Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite-related: new Apollo 11 film

[Greg Redfern via Meteorite-list]

All,

Apollo 11 the Movie is a MUST SEE.

I saw it at Udvar Hazy IMAX and it was the next best thing to being
there

Sky Guy Greg

Greg Redfern
Author, *"Cruise Ship Astronomy and Astrophotography", available via
Springer Astronomy
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On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 9:06 AM Dolores Hill via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Greetings Meteorite-List friends and lunar meteorite admirers,
>
> Before we identified lunar meteorites that collided with Earth, the only
> samples of the moon for research came from the Apollo and Luna missions.
>
> *We invite you to enjoy **Apollo 11*, a new film premiering this Friday
> at The Loft Cinema in Tucson, Arizona. It contains never-before-seen
> footage from this historic mission to the moon. Watch it on the biggest
> screen in southern Arizona (perhaps all of Arizona?) and feel the adventure
> as you ride along with Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Michael Collins.
> (Be sure to select "screen 1" showtimes). See here for more information:
> https://loftcinema.org/film/apollo-11/
>
> Staff from the Lunar and Planetary Laboratory will greet you before the
> evening showings on Friday and display moon maps made by Gerard Kuiper's
> team that helped determine landing sites and assisted astronauts with
> crater identification. We will also display modern moon globes and a disk
> from the University of Arizona's Bicentennial Moon Tree whose seeds
> traveled to the moon and back on Apollo 14.
>
>
> In addition, for LPL's *Apollo50 Celebration on July 20, 2019*, we are
> looking for those who worked on some aspect of the Apollo missions. We want
> to hear your story! Contact Maria Schuchardt at mari...@lpl.arizona.edu
> if you would like to share your contribution or a family member's
> contribution.
>
> Best regards,
> Dolores Hill
>
> --
> Dolores H. Hill
> Sr. Research Specialist
> Lunar & Planetary Laboratory
> Kuiper Space Sciences Bldg. #92
> The University of Arizona
> 1629 E. University Blvd.
> Tucson, AZ 85721http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/
>
> OSIRIS-REx Asteroid Sample Return Mission Communication & Public Engagement 
> Team
> Lead OSIRIS-REx Ambassadors program
> Co-lead OSIRIS-REx Target Asteroids! citizen science program
> Co-coordinator Target NEOs! observing program of the Astronomical League
> Association of Lunar & Planetary Observers - Meteorite Section
> http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/http://osiris-rex.lpl.arizona.edu/?q=target_asteroidshttp://www.astroleague.org/files/u3/NEO_HomePage.pdf
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar thin slices. (Ad)

[Michael Blood via Meteorite-list]

Greetings,

As you know I now rarely post to the list - but I do follow it.

I purchased some large pieces of NWA 11273 Lunar Feldspathic Regolith Breccia.
I had it thin (2mm) sliced and each slice polished on one side and smooth wire 
cut
On the other side by the premier meteorite cutter, Marlin Cilz.

As you have been informed, this material is no longer being released to the 
collecting
Community While you can still get this from ET at $25/g, it is a stone over 1 
Kg and over
$12K (TOTALLY a steal)…. These are THIN, polished slices. If you want a chunk 
of this
Material, you can still get it at bargain prices - here are some KILLER thinly 
sliced pieces
At a price that allows any collector to have a LARGE slice in their collection. 

See these gems here:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/LunarSALE.html 


Thanks and very best wishes to all,
Michael Blood


PS: Sorry, no shipping to Italy 
US and Canada, $6.65 Priority Mail
Outside US $25 registered mail
CA residents only, add 8.75% CA sales tax

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Crater Drone Crash Video - Team LunarRock

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

Hi Mike and List,

Yes, the Jeep Rubicon's third-party, Special Operations Voice Command 
computer was very annoying. My wife thought it would help if I reprogrammed 
the stock Special Operations Commander's manly voice to a softer woman's 
voice with a southern drawl.  My wife changed my call handle on the computer 
from "Scorpion" to "Honey Badger" and finally to "Honey Do Badger" thinking 
it would be funny since I complained so much about the computer telling me 
what to do.


Now, I had two women telling me telling me how to drive, "watch out", 
"engaging rollover mitigation", "your too close to that rock", "downshifting 
on your command, Honey Do Badger " and "you better slowdown."   This is when 
I shut it down for the rest of the trip and relied on the standard computer 
and my wife who realized the computer was not good for my blood pressure.


Lunar Crater, Nevada is presumed to be volcanic.

Here is link to wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Crater_National_Natural_Landmark

Best Regards,

Adam 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Crater Drone Crash Video - Team LunarRock

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Adam and List,

Technology is a necessary evil. From what I have read, crashes seem to
be a regular issue with drones, regardless of how experienced the
operator is. I guess somebody needs to build a robust drone that
doesn't rely on plastic and Chinese parts. Of course, weight is an
issue, so I guess that is why they use so much plastic. Maybe carbon
fiber composites could be used - expensive, but tough and lightweight.

So what is this "Lunar Crater"?  Is it a volcanic feature? It
certainly looks like a meteorite impact crater, but looks can be
deceiving.  I am assuming it is not meteoritic, since there has never
been any mention of meteorites or impactites found there.

I think I would have squelched the verbose computer as well. Having a
digital voice barking orders while one is trying to concentrate would
be annoying at best, if not downright dangerous.

Best regards and Happy Huntings,

MikeG



On 12/20/16, Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Dear List Members,
>
> Our last trip proves that depending too much on technology is not always a
> good thing.   We lost our drone capabilities on the third day of the Team
> LunarRock expedition last September.  Two team members, "Action Jackson" and
>
> my stepson temporarily separated from the rest of the eight person, four
> vehicle group on our way to northern Nevada.  They managed to crash the
> navigation drone at Lunar Crater, Nevada before we had a chance to use it on
>
> the rest of the trip.  Action Jackson is an expert drone pilot having solved
>
> the "Giant Crystal" mystery at Christmas Tree Pass with it two days before
> and a night flight over Pahrump the previous evening in addition to hundreds
>
> of hours of logged flight time.  The range had been extended on this drone
> so that we could use it to scout ahead when navigating uncharted trails and
>
> to determine property boundaries so that we would not end up on somebody's
> else's land or worse yet, a mining claim where you are likely to be shot.
>
> Image of drone pre-packed for the Team LunarRock September Nevada
> expedition.
> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Nevada2016Trip/DronePreFlight.jpg
>
> An example of one of the flight plans over our Rye Patch, Nevada property
> near where "Curious Iron Stones" were being found by miners.  I will get
> into the surprising findings to what the "Curious Iron Stones" actually
> turned out to be later:
> http://themeteoritesite.com/adam/Nevada2016Trip/DroneFlightPlan13.jpg
>
> It doesn't matter how much you prepare for a trip.  Unexpected events always
>
> seem to crop up on them. Our backup drone was not ready for the trip so it
> was left behind.  It was never registered anyway.  You will note that the
> Jeep Cherokee in the video is the same one that I was offering a few weeks
> ago.  The Jeep Cherokee is like an old friend, always reliable, always
> getting us into tough areas and then out again making it difficult to part
> with.  This 2,200 plus mile journey was the last expedition that we had
> planned for it since we have more than enough updated 4X4s to handle future
>
> trips.  Speaking about updates, I had to turn off our navigation computers
> in the updated Jeep Rubicons since they became annoying, constantly warning
>
> us about dangerous trail conditions, rollovers and steep terrain. I do not
> need a computer telling when to disconnect the sway bars or engaging the
> lockers.  It became nerve-wracking having  the computer distracting me with
>
> verbal commands when paralleling a 300 foot cliff with inches to spare.  The
>
> computer would unexpectedly engage traction control, downhill and uphill
> assists making it even more problematic and unpredictable.  This made me
> appreciate the simple and very effective Quadra-Trac 4X4 system in the older
>
> Jeep Cherokee.
>
> Here is the video of the drone taking spectacular footage of Lunar Crater
> before meeting its demise at the very end:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C0QWSGn108
>
> Although the crash doesn't appear to be much, dust got into one of the
> Chinese-made motors and seized it permanently.  Even though the flight
> capabilities were gone, we managed to use its 12 decimal point navigation
> system, which is far more accurate than our Garmin Rhino GPSs to find
> property monument markers, boundaries and other destinations by hanging it
> out the window while driving.  It is interesting to note that Moon dust also
>
> raised havoc with equipment during the Apollo and Luna missions.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Adam Hupe
> Tem LunarRock
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Milk

[John Lutzon via Meteorite-list]

Hmmm, meteorite cookies & milk..

I dunk--do you? 


- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Gessler via Meteorite-list" 
To: "meteorite-list" 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 10:26 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Milk



Just cut a new Lunar on the saw.
Here is a fun video for you..plus how to extract the most sought after 
Lunar Milk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9SKaEKM5zo


-Paul Gessler 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

[Larry Lebofsky via Meteorite-list]

Sterling and Paul:

There were also two conferences (at least) on lunar habitats that
discussed the existence and use of lava tubes that were held in 1986 and
1988 (we were "designing" these in our education workshops in the early
90s). Heinlein wrote several books about underground lunar habitats (late
50s to early 60s), but not sure if any of them were actually mentioned to
be built in lava tubes.

> Paul, List,
>
> The earliest references on the
> Marius Hills lava tubes go back
> to 1971-2. See the references in:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube
>
> Then, there was a quiet among
> publications; one in 1992, but
> then after 2000, a flurry of lava
> tube publications, as you can see
> in the bibliography of the above.
>
> A great picture of lunar lava
> tubes at:
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Lunar_collapse_pits.jpg
>
> 2014 saw a raft of publications
> on Martian lava tubes; see the
> bibliography in this:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_lava_tube
>
> Few earlier papers but this great
> photo shows Martian lava tubes:
> https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9220-lava-tubes-snapped-snaking-acros
> s-mars/
> It was taken by Mars Express in
> 2004 but only released this week.
> Yup! That's the ticket --- sit on
> your data... for a decade.
>
> The surface radiation on Mars
> isn't as bad as on the Moon, but
> humans still need protection
> from it, especially if you intend
> to stay on Mars for long.
>
> And last, a remarkable look into
> a lava tube on Earth, seen as a
> Martian analogue, with lots of
> photos:
> https://walking-on-red-dust.com/2016/01/19/the-cave/
>
> I'm going to say "remarkable"
> again.
>
> And giving credit, the novelist Kim
> Stanley Robinson set much of the
> second book of his Martian Trilogy,
> "Green Mars," written in 1994, in
> Dorsa Brevia, the dorsae being
> believed to be Martian lava tubes.
>
> Sterling Webb
> ---
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:19 PM
> To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts
>
> Lunar Shelter: Moon Caves Could Protect Astronauts By Nola Taylor Redd,
> Space.com
> http://www.space.com/32795-moon-lava-tubes-protect-astronauts.html
>
> Scientists May Have Spotted Buried Lava Tubes on the Moon by Nadia Drake ,
> No Place Like Home (Blog)
> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/scientists-may-have-spott
> ed-buried-lava-tubes-on-the-moon/
>
> Marius Hills Pit - Lava Tube Skylight?
> Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
> NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]
> http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/202
>
> The Marius Hills pit is a possible skylight in a lava tube in an ancient
> volcanic region of the Moon called the Marius Hills. This LROC image is
> the
> highest resolution image of the pit to date. Image width is 500 meters,
> pixel width is 0.5 meters, NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State
> University]
> http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M114328462R_thumb.png
>
> Theoretical study suggests huge lava tubes could exist on moon, University
> of Perdue,
> http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/theoretical-study-suggests-h
> uge-lava-tubes-could-exist-on-moon.html
>
> Yours,
>
> Paul H.
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

Paul, List,

The earliest references on the 
Marius Hills lava tubes go back 
to 1971-2. See the references in:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_lava_tube

Then, there was a quiet among 
publications; one in 1992, but 
then after 2000, a flurry of lava 
tube publications, as you can see 
in the bibliography of the above.

A great picture of lunar lava 
tubes at:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0d/Lunar_collapse_pits.jpg

2014 saw a raft of publications 
on Martian lava tubes; see the 
bibliography in this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_lava_tube

Few earlier papers but this great 
photo shows Martian lava tubes:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn9220-lava-tubes-snapped-snaking-acros
s-mars/
It was taken by Mars Express in 
2004 but only released this week. 
Yup! That's the ticket --- sit on 
your data... for a decade.

The surface radiation on Mars 
isn't as bad as on the Moon, but 
humans still need protection 
from it, especially if you intend 
to stay on Mars for long.

And last, a remarkable look into 
a lava tube on Earth, seen as a 
Martian analogue, with lots of 
photos:
https://walking-on-red-dust.com/2016/01/19/the-cave/

I'm going to say "remarkable" 
again.

And giving credit, the novelist Kim 
Stanley Robinson set much of the 
second book of his Martian Trilogy, 
"Green Mars," written in 1994, in 
Dorsa Brevia, the dorsae being 
believed to be Martian lava tubes.

Sterling Webb
---
-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of Paul via Meteorite-list
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 8:19 PM
To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Lava Tubes Could Protect Astronauts

Lunar Shelter: Moon Caves Could Protect Astronauts By Nola Taylor Redd,
Space.com http://www.space.com/32795-moon-lava-tubes-protect-astronauts.html

Scientists May Have Spotted Buried Lava Tubes on the Moon by Nadia Drake ,
No Place Like Home (Blog)
http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/scientists-may-have-spott
ed-buried-lava-tubes-on-the-moon/

Marius Hills Pit - Lava Tube Skylight?
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/posts/202

The Marius Hills pit is a possible skylight in a lava tube in an ancient
volcanic region of the Moon called the Marius Hills. This LROC image is the
highest resolution image of the pit to date. Image width is 500 meters,
pixel width is 0.5 meters, NAC M114328462R [NASA/GSFC/Arizona State
University]
http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/LROCiotw/M114328462R_thumb.png

Theoretical study suggests huge lava tubes could exist on moon, University
of Perdue,
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/theoretical-study-suggests-h
uge-lava-tubes-could-exist-on-moon.html

Yours,

Paul H.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Count Deiro via Meteorite-list]

Well put, Adam. 

For years, I owned and operated a company that sold at auction the whole gamut 
of collectibles. You nailed it in your dissertation on the ebb and flow of 
values and how they are affected by our everchanging culture. I remember when 
big brass autos of the early 20th. Century brought hundreds of thousands of 
dollars. Now they are boat anchors.

Guido   

-Original Message-
>From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list 
>Sent: May 29, 2015 5:00 PM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
>
>It not just the lower end of the planetaries being hit; it is widespread. 
>Meteorite prices in general have been falling steadily for years due mainly 
>to increased supply but have been hit particularly hard since 2008.  Falls 
>like Peekskill, Claxton and others can now be had for a fraction of the 
>price they were once going for.  Collectors are becoming more patient 
>knowing that the price of a new fall will drop significantly when all the 
>hype and newness wears off. Collectors have a lot to choose from as far as 
>Martian, Lunar and other rare meteorites go. Like most collectables at the 
>top tier, high end Lunar specimens are holding their price and putting 
>downward price pressure on other less than pristine Lunar meteorites. 
>Buyers determine the long-term price, not dealers, especially in a very thin 
>market!
>
>Other collectables like artifacts, fossils, minerals and art have held their 
>price or made gains on the extreme high end only.   The middle class that 
>used to create the demand for most collectables has been pinched hard or 
>eliminated leaving very little wiggle room in their wallets for luxuries 
>like collectables.  They are now way more discerning about how they spend 
>their hard earned cash than ever before. The saying in collectables is "buy 
>what you can afford at the high end."  This is because it is a well-known 
>fact that top tier collectables will always outperform all others.
>
>Be glad you are not into antiques or baseball cards.  It seems the younger 
>crowd is not interested in anything other than the latest gadgets these days 
>and could care less about collectables with the exception of their daddy's 
>1960's muscle car which they hope to one day inherit since they cannot 
>possibly afford one of their own.
>
>Happy Hunting,
>
>Adam
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" 
>
>To: "Shawn Alan" 
>Cc: "Meteorite Central" 
>Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
>
>
>> Hi Shawn,
>>
>> I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
>> time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
>> deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
>> a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
>> approved in the Met Bulletin.
>>
>> New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
>> supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
>> or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
>> from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
>> offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.
>>
>> In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
>> relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
>> middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.
>>
>> In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
>> supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
>> new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
>> to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
>> are a dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
>> market.
>>
>> I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
>> who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
>> majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
>> yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
>> depress the asking prices even further.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> MikeG
>> -- 
>> -
>> Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list]

It not just the lower end of the planetaries being hit; it is widespread. 
Meteorite prices in general have been falling steadily for years due mainly 
to increased supply but have been hit particularly hard since 2008.  Falls 
like Peekskill, Claxton and others can now be had for a fraction of the 
price they were once going for.  Collectors are becoming more patient 
knowing that the price of a new fall will drop significantly when all the 
hype and newness wears off. Collectors have a lot to choose from as far as 
Martian, Lunar and other rare meteorites go. Like most collectables at the 
top tier, high end Lunar specimens are holding their price and putting 
downward price pressure on other less than pristine Lunar meteorites. 
Buyers determine the long-term price, not dealers, especially in a very thin 
market!


Other collectables like artifacts, fossils, minerals and art have held their 
price or made gains on the extreme high end only.   The middle class that 
used to create the demand for most collectables has been pinched hard or 
eliminated leaving very little wiggle room in their wallets for luxuries 
like collectables.  They are now way more discerning about how they spend 
their hard earned cash than ever before. The saying in collectables is "buy 
what you can afford at the high end."  This is because it is a well-known 
fact that top tier collectables will always outperform all others.


Be glad you are not into antiques or baseball cards.  It seems the younger 
crowd is not interested in anything other than the latest gadgets these days 
and could care less about collectables with the exception of their daddy's 
1960's muscle car which they hope to one day inherit since they cannot 
possibly afford one of their own.


Happy Hunting,

Adam

- Original Message - 
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" 


To: "Shawn Alan" 
Cc: "Meteorite Central" 
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts



Hi Shawn,

I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
approved in the Met Bulletin.

New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.

In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.

In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
are a dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
market.

I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
depress the asking prices even further.

Best regards,

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On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 wrote:

Hello Listers

I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.

My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
shifted in value?

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633
ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
Website http://meteoritefalls.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

It's true that for those prices you need to lay out some money. 

Sent from my iPad

> On May 30, 2015, at 8:29 AM, Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dennis,
> 
> From what I hear if you have $50,000 to spend you can buy cheap lunar
> meteorites. The retail prices that I have seen are $300 to $250 per gram.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
> Behalf Of Apollo via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:31 AM
> To: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
> 
> Good morning,
> I guess that I haven't been following the market as closely as I should
> have...but if any dealers have nice Martian or lunar specimens for sale at
> prices anywhere near what the recent posts have mentioned, I would
> appreciate hearing from you.
> Thanks,
> Dennis 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 30, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced
> accordingly, and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it
> can be simply supply and demand.  Personally though, I think "supply and
> demand" is too simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I
> wonder how much of this shift in price might be due to the recent strength
> of the dollar?
>> 
>> In case someone is not following:
>> An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword
> market.  The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.
> Which is different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker,
> and the value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were
> selling for 100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth
> 120,000 yen in Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other
> words, the value of a sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency
> became stronger.  However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a
> better sword out of Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have
> paid for a lesser sword last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today
> (120,000 yen) buys you a more valuable sword than it did last year simply
> because the dollar got stronger.
>> 
>> Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from
> Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.
> It is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen
> sword for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why
> would someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in
> America, when they can get a "better" sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from
> Japan for the same 1000 dollars?
>> 
>> This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc.
> etc.  If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g
> Lunar mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the
> dollar is stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars
> from a merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to
> sell bits and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the
> newer cheaper specimens are selling for.
>> 
>> Can I say for sur
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list]

Hello Listers,

I agree, its supply and demand. Heck, I got a Martian for $125 per gram.
As for planataries, this is my theory... All you really need is a couple
meteorites from each body and then you move on. True, there is
scientific value to be had, but that's the case with every meteorite.
The question is, is if it hold's historic merit and science is historic
merit as well if its important.

For me, I would like to get a Nakhla again, I traded mine, but till
then, ill hold onto my NWA martian. As for lunar meteorites are
concerned, if it looks like a lunar and acts like a lunar point me in
the direction to the best look example for the cheapest price :)

Now here's the ticker Lets say someone finds a lunar meteorite in
USA would it be more then NWA lunar? In my book no, it would be the
same. Even if it was some new classification I think it would be the
same.? Cause at the end of the day, its still from the moon. How many
more meteorites can one collect from the moon? 

Now if its the first lunar meteorite fall that can cause an up roar and
if it hit something or killed a horse or cow, or hits some lady in the
hip, I think it would be a pretty penny. But again, its still from the
moon and each year more and more meteorites keep coming from the moon.
Just think, in 20 years from now, there will be 200 more lunar
meteorites on the market Just say. But I would say this, the first
lunar fall will be historic and when that happens you better buy up all
the lunar meteorites you can, cause the price of a lunar meteorite will
go back up to $1000 plus per gram and more. 

Now back to martian meteorites... They can hold merit, black beauty can
sell for a lot, but has dropped in price, while Nakhla has stayed its
ground. When science discovers life on Mars, martian meteorites will go
up in value over night and lot of people will make some coins if they
cash out what they have, only time will tell with martian meteorites.

I guess at the end of the day, we need some big planetary event to make
these peanuts into pecans :) and when that happens meteorite collecting
will go full throttle in collecting and price.

Shawn Alan
IMCA 1633 
ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
Website http://meteoritefalls.com 

>  Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
> From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" 
> Date: Fri, May 29, 2015 5:13 pm
> To: Shawn Alan 
> Cc: Meteorite Central 
> 
> 
> Hi Shawn,
> 
> I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
> time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
> deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
> a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
> approved in the Met Bulletin.
> 
> New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
> supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
> or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
> from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
> offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.
> 
> In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
> relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
> middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.
> 
> In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
> supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
> new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
> to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
> are a dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
> market.
> 
> I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
> who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
> majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
> yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
> depress the asking prices even further.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
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> 
> On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
> > Hello Listers
> >
> > I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
> > especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
> > some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
> > less then $400 a gram. But

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Carl Agee via Meteorite-list]

Sorry here is correct list, somehow the first three entries for lunars
got duplicated in the martians.

Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 13
2014: 25

Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

2010: 2
2011: 8
2012: 8
2013: 10
2014: 12
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Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

Tel: (505) 750-7172
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Email: a...@unm.edu
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On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 10:10 AM, Carl Agee  wrote:
> Supply and demand could be part of the story for lunars, maybe not for
> martians. Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:
>
> 2010: 11
> 2011: 6
> 2012: 4
> 2013: 13
> 2014: 25
>
> Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:
>
> 2010: 11
> 2011: 6
> 2012: 4
> 2013: 10
> 2014: 12
>
> Of course hidden in these numbers are TKW, quality, pairing, and type.
> Obviously rarities like mare basalts, nakhlites, and chassignites
> shouldn't be seeing price drops or decrease in demand. Not to mention
> unique martians like NWA 7034 (Black Beauty) and NWA 8159. Maybe the
> drop in price/demand is most pronounced in types that are most common
> such as the lunar feldspathic breccias.
>
> Just my opinion, but I don't think lunars will ever become as cheap as
> eucrites, I think they are still quite rare on Earth and will be a
> good long term investment. Maybe we are just seeing an anomaly in the
> lunar offerings because a few recent big TKW  finds of lunars. Who
> knows!
>
> Carl Agee
>
> *
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> Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
> Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
> MSC03 2050
> University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque NM 87131-1126
>
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> Fax: (505) 277-3577
> Email: a...@unm.edu
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>
>
> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
>  wrote:
>> Hello Listers
>>
>> I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
>> especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
>> some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
>> less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
>> still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.
>>
>> My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
>> shifted in value?
>>
>> Shawn Alan
>> IMCA 1633
>> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
>> Website http://meteoritefalls.com
>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Carl Agee via Meteorite-list]

Supply and demand could be part of the story for lunars, maybe not for
martians. Here are the numbers for just new NWA lunars since 2010:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 13
2014: 25

Here is the same time frame for NWA Martians:

2010: 11
2011: 6
2012: 4
2013: 10
2014: 12

Of course hidden in these numbers are TKW, quality, pairing, and type.
Obviously rarities like mare basalts, nakhlites, and chassignites
shouldn't be seeing price drops or decrease in demand. Not to mention
unique martians like NWA 7034 (Black Beauty) and NWA 8159. Maybe the
drop in price/demand is most pronounced in types that are most common
such as the lunar feldspathic breccias.

Just my opinion, but I don't think lunars will ever become as cheap as
eucrites, I think they are still quite rare on Earth and will be a
good long term investment. Maybe we are just seeing an anomaly in the
lunar offerings because a few recent big TKW  finds of lunars. Who
knows!

Carl Agee

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Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics
Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences
MSC03 2050
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque NM 87131-1126

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Fax: (505) 277-3577
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On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Hello Listers
>
> I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
> especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
> some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
> less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
> still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.
>
> My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
> shifted in value?
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
> Website http://meteoritefalls.com
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Peter Scherff via Meteorite-list]

Hi Dennis,

>From what I hear if you have $50,000 to spend you can buy cheap lunar
meteorites. The retail prices that I have seen are $300 to $250 per gram.

Thanks,

Peter 

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Behalf Of Apollo via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:31 AM
To: Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

Good morning,
I guess that I haven't been following the market as closely as I should
have...but if any dealers have nice Martian or lunar specimens for sale at
prices anywhere near what the recent posts have mentioned, I would
appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks,
Dennis 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> 
> 
> It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced
accordingly, and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it
can be simply supply and demand.  Personally though, I think "supply and
demand" is too simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I
wonder how much of this shift in price might be due to the recent strength
of the dollar?
>  
> In case someone is not following:
> An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword
market.  The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.
Which is different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker,
and the value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were
selling for 100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth
120,000 yen in Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other
words, the value of a sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency
became stronger.  However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a
better sword out of Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have
paid for a lesser sword last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today
(120,000 yen) buys you a more valuable sword than it did last year simply
because the dollar got stronger.
>  
> Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from
Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.
It is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen
sword for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why
would someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in
America, when they can get a "better" sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from
Japan for the same 1000 dollars?
>  
> This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc.
etc.  If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g
Lunar mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the
dollar is stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars
from a merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to
sell bits and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the
newer cheaper specimens are selling for.
>  
> Can I say for sur
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Apollo via Meteorite-list]

Good morning,
I guess that I haven't been following the market as closely as I should 
have...but if any dealers have nice Martian or lunar specimens for sale at 
prices anywhere near what the recent posts have mentioned, I would appreciate 
hearing from you.
Thanks,
Dennis 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 30, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced 
> accordingly, and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it 
> can be simply supply and demand.  Personally though, I think "supply and 
> demand" is too simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I 
> wonder how much of this shift in price might be due to the recent strength of 
> the dollar?
>  
> In case someone is not following:
> An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword market. 
>  The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.  Which is 
> different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker, and the 
> value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were selling for 
> 100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth 120,000 yen in 
> Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other words, the value of 
> a sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency became stronger.  
> However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a better sword out 
> of Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have paid for a lesser 
> sword last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today (120,000 yen) buys you a 
> more valuable sword than it did last year simply because the dollar got 
> stronger.
>  
> Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from 
> Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.  
> It is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen 
> sword for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why 
> would someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in 
> America, when they can get a "better" sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from 
> Japan for the same 1000 dollars?
>  
> This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc. 
> etc.  If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g 
> Lunar mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the 
> dollar is stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars 
> from a merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to 
> sell bits and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the 
> newer cheaper specimens are selling for.
>  
> Can I say for sur
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

It is true that rare things will always be rare and will be priced accordingly, 
and for that reason you may be entirely right Michael that it can be simply 
supply and demand.  Personally though, I think "supply and demand" is too 
simple a concept for collectible items.  What I mean is, I wonder how much of 
this shift in price might be due to the recent strength of the dollar?
 
In case someone is not following:
An example of this is what is happening in the antique Japanese sword market.  
The value of the yen relative to the dollar is 120 to 1 currently.  Which is 
different than it was about a year ago when the dollar was weaker, and the 
value was perhaps 100 to 1.  Japanese swords in Japan that were selling for 
100,000 yen last year (1000 dollars) are not currently worth 120,000 yen in 
Japan.  They are still only worth 100,000 yen.  In other words, the value of a 
sword does not go up simply because a foreign currency became stronger.  
However, because the dollar is stronger now, you can get a better sword out of 
Japan for the same price in dollars as you would have paid for a lesser sword 
last year.  In other words, 1000 dollars today (120,000 yen) buys you a more 
valuable sword than it did last year simply because the dollar got stronger.
 
Now consider a sword that an American sword merchant/collector bought from 
Japan last year for 1000 dollars (100,000 yen) and is now here in America.  It 
is still worth 1000 dollars here, but now that you can buy a 120,000 yen sword 
for 1000 dollars, (and those swords are plenty available in Japan) why would 
someone buy a sword valued at 100,000 yen for 1000 dollars here in America, 
when they can get a "better" sword (valued at 120,000 yen) from Japan for the 
same 1000 dollars?
 
This same type of scenario can be true in for rare books, meteorites etc. etc.  
If, for example, Mike Meteorite Merchant bought a 10,000 dollar 1000g Lunar 
mass from Morocco last year when the dollar was weaker, now that the dollar is 
stronger the same 1000g Lunar mass might only cost 8,000 dollars from a 
merchant in Morocco.  That devalues Mike's meteorite.  If he wants to sell bits 
and pieces of it, he has to sell it for similar value as what the newer cheaper 
specimens are selling for.
 
Can I say for sure that the stronger dollar we currently have accounts for the 
lower sales price of planetary specimens?  No.  But it can happen.  It is 
happening now in the Japanese sword market.  Most assuredly...
 
Cheers,
John
IMCA 3295
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 at 5:13 PM
From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list" 

To: "Shawn Alan" 
Cc: "Meteorite Central" 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts
Hi Shawn,

I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work. As
time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
deserts, especially the NWA DCA. In recent months, we have seen over
a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
approved in the Met Bulletin.

New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
or increased. Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.

In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
relatively-small group of veteran dealers. Now, there are many
middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.

In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
to previous offerings. For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
are a dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
market.

I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
yet. If that material is ever released into the market, it would
depress the asking prices even further.

Best regards,

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On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Hello Listers
>
> I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
> especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
> some times on ebay you 

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorites selling for peanuts

[Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list]

Hi Shawn,

I think most of what we are seeing is supply and demand at work.  As
time goes on, more and more planetaries are coming out of the hot
deserts, especially the NWA DCA.  In recent months, we have seen over
a dozen new planetaries (including several lunars) that have been
approved in the Met Bulletin.

New collectors are coming in to the hobby on a regular basis, but the
supply of planetaries available to these collectors has stayed steady
or increased.  Old offerings are absorbed into collections and vanish
from the open market, but they are replaced with numerous new
offerings that are being sold by an ever-increasing number of dealers.

In the past, the majority of planetaries were held by a
relatively-small group of veteran dealers.  Now, there are many
middle/moderate-size dealers who are offering lunars and Martians.

In order to be competitive, dealers need to better control the
supply/market (not likely) or lower prices to attract buyers to these
new planetaries - many of which are not that remarkable in comparison
to previous offerings.   For every new Nakhlite or Black Beauty, there
are a dozen "new" (sometimes unpaired) shergottites hitting the
market.

I won't mention names, but there are a couple of big collector/dealers
who are buying up multiple planetary masses in recent years and the
majority of that material does not appear to have hit the open market
yet.  If that material is ever released into the market, it would
depress the asking prices even further.

Best regards,

MikeG
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On 5/29/15, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Hello Listers
>
> I am starting to see a trend with Lunar and Martian meteorites, but
> especial with Lunar's. Some can be had for $300 per gram or less, or
> some times on ebay you can get a steal on some of the 1g plus sizes for
> less then $400 a gram. But again at the sub gram leave the price is
> still in the high $500 to $800 per gram which is expected at that size.
>
> My question is, is there new product on the market or has planataries
> shifted in value?
>
> Shawn Alan
> IMCA 1633
> ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html
> Website http://meteoritefalls.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Impact

[Sterling K. Webb via Meteorite-list]

John, List,

Here are photos showing the landers 
and even footprint traces on the Moon:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1218958/Probe-photos-Apollo-l
anding-sites-reveal-man-DID-walk-Moon.html

24 photos here:
http://www.space.com/12796-photos-apollo-moon-landing-sites-lro.html
Lots of walking tracks and even a 
phone line are seen!

Suveyor 3 was visited by the crew of 
Apollo 12:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveyor_program
No holes are in evidence. Meteorite 
impacts are not more frequent on the 
Moon than they are on the Earth.

Here's a video:
http://www.space.com/10040-ep-3-survey-trip-surveyor-3.html

No ground-based telescope can see any 
of the landers, not even the Hubble can.
The smallest possible thing Hubble can 
see on the moon is about 328 feet across 
or the length of a football field. While 
an impressive feat of resolution, no Apollo 
spacecraft comes anywhere near that size. 
Every piece of man-made hardware is below 
the space telescope's resolution limit.

No, no hardware is a meteorite. They are 
all constructed by the Amazing Flying 
Monkeys of Planet Three!

Sterling Webb
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-Original Message-
From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On
Behalf Of John Lutzon via Meteorite-list
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 10:25 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Impact

Hello Everyone,

As some of you may know, i've recently suffered from some minor dain bramage
and major physical damage--but I still remain to ask my often unimportant
questions...
However, in this case, I pose some questions that were asked to me to which
I had no answers. Thus, I figured to ask the knowledgable one's--You folks

1. Is there any evidence/photo's of meteorite impacts to the lunar 
   landing crafts that were left on the surface after our brief visits ?
   Also, are ground based telescopes capable of seeing these
   crafts ?

2. Can our lunar landing craft's be considered "meteorites" 
(in the sense of the definition) ?

Many thanks, John
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse recap

[Linton Rohr]

We watched up until mid-totality here in southern Utah, taking an 
occasional peek through my TV Ranger. I always enjoy seeing stars close to 
the moon, and got a preview of what was there by blocking out the 
still-bright moon with an overhanging roof beam. But I *really* enjoyed the 
close proximity of Mars, it's brilliant red tint complementing the coppery 
colors on Luna's blushed face. Beautiful! Watching the sky darken and fill 
up with infinite stars  is always fun, too. ;^)

Linton

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From: 
To: "Matson, Rob D." ; "Meteorite list" 


Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse recap



Hi Rob,

Yes, I was marveling at the sudden "appearance" of those close proximity
stars. Here west of Vegas it was a nice night and the skies were clear
with a great view. Definitely was worth burning the midnight oil for...!


Best regards,
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com



 Original Message 
Subject: Lunar eclipse recap
From: "Matson, Rob D." 
Date: Tue, April 15, 2014 10:54 am
To: "i...@moonmarsrocks.com" , Meteorite list


Hi Daniel,

The show was great from southern California. Even more impressive to me
than the proximity of Mars was how close Spica was to the Moon -- less
than 2 degrees to the right. So close, in fact, that it was hard to
see Spica until the eclipse was well underway. Once the eclipse was
total, I could also see the dim, 5.2-magnitude star HIP 66098 (76
Virginis)
only 0.5 degrees from the upper limb of the Moon.

--Rob

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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:06 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New ebay listings with fake Moon/ Mars
displays

Hello All,

For those lucky enough to be able to see it, that Lunar eclipse last
night was fantastic, plus the added bonus of a very bright Mars nearby
made even more visible by the darkened sky...WOW!


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse recap

[info]

Hi Rob,

Yes, I was marveling at the sudden "appearance" of those close proximity
stars. Here west of Vegas it was a nice night and the skies were clear
with a great view. Definitely was worth burning the midnight oil for...!


Best regards, 
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
i...@moonmarsrocks.com
www.moonmarsrocks.com

 
 
 Original Message 
Subject: Lunar eclipse recap
From: "Matson, Rob D." 
Date: Tue, April 15, 2014 10:54 am
To: "i...@moonmarsrocks.com" , Meteorite list


Hi Daniel,

The show was great from southern California. Even more impressive to me
than the proximity of Mars was how close Spica was to the Moon -- less
than 2 degrees to the right. So close, in fact, that it was hard to
see Spica until the eclipse was well underway. Once the eclipse was
total, I could also see the dim, 5.2-magnitude star HIP 66098 (76
Virginis)
only 0.5 degrees from the upper limb of the Moon.

--Rob

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Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2014 10:06 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New ebay listings with fake Moon/ Mars
displays

Hello All,

For those lucky enough to be able to see it, that Lunar eclipse last
night was fantastic, plus the added bonus of a very bright Mars nearby
made even more visible by the darkened sky...WOW!

I have an alert on a couple new ebay listings. Some "steelhorse1994"
fake displays from 2011-2012 are being resold by someone. Unfortunately,
he sold well over a 1000 of these and they will keep cropping up. It's
too bad ebay did not have the spine to retroactively alert everyone he
sold to. I dropped the seller a note but heard nothing back and the
listings are still active at the time of this writing. So, I also
reported it to ebay. Here are the links to the listings: 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOON-ROCK-Lunar-Meteorite-NWA-4881-/261452325481?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdfc5e269

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MARS-ROCK-A-Pieace-of-The-Mars-Meteorite-NWA-4925-/261452342487?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cdfc624d7

Best regards,
Daniel

Daniel Noyes
Genuine Moon & Mars Meteorite Rocks
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?

[drtanuki]

List,
  For those that are interested in transit times and lunar impacts that result 
in Lunar Meteorites here on Earth, Dr. Randy Korotev has written a very good 
summary on this topic and his website answers the basic questions posed-
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/

Some of the questions answered are-
How Did Lunar Meteorites Get Here?
Do All Lunar Meteorites Come from One Big Impact on the Moon?
Does It Take a Big Impact to Launch
a Lunar Meteoroid?
and many more.  Take a read of his website written for the Washington 
University in St. Louis. Thank you Dr. Korotev!

Dirk Ross...Tokyo 

P.S. The reason I posed the question in the first place was because of the 
recent announcement about a large lunar impact recorded on the Moon-
http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2014/02/biggest-observed-meteorite-impact-hits.html

It would be so cool if something was launched from this impact and it makes it 
here to the Earth in the coming years!


- Forwarded Message -
From: drtanuki 
To: Ted Bunch ; meteorite-list 

Cc: 
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 3:47 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with
velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?

Dear Dr. Bunch,  Thank you for refining the question and clarification. Sorry I 
overlooked your address on the "to address list".  Have a safe trip.  Dirk 
Ross...Tokyo

From: Ted Bunch 
To: drtanuki  
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with 
velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?


I have to go on a trip in a few minutes, but an additional consideration 
to  mass, ejection V & angle, etc. is the consideration of orbital 
mechanics of an ejected mass as to whether it is reaches a stable orbit, 
one that ultimately decays into earth or one that may escape the 
gravitational effects of the Earth-moon system.

Look up Lagrangian points,

Ted


On 3/2/14 3:50 AM, drtanuki wrote:
> Dear List,
>    A big thank you in advance! This should cover most of the experts in the 
>field...
> Since there are many on this list with advanced degrees and also novices I 
> pose this question.- How large of diameter, an impact object, with what 
> velocity would it take to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth and what is the 
> fastest or average transit time? Thanks to those that are entertained!  
> Invited are some of the world"s top experts for an answer or re-framing of 
> the question. Indulge. Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?

[drtanuki]

Dear Dr. Bunch,  Thank you for refining the question and clarification. Sorry I 
overlooked your address on the "to address list".  Have a safe trip.  Dirk 
Ross...Tokyo

From: Ted Bunch 
To: drtanuki  
Sent: Monday, March 3, 2014 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Meteorite Quiz - How big an object with 
velocity to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth?


I have to go on a trip in a few minutes, but an additional consideration 
to  mass, ejection V & angle, etc. is the consideration of orbital 
mechanics of an ejected mass as to whether it is reaches a stable orbit, 
one that ultimately decays into earth or one that may escape the 
gravitational effects of the Earth-moon system.

Look up Lagrangian points,

Ted


On 3/2/14 3:50 AM, drtanuki wrote:
> Dear List,
>    A big thank you in advance! This should cover most of the experts in the 
>field...
> Since there are many on this list with advanced degrees and also novices I 
> pose this question.- How large of diameter, an impact object, with what 
> velocity would it take to get a new Lunar Meteorite to Earth and what is the 
> fastest or average transit time? Thanks to those that are entertained!  
> Invited are some of the world"s top experts for an answer or re-framing of 
> the question. Indulge. Dirk Ross...Tokyo
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Adam Hupe]

Actually, that is Dr. Brownlee, the lead scientist for the NASA Stardust 
mission holding the real NWA 5000 main mass over his head the same day it 
arrived in the U.S.  This image 
lends scale to this massive Moon rock!

Adam



- Original Message -
From: Raymond Borges 
To: Greg Hupé 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

Wow, that's just great!
Don't think I would have held the real meteorite over my head like
that though, maybe the cast.


Raymond Borges
MSCS/BSCpE
SREB Fellow
CS Ph.D. Student
Lane Department of CS/EE
West Virginia University



On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Greg Hupé  wrote:
> Hello Raymond,
>
> Here is a link to the photo gallery on the NWA 5000 web site, you will see
> the only replica of it made.
> http://www.themeteoritesite.com/gallery.html
>
> Best Regards,
> Greg
>
> 
> Greg Hupé
> The Hupé Collection
> gmh...@centurylink.net
> www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site)
> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
> NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest & eBay)
> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
> http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault
> IMCA 3163
> 
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Raymond Borges
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:25 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
> I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
> And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
> that spectacular green fusion crust?
>
> Raymond Borges
> spacerocks.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Raymond Borges]

Wow, that's just great!
Don't think I would have held the real meteorite over my head like
that though, maybe the cast.


Raymond Borges
MSCS/BSCpE
SREB Fellow
CS Ph.D. Student
Lane Department of CS/EE
West Virginia University


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Greg Hupé  wrote:
> Hello Raymond,
>
> Here is a link to the photo gallery on the NWA 5000 web site, you will see
> the only replica of it made.
> http://www.themeteoritesite.com/gallery.html
>
> Best Regards,
> Greg
>
> 
> Greg Hupé
> The Hupé Collection
> gmh...@centurylink.net
> www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog & Reference Site)
> www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site)
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> http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault
> http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault
> IMCA 3163
> 
> Click here for my current eBay auctions:
> http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Raymond Borges
> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:25 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
> I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
> And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
> that spectacular green fusion crust?
>
> Raymond Borges
> spacerocks.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Greg Hupé]

Hello Raymond,

Here is a link to the photo gallery on the NWA 5000 web site, you will see 
the only replica of it made.

http://www.themeteoritesite.com/gallery.html

Best Regards,
Greg


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-Original Message- 
From: Raymond Borges

Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:25 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

Hello!

Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
that spectacular green fusion crust?

Raymond Borges
spacerocks.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?

[Thomas Kurtz]

Hi Raymond, list,

there are casts for the Lunar meteorite SaU 300. I still have a form of this 
individual, so some more casts could be made.

Thomas Kurtz, 
Weil der Stadt, Germany


> Gesendet: Montag, 11. November 2013 um 21:25 Uhr
> Von: "Raymond Borges" 
> An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite casts?
>
> Hello!
> 
> Anyone know of any Lunar meteorite casts in existence?
> I know of only 2 Mars meteorite casts, NWA 1195 and DaG 735.
> And also, wouldn't it be nice if there was a nice NWA 7325 cast, with
> that spectacular green fusion crust?
> 
> Raymond Borges
> spacerocks.org
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Sees GRAIL's Explosive Farewell

[Jodie Reynolds]

Hello Ron,

I hereby dub the heretofore unnamed feature where GRAIL A rests as:

Mount Ebbrest

and where GRAIL B rests as:

Massif Flower


Make it so.

--- Jodie

Tuesday, March 19, 2013, 11:41:35 AM, you wrote:


> http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-103  

[CLIP!]

> "Both impact sites lie on the southern slope of an unnamed massif
> [mountain] that lies south of the crater Mouchez and northeast of the
> crater Philolaus," said Robinson. "The massif stands as much as 2,500
> meters [about 8,202 feet] above the surrounding plains. The impact sites
> are at an elevation of about 700 meters [around 2,296 feet] and 1,000
> meters [3,281 feet], respectively, about 500 to 800 meters
> [approximately 1,640 to 2,625 feet] below the summit. The two impact
> craters are about 2,200 meters [roughly 7,218 feet] apart. GRAIL B
> [renamed Flow] impacted about 30 seconds after GRAIL A [Ebb] at a site
> to the west and north of GRAIL A."

[CLIP!]

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[Graham Ensor]

Hi Jim,

Very good of the moon and Earth to position themselves perfectly for
such a magnificent shot down past the OK Corral.

Was strolling down there just over a year ago.

Cheers,

Graham

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 6:44 AM, John.L.Cabassi  wrote:
> Apologies once again Jim and all.
> The link seems to be completely broken. Here are the individual images
>
> Cheers
> John
>
> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse2.jpg
> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse1.jpg
> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse3.jpg
> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse4.jpg
> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse5.jpg
>
>
> G'Day List
> Just helping out a friend.
>
> --
> Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
> Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
> list for me I'd appreciate it very much.
>
> best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204
>
> Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona
>
> 
>
>
> Cheers
> John Cabassi
> IMCA # 2125
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[John.L.Cabassi]

Apologies once again Jim and all.
The link seems to be completely broken. Here are the individual images

Cheers
John

http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse2.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse1.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse3.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse4.jpg
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/eclipse5.jpg


G'Day List
Just helping out a friend.  

--
Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
list for me I'd appreciate it very much.   
 
best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona




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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[John.L.Cabassi]

Sorry for the double post. Trying to correct the broken link

http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/JimS/?action=view&cu
rrent=7d77ed15.pbw

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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:58 PM
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Cc: theemerald...@aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204


G'Day List
Just helping out a friend.  

--
Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
list for me I'd appreciate it very much.   
 
best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona


http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/Jim%20Shorten/?actio
n=view¤t=7d77ed15.pbw



---


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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204

[John.L.Cabassi]

Sorry for the double post. Trying to correct the broken link

http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/Jim%20Shorten/?actio
n=view¤t=7d77ed15.pbw

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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of
John.L.Cabassi
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 9:58 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: theemerald...@aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse Jim Shorten IMCA #6204


G'Day List
Just helping out a friend.  

--
Hi John,  I'm having a hard time getting this photo I took of the lunar
Eclipse on the Met List.  I'd love to share.  If you could get it on the
list for me I'd appreciate it very much.   
 
best wishes,  Jim Shorten  IMCA #6204

Looking West down Allen Street, Tombstone, Arizona


http://s255.photobucket.com/albums/hh149/Johnno_ACH/Jim%20Shorten/?actio
n=view¤t=7d77ed15.pbw



---


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John Cabassi
IMCA # 2125

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone

[dorifry]

 From the Urban Dictionary:



 1. sharter
One who sharts (soils one's pants while simply intending to fart).


 2. sharter
to shart oneself. to try to fart and accidentally shit oneself. the 
person committing the act of sharting.



Related: shartastical, shartariffic, shartpro

Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul Gessler" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 4:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Shatter Cone


If you look at the description he calls it a “SHA(R)TTER CONE” which is 
actually closer to what it really is.

Turns out there is some truth in advertising.

Paul G
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar and Apollo Meteorites

[Becky and Kirk]

Great stuff---thanks Al

Kirk.:-)
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:11 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar and Apollo Meteorites


The Apollo program which brought back some 840 lbs of material or about 7 
times the amount of found lunar meteorites.


The average weight of a lunar meteorite is 382.895 grams. However if you 
subtract the two largest lunar meteorites which weigh about half the total 
of all found lunar meteorites there is an average weight of 210.82 grams. 
One could actually subtract a few more large specimens and the average 
weight would be down in the 150 average gram range.


So your average lunar meteorite will or should weight from 150 to 400 
grams average. You still have to keep an eye out for the big guys though. 
Before 1997 only about 10 or 12 lunar meteorites were known. From 1997 
after DAG 262 was found, till 2010 a total of 54 specimens were located 
which is an average of four per year. Most of these were located in 
basically one continent.


Of the lunar types there are: feldspathic breccia types (most common 37), 
mafic breccia types (3), mingled breccias (16), and the mare bassalts 
(10). Or about 66 unique specimens not paired.


Keep in mind my figures could be off or now outdated. I added all these up 
in about an hours time. A good reference on lunar meteorites continues to 
be: Washington University in St. Louis.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alpha.htm

All my best!

--AL Mitterling

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar or nice earthrock

[bill kies]

It looks like the Mendota wrong.


> Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:50:37 -0700
> From: mfcollec...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar or nice earthrock
> 
> Hi list,
> can anyone help please and see if he can recognize what this might be ?
> http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/SaidHaddany/?action=view¤t=sample.jpg
> thank you for your help
> 
> Said Haddany
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar or nice earthrock

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Said,

I don't know what it is, but I a customer of mine sent me a small
walnut-sized stone to cut for him.  The person who sold it to him said
it was an unclassified "possible CV3".  When I cut it open, it looked
exactly like the specimen in your photo.  I don't know what it was,
but it was not a CV3.  It had a hard, glassy texture to it.  He was
supposed to get it analyzed, but I never heard what the results were.

Best regards,

MikeG
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> can anyone help please and see if he can recognize what this might be ?
> http://s947.photobucket.com/albums/ad313/SaidHaddany/?action=view¤t=sample.jpg
> thank you for your help
>
>   Said Haddany
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar & Mars boxes - emergency sale AD

[Marcin Cimala]

Boxes SOLD
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[e-mail ensoramanda]

Hi Rob,

Thanks for sharing thatgreat detailed shot. Couldn't help thinking
that all it needed was a sprig of holly photo-shopping on to the top
and it would make a very good festive plum pudding look-a-like!

Cheers,

Graham

On 21 December 2010 16:53, Rob Holcomb  wrote:
> Here's a photo from the San Francisco Bay Area, a friend setup his equipment
> and then stood out in the balmy (compared to most of you!) weather and took
> a whole series of photos. I like this one with the stars in the background.
>
> http://4-kats.homeip.net/andrewlunar.jpg
>
> Rob Holcomb
> http://www.rholcomb.com
>
> --
> From: "e-mail ensoramanda" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:57 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
>> the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...
>>
>>
>> http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/
>>
>> Seasons greetings,
>>
>> Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[Rob Holcomb]

Here's a photo from the San Francisco Bay Area, a friend setup his equipment 
and then stood out in the balmy (compared to most of you!) weather and took 
a whole series of photos. I like this one with the stars in the background.


http://4-kats.homeip.net/andrewlunar.jpg

Rob Holcomb
http://www.rholcomb.com

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From: "e-mail ensoramanda" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 12:57 AM
To: 
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell


Hi All,

Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/

Seasons greetings,

Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell

[Count Deiro]

Hi Graham,

Lovely shot that...with the landscape reminding one of being an earthling. 
Thank you.. and Happy Christmas to you and yours,

Guido  


-Original Message-
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>Sent: Dec 21, 2010 12:57 AM
>To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar eclipse photos from nr Barwell
>
>Hi All,
>
>Just uploaded 3 shots of the frosty solstice landscape near Barwell in
>the UK with the lunar eclipse just before totality...
>
>http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Lunar%20Eclipse%202010/
>
>Seasons greetings,
>
>Graham
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Rover Found

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:20:36 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Not ours -- theirs.

Nope.  Lord Britishes:

http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/17/2143248/Lord-Britishs-Lost-Lunar-Rover-Found-After-37-Years
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g

[Ken Newton]

Richard and All,
This seller has had over a dozen "martian" and "lunar" auctions since
2007.( All of his meteorites claim "lunar" or "martian origin") His
two years of "0" feedback also inspires confidence - well it is a 100%
rating (kinda)!
Here is one of his first auctions (pdf file) http://tinyurl.com/yzeaakh
Best,
Ken Newton
meteorite-identification.com

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Richard Kowalski  wrote:
> I found this new listing from an ebayer with no feedback for "lunar" material 
> found this past September
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
>
>
> --
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> http://fullmoonphotography.net
> IMCA #1081
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g

[Greg Hupe]

Hi Dean and List,

I see no place on this rock where a sample was taken for analysis. Sounds 
like another "unclassified Stone" and wishful thinking by the seller. Buyer 
Beware!


Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
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NaturesVault (eBay)
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- Original Message - 
From: "dean bessey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g


I am not going to make any comment on wither it is genuine or not but for 
purposes of this email I will assume that it is genuine. Assuming its 
genuine $50 for shipping (Fed Ex?) dont sound excessive. I couldent ship 
anything from here fed ex for $50 for example.
Note also that seller doesnt appear to be very ebay savvy and probably 
could use a tutorial on using ebay.
He has the whole 256 gram meteorite started at $200 but from his 
description it is obvious that he wants $200 a gram (Actually a starting 
price of over $50,000) but he has actually started the auction at $200 for 
the whole thing (Ebay rules wont let you list it the way he wants to).
Somebody (Aziz in morocco maybe) might want to help the poor guy out and 
explain to him how to list things the way that he wants to on ebay.

Cheers
DEAN
PS:
Of course A little more detailed description explaining why he thinks that 
it is actually a Lunar might be a little helpful to but I wont get into 
that


--- On Wed, 30/12/09, Abdelaziz Alhyane  
wrote:



From: Abdelaziz Alhyane 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
To: "meteorite list" , "Richard 
Kowalski" , "David Pensenstadler" 


Received: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 3:48 PM
Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf,
high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler 
wrote:

> From: David Pensenstadler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> To: "meteorite list" ,
"Richard Kowalski" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
> Did you also notice that he wants $50
> to ship it!?
>
> --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski 
> wrote:
>
> > From: Richard Kowalski 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> > To: "meteorite list" 
> > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > I found this new listing from an
> > ebayer with no feedback for "lunar" material
found
> this past
> > September
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g

[dean bessey]

I am not going to make any comment on wither it is genuine or not but for 
purposes of this email I will assume that it is genuine. Assuming its genuine 
$50 for shipping (Fed Ex?) dont sound excessive. I couldent ship anything from 
here fed ex for $50 for example.
Note also that seller doesnt appear to be very ebay savvy and probably could 
use a tutorial on using ebay.
He has the whole 256 gram meteorite started at $200 but from his description it 
is obvious that he wants $200 a gram (Actually a starting price of over 
$50,000) but he has actually started the auction at $200 for the whole thing 
(Ebay rules wont let you list it the way he wants to).
Somebody (Aziz in morocco maybe) might want to help the poor guy out and 
explain to him how to list things the way that he wants to on ebay.
Cheers
DEAN
PS:
Of course A little more detailed description explaining why he thinks that it 
is actually a Lunar might be a little helpful to but I wont get into that

--- On Wed, 30/12/09, Abdelaziz Alhyane  wrote:

> From: Abdelaziz Alhyane 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> To: "meteorite list" , "Richard 
> Kowalski" , "David Pensenstadler" 
> Received: Wednesday, 30 December, 2009, 3:48 PM
> Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf,
> high desert with no internet.
> Cheers
> Aziz
> 
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> > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> > To: "meteorite list" ,
> "Richard Kowalski" 
> > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
> > Did you also notice that he wants $50
> > to ship it!?
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski 
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> > > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> > > To: "meteorite list" 
> > > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > > I found this new listing from an
> > > ebayer with no feedback for "lunar" material
> found
> > this past
> > > September
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g

[Abdelaziz Alhyane]

Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf, high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler  wrote:

> From: David Pensenstadler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> To: "meteorite list" , "Richard 
> Kowalski" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
> Did you also notice that he wants $50
> to ship it!?
> 
> --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Richard Kowalski 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> > To: "meteorite list" 
> > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > I found this new listing from an
> > ebayer with no feedback for "lunar" material found
> this past
> > September
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
> > 
> > 
> > --
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g

[Abdelaziz Alhyane]

Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf, high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler  wrote:

> From: David Pensenstadler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> To: "meteorite list" , "Richard 
> Kowalski" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
> Did you also notice that he wants $50
> to ship it!?
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> --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski 
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> > From: Richard Kowalski 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> > To: "meteorite list" 
> > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > I found this new listing from an
> > ebayer with no feedback for "lunar" material found
> this past
> > September
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Richard Kowalski
> > http://fullmoonphotography.net
> > IMCA #1081
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g

[Abdelaziz Alhyane]

Didn't you notice he is from Tindouf, high desert with no internet.
Cheers
Aziz

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, David Pensenstadler  wrote:

> From: David Pensenstadler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> To: "meteorite list" , "Richard 
> Kowalski" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 3:28 PM
> Did you also notice that he wants $50
> to ship it!?
> 
> --- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Richard Kowalski 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> > To: "meteorite list" 
> > Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
> > I found this new listing from an
> > ebayer with no feedback for "lunar" material found
> this past
> > September
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Richard Kowalski
> > http://fullmoonphotography.net
> > IMCA #1081
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Re: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g

[David Pensenstadler]

Did you also notice that he wants $50 to ship it!?

--- On Wed, 12/30/09, Richard Kowalski  wrote:

> From: Richard Kowalski 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] "Lunar" for $200/g
> To: "meteorite list" 
> Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2009, 2:45 PM
> I found this new listing from an
> ebayer with no feedback for "lunar" material found this past
> September
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yge5uv9
> 
> 
> --
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 08 Sep 2009 15:39:31 -0500, you wrote:

>
>sorted.  There's a continuum from small to big.  I think of a lunar 
>regolith of fragmental breccia as being fractal - it doesn't make any 
>difference what scale you're look at.  It always looks the same.

Speaking of fractal details and the moon, I ran across this the other day:

http://www.planetary.org/blog/article/2061/

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Randy Korotev]

Randy, far be it from me to put words in your fingers, but I recall in an
earlier (a year or two ago) post from you on lunar regolith breccias, you
mentioned that in a lunar breccia, the clasts are more or less randomly sized,
while in most terrestrial breccias, the clasts are mostly of similar sizes
because of wind, water, or gravity sorting them.  (Correct me if I'm 
wrong with

this addition to your list.)


Darren:

Yes, I should have mentioned that.  Most terrestrial sedimentary 
rocks are what sedimentologists call "sorted."  All grains in a 
certain size range are deposited at the same distance from the 
shoreline.  But, with no wind and water and little gravity, the 
fragmental material on the surface of an asteroid or the Moon is not 
sorted.  There's a continuum from small to big.  I think of a lunar 
regolith of fragmental breccia as being fractal - it doesn't make any 
difference what scale you're look at.  It always looks the same.


Unfortunately, terrestrial volcaniclastic rocks are also not well sorted.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:10:29 -0500, you wrote:

>With regard to the breccias, here are some things to look for:
>
>Aspect ratios of clasts in lunar breccias are practically never 
>greater than 3 to 1.
>
>There is practically no preferred orientation of clasts in a lunar 
>(or asteroidal) breccia.  Preferred orientation requires gravity (or 
>flow, which might happen in an impact-melt breccia, but is rare).
>
>Clasts are mostly angular, with only a bit of rounding on some.  All 
>rounding is caused by impact abrasion, which isn't nearly as 
>efficient as rocks being tumbled by moving water.
>
>Clasts don't have rims and cores of any kind, except maybe from 
>terrestrial weathering processes.
>
>If a clast is layered, it's not from the Moon.  Layered rocks require 
>gravity and air or water.
>
>Lunar breccias are remarkably uncolorful - just shades of 
>gray.  Nearly all the lunar meteorites from Oman are stained by 
>hematite, however, causing reddish regions.  The NWA stones 
>(interior) are less colorful.
>
>Clast in lunar breccias never have geometric shapes like prisms, 
>rectangles, etc.
>
>Most brecciated lunar meteorites are regolith breccias.  These often 
>have white clasts of anorthosite in a dark matrix of lithified 
>soil.  Impact melt and granulitic breccias are rarer and are 
>remarkably unremarkable (sawn surface).

Randy, far be it from me to put words in your fingers, but I recall in an
earlier (a year or two ago) post from you on lunar regolith breccias, you
mentioned that in a lunar breccia, the clasts are more or less randomly sized,
while in most terrestrial breccias, the clasts are mostly of similar sizes
because of wind, water, or gravity sorting them.  (Correct me if I'm wrong with
this addition to your list.)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Jerry Flaherty]

Thanks Dennis for the question and Randy for a clear summary.
Jerry Flaherty

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To: 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question


Dennis:

I might be able to answer your question, but I need to understand the 
question better.


Do you mean "breccia basalt" as opposed to just "breccia?"  Most lunar 
meteorites are breccias, but only a few of the breccias are basaltic. 
Most basaltic lunar meteorites are not breccias; they're unbrecciated 
basalts.  Did you follow that?


In my opinion, in the absence of a fusion crust it's impossible to 
identify a lunar meteorite "just by looking," and I've seen practically 
all of them.  I have bought or been sent about 4 alleged lunar meteorites 
from experienced collectors and dealers in the past 5 years that turned 
out to be terrestrial rocks, eucrites, or howardites.  I've seen some 
lunar meteorites, most notably the Kalahari stones, that don't look 
anything like a moon rock or a any kind of meteorite.


Some, if not many, terrestrial basalts "look like" martian and lunar 
basaltic meteorites.  So far, none of the lunar or martian basaltic 
meteorites are as vesicular as are many terrestrial basalts, but lack of 
vesicles sure doesn't make it a planetary meteorite.   A chemical or 
mineralogical analysis is neede to distiguish among terrestrial, martian, 
lunar, and asteroidal basalts.


They're are some kinds of terrestrial rocks that strongly resemble lunar 
breccias.  Several people have sent me ignimbrites (alias ash-flow tuffs 
or, more generically, volcaniclastic rocks) that look like lunar breccias. 
There are also types of sedimentary processes on earth that can lead to 
impact-breccia look-alikes.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m118.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m151.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m156.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m159.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m195.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m200.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m216.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m219.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m225.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m235.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m237.htm  see this one, 
especially

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m260.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m279.htm

Some porphyritic basalts resemble lunar breccias to the untrained eye.

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m086.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m129.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m259.htm

With regard to the breccias, here are some things to look for:

Aspect ratios of clasts in lunar breccias are practically never greater 
than 3 to 1.


There is practically no preferred orientation of clasts in a lunar (or 
asteroidal) breccia.  Preferred orientation requires gravity (or flow, 
which might happen in an impact-melt breccia, but is rare).


Clasts are mostly angular, with only a bit of rounding on some.  All 
rounding is caused by impact abrasion, which isn't nearly as efficient as 
rocks being tumbled by moving water.


Clasts don't have rims and cores of any kind, except maybe from 
terrestrial weathering processes.


If a clast is layered, it's not from the Moon.  Layered rocks require 
gravity and air or water.


Lunar breccias are remarkably uncolorful - just shades of gray.  Nearly 
all the lunar meteorites from Oman are stained by hematite, however, 
causing reddish regions.  The NWA stones (interior) are less colorful.


Clast in lunar breccias never have geometric shapes like prisms, 
rectangles, etc.


Most brecciated lunar meteorites are regolith breccias.  These often have 
white clasts of anorthosite in a dark matrix of lithified soil.  Impact 
melt and granulitic breccias are rarer and are remarkably unremarkable 
(sawn surface).


Hope this helps.

Randy Korotev




At 10:38 04-09-09 Friday, you wrote:

Good Morning All...  I have a rather novice question: What is the 
identifying
tag or indicator that differentiates a Lunar breccia basalt from a 
terrestrial

breccia?  I have cut and examined several that I have found, and not
knowing the difference, made coasters out of them...  I know you guys that
run to Morocco to purchase them, from time to time, have a good idea 
without

taking a lab with you
 Thanks!
Dennis Miller

Sorry, nothing to give away, but bare with me.
Oh, I did give one of my non-lunar coasters to Haag.


Randy Korotev
Saint Louis, MO
koro...@wustl.edu

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar question

[Randy Korotev]

Dennis:

I might be able to answer your question, but I need to understand the 
question better.


Do you mean "breccia basalt" as opposed to just "breccia?"  Most 
lunar meteorites are breccias, but only a few of the breccias are 
basaltic.  Most basaltic lunar meteorites are not breccias; they're 
unbrecciated basalts.  Did you follow that?


In my opinion, in the absence of a fusion crust it's impossible to 
identify a lunar meteorite "just by looking," and I've seen 
practically all of them.  I have bought or been sent about 4 alleged 
lunar meteorites from experienced collectors and dealers in the past 
5 years that turned out to be terrestrial rocks, eucrites, or 
howardites.  I've seen some lunar meteorites, most notably the 
Kalahari stones, that don't look anything like a moon rock or a any 
kind of meteorite.


Some, if not many, terrestrial basalts "look like" martian and lunar 
basaltic meteorites.  So far, none of the lunar or martian basaltic 
meteorites are as vesicular as are many terrestrial basalts, but lack 
of vesicles sure doesn't make it a planetary meteorite.   A chemical 
or mineralogical analysis is neede to distiguish among terrestrial, 
martian, lunar, and asteroidal basalts.


They're are some kinds of terrestrial rocks that strongly resemble 
lunar breccias.  Several people have sent me ignimbrites (alias 
ash-flow tuffs or, more generically, volcaniclastic rocks) that look 
like lunar breccias.  There are also types of sedimentary processes 
on earth that can lead to impact-breccia look-alikes.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m118.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m151.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m156.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m159.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m195.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m200.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m216.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m219.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m225.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m235.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m237.htm  see this one, especially
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m260.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m279.htm

Some porphyritic basalts resemble lunar breccias to the untrained eye.

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m086.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m129.htm
http://meteorites.wustl.edu/meteorwrongs/m259.htm

With regard to the breccias, here are some things to look for:

Aspect ratios of clasts in lunar breccias are practically never 
greater than 3 to 1.


There is practically no preferred orientation of clasts in a lunar 
(or asteroidal) breccia.  Preferred orientation requires gravity (or 
flow, which might happen in an impact-melt breccia, but is rare).


Clasts are mostly angular, with only a bit of rounding on some.  All 
rounding is caused by impact abrasion, which isn't nearly as 
efficient as rocks being tumbled by moving water.


Clasts don't have rims and cores of any kind, except maybe from 
terrestrial weathering processes.


If a clast is layered, it's not from the Moon.  Layered rocks require 
gravity and air or water.


Lunar breccias are remarkably uncolorful - just shades of 
gray.  Nearly all the lunar meteorites from Oman are stained by 
hematite, however, causing reddish regions.  The NWA stones 
(interior) are less colorful.


Clast in lunar breccias never have geometric shapes like prisms, 
rectangles, etc.


Most brecciated lunar meteorites are regolith breccias.  These often 
have white clasts of anorthosite in a dark matrix of lithified 
soil.  Impact melt and granulitic breccias are rarer and are 
remarkably unremarkable (sawn surface).


Hope this helps.

Randy Korotev




At 10:38 04-09-09 Friday, you wrote:


Good Morning All...  I have a rather novice question: What is the identifying
tag or indicator that differentiates a Lunar breccia basalt from a terrestrial
breccia?  I have cut and examined several that I have found, and not
knowing the difference, made coasters out of them...  I know you guys that
run to Morocco to purchase them, from time to time, have a good idea without
taking a lab with you
 Thanks!
Dennis Miller

Sorry, nothing to give away, but bare with me.
Oh, I did give one of my non-lunar coasters to Haag.


Randy Korotev
Saint Louis, MO
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - Apollo 14 landing site

[Richard Kowalski]

A quick search though the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal 
(http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/frame.html) only comes up with 'Weird Rock near 
Weird Crater" a few ties. I didn't spend any time looking at the photos, but 
you'll probably find it in those images.


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> From: Darren Garrison 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - Apollo 14 
> landing site
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:34 AM
> On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:41:44 -0500,
> you wrote:
> 
> >Check this out:
> >
> >http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/?archives/91-Trail-of-Discovery-at-Fra-Mauro.html
> >
> >Click on the middle image, preferably on on a big
> screen
> >
> 
> Any links to Apollo surface photos of "Weird Crater" (named
> after famed
> Victorian geologist Josiah Weird)?  All I'm coming up
> with is photos of Weird
> Rock.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter - Apollo 14 landing site

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:41:44 -0500, you wrote:

>Check this out:
>
>http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/?archives/91-Trail-of-Discovery-at-Fra-Mauro.html
>
>Click on the middle image, preferably on on a big screen
>

Any links to Apollo surface photos of "Weird Crater" (named after famed
Victorian geologist Josiah Weird)?  All I'm coming up with is photos of Weird
Rock.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar and Martian cutting dust

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all - 

After my note, I received this request - perhaps one
of you preparers out there may be able to help.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

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> Mr. Grondine,
> 
> My wife teaches science classes and uses my CD
> meteorite but Lunar/Martian dust/chips would be a
> fantastic experience. Can you send me one of each
> for her classes ? Any informational sheets available
> ?
> Thank you,
> Frank. Spitz
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:02 am
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar and Martian cutting
> dust
> 
> Hi all - 
> 
> The lunar and martian dust vials which I purchased
> from the Hupe's a while back were a great hit with
> the  children I gave them to - they really cheered 
> them up for a few moments in a time of sorrow.
> 
> While we can right now buy nice little chips of
> lunars and martians left from cutting for extremely
> reasonable prices, we all know that the supply of
> lunar and martian specimens is likely to lessen once
> NWA is hunted out.
> 
> So I would like to ask that you folks keep these
> little ones in mind as you currently prepare lunar 
> and martian specimens, if you are not doing so 
> already.
> 
> E.P. Grondine
> Man and Impact in the Americas 



  

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Re: [meteorite-list] ??? LUNAR METEORITE OLIVINE GABBRO 190 GRAM PIECENICE!

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi,

This seller is a well-known problem case. He
may be sincere (but deluded), or he may be a
swindler who can act very sincere and deluded.
He is impervious to criticism or attempts to explain
to him how wrong he is. He sees rare "meteorites"
everywhere. He has tons of them, the rarest types,
all found within a few miles of his home. To him,
the Earth is paved with Lunars and Martians, littered
with them, piled up everywhere. He always has many
tests run on his "meteorites" for which he pays, done
by universities, so he has lots of data which, if he
understood it, would demonstrate that his field stones
are not from the Moon. He doesn't seem to be able
to sell his crazy rocks, which is good. He's been doing
this on eBay for years. Since his feedback only goes
back a few months, he's had his record "cleaned"
recently (which makes feedback meaningless, dear
eBay). Avoid him like the plague.


Sterling K. Webb
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- Original Message - 
From: "Norbert & Heike Kammel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:36 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] ??? LUNAR METEORITE OLIVINE GABBRO 190 GRAM 
PIECENICE!


Hello Folks,

can any of you scientific orientated members shed a bit of light onto
all this high-tech description, please?

I am just wondering ,why such an important and valuable find *'over
11,150 lbs !' , $$ MILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth $$ !
***has not officially been analyzed and a prov. name assigned to.

Am I missing something? Is there no press release on this one?
And: Mike where were you? ;-)

Best regards from Down-Under,

Norbert Kammel
IMCA # 3420
www.rocksonfire.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?

[Martin Altmann]

And Norbert Classen's site is very fine:
http://www.meteoris.de/

Click here on the weights in the column "NCC in g"
and a photo of a slice of that respective number will open:
http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html

Martin

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Pete
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. August 2007 07:33
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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?

Hi, Matt,

This is the best Lunar site I've ever come across:

http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm
http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm

It goes on and on, and frequently updated.

Cheers,
Pete


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Subject: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:28:38 -0600

Hi List:
I am looking for a gallery of lunar meteorite slices. Are there any good 
one's out there?  A Google search only turns up a few "ok" ones.
Thanks,
Matt Morgan
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Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?

[Pete Pete]

Hi, Matt,

This is the best Lunar site I've ever come across:

http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm
http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm

It goes on and on, and frequently updated.

Cheers,
Pete


From: Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:28:38 -0600

Hi List:
I am looking for a gallery of lunar meteorite slices. Are there any good 
one's out there?  A Google search only turns up a few "ok" ones.

Thanks,
Matt Morgan
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Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorites from the farside

[Jerry]

Randy, thank you very much for taking the time to provide your detailed 
analysis of the evidence at hand.
You,ve provided me and all who read your email with substantial evidence to 
convince us that your conclusions are based on a myriad of experimental data.

Jerry Flaherty
  - Original Message - 
  From: Randy Korotev 
  To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorites from the farside


  At 20:53 24-07-07 Tuesday, you wrote:


Thank you David. I didn't want to sound so skeptical. Remote sensing 
"suggests" is what I was refering to.
I definitely want to believe that farside rocks are in my possession. Just 
need some returned specimens for confirmation.



  Jerry, and list:

  To the best of my knowledge, about half of the lunar meteorites come from the 
farside and the other half from the nearside.  (And, with a bow to Jim Strope, 
that means that half come from DARK side and the other half from the not-dark 
side.)  I have heard no arguments that strongly challenge the assumption "lunar 
meteorites come from randomly distributed locations on the Moon," except for 
the one below.  That one is irrelevant to us in that any point on the Moon is 
in the "trailing half" half half of the time. [If I misunderstand this, please 
let me know.]

  On the basis of dynamical modeling calculations, Gladman et al. (1995) make 
the following statements [with my comments in square brackets]:

  "The earth should be uniformly covered with lunar meteorites [!], and there 
is no bias for or against Antarctica on dynamical grounds [!!]..."

  "We thus conclude that the discovery location on the Earth imparts no 
information as to where on the Moon a lunar meteorite was launched.  
Nevertheless Fig. 4 demonstrates that objects launched with high velocity (more 
than 2.6 km/sec [lunar escape velocity is 2.4 km/sec]) have an extreme bias 
toward coming from the trailing half of the lunar surface if those particles 
are delivered to Earth without ever escaping geocentric orbit." [Some lunar 
meteoroids meteorites go into heliocentric orbit, however.]

  "If the 4[pi] CRE [cosmic-ray exposure] of an object could be shown to be 
only a few days [it can't] (so that the meteorite arrived via "direct" 
transfer), then one might be able to deduce more, especially if the ejection 
velocity and angle were known... Since such information is unlikely to be 
available [correct!], we must conclude that dynamics can do little to narrow 
down the source regions of lunar meteorites."

  So, theory doesn't help us.


  It has become fashionable, if not expected, in scientific papers about new 
lunar meteorites to speculate about where on the Moon a meteorite is likely to 
have originated.  I've done it myself.  The truth, however, is that we do not 
know with certainty where ANY given lunar meteorite comes from.  All of the 
statement in the literature by geochemists and geologists are based on a few 
observations and some assumptions:

  1) The high-thorium region of the Moon (the "PKT") is on the nearside.  There 
are no high-Th regions on the farside, although the SPA (South Pole-Aiken) 
region is a bit enriched in Th.  Therefore, if a lunar meteorite has high 
concentrations of Th, then it most likely comes from the nearside.  I'd say 
this assumption has a 99+% chance of being correct for SaU 169 and NWA 
4472/4485.  Gnos et al. (2004) speculate about the exact crater for SaU 169, 
but it is just speculation.  We have studied samples from the Apollo 12 
missions that are indistinguishable from SaU 169, and that site is 450 km from 
the crater advocated by Gnos et al. (They still might be right, however.)  I 
used to think that Calcalong Creek originated from the PKT, too, but now that 
we've obtained our own analysis of Calcalong Creek (which is not the focus of 
abstract, below), we note that it and Dhofar 961 have some "funny" geochemical 
characteristics that suggest to me that they ARE NOT from anywhere near the 
Apollo sites, which were all on the nearside.  That makes it more likely (but 
hard to quantify) that they come from the SPA area and, therefore, the farside. 

  http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2007/pdf/5257.pdf

  2) There are more maria (the dark "eyes or "seas") on the nearside, and the 
maria are rich in iron because the maria consist of basalt.  So, a given 
basaltic lunar meteorite is most likely to come from the nearside than the 
farside.  However, there are also maria on the farside, so maybe one or two of 
the basaltic meteorites originates from the farside.  

  The first lunar meteorite, ALHA 81005, was low in iron and thorium.  That led 
me (for example!) to state "The low LIL [large-ion-lithophile, like thorium] 
element concentrations of 81005 are consisten

Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorites from the farside

[Randy Korotev]

At 20:53 24-07-07 Tuesday, you wrote:

Thank you David. I didn't want to sound so 
skeptical. Remote sensing "suggests" is what I was refering to.
I definitely want to believe that farside rocks 
are in my possession. Just need some returned specimens for confirmation.




Jerry, and list:

To the best of my knowledge, about half of the 
lunar meteorites come from the farside and the 
other half from the nearside.  (And, with a bow 
to Jim Strope, that means that half come from 
DARK side and the other half from the not-dark 
side.)  I have heard no arguments that strongly 
challenge the assumption "lunar meteorites come 
from randomly distributed locations on the Moon," 
except for the one below.  That one is irrelevant 
to us in that any point on the Moon is in the 
"trailing half" half half of the time. [If I 
misunderstand this, please let me know.]


On the basis of dynamical modeling calculations, 
Gladman et al. (1995) make the following 
statements [with my comments in square brackets]:


"The earth should be uniformly covered with lunar 
meteorites [!], and there is no bias for or 
against Antarctica on dynamical grounds [!!]..."


"We thus conclude that the discovery location on 
the Earth imparts no information as to where on 
the Moon a lunar meteorite was 
launched.  Nevertheless Fig. 4 demonstrates that 
objects launched with high velocity (more than 
2.6 km/sec [lunar escape velocity is 2.4 km/sec]) 
have an extreme bias toward coming from the 
trailing half of the lunar surface if those 
particles are delivered to Earth without ever 
escaping geocentric orbit." [Some lunar 
meteoroids meteorites go into heliocentric orbit, however.]


"If the 4[pi] CRE [cosmic-ray exposure] of an 
object could be shown to be only a few days [it 
can't] (so that the meteorite arrived via 
"direct" transfer), then one might be able to 
deduce more, especially if the ejection velocity 
and angle were known... Since such information is 
unlikely to be available [correct!], we must 
conclude that dynamics can do little to narrow 
down the source regions of lunar meteorites."


So, theory doesn't help us.


It has become fashionable, if not expected, in 
scientific papers about new lunar meteorites to 
speculate about where on the Moon a meteorite is 
likely to have originated.  I've done it 
myself.  The truth, however, is that we do not 
know with certainty where ANY given lunar 
meteorite comes from.  All of the statement in 
the literature by geochemists and geologists are 
based on a few observations and some assumptions:


1) The high-thorium region of the Moon (the 
"PKT") is on the nearside.  There are no high-Th 
regions on the farside, although the SPA (South 
Pole-Aiken) region is a bit enriched in 
Th.  Therefore, if a lunar meteorite has high 
concentrations of Th, then it most likely comes 
from the nearside.  I'd say this assumption has a 
99+% chance of being correct for SaU 169 and NWA 
4472/4485.  Gnos et al. (2004) speculate about 
the exact crater for SaU 169, but it is just 
speculation.  We have studied samples from the 
Apollo 12 missions that are indistinguishable 
from SaU 169, and that site is 450 km from the 
crater advocated by Gnos et al. (They still might 
be right, however.)  I used to think that 
Calcalong Creek originated from the PKT, too, but 
now that we've obtained our own analysis of 
Calcalong Creek (which is not the focus of 
abstract, below), we note that it and Dhofar 961 
have some "funny" geochemical characteristics 
that suggest to me that they ARE NOT from 
anywhere near the Apollo sites, which were all on 
the nearside.  That makes it more likely (but 
hard to quantify) that they come from the SPA 
area and, therefore, the farside.


http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2007/pdf/5257.pdf

2) There are more maria (the dark "eyes or 
"seas") on the nearside, and the maria are rich 
in iron because the maria consist of basalt.  So, 
a given basaltic lunar meteorite is most likely 
to come from the nearside than the 
farside.  However, there are also maria on the 
farside, so maybe one or two of the basaltic 
meteorites originates from the farside.


The first lunar meteorite, ALHA 81005, was low in 
iron and thorium.  That led me (for example!) to 
state "The low LIL [large-ion-lithophile, like 
thorium] element concentrations of 81005 are 
consistent with an origin distant from the 
KREEP-rich Imbrium-Procellarum region [PKT, 
Apollo sites], possibly on the lunar farside" 
(Korotev et al., 1983).  Others said the same 
thing (it wasn't really a profound observation) 
and have continued to say so about new lunar 
meteorites because the statement sounds 
neat.  Now, about half the lunar meteorites are, 
in fact, feldspathic and low in iron and thorium.


http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/chemclass/chemclass.htm

Because a larger fraction of the farside real 
estate is low in iron and thorium, more than half 
of the feldspathic lunar meteorites probably DO 
come from t

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar diamonds (was Kalahari 008 andweathering)

[MexicoDoug]

Darren, I also originally interpreted your question as asking to find
sufficient carbon deposits on the moon capable of forming diamonds.  I would
think that "impact diamonds" are caused away from the point of impact due to
pressure waves well within the (incompressible) rocks.  A large impactor as
you comment is probably going to 'vaporize' in which case you won't get much
of anything, well maybe you are right - nanodiamonds from graphite, etc,
from the tail end? generally though I would think the diamonds wouldn't be
found in the regolith for Randy's comment, but in the impactor itself.  Then
you would need the surviving impactor to be pulverized by subsequent impacts
releasing the diamonds into the Lunar soil.  Or else we'd need to have
brought home the Lunar impactor itself to look for the diamonds, right?
Best Wishes and Great Health,
Doug


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Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar diamonds (was Kalahari 008
andweathering)


> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:35:50 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >No diamonds have been seen, to my knowledge.  The Moon contains very
> >little carbon.  Again, most of the carbon on the lunar surface comes
> >either from carbonaceous chondrites or is implanted by solar
> >wind.  Nowhere is the C concentration high enough to make a diamond
> >by impact pressure.
>
> I meant from carbon within the meteorites themselves, analogous to the
metal
> specks in lunars coming from meteorites.  Such as with some carbon in
graphite
> nodules in Canyon Diablo being converted into diamond by the shock of
impact.
> On Earth, only the large impacts retain the speed to be shocked into
diamonds,
> but on the Moon, any impact should have enough speed.  But maybe on the
Moon,
> they hit too hard?  Instead of diamondizing, they simply vaporize?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar diamonds (was Kalahari 008 and weathering)

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 12:35:50 -0500, you wrote:

>No diamonds have been seen, to my knowledge.  The Moon contains very 
>little carbon.  Again, most of the carbon on the lunar surface comes 
>either from carbonaceous chondrites or is implanted by solar 
>wind.  Nowhere is the C concentration high enough to make a diamond 
>by impact pressure.

I meant from carbon within the meteorites themselves, analogous to the metal
specks in lunars coming from meteorites.  Such as with some carbon in graphite
nodules in Canyon Diablo being converted into diamond by the shock of impact.
On Earth, only the large impacts retain the speed to be shocked into diamonds,
but on the Moon, any impact should have enough speed.  But maybe on the Moon,
they hit too hard?  Instead of diamondizing, they simply vaporize?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar diamonds (was Kalahari 008 and weathering)

[Randy Korotev]

No diamonds have been seen, to my knowledge.  The Moon contains very 
little carbon.  Again, most of the carbon on the lunar surface comes 
either from carbonaceous chondrites or is implanted by solar 
wind.  Nowhere is the C concentration high enough to make a diamond 
by impact pressure.


Randy Korotev


At 12:57 19-04-07 Thursday, you wrote:

On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 11:29:59 -0500, you wrote:

>I don't really know "how they did it," but most brecciated lunar
>meteorites do contain grains of metal - metal from asteroidal
>meteorites that strike the Moon and that created the breccias in the

This makes me think of something I've been wondering about-- have any micro
diamond been found in lunar materisl (either meteoritic or 
Apollo)?  Since some

large, high-speed impacts on Earth create diamonds, I'd think that they would
occur much more often on the moon, where every impact is a high-speed one.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Simulant...

[kevin decker]

I meant Lunar Soil Simulant...Ebay Auction..:300064723822..Kevin.


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Heres an Auction for a Lunar Simulant supposedly,from what this guy told me, was given to his highschool in 1968..I just got my package from him..: 300064723822.  Best Regards..Kevin.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Leonid Strikes

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, List,

> "Our best models of the lunar meteoroid
> environment predict a much lower rate -
> only 25% of what we are actually seeing."
> The problem may be with the computer models:
> "They're based on observations of meteors
> in the skies of Earth," and those data may not
> translate well to the Moon.

Replace the phrase "those data may not
translate well to the Moon" with the phrase
"those data are flawed and worthless."

The standard data is still the MORP figure
of 23,800 meteors (between 10 and 1000 grams)
per year. Back in 2000, I posted to the List a
new methodology for calculating the flux of rocks,
with four different ways of applying it, and all of
them produced an extimated spacerock flux of
3 to 4 times the MORP figure, or 80,000 to
100,000 rocks per annum.

Giving credit: In the ensuing discussion, Rob
Matson also estimated a high flux (from ground
studies, I believe) and suggested that 100,000 to
120,000 was more likely.

Getting my shave from Mr. Occam, the simplest
explanation of the observation of four times as many
meteoroids hitting the Moon as is predicted by bad
data from the Earth is that the data from Earth is
dead wrong and that there ARE four times as many
meteoroids (at least) than the bad data says.

I say "at least" because there is no reason to think
these observations (nor any observations) have a 100%
perfect data recovery rate (MORP obviously did not),
so the "likely" rate is 4+ more than the 23,800 figure,
or north of 100,000.

And please don't think I'm just bad-mouthing the
MORP project of long ago, a pioneering effort whose
results have stood because few carried on that kind of
search and research as they should have. The question
is why would their optically determined rate have been
so fractional of the reality?

I'm just starting to think about that. More "dark"
(or slow) objects? More small objects? More objects from
less detectable directions? A different time distribution
than they assumed? Poorer detection limits?

> every 4 hours they observe the Moon,
> they see one bright flash caused
> by the impact of a large meteoroid...

They don't say HOW large but at "normal" impact
speeds (Leonids are faster) that would have to be a
100 gram rock and probably bigger. The "four hour"
figure for the Moon would translate to a "big rock"
rate for the Earth of 40,000 "big rocks" per year.
(The range of sizes in the rate figure of 100,000+
is from 10 to 1000 gram.)

Assuming a power law distribution for 10 to 1000
grams, the total would be: 100-1000 gram rocks = 40,000
and 10 to 100 gram rocks = 125,000, for a total flux of
165,000 spacerocks per year for the Earth. (If by "large"
they mean 60 gram and up, the rate would be about
125,000.)

One more chunk of evidence to a picture that all
adds up to a greater "space rock" flux for Earth
than is generally believed.


Sterling K. Webb
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Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 1:10 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Leonid Strikes


>
> http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/01dec_lunarleonid.htm
>
> Lunar Leonid Strikes
> NASA Science News
> December 1, 2006
>
> Dec. 1, 2006: Meteoroids are smashing into the Moon a lot more often
> than anyone expected.
>
> That's the tentative conclusion of Bill Cooke, head of NASA's Meteoroid
> Environment Office, after his team observed two Leonids hitting the Moon
> on Nov. 17, 2006. "We've now seen 11 and possibly 12 lunar impacts since
> we started monitoring the Moon one year ago," says Cooke. "That's about
> four times more hits than our computer models predicted."
>
> If correct, this conclusion could influence planning for future moon
> missions. But first, the Leonids:
>
> Last month, Earth passed through a "minefield" of debris from Comet
> 55P/Tempel-Tuttle. This happens every year in mid-November and results
> in the annual Leonid meteor shower. From Nov. 17th to Nov. 19th both
> Earth and the Moon were peppered with meteoroids.
>
> Meteoroids that hit Earth disintegrate harmlessly (and beautifully) in
> the atmosphere. But the Moon has no atmosphere to protect it, so
> meteoroids don't stop in the sky. They hit the ground. The vast majority
> of these meteoroids are dust-sized, and their impacts are hardly felt.
> But bigger debris can gouge a crater in the lunar surface and explode in
> a flash of heat and light. Some flashes can be seen from Earth.
>
> During the passage through Tempel-Tuttle's debris field, Cooke's team
> trained their telescopes (two 14-inch reflectors located at the Marshall
> Space Flight Center) on the dark surface of the Moon. On Nov. 17th,
> after less than four hours of watching, they video-recorded two impacts:
> a 9th magnitude flash in Oceanus Procellarum (the Ocean of Storms) and a
> brighter 8th magnitude flash in the lunar highlands near crate

Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Leonid Strikes

[Charlie Devine]

Nice post, Jerry.  You're a heartfelt guy, as has been clear for some
time.  I know you're from Ma.  Take in the August Springfield show
sometime.  Always meteorites there, though not as many dealers as in
earlier years.  I'm from RI but have not been to the show for 3 years.
Maybe next year.  Everyone in these parts, but eastern Ma most of all,
remembers the Perfect Storm.  Sorry you apparently were very hard
hit..

Charlie

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Leonid Strikes

[Gerald Flaherty]

STILL WONDERING?!?

In the early 1990's, taking the advice of a populist TV astromomer, I lined
an overturned plastic rubbush LID with white plastic, filled it with clean
water, and left it, balanced on some cinder blocks, on the lawn overnight at
the height of the Perseids.
Being relatively unsophisticated about meteorites at the time, I rushed
outdoors, small magnet in hand, with the enthusiasm of a "child on Christmas
morning" to greet the dawn after witnessing a rather brilliant meteor
display on the marshes adjecent to the house the previous night.
Low and behold, I was rewarded by the thrill of discovery!!
Quite obvious against the white plastic, under an inch or two of water black
specks jumped up into the arms of the magnetic field. One in particular,
measuring over a millimeter needed no hand lens to appreciate, although I
spent endless minutes studing thier coarse, textured surfaces, enthralled
that I had become so rich.
Soon after I was a victim of the NONAME [or should I say "Perfect"]
Halloween storm of Oct 1991.
Some of my most prize possessions, these tiny spects, were lost as was much
my material "wealth".
I think of them often, even now as I stare at my modest Lunar and Martian,
Chondrite, Pallasite and Irons.
For nearly three years I've been lucky enough to have discovered, joined and
learned much from this List. It's funny how this thread has brought back
that twinge of loss once experienced decades ago.
Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: "Rob McCafferty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] LEONID'S MORE HOPE FOR COLLECTORS


> This is going to be one of my more thoughtful and
> intellectual contributions with a serious question
>
> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Sorry to disappoint you but meteor shower do not
>> produce meteorites.
>> They are minute fragments and burn completely in the
>> atmosphere.
>>
>> Too bad the Media does not know that.
>>
>
>
> Hmm. While most people with a background including
> astrophysics know this - of which I like to include
> myself as one - I have often wondered about the old
> meteorite/meteor shower conundrum
>
> I am pretty sure there are no meteorites which
> correspond date-wise to meteor showers but is this
> actually the case?
>
> While the average comet detritus is dust, it is not
> impossible, surely, for a much larger chunk to get
> ejected from a comet? The current theories of
> explosive outgassing would surely allow a chunk that
> broke off to achieve escape velocity. Is it beyond the
> realms of possibility that one of these may sit in the
> orbit of a comet waiting its transition into the
> atmosphere?
> I will confess, I have not the mathematical skill
> (primarily) nor time (secondarily) to work out the
> orbital dynamics of a big-enough chunk that broke off.
> I suspect that a large chunk is more likely to follow
> the orbital path of the main body than the dust which
> can get disperesed by radiation pressure quite
> quickly, though theres the radiative effect during
> rotation which effects orbits too (I forget its name).
> Will that cause it to move out of the comet's orbital
> path?
>
> We know comets fragment. We have photographic evidence
> of it. We know the fragments spread out (ditto). Why
> can we not have meteorites from comets?
>
> Just because we haven't yet, doesn't mean it is
> impossible. Mass extinctions have not been observed
> dur to major impact events yet, either. We all know
> that doesn't mean it can't happen or hasn't happened
> in the past. I am not sure my scenario is any
> different.
>
> That probe which crashed into the comet recently
> (again, I forget the name..I have a full time job to
> hold down), did it determine the consistency of the
> surface?
>
> Are comets and their fragments too fragile to survive
> the transition to Earth from space? If they are, then
> isn't it time we stopped likening Murchison to a
> comet?
>
> NOT SCIENTIFIC BIT.
>
> Or is it that "we just don't know?" That phrase which
> is likely to cause me to create "the dead Scientists
> Society". A secret forum where top scientists can, in
> confidence, air their misgivings and failures in
> understanding which society will not let them admit.
>
> Funny, isn't it?  As society dumbs down, it expects
> the egg-heads to know and solve more! Lazy bast**ds!
>
> Rob McC
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar? Met 101 Long Rant

[Gary K. Foote]

You're right of course Elton.  I have changed my site to reflect the specimen's 
unknown 
nature.  In the future I will try to constrain my enthusiasm to the facts and 
not 
speculation.

Cheers,

Gary

On 30 Nov 2006 at 20:40, Mr EMan wrote:

> 
> OK... a sanity check here.  If it screams meteorwrong
> why list it in the collection of meteorites with the
> caption "Possible lunar???"  Such speculation cloaked
> in "???" is a disservice to novices who happen upon
> the photo when Googling  and use that caption to
> justify their meteorwrongs.
> 
> Maybe it is just me, but when I see meteorwrongs
> casually listed in a list of valid meteorites I wonder
> what we are doing here.  Suggesting that this is a
> meteorite is like putting the cart before the dead
> horse. Hinting it is possibly a rare lunar meteorite
> is something we collectors should stay far away from. 
> It feeds into the Boggy Creek Vision Rock mindset.
> 
> If one is serious about becoming a mentor for others
> they should master "Meteorite 101".  There are many
> obvious contradictions in this example. This rock
> should never have gotten to first base as a meteorite
> candidate. I don't know what criterion  this object
> was evaluated with but whatever they were, throw them
> away!
> 
> 1. How many lunarites have chondrules?.Zero.
> Lunarites by definition don't have chondrules.
> 
> 2. What do chondrules look like?...well... not like
> fossils and not like these. A student of meteorites
> should know what chondrules look like. They should
> also  know on sight 10 items mistaken for chondrules.
> 
> 3. What "anorthosite" properties was the friend
> referring to? Cleavage? hardness? Specific gravity? Or
> was it microscopic clays in this SANDSTONE(or so it
> appears)?  
> 
> 4. There is NO fusion(root word:fuse: aka melt) crust
> on this slice. Manganese /organic staining from being
> buried in acidic soil should not be mistaken for it.
> Hint: a grainy surface almost by definition can't show
> "flow features"  This is a huge peeve of mine. So many
> wannabe Ebayers are advertising fusion crust where
> none exists that the myth is starting to take over.
> Just like chondrules: people read descriptions then
> try to adapt their rock to fit the description. Same
> with "fusion" crust claims. A black color doesn't
> fusion crust make!
> 
> There is a pallasite on EBay right now that literally
> a rusty ball, but the seller assures buyers this is
> fusion crust.  I hear all the time about fusion crusts
> on iron meteorites--ain't no such thing! Seems any
> wind worn NWA on EBay that isn't obviously fractured
> has fusion crust--NOT.
> 
> 
>  --and next time any of us get coned into identifying
> someone's "meteorite" instead of giving them false
> hope just say NO!  It is harder to say no but in the
> long run; People get mad at you when you tell them
> they don't have a meteorite even when you make them
> promise before hand to not get mad.  
> 
> I know I sound like a pedantically nagging purist
> insisting on "book learning" but I think we should
> strive for accuracy. We are no better than the Boggy
> Creek Emerald Meteorite Vision Rock crowd when we
> ignore the science in favor of the romance.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Elton
> 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar? Met 101 Long Rant

[Mr EMan]

OK... a sanity check here.  If it screams meteorwrong
why list it in the collection of meteorites with the
caption "Possible lunar???"  Such speculation cloaked
in "???" is a disservice to novices who happen upon
the photo when Googling  and use that caption to
justify their meteorwrongs.

Maybe it is just me, but when I see meteorwrongs
casually listed in a list of valid meteorites I wonder
what we are doing here.  Suggesting that this is a
meteorite is like putting the cart before the dead
horse. Hinting it is possibly a rare lunar meteorite
is something we collectors should stay far away from. 
It feeds into the Boggy Creek Vision Rock mindset.

If one is serious about becoming a mentor for others
they should master "Meteorite 101".  There are many
obvious contradictions in this example. This rock
should never have gotten to first base as a meteorite
candidate. I don't know what criterion  this object
was evaluated with but whatever they were, throw them
away!

1. How many lunarites have chondrules?.Zero.
Lunarites by definition don't have chondrules.

2. What do chondrules look like?...well... not like
fossils and not like these. A student of meteorites
should know what chondrules look like. They should
also  know on sight 10 items mistaken for chondrules.

3. What "anorthosite" properties was the friend
referring to? Cleavage? hardness? Specific gravity? Or
was it microscopic clays in this SANDSTONE(or so it
appears)?  

4. There is NO fusion(root word:fuse: aka melt) crust
on this slice. Manganese /organic staining from being
buried in acidic soil should not be mistaken for it.
Hint: a grainy surface almost by definition can't show
"flow features"  This is a huge peeve of mine. So many
wannabe Ebayers are advertising fusion crust where
none exists that the myth is starting to take over.
Just like chondrules: people read descriptions then
try to adapt their rock to fit the description. Same
with "fusion" crust claims. A black color doesn't
fusion crust make!

There is a pallasite on EBay right now that literally
a rusty ball, but the seller assures buyers this is
fusion crust.  I hear all the time about fusion crusts
on iron meteorites--ain't no such thing! Seems any
wind worn NWA on EBay that isn't obviously fractured
has fusion crust--NOT.


 --and next time any of us get coned into identifying
someone's "meteorite" instead of giving them false
hope just say NO!  It is harder to say no but in the
long run; People get mad at you when you tell them
they don't have a meteorite even when you make them
promise before hand to not get mad.  

I know I sound like a pedantically nagging purist
insisting on "book learning" but I think we should
strive for accuracy. We are no better than the Boggy
Creek Emerald Meteorite Vision Rock crowd when we
ignore the science in favor of the romance.

Sincerely,
Elton




--- "Gary K. Foote" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Thanks Norbert.  My first impression was the same as
> yours.  The porosity of the specimen 
> was my first clue.  It does seem to have some
> flow-like shape on one edge and there 
> appear to be something like chondrules in the
> matrix, but beyond that it screams 
> meteorwrong to me too.
> 
> Hi Gary,
> I see actually nothing that would make me think
> that this sample could be
> of lunar origin. The overall texture, color, and
> appearance doesn't even
> hint to a meteoritic origin. Probably just another
> terrestrial rock.
> > Sorry.
> 
> > All the best,
> > Norbert Classen



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar?

[Darren Garrison]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:05:09 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi All,
>
>I received this slice from a friend who believes it may be a lunar. 

See, he had this vision, a vision of a orange penguin pointing at the rock (with
a flipper, okay?) and it squaked "absolut, absolut" and he knew that he had been
drinking too much vodka, and that this was a valuable lunar meteorte that God
sent to him so that he could get rich on Ebay and make slightly less silly and
offensive clones of Chick tracts.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar?

[Gary K. Foote]

Thanks Norbert.  My first impression was the same as yours.  The porocity of 
the specimen 
was my first clue.  It does seem to have some flow-like shape on one edge and 
there 
appear to be something like chondrules in the matrix, but beyond that it 
screams 
meteorwrong to me too.

> Hi Gary,
>
> I see actually nothing that would make me think that this sample could be
> of lunar origin. The overall texture, color, and appearance doesn't even
> hint to a meteoritic origin. Probably just another terrestrial rock.
> Sorry.

> All the best,
> Norbert Classen

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar?

[Norbert Classen]

Hi Gary,

I see actually nothing that would make me think that this sample could be of
lunar origin. The overall texture, color, and appearance doesn't even hint
to a meteoritic origin. Probably just another terrestrial rock. Sorry.

All the best,
Norbert Classen

http://www.meteoris.de/
Planetary Meteorites

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Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Foote
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 29. November 2006 16:05
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: [meteorite-list] Lunar?

Hi All,

I received this slice from a friend who believes it may be a lunar.  I've
lightly dry polished it with 400 grit and scanned it for web presentation.
If
anyone on this list is familiar with lunars can you take a look?  I know
there can be no definitive answer without proper classification, but
educated eyeballs may be able to spot things that eliminate it as a lunar.

http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/lunar.html

Thanks for your help,

Gary Foote
http://www.meteorite-dealers.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar vs. Martian Meteorites

[Gerald Flaherty]

Well said Bernd and credible to my unsophistocated leanings.
Jerry Flaherty
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar vs. Martian Meteorites



Hello Listees and Listoids,

There are twice as many lunar meteorites in my collection than martian 
meteorites
and I've been asking myself several times why. We all know Mars is an 
extremely
interesting celestial body, especially because it is a much better 
candidate for the
existence of (microbial) life than, ... say Venus with its seething 
temperatures and
rains of sulfuric acid or our celestial neighbor, the Moon, with its 
tenuous atmosphere

that is virtually non-existant (compared to Earth's atmosphere).

Here's my very personal answer: Long before I started collecting 
meteorites, I used to
watch the starry sky with all its planets, stars, star clusters, galaxies, 
nebulae, so
many other wondrous things, and, of course: the Moon, La Lune, Luna, der 
Mond.


Mars was seldom more than a tiny circular speck in my 8-inch Celestron 
telescope.
There were moments - seconds - when the seeing was so steady that I was 
able to
see the different hues and shades of planet Mars - a split-second later it 
was

gone and nothing was left but a blurry, fuzzy image in my eyepiece :-(

But whenever I point my telescope toward "la lune", it is always a true 
feast for the
eyes (even in bad seeing!), a celestial banquet of sorts and I often feel 
like delving
into the depths of lunar craters, rilles, flooded lava plains, rays, 
domes, and so much
more. I've always enjoyed those subtle color shades - dazzling white, 
light gray, dark
gray, the stark contrast between unlit crater-floors and their rims 
bathing in glaring
sunlight and all kinds of delicate in-betweens of hues, especially on the 
mare floors.


Our Moon is much closer to me - both in distance and emotionally than 
planet Mars and
it is an undescribable feeling of closeness, of nearness, of familiarness. 
So, when I
look at my lunars, especially my latest "Moon" (Norbert, Martin A., 
Stefan, and a few
others probably know which one I am talking about :-), when I hold it in 
my hands while
watching its progenitor up in the sky, then I feel like greeting a good, 
old friend so

far away and yet so near.

Best wishes,

Bernd



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar vs. Martian Meteorites

[MexicoDoug]

Hello Listees,

One of these days soon I'll be getting my hands on more of the
Moon:-)...Enjoyable post on why the Moon has a special place in nearby outer
space.

I'd like to add that la Luna effects our life here on Mater Tellus time with
connections that inspire us even before we lift our curious spirits
heavenwards.  From our Mom's monthly cycle of our conception, to our
harvesting of the fields during periods of overtime, to our wish on our
Deathbed to see one more Full Moon in her crisply brilliant Splendor; to the
timing when we pay our phone, electric and loan bills, to how well we can
catch fish in God's lands - to the history of our own planet ... we like da
Moon !

Not to forget...when we are lost at night the Moon is our guiding light, and
as kids the familiarity starts, we see:

Cows jumping over the Moon
A Rabbit in the Moon
Pandora in the Moon
V. Mary and Jesus in the Moon
Cain in the Moon
A Man in the Moon
A Crab in the Moon
A Toad in the Moon
A Dragonslayer and Dragon in the Moon
A Burro in the Moon
A Bison in the Moon
A Moose in the Moon
A Bug in the Moon
etc...

Best wishes,
Doug

- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar vs. Martian Meteorites


> Hello Listees and Listoids,
>
> There are twice as many lunar meteorites in my collection than martian
meteorites
> and I've been asking myself several times why. We all know Mars is an
extremely
> interesting celestial body, especially because it is a much better
candidate for the
> existence of (microbial) life than, ... say Venus with its seething
temperatures and
> rains of sulfuric acid or our celestial neighbor, the Moon, with its
tenuous atmosphere
> that is virtually non-existant (compared to Earth's atmosphere).
>
> Here's my very personal answer: Long before I started collecting
meteorites, I used to
> watch the starry sky with all its planets, stars, star clusters, galaxies,
nebulae, so
> many other wondrous things, and, of course: the Moon, La Lune, Luna, der
Mond.
>
> Mars was seldom more than a tiny circular speck in my 8-inch Celestron
telescope.
> There were moments - seconds - when the seeing was so steady that I was
able to
> see the different hues and shades of planet Mars - a split-second later it
was
> gone and nothing was left but a blurry, fuzzy image in my eyepiece :-(
>
> But whenever I point my telescope toward "la lune", it is always a true
feast for the
> eyes (even in bad seeing!), a celestial banquet of sorts and I often feel
like delving
> into the depths of lunar craters, rilles, flooded lava plains, rays,
domes, and so much
> more. I've always enjoyed those subtle color shades - dazzling white,
light gray, dark
> gray, the stark contrast between unlit crater-floors and their rims
bathing in glaring
> sunlight and all kinds of delicate in-betweens of hues, especially on the
mare floors.
>
> Our Moon is much closer to me - both in distance and emotionally than
planet Mars and
> it is an undescribable feeling of closeness, of nearness, of familiarness.
So, when I
> look at my lunars, especially my latest "Moon" (Norbert, Martin A.,
Stefan, and a few
> others probably know which one I am talking about :-), when I hold it in
my hands while
> watching its progenitor up in the sky, then I feel like greeting a good,
old friend so
> far away and yet so near.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Bernd
>
>
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar loony Thad Roberts speaks up

[Dave Carothers]

One has to wonder if Thad promised Bubba a  moon rock.  Hey Bubba Rock
on, dude.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar loony Thad Roberts speaks up


There is an (apparently excerpted) letter from lunar meteorite theif Thad
Roberts in the letters page of the current (Sept. 2006) issue of Discover
magazine.  This is the article to which he was responding:


http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/whatmoon.jpg


Here's the letter:


As the former NASA intern serving eight years for the theft of moon rocks, I
thought you might be interested in my response to "Whatever Happened to Moon
Rocks?" [Data, July].  Imagine being able to give a piece of the moon to a
young
girl.  Imagine watching her face as her little fingers slowly grasp that
piece
of heaven.  She will embody the admirable essence of what it is to be human.
She will be, at heart, an explorer ... with a little piece of the moon in
her
pocket.

Thad Roberts
Federal Prison Camp
Florence, Colorado


I wonder if his comments were so off-the-wall BEFORE meeting his boyfriend
Bubba?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar loony Thad Roberts speaks up

[MARK BOSTICK]

I wrote "several extra time for bad behavior.' and meant "serving extra time 
for bad behavior."  At least I got the names right...:^)


Clear Skies,
Mark
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar loony Thad Roberts speaks up

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello Rob and list,

In this case, NASA interns Thad Roberts, Tiffany Fowler, and Shae Saur, 
broke into a NASA lab and used a dolly to wheel the 600 pound safe to a 
loading dock and into a Jeep Cherokee. The 600-pound safe was broken into at 
a Clear Lake motel and later discarded.


The lab they broke into was Everett Gibson's, who is lead and co-writer of 
many of the ALH84001 papers, among a million other things in his ~30 year 
resume.


It is also my understanding, from conversion with Gibson, that Roberts is 
several extra time for bad behavior.


Interesting in his letter mentions nothing about trying to sell the 
specimens, which also including pieces of ALH84001.


Also stolen with the safe was Gibson's papers on the Mars rock.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar loony Thad Roberts speaks up

[Rob McCafferty]

Haha! 

I know of this theft! I know because I borowed a
similar set of lunar rocks to show at my school from
PPARC (Particle Physics and Research Astronomy
Council) in the UK just this February. They were mega
shit-hot on the security of the samples I borowed due
to the theft in the US.

However, not is all as it seems!

In the UK we are forced to provide a location for
storage and have it confirmed by an inspector that
it's sufficiently secure to  meet NASA's strict
guidelines.

Now I know that the US has always been paranoid of
everything outside thier borders but how I hear this
scheme runs in the US is hilarious.

I take it the black market is too smart to use the
internet!

The samples (photo enclosed for scale, it's my son by
the way) are delivered in an armoured van, bank style,
from their storage location. The van has a registered
driver who stays with the van/samples, wherever they
are delivered. (I guess each state has it's own van)
then delivers them to a secure loction for overnight
storage.

Now there lies the weak link, but not in the way you
think! My understanding of this theft was that they
couldn't find a secure location for the night but they
instead decided to leave it in the van's safe deposit
thing! 

So obviously, the theives just stole the whole van and
I suppose opened the safe at their leisure sometime
later.

Duh!


I take it the black market is too smart to use the
internet!

The only virgin moondust I've seen recently is USSR 
Luna stuff sold in 199x for about $600k if i recall.
At $15000/speck it seemed a little pricey. I believe
the stuff is genuine but it makes NWA773 prices look
like a bargain. No shame, some people!

--- Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There is an (apparently excerpted) letter from lunar
> meteorite theif Thad
> Roberts in the letters page of the current (Sept.
> 2006) issue of Discover
> magazine.  This is the article to which he was
> responding:
> 
> 
>
http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/whatmoon.jpg
> 
> 
> Here's the letter:
> 
> 
> As the former NASA intern serving eight years for
> the theft of moon rocks, I
> thought you might be interested in my response to
> "Whatever Happened to Moon
> Rocks?" [Data, July].  Imagine being able to give a
> piece of the moon to a young
> girl.  Imagine watching her face as her little
> fingers slowly grasp that piece
> of heaven.  She will embody the admirable essence of
> what it is to be human.
> She will be, at heart, an explorer ... with a little
> piece of the moon in her
> pocket.
> 
> Thad Roberts
> Federal Prison Camp
> Florence, Colorado 
> 
> 
> I wonder if his comments were so off-the-wall BEFORE
> meeting his boyfriend
> Bubba?
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Re: [meteorite-list] LUNAR THIN SECTIONS

[Gerald Flaherty]

Thanks Sterling.
Jerry Flaherty
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Subject: [meteorite-list] LUNAR THIN SECTIONS



Hi, All,

   Fans of thin section photos may have already 
found this website, but if not, you should take

a look at:
http://www.union.edu/PUBLIC/GEODEPT/COURSES/petrology/moon_rocks/

   A very large number of Lunar thin sections, nicely
photographed by Kurt Hollocher of Union College in 
Schenectady, NY.


   Beautiful stuff.


Sterling K. Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] LUNAR THIN SECTIONS

[Kashuba, Ontario, California]

Well, he's got it laid out nicely.

- John

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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:58 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] LUNAR THIN SECTIONS



Hi, All,

   Fans of thin section photos may have already 
found this website, but if not, you should take

a look at:
http://www.union.edu/PUBLIC/GEODEPT/COURSES/petrology/moon_rocks/

   A very large number of Lunar thin sections, nicely
photographed by Kurt Hollocher of Union College in 
Schenectady, NY.


   Beautiful stuff.


Sterling K. Webb

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Burn

[Chris Peterson]

The color produced by a meteor is primarily a product of the ionization 
of atmospheric gases. You might learn something about the composition of 
the object spectroscopically, but such measurements are difficult and 
rare. Simply using color reported by witnesses is of no value in 
assessing composition.


Chris

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From: "Meteorite Game" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar Burn


What color would a lunar meteor give off in the atmosphere? If I'm not 
mistaken their basalt?


 Could a probability factor be given to pass and future meteors showing 
the probability of a meteor being lunar?


 With a high probability factor would this not aid  meteorite hunters 
to make a recovery of a lunar meteorite?


 Cordially,

 Rick

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite list

[meteoritehunter]

Why do that, they are paired pieces, some of the Oman meteorites for example, 
20 stones were found, they are all numbered, but not different meteorites. 
There are 38 seperate unpaired lunar meteorites. Hell, I have about 10,000 gao 
stones, so should they all be numbered and given new names?
 -- Original message --
From: "Tim Heitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> I counted the individually numbered lunar meteorites, its over well over 
> 100, count them.
> http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/moon_meteorites_list.html
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> Tim Heitz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> > 38+ 30(???) = 68  Dave F.
> > not the sharpest knife in the drawer
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >>Here is the official list of Lunar meteorites. Not sure where the 120 # 
> >>came from, there are only 38 official known lunar meteorites. We know of a 
> >>couple more that are being worked on, but this is it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite list

[Tim Heitz]

I counted the individually numbered lunar meteorites, its over well over 
100, count them.

http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/moon_meteorites_list.html

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38+ 30(???) = 68  Dave F.
not the sharpest knife in the drawer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here is the official list of Lunar meteorites. Not sure where the 120 # 
came from, there are only 38 official known lunar meteorites. We know of a 
couple more that are being worked on, but this is it.


http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/moon_meteorites_list.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite list

[Mark Rexburg]

Nor are you.

38 DIFFERENT Lunars as I read it.

Sohow many of them have your recovered, Skippy?

Mark



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Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 14:26:33 -0700

38+ 30(???) = 68  Dave F.
not the sharpest knife in the drawer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here is the official list of Lunar meteorites. Not sure where the 120 # 
came from, there are only 38 official known lunar meteorites. We know of a 
couple more that are being worked on, but this is it.


http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/moon_meteorites_list.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar meteorite list

[dfreeman]

38+ 30(???) = 68  
Dave F.

not the sharpest knife in the drawer

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Here is the official list of Lunar meteorites. 
Not sure where the 120 # came from, there are only 38 official known lunar meteorites. We know of a couple more that are being worked on, but this is it.


http://epsc.wustl.edu/admin/resources/meteorites/moon_meteorites_list.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Francis Graham]

List:
 A few comments were made about the likelihood of the
stolen samples being discarded into a nearby dumpster,
or offered stupidly on E-Bay. That may happen and
these possibilities should be explored for recovery.
 Criminal intelligence is bimodal in the US ,
according to an insightful analysis by John David
Keller, a Kent State education prof. Criminals are in
the main very dumb or very smart. 
  The dumb ones are generally cajoled by the smart
ones who use them as patsies or frame them. The dumb
ones are repeatedly arrested. Smart criminals in
general do not get caught, as evidenced by the 2-10
metric tons of cocaine daily that cross US borders to
conservatively satisfy US demand. Those smart crooks
that do get caught have done their criminal acts
innumerable times, and finally ran into bad luck, got
careless, or ran into smarter cops.
  Smart criminals are not served by the kind of
detached intelligence that constitute academic
intellectuals. Witness the laughable screw-ups of the
NASA college interns who stole the Johnson lunar
samples and Gibson's notebook. Real smart criminals in
general are very resourceful, very adept at lying
convincingly, think in legal terms, have good
memories, think fast on their feet, can readily
manipulate others, and can scheme creatively in minute
detail. 
  The highly competitive labor market makes criminal
intelligence bimodal.  Large number of persons who, in
the 20th century industrial society, would have become
employed as unskilled laborers now subsist on a
reportable $5000 or less per year and some therefore
will try their luck in criminal enterprises to gain
headway. Most of those that do engage in crime are
arrested repeatedly and eventually jailed for long
terms. Because of the large number of unskilled
people, even a small percentage (smaller than, say,
upper class tax cheaters) means that large numbers of
people show up as a bimodal hump on the low end.
  But since the highly competitive labor market in the
USA cuts across all socioeconomic strata, a percentage
of middle class folks engage in crime, too, but those
who do not have the required personality traits for
successful criminal behavior are quickly caught. The
numbers, though, are not as many.
  On the other end are people who have a "gift" for
criminal enterprise who do not get caught, so their
numbers, though few as a percentage of initial
offenders, contribute to the bimodal hump because they
do not get caught. The internet phisher for ID
information is likely to be a former dot-commer rather
than an automatic weapon finessed drug kingpin, but
their capacity to victimize others without remorse is
no less.
  Further, the highly competitive labor market also
discourages smart cops by depressing wages, and
overworks them to a hasty burnout. Not all, but too
many.
  In short, while it is likely that the lunar samples
will be found in a nearby dumpster (if anyone bothers
to look) as an unfencible item, it's also possible
that they are in the hands of a capable criminal and
will make their way to rich collectors in Tokyo,
Riyadh or some other cosmopolitan place quite
clandestinely. It's even possible that this e-mail,
once archived,  will be read by the perp from an
anonymous library terminal as a general survey of
intelligence about his/her crime. 

Francis Graham


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RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Axel Emmermann]

Hm, could be the weather but I sense this strange pulling sensation in my
leg ;-)

Think I'll keep the "poly" translated as "many" since the polygraph records
many parameters simultaneously... heartbeat, skin conductivity and other
stress-related factors. The "graph" is probably derived from graphite as you
say.
Anyway, "polygraph avian stress" didn't google.

Axel


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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:15:15 +0100, "Axel Emmermann"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>plug him into the polygraph (BTW: is that Greek for "multiwriter"? ;-
>

Little known fact-- before the modern electronic polygraph, police often
used specially-traied
parrots who were sensitive to human emotions during interregations, and when
those birds (which are
very good at sensing differences in vocal tones, hence their ability to
learn to talk) sensed a
change in the questioned person's tone, they were trained to make a mark on
a piece of paper with a
piece of charcoal that they held in their beaks.  The proper term was "Avian
Stress Sensor" but
somewhere along the way, the slang term "polygraph" was coined-- "Polly"
being a common name for
parrots, and "graph" being short for graphite.



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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Göran Axelsson]

That was a beauty!

I just have to print it and put it up next to the stress lab at work, we 
have two polygraphs in that room.


 Thanks for the laugh!

 :-)

To get back to the space theme, I once saw a movie called "Ice Pirates", 
it's a B-movie and a parody on Sci-Fi movies. It has a scene with a 
plucked parrot (stressed avian) saying the line "He's lying, dont 
believe him!".

That scene just makes so much more sense now.

/Göran



Darren Garrison wrote:


On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:15:15 +0100, "Axel Emmermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


plug him into the polygraph (BTW: is that Greek for "multiwriter"? ;-

   



Little known fact-- before the modern electronic polygraph, police often used 
specially-traied
parrots who were sensitive to human emotions during interregations, and when 
those birds (which are
very good at sensing differences in vocal tones, hence their ability to learn 
to talk) sensed a
change in the questioned person's tone, they were trained to make a mark on a 
piece of paper with a
piece of charcoal that they held in their beaks.  The proper term was "Avian Stress 
Sensor" but
somewhere along the way, the slang term "polygraph" was coined-- "Polly" being 
a common name for
parrots, and "graph" being short for graphite.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Darren Garrison]

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 00:15:15 +0100, "Axel Emmermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>plug him into the polygraph (BTW: is that Greek for "multiwriter"? ;-
>

Little known fact-- before the modern electronic polygraph, police often used 
specially-traied
parrots who were sensitive to human emotions during interregations, and when 
those birds (which are
very good at sensing differences in vocal tones, hence their ability to learn 
to talk) sensed a
change in the questioned person's tone, they were trained to make a mark on a 
piece of paper with a
piece of charcoal that they held in their beaks.  The proper term was "Avian 
Stress Sensor" but
somewhere along the way, the slang term "polygraph" was coined-- "Polly" being 
a common name for
parrots, and "graph" being short for graphite.  
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RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Axel Emmermann]

plug him into the polygraph (BTW: is that Greek for "multiwriter"? ;-

When my car was stolen (from my driveway) in 1994, an agent of the insurance
company gave me a 3rd degree interrogation. When I left home and drove away
for work (in my rental) I saw him sneak out of his car and knock on my door.
Clearly he wanted to have a go at my wife and kids to trick them into saying
something that was not consistent with my story. I drove around the block
and went back in... just in time to see my wife pouring a glass of water in
his lap.
I dragged the guy out by his nose hairs and predicted his immediate future
in the "if then, else" tense. Got my money the next week, never saw the
weasel again.
Now, if insurance companies go that far for a car, what is our "victim" to
expect??? The rack? Thumbscrews?

Axel


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 "Leaving something like that in a car to be
stolen reeks of irresponsibility."

...Or culpability!

Dave F.
(with email server issues)



Michael Farmer wrote:

>I have a funny feeling that this will also turn up.
>Anyone who opened it and saw NASA on the disk should
>know it is worth something. I suggest the authorities
>scan the pawn shops in the area.
>I certainly hope it is found, and the thief caught.
>The person who's car was broken into should be
>punished. Leaving something like that in a car to be
>stolen reeks of irresponsibility.
>Mike Farmer
>
>--- Axel Emmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Hello list,
>>
>>unlike that time in 2002 when lunar samples were
>>stolen, the thief has not
>>yet reached a high enough level of stupidity to
>>attempt to offer the stolen
>>rocks for sale on our MKA 's "virtual quarry" (
>>http://www.minerant.org/vq.html#1963 ).
>>Should he do so I will of course notify the
>>authorities again... (LOL).
>>
>>Could there be a strategy behind these reoccurring
>>thefts of lunar rocks?
>>Maybe something like: "Hey, if we just let all the
>>crooks have a piece of
>>moon rock they finally might stop stealing them".
>>
>>
>>Best regards
>>
>># 15513 (still orbiting somewhere between Mars and
>>Jupiter)
>>
>>
>>-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>>Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
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>>Ron Baalke
>>Verzonden: zaterdag 14 januari 2006 2:33
>>Aan: Meteorite Mailing List
>>Onderwerp: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples
>>Stolen from Car in
>>Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4360855&nav=23ii
>
>
>>Lunar Rock Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia Beach
>>wavy.com
>>January 13, 2006
>>
>>Samples of lunar rocks were stolen from a car in
>>Virginia Beach Tuesday,
>>and police need your help in locating them.
>>
>>Police say around 3:24 p.m., they responded to a
>>call in the 300 block
>>of Garcia Drive.  When they arrived, the victim told
>>them a projector,
>>and a silver briefcase containing a sample of rare
>>lunar rocks had been
>>stolen from his car.
>>
>>The lunar rocks are entrusted to contracted
>>instructors by NASA for
>>educational purposes.  They are sealed within two
>>clear plastic disks,
>>as you see pictured on the right.
>>
>>The disks are labeled in the center with the words
>>"meteorite samples"
>>and "lunar samples."  The samples pose no risk to
>>the public.
>>
>>Anyone with information regarding this crime is
>>encouraged to call
>>Virginia Beach Crime Solvers at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Darren Garrison]

On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:53:26 -0700, dfreeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Leaving something like that in a car to be
>stolen reeks of irresponsibility."
>
>...Or culpability!
>

Or maybe even "gosh, I'm sorry, the samples were stolen from my car, honest, 
while greedily
chuckling over the excellent additions to your personal collection"-bility
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[dfreeman]

"Leaving something like that in a car to be
stolen reeks of irresponsibility."

...Or culpability!

Dave F.
(with email server issues)



Michael Farmer wrote:


I have a funny feeling that this will also turn up.
Anyone who opened it and saw NASA on the disk should
know it is worth something. I suggest the authorities
scan the pawn shops in the area. 
I certainly hope it is found, and the thief caught. 
The person who's car was broken into should be

punished. Leaving something like that in a car to be
stolen reeks of irresponsibility.
Mike Farmer

--- Axel Emmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Hello list,

unlike that time in 2002 when lunar samples were
stolen, the thief has not
yet reached a high enough level of stupidity to
attempt to offer the stolen
rocks for sale on our MKA 's "virtual quarry" (
http://www.minerant.org/vq.html#1963 ).
Should he do so I will of course notify the
authorities again... (LOL).

Could there be a strategy behind these reoccurring
thefts of lunar rocks?
Maybe something like: "Hey, if we just let all the
crooks have a piece of
moon rock they finally might stop stealing them".


Best regards

# 15513 (still orbiting somewhere between Mars and
Jupiter)


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Stolen from Car in
Virginia




   


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Lunar Rock Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia Beach
wavy.com
January 13, 2006

Samples of lunar rocks were stolen from a car in
Virginia Beach Tuesday,
and police need your help in locating them.

Police say around 3:24 p.m., they responded to a
call in the 300 block
of Garcia Drive.  When they arrived, the victim told
them a projector,
and a silver briefcase containing a sample of rare
lunar rocks had been
stolen from his car.

The lunar rocks are entrusted to contracted
instructors by NASA for
educational purposes.  They are sealed within two
clear plastic disks,
as you see pictured on the right.

The disks are labeled in the center with the words
"meteorite samples"
and "lunar samples."  The samples pose no risk to
the public.

Anyone with information regarding this crime is
encouraged to call
Virginia Beach Crime Solvers at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.

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RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Axel Emmermann]

Hear hear!

If one chooses to be nonchalant, one should do it with one's own stuff...
not with objects that belong to the people.

Axel

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I have a funny feeling that this will also turn up.
Anyone who opened it and saw NASA on the disk should
know it is worth something. I suggest the authorities
scan the pawn shops in the area.
I certainly hope it is found, and the thief caught.
The person who's car was broken into should be
punished. Leaving something like that in a car to be
stolen reeks of irresponsibility.
Mike Farmer

--- Axel Emmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> unlike that time in 2002 when lunar samples were
> stolen, the thief has not
> yet reached a high enough level of stupidity to
> attempt to offer the stolen
> rocks for sale on our MKA 's "virtual quarry" (
> http://www.minerant.org/vq.html#1963 ).
> Should he do so I will of course notify the
> authorities again... (LOL).
>
> Could there be a strategy behind these reoccurring
> thefts of lunar rocks?
> Maybe something like: "Hey, if we just let all the
> crooks have a piece of
> moon rock they finally might stop stealing them".
>
>
> Best regards
>
> # 15513 (still orbiting somewhere between Mars and
> Jupiter)
>
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Ron Baalke
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> Lunar Rock Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia Beach
> wavy.com
> January 13, 2006
>
> Samples of lunar rocks were stolen from a car in
> Virginia Beach Tuesday,
> and police need your help in locating them.
>
> Police say around 3:24 p.m., they responded to a
> call in the 300 block
> of Garcia Drive.  When they arrived, the victim told
> them a projector,
> and a silver briefcase containing a sample of rare
> lunar rocks had been
> stolen from his car.
>
> The lunar rocks are entrusted to contracted
> instructors by NASA for
> educational purposes.  They are sealed within two
> clear plastic disks,
> as you see pictured on the right.
>
> The disks are labeled in the center with the words
> "meteorite samples"
> and "lunar samples."  The samples pose no risk to
> the public.
>
> Anyone with information regarding this crime is
> encouraged to call
> Virginia Beach Crime Solvers at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.
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RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Michael Farmer]

I have a funny feeling that this will also turn up.
Anyone who opened it and saw NASA on the disk should
know it is worth something. I suggest the authorities
scan the pawn shops in the area. 
I certainly hope it is found, and the thief caught. 
The person who's car was broken into should be
punished. Leaving something like that in a car to be
stolen reeks of irresponsibility.
Mike Farmer

--- Axel Emmermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello list,
> 
> unlike that time in 2002 when lunar samples were
> stolen, the thief has not
> yet reached a high enough level of stupidity to
> attempt to offer the stolen
> rocks for sale on our MKA 's "virtual quarry" (
> http://www.minerant.org/vq.html#1963 ).
> Should he do so I will of course notify the
> authorities again... (LOL).
> 
> Could there be a strategy behind these reoccurring
> thefts of lunar rocks?
> Maybe something like: "Hey, if we just let all the
> crooks have a piece of
> moon rock they finally might stop stealing them".
> 
> 
> Best regards
> 
> # 15513 (still orbiting somewhere between Mars and
> Jupiter)
> 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Stolen from Car in
> Virginia
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> 
>
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4360855&nav=23ii
> 
> Lunar Rock Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia Beach
> wavy.com
> January 13, 2006
> 
> Samples of lunar rocks were stolen from a car in
> Virginia Beach Tuesday,
> and police need your help in locating them.
> 
> Police say around 3:24 p.m., they responded to a
> call in the 300 block
> of Garcia Drive.  When they arrived, the victim told
> them a projector,
> and a silver briefcase containing a sample of rare
> lunar rocks had been
> stolen from his car.
> 
> The lunar rocks are entrusted to contracted
> instructors by NASA for
> educational purposes.  They are sealed within two
> clear plastic disks,
> as you see pictured on the right.
> 
> The disks are labeled in the center with the words
> "meteorite samples"
> and "lunar samples."  The samples pose no risk to
> the public.
> 
> Anyone with information regarding this crime is
> encouraged to call
> Virginia Beach Crime Solvers at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Darren Garrison]

On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 19:00:11 +0100, "Axel Emmermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Could there be a strategy behind these reoccurring thefts of lunar rocks?
>Maybe something like: "Hey, if we just let all the crooks have a piece of
>moon rock they finally might stop stealing them".

No, if I had to guess, I'd say that this guy probably had no idea what he was 
stealing (to do so he
would have to have been following and "researching" the NASA dude) and instead 
broke into the car at
random to steal anything, hoping that he'd get something he could sell.  Maybe 
he thought there
would be a computer or an iPod or something in the bag.  I'd bet that the 
samples were thrown away
with disgust before the news later came out as to what they were.  Unless 
somewhere in the area,
someone just got the deal of a lifetime for a couple of grams of meth!
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RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Axel Emmermann]

Hello list,

unlike that time in 2002 when lunar samples were stolen, the thief has not
yet reached a high enough level of stupidity to attempt to offer the stolen
rocks for sale on our MKA 's "virtual quarry" (
http://www.minerant.org/vq.html#1963 ).
Should he do so I will of course notify the authorities again... (LOL).

Could there be a strategy behind these reoccurring thefts of lunar rocks?
Maybe something like: "Hey, if we just let all the crooks have a piece of
moon rock they finally might stop stealing them".


Best regards

# 15513 (still orbiting somewhere between Mars and Jupiter)


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Lunar Rock Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia Beach
wavy.com
January 13, 2006

Samples of lunar rocks were stolen from a car in Virginia Beach Tuesday,
and police need your help in locating them.

Police say around 3:24 p.m., they responded to a call in the 300 block
of Garcia Drive.  When they arrived, the victim told them a projector,
and a silver briefcase containing a sample of rare lunar rocks had been
stolen from his car.

The lunar rocks are entrusted to contracted instructors by NASA for
educational purposes.  They are sealed within two clear plastic disks,
as you see pictured on the right.

The disks are labeled in the center with the words "meteorite samples"
and "lunar samples."  The samples pose no risk to the public.

Anyone with information regarding this crime is encouraged to call
Virginia Beach Crime Solvers at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:48:56 -0500, "Pete Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Likely tossed in a garbage bin somewhere, worthless gravel to the typical 
>pea-brained criminal thinking he scored a laptop.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.  If I were in Virginia Beach, I'd be doing some 
serious dumpster
diving!

I found it odd that they had to add the line "The samples pose no risk to the 
public".  Did the
writer have to have it explained to him that meteorites/lunar samples aren't 
made from friggin'
plutonium, and decided he needed to pass that reassurance along?
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RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car inVirginia

[Jan Bartels]

It's one small step for manone giant leap to Ebay !!
Just a matter of time...if they are stupid enough!!

Greets,
Jan
Holland



From: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in
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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:33:29 -0800 (PST)


http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4360855&nav=23ii

Lunar Rock Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia Beach
wavy.com
January 13, 2006

Samples of lunar rocks were stolen from a car in Virginia Beach Tuesday,
and police need your help in locating them.

Police say around 3:24 p.m., they responded to a call in the 300 block
of Garcia Drive.  When they arrived, the victim told them a projector,
and a silver briefcase containing a sample of rare lunar rocks had been
stolen from his car.

The lunar rocks are entrusted to contracted instructors by NASA for
educational purposes.  They are sealed within two clear plastic disks,
as you see pictured on the right.

The disks are labeled in the center with the words "meteorite samples"
and "lunar samples."  The samples pose no risk to the public.

Anyone with information regarding this crime is encouraged to call
Virginia Beach Crime Solvers at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.

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RE: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia

[Pete Pete]

Idiot!
I wouldn't leave my unclassifieds in my car!

Likely tossed in a garbage bin somewhere, worthless gravel to the typical 
pea-brained criminal thinking he scored a laptop.





From: Ron Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com (Meteorite Mailing List)
Subject: [meteorite-list] Lunar/Meteorite Samples Stolen from Car in 
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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:33:29 -0800 (PST)


http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4360855&nav=23ii

Lunar Rock Samples Stolen from Car in Virginia Beach
wavy.com
January 13, 2006

Samples of lunar rocks were stolen from a car in Virginia Beach Tuesday,
and police need your help in locating them.

Police say around 3:24 p.m., they responded to a call in the 300 block
of Garcia Drive.  When they arrived, the victim told them a projector,
and a silver briefcase containing a sample of rare lunar rocks had been
stolen from his car.

The lunar rocks are entrusted to contracted instructors by NASA for
educational purposes.  They are sealed within two clear plastic disks,
as you see pictured on the right.

The disks are labeled in the center with the words "meteorite samples"
and "lunar samples."  The samples pose no risk to the public.

Anyone with information regarding this crime is encouraged to call
Virginia Beach Crime Solvers at 1-888-LOCK-U-UP.

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Re: [meteorite-list] lunar nwa 2977

[Gerald Flaherty]

Super, will look forward to a microscopic view, as as much information as it 
becomes available.

Jerry
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 


Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] lunar nwa 2977


You are most welcome Gerald. That was our 3rd Lunar, and I want to give a 
head's up, that isn't the end of it. We have more goodies in the works. 
This Lunar meteorite is one of the freshest ever found outside Antarctica, 
and is truly a beauty under the microscope.

Mike Farmer
- Original Message - 
From: "Gerald Flaherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] lunar nwa 2977



Mike and Jim,
I recieved my Lunar Nwa 2977 today and would like to thank you both for 
making such a fine sample available to the collector at such a reasonable 
price.
It will stand proudly with my other small but immeasureable lunars 032, 
482 and Dhofar 908.
Mike all of we "stay at home" collectors owe you a huge debt. One that is 
impossible to measure. Without your daring adventures and worldwide 
connections many of us could only dream about possessing a slice of "THE 
MOON".
I realize that for the officianado, ultra rare meteorites are the piesta 
resistance. Lunars and Martian, though rare in their own right, don't 
stand up to the rarified airs of the purist.
But to we lesser sophisticated, the MOON retains an alure that will 
always transport us beyond our parochial boundries, so close yet s 
far.
So thanks again. You and Jim stand as pillars in the community for 
reputability and fair play.

Jerry Flaherty

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