Re: [uf-discuss] hRecipe on FoodNetwork.com
At 11:33 AM -0400 10/5/09, Mark Wunsch wrote: You can now view recipes from the likes of Food Network Kitchens, Alton Brown, Bobby Flay, Giada De Laurentiis, Paula Deen, Rachael Ray, Mario Batali, Emeril Lagasse, and more in a wonderful machine-readable form. This is awesome news, Mark-- thank you for all your work in deploying it! Plus anything that involves Alton Brown is automatically cool in my book. -- Eric A. Meyer (e...@meyerweb.com) http://meyerweb.com/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Unjust banning of Andy Mabbett
At 4:45 PM -0500 3/8/08, Manu Sporny wrote: With respect, I have no idea how Drew McLellan, Eric A. Meyer, and Dan Cederholm became admins. Is there a secret handshake? Were they voted into the position? How are these things done? Sorry, I missed this bit until just now. I can only speak for myself. As I understand it, I was invited to be an admin because I co-authored XFN; did early supporting work in developing the general principles of microformats; and have a lot of experience in e-mail list administration. There was no handshake so far as I recall, unless you count the ones that take place between e-mail and IM servers. (Do communication protocols even use handshakes any more?) I don't think anyone's ever been voted into the position of anything in the microformats community, because it's really not a process-driven kind of place. There's no process for approving new microformats, for example, so it doesn't much surprise me that there's no hard process for things like appointing list administrators. Heck, back in the days of creating XFN, our only process was that we looked at established usage patterns to derive values, pared down our list of possible values fairly ruthlessly, and didn't include anything that didn't get a unanimous approval of the three of us. And then we wrote it up. That was it. -- Eric A. Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://meyerweb.com/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Re: Need for plain-language intros for each microformat
At 11:12 PM +0100 9/5/07, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Scott Reynen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes or 2) leave the specs where they are and create new -intro pages. I've seen [...] no one object to #2. Then you haven't been paying full attention. For those of us who indeed haven't been paying full attention to this particular thread (guilty), a citation or three regarding objections to #2 would be greatly helpful. -- Eric A. Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Principal, Complex Spiral Consulting http://complexspiral.com/ CSS: The Definitive Guide, CSS2.0 Programmer's Reference, Eric Meyer on CSS, and morehttp://meyerweb.com/eric/books/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [admin] Re: [uf-discuss] inappropriate behaviour (was: Discussion ofpublic domain declaration template usage)
At 12:39 PM -0700 8/5/07, Joe Andrieu wrote: Could you to provide the evidence that was used to conclude that Andy failed to adhere to the be nice guideline /after/ the private warning? You mean besides posting a private message to a public list? Which is neither reasonable nor professional by any reasonable standard of online discourse with which I'm familiar. As other microformats.org administrative issues, it was also apparently handled in a secret meeting in the back room. I reviewed the IRC archive where I know many administrators gather and discuss issues, hoping to find some record of the discussion. However, the only reference to Andy's banning is the ban itself: http://rbach.priv.at/Microformats/IRC/2007-08-02#T165815 Nothing on the wiki. Nothing on the mailing list. Simply a summary judgment by you. By the administrators. Scott was simply the administrator who gave public notice of the action. Interesting, that-- I always thought secret back-room cabals tried to keep evidence of their abuses secret, and that people responsible for shepherding a growing community and doing their best to preserve it were up front about their actions. How I got those two switched around I'll never know. -- Eric A. Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Principal, Complex Spiral Consulting http://complexspiral.com/ CSS: The Definitive Guide, CSS2.0 Programmer's Reference, Eric Meyer on CSS, and morehttp://meyerweb.com/eric/books/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] Re: Getting legal help (was: inappropriate behaviour)
At 10:10 PM -0400 8/2/07, Manu Sporny wrote: It is vital to have people that can challenge the status quo, people such as Andy, involved in a community such as this. I agree that challenges to the status quo can be useful, but it is NOT valuable to have members of community who will challenge it in abusive ways-- any more than it is useful to have members who will defend it in abusive ways. (I'm not saying you are such a person, Manu; just pointing out that the need to be non-abusive extends to everyone, regardless of where they stand on any issue.) His replies reflect reservations that several members of this community choose not to express out of fear of retaliation. To date, the administrators-- of which I could be considered an unofficial member, though I've done next to no administrative work since the list was founded-- have not retaliated. Ever. They act to defend and preserve the community's nature, and do so with great reluctance. Too much reluctance, in my opinion, but that's the nature of this community. Andy does not get banned for challenging the status quo or expressing reservations. Andy gets himself temporarily banned from time to time because he can't seem to bring himself to treat other members of the community with respect and civility, nor to avoid borderline trollish behaviors. I think that's a shame, because much of the time I find myself in at least partial agreement with what (I think) he's trying to say. But if that sounds in any way like a defense of Andy's attitude or criticism of the administrators' actions, it is neither. Nobody has the right to poison discourse and damage the community, no matter what they're trying to say. -- Eric A. Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Principal, Complex Spiral Consulting http://complexspiral.com/ CSS: The Definitive Guide, CSS2.0 Programmer's Reference, Eric Meyer on CSS, and morehttp://meyerweb.com/eric/books/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] Very basic question that is not in the FAQ
At 1:13 PM +0100 6/22/06, Sam Sethi wrote: My take on it is this - Tantek and others started this idea but as it grows up (its 1 years old) it should be handed over to some standards body. Tantek due to his commercial connection with Technorati - IMHO - should divest ownership of Microformats.org to the W3C or some other body. My only concern is that this may kill the speed and agility of MF's just as they gain traction. I have to disagree with the idea of turning this over to a standards body, because I agree with your concern over strangulation. The fastest way to kill microformats is to yoke it with a formalized process like those of the W3C, IETF, etc. The original poster asked who controls microformats and the answer is the microformats community does. Tantek made a number of excellent points during his talk at @media, the audio for which I hope will be available soon. If I may be permitted to attempt a poor summary: * The community collectively determines whether a given microformat is accepted or not, simply by whether a given microformat is accepted into wide use or not. * This works because the goal of a 'standard' (in the de facto sense) is to interoprate with others. If your proposal isn't accepted by others, then it won't interoperate; ergo, an active community acts as its own review process and therefore its own standards body. This is decentralized standardization, which some would argue is the only kind that has any prayer of working over the long haul anyway. It's certainly lead to a great deal more movement and innovation than I've seen in any formalized standards body in the last decade or so. Of course, if a given microformat becomes so widely adopted that it's become a de facto standard, then that is a time when it might be submitted to an external body (W3C, IETF, etc.) for de jure standardization. But that would be done on an individual basis, not for microformats as a whole-- if such a thing were even possible. -- Eric A. Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Principal, Complex Spiral Consulting http://complexspiral.com/ CSS: The Definitive Guide, CSS2.0 Programmer's Reference, Eric Meyer on CSS, and morehttp://meyerweb.com/eric/books/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
[uf-discuss] 12,000 new hCards at Univ. Bath
Hey all, Phil Wilson writes that, thanks to his efforts, the University of Bath's Person Finder now uses hCard. By his estimation, that's 12,000 new hCards. See http://philwilson.org/blog/2005/11/microformats-abused.html for links and a place to leave Phil a comment. -- Eric A. Meyer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Principal, Complex Spiral Consulting http://complexspiral.com/ CSS: The Definitive Guide, CSS2.0 Programmer's Reference, Eric Meyer on CSS, and morehttp://meyerweb.com/eric/books/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
