Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Hi List, I was disturbed to find a bunch of malarkey in the way of images produced by Stan. I believe Marcin has a legitimate claim but to watch other dealers try to take advantage is ridiculous. Marcin has seen a huge amount of NWA 869 (Not Official) and owns a piece of NWA 904. He reported earlier yesterday that it is different. Stan is full of hot air. He is just sore because a dealer manufactured classification of NWA 1839 was posted to the List and both NAU and UW are aware of it. That's correct, the latest information posted to the List was not even a working copy, just something put together to compete against NWA 3133 by an amateur, it crossed way over the line. NWA 1839 was reported as weighing about 122 grams to the NomCom and as an L7 yet over 500 grams has been claimed to the List by Stan and at first it he claimed it was paired with NWA 011, explain this. This is all in the archives so check it out yourself. I have no idea why an unofficial stone is being compared to NWA 904. This argument was settled two years ago, NWA 904 is different from NW 787 which is assumed paired to NWA 869. I refuse to recognize NWA 869 because it has never been classified. Do the right thing and send a type specimen in. If somebody wants to provide me with 20 grams of what everybody agrees is NWA 869 I will send it in and have it studied properly, until then it is an unclassified stone. Truthfully Adam - Original Message - From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite. http://img106.exs.cx/img106/764/869and904.jpg one of the slices in that photo is a piece of 904 from the hupes, the other is a piece of 869 from dean. both great hunks of meteorite... wanna guess what one is what? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The one on the left is NWA 904 and right is NWA 869! Or was that the other way around!?!?! ;-) This was hard to decide which one is 869 but photo was small :). Anyway I'm not saying that 904 is different from 969 becouse I have only one slice. But Im sure that this specimen I have is different from any other NWA869 I cut and polish. Look at crust, flat complete surface. How many NWA869 have that surface ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
I think the problem arises from the fact that sellers have sold a lot of stuff under NWA 869. I have a couple of so called NWA 869s, and it's hard to believe they all come from the same fall. However, I can say that NWA 904, at least the slice I got from the Hupes, does NOT look like NWA 869 in any way, nor does the one I got from Steve The Latefallsalesman Arnold. The matrix is different. Most of my NWA 869 look rather greyish on the inside, the NWA 904 has a brown/orange hue. Brecciation is somewhat different as well. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Meteoryt.net Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g The one on the left is NWA 904 and right is NWA 869! Or was that the other way around!?!?! ;-) This was hard to decide which one is 869 but photo was small :). Anyway I'm not saying that 904 is different from 969 becouse I have only one slice. But Im sure that this specimen I have is different from any other NWA869 I cut and polish. Look at crust, flat complete surface. How many NWA869 have that surface ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Ok, I am sick of this. Want some meteorite trade secrets and the inside scoup on some scams? If so dont fall asleap while reading my manuscript here. Adam keeps saying NWA869 is unofficial which is correct but its been classified. Alan rubin classified it twice as L4 and L5, matteo got an 3.8-6 and another french dealer got 3.8. Farmer has it classified. Obviously Paired NWA904 has been classified. There is no meteorite that is like NWA869. Its a very brecciated meteorite. Look at this one for example. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869two.jpg There is another university actually interested in it and is doing a big research project on many kilos. It is easy to recogonize NWA869 (Or whatever you want to call it - NWA869 has taken on the most commonly accepted name I guess because I have been so vocal with promoting hundreds of kilos of it). For the record it will not appear in the bulletin this year (So yes, will remain unofficial for another year so the stupid unofficial arguement can continue to be made) because it is such a varied meteorite that has created so much discussion that Michael Zolonsky asked to get a sample to look at himself. I plan on sending him a good brecciated sample showing 3 different meteorites but I havent been able to contact him for a couple weeks. Scientiest sare very busy nowadays with institutions so underfunded. One can take the fact that scientists dont have time to go through the expensive motions to pair chondrites and then say It is wrong to make pairing judgements knowing full well that it wont get done but that dont disprove the fact that they are the same meteorite. NWA869 will most likely be the biggest strewnfield from the desert and one of the largest chondrite strewnfields in the world. It great that the biggest one had to be such a nice and interesting and varied meteorite. You can wish them different because that would make them worth more but fact is if you paid $1 a gram for one of the paired stones that several dealers are selling as low TKW you have been ripped off - and since every dealer can recogonize NWA869 the dealer knew that he ripped you off. Plain and simple. Wishing wont make it something else anymore than wishing wont make BCCs fake mnoon rock real. And using the lame arguement that no scientists has scientifically paired every single one of 75,000 stones just dont wash. We all know they are the same. I will go further because I am sick of this. What is happening with NWA869 and NWA1109 is nothing short of fraud. And there are 3 or 4 dealers involved. NWA869 is a great meteorite and one can easily take one of the more brecciated ones (With the black inclusions or melt which makes it more interesting) and call it something else. At least one dealer is selling it as his own find. Take a particularly nice one and get it classified and sell it for $1 a gram and argue like the fake moon rock people that they are real. Threaten lawsuits if necessary to scare people. NWA1109 is more interesting. We were all once buying it for upwards of $20 a gram in morocco once and everybody thought it was an howardite. (Although I have a kilo piece now that I would part with foor $7500) The diogenite levels has to be 10% to make it a howardite. Every dealer knows this so whats happening with 3 or 4 dealers (Including some in europe so I am not singling one dealer out here - or even two dealers) is to find a piece with more than 10% diogenite material and get that classified and then the whole stone is a howardite worth $75 a gram instead of $15. You only need a half square inch of material with 10% diopgenite material to get the entire stone officially in the met bulletin as a howardite. NWA1109 is a great meteorite and a whole host of dealers are taking obviously paired stones and finding a piece with 10% diogenite material and then getting the howardite classification. Paired NWA1644 (Classified by MIT as a polymict eucrite because the sample that I gave them only had 6% diogenite material) had a customer send his piece to a university in germany (He wanted official verification that I was selling a real meteorite as he was very sceptical that I was selling a meteorite) and came back howardite because that sample that he gav eto the university had the 10% requirement. So NWA1644 has been properly classified as both but it appears in teh bulletin as a eucrite. There are lots of inclusions and weird things in NWA1109 and you could also probably get really exotic classifications if one tried to get really fancy with inclusions - but I dont see large numbers of dealers doing that and the scam is generally to get howardite classifications. NWA1109 could well be an howardite. It is borderline but officially a eucrite. Remember something important here. The nomads work in groups and when the try and sell to people like me, farmer and everybody else they basically usually pull a scam. They split up the fall and offer me 50 grams, farmer 50 grams, the hupes 50
RE: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Dean, most of us know the practices of the dealers and the nomads, I think. There is no way to correct the problem, though. Those collecting NWAs will have to live with it. On the other hand, we get nice material for a low price. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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--- Bernhard \Rendelius\ Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean, most of us know the practices of the dealers and the nomads, I think. There is no way to correct the problem, though. Those collecting NWAs will have to live with it. On the other hand, we get nice material for a low price. I agree with you on that one. I believe that we are getting stuff at a price below what a normal market condition would be. And the deliberate faking and clouding of TKW is making it better for collectors - especially on the rare stuff. For example, Lets say that some rare meteorite genuinely only has 90 grams TKW and should be worth $200 a gram. I am taking this potential Faking TKW discount into effect in what I am willing to pay and then I sell it at a markup from what I bought it at meaning that the collector gets a rare meteorite at a fraction of what it should sell for. Cheers DEAN __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Dean, GREAT post - thanks for saying the obvious! I didn't feel it was my place to step into a NWA debate to state the obvious, myself, as, due to my health, I have NEVER gone there. I noted with great interest the LACK of response to your post! Well, now doesn't that speak volumes?! It is refreshing to hear just the plane TRUTH stated free of the quacking of the ducks. Best wishes, Michael on 11/24/04 7:29 AM, dean bessey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I am sick of this. Want some meteorite trade secrets and the inside scoup on some scams? If so dont fall asleap while reading my manuscript here. Adam keeps saying NWA869 is unofficial which is correct but its been classified. Alan rubin classified it twice as L4 and L5, matteo got an 3.8-6 and another french dealer got 3.8. Farmer has it classified. Obviously Paired NWA904 has been classified. There is no meteorite that is like NWA869. Its a very brecciated meteorite. Look at this one for example. http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/nwa869two.jpg There is another university actually interested in it and is doing a big research project on many kilos. It is easy to recogonize NWA869 (Or whatever you want to call it - NWA869 has taken on the most commonly accepted name I guess because I have been so vocal with promoting hundreds of kilos of it). For the record it will not appear in the bulletin this year (So yes, will remain unofficial for another year so the stupid unofficial arguement can continue to be made) because it is such a varied meteorite that has created so much discussion that Michael Zolonsky asked to get a sample to look at himself. I plan on sending him a good brecciated sample showing 3 different meteorites but I havent been able to contact him for a couple weeks. Scientiest sare very busy nowadays with institutions so underfunded. One can take the fact that scientists dont have time to go through the expensive motions to pair chondrites and then say It is wrong to make pairing judgements knowing full well that it wont get done but that dont disprove the fact that they are the same meteorite. NWA869 will most likely be the biggest strewnfield from the desert and one of the largest chondrite strewnfields in the world. It great that the biggest one had to be such a nice and interesting and varied meteorite. You can wish them different because that would make them worth more but fact is if you paid $1 a gram for one of the paired stones that several dealers are selling as low TKW you have been ripped off - and since every dealer can recogonize NWA869 the dealer knew that he ripped you off. Plain and simple. Wishing wont make it something else anymore than wishing wont make BCCs fake mnoon rock real. And using the lame arguement that no scientists has scientifically paired every single one of 75,000 stones just dont wash. We all know they are the same. I will go further because I am sick of this. What is happening with NWA869 and NWA1109 is nothing short of fraud. And there are 3 or 4 dealers involved. NWA869 is a great meteorite and one can easily take one of the more brecciated ones (With the black inclusions or melt which makes it more interesting) and call it something else. At least one dealer is selling it as his own find. Take a particularly nice one and get it classified and sell it for $1 a gram and argue like the fake moon rock people that they are real. Threaten lawsuits if necessary to scare people. NWA1109 is more interesting. We were all once buying it for upwards of $20 a gram in morocco once and everybody thought it was an howardite. (Although I have a kilo piece now that I would part with foor $7500) The diogenite levels has to be 10% to make it a howardite. Every dealer knows this so whats happening with 3 or 4 dealers (Including some in europe so I am not singling one dealer out here - or even two dealers) is to find a piece with more than 10% diogenite material and get that classified and then the whole stone is a howardite worth $75 a gram instead of $15. You only need a half square inch of material with 10% diopgenite material to get the entire stone officially in the met bulletin as a howardite. NWA1109 is a great meteorite and a whole host of dealers are taking obviously paired stones and finding a piece with 10% diogenite material and then getting the howardite classification. Paired NWA1644 (Classified by MIT as a polymict eucrite because the sample that I gave them only had 6% diogenite material) had a customer send his piece to a university in germany (He wanted official verification that I was selling a real meteorite as he was very sceptical that I was selling a meteorite) and came back howardite because that sample that he gav eto the university had the 10% requirement. So NWA1644 has been properly classified as both but it appears in teh bulletin as a eucrite. There are lots of
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Stan is full of hot air. He is just sore because a dealer manufactured classification of NWA 1839 was posted to the List and both NAU and UW are aware of it. That's correct, the latest information posted to the List was not even a working copy, just something put together to compete against NWA 3133 by an amateur, it crossed way over the line. NWA 1839 was reported as weighing about 122 grams to the NomCom and as an L7 yet over 500 grams has been claimed to the List by Stan and at first it he claimed it was paired with NWA 011, explain this. This is all in the archives so check it out yourself. the TRUTH about the pairing of nwa nwa 1839 and 3133 - go to: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~glg100-p/Meteorite.html this is the offical Northern Arizona University web page maintianed by Dr Bunch and Dr Wittke scroll down to the bottom of the page where a summary of meteorite classifications is located click on 'primitive achonderites' scroll down to the middle of the page where the heading 'primitive ungrouped achonderites' is seen. you will SPECIFICALLY see where the fine researchers at NAU are publically calling NWA 3133 and 1839 THE SAME METEORITE. dispute that Adam - unless you want to say that Dr. Bunch and Dr. Whittke dont know what they are tlaking about you have no ground to stand on. to anyone that is curious about this issue - LOOK at the archives. I never once said that nwa 1839 and nwa 011 were paired. i described nwa 1839 by saying it was 'as cool as nwa 011' unless the nomcom recently changed the verbage associated with pairings, saying something is as cool as another meorite is NOT the same as saying they are paired. what is the big deal here? well look at ebay auctions - adam is trying to sell nwa 3133 for 400$ a gram iirc - I'd more than happily sell the small pieces of nwa 1839 I have for 100$ a gram i owunder why he is so unhappy about a pairing determination between the two nwa's __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Stan, Have you had your materiel tested? Go back and talk to NAU about the pairing status of NWA 1839 and NWA 3133. It is still up in air regardless of what was put on the web-site because testing has not yet proved a pairing. There are some differences between the two so more testing is needed. Why was a fabricated classification posted to the List in regards to NWA 1839? Maybe you should ask Dr. Bunch about this, as well and report back to us. Adam - Original Message - From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Stan is full of hot air. He is just sore because a dealer manufactured classification of NWA 1839 was posted to the List and both NAU and UW are aware of it. That's correct, the latest information posted to the List was not even a working copy, just something put together to compete against NWA 3133 by an amateur, it crossed way over the line. NWA 1839 was reported as weighing about 122 grams to the NomCom and as an L7 yet over 500 grams has been claimed to the List by Stan and at first it he claimed it was paired with NWA 011, explain this. This is all in the archives so check it out yourself. the TRUTH about the pairing of nwa nwa 1839 and 3133 - go to: http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~glg100-p/Meteorite.html this is the offical Northern Arizona University web page maintianed by Dr Bunch and Dr Wittke scroll down to the bottom of the page where a summary of meteorite classifications is located click on 'primitive achonderites' scroll down to the middle of the page where the heading 'primitive ungrouped achonderites' is seen. you will SPECIFICALLY see where the fine researchers at NAU are publically calling NWA 3133 and 1839 THE SAME METEORITE. dispute that Adam - unless you want to say that Dr. Bunch and Dr. Whittke dont know what they are tlaking about you have no ground to stand on. to anyone that is curious about this issue - LOOK at the archives. I never once said that nwa 1839 and nwa 011 were paired. i described nwa 1839 by saying it was 'as cool as nwa 011' unless the nomcom recently changed the verbage associated with pairings, saying something is as cool as another meorite is NOT the same as saying they are paired. what is the big deal here? well look at ebay auctions - adam is trying to sell nwa 3133 for 400$ a gram iirc - I'd more than happily sell the small pieces of nwa 1839 I have for 100$ a gram i owunder why he is so unhappy about a pairing determination between the two nwa's __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Have you had your materiel tested? yes, the material i am offering currently IS nwa 1839 part of the original mass that was studied by NAU Go back and talk to NAU about the pairing status of NWA 1839 and NWA 3133. I dont need to talk to the researchers again - they are publically saying that nwa 3133 and 1839 are paired. thats good enough for me. It is still up in air regardless of what was put on the web-site because testing has not yet proved a pairing. There are some differences between the two so more testing is needed. so what you are saying is NAU didnt know what they were doing when they made statements on their web site a week or so ago that said nwa 3133 and 1839 are paired? Why was a fabricated classification posted to the List in regards to NWA 1839? Maybe you should ask Dr. Bunch about this, as well and report back to us. funny you should mention that adam, i DID email Dr. Bunch and in short his reply does NOT confirm your claims. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Stan, If you have something official please present it for consideration. The official weight of NWA 1839 is 122 grams. Regardless of what a Moroccan may tell you about additional stones, something of this magnitude has to be tested. If more weight is being claimed for NWA 1839 it should be tested and claimed in a NomCom approved way. Do not forget that there are other laboratories working on this besides NAU that have not weighed in the issue yet. I have seen nothing official in regards to a NWA 1839/3133 pairing. I have also never seen an updated classification submission. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a NWA 1839 specimen. With out the facts I make no assumptions regarding pairings. If in doubt, have it checked out. Adam - Original Message - From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Have you had your materiel tested? yes, the material i am offering currently IS nwa 1839 part of the original mass that was studied by NAU Go back and talk to NAU about the pairing status of NWA 1839 and NWA 3133. I dont need to talk to the researchers again - they are publically saying that nwa 3133 and 1839 are paired. thats good enough for me. It is still up in air regardless of what was put on the web-site because testing has not yet proved a pairing. There are some differences between the two so more testing is needed. so what you are saying is NAU didnt know what they were doing when they made statements on their web site a week or so ago that said nwa 3133 and 1839 are paired? Why was a fabricated classification posted to the List in regards to NWA 1839? Maybe you should ask Dr. Bunch about this, as well and report back to us. funny you should mention that adam, i DID email Dr. Bunch and in short his reply does NOT confirm your claims. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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If you have something official please present it for consideration. I dont need to wait till the reclassifcation is published to consider it. NAU is now saying publically that nwa 3133 and 1389 are the same meteorite - that is good enough for me. if you rather wait till after something is published, thats your perogative. The official weight of NWA 1839 is 122 grams. Regardless of what a Moroccan may tell you about additional stones, something of this magnitude has to be tested. ONE MORE TIME FOR THE CHEAP SEATS. the material I am offering at 100$ a gram was cut off of the aproximatly 122g main mass of nwa 1839 by the owner of said stone. it IS nwa 1839. The additional stone i own is in my collection and not a part of this discussion. The only reason why I had mentioend it is because I belive it WILL be classified as the same stuff and I want to provide any potential customers with as much good faith information about TKW as i can. I'm sure no customer out there would comaplin that the TKW for the material was estimated on the high side instead of low when all is said and done. Do not forget that there are other laboratories working on this besides NAU that have not weighed in the issue yet. thats fine, but NAU's deterimination is good enough for me. I have seen nothing official in regards to a NWA 1839/3133 pairing. just because you ahvent seen something doesnt mean it exists (official or otherwise). i have never seen the beetles play a live concert - does that mean that 'yesterday' is a frabrication and not a real hit song? I have also never seen an updated classification submission. As a matter of fact, I have never seen a NWA 1839 specimen. With out the facts I make no assumptions regarding pairings. If in doubt, have it checked out. adam, if you ahvent seen any of these things, i'd say that the ONLY thing that means is that you are NOT qualified to make any statements about any possible pairing between these two numbers. The fine people at NAU HAVE seen the meteorites, I'll take their word for any possible pairing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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h, they are very similar. collection in a slice that must be why I get 15 cents a gram for my 787, and they get 1 $ or more a gram for theirs. Marketing... - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Im confused. Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2288230208rd=1 Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece purchased as NWA787 L6 from Hupes in 06.2002. I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but NEXT slice from this cutted surface with the same pattern and inclusions positions. I recognize this becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I have. So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. Buy hey. Those pairings are s hard to figure out. And since I havent studied a thin section in detail with expensive equipment and 3 PHDs and am solely basing my opinion only on having seen about 1600 kilos of this stuff, I am probably not that qualified to make an opinion on pairing. Your friendly neighbourhood frozen in Canadian DEAN PS: Want more? 15 cents a gram. All that you want. Just paypal to this email address. I will cover the postage. --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: h, they are very similar. collection in a slice that must be why I get 15 cents a gram for my 787, and they get 1 $ or more a gram for theirs. Marketing... - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Im confused. Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2288230208rd=1 Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece purchased as NWA787 L6 from Hupes in 06.2002. I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but NEXT slice from this cutted surface with the same pattern and inclusions positions. I recognize this becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I have. So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Dean, Why would I compare it an unofficial meteorite? NWA 869 is not even a NomCom recognized number. Your right, let somebody more qualified than yourself make pairing judgements. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. Buy hey. Those pairings are s hard to figure out. And since I havent studied a thin section in detail with expensive equipment and 3 PHDs and am solely basing my opinion only on having seen about 1600 kilos of this stuff, I am probably not that qualified to make an opinion on pairing. Your friendly neighbourhood frozen in Canadian DEAN PS: Want more? 15 cents a gram. All that you want. Just paypal to this email address. I will cover the postage. --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: h, they are very similar. collection in a slice that must be why I get 15 cents a gram for my 787, and they get 1 $ or more a gram for theirs. Marketing... - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Im confused. Is NWA 904 L5 paired with NWA787 L6 ? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=2288230208rd=1 Becouse I have 191g slice from THIS endpiece purchased as NWA787 L6 from Hupes in 06.2002. I mean not slice from somewhere on endpiece but NEXT slice from this cutted surface with the same pattern and inclusions positions. I recognize this becouse its one of the best chondrite slices I have. So what it is at least? 904 or 787 ? L5 or L6 ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite. Becouse Adam usualy make more nicest photos and to not saying something without proofs, here it is: http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191a.jpg This 3 red big inclusions comes from center to bottom is the same comes from top to center on Adams NWA904. Also top right corner of my piece is broken, the same as bottom right of Adams NWA904. http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191b.jpg other side and true mirrior polishing :))) Its not the most importand thing that I need to Know now. Im just little curious :)) Also maybe this will help to sell this beautifull endpiece. And no thanks Dean, I dont want NWA869. You just make to big flood of this on ebay to have still a hope for find a client for this meteorite. :))) I better make a profit here and advertise my Beautifull BJURBOLE L/LL4 fresh 105 old Finish Fall http://www.polandmet.com/_bjurbole.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Hi Marcin, The picture of the slice you took sure looks like NWA 904 to me. If it indeed has paperwork stating it is NWA 787, obviously a mistake has been made. Send back the old ID card or scan it and we will provide you with the correct one. We have sold over 10,000 specimens so it possible to make mistakes. The key is to correct them when found. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite. Becouse Adam usualy make more nicest photos and to not saying something without proofs, here it is: http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191a.jpg This 3 red big inclusions comes from center to bottom is the same comes from top to center on Adams NWA904. Also top right corner of my piece is broken, the same as bottom right of Adams NWA904. http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191b.jpg other side and true mirrior polishing :))) Its not the most importand thing that I need to Know now. Im just little curious :)) Also maybe this will help to sell this beautifull endpiece. And no thanks Dean, I dont want NWA869. You just make to big flood of this on ebay to have still a hope for find a client for this meteorite. :))) I better make a profit here and advertise my Beautifull BJURBOLE L/LL4 fresh 105 old Finish Fall http://www.polandmet.com/_bjurbole.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Ouch, Adam thats some sloppy work my friend. Maybe we all need to take a look at the meteorites we bought from you.Who knows what we really got ?? Maybe you should spend more time going over your work than bragging on the list BE - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Hi Marcin, The picture of the slice you took sure looks like NWA 904 to me. If it indeed has paperwork stating it is NWA 787, obviously a mistake has been made. Send back the old ID card or scan it and we will provide you with the correct one. We have sold over 10,000 specimens so it possible to make mistakes. The key is to correct them when found. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite. Becouse Adam usualy make more nicest photos and to not saying something without proofs, here it is: http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191a.jpg This 3 red big inclusions comes from center to bottom is the same comes from top to center on Adams NWA904. Also top right corner of my piece is broken, the same as bottom right of Adams NWA904. http://www.meteoryt.net/ebay/nwa787_191b.jpg other side and true mirrior polishing :))) Its not the most importand thing that I need to Know now. Im just little curious :)) Also maybe this will help to sell this beautifull endpiece. And no thanks Dean, I dont want NWA869. You just make to big flood of this on ebay to have still a hope for find a client for this meteorite. :))) I better make a profit here and advertise my Beautifull BJURBOLE L/LL4 fresh 105 old Finish Fall http://www.polandmet.com/_bjurbole.htm -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of: Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite. http://img106.exs.cx/img106/764/869and904.jpg one of the slices in that photo is a piece of 904 from the hupes, the other is a piece of 869 from dean. both great hunks of meteorite... wanna guess what one is what? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
Guys, I too have seen thousands of kilos of these meteorites. THEY ARE THE SAME! It is also NWA 787. I had the first number, NWA 787, then every time I returned to Morocco, more and more came out, Dean got his classified, Greg and Adam got their classified etc. The classes may vary as this is one of if not the largest known stony meteorite on the planet, and certainly has variation within the mass which can be found in the fragments. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite. http://img106.exs.cx/img106/764/869and904.jpg one of the slices in that photo is a piece of 904 from the hupes, the other is a piece of 869 from dean. both great hunks of meteorite... wanna guess what one is what? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice, MAIN MASS 1, 968g
The one on the left is NWA 904 and right is NWA 869! Or was that the other way around!?!?! ;-) Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au - Original Message - From: stan . To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA904 Meteorite, Collection in a Slice,MAIN MASS 1, 968g Sorta looks like NWA869 to me. far from this Dean. Maybe this is not that big different from NWA869 as my NWA1906 from Mike NWA1906 :-D but this is for sure not the same meteorite. http://img106.exs.cx/img106/764/869and904.jpg one of the slices in that photo is a piece of 904 from the hupes, the other is a piece of 869 from dean. both great hunks of meteorite... wanna guess what one is what? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
