Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe
Now, inquiring minds want to know---are you speaking from expierence?? Hi John, As far as grunt work who hasn't at one time or another - In my case as a young chemist my first job involved major grunt-work exercising non-ideal gaseous equations of state for different chemical compounds in the upper atmosphere. The grunt-work paid off though and was great fun and that nerdy stuff led to a successful project to formulate #5 for Channel, which then ... ... unexpectedly led to demonstrating the fine spray patterns as the young face of technical service when visiting the top fragrance companies; being introduced to a wild sales force and given a company charge card in the era that no one audited our expense reports as long as we left the clients happy. Hope that satisfies the inquiry! What's wrong with the world today is that no one wants to grunt anymore, but those that do get their hands dirty are frequently admirable achievers: http://www.lindseypollak.com/archives/why-%E2%80%9Cgrunt-work%E2%80%9D-matters Kindest wishes Doug --Original Message- From: John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 8:48 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe Hello Doug, Just got in and had a good laugh. Now, inquiring minds want to know---are you speaking from expierence?? John - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; countde...@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe Come on guys, I say hope the Grunt spacecraft grunts even louder ... - some nicer words in this terrible setback for the exploration of space whether by Russians, Chinese or the rest of us. Please don't forget that the sexiest grunting comes from the best examples of the female animal of our species when in their prime; especially hot Russian women (I'm referring to the tennis players): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LawWhZcmV0 http://www.metacafe.com/watch/74044/maria_sharapova_in_sports_illustrated_swimsuit/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/5578662/Wimbledon-2009-top-10-grunters-on-the-womens-tour.html http://www.iol.co.za/sport/i-will-continue-to-grunt-maria-tells-moaners-1.559623 Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:52 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe The Count wrote: Strange things can happen to your spacecraft Especially if the probe is called * g r u n t * (grunt = a short low sound an animal makes in its throat) Sometimes nomen est omen ;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe
Just an off handed comment to all, Russia and China are being reminded that it isn't smart to screw around with the United States of America strategically, or economically. Strange things can happen to your spacecraft, nuclear programs, computer systems and the life spans of some of your more brillant scientists. If you believe that all that tonnage was to launch a single planetary probe...you be naive'. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Sent: Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15841896 Little hope for stuck Phobos Grunt probe By Jonathan Amos BBC News November 22, 2011 Phobos-Grunt - Mishap sequence * 9 Nov: The probe launches successfully on its Zenit rocket from the Baikonur Cosmodrome * It is dropped off 11 minutes later in an elliptical orbit some 345km above the Earth * Two firings from the probe's hydrazine-fuelled cruise stage were planed over South America * The first, lasting 11.5 minutes, should have raised the orbit of Phobos-Grunt to 4,000km * A second burn, four hours into the mission, was to have sent the probe on a path to Mars * Russian space agency officials say neither burn on the big cruise stage took place * The probe remains in a low-Earth orbit while the anomaly is investigated by engineers * After two weeks, contact is still impossible; but the probe maintains its orbit * Eventually, it would fall back to Earth. Roscosmos says perhaps between December and February The Russian space agency has conceded there is now little chance of reviving its Mars mission, Phobos-Grunt. The probe has been stuck circling the Earth since its launch on 9 November, unable to fire the engine that would take it on to the Red Planet. Engineers have tried in vain to contact the spacecraft, and Roscosmos deputy head Vitaliy Davydov said the situation now looked very grim. One should be a realist, he was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti. If we've been unable to establish communication with [Phobos-Grunt] for such a long time, there are few chances that we shall fulfil the expedition now, were his comments reported by the Russian news agency at a press conference in mission control centre at Korolev on the outskirts of Moscow. If we establish contact [with the probe] and begin to understand what's wrong with it, then we shall be able to draw some conclusions, Davydov said. Later, another Russian news agency, Interfax, quoted Davydov as saying that Phobos-Grunt might fall from orbit anytime between late December 2011 and February 2012. It is an interesting question how [the probe] will behave. There is fuel on board. If there is an explosion, it is one thing, but if it simply starts falling apart with no explosion, then it is another thing, Interfax reported the deputy head as saying. The spacecraft weighed some 13 tonnes at launch - double the mass of Nasa's recently re-entered UARS satellite. What is more, most of the 13 tonnes is made up by the propellants unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) and dinitrogen tetroxide (DTO), both of which are toxic. If the Phobos-Grunt mission is truly lost, then professional and amateur groups will be modelling its orbit in an attempt to determine precisely where and when it might come down. As with UARS, much of the spacecraft will burn up in the atmosphere; but any parts made of high-temperature metals, such as titanium or stainless steel, stand a chance of making it all the way to the surface. Indeed, it is the fuel tanks that often survive the fall because their spherical shapes enable them to spin up and dissipate heat more easily. However, the probability is that any debris would hit the ocean, given that more than 70% of the Earth's surface is covered by water. This was the case with UARS and the German Rosat X-Ray telescope that returned to Earth last month. To date, Phobos-Grunt has been maintaining its orbit, but trackers will be monitoring the spacecraft closely to catch any change in its behaviour. The probe was built to land on the Martian moon Phobos and scoop up rock for return to Earth. Such a venture would yield fascinating new insights into the origin of the 27km-wide moon and the planet it circles. The mission was also notable because China's first Mars satellite, Yinghuo-1, was launched piggy-back on the main Russian spacecraft. jonathan.amos-inter...@bbc.co.uk __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe
Bernd wrote: (grunt= a short low sound and animal makes in its throat) It also is in the American English vernacular as meaning: (A basic U.S. Army infantry rifleman) Best to Bernd and our associates around the world for good health, and to all Americans of faith, a Happy Thanksgiving! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Sent: Nov 22, 2011 12:52 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe The Count wrote: Strange things can happen to your spacecraft Especially if the probe is called * g r u n t * (grunt = a short low sound an animal makes in its throat) Sometimes nomen est omen ;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe
Come on guys, I say hope the Grunt spacecraft grunts even louder ... - some nicer words in this terrible setback for the exploration of space whether by Russians, Chinese or the rest of us. Please don't forget that the sexiest grunting comes from the best examples of the female animal of our species when in their prime; especially hot Russian women (I'm referring to the tennis players): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LawWhZcmV0 http://www.metacafe.com/watch/74044/maria_sharapova_in_sports_illustrated_swimsuit/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/5578662/Wimbledon-2009-top-10-grunters-on-the-womens-tour.html http://www.iol.co.za/sport/i-will-continue-to-grunt-maria-tells-moaners-1.559623 Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:52 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe The Count wrote: Strange things can happen to your spacecraft Especially if the probe is called * g r u n t * (grunt = a short low sound an animal makes in its throat) Sometimes nomen est omen ;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe
Hey Count, That is really funny! Thanks for the good laugh. Hopefully not true but I am sure it would be very easy for them to secretly mess with other spacecrafts if they wanted to. Abe -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Count Deiro Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:20 PM To: Ron Baalke; Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe Just an off handed comment to all, Russia and China are being reminded that it isn't smart to screw around with the United States of America strategically, or economically. Strange things can happen to your spacecraft, nuclear programs, computer systems and the life spans of some of your more brillant scientists. If you believe that all that tonnage was to launch a single planetary probe...you be naive'. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Sent: Nov 22, 2011 9:57 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15841896 Little hope for stuck Phobos Grunt probe By Jonathan Amos BBC News November 22, 2011 Phobos-Grunt - Mishap sequence * 9 Nov: The probe launches successfully on its Zenit rocket from the Baikonur Cosmodrome * It is dropped off 11 minutes later in an elliptical orbit some 345km above the Earth * Two firings from the probe's hydrazine-fuelled cruise stage were planed over South America * The first, lasting 11.5 minutes, should have raised the orbit of Phobos-Grunt to 4,000km * A second burn, four hours into the mission, was to have sent the probe on a path to Mars * Russian space agency officials say neither burn on the big cruise stage took place * The probe remains in a low-Earth orbit while the anomaly is investigated by engineers * After two weeks, contact is still impossible; but the probe maintains its orbit * Eventually, it would fall back to Earth. Roscosmos says perhaps between December and February The Russian space agency has conceded there is now little chance of reviving its Mars mission, Phobos-Grunt. The probe has been stuck circling the Earth since its launch on 9 November, unable to fire the engine that would take it on to the Red Planet. Engineers have tried in vain to contact the spacecraft, and Roscosmos deputy head Vitaliy Davydov said the situation now looked very grim. One should be a realist, he was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti. If we've been unable to establish communication with [Phobos-Grunt] for such a long time, there are few chances that we shall fulfil the expedition now, were his comments reported by the Russian news agency at a press conference in mission control centre at Korolev on the outskirts of Moscow. If we establish contact [with the probe] and begin to understand what's wrong with it, then we shall be able to draw some conclusions, Davydov said. Later, another Russian news agency, Interfax, quoted Davydov as saying that Phobos-Grunt might fall from orbit anytime between late December 2011 and February 2012. It is an interesting question how [the probe] will behave. There is fuel on board. If there is an explosion, it is one thing, but if it simply starts falling apart with no explosion, then it is another thing, Interfax reported the deputy head as saying. The spacecraft weighed some 13 tonnes at launch - double the mass of Nasa's recently re-entered UARS satellite. What is more, most of the 13 tonnes is made up by the propellants unsymmetrical dimethylhydrazine (UDMH) and dinitrogen tetroxide (DTO), both of which are toxic. If the Phobos-Grunt mission is truly lost, then professional and amateur groups will be modelling its orbit in an attempt to determine precisely where and when it might come down. As with UARS, much of the spacecraft will burn up in the atmosphere; but any parts made of high-temperature metals, such as titanium or stainless steel, stand a chance of making it all the way to the surface. Indeed, it is the fuel tanks that often survive the fall because their spherical shapes enable them to spin up and dissipate heat more easily. However, the probability is that any debris would hit the ocean, given that more than 70% of the Earth's surface is covered by water. This was the case with UARS and the German Rosat X-Ray telescope that returned to Earth last month. To date, Phobos-Grunt has been maintaining its orbit, but trackers will be monitoring the spacecraft closely to catch any change in its behaviour. The probe was built to land on the Martian moon Phobos and scoop up rock for return to Earth. Such a venture would yield fascinating new insights into the origin of the 27km-wide moon and the planet it circles. The mission was also
Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe
Hello Doug, Just got in and had a good laugh. Now, inquiring minds want to know---are you speaking from expierence?? John - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; countde...@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe Come on guys, I say hope the Grunt spacecraft grunts even louder ... - some nicer words in this terrible setback for the exploration of space whether by Russians, Chinese or the rest of us. Please don't forget that the sexiest grunting comes from the best examples of the female animal of our species when in their prime; especially hot Russian women (I'm referring to the tennis players): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LawWhZcmV0 http://www.metacafe.com/watch/74044/maria_sharapova_in_sports_illustrated_swimsuit/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/wimbledon/5578662/Wimbledon-2009-top-10-grunters-on-the-womens-tour.html http://www.iol.co.za/sport/i-will-continue-to-grunt-maria-tells-moaners-1.559623 Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, Nov 22, 2011 3:52 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Little Hope For Stuck Phobos Grunt Probe The Count wrote: Strange things can happen to your spacecraft Especially if the probe is called * g r u n t * (grunt = a short low sound an animal makes in its throat) Sometimes nomen est omen ;-) Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
