Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites?
He hasn't found any meteorites yet. The reason I say yet is that I know Keith well enough that he will keep at it until he' successful. He has found buried pipes and other objects of interest that show the potential of GPR. The object doesn't have to be metallic to show up on the screen, but iron objects would certainly give off a better signal. Keith's machine is very similar to the one used by the FBI and other investigative agencies to look for buried bodies. It is amazing to see the soil disturbance patterns that are present after a hold has been dug and refilled. My guess is that once Keith gets him health issues addressed so he can focus on his ideas, he'll be finding meteorites that other people only dream about finding. Best, John Gwilliam At 10:33 PM 4/11/2005, Graham Christensen wrote: Cool, do you know if he's had any luck? ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites? Maria, One of our list members, Keith Vazquez, has been using GPR for many years and has used it to try and locate meteorites. Keith is currently recovering from some surgery and might be off his oats for a while but I'm sure he'd be happy to post some info and stories to the list. Best, John Gwilliam At 05:33 AM 4/11/2005, Maria Haas wrote: I have lightly discussed with another listmember about using GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar). Perhaps someone could offer some info on how beneficial that is in the field. Kind Regards, Maria __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites?
Frankly, I don't know what it was but it definitely wasn't a meteorite (or magnetite). I save most of my really good looking wrongs to remind me not to pick them up again. I have tried dragging one magnet from each hip and unless you walk in absolutely straight lines and bend over perfectly straight, you end up dragging one magnetic mess that snags every piece of loose dead foliage you encounter. Also, there are small risks dragging even one. Do you know what being clotheslined is? It's where you don't see a wire, string, or similar something that is strung about neck high. You walk into it (or drive a dirt bike through it...different story) and it kind of trips you from your head instead of your feet. Sometimes the magnet you drag catches little branches and weeds and it's not a big deal. One day I was walking along and the top half of my body was violently pulled back - just like I was clotheslined. I was not hurt but I was reeeally surprised. When I turned around and saw what my magnet was attached to I thought I was just really wound up in a little branch. I pulled and pulled. I had been clotheslined by a lone piece of fence sticking up in the middle of a field! I got a good laugh out of it and had others been watching, they would have too. Anyway, I'm kinda past how stupid I look in my quest. This year one of my farmers is letting me put magnets on strings to drag behind his plow. He has never spent much time clearing his land of rocks so this may be interesting. Now while we may just pick up all those tractor parts he's lost over the years, we may also hit a jackpot. Maria From: Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites? Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 22:56:07 -0600 What was it that you found? Magnetite? That stuff frustrates me. I once found a piece of farly fine grained rock that stuck to a magnet and even looked like it had flowlines...but it turned out that it was dark all throughout and it had crystals. I might give up on the metal detector and start going places where I can just walk fast and keep my eyes on the ground. I never seem to find anything of interest with the detector and it takes me so long to cover even a small area thoroughly. I'll have to try that string dragging idea. I know you can get really powerful neodymium magnets on E-bay. If I tied a bunch of them to my belt loops as I walked that should easily pick up small pieces, although I'm sure I'd look like a total goof! Happy hunting! Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites? Dear Graham, Unfortunately, I am unable to swing a detector right now and haven't been able to for some time. All of my hunting is done by sight and I do have a telescoping magnet on a stick (thanks to Mark Bostick) and hard drive magnets on a string that I drag behind me as I walk. I think I'd be pretty frustrated if I dug for five minutes to reach a piece of scrap metal but I sure can't wait for the chance! About a month ago while I was out hunting I came across this curious little 63 gram stone slightly sticking out of the ground. When I got my trusty magnet near it it went click and my heart jumped. I had been taking artifact pictures and GPS coordinates all day so as luck would have it, I now only had two good batteries with me. I had to abandon an in situ picture but was able to get GPS coordinates before that died as well. I was at the backside of 500 acres so I stuck it in my pocket and pointed myself home. I must have taken 20 pictures of it on and off the scale before I headed twards the saw to window it. I pulled it back from the blade and had to remind myself about someday. Someday it'll be real and I'll be doing the chicken dance all over my basement. I have lightly discussed with another listmember about using GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar). Perhaps someone could offer some info on how beneficial that is in the field. Kind Regards, Maria From: Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detect meteorites? Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:07:27 -0600 Are you using a metal detector or just visual? I do both. I use a metal detector but at the same time I have a magnet on a short flexable stick on my belt so that if I see anything on the surface I can probe at it quickly and then return to sweeping with the detector. I hate it when the detector goes off and I dig for 5 minutes
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detect meteorites?
Dear Graham, Unfortunately, I am unable to swing a detector right now and haven't been able to for some time. All of my hunting is done by sight and I do have a telescoping magnet on a stick (thanks to Mark Bostick) and hard drive magnets on a string that I drag behind me as I walk. I think I'd be pretty frustrated if I dug for five minutes to reach a piece of scrap metal but I sure can't wait for the chance! About a month ago while I was out hunting I came across this curious little 63 gram stone slightly sticking out of the ground. When I got my trusty magnet near it it went click and my heart jumped. I had been taking artifact pictures and GPS coordinates all day so as luck would have it, I now only had two good batteries with me. I had to abandon an in situ picture but was able to get GPS coordinates before that died as well. I was at the backside of 500 acres so I stuck it in my pocket and pointed myself home. I must have taken 20 pictures of it on and off the scale before I headed twards the saw to window it. I pulled it back from the blade and had to remind myself about someday. Someday it'll be real and I'll be doing the chicken dance all over my basement. I have lightly discussed with another listmember about using GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar). Perhaps someone could offer some info on how beneficial that is in the field. Kind Regards, Maria From: Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detect meteorites? Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:07:27 -0600 Are you using a metal detector or just visual? I do both. I use a metal detector but at the same time I have a magnet on a short flexable stick on my belt so that if I see anything on the surface I can probe at it quickly and then return to sweeping with the detector. I hate it when the detector goes off and I dig for 5 minutes to find a pipe or something. I wonder if it's possible to use microwaves to detect meteorites? Conductive metal will backscatter microwaves and can be detected by an appropriate instrument (this is how radar works). Perhaps it's possible to send a beam of microwaves into the ground over a large area and see what comes back. If you use a fairly short wavelength you might be able to resolve images of what's under the ground. Short wavelength microwaves would probably be needed to detect a chondrite because long wavelengths would probably not couple to the metal very well and be reflected. An iron however should show up quite easily. The only problem with short wavelengths is that they are absorbed pretty quickly by water so they would have trouble penetrating wet ground. It would work great in a sandy desert though I'm sure. Just a thought Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Graham Christensen Wrote: btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham Maria Sheepishly Adds: I am so desperate to find something walking fields every single day looking for meteorites that I have started to fill my rock bag with scrap pieces of metal, miscellaneous junk, gum wrappers, fast food containers and the occasional bolt, screw and nail. While I may not be ridding the world of those pesky meteorites laying everywhere, I am providing some job security to our garbage collection service employees. (Of course I look the metal stuff over really carefully one more time just in case space rocks could actually weather to look like one of those rusted old metal pop lids.) Sick. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detect meteorites?
Maria, One of our list members, Keith Vazquez, has been using GPR for many years and has used it to try and locate meteorites. Keith is currently recovering from some surgery and might be off his oats for a while but I'm sure he'd be happy to post some info and stories to the list. Best, John Gwilliam At 05:33 AM 4/11/2005, Maria Haas wrote: I have lightly discussed with another listmember about using GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar). Perhaps someone could offer some info on how beneficial that is in the field. Kind Regards, Maria __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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What was it that you found? Magnetite? That stuff frustrates me. I once found a piece of farly fine grained rock that stuck to a magnet and even looked like it had flowlines...but it turned out that it was dark all throughout and it had crystals. I might give up on the metal detector and start going places where I can just walk fast and keep my eyes on the ground. I never seem to find anything of interest with the detector and it takes me so long to cover even a small area thoroughly. I'll have to try that string dragging idea. I know you can get really powerful neodymium magnets on E-bay. If I tied a bunch of them to my belt loops as I walked that should easily pick up small pieces, although I'm sure I'd look like a total goof! Happy hunting! Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites? Dear Graham, Unfortunately, I am unable to swing a detector right now and haven't been able to for some time. All of my hunting is done by sight and I do have a telescoping magnet on a stick (thanks to Mark Bostick) and hard drive magnets on a string that I drag behind me as I walk. I think I'd be pretty frustrated if I dug for five minutes to reach a piece of scrap metal but I sure can't wait for the chance! About a month ago while I was out hunting I came across this curious little 63 gram stone slightly sticking out of the ground. When I got my trusty magnet near it it went click and my heart jumped. I had been taking artifact pictures and GPS coordinates all day so as luck would have it, I now only had two good batteries with me. I had to abandon an in situ picture but was able to get GPS coordinates before that died as well. I was at the backside of 500 acres so I stuck it in my pocket and pointed myself home. I must have taken 20 pictures of it on and off the scale before I headed twards the saw to window it. I pulled it back from the blade and had to remind myself about someday. Someday it'll be real and I'll be doing the chicken dance all over my basement. I have lightly discussed with another listmember about using GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar). Perhaps someone could offer some info on how beneficial that is in the field. Kind Regards, Maria From: Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED],Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detect meteorites? Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:07:27 -0600 Are you using a metal detector or just visual? I do both. I use a metal detector but at the same time I have a magnet on a short flexable stick on my belt so that if I see anything on the surface I can probe at it quickly and then return to sweeping with the detector. I hate it when the detector goes off and I dig for 5 minutes to find a pipe or something. I wonder if it's possible to use microwaves to detect meteorites? Conductive metal will backscatter microwaves and can be detected by an appropriate instrument (this is how radar works). Perhaps it's possible to send a beam of microwaves into the ground over a large area and see what comes back. If you use a fairly short wavelength you might be able to resolve images of what's under the ground. Short wavelength microwaves would probably be needed to detect a chondrite because long wavelengths would probably not couple to the metal very well and be reflected. An iron however should show up quite easily. The only problem with short wavelengths is that they are absorbed pretty quickly by water so they would have trouble penetrating wet ground. It would work great in a sandy desert though I'm sure. Just a thought Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Graham Christensen Wrote: btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham Maria Sheepishly Adds: I am so desperate to find something walking fields every single day looking for meteorites that I have started to fill my rock bag with scrap pieces of metal, miscellaneous junk, gum wrappers, fast food containers and the occasional bolt, screw and nail. While I may not be ridding the world of those pesky meteorites laying everywhere, I am providing some job security to our garbage collection service employees. (Of course I look the metal stuff over really
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites?
Cool, do you know if he's had any luck? ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detectmeteorites? Maria, One of our list members, Keith Vazquez, has been using GPR for many years and has used it to try and locate meteorites. Keith is currently recovering from some surgery and might be off his oats for a while but I'm sure he'd be happy to post some info and stories to the list. Best, John Gwilliam At 05:33 AM 4/11/2005, Maria Haas wrote: I have lightly discussed with another listmember about using GPR (Ground Penetrating Radar). Perhaps someone could offer some info on how beneficial that is in the field. Kind Regards, Maria __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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There are a lot of good people on this list and this is a fascinating hobby with lots of new things to learn all the time but unfortunately some people get fighting and just mess it up for everyone else. I think some people just over react and take things way too seriously. There is no one on this list that I feel any kind of resentment towards and even if I have a disagreement with someone, I learn to put it behind me. I wish others on this list could do the same. I left this list for almost a year and was dissapointed to come back and see the very same people fighting! And definitely, threatening someone is absolutely uncalled for. btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has meteoritepolice as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello all, What do we know here? Jans and I, and others read an email that said Ste was not a member of IMCA anymore effective immediately. Two possibilities: 1. Se quit. (Jans interpretation) 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction) What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows... As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is Se..'s story sent to Jans. What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet. 5 more days, John -- Original message from Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has meteoritepolice as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi John, I, too, received an email from Anne Black, listed as an IMCA post stating Chicago Steve was no longer a member, effective immediately. However, there was no explanation - nothing about his quitting, nothing about his ejection as a disciplinary action - and if so, for violation of what rule(s), etc. I considered this inappropriate (not necessarily such a dismissal, but failure to provide info on rules violation or the like). In fact, without this information, I felt it was so inappropriate as to approach the definition of gossip. I find it quite disturbing for a body considering itself official to conduct itself in such a manor. I wrote Steve, asking if he withdrew from membership or was ejected. Regardless, would he be willing to share with me his reason (if he left) or the reason given him if he was dismissed. I was shocked to hear back from him that some other people contacted me as well, asking the same question and I don't know WHAT is going on. This is the first I have heard of it (this may not be the exact wording, as it was a phone message and I did not save the recording, but that is the exact content of his verbal response). If Steve is being truthful, (and I have no reason to particularly doub that he is) I am now doubly concerned that this is how business is being conducted by this body and am beginning to have concerns about its organizational credibility, altogether. Again, I am not debating whether or not Chicago Steve violated (a) rule(s) worthy of dismissal - my issue is the process I am witnessing. Are others equally concerned? Best wishes, Michael on 4/10/05 5:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, What do we know here? Jans and I, and others read an email that said Ste was not a member of IMCA anymore effective immediately. Two possibilities: 1. Se quit. (Jans interpretation) 2. Sttte... was canned, dropped, given the boot, fired, dismissed, let go, banished, kicked out, etc. (my initial reaction) What is the truth with the IMCA? Someone knows... As for being threatened with bodily harm by the Meteoritepolice. That is Se..'s story sent to Jans. What is the truth in regards to this threat story? Two people know the truth if there is such a person as Meteoritepolice. And, are we going to believe Sttte...'s story about Big Vito and a set of Campos tied around his ankles. The truth is out there, but I doubt we know it yet. 5 more days, John -- Original message from Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has meteoritepolice as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are others equally concerned?I'm not concerned about it. I don't believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more simpler and just than that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Michael and all, I don't have anything in the IMCA as I am not a member but you have made some good points. One question I have to ask is why there are still some people still members of the IMCA and why Steve was removed. If your going to clean house then it should be done with other questionable members. I don't think someone should be removed from hear say but if you dug deep enough, I think you could find others have violated some of the rules. I don't want to go into details as it doesn't serve any good purpose but perhaps the IMCA needs to post it's by laws for it's members and post the rules, give some fair warnings then expel the people who don't think the rules apply to them. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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1) Stating the rule(s) violated. That would be simpler. Do you trust the US police courts? Generally, I do. However, how would you feel if your wife, cousin, or even the neighbor you don't like were put in prison. No Explanation. Just there was a good reason from the police and/or court? How would you feel if YOU were dragged off to jail - and told, we have a good reason? I am shocked by your response. Sincerely, Michael on 4/10/05 10:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are others equally concerned?I'm not concerned about it. I don't believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more simpler and just than that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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1) Stating the rule(s) violated. That would be simpler. Do you trust the US police courts? Generally, I do. However, how would you feel if your wife, cousin, or even the neighbor you don't like were put in prison. No Explanation. Just there was a good reason from the police and/or court? How would you feel if YOU were dragged off to jail - and told, we have a good reason? I am shocked by your response. Sincerely, Michael on 4/10/05 10:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are others equally concerned?I'm not concerned about it. I don't believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more simpler and just than that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Michael, I appreciate your concerns, but, is it really anyones business on this list as to why somebody was removed from the IMCA? I dont believe the IMCA is in anyway obligated to explain their actions to the list. BE - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! 1) Stating the rule(s) violated. That would be simpler. Do you trust the US police courts? Generally, I do. However, how would you feel if your wife, cousin, or even the neighbor you don't like were put in prison. No Explanation. Just there was a good reason from the police and/or court? How would you feel if YOU were dragged off to jail - and told, we have a good reason? I am shocked by your response. Sincerely, Michael on 4/10/05 10:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/10/2005 1:25:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are others equally concerned?I'm not concerned about it. I don't believe the IMCA would go through the trouble of revoking anyones membership without just cause.Do the rest of the members need to know the reason?If they aren't directly involved, I don't see why.If any member acts in any way to put the IMCA in a bad light, they should be given a warning.If the warning is disregarded, then they should be canned.What could be more simpler and just than that? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You and I do not see things as they are. We see things as we are. -Herb Cohen -- If a million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
In a message dated 4/10/2005 2:01:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you trust the US police courts? Generally, I do. Well, generally, I don't. How would you feel if YOU were dragged off to jail - and told, we have a good reason?It happens all the time, however, I wasn't aware that an IMCA member was dragged off to jail with no reason. I am shocked by your response. There isn't any reason to be shocked by my responses.They are just my point of view, and whether or not anyone else shares my views doesn't bother me at all. There are more important things to lose sleep over than whether or not we should be informed why a member has been canned. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Graham Christensen Wrote: btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham Maria Sheepishly Adds: I am so desperate to find something walking fields every single day looking for meteorites that I have started to fill my rock bag with scrap pieces of metal, miscellaneous junk, gum wrappers, fast food containers and the occasional bolt, screw and nail. While I may not be ridding the world of those pesky meteorites laying everywhere, I am providing some job security to our garbage collection service employees. (Of course I look the metal stuff over really carefully one more time just in case space rocks could actually weather to look like one of those rusted old metal pop lids.) Sick. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Do you also exclude that these threats couldn't be but a red herring made from and to the same person? It has been done before. Very effectively! A deflection technique seen daily in the domestic courts and on certain discussion list and news groups...Hum. Elton Darren Garrison wrote: Judging from the kinds of posts that cropped up on that blog (from people with obvious knowledge of the list, so it wasn't just random passers-by) I have no problem at all believing that some people reading this list, given the shroud of anonymity, would make those kinds of threats. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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To whoever you are, It's nice that we are enlightened of your opinions. Now if you want to carry on a conversation please do us the courtesy of sighing your posts. Dan Wray - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 1:35 PM Subject: SPAM-LOW: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! There isn't any reason to be shocked by my responses.They are just my point of view, and whether or not anyone else shares my views doesn't bother me at all. There are more important things to lose sleep over than whether or not we should be informed why a member has been canned. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! + microwaves to detect meteorites?
Are you using a metal detector or just visual? I do both. I use a metal detector but at the same time I have a magnet on a short flexable stick on my belt so that if I see anything on the surface I can probe at it quickly and then return to sweeping with the detector. I hate it when the detector goes off and I dig for 5 minutes to find a pipe or something. I wonder if it's possible to use microwaves to detect meteorites? Conductive metal will backscatter microwaves and can be detected by an appropriate instrument (this is how radar works). Perhaps it's possible to send a beam of microwaves into the ground over a large area and see what comes back. If you use a fairly short wavelength you might be able to resolve images of what's under the ground. Short wavelength microwaves would probably be needed to detect a chondrite because long wavelengths would probably not couple to the metal very well and be reflected. An iron however should show up quite easily. The only problem with short wavelengths is that they are absorbed pretty quickly by water so they would have trouble penetrating wet ground. It would work great in a sandy desert though I'm sure. Just a thought Graham ~ Graham Christensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/aerolitehunter msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Maria Haas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Graham Christensen Wrote: btw, I went meteorite hunting today for the first time in a couple years! And I found...*drumroll*...scrap metal! Graham Maria Sheepishly Adds: I am so desperate to find something walking fields every single day looking for meteorites that I have started to fill my rock bag with scrap pieces of metal, miscellaneous junk, gum wrappers, fast food containers and the occasional bolt, screw and nail. While I may not be ridding the world of those pesky meteorites laying everywhere, I am providing some job security to our garbage collection service employees. (Of course I look the metal stuff over really carefully one more time just in case space rocks could actually weather to look like one of those rusted old metal pop lids.) Sick. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Dear List and Jan, I agree, threatening somebody physically is going way too far. It is hard for me to believe that somebody from the List or the IMCA would go so far as make these kinds of threats. Sure, there is a lot bickering and posturing going on from time to time but the List seems to be settling down. It has been very pleasant the last few months and members are beginning to share their field experiences and expertise again. Let us hope that the List continues in this direction. I enjoyed the long but entertaining story about the Harper lake aircraft wreck from Robert Verish and the field trip report from Geoff Notkin last night and several other great trip reports. I have been in the mostly kick back and read mode the last couple of months but have gleaned a ton of useful information lately from the List. I hardly use my delete key anymore! Wishing everybody well, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jan Bartels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! Dear List, I just found out what a great hobby we all have. Collecting meteorites, talk about it with so many friends and read all these great messages here on the listfun!! Now i'm not such a wild type of person who wants to be involved with problems or all the nagging going on lately on this list but something has happened that really concerns me. I just read Steve Arnold has left the IMCA. Since i don't have any personal problems with Steve i contacted him and asked him what's going on. It seems someone is threaten him with bodily harm if things will continue the way they are. Someone who has meteoritepolice as his mailing adress is sending this message as it seems. Now this is really getting sick!! If all this is true where is this all going to? So many times i read the rubbish of others on this list and who are just getting away with it,even when they have been told to leave the list and/or the IMCA by so many members and still nothing happens. Now we start to use violence!!??sickreally...sick!! I know Steve has made mistakes. I have seen many others made so many more. For the real oneshappy collecting!! Jan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 16:15:27 -0700, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, threatening somebody physically is going way too far. It is hard for me to believe that somebody from the List or the IMCA would go so far as make these kinds of threats. Judging from the kinds of posts that cropped up on that blog (from people with obvious knowledge of the list, so it wasn't just random passers-by) I have no problem at all believing that some people reading this list, given the shroud of anonymity, would make those kinds of threats. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
Good thought Darren, Sounds like a sound probable explanation. Nitwits with nothing to do with meteorite collecting, time on their hands and IDLE minds[if any] Jerry - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 16:15:27 -0700, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, threatening somebody physically is going way too far. It is hard for me to believe that somebody from the List or the IMCA would go so far as make these kinds of threats. Judging from the kinds of posts that cropped up on that blog (from people with obvious knowledge of the list, so it wasn't just random passers-by) I have no problem at all believing that some people reading this list, given the shroud of anonymity, would make those kinds of threats. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!!
I agree, some people are intolerant of people less than them, I am hated by some for posting to many ebay related things to the list. To hate someone from a non offensive post, kinda weird. I could see hating someone for making a threat or just always ragging on someone, but to be hated because you post to much... Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm http://fstop.proboards24.com/ - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What great hobby!! On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 16:15:27 -0700, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, threatening somebody physically is going way too far. It is hard for me to believe that somebody from the List or the IMCA would go so far as make these kinds of threats. Judging from the kinds of posts that cropped up on that blog (from people with obvious knowledge of the list, so it wasn't just random passers-by) I have no problem at all believing that some people reading this list, given the shroud of anonymity, would make those kinds of threats. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
