Re: [Mikrotik] Survey results so far
I completely understand - with VMs you can use snapshots, so that makes things a little bit better at least! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Josh Luthman wrote: > > > Maybe Fedora + VMWare for "Windows"? =) > > I would consider it, but it requires a Windows server platform. as > little as I like Windows in general, I REALLY don't like Windows > Server. To me, "Windows Server" is a little like a color called > "White Black". ;-) > > -- > > *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * > *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * > *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * > *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * > *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* > *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* > > ___ > Mikrotik mailing list > Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/attachments/20080928/cb17133b/attachment.html
Re: [Mikrotik] Survey results so far
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Josh Luthman wrote: Maybe Fedora + VMWare for "Windows"? =) I would consider it, but it requires a Windows server platform. as little as I like Windows in general, I REALLY don't like Windows Server. To me, "Windows Server" is a little like a color called "White Black". ;-) -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer*
Re: [Mikrotik] Survey results so far
Maybe Fedora + VMWare for "Windows"? =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Richard Hatherill Jr. wrote: > > >The cost of your vendor seems way to high. > > > >Take a look at the product. http://www.netop.com/netop-1229.htm > > That's a windows product. I don't do windows. Not to mention they > don't list their prices, which always makes me hesitant. Either > way, I am not fixed on a final solution. I've tried 3 or 4 and the > one I'm considering (Webex) works pretty well across all platforms > and has all the features I need. > > -- > > *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * > *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * > *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * > *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * > *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* > *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* > > ___ > Mikrotik mailing list > Mikrotik@mail.butchevans.com > http://www.butchevans.com/mailman/listinfo/mikrotik > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/mikrotik/attachments/20080927/7d20021e/attachment.html
Re: [Mikrotik] Survey results so far
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008, Richard Hatherill Jr. wrote: The cost of your vendor seems way to high. Take a look at the product. http://www.netop.com/netop-1229.htm That's a windows product. I don't do windows. Not to mention they don't list their prices, which always makes me hesitant. Either way, I am not fixed on a final solution. I've tried 3 or 4 and the one I'm considering (Webex) works pretty well across all platforms and has all the features I need. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer*
Re: [Mikrotik] Survey results so far
The cost of your vendor seems way to high. Take a look at the product. http://www.netop.com/netop-1229.htm One time investment and your done. Rich Hatherill Cnywireless From: Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 2:24 PM To: MikroTik List Subject: [Mikrotik] Survey results so far I thought I'd post a message to address some of the expressed concerns regarding the online training. Some posted concerns to the mailing lists and those I have already replied to onlist. Because some of you are not on all the available mailing lists, here is the archive of the survey thread regarding the survey question. You can follow the thread here: http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/wisp/2008-September/000216.html As for the results posted to the survey so far, there is (so far) a total of 8 responders. I'll make the results public once I close the survey. Question 3: What concerns would you have regarding an online training venue vs a "live in person" training? The need for live question and answer. (There were 3 other responses that were similar to this one) The webinar software offers 2 options that will address this. There is a live chat available where students will be able to post questions either to the host (that's me) or to the group. Also, in the webinar software, there is a button called "Raise your hand". This allows the host to enable your ability to address a question, which the whole group would hear. * Communicating with other people in the same industry but a different area, network * My plan at this time is to set up either a forum or mailing list (most likely will be a mailing list) for the class. Before the class starts, every attendee will be added to this list. During the course, it will be used as another resource for Q&A. After the course ends, it will be left running so that members of the class can continue to converse if they desire. Bandwidth *** The meeting should work with as little as 56k connection. The stream will not be a very high BW requirement, but will obviously need to stream for the duration of the class. Class sessions will be between 6 and 8 hours per day of streaming material. Live in person stuff keeps me from sleeping. Not sure I can help with that. Perhaps I can include a morning and afternoon "jog in place" session. :-) Question 5: If the cost of an online training were the same as a live training, which would you attend? * I think live training offers more value. The ability to interact and ask questions is valuable. The main draw for me for the online training is the possibility of lower cost since there is little to no cost for the venue. ** Actually, the cost to me is almost double for the online training. The primary benefit to the online training for most attendees is no travel and related expenses. ** 42. * I wonder if the person answering this question with this answer is the same one who seems to have a sleeping problem? :-) Question 8: Please add any other comments you have regarding an online training. The online training I am considering is a live training event held in the form of a webinar. Audio will be delivered via a telephone and video will be within the webinar software. ** If the costs for the webinar are kept low I would absolutely love attending. I am a startup and self funded so every penny is critical. ** This is, unfortunately, the biggest issue that most smaller startups experience. Perhaps we can keep the cost low enough to make sense for you. It is, obviously, in my own best interest to put this in front of as many people as I can. * I would suggest the ability to record and redistribute. * It's there already. The sessions will be recorded automatically and will be made available. I haven't worked out the details, but I think I will be making the sessions available only to the attendees either for no fee or for a small additional fee. I'm awaiting an answer from the vendor with regard to what my actual cost on this part of the service is. * Telephone delivered
[Mikrotik] Survey results so far
I thought I'd post a message to address some of the expressed concerns regarding the online training. Some posted concerns to the mailing lists and those I have already replied to onlist. Because some of you are not on all the available mailing lists, here is the archive of the survey thread regarding the survey question. You can follow the thread here: http://www.butchevans.com/pipermail/wisp/2008-September/000216.html As for the results posted to the survey so far, there is (so far) a total of 8 responders. I'll make the results public once I close the survey. Question 3: What concerns would you have regarding an online training venue vs a "live in person" training? The need for live question and answer. (There were 3 other responses that were similar to this one) The webinar software offers 2 options that will address this. There is a live chat available where students will be able to post questions either to the host (that's me) or to the group. Also, in the webinar software, there is a button called "Raise your hand". This allows the host to enable your ability to address a question, which the whole group would hear. * Communicating with other people in the same industry but a different area, network * My plan at this time is to set up either a forum or mailing list (most likely will be a mailing list) for the class. Before the class starts, every attendee will be added to this list. During the course, it will be used as another resource for Q&A. After the course ends, it will be left running so that members of the class can continue to converse if they desire. Bandwidth *** The meeting should work with as little as 56k connection. The stream will not be a very high BW requirement, but will obviously need to stream for the duration of the class. Class sessions will be between 6 and 8 hours per day of streaming material. Live in person stuff keeps me from sleeping. Not sure I can help with that. Perhaps I can include a morning and afternoon "jog in place" session. :-) Question 5: If the cost of an online training were the same as a live training, which would you attend? * I think live training offers more value. The ability to interact and ask questions is valuable. The main draw for me for the online training is the possibility of lower cost since there is little to no cost for the venue. ** Actually, the cost to me is almost double for the online training. The primary benefit to the online training for most attendees is no travel and related expenses. ** 42. * I wonder if the person answering this question with this answer is the same one who seems to have a sleeping problem? :-) Question 8: Please add any other comments you have regarding an online training. The online training I am considering is a live training event held in the form of a webinar. Audio will be delivered via a telephone and video will be within the webinar software. ** If the costs for the webinar are kept low I would absolutely love attending. I am a startup and self funded so every penny is critical. ** This is, unfortunately, the biggest issue that most smaller startups experience. Perhaps we can keep the cost low enough to make sense for you. It is, obviously, in my own best interest to put this in front of as many people as I can. * I would suggest the ability to record and redistribute. * It's there already. The sessions will be recorded automatically and will be made available. I haven't worked out the details, but I think I will be making the sessions available only to the attendees either for no fee or for a small additional fee. I'm awaiting an answer from the vendor with regard to what my actual cost on this part of the service is. * Telephone delivered audio seams a little weird. I currently only have a cell phone and a lengthy webinar would seriously eat into my minutes. If it required me to make a long distance call (non-toll free) on a landline, then that could also cost additional. These two 'features' would definitely make me *not* want to participate. * T
