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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-28 Thread Chupaka

I agree, it's silly. Wise decision would be to install ROSv4, which doesn't
see almost any hardware on that new Intel platform ;) No ethernet interfaces
= no problems :D

P.S. We run >5k clients, and it works for them.
25 марта 2011 г. 23:37 пользователь Tristram Cheer <
mikro...@tristramcheer.com> написал:

> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
>
> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it gets
> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
> update
> to ROS 5.0RCxx
>
> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late 11Q2
> or early 11Q3
>
> 2011/3/25 Chupaka 
>
> > What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/24 Butch Evans 
> >
> > > On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> > >
> > >> I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
> > >> Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
> > >>
> > >
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Louis Arsenault

There is a rumor going around that V4 QOS is unstable/unreliable with
cpu above 35% ?
Anyone else comment on that? For this reason I am looking at upgrading
our core to V5.

Every OS sucks. One of my favorite videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d85p7JZXNy8

-Louis

2011/3/25 Ryan Spott :
> At least Mtik labels their stuff with beta, have you ever fought and
> fought with a cisco only to learn that the most recent 'stable'
> software is really not?
>
> All OSes suck. (period)
>
> ryan
>
> 2011/3/25 Tristram Cheer :
>> Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network pushing
>> that much traffic?
>>
>> 2011/3/26 Josh Luthman 
>>
>>> Which RC?
>>> On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>>> > We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
>>> > (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
>>> >
>>> > Travis
>>> > Microserv
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
>>> >> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
>>> >>
>>> >> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
>>> >> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
>>> gets
>>> >> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
>>> update
>>> >> to ROS 5.0RCxx
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
>>> 11Q2
>>> >> or early 11Q3
>>> >>
>>> >> 2011/3/25 Chupaka
>>> >>
>>> >>> What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Подпись:
>>> >>> (добавляется в конце всех исходящих писем)
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2011/3/24 Butch Evans
>>> >>>
>>>  On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>> 
>>> > I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
>>> > Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
>>> >
>>>  I can believe it. :-(
>>> 
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Tristram Cheer

Compare support :)

We'd be quite happy to buy a nice support contract that gave us 24-hour
e-mail response with MT, The amount of time I've spent trying to debug a
fault while I wait for support to look at the RIF.



2011/3/26 Robert Andrews 

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> And that's the difference in price.   Plus the corp jets, seven layers
> of executive staff and long roll out times.   I don't think a comparison
> of Cisco and MT is anywhere in this universe, except as to how they
> actually accomplish the same task with some version of their respective
> firmwares...I'm just worried that MT has lost their focus in doing
> too many things.  Granted ipV6 is a huge step, but maybe nothing else
> should have been attempted at the same time.
>
> On 03/25/2011 04:19 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
> > At least with Cisco I can buy a support contract to confirm bugs and
> issues
> > within hours rather than days like MT
> >
> > 2011/3/26 Ryan Spott 
> >
> >> At least Mtik labels their stuff with beta, have you ever fought and
> >> fought with a cisco only to learn that the most recent 'stable'
> >> software is really not?
> >>
> >> All OSes suck. (period)
> >>
> >> ryan
> >>
> >> 2011/3/25 Tristram Cheer :
> >>> Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network
> >> pushing
> >>> that much traffic?
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/26 Josh Luthman 
> >>>
>  Which RC?
>  On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
> > We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
> > (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
> >
> > Travis
> > Microserv
> >
> >
> > On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
> >> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
> >>
> >> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream
> >> of
> >> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and
> it
>  gets
> >> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told
> to
>  update
> >> to ROS 5.0RCxx
> >>
> >> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until
> late
>  11Q2
> >> or early 11Q3
> >>
> >> 2011/3/25 Chupaka
> >>
> >>> What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Подпись:
> >>> (добавляется в конце всех исходящих писем)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2011/3/24 Butch Evans
> >>>
>  On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> 
> > I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5
> >> betas...
> > Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
> >
>  I can believe it. :-(
> 
> 
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> >> 
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Robert Andrews

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And that's the difference in price.   Plus the corp jets, seven layers
of executive staff and long roll out times.   I don't think a comparison
of Cisco and MT is anywhere in this universe, except as to how they
actually accomplish the same task with some version of their respective
firmwares...I'm just worried that MT has lost their focus in doing
too many things.  Granted ipV6 is a huge step, but maybe nothing else
should have been attempted at the same time.

On 03/25/2011 04:19 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
> At least with Cisco I can buy a support contract to confirm bugs and issues
> within hours rather than days like MT
> 
> 2011/3/26 Ryan Spott 
> 
>> At least Mtik labels their stuff with beta, have you ever fought and
>> fought with a cisco only to learn that the most recent 'stable'
>> software is really not?
>>
>> All OSes suck. (period)
>>
>> ryan
>>
>> 2011/3/25 Tristram Cheer :
>>> Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network
>> pushing
>>> that much traffic?
>>>
>>> 2011/3/26 Josh Luthman 
>>>
 Which RC?
 On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
> We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
> (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
>> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
>>
>> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream
>> of
>> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
 gets
>> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
 update
>> to ROS 5.0RCxx
>>
>> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
 11Q2
>> or early 11Q3
>>
>> 2011/3/25 Chupaka
>>
>>> What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Подпись:
>>> (добавляется в конце всех исходящих писем)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/3/24 Butch Evans
>>>
 On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

> I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5
>> betas...
> Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
>
 I can believe it. :-(


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Tristram Cheer

At least with Cisco I can buy a support contract to confirm bugs and issues
within hours rather than days like MT

2011/3/26 Ryan Spott 

> At least Mtik labels their stuff with beta, have you ever fought and
> fought with a cisco only to learn that the most recent 'stable'
> software is really not?
>
> All OSes suck. (period)
>
> ryan
>
> 2011/3/25 Tristram Cheer :
> > Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network
> pushing
> > that much traffic?
> >
> > 2011/3/26 Josh Luthman 
> >
> >> Which RC?
> >> On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
> >> > We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
> >> > (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
> >> >
> >> > Travis
> >> > Microserv
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
> >> >> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
> >> >>
> >> >> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream
> of
> >> >> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
> >> gets
> >> >> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
> >> update
> >> >> to ROS 5.0RCxx
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
> >> 11Q2
> >> >> or early 11Q3
> >> >>
> >> >> 2011/3/25 Chupaka
> >> >>
> >> >>> What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Подпись:
> >> >>> (добавляется в конце всех исходящих писем)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2011/3/24 Butch Evans
> >> >>>
> >>  On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5
> betas...
> >> > Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
> >> >
> >>  I can believe it. :-(
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Tristram Cheer

It's more the quality of the releases. IPv6 routes were meant to be fixed in
rc11, it's only in rc12 that they are tested fixed but now thats caused
issues with IPv4 BGP even when v6 is disabled.

Add into the mix the fact that MT's changelog aren't worth even being used
at toilet paper and you have the perfect storm for complex interaction
faults.

But then again we are cautious with rolling out to the core, Most of our
gear is running 4.10 and was only upgrade to that in the past 3-4 months
after detailed testing. As a result we dont get hit with random issues
months down the the track and our core has uptimes measured in years and
months (Alot of the core was running 3.30 with 6month + uptimes before the
4.10 upgrade)

On 26 March 2011 13:12, Robert Andrews  wrote:

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> We had problems with standard 802.11g with 10mhz channels to 8 clients,
> strong signals...   rc8,9,10,11..   support wanted us to try rc12, I've
> given up for now...
>
>
>
> On 03/25/2011 04:07 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
> > Ok, yeah I'm just running nstreme at the moment.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Butch Evans Sent: Friday, March 25,
> > 2011 6:04 PM To: Mikrotik discussions Subject: Re: [Mikrotik]
> > 5betaReleaseXX
> > On 03/25/2011 05:46 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
> >> So all I hear is bugs, bugs, bugs... What are these issues? I have a
> >> Smaller AP running 13 clients, PPPOE, RC1. I haven't scene anything
> >> out of the ordinary.
> > Most of the wireless problems revolve around nstreme and the new nv2
> > protocol.
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Ryan Spott

At least Mtik labels their stuff with beta, have you ever fought and
fought with a cisco only to learn that the most recent 'stable'
software is really not?

All OSes suck. (period)

ryan

2011/3/25 Tristram Cheer :
> Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network pushing
> that much traffic?
>
> 2011/3/26 Josh Luthman 
>
>> Which RC?
>> On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>> > We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
>> > (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
>> >
>> > Travis
>> > Microserv
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
>> >> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
>> >>
>> >> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
>> >> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
>> gets
>> >> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
>> update
>> >> to ROS 5.0RCxx
>> >>
>> >> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
>> 11Q2
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>> >> 2011/3/25 Chupaka
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread chris

We are doing 5ghz 20mhz channels running nstreme. So far seems good. I may, 
for the hell of it, upgrade to some newer firmware.


Chris

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:12 PM
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We had problems with standard 802.11g with 10mhz channels to 8 clients,
strong signals...   rc8,9,10,11..   support wanted us to try rc12, I've
given up for now...



On 03/25/2011 04:07 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:

Ok, yeah I'm just running nstreme at the moment.

Chris

-Original Message- From: Butch Evans Sent: Friday, March 25,
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5betaReleaseXX
On 03/25/2011 05:46 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:

So all I hear is bugs, bugs, bugs... What are these issues? I have a
Smaller AP running 13 clients, PPPOE, RC1. I haven't scene anything
out of the ordinary.

Most of the wireless problems revolve around nstreme and the new nv2
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Robert Andrews

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We had problems with standard 802.11g with 10mhz channels to 8 clients,
strong signals...   rc8,9,10,11..   support wanted us to try rc12, I've
given up for now...



On 03/25/2011 04:07 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
> Ok, yeah I'm just running nstreme at the moment.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -Original Message- From: Butch Evans Sent: Friday, March 25,
> 2011 6:04 PM To: Mikrotik discussions Subject: Re: [Mikrotik]
> 5betaReleaseXX
> On 03/25/2011 05:46 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
>> So all I hear is bugs, bugs, bugs... What are these issues? I have a
>> Smaller AP running 13 clients, PPPOE, RC1. I haven't scene anything
>> out of the ordinary.
> Most of the wireless problems revolve around nstreme and the new nv2
> protocol.
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread chris


Ok, yeah I'm just running nstreme at the moment.

Chris

-Original Message- 
From: Butch Evans 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:04 PM 
To: Mikrotik discussions 
Subject: Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX 


On 03/25/2011 05:46 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
So all I hear is bugs, bugs, bugs... What are these issues? I have a 
Smaller AP running 13 clients, PPPOE, RC1. I haven't scene anything 
out of the ordinary.
Most of the wireless problems revolve around nstreme and the new nv2 
protocol.


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Butch Evans


On 03/25/2011 05:46 PM, ch...@htswireless.com wrote:
So all I hear is bugs, bugs, bugs... What are these issues? I have a 
Smaller AP running 13 clients, PPPOE, RC1. I haven't scene anything 
out of the ordinary.
Most of the wireless problems revolve around nstreme and the new nv2 
protocol.


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Butch Evans


On 03/25/2011 05:09 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network pushing
that much traffic?
The 5-RC series is mostly stable.  There are some things (wireless, for 
example) that are not working as well.  The basic routing stuff is 
working well, though.  I have a number of customers running it in 
production without problems.  I won't go so far as to say I'd recommend 
it for everyone, but it does work well for the most part if you stay 
away from wireless and some parts of IPv6.


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread chris

So all I hear is bugs, bugs, bugs... What are these issues? I have a Smaller 
AP running 13 clients, PPPOE, RC1. I haven't scene anything out of the 
ordinary.


Chris

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 4:37 PM
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Then your silly or dont really have a big network.

We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it gets
very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to update
to ROS 5.0RCxx

I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late 11Q2
or early 11Q3

2011/3/25 Chupaka 


What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.


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> On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
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>> I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
>> Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Travis Johnson

No... all of our wireless links are running v4 (because we saw no reason 
to upgrade them). We are running V5 on GigE based routers, and only 
because they are using newer chipsets that required V5.


Travis
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We see most of the problems in the legacy wireless stuff, the routing
part seems to be fine.   They have lost it as far as we are concerned
with respect to wireless...We haven't seen a 5.x that works 1/10th
as well as most of the 4 releases..

I'm guessing you aren't running 800Mb/s on any wireless gear...

On 03/25/2011 03:10 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:

RC9 and RC10

On 3/25/2011 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Which RC?
On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"   wrote:

We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
(biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).

Travis
Microserv


On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

Then your silly or dont really have a big network.

We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it

gets

very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to

update

to ROS 5.0RCxx

I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late

11Q2

or early 11Q3

2011/3/25 Chupaka


What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.


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On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:


I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p


I can believe it. :-(


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Robert Andrews

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We see most of the problems in the legacy wireless stuff, the routing
part seems to be fine.   They have lost it as far as we are concerned
with respect to wireless...We haven't seen a 5.x that works 1/10th
as well as most of the 4 releases..

I'm guessing you aren't running 800Mb/s on any wireless gear...

On 03/25/2011 03:10 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
> RC9 and RC10
> 
> On 3/25/2011 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> Which RC?
>> On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>>> We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
>>> (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
 Then your silly or dont really have a big network.

 We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
 putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
>> gets
 very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
>> update
 to ROS 5.0RCxx

 I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
>> 11Q2
 or early 11Q3

 2011/3/25 Chupaka

> What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.
>
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>> On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>
>>> I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
>>> Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
>>>
>> I can believe it. :-(
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Jon Auer

I don't see a problem with it if you've tested it under load the lab and it 
works for your use. 

Also ROS5 adds chipset and NIC drivers so some platforms won't work on ROS4.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Tristram Cheer  wrote:

> Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network pushing
> that much traffic?
> 
> 2011/3/26 Josh Luthman 
> 
>> Which RC?
>> On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>>> We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
>>> (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
>>> 
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
 Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
 
 We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
 putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
>> gets
 very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
>> update
 to ROS 5.0RCxx
 
 I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
>> 11Q2
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 2011/3/25 Chupaka
 
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Travis Johnson

Because it's not unstable. All routers have been up for over 20 days now 
without a single issue. Working perfectly. Of course, we subscribe to 
the KISS model (keep it simple, stupid). Our routers do basic routing, 
OSPF and a few queues, firewall and NAT rules. Nothing else. :)


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On 3/25/2011 4:09 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network pushing
that much traffic?

2011/3/26 Josh Luthman


Which RC?
On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
(biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).

Travis
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On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

Then your silly or dont really have a big network.

We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it

gets

very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to

update

to ROS 5.0RCxx

I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late

11Q2

or early 11Q3

2011/3/25 Chupaka


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I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Travis Johnson


RC9 and RC10

On 3/25/2011 4:05 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Which RC?
On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
(biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).

Travis
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On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

Then your silly or dont really have a big network.

We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it

gets

very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to

update

to ROS 5.0RCxx

I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late

11Q2

or early 11Q3

2011/3/25 Chupaka


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I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Tristram Cheer

Why on earth would anyone run unstable routing software in a network pushing
that much traffic?

2011/3/26 Josh Luthman 

> Which RC?
> On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
> > We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
> > (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
> >
> > Travis
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> >
> >
> > On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
> >> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
> >>
> >> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
> >> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
> gets
> >> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
> update
> >> to ROS 5.0RCxx
> >>
> >> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
> 11Q2
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Josh Luthman

Which RC?
On Mar 25, 2011 6:04 PM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
> We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers
> (biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).
>
> Travis
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>
> On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:
>> Then your silly or dont really have a big network.
>>
>> We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
>> putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it
gets
>> very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to
update
>> to ROS 5.0RCxx
>>
>> I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late
11Q2
>> or early 11Q3
>>
>> 2011/3/25 Chupaka
>>
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> I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
> Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
>
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2011-03-25 Thread Travis Johnson

We are running it in production on at least 5 of our main routers 
(biggest one is moving 800Mbps of traffic).


Travis
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On 3/25/2011 3:37 PM, Tristram Cheer wrote:

Then your silly or dont really have a big network.

We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
putting ROS 5 into production right now, It's simply too buggy and it gets
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or early 11Q3

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On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:


I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p


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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Tristram Cheer

Then your silly or dont really have a big network.

We run nearly 100 towers with around 1000 clients and wouldn't dream of
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very tiresome every time we report a ROS 4 fault to MT and am told to update
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I'm betting ROS 5.0 isn't stable enough for production use until late 11Q2
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2011/3/25 Chupaka 

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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-25 Thread Chupaka

What do you mean? =) We have v5.0rc4 working in production.


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> On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
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>> I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
>> Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p
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Re: [Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-24 Thread Butch Evans


On 03/24/2011 01:37 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

I just can't believe what problems there are with all the 5 betas...
Not one of the release candidates is work a c...p


I can believe it.  :-(


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[Mikrotik] 5betaReleaseXX

2011-03-24 Thread Robert Andrews

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