RE: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat Ltd
How about a courtesy link on the front page of the Web site: If this is not the Microformats you're looking for, perhaps you meant http:// --Bob. This is what Mike Schinkel microformats-discuss@microformats.org said about RE: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat Ltd on 7 Nov 2006 at 15:14 I highly doubt that it will cause real confusion; furthermore, who would be sued? No one owns the microformats name besides the community -- which is why it's a community mark. We really don't have any assets or formal structure, so it would be rather difficult to bring this to court. The registered owner of the domain. It would be a cease-and-desist suit, not necessarily a suit for damages. I wouldn´t contact them. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Messina Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:18 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat Ltd I highly doubt that it will cause real confusion; furthermore, who would be sued? No one owns the microformats name besides the community -- which is why it's a community mark. We really don't have any assets or formal structure, so it would be rather difficult to bring this to court. But that's highly unlikely as it is, since their name is singular. I mean, we could do the right thing and contact them to let them know that we're not looking to encrouch and maybe we'll be rewarded with good karma... Or we could just fuggetaboutit. ;) Chris On 11/7/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that would make it unlikely that they could sue anyone since Anybody can sue anyone for anything and hence eat up lots of lawyer bills. Whether they'd win is another subject. ;) Chris said that it is similar, and if MicroFormat Ltd's lawyer think it *might* confuse (and what lawyer's wouldn't think that when it is the most conservative option and they get to bill them to advise their client of such), they could send a cease and desist letter causing this group some pain. Anyway, either it will or will not happen; remains to be seen if it does. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:57 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] MicroFormat Ltd Hello, They are in an entirely different industries. From my understanding of Trademark law... that would make it unlikely that they could sue anyone since (from the law's point-of-view) there is little chance of confusion between the 2 names (since they are in different industries). (Oh yeah... IANAL. But unless trademarks law has radically changed. I think AL would say something to that effect too.) See ya On 11/7/06, Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we could trademark µformat (greek-letter-mu format) and say that the term microformat is just an expansion / alternate name for it. I don't even know if that would work, IANAL. -Colin On Nov 6, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: Ouch. Sounds like a trademark fight might occur, as commercial entities lawyer's tend to recommend that kind of thing... -Mike Schinkel President; Guides, Inc. http://www.guidesinc.com (404) 474-8948 (404) 276-1276 cell (404) 474-8949 fax skype: mike.schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Messina Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:01 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: [uf-discuss] MicroFormat Ltd Have you guys ever heard of MicroFormat Ltd? Microformat has a long and proud history of involvement in preservation microfilming, and I am wholly delighted that we have been entrusted with this most important and exacting project'. It seems fitting, for some reason, since they're into the preservation of data: http://microformat.co.uk Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat, Ltd.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes there has been no related-guidance prior to this email. As sich I do not appreciate being chastized in a public forum for voilating your choice of how you would like things to be handled when your guidance on how to handle the situation was given in retrospect. This does seem to be a regular occurrence :-( I'm not sure it's my place to point this out, but Andy, didn't you contact MicroFormat, Ltd., on your own? You know I did, because I've already said so, here. Also, I don't see how this applies to your species proposal and that situation. It doesn't. Did you have a point? -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat Ltd
On 11/9/06 12:21 AM, Bob Jonkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a courtesy link on the front page of the Web site: I've created a disambiguation page on the wiki for the term microformat based on some wording that Chris Messina authored. I think this should suffice for now. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformat Tantek ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: Re: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat Ltd
On 11/9/06, Tantek Çelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've created a disambiguation page on the wiki for the term microformat based on some wording that Chris Messina authored. I think this should suffice for now. http://microformats.org/wiki/microformat Looks good and should suffice. Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat, Ltd.
suggest we all calm down Just for the record, I was never no calm about it. I only brought it up as something to be aware of and then several people responded that (in essense) my concerns were invalid, and I was simply replying that I disagreed and felt that it was a potential issue. I'm totally calm about it; I just felt them need to clarify things so as to be lucid about the situation. this list is *not* the place to begin throwing around legal concerns. That feels like a slap at me, so I'm going to slap back. You may feel that way, but there has been no related-guidance prior to this email. As sich I do not appreciate being chastized in a public forum for voilating your choice of how you would like things to be handled when your guidance on how to handle the situation was given in retrospect. Respectfully, -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rohit Khare Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:08 PM To: microformats-discuss@microformats.org Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat, Ltd. The registered owner of the domain Umm, as the owner, I'd like to suggest we all calm down and let things lie. As the actual registrant of the domains microformats.org/com under the auspices of CommerceNet, LLC, I'm sure that any issues of our proper use of it would fall under the rubric of our continued informal support of the microformats community. (We're an independent think tank that grew out of a nonprofit membership consortium in the 90's - for more, check out our website ) But more prosaically, one of the achievements of the cooperative microformats effort is that it *has not* required a lot of 'process' -- and that, even so, this list is *not* the place to begin throwing around legal concerns. This is a public, archived forum, and without reference to the merits of anyone's points made today, this is one of the very few categories of things that I suggest should be addressed directly to me (or Tantek) before escalating to the community. Thanks, Dr. Rohit Khare Director, CommerceNet Labs (Consulting) --- Via BlackBerry ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat, Ltd.
Hey Mike, I don't think that Rohit was talking about you specifically. In fact, I'll take the heat for bringing this up and stoking the embers in the first place. Rohit et al's points stand: this isn't the place to discuss legal matters, nor to conjecture about what might or might not happen. I should have been a bit wiser about bringing it up on the open web; personally I've learned a valuable lesson and am glad to have such competent stewardship guiding the list generally. I'd be happy to see this matter retired for now as there's nothing else of good use that can come from further conjectures. My apologies for bringing this up and causing a stir; now let's get back to the core goal of this list and look at what we can submit for the Web 2.0 Expo...! Chris On 11/8/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: suggest we all calm down Just for the record, I was never no calm about it. I only brought it up as something to be aware of and then several people responded that (in essense) my concerns were invalid, and I was simply replying that I disagreed and felt that it was a potential issue. I'm totally calm about it; I just felt them need to clarify things so as to be lucid about the situation. this list is *not* the place to begin throwing around legal concerns. That feels like a slap at me, so I'm going to slap back. You may feel that way, but there has been no related-guidance prior to this email. As sich I do not appreciate being chastized in a public forum for voilating your choice of how you would like things to be handled when your guidance on how to handle the situation was given in retrospect. Respectfully, -Mike Schinkel http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rohit Khare Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 12:08 PM To: microformats-discuss@microformats.org Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat, Ltd. The registered owner of the domain Umm, as the owner, I'd like to suggest we all calm down and let things lie. As the actual registrant of the domains microformats.org/com under the auspices of CommerceNet, LLC, I'm sure that any issues of our proper use of it would fall under the rubric of our continued informal support of the microformats community. (We're an independent think tank that grew out of a nonprofit membership consortium in the 90's - for more, check out our website ) But more prosaically, one of the achievements of the cooperative microformats effort is that it *has not* required a lot of 'process' -- and that, even so, this list is *not* the place to begin throwing around legal concerns. This is a public, archived forum, and without reference to the merits of anyone's points made today, this is one of the very few categories of things that I suggest should be addressed directly to me (or Tantek) before escalating to the community. Thanks, Dr. Rohit Khare Director, CommerceNet Labs (Consulting) --- Via BlackBerry ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat, Ltd.
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes there has been no related-guidance prior to this email. As sich I do not appreciate being chastized in a public forum for voilating your choice of how you would like things to be handled when your guidance on how to handle the situation was given in retrospect. This does seem to be a regular occurrence :-( -- Andy Mabbett Say NO! to compulsory ID Cards: http://www.no2id.net/ Free Our Data: http://www.freeourdata.org.uk ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
Re: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat, Ltd.
On Nov 8, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes there has been no related-guidance prior to this email. As sich I do not appreciate being chastized in a public forum for voilating your choice of how you would like things to be handled when your guidance on how to handle the situation was given in retrospect. This does seem to be a regular occurrence :-( I'm not sure it's my place to point this out, but Andy, didn't you contact MicroFormat, Ltd., on your own? Also, I don't see how this applies to your species proposal and that situation. -Colin ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
RE: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat Ltd
I highly doubt that it will cause real confusion; furthermore, who would be sued? No one owns the microformats name besides the community -- which is why it's a community mark. We really don't have any assets or formal structure, so it would be rather difficult to bring this to court. The registered owner of the domain. It would be a cease-and-desist suit, not necessarily a suit for damages. I wouldnt contact them. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Messina Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:18 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: [uf-discuss] Re: MicroFormat Ltd I highly doubt that it will cause real confusion; furthermore, who would be sued? No one owns the microformats name besides the community -- which is why it's a community mark. We really don't have any assets or formal structure, so it would be rather difficult to bring this to court. But that's highly unlikely as it is, since their name is singular. I mean, we could do the right thing and contact them to let them know that we're not looking to encrouch and maybe we'll be rewarded with good karma... Or we could just fuggetaboutit. ;) Chris On 11/7/06, Mike Schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that would make it unlikely that they could sue anyone since Anybody can sue anyone for anything and hence eat up lots of lawyer bills. Whether they'd win is another subject. ;) Chris said that it is similar, and if MicroFormat Ltd's lawyer think it *might* confuse (and what lawyer's wouldn't think that when it is the most conservative option and they get to bill them to advise their client of such), they could send a cease and desist letter causing this group some pain. Anyway, either it will or will not happen; remains to be seen if it does. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Iliya Krempeaux Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 12:57 PM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] MicroFormat Ltd Hello, They are in an entirely different industries. From my understanding of Trademark law... that would make it unlikely that they could sue anyone since (from the law's point-of-view) there is little chance of confusion between the 2 names (since they are in different industries). (Oh yeah... IANAL. But unless trademarks law has radically changed. I think AL would say something to that effect too.) See ya On 11/7/06, Colin Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps we could trademark µformat (greek-letter-mu format) and say that the term microformat is just an expansion / alternate name for it. I don't even know if that would work, IANAL. -Colin On Nov 6, 2006, at 3:36 PM, Mike Schinkel wrote: Ouch. Sounds like a trademark fight might occur, as commercial entities lawyer's tend to recommend that kind of thing... -Mike Schinkel President; Guides, Inc. http://www.guidesinc.com (404) 474-8948 (404) 276-1276 cell (404) 474-8949 fax skype: mike.schinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blogs/ http://www.welldesignedurls.org/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/mikeschinkel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Messina Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 1:01 AM To: Microformats Discuss Subject: [uf-discuss] MicroFormat Ltd Have you guys ever heard of MicroFormat Ltd? Microformat has a long and proud history of involvement in preservation microfilming, and I am wholly delighted that we have been entrusted with this most important and exacting project'. It seems fitting, for some reason, since they're into the preservation of data: http://microformat.co.uk Chris -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private -- Charles Iliya Krempeaux, B.Sc. charles @ reptile.ca supercanadian @ gmail.com developer weblog: http://ChangeLog.ca/ ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss ___ microformats-discuss mailing list microformats-discuss@microformats.org http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss -- Chris Messina Citizen Provocateur Open Source Ambassador-at-Large Work: http://citizenagency.com Blog: http://factoryjoe.com/blog Cell: 412 225-1051 Skype: factoryjoe This email is: [ ] bloggable[X] ask first [ ] private ___ microformats-discuss mailing list
