Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising. When in Rome!
Hi List, This is the first time I have chimed in on one of these rants but here goes: The biggest mistake was not the photo! Heck, tourists love fake stage coach hold ups staged all over Arizona. They even have one in Knot's Berry Farm in California. The photo was just for fun. The mistake that flipped switches was the stereo type insult to gun owners/users. That was a Bad Post and should be apologized for! Martin joined in, prior to the slam, in a light hearted observation of the photo situation and I felt the post that started all this was a slam to him as well. I have cut and polished meteorites with Martin. During those visits we have occasionally practiced with guns. I must say that as meticulous as he is with meteorite matters he is with guns. With his Glock he is an amazing shot! ( I even suspected professional competition!) Once again, every thing is meticulous with him. Absolute safety!!! I am not typical in any way either. I like assault rifles but then again, I have hundreds and hundreds of acres to shoot them on. I do not hunt. This winter I spent more on 55 gal drums of wheat than on meteorites. We are reestablishing wild turkey in the area and for a time they need a little help. Last week hunters had a cougar up a tree with hounds on my land. I took pictures and made them let it go. (Email me for photos, I'm there with Daisy the old girl hound.) My point is some what an agreement with every one. We have cultural differences so don't condemn and stereo type a culture you are a visitor in!!! I like Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't slam German Octoberfest participants for drinking too much beer! The photo was just giving the many tourists what they want. The condescending, superior sounding email post was poison, and worse, was designed to be! Tom In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:40:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gee...@msn.com writes: I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was just plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Reallywhat a pantload! Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE! I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun safety. I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun. It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard to tell from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had been a bright day glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said, this all has to do with a certain mindset. Period. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising. When in Rome!
G'Day List Well bloody hell, a simple one liner as an aussie joke causing such an uprising is amazing. Well not exactly, with the met list, you plant a seed and a hundred run in with a watering can full of miracle grow to see who can make it grow the fastest. My comment about sidearms was the first thing that came to my mind after many visits to Arizona, either nugget shooting or meteorite hunting. I was amazed at the amount of people wearing sidearms, knowing that our privilege in Australia has been squashed just like the distribution of meteorites in Australia has been squashed. But just on the Arizona aspect, deserts are dangerous, be it wildlife or humans. I could get into a huge rant over all this, but I'm not going to waste the list's time. I would just like to apologize to all on both sides of this discussion. I feel it was all in jest and the pictures being posted of guns were all staged. I think all have the common sense to conduct themselves in a responsible manner. If you take a close look at the image with the young sheila and Geoff Notkin; it was totally staged and definitely not pointed in anyone's direction. Ahh, the way people interpret pictures and movies. So as Mark stated, a white flag. He's right, there's no reason for this. It was a little bit of fun and damn, we all need a little bit of fun these days. So to finish off, I wish everyone coming from all areas of the Earth to Arizona for the Tucson show a fun loving event, lots of bargains and many friends with good memories. Once again, for the 3rd year, I can't get there. Now if anything sucks, that does. Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of starsandsco...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 7:15 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising. When in Rome! Hi List, This is the first time I have chimed in on one of these rants but here goes: The biggest mistake was not the photo! Heck, tourists love fake stage coach hold ups staged all over Arizona. They even have one in Knot's Berry Farm in California. The photo was just for fun. The mistake that flipped switches was the stereo type insult to gun owners/users. That was a Bad Post and should be apologized for! Martin joined in, prior to the slam, in a light hearted observation of the photo situation and I felt the post that started all this was a slam to him as well. I have cut and polished meteorites with Martin. During those visits we have occasionally practiced with guns. I must say that as meticulous as he is with meteorite matters he is with guns. With his Glock he is an amazing shot! ( I even suspected professional competition!) Once again, every thing is meticulous with him. Absolute safety!!! I am not typical in any way either. I like assault rifles but then again, I have hundreds and hundreds of acres to shoot them on. I do not hunt. This winter I spent more on 55 gal drums of wheat than on meteorites. We are reestablishing wild turkey in the area and for a time they need a little help. Last week hunters had a cougar up a tree with hounds on my land. I took pictures and made them let it go. (Email me for photos, I'm there with Daisy the old girl hound.) My point is some what an agreement with every one. We have cultural differences so don't condemn and stereo type a culture you are a visitor in!!! I like Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't slam German Octoberfest participants for drinking too much beer! The photo was just giving the many tourists what they want. The condescending, superior sounding email post was poison, and worse, was designed to be! Tom In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:40:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gee...@msn.com writes: I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was just plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Reallywhat a pantload! Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE! I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun safety. I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun. It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard to tell from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had been a bright day glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said, this all has to do with a certain mindset
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising. When in Rome!
Hi Tom, Well, now I'm really in trouble. I was reading your post thinking about those good old days polishing meteorites under the blue Idaho sky, taking breaks to cover your porch ankle-deep in brass, and I started to laugh. Whatcha laughing about dear? My wife asks. So I started to read your email out loud and she stops me. You did what? You see, up until know, she probably thought that when one spend hours polishing meteorites, one came home smelling like gun powder. Cordite...Chondrite. Anyone could make that mistake. Right? So anyway Tom, I'll have to get down your way again this summer. And I'll bring along a couple new, um, pieces. And thanks. They arrived today. Very nice! Oh, and maybe the List could play word games with guns and meteorite names. Let's see. How about: Rifle, Colorado (Guns ) Rose City Michigan? Gunlock, Utah Sharps, Virginia Smithsonia ( Wesson), Georgia Best, Martin On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:15 PM, starsandsco...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, This is the first time I have chimed in on one of these rants but here goes: The biggest mistake was not the photo! Heck, tourists love fake stage coach hold ups staged all over Arizona. They even have one in Knot's Berry Farm in California. The photo was just for fun. The mistake that flipped switches was the stereo type insult to gun owners/users. That was a Bad Post and should be apologized for! Martin joined in, prior to the slam, in a light hearted observation of the photo situation and I felt the post that started all this was a slam to him as well. I have cut and polished meteorites with Martin. During those visits we have occasionally practiced with guns. I must say that as meticulous as he is with meteorite matters he is with guns. With his Glock he is an amazing shot! ( I even suspected professional competition!) Once again, every thing is meticulous with him. Absolute safety!!! I am not typical in any way either. I like assault rifles but then again, I have hundreds and hundreds of acres to shoot them on. I do not hunt. This winter I spent more on 55 gal drums of wheat than on meteorites. We are reestablishing wild turkey in the area and for a time they need a little help. Last week hunters had a cougar up a tree with hounds on my land. I took pictures and made them let it go. (Email me for photos, I'm there with Daisy the old girl hound.) My point is some what an agreement with every one. We have cultural differences so don't condemn and stereo type a culture you are a visitor in!!! I like Kentucky Bourbon, but I don't slam German Octoberfest participants for drinking too much beer! The photo was just giving the many tourists what they want. The condescending, superior sounding email post was poison, and worse, was designed to be! Tom In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:40:18 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, gee...@msn.com writes: I'm sorry folks, but some of you need to get a life. That photo was just plain fun. The last thing any of those folks in the photo (I only recognized Geoff Notkin) had in mind was to start this. Reallywhat a pantload! Yes, I live in Arizona...yes, you're allowed to carry a weapon in Arizona...yes, I've lived around guns my whole life...yes I own several of themyes, I enjoy shooting them...yes, I understand gun safety rules and I wouldn't point a weapon at anything I didn't intend to shoot, but PLEASE! I don't think the objections to the photo had anything to do with gun safety. I think it had more to do with a mindset that is basically anti-gun. It's as if having a gun in the same photo that has a meteorite in it somehow taints the meteorite and the people in it. PLEASE! It's hard to tell from the photo whether it's a real weapon or not. I wish that it had been a bright day glow green, plastic squirt gun, but you know what, I still think that objections would still have been be raised. Like I said, this all has to do with a certain mindset. Period. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matters Arising. When in Rome!
Funny Martin, I've been hunting at Pistol Hill and Gunsight Pass, hoping to find something so I can put those names to it! And yes, the photo did look funny and I confirmed that it wasn't pointing directly at anybody. Having fun in Tucson, Mark P.S. I hope to meet a lot of you, so please look me up at the IMCA dinner, Birthday Bash and Blood auction. Safe travells to all! - Original Message From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com Oh, and maybe the List could play word games with guns and meteorite names. Let's see. How about: Rifle, Colorado (Guns ) Rose City Michigan? Gunlock, Utah Sharps, Virginia Smithsonia ( Wesson), Georgia Best, Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
