
Alan E. RUBIN1* and Jeffrey N. GROSSMAN2

1Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics, University of
 California,
 Los Angeles, California 90095–1567, USA
2U.S. Geological Survey, 954 National Center, Reston, Virginia 20192,
 USA
*Corresponding author. E-mail: aerubin at ucla.edu
(Received 05 May 2009; revision accepted 14 September 2009)


There are more practical reasons that can be used
to select the best upper size cutoff for micrometeorites
and micrometeoroids. Meteorites have long been
recognized as rare, special kinds of rocks. The practice
of naming individual meteorites after the places where
they were found is based on this special status.
Generally, to receive a name, a meteorite must be well
classified and large enough to provide material for
curation and research. Much of the material that
forms meteorites in the inner solar system is relatively
coarse grained. Many chondrites and nearly all
achondrites and iron-rich meteorites have mineral grain
sizes that exceed 100 lm. Although in many cases it is
possible to classify small particles of meteoritic
material at least tentatively, this process is greatly
hindered when the particle size is significantly smaller
than the parental rock’s grain size. To allow for
proper classification, 2 mm is a more useful size cutoff
than 100 lm. In addition, the number of objects that
accrete to the Earth (and other bodies) varies
exponentially with the inverse of mass (e.g., Brown
1960, 1961; Huss 1990; Bland et al. 1996). Single
expeditions to recover micrometeorites have found
thousands of particles in the sub-millimeter size range
(Rochette et al. 2008), but very few that exceed 2 mm.
The 2 mm divide also seems to form an approximate
break between the smallest objects that have
historically been called meteorites and the largest
objects called micrometeorites. This leads to additional
refinements to our definitions:

Micrometeorites are meteorites smaller than 2 mm in
diameter; micrometeoroids are meteoroids smaller
than 2 mm in diameter; objects smaller than 10 lm
are dust particles.

By this definition, IDPs are particles smaller than
10 lm. We are not proposing a lower size limit for IDPs.
Before it impacted the Earth, object 2008 TC3 was
approximately 4 m across and was officially classified as
an asteroid (Jenniskens et al. 2009). It is likely that
when smaller interplanetary objects are observed
telescopically, they will also be called asteroids, even if
they are of sub-meter size. Thus, the boundary between
meteoroids and asteroids is soft and will only shrink
with improved observational capabilities. For the
minimum asteroid size. We thus differ from Beech and
Steel (1995) who suggested a 10 m cutoff between
meteoroids and asteroids.

The Relationship between Meteorites and Meteoroids
It is tempting to include in our definition of
meteorite a statement that meteorites originate as
meteoroids, which, using our modified definition are
natural solid objects moving in space, with a size less that
1 m, but larger than 10 lm; this was done in previous
definitions such as that of McSween (1987). However,
because the Hoba iron meteorite is larger than 1 m
across, it represents a fragment of an asteroid, not a
meteoroid, under our definition of meteoroid. If a mass
of iron 12 m in diameter deriving from an asteroidal
core were to be found on Earth or another celestial
body, it would almost certainly be called a meteorite,
despite the fact that it was too large to have originated
as a meteoroid even under the Beech and Steel (1995)
definition. In addition, the Canyon Diablo iron
meteorites associated with the Barringer (Meteor)
Crater in Arizona, are fragments of an impacting
asteroid that was several tens of 

Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Mark Bowling]

At least they don't act like the NOOBS on the list. ;-)

 --- On Sat, 11/14/09, Dennis Miller
 astror...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 From: Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Saturday, November 14, 2009, 8:17 PM
 
 _Meteorite Bashing Dictionary_
 
 New-Bie  [Noo-Bee, Nyoo-] -noun
 
   One who is inexperienced; one who's collection
 is valued
   less that one million dollars; an enthusiast who has
 not
   been published, in the meteorite world; one
 who's name has 
   not made Cambridge Meteorite Encyclopedia; one who
 admits to
   not having all the answers and have to ask the
 Experts'
   seemingly  dumb questions. 
 
 
 How else does one escape the dreaded label
 Newbie and enter
 the realm of expert or I can stand alone,
 for I know everything!
 And believe me, years of service to the hobby means
 little.
 
 Dennis  
 
   
 
       
   
 _
 Windows 7:
  I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock
 star.
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[Melanie Matthews]

I could care less which I fall under! I'm here to ask and learn, at times share 
share my own kowledge get in touch with Moroccan dealers and to make some 
friends who are in the hobby.. 

---
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IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09

Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what 
you're gonna get!







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 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:17:59 -0600
 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)



 _Meteorite Bashing Dictionary_

 New-Bie [Noo-Bee, Nyoo-] -noun

 One who is inexperienced; one who's collection is valued
 less that one million dollars; an enthusiast who has not
 been published, in the meteorite world; one who's name has
 not made Cambridge Meteorite Encyclopedia; one who admits to
 not having all the answers and have to ask the Experts'
 seemingly dumb questions.


 How else does one escape the dreaded label Newbie and enter
 the realm of expert or I can stand alone, for I know everything!
 And believe me, years of service to the hobby means little.

 Dennis


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[bill kies]

Speaking from the ducks point of view. I, as I'm sure many hundreds of others, 
joined this list to learn from the masters as well as pick up info on recent 
falls. Well, I sure got a lesson. I don't expect jack anymore and I assure you 
that I will never share meteorite knowledge of any kind on this list. It's a 
damn shame.
 
 

 From: spacewoman2...@hotmail.com
 To: astror...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 20:56:31 -0800
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
 
 
 I could care less which I fall under! I'm here to ask and learn, at times 
 share share my own kowledge get in touch with Moroccan dealers and to make 
 some friends who are in the hobby.. 
 
 ---
 Melanie
 IMCA: 2975
 eBay: metmel2775
 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09
 
 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what 
 you're gonna get!
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: astror...@hotmail.com
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 21:17:59 -0600
 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)



 _Meteorite Bashing Dictionary_

 New-Bie [Noo-Bee, Nyoo-] -noun

 One who is inexperienced; one who's collection is valued
 less that one million dollars; an enthusiast who has not
 been published, in the meteorite world; one who's name has
 not made Cambridge Meteorite Encyclopedia; one who admits to
 not having all the answers and have to ask the Experts'
 seemingly dumb questions.


 How else does one escape the dreaded label Newbie and enter
 the realm of expert or I can stand alone, for I know everything!
 And believe me, years of service to the hobby means little.

 Dennis


 _
 Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.
 http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009
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[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, Dan, Rob, List,

   The key weasel-word in that puzzle is infinite.
An infinite number of anything, no matter how
small, even neutrons, has infinite mass and hence 
exerts infinite gravitational force. 


   Your infinite stack of Earths will collapsr at the
speed of light, having wrapped all space and time
around itself. You are a string of particles stretched
out over light years, with the tip of your nose pressed
against the event horizon at the speed of light where
you feel infinite force, but you are not moving because 
time is standing still for you, and you will stay that 
way forever... in your inertial frame.


   The Newtonian solution is simple. Using the central 
force assumption of Newtonian gravitation (hey! works 
for me!), the gravity you feel is the sum of an infinite series:
1 + (1/3)^2 + (1/5)^2 + (1/7)^2 + (1/9)^2 + (1/11)^2 + 
(1/13)^2 + (1/15)^2 + (1/17)^2 + (1/19)^2 + ... =

1.208722 G's! (approximately, OK?)

   Your problem is that your Earths are too close together.
There is a cosmological solution that allows an infinite
static universe with infinite mass to have a finite and low 
mass density. They're called Charlier universes, but I

never met one. They're awfully empty...

   Experiment is the key to all knowledge. You stack up
an infinite number of Earths, then time falling objects 
with a pendulum, or even better, time the pendulum... 
right in the heart of downtown Gedankenland.



Sterling K. Webb
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To: mojave_meteori...@cox.net
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Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:57 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)



Reminds me of a thought-experiment that I thought of...

If there are an infinite number of Earths stacked on top of each
other, how much gravity do you feel standing on top?

Dan
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[Dan Brumleve]

Sterling,

The solution I had in mind is the Newtonian one (curiously the value
is related to the probability of a random integer being divisible by a
square).  But I don't agree that an infinite number of anything is
necessarily nonsensical...  In this case (an infinite line of planets
with one end), the force is finite everywhere and never much larger
than 1G.  (Alternatively, if we were on the edge of an infinite
half-space packed with planets, the force would be infinite and the
situation much less reasonable, essentially as you described.)

I had never heard of Charlier universes, looks like an applicable
framework, I will read more about it, thanks!

Dan

On 8/26/09, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 Hi, Dan, Rob, List,

 The key weasel-word in that puzzle is infinite.
 An infinite number of anything, no matter how
 small, even neutrons, has infinite mass and hence
 exerts infinite gravitational force.

 Your infinite stack of Earths will collapsr at the
 speed of light, having wrapped all space and time
 around itself. You are a string of particles stretched
 out over light years, with the tip of your nose pressed
 against the event horizon at the speed of light where
 you feel infinite force, but you are not moving because
 time is standing still for you, and you will stay that
 way forever... in your inertial frame.

 The Newtonian solution is simple. Using the central
 force assumption of Newtonian gravitation (hey! works
 for me!), the gravity you feel is the sum of an infinite series:
 1 + (1/3)^2 + (1/5)^2 + (1/7)^2 + (1/9)^2 + (1/11)^2 +
 (1/13)^2 + (1/15)^2 + (1/17)^2 + (1/19)^2 + ... =
 1.208722 G's! (approximately, OK?)

 Your problem is that your Earths are too close together.
 There is a cosmological solution that allows an infinite
 static universe with infinite mass to have a finite and low
 mass density. They're called Charlier universes, but I
 never met one. They're awfully empty...

 Experiment is the key to all knowledge. You stack up
 an infinite number of Earths, then time falling objects
 with a pendulum, or even better, time the pendulum...
 right in the heart of downtown Gedankenland.


 Sterling K. Webb
 --
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 From: Dan Brumleve jdb1...@gmail.com
 To: mojave_meteori...@cox.net
 cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:57 AM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


 Reminds me of a thought-experiment that I thought of...

 If there are an infinite number of Earths stacked on top of each
 other, how much gravity do you feel standing on top?

 Dan
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[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:46:33 -0700, you wrote:

I had never heard of Charlier universes, looks like an applicable
framework, I will read more about it, thanks!

Oh, that theory lies beween the two extremes, the Charlie universe and the
Charliest universe.  Sort of like the strong and weak anthropic principles.
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[Fries, Marc D]

Wow - you really are new to the list!  ;-)


 some of you might have a shot at becoming
 stand-up comedians if you ever want to change professions.  The repartee and
 camaraderie are delightful.  A

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[George Blahun Jr]

Paul:
 Welcome to the list.  I normally read quietly, posting something  
every few months when the urge strikes.  Everything you said is true,  
which makes this list one of my favorites.  However, in addition to  
the immense knowledge and profound statements as well as cutting edge  
research and terrific bargains, you will also find an occasional brawl  
resembling a sixth grade schoolyard fight.  I just wanted to give you  
a heads up on what some would call the  downside of this list, but  
which I find sociologically interesting.
Without this caveat it might be similar to finding out as a child that  
your parents weren't perfect, like the first time I saw my normally  
calm dad give some other motorist the finger.  Anyhow, I've been on  
this list for years, and unless I get kicked off for some reason (not  
very likely) I plan to be here for years to come.  I'm sure you'll  
learn a lot and be entertained as well.


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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA subject

[Greg Catterton]

... Ok. 
I would like to say for the record, I am a member of the IMCA.

Taking a step back and looking at the IMCA with a unbiased point of view, I see 
it as a group that has alot of potential and could be a great thing for the 
meteorite hobby.

I do think its more of a dealers club then anything, but I also see it 
working on educational and informative things such as the new Martian site 
(which is really nice!) and even took a big step in getting encyclopedia of 
meteorites site.

No group will ever be perfect or please everyone, but I think the IMCA is doing 
the best they can and are showing continued growth. That is important.

While there is no governing body for meteorites, the IMCA is doing the best 
they can to fill that role the best are able to.

I think more people should look at what the IMCA is doing rather then what they 
are not doing or what people think they should do and most would see that its 
really all in all a good group that has great goals.

Greg C.





--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and Moroccans
 To: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:46 PM
 Hi Mike,
 
 Are you still a member of the IMCA?
 
 -Walter Branch
 
 - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone 
 Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com
 To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA planetaries and
 Moroccans
 
 
 Martin and List,
 
 Well, I just received a veiled death threat from an IMCA
 member for my
 last post.
 
 I can say in all honesty, that I have done hundreds (if not
 over a
 thousand) deals since joining the world of
 meteorites.  Only once did
 someone attempt to scam me, and it was an IMCA member.
 
 IMCA credentials mean zero to me.
 
 Martin, you are one of the good guys and you know I respect
 you.  But
 there are bad apples in the IMCA just like any other large
 group.
 
 Now I am debating whether I am going to contact the
 authorities over
 this death threat I just received.
 
 I guess I better shut my mouth before the IMCA sends a thug
 to my house.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
 
 
 
 On 5/18/09, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
 wrote:
  Mike, please...
  
  I just opened the ebay-site, searched for meteori*,
  got 1681 results.
  
  Please show me those auctions from IMCA-members, where
 fakes, not authentic
  or at least doubtful material (regarding the
 authenticity) are offered.
  
  And then list me those auctions from non-IMCA-members,
 where fakes, non
  authentic and doubtful material is offered.
  
  IMCA was founded to make meteorite trades safer for
 all.
  The result of your comparision will be, I dare to
 foresee, quite convincing,
  that that IMCA-thing already could be called quite a
 success.
  
  I guess, if you'll search for Sideroli and nandan,
 meteori* +sphere
  and tibet +meteori* ect. you will directly obtain
 your first 20-50 fakes,
  ..to make it a little bit easier.
  
  Hmm those meteoritic carbonados currently en vogue,
 I just can found only
  2 offered. Together 50 k$. a nice sum to go
 shopping for real
  meteorites.
  
  To lazy (US-ebay is working so slowly on my computer
 since weeks?) to check
  how many tektites currently are offered there to the
 layman to have
  originated from the Moon...
  
  That's what IMCA mainly is about.
  
  And I'm so old, that I know the times before IMCA
 and how the situation
  was there, where everyone could sell any stone from
 his garden as meteorite,
  with the rookie, the laypeople, the unexperienced
 having zero possibility to
  know something about authenticity and having zero
 guidelines.
  Now his chances to be ripped off are definitely lower,
 when he looks for the
  IMCA-labels.
  
  (And I have by far less people to console in my
 practise, who bought crap as
  meteorites, than the years before).
  
  I for myself am astonished, how few complaints about
 alleged misdemeanour or
  fraud of IMCA-members reach IMCA.
  Remember IMCA is statuably obligated to proof each and
 every case reported.
  And in turn, if nobody complains, IMCA can't know the
 case.
  Remember that instrument is available for ALL, for
 non-members too, as long
  as the wrongdoing party is a member.
  Do you know any similar service in the meteoritic
 field?
  
  Hmm perhaps another, more empiric thought:
  Why do so many dealers, collector-dealers, collectors
 and those, who
  frequently or sporadically trade, sell, swap
 meteorites join IMCA,
  if that club is only a joke?
  Nobody urges them to do that, it's there free will and
 it even costs them 20
  bucks and makes their transactions more difficult, if
 they obey the code of
  ethics.
  
  So why?
  If we let aside all that pathetic stuff about

Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Kevin Forbes]

And, does it have any Hemorrhoidite in it?





I wonder if he has piles of them?


Message: 11
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:10:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go
To: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I didn't hink of Uranus until mentioned here, which is
unusual. Mind you, i didn't get the joke until I was
17 and I remember the stick I got as a result.

I was thinking of phrases like

I hope it doesn't end up getting SHATtered

This is a new definition for RE-ENTRY

and

kak-handed approach to meteorite study

etc

I've got 6 more but they get more obscure..

Dave
IMCA #0092
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Gerald Flaherty]

From them?
Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:22 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


 
 I wonder if he has piles of them?
 
 
 Message: 11
 Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:10:45 -0800 (PST)
 From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oh Boy- Here we go
 To: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED],
  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
 I didn't hink of Uranus until mentioned here, which is
 unusual. Mind you, i didn't get the joke until I was
 17 and I remember the stick I got as a result.
 
 I was thinking of phrases like
 
 I hope it doesn't end up getting SHATtered
 
 This is a new definition for RE-ENTRY
 
 and
 
 kak-handed approach to meteorite study
 
 etc
 
 I've got 6 more but they get more obscure..
 
 Dave
 IMCA #0092
 Sec.BIMS
 www.bimsociety.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

I have some contacts in Turkey, I seen if I take some
pieces, I have been contact a my friend

Matteo

--- Bjorn Sorheim [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 List.
 Hey, what's the matter with YOU Lot!
 There is A NEW FALL in Turkey is there NOT?!
 Why no dicussion frenzy?
 Why are you not SCRAMBLING to go there?!
 I'm shure MIKE is?!
 Looking at the pictures in the article, I can
 definitly say is
 a stony meteorite, no doubt about it I would say...
 (The only doubt is how much carbon it contains -
 haha!)
 Any more information about this fall? Links?
 I'm shure there must be more stones on the ground...
 
 Personally I heard a bang from above at 15:25 in the
 afternoon
 on that very day here in Norway(?). I even wrote it
 down in my
 notebook to check it later. Forgot about it untill
 today!
 Other norwegians have noted strong meteors going
 north to south
 about this time it now seems...
 
 Regards,
 Bjørn Sørheim
 
 ( I sent the above first to the list saturday
 evening (MET), but try it 
 again, sunday afternoon)
 
   From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: 2007-02-03 03:41:09 CET
   To: Meteorite List
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   Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite lands in
 Didim
  
   

http://epost.telenor.no/mobileoffice//mobileoffice/?cmd=mailsub=redirecturl=http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=477http://www.voicesnewspaper.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=477
 
 
 
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[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:27:09 +0100, you wrote:

List.
Hey, what's the matter with YOU Lot!
There is A NEW FALL in Turkey is there NOT?!
Why no dicussion frenzy?
Why are you not SCRAMBLING to go there?!
I'm shure MIKE is?!
Looking at the pictures in the article, I can definitly say is
a stony meteorite, no doubt about it I would say...

Hm.  I hadn't seen this yet.  Damn nice meteorite.

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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado and New Jersey events

[drtanuki]

Darryl and List,
  If you believe all of what you read or watch on TV
or what your government tells you, then you can state
what you have stated.  Both events will be confirmed
within a day or so, so let`s wait for the facts to
hopefully come out. Indications are not facts, but
they may be proven later to be fact. Best, Dirk


--- Darryl Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 it's pretty clearly indicated that the colorado
 event was not a  
 bolide and that the new jersey object is not a new
 meteorite.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado and NewJersey events

[Chris Peterson]

Well, speaking for myself, I'm working from primary data that I 
collected. And I don't work for the news or the government (hmmm... or 
am I just saying that? g) I know the details of the meteor path rather 
well. I can't guarantee that the NORAD elements for object 29679 are 
accurate, of course, but this object has attracted attention for the 
last week, so disguising the elements would be hard.

Anyway, we aren't all dependent on trusting what the government or TV 
tell us!

Chris

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- Original Message - 
From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Darryl Pitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado and 
NewJersey events


 Darryl and List,
  If you believe all of what you read or watch on TV
 or what your government tells you, then you can state
 what you have stated.  Both events will be confirmed
 within a day or so, so let`s wait for the facts to
 hopefully come out. Indications are not facts, but
 they may be proven later to be fact. Best, Dirk

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[Alexander Seidel]

 Anyway, we aren't all dependent on trusting what the government or TV 
 tell us!

True, Chris, but with respect to the incident of a spectacular early morning 
light show over Denver you can rely on the codes programmed by experts and data 
on decaying satellites provided by NORAD. You can prove this for yourself, if 
you use the (openly available) codes on openly available two-line-element 
orbital data of satellites on the internet. NORAD won´t issue these for 
military US spy satellites, which are sort of classifieds, but will issue 
them for all the ten thousands of other near earth artifical satellites - 
including the decaying Russian booster rocket stage that we are talking about. 
And regarding the Classifieds - you can easily look them up at 
heavens-above.com whereever you live, no observable secrets at all - from the 
perspective of a groundbased artificial satellite observer using simple optical 
means that is :-)

Never saw a Lacrosse big spy bird on a clear, warm evening from your rocking 
chair? :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany

 
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[Chris Peterson]

Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW, 
I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.)  These 
guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely 
fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have 
been subverted as well, or that their numbers are changed by the Global 
Internet Control Computer at NSA. Of course, I've been subverted, too. 
You should see some of the email I get after a big fireball, when I 
publicly offer such a prosaic explanation as a random collision with a 
bit of space debris. If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling 
everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with 
missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.

Of course, I agree with you completely- the orbital elements can be 
taken with a very high degree of trust.

Chris

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- Original Message - 
From: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado and 
NewJersey events



 Anyway, we aren't all dependent on trusting what the government or TV
 tell us!

True, Chris, but with respect to the incident of a spectacular early 
morning light show over Denver you can rely on the codes programmed by 
experts and data on decaying satellites provided by NORAD. You can prove 
this for yourself, if you use the (openly available) codes on openly 
available two-line-element orbital data of satellites on the internet. 
NORAD won´t issue these for military US spy satellites, which are sort 
of classifieds, but will issue them for all the ten thousands of other 
near earth artifical satellites - including the decaying Russian booster 
rocket stage that we are talking about. And regarding the Classifieds - 
you can easily look them up at heavens-above.com whereever you live, no 
observable secrets at all - from the perspective of a groundbased 
artificial satellite observer using simple optical means that is :-)

Never saw a Lacrosse big spy bird on a clear, warm evening from your 
rocking chair? :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany

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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado and NewJersey events

[Marco Langbroek]

  If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
  everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
  missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.


Chris,

Now you have spilled the beans, we'll have to eliminate you

- Col. Langbroek
   New World Order Air Force Subversive Command and Control Unit X
   Area 51

   ;-p



 Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW,
 I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.) These
 guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely
 fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have
 been subverted as well, or that their numbers are changed by the Global
 Internet Control Computer at NSA. Of course, I've been subverted, too.
 You should see some of the email I get after a big fireball, when I
 publicly offer such a prosaic explanation as a random collision with a
 bit of space debris. If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
 everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
 missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.
 
 Of course, I agree with you completely- the orbital elements can be
 taken with a very high degree of trust.
 
 Chris

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[Gary K. Foote]

Dear Chris and Marco.  You have now come to the attention of the NSA and should 
expect a 
memory-erasing ray to hit your locations within seconds.

Zzzaappp!

Gary

On 5 Jan 2007 at 1:20, Marco Langbroek wrote:

   If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
   everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
   missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.
 
 
 Chris,
 
 Now you have spilled the beans, we'll have to eliminate you
 
 - Col. Langbroek
New World Order Air Force Subversive Command and Control Unit X
Area 51
 
;-p
 
 
 
  Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW,
  I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.) These
  guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely
  fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have
  been subverted as well, or that their numbers are changed by the Global
  Internet Control Computer at NSA. Of course, I've been subverted, too.
  You should see some of the email I get after a big fireball, when I
  publicly offer such a prosaic explanation as a random collision with a
  bit of space debris. If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
  everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
  missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.
  
  Of course, I agree with you completely- the orbital elements can be
  taken with a very high degree of trust.
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado andNewJersey events

[Matthias Bärmann]

Hi Marco, Chris, list,

to be sincere I'd prefer ...

... that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with women prior to 
stealing all our missiles to host their alien spawn.

Ready for print now.

Best, Matthias


- Original Message - 
From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado 
andNewJersey events


  If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
  everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
  missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.


 Chris,

 Now you have spilled the beans, we'll have to eliminate you

 - Col. Langbroek
   New World Order Air Force Subversive Command and Control Unit X
   Area 51

   ;-p



 Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW,
 I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.) These
 guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely
 fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have
 been subverted as well, or that their numbers are changed by the Global
 Internet Control Computer at NSA. Of course, I've been subverted, too.
 You should see some of the email I get after a big fireball, when I
 publicly offer such a prosaic explanation as a random collision with a
 bit of space debris. If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
 everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
 missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.

 Of course, I agree with you completely- the orbital elements can be
 taken with a very high degree of trust.

 Chris

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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...ColoradoandNewJersey events

[batkol]

lol.  i like this version much better  :  )  take care
susan



- Original Message - 
From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl 
Pitt...ColoradoandNewJersey events


 Hi Marco, Chris, list,

 to be sincere I'd prefer ...

 ... that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with women prior to
 stealing all our missiles to host their alien spawn.

 Ready for print now.

 Best, Matthias


 - Original Message - 
 From: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 1:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Colorado
 andNewJersey events


  If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
  everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
  missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.


 Chris,

 Now you have spilled the beans, we'll have to eliminate you

 - Col. Langbroek
   New World Order Air Force Subversive Command and Control Unit X
   Area 51

   ;-p



 Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW,
 I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.) These
 guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely
 fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have
 been subverted as well, or that their numbers are changed by the Global
 Internet Control Computer at NSA. Of course, I've been subverted, too.
 You should see some of the email I get after a big fireball, when I
 publicly offer such a prosaic explanation as a random collision with a
 bit of space debris. If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
 everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
 missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.

 Of course, I agree with you completely- the orbital elements can be
 taken with a very high degree of trust.

 Chris

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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Coloradoand NewJersey events

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, Chris, List, Zetans,

Not to be overly picky, but...

 Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth
 with missiles prior to stealing all our women
 to host their alien spawn.

Shouldn't that be...?

 Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth
 with missiles AFTER stealing all our women
 to host their alien spawn.

I believe there's a joke about Vikings whose
punchline illustrates this principle:
No, no, FIRST you rape, THEN  you pillage,
THEN you burn...


Sterling K. Webb

- Original Message - 
From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Darryl Pitt...Coloradoand 
NewJersey events


Ah, I see you've never dealt with a rabid conspiracy theorist g. (BTW,
I'm not putting Dirk in that category because of his comment.)  These
guys are fully capable of believing that not only could NORAD completely
fabricate any elements, but that all the amateur satellite watchers have
been subverted as well, or that their numbers are changed by the Global
Internet Control Computer at NSA. Of course, I've been subverted, too.
You should see some of the email I get after a big fireball, when I
publicly offer such a prosaic explanation as a random collision with a
bit of space debris. If I wasn't under Mind Control, I'd be telling
everyone the Truth, that Zetans are preparing to bombard the Earth with
missiles prior to stealing all our women to host their alien spawn.

Of course, I agree with you completely- the orbital elements can be
taken with a very high degree of trust.

Chris

*
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Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


- Original Message - 
From: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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NewJersey events



 Anyway, we aren't all dependent on trusting what the government or TV
 tell us!

True, Chris, but with respect to the incident of a spectacular early
morning light show over Denver you can rely on the codes programmed by
experts and data on decaying satellites provided by NORAD. You can prove
this for yourself, if you use the (openly available) codes on openly
available two-line-element orbital data of satellites on the internet.
NORAD won´t issue these for military US spy satellites, which are sort
of classifieds, but will issue them for all the ten thousands of other
near earth artifical satellites - including the decaying Russian booster
rocket stage that we are talking about. And regarding the Classifieds -
you can easily look them up at heavens-above.com whereever you live, no
observable secrets at all - from the perspective of a groundbased
artificial satellite observer using simple optical means that is :-)

Never saw a Lacrosse big spy bird on a clear, warm evening from your
rocking chair? :-)

Alex
Berlin/Germany

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[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:33:45 -0400, you wrote:

please remove me [EMAIL PROTECTED]  from your mailing list 
.the site is not what i expected.i dont have the faintest idea what their 
talking abuot except meteorsthank you

Just out of curiosity-- what were you expecting/looking for?
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

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Dear Waldron,
Just a brief note to state that I thought your post to the list
held the most accurate description ever in the subject box.
Best wishes, Michael

on 1/25/06 1:03 PM, Waldron Cluett at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
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RE: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Pete Pete]

Hi, Rick,

How about this for a treasure hunt: If you can find and identify the ten 
grammatical, punctuation, and spelling mistakes that you made in your posted 
request, I'll give you one of my priceless meteorites!


Cheers,
Pete

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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:13:15 -0800 (PST)

Hello,

Where doing a milllion dollar treasure hunt
http://www.kingarthurstreasures.com

The treasure hunt will be in 12 parts and have 12 prizes as a way for more
than one person to win.

Where looking into the possibility of one of the prizes being a meteorite.
We would would like one that has a high appraisal value at $100,000 but
would sell lower.

Thank you for your time and consideartion and if anyone would like to
reply feel free to email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rick

CEO King Arthurs Treasures Inc.




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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Michael L Blood]

Hi All,
Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
this to the entire list:

I have received six or eight inquiries from NIGERIA - all different
individuals, asking weird questions about buying my products - such
as: Do I ship to Nigeria? Will I take a direct bank wire, etc. The first one
I tried to accommodate, but then received additional inquiries from
others in Nigeria. After that, I strongly suspected I was receiving
some sort of spam hustle (like the never ending posts, often in all
CAPS, about some widow from some obscure country who's dead
husband left her 26.8 million dollars and if I would just let her wire
it to my bank account she would happily give me 5% or the like). As
a result, I am no longer responding to any inquiries from Nigeria.
In any event, I wonder if others on this list who have commercial
web sites have been getting multiple enigmatic posts from Nigeria?
Best wishes, Michael


 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[meteoriteplaya]

Hi Michael  List
I have received several of these myself. None of them mention the exact product 
that I sell or what they want to buy. They only mention that they are 
interested in the merchandise I sell. Also all ask if I take credit cards and 
if I can ship FedEx or DHL. I would guess this is so they have their 
merchandise before you figure out that the cc is stolen.
I stay as far away as I can from these scamsters and recommend that everyone 
else do so as well.
Mike
--
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Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


 Hi All,
 Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
 responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
 this to the entire list:
 
 I have received six or eight inquiries from NIGERIA - all different
 individuals, asking weird questions about buying my products - such
 as: Do I ship to Nigeria? Will I take a direct bank wire, etc. The first one
 I tried to accommodate, but then received additional inquiries from
 others in Nigeria. After that, I strongly suspected I was receiving
 some sort of spam hustle (like the never ending posts, often in all
 CAPS, about some widow from some obscure country who's dead
 husband left her 26.8 million dollars and if I would just let her wire
 it to my bank account she would happily give me 5% or the like). As
 a result, I am no longer responding to any inquiries from Nigeria.
 In any event, I wonder if others on this list who have commercial
 web sites have been getting multiple enigmatic posts from Nigeria?
 Best wishes, Michael
 
 
  
 --
 You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
  -Herb Cohen
 --
 If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Michael Farmer]

Michael,
Man, you need to stay up on the common scams.
These are people wanting to buy anything using STOLEN credit cards.
First warning should be when they ask to buy your product. They don't even 
know what they want, just anything you can ship using stolen credit cards.
Best to avoid any business with Nigeria.
Mike Farmer
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From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike Farmer  Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


Hi All,
   Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
this to the entire list:
   I have received six or eight inquiries from NIGERIA - all different
individuals, asking weird questions about buying my products - such
as: Do I ship to Nigeria? Will I take a direct bank wire, etc. The first 
one
I tried to accommodate, but then received additional inquiries from
others in Nigeria. After that, I strongly suspected I was receiving
some sort of spam hustle (like the never ending posts, often in all
CAPS, about some widow from some obscure country who's dead
husband left her 26.8 million dollars and if I would just let her wire
it to my bank account she would happily give me 5% or the like). As
a result, I am no longer responding to any inquiries from Nigeria.
   In any event, I wonder if others on this list who have commercial
web sites have been getting multiple enigmatic posts from Nigeria?
   Best wishes, Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Walter Branch]

Michael-

Of course they are scams!  I have been geting those literally every day for
YEARS.

Literally everyday I get spam email from these guys about buying your
products and do you ship to ... in addtion to the ones that begin I am
the mighty potentate, the son of .

Also, scams to buy medicines.

Literally every day, several times a day.  Two already this morning.

There is nothing enigmatic about them.  They want your money.

It is hard to block them because they use stolen email  addresses and they
send sometimes with slightly different subject lines.

Below is one I got a few minutes ago.  Look familiar?

-Walter

hello,
  i will like to place an order to be shipped to my client in lagos
nigeria via ups express.
 you will be authorised to bill my credit card for the cost
including the cost of shipping.
  please get back to me with your website so that i can give you the
items needed.
regards,
james.

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From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike Farmer  Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


 Hi All,
 Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
 responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
 this to the entire list:

 I have received six or eight inquiries from NIGERIA - all
different
 individuals, asking weird questions about buying my products - such
 as: Do I ship to Nigeria? Will I take a direct bank wire, etc. The first
one
 I tried to accommodate, but then received additional inquiries from
 others in Nigeria. After that, I strongly suspected I was receiving
 some sort of spam hustle (like the never ending posts, often in all
 CAPS, about some widow from some obscure country who's dead
 husband left her 26.8 million dollars and if I would just let her wire
 it to my bank account she would happily give me 5% or the like). As
 a result, I am no longer responding to any inquiries from Nigeria.
 In any event, I wonder if others on this list who have commercial
 web sites have been getting multiple enigmatic posts from Nigeria?
 Best wishes, Michael



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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Martin Altmann]

Hi Michael,

falls under the category: Scam.

A really cool side, where some made great jokes with that scammers and turnd
the thing vice versa, you'll find here:
http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm

Best I like the case of Prince Joe Eboe:
http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm

In the Hall of Shame, you'll find funny pictures of those, who are behind
those spams, where you're promised to get 20% of 23Mio USD ect.
http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm

Enjoy!
Martin


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From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike Farmer  Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


 Hi All,
 Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
 responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
 this to the entire list:


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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Meteoriteshow]

Hi to both Michael!

Yes it is true that many spam e-mails are coming from Nigeria, to propose
some wonderful looking deals, that 99.99% of the times are ways to get
information about you, your bank, your account number, letter heads and so
on... Some years ago, those highly suspect enquiries were sent by fax to
companies that are exporting to Africa including Nigeria; I received a lot
when I was an export salesman in a company making packaging machines, as I
was in charge of the sales in Africa. On their request, I reported some to
the French Embassy in Lagos, providing tel and fax numbers I had from the
messages received, and they were always leading to empty offices for rent,
where those thieves were sitting for few hours or days, just to try and
catch some fish.
So the best advise I have about those e-mails is to try and tune your
outlook express or whatever in order to refuse those messages, and to
delete straight away the ones passing through.
Best wishes,

Frederic - meteoriteshow


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From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


 Michael,
 Man, you need to stay up on the common scams.
 These are people wanting to buy anything using STOLEN credit cards.
 First warning should be when they ask to buy your product. They don't
even
 know what they want, just anything you can ship using stolen credit cards.
 Best to avoid any business with Nigeria.
 Mike Farmer
 - Original Message -
 From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mike Farmer  Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:20 AM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


  Hi All,
 Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
  responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
  this to the entire list:
 
 I have received six or eight inquiries from NIGERIA - all
different
  individuals, asking weird questions about buying my products - such
  as: Do I ship to Nigeria? Will I take a direct bank wire, etc. The first
  one
  I tried to accommodate, but then received additional inquiries from
  others in Nigeria. After that, I strongly suspected I was receiving
  some sort of spam hustle (like the never ending posts, often in all
  CAPS, about some widow from some obscure country who's dead
  husband left her 26.8 million dollars and if I would just let her wire
  it to my bank account she would happily give me 5% or the like). As
  a result, I am no longer responding to any inquiries from Nigeria.
 In any event, I wonder if others on this list who have commercial
  web sites have been getting multiple enigmatic posts from Nigeria?
 Best wishes, Michael
 
 
 
  --
  You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are.
  -Herb Cohen
  --
  If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.
 
 




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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Walter Branch]

Here is another that I just received a minute ago (sorry, the last one from
me):

-Walter

Dear sir/madam,

I must solicit your confidence in this transaction
this is by virtue of its nature as being utterly
confidential and top secret. Though a transaction of
this magnitude will make any one apprehensive and
worried, but I am assuring you that all will be well
at the end of the day. We have decided to contact you
due to the urgency of this transaction.But let me
first introduce myself. I am Mr  Patrick Harba,
Manager of
BillsExchange at the Foreign Remittance Department
of Zenith Bank of Nigeria,I came to know of you in my
search for a reliable and reputable person to help
handle this confidential transaction, which involves
the transfer of a huge sum of money to a foreign
account.

Detail: The President/Ceo of Mark Kogan Farm and
Engineering Drilling company Nig. Ltd, Mr. Mark Kogan
(CANADA) made a fixed deposit of USD14,000,000.00
(Fourteen Million United States Dollar) deposit  with
the Zenith Bank of Nigeria PLC five years ago. This
deal was to mature in April 2002. But Mr. Ramirez
Sanchez and his only son whom he used as next of kin
died in kenya air crash in the year 2000.Since we got
information about his death,we have been expected his
next of kin/relations to come over and claim his money
because our bank cannot release it unless somebody
applies for it as next of kin or relation to  Mr
Ramirez Sanchez the late depositor as indicated in
our banking guidelines.

Unfortunately none of his relation has come for
claim.It is therefore upon this discovery that i now
decided to make business with you and release the
money to you as the next of kin/relation to  Mr
Ramirez Sanchez for safety and subsequent disbursement
since nobody is coming for the money and i dont want
this money to go back into Federal Government account
as unclaimed fund.

The banking law and guidelines here stipulates that
if such money remains unclaimed,the money will be
transfered into the banking treasury as unclaimed
fund.The request for a foreigner as the next of
kin/relation in this business is occasioned by the
fact that Mr Ramirez SANCHEZ was a foriegner and a
Nigeria cannot stand  as a next of kin/relation to the
late
depositor who is a foreigner.Therefore i request you
to provide a reliable Bank account into which the
Zenith Bank of Nigeria Correspondent bank abroad will
pay the funds into.

Documents and proves to back you up in the receipt
of the funds into your account shall be carefully
worked out. We have also decided that for your
assistance you will be entitled to 30% of the funds
as your commission. 10% shall be set aside for
reimbursement to both parties for any incidental
expenses that may be incurred in the transaction.

If this proposal is acceptable to you, contact me
immediately through Email. Please furnish me with your
most confidential telephone and fax numbers,including
your full names and address,complete Bank information
so that they can be used for all your official
communications.

Thank you for your anticipated co-operation and God
Bless.

Mr Patrick Harba


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From: Meteoriteshow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael L Blood
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


 Hi to both Michael!

 Yes it is true that many spam e-mails are coming from Nigeria, to
propose
 some wonderful looking deals, that 99.99% of the times are ways to get
 information about you, your bank, your account number, letter heads and so
 on... Some years ago, those highly suspect enquiries were sent by fax to
 companies that are exporting to Africa including Nigeria; I received a lot
 when I was an export salesman in a company making packaging machines, as I
 was in charge of the sales in Africa. On their request, I reported some to
 the French Embassy in Lagos, providing tel and fax numbers I had from the
 messages received, and they were always leading to empty offices for rent,
 where those thieves were sitting for few hours or days, just to try and
 catch some fish.
 So the best advise I have about those e-mails is to try and tune your
 outlook express or whatever in order to refuse those messages, and to
 delete straight away the ones passing through.
 Best wishes,

 Frederic - meteoriteshow


 - Original Message -
 From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


  Michael,
  Man, you need to stay up on the common scams.
  These are people wanting to buy anything using STOLEN credit cards.
  First warning should be when they ask to buy your product. They don't
 even
  know what

Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Meteoriteshow]

It is EXCELLENT, Martin. I had never been on that site before!

Cheers
Fred
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


 Hi Michael,

 falls under the category: Scam.

 A really cool side, where some made great jokes with that scammers and
turnd
 the thing vice versa, you'll find here:
 http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm

 Best I like the case of Prince Joe Eboe:
 http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm

 In the Hall of Shame, you'll find funny pictures of those, who are behind
 those spams, where you're promised to get 20% of 23Mio USD ect.
 http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm

 Enjoy!
 Martin


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 From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mike Farmer  Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


  Hi All,
  Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
  responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
  this to the entire list:
 

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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Gerald Flaherty]

I too have received this type of delete immediately boloney. Jerry
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To: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


Hi Michael  List
I have received several of these myself. None of them mention the exact 
product that I sell or what they want to buy. They only mention that they 
are interested in the merchandise I sell. Also all ask if I take credit 
cards and if I can ship FedEx or DHL. I would guess this is so they have 
their merchandise before you figure out that the cc is stolen.
I stay as far away as I can from these scamsters and recommend that 
everyone else do so as well.
Mike
--
Mike Jensen IMCA 4264
Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


Hi All,
Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
this to the entire list:
I have received six or eight inquiries from NIGERIA - all 
different
individuals, asking weird questions about buying my products - such
as: Do I ship to Nigeria? Will I take a direct bank wire, etc. The first 
one
I tried to accommodate, but then received additional inquiries from
others in Nigeria. After that, I strongly suspected I was receiving
some sort of spam hustle (like the never ending posts, often in all
CAPS, about some widow from some obscure country who's dead
husband left her 26.8 million dollars and if I would just let her wire
it to my bank account she would happily give me 5% or the like). As
a result, I am no longer responding to any inquiries from Nigeria.
In any event, I wonder if others on this list who have commercial
web sites have been getting multiple enigmatic posts from Nigeria?
Best wishes, Michael


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 -Herb Cohen
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Michael L Blood]

the case of Prince Joe Eboe had me laughing harder than Proud Tom!
Too cool!  Michael



on 4/20/05 11:01 AM, Martin Altmann at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Michael,
 
 falls under the category: Scam.
 
 A really cool side, where some made great jokes with that scammers and turnd
 the thing vice versa, you'll find here:
 http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm
 
 Best I like the case of Prince Joe Eboe:
 http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm
 
 In the Hall of Shame, you'll find funny pictures of those, who are behind
 those spams, where you're promised to get 20% of 23Mio USD ect.
 http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm
 
 Enjoy!
 Martin
 
 
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 From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mike Farmer  Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria
 
 
 Hi All,
 Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
 responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
 this to the entire list:
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Arizona Skies Meteorites]

Hi Michael and Martin! Prince Joe is hilarious! I love
the photo of him with the church's logo painted in
red paint on his portly chest. The only thing that the
prince would look better in that that red paint is a
black  white striped jump suit!

Thanks for sharing Martin!


-John


http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm




--- Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 the case of Prince Joe Eboe had me laughing
 harder than Proud Tom!
 Too cool!  Michael
 
 
 
 on 4/20/05 11:01 AM, Martin Altmann at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hi Michael,
  
  falls under the category: Scam.
  
  A really cool side, where some made great jokes
 with that scammers and turnd
  the thing vice versa, you'll find here:
  http://www.419eater.com/html/letters.htm
  
  Best I like the case of Prince Joe Eboe:
  http://www.419eater.com/html/joe_eboh.htm
  
  In the Hall of Shame, you'll find funny pictures
 of those, who are behind
  those spams, where you're promised to get 20% of
 23Mio USD ect.
  http://www.419eater.com/html/trophy_room.htm
  
  Enjoy!
  Martin
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mike Farmer  Melody
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow
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  meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 7:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject -
 Nigeria
  
  
  Hi All,
  Since the last survey of the list
 resulted in 26% of the members
  responding that they considered themselves
 meteorite dealers, I post
  this to the entire list:
  
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria

[Bill Southern]

Hello Michael and list,
Yes I too have received these type emails from Nigeria, but asking to buy 25 
to 30 Minelab Metal Detectors at a time...I treat them as you do.

By the way thanks for the beautiful thin sections
Bill S.
- Original Message - 
From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mike Farmer  Melody [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteoriteshow 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Subject - Nigeria


Hi All,
   Since the last survey of the list resulted in 26% of the members
responding that they considered themselves meteorite dealers, I post
this to the entire list:
   I have received six or eight inquiries from NIGERIA - all different
individuals, asking weird questions about buying my products - such
as: Do I ship to Nigeria? Will I take a direct bank wire, etc. The first 
one
I tried to accommodate, but then received additional inquiries from
others in Nigeria. After that, I strongly suspected I was receiving
some sort of spam hustle (like the never ending posts, often in all
CAPS, about some widow from some obscure country who's dead
husband left her 26.8 million dollars and if I would just let her wire
it to my bank account she would happily give me 5% or the like). As
a result, I am no longer responding to any inquiries from Nigeria.
   In any event, I wonder if others on this list who have commercial
web sites have been getting multiple enigmatic posts from Nigeria?
   Best wishes, Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Phil Morgan]

Hi Steve,
I'm always interested in small unclassified stones to cut for fun.  If 
you've got any more available, I'm interested.

Regards,
Phil
- Original Message - 
From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 3:48 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


Hi again list.Just to update the unclassifies stones, I have 9 bags to
givaway.So the first 9 people or orginations who chime in get them.Please
remember the shipping.
 steve
Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728
Illinois Meteorites
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RE: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[McomeMeteorite Meteorite]

stop to spam the list with this fakes!
Matteo

From: braik bouchaib [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:32:18 -0500
hi friend list
clic here
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Michael Farmer]

WOW, anyone know who this pshyco is? Makes me look like a Baptist preacher.
Mike Farmer
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UNSUBSCRIBE ME, MOTHER FUCKERS
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Michael Farmer]

Some idiot from Argentina is seems, doesnt know what list he is subscribed
to.
Mike Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Steve Schoner]

Louis,

I think that if you simply write 

UNSUBSCRIBE

In the subject line, 

then write again

UNSUBSCRIBE

in the first line of the note sending it to:

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it will happen automatically.

And you know what

I might just very well do the same if the bickering, and crap slingingdoes not stop. I've worn out my delete key finger, and my recovering brain cannot deal with these constant arguments over nothing.

Steve Schoner/ams
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Re: [meteorite-list] no subject

[Grant L. Elliott]

Juergen,

If you are not interested in "meterorite items", 
why did you join this list in the first place??? Just wondering-

Grant Elliott














  - Original Message - 
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  Falkenberg 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 10:32 
  AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] no 
  subject
  
  Please take me out of your mailing-list
  I'm absolutly not interested in meteorite-items and I don't want to get 
  hundred of e-mails about this item everyday!!!
  Please please pleaseerase my e-mail-adresse from your 
  mailing-list!!
  Thank 
  you!!!__Bestes 
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[MARK BOSTICK]

Perhaps you could use the subject line more effectively Steve.  Like no
subject, repost..:-)

Mark


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)



 hi all. I am home now, back from wisconsin. New round of tucson photos
will be up tomorrow.


steve



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no more e-mail 

 Somewhat "Unclear On The Concept."

Gregory

Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

what want this

Matteo from internet point

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Re: [meteorite-list] Off subject... List member crossing the threshold!

[Rosemary Hackney]

Congratulations Norbert.

I wish you and your bride a long life and much happiness together. Be
patient..it will take a year before you begin to understand her. and her
you... LOL.

Good Luck always...

P.S. He would probably rather you throw meteorites instead of rice

Rosie
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From: Dave Schultz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 8:46 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Off subject... List member crossing the threshold!


   I`ve heard from a very reliable source that List
 Member and IMCA Member Norbert Classen will be
 crossing the threshold on Saturday, January 4th.!
 Let`s all send a congratulations to him and his new
 bride, but please no rice throwing!!! Congratulations
 and good luck to the new Mr. and Mrs. Norbert
 Classen!!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Off subject... List member crossing the threshold!

[John Divelbiss]

Norbert,

Congratulations...I'll have to send a gift. Something greenish brown, cold
and hard.

What did we get for a present, honey?...We got a rock.

Best Wishes,

John

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Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 9:46 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Off subject... List member crossing the threshold!


   I`ve heard from a very reliable source that List
 Member and IMCA Member Norbert Classen will be
 crossing the threshold on Saturday, January 4th.!
 Let`s all send a congratulations to him and his new
 bride, but please no rice throwing!!! Congratulations
 and good luck to the new Mr. and Mrs. Norbert
 Classen!!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Dave Schultz]

  I have one listed on eBay, look for indy1996. ;)
  Dave

 
 There were some of you who had possible small
 collections forsale, that I was looking for. Could
 you please get back to me please.
 
 
steve
 
 
 
 Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107
 
 The midwest meteorite collector!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject) Cosmic Visitors (Brad Sampson)

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

Hello all

This is another email of the Mr. delayed shipments
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is the fifth address that it
changes, one for every excuse that pulls outside for
its delays with Ebay. Those that is of sure that I
will not acquire never more from Sampson, and has not
had the courage to reply to my email put in the list,
even if is present in the list. He has been only able
to put two feedbacks neutral - and false - on my Ebay
account 
Regards

Matteo

--- Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Rob,
 
 The address I have on Cosmic Visitors (Brad Sampson)
 is:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 That may be the same address you have for him. I got
 the one above
 from his recently closed eBay auctions.
 
 After all I have read about Brad on the list I
 wouldn't have bid on any
 of his auctions, but Cosmic Visitors didn't ring
 any bells with me, so
 I won one last night. We'll see what develops on
 that!!!
 
 Matteo may have something more recent.  (Bad joke!)
 
 Jerry Wallace
 
 Few things are harder to put up with than the
 annoyance of a good 
 example.
 
   
  Mark Twain
 


 
 
 Rob Wesel wrote:
 
 Hello all-
 Who is the owner of Cosmic Visitors and do any of
 you have a current email
 address? The link for e-mail on the site comes back
 to me every time
 undeliverable.
 
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[Michael Farmer]

that is Brad Sampson, always missing in action.
Mike Farmer
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From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:26 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


 Hello all-
 Who is the owner of Cosmic Visitors and do any of you have a current email
 address? The link for e-mail on the site comes back to me every time
 undeliverable.

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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Jonathan Gore]

I don't know!!! It keeps doing this and I can't stop it! I had no trouble
until I joined this list. I don't have the worm. This file is off my backup
hp recovery disc (disk D). I often get 20 of the same e-mail from this list.
Something is wrong.

Jonathan M. Gore
The Wonderful Wolfgang Mozart  Albert Einstein
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From: Stephen E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


| Why do you keep sending us this?  Thanks Steve
|
| Jonathan Gore wrote:
|
|  [boot loader]
|  timeout=0
|  default=C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT
|  [operating systems]
|  multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS=Microsoft Windows XP
|  Professional /fastdetect
|  C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT=Microsoft Windows Recovery Console /cmdcons
| 
|
  
| Name: BOOT.INI
| BOOT.INIType: Configuration Settings
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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

The same for me I have received 6 emails with the same
subject, attachment and text.
Regards

matteo

--- Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't know!!! It keeps doing this and I can't stop
 it! I had no trouble
 until I joined this list. I don't have the worm.
 This file is off my backup
 hp recovery disc (disk D). I often get 20 of the
 same e-mail from this list.
 Something is wrong.
 
 Jonathan M. Gore
 The Wonderful Wolfgang Mozart  Albert Einstein
 - Original Message -
 From: Stephen E. Smith
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)
 
 
 | Why do you keep sending us this?  Thanks Steve
 |
 | Jonathan Gore wrote:
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 |  [boot loader]
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multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS=Microsoft
 Windows XP
 |  Professional /fastdetect
 |  C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT=Microsoft Windows
 Recovery Console /cmdcons
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[Tom / james Knudson]

With all the virus's going around I would sure like to know why I have got this many times today and what it is!Thanks, Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Cosmic Visitors]

 The treeswere actually blown outward in a 
butterfly shape and not a circle.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Rosemary 
  Hackney 
  To: Mark Bostick ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2002 11:30 
  PM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] (no 
  subject)
  
  I just read a description that Mark Bostick had 
  on ebay concerning a book called Tungeska. Cauldron of Hell.
  Is this where the trees were blow outward 
  in a circle in Siberia? Why is it called the cauldron of 
  hell?
  
  Allusions have been made that it was a space ship 
  that "exploded" above Siberia. Supposedly, the same thing would have 
  happened at Roswell. The alien ship was in trouble...but in order to 
  correct descent or crash they would have to have gone into "hyperdrive". If 
  they had done that, they would have wiped out about a quarter of the southwest 
  from the blast. Instead, they opted to crash. Perhaps at Tungeska, they 
  did not opt to crash.. instead went into hyperdrive .. which left the damage 
  with no evidence ofcause. Perhaps in a more populated area around 
  Roswell, they made the decision to crash instead of making another 
  Tungeska... thus giving away their presence on this world.
  
  Just a thought...
  
  Rosie

Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)

[Mark Miconi]

Steve,
Would it not be easier to thank those that have purchased from you
personally, or is this another way that you have found to once again
continually spam us with reminders of your sale?

At least take the time to put AD in the subject line so we all know it is
another sale advertisement.
Though I have cable access and bandwidth is not an issue for me, there are
many that are not as fortunate.

Just something you might think about...

Mark M.
- Original Message -
From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


 Good evening list. I hope you all have a great weekend. I want to thank
 the people who have bought from me so far. I redid my forsale page, and
 added 3 new things. I also marked down everything to their 70% off. So the
 price you see, is the price you pay. As always, if you have something for
 trade, I'm always open. Especially for micro and macromounts!

   steve arnold, chicago!

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[mafer]

Hi Joseph and list
it was opticon. if you go to my website, I show how to make a chamber for
lower vacumms (not high, near absolute)...www.domafer.com  use the pulldown
menu and go to treating matrix opal
Mark

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 From: Joseph Murakami [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 11:39 PM
 To: mafer
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


 Yours are excellent suggestions and the sort of comments on this
 list that I
 look forward to reading.  Thanks so much for your suggestions.  I've
 polished opals and I've dealt with preservation issues with my pallasites,
 my Brenham 10 platter, my Mt Vernon, and unhappily, my Brahin, also a 10
 platter.  Opticon has been tried, as have thick epoxy coats, but alas, the
 rusting goes on beneath the veniere of epoxy.  I think your method might
 work, especially in conjunction with the vacuuming.  I've not worked with
 fracture sealers and am curious where sources might be for such a product.
 I'm already thinking that the old fashion dessication chambers with the
 vacuum valve at the tops, if one can be located, might be ideal for your
 vacuum method...   I'll go search the Internet for gemstone preservatives,
 but any sources would be appreciated.  Thanks for your time...

 Joseph
 Honolulu


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 From: mafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2002 5:12 PM
 Subject: [meteorite-list] (no subject)


  Greetings list
 
  I'm seeing many questions about presurvation of meteorites and am
 wondering
  if what we do with opal and turquoise wouldn't help some. What we do is
  place the rocks in a container filled with (not to the top mind
 you, just
  enough to cover the stones) fracture sealer WITHout the
 hardener. This is
  then place in a vacumm chamber and evacuated til the sealer starts
  outgassing (bubbles and foams). At this point the valve on the
 chamber is
  closed and the setup is allowed to sit for a few hours to allow all the
 air
  and moisture to excape. When the valve is reopened and pressure
 allowed to
  return to room normal, the stone sucks in the sealer where once moisture
 and
  air was before. Then, remove the stones from the sealer and paint on
  hardener. The hardener seeps in where the sealer went and hardens it and
  thus we strenghen the stone and preserve it. On gemstones, this glossy
 outer
  covering is usually ground away in the formation of a gemstone for
 jewelry,
  but on a meteorite, it would also be removed from surfaces that were
  polished to show structure.
 
  Mark
 
 
 
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[Stephen E. Smith]

We know!!   We know.   Jeez, enough already.   Steve Smith

Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote:

 Hello list. I have even better news. I'm offering the 12.5 gram slice of
 the TUCSON RING for the same price. This is the one for sale, not the 10
 gram slice. But think, you are getting 2.5 grams more for the same price.
 Please let me know. I now have a photo of it.
steve

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[Matteo Chinellato]

ARG!! You are a SPAMMMER! ;-)

Matteo

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[John Gwilliam]

Congratulations Steve Arnold (Chicago), you have just been inducted into my 
Meteorite List Hall of Spam.  All inductees have a special filter designed 
just for them in my Eudora Pro email software.

John Gwilliam



At 06:08 PM 5/29/02 -0500, SSTEVE ARNOLD wrote:
If you guys think that Blood's trinitite is hot, or the uranium balls are 
hot stuff, you ought to see how hot my BETAFITE is! It is available, as 
always for a trade or sale.

S. R. Arnold, Chicago!!


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[Michael Farmer]

Steve, this is too many emails about this, we all saw the 
first and second and third..
Mike Farmer

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  SSTEVE 
  ARNOLD 
  To: METEORITECENTRAL 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:23 AM
  Subject: [meteorite-list] (no 
  subject)
  
  Hi list. I'm still looking for people to trade fossils for meteorites. 
  The total value is around $400. Ido not care if I get just 1 meteorite for all 
  these. They are quality fossils, so no junk here. I AM A METEORITE COLLECTOR! 
  I have had some reply's, but nothing I can hang my hat on. Please let me know. 
  Ireally want to depart with these.
  
  p.s. I'll work with anyone on making a deal. 
  EEELLL!S. R. Arnold, 
Chicago!!

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[Starbits]

I asked her if she was an artist and expected some kind of  artistic reply, but she 
just said Nope...

Rob 

   I thought your story was interesting so I checked out the site.  When I read the 
following sentence and remembered her reply I burst out laughing.

She was shortlisted for the Turner Prize in 1997.

  For those of you who don't know about the Turner Prize it is a huge media event 
where the British art elite show the world they have less of a concept of art than the 
average first grader.  I believe this years grand prize winner was an empty room where 
the light switched on and off.  At least her reply was honest! ;-))

Eric Olson
http://www.star-bits.com

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[John Gwilliam]

What a clever idea.  I have just enough time before the Tucson Show to 
produce a few of these maps.  First I'll need to locate Farmer's house on a 
map..then Haag'sInnsuites...;-)

See you all there,

John


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Hi folks,
I quite often receive emails and phone calls from people who are looking to
buy a one-off meteorite for reasons other than building up a collection. Some
of the proposed uses have been pretty weird and often unworkable, but the one
that sticks in my mind the most was about 3 years ago from a lady in England
you wanted to buy a meteoriteany kind of small meteorite that I can heat
up in a flame and use to burn through paper.
I had to find out more, so I asked her what her plans were. Apparently, she
wanted to take a map of London, heat up a small iron meteorite and place it
on the site of London's Millenium Dome. I asked her if she was an artist and
expected some kind of  artistic reply, but she just said Nope..I just
don't like the Millenium Dome and it's concept.
Oky!!! I made a small sale and that was the end of it I thought. Until I
saw this... http://www.multiplestore.org/docs/parker.html

It sounds crazy, but I notice that the limited edition has all sold out,
and if the price of the meteorite map on eBay is anything to go by, she's
done pretty well too.

Curiouser and curiouser!

Cheers,
Rob E.
http://fernlea.tripod.com/forsale.html
Fernlea Meteorites,
The Wynd,
Off Dickson Lane,
Milton of Balgonie,
Fife. KY7 6PY
United Kingdom
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