Re: Dummy question about .htaccess

[Lars Noodén]

Tom Rosso wrote:
> You may also consider moving the passwd file out of htdocs.  I believe
> this is a security hazard.  Mine is in /var/www/etc.

Basically it should be anywhere except any web-accessible directory.

However, HTTP Basic Authentication is worse than basic FTP.  The
password and username get sent unencrypted for each request.

I see that mod_auth_kerberos is part of the packages available for OpenBSD:
http://www.openbsd.org/4.3_packages/i386/mod_auth_kerb-5.3p1.tgz-long.html

Would combining that with SSL/TLS be what is most recommended here for
serving sensitive data over the web?

Regards
-Lars

Serial ATA RAID ctrl on PCI

[Mikolaj Kucharski]

Hi,

I'm looking SATA controller with h/w RAID support which is working on
OpenBSD and has:

- minimum 4 SATA ports (internal preferably)
- Built-in RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 1+0, RAID 5
- Hot swap (not a must)
- PCI bus
- large drives support (>500GB)
- use as RAID and non-RAID controller (not a must)

-- 
best regards
q#

Re: IBM x3350

[uday]

I don't know about that, but if it doesn't you can install obsd over
vmware esxi and it will work like a charm :)

uday

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Johan Borch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know that there has been a lot of mails about the IBM x-series lately, but
> is it the same problem  with all of them (Adaptec raid)? I couldn't find
> anything about the x3350 on the lists, anyone knows if that one works with
> OpenBSD?
>
> Regards
> Johan

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Re: prob d'affichage minicom sur FreeBSD

[Johan Beisser]

No need to appoligize. If you ask in English I'll do my best to help
you out. I've been using Soekris hardware for a while now.

My french, for what it's worth, is so bad I didn't try too hard to
read yours, so the person who should appoligize is me.

And I was right in guessing that your English is far superior to my French.



On 10/27/08, Philippe DARRACQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dear Johan,
> i would like apologised to you, i am already registered at misc at
> openbsd-france , and i just forget "-france" .
> thank for you advices all the best for OpenBSD  ;-)
> philippe

Re: Dummy question about .htaccess

[Tom Rosso]

Bertrand Janin wrote:

Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote :

I want to restrict the access to my syweb site (web GUI for symon).

# pwd
/var/www/htdocs/syweb
# ls -la
total 228
drwxr-xr-x  3 root  daemon   1024 Oct 27 12:44 .
drwxr-xr-x  3 root  daemon512 Oct 27 12:49 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon131 Oct 27 12:44 .htaccess
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon 69 Oct 27 11:50 .htpasswd
drwxr-xr-x  2 www   daemon512 Apr  2  2008 cache
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   6287 Apr 14  2008 class_cache.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon  10478 Apr 14  2008 class_graph.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   8937 Apr 14  2008 class_layout.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   6193 Apr 14  2008 class_lexer.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3959 Apr 14  2008 class_rrdtool.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   4394 Apr 14  2008 class_session.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2014 Apr 14  2008 class_text.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3591 Apr 14  2008 class_vars.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2414 Apr 14  2008 configtest.php
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2542 Apr 14  2008 graph.php
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon  19177 Apr 14  2008 graph_defaults.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   4873 Apr 14  2008 index.php
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   5318 Apr 14  2008 setup.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon 95 Apr 14  2008 spacer.png
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon976 Apr 14  2008 symon.css
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   1760 Apr 14  2008 symon.png
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3233 Apr 14  2008 tools.inc
# more .htaccess 


AuthUserFile /var/www/htdocs/syweb/.htpasswd
AuthGroupFile /dev/null
AuthName Restricted Access.
AuthType Basic
require valid-user
# more .htpasswd 


Apache is running in a chroot by default so the path you give to
AuthUserFile is incorrect, it should be /htdocs/syweb/.htpasswd

Bertrand



You may also consider moving the passwd file out of htdocs.  I believe 
this is a security hazard.  Mine is in /var/www/etc.


Tom

IBM x3350

[Johan Borch]

Hi,

I know that there has been a lot of mails about the IBM x-series lately, but
is it the same problem  with all of them (Adaptec raid)? I couldn't find
anything about the x3350 on the lists, anyone knows if that one works with
OpenBSD?

Regards
Johan

Re: prob d'affichage minicom sur FreeBSD

[Johan Beisser]

Problem 1: you're asking about FreeBSD on an OpenBSD mailing list.

Problem 2: this list has standardized on English, since that is the
common language for most (if not all) of the developers.

Problem 3: misc@ doesn't really support minicom directly. Someone may
be able to help you anyway, though.

I would suggest trying  cu instead, and also doing an alternate system
install, rather than using the soekris serial port with the FreeBSD
installer. While it should work fine, there are ANSI color codes used
by the installer, which may be throwing off the terminal emulation in
minicom.

Or, you could install OpenBSD on your Soekris...

Jb


On 10/27/08, Philippe DARRACQ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> bonjour tout le monde,
> voila mon problhme, j'ai une machine sous FreeBSD . Dessus j'ai voulu
> installer
> le terminal minicom afin de pouvoir faire une install sur une soekris du
> "poisson qui pique".
> Apparement il a fallu que j'install le paquet lrzsz et gettext.
> dans la config de minicom , j'ai mis 19200 pour les paramhres de connexion
> et pour le port serie c'est /dev/cuad0.
> Mon problhme maintenant, quand je branche ma soekris, au lancement il n'y a
> pas de texte qui apparant ce ne sont que des points ?
> pourriez vous m'aiguiller ` ce sujet ?
> aurais-je commis une erreur quelque part ou des paquets manquants ?
> merci les gars

Re: ftp-proxy and IP alias

[Chris Smith]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Camiel Dobbelaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> rc.local is fine.

Thank you.

Chris

prob d'affichage minicom sur FreeBSD

[Philippe DARRACQ]

bonjour tout le monde,
voila mon problhme, j'ai une machine sous FreeBSD . Dessus j'ai voulu
installer
le terminal minicom afin de pouvoir faire une install sur une soekris du
"poisson qui pique".
Apparement il a fallu que j'install le paquet lrzsz et gettext.
dans la config de minicom , j'ai mis 19200 pour les paramhres de connexion
et pour le port serie c'est /dev/cuad0.
Mon problhme maintenant, quand je branche ma soekris, au lancement il n'y a
pas de texte qui apparant ce ne sont que des points ?
pourriez vous m'aiguiller ` ce sujet ?
aurais-je commis une erreur quelque part ou des paquets manquants ?
merci les gars

NS CS5535 IDE chipset

[Lars Kotthoff]

Hi list,

 I'm running OpenBSD on an HL-463 [1] which has the NS CS5535 IDE chipset.
The kernel says that this chipset doesn't support DMA, although a quick google
search suggests that the same controller with a slightly different vendor
specification supports DMA. It also looks like DMA support for this particular
chipset has been implemented in the Linux and NetBSD kernels. So I was wondering
whether there was any specific reason why it isn't implemented in OpenBSD yet.
Does anyone know?

The complete dmesg line is
pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 "NS CS5535 IDE" rev 0x00: DMA (unsupported), 
channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to compatibility

Thanks,

Lars


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Re: IBM X60 heating up considerably when boot into OpenBSD

[Ted Unangst]

You can still read the man page.

On Oct 27, 2008, at 10:14 AM, "Don Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Pereresus ne Vlezaet Buggy <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 27 October 2008 c. 14:45:04 Amarendra Godbole wrote:

Hello misc@

My IBM (Lenovo) X60 laptop heats up considerably and the battery  
also
discharges faster, when I boot into OpenBSD. This does not seem to  
be

the case when I boot it into Windows XP.

The relevant temperature sysctls are:
hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=73.05 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.acpitz1.temp0=72.05 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=72.00 degC
hw.sensors.aps0.temp0=52.00 degC
hw.sensors.aps0.temp1=52.00 degC

dmesg is put up at http://www.obscure.org/~amunix/tmp/dmesg


I did read about SpeedStep, and slowing down the processor so that  
it

consumes less power - so I am going to try it out by tweaking sysctl
"hw.cpuspeed" and changing it from 1829 to 1000, but I am not sure  
if

this would solve the problem.

Has anyone encountered something similar? If yes, I'd appreciate  
tips

to fix this
(apart from the SpeedStepping stuff -- will post my findings.  
Thanks).


Read apmd(8). I have ~ same actual working times on WinXP and  
OpenBSD.


--
WBR,
   Pereresus ne Vlezaet Buggy

The Thinkpad X60 is acpi only - no apm.

Re: IBM X60 heating up considerably when boot into OpenBSD

[Don Scott]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Pereresus ne Vlezaet Buggy <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 27 October 2008 c. 14:45:04 Amarendra Godbole wrote:
> > Hello misc@
> >
> > My IBM (Lenovo) X60 laptop heats up considerably and the battery also
> > discharges faster, when I boot into OpenBSD. This does not seem to be
> > the case when I boot it into Windows XP.
> >
> > The relevant temperature sysctls are:
> > hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=73.05 degC (zone temperature)
> > hw.sensors.acpitz1.temp0=72.05 degC (zone temperature)
> > hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=72.00 degC
> > hw.sensors.aps0.temp0=52.00 degC
> > hw.sensors.aps0.temp1=52.00 degC
> >
> > dmesg is put up at 
> > http://www.obscure.org/~amunix/tmp/dmesg
> >
> > I did read about SpeedStep, and slowing down the processor so that it
> > consumes less power - so I am going to try it out by tweaking sysctl
> > "hw.cpuspeed" and changing it from 1829 to 1000, but I am not sure if
> > this would solve the problem.
> >
> > Has anyone encountered something similar? If yes, I'd appreciate tips
> > to fix this
> > (apart from the SpeedStepping stuff -- will post my findings. Thanks).
>
> Read apmd(8). I have ~ same actual working times on WinXP and OpenBSD.
>
> --
>  WBR,
> Pereresus ne Vlezaet Buggy
>
> The Thinkpad X60 is acpi only - no apm.

4.4 is Awesome

[new_guy]

Pre-orders are worth the money, save up 50 bucks (that's just 8 dollars and
33 cents a month over 6 months time). I've only been a dedicated user since
4.2 release, but once you go OpenBSD, you can't use anything else. This has
got to be the simplest, most straight-forward, most logical operating system
available today. OpenBSD reminds me of the fun I had on my Dad's C64 back in
1982. Thanks to all the devs who make it possible.
-- 
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4.4 Release Get-Together

[Marc Lagies]

Hello list,

I just wanna announce a little release get-together/supper in 
Berlin/Germany on Nov. 1st at Ming Dynastie [1]. Later that evening it's 
planned to drop by the Ubuntu folks and their release party at C-Base 
[2] (it's in 5 min. walking distance).


If you like to join please drop me a short line, so I can adjust the 
reservation.


Cheers,
Marc

[1] http://www.ming-dynastie.de
[2] http://www.c-base.org/

Re: IBM X60 heating up considerably when boot into OpenBSD

[Pereresus ne Vlezaet Buggy]

On 27 October 2008 c. 14:45:04 Amarendra Godbole wrote:
> Hello misc@
>
> My IBM (Lenovo) X60 laptop heats up considerably and the battery also
> discharges faster, when I boot into OpenBSD. This does not seem to be
> the case when I boot it into Windows XP.
>
> The relevant temperature sysctls are:
> hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=73.05 degC (zone temperature)
> hw.sensors.acpitz1.temp0=72.05 degC (zone temperature)
> hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=72.00 degC
> hw.sensors.aps0.temp0=52.00 degC
> hw.sensors.aps0.temp1=52.00 degC
>
> dmesg is put up at http://www.obscure.org/~amunix/tmp/dmesg
>
> I did read about SpeedStep, and slowing down the processor so that it
> consumes less power - so I am going to try it out by tweaking sysctl
> "hw.cpuspeed" and changing it from 1829 to 1000, but I am not sure if
> this would solve the problem.
>
> Has anyone encountered something similar? If yes, I'd appreciate tips
> to fix this
> (apart from the SpeedStepping stuff -- will post my findings. Thanks).

Read apmd(8). I have ~ same actual working times on WinXP and OpenBSD.

--
  WBR,
Pereresus ne Vlezaet Buggy

Re: PostgreSQL Problems

[Maxime DERCHE]

On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:19:02 +
Simon Connah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry if this is the wrong list, I debated whether to post it to
> ports but as it is not a problem with the port itself and is more a
> user problem (i.e I'm being stupid :)) I thought misc was probably
> more appropriate.
> 
> Anyway I've been trying to get PostgreSQL setup on my 4.3 box and
> I'm not having much luck at all. I've followed the instructions in  
> README.OpenBSD but I think I am missing something very simple here.  
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> It would probably be easier to post a log of all the steps I have  
> taken so here it is:
> 
> [Sun Oct 26 16:20:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]sudo su -
> [Sun Oct 26 16:20:52 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]passwd _postgresql
> Changing local password for _postgresql.
> New password:
> Retype new password:
> [Sun Oct 26 16:21:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]logout
> [Sun Oct 26 16:21:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]su - _postgresql
> Password:
> $ mkdir /var/postgresql/data
> $ initdb -D /var/postgresql/data -U postgres -A md5 -W
> The files belonging to this database system will be owned by user  
> "_postgresql".
> This user must also own the server process.
> 
> The database cluster will be initialized with locale C.
> 
> fixing permissions on existing directory /var/postgresql/data ... ok
> creating subdirectories ... ok
> selecting default max_connections ... 10
> selecting default shared_buffers/max_fsm_pages ... 400kB/2
> creating configuration files ... ok
> creating template1 database in /var/postgresql/data/base/1 ...
> FATAL: could not create shared memory segment: Cannot allocate memory
> DETAIL: Failed system call was shmget(key=1, size=1646592, 03600).
> HINT: This error usually means that PostgreSQL's request for a
> shared memory segment exceeded available memory or swap space. To
> reduce the request size (currently 1646592 bytes), reduce
> PostgreSQL's shared_buffers parameter (currently 50) and/or its
> max_connections parameter (currently 10).
> The PostgreSQL documentation contains more information about shared  
> memory configuration.
> child process exited with exit code 1
> initdb: removing contents of data directory "/var/postgresql/data"
> $ logout
> sh: logout: not found
> $ exit
> [Sun Oct 26 16:23:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]sudo shutdown -r now
> Shutdown NOW!
> shutdown: [pid 30708]
> [Sun Oct 26 16:23:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]
> *** FINAL System shutdown message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
> System going down IMMEDIATELY
> 
> 
> 
> System shutdown time has arrived
> Connection to 192.168.1.15 closed by remote host.
> Connection to 192.168.1.15 closed.
> typhoon:~ simon$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.15 port 22: Connection refused
> typhoon:~ simon$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
> Last login: Sun Oct 26 16:22:14 2008 from typhoon.local
> OpenBSD 4.3 (GENERIC) #2: Wed Oct 22 22:43:28 BST 2008
> 
> Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system.
> 
> Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system.
> Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest
> version of the code. With bug reports, please try to ensure that
> enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a
> known fix for it exists, include that as well.
> 
> [Sun Oct 26 16:25:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]top
> [Sun Oct 26 16:25:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]su - _postgresql
> Password:
> $ initdb -D /var/postgresql/data -U postgres -A md5 -W

This means that the PostgreSQL user with databases administration
privileges is named "postgres".
So, when creating your first PostgreSQL user, you must specify this
username to createuser.

> The files belonging to this database system will be owned by user  
> "_postgresql".

This means that the Unix (or system) user that owns the files is named
"_postgresql".

> This user must also own the server process.
> 
> The database cluster will be initialized with locale C.
> 
> fixing permissions on existing directory /var/postgresql/data ... ok
> creating subdirectories ... ok
> selecting default max_connections ... 40
> selecting default shared_buffers/max_fsm_pages ... 28MB/179200
> creating configuration files ... ok
> creating template1 database in /var/postgresql/data/base/1 ... ok
> initializing pg_authid ... ok
> Enter new superuser password:
> Enter it again:
> setting password ... ok
> initializing dependencies ... ok
> creating system views ... ok
> loading system objects' descriptions ... ok
> creating conversions ... ok
> setting privileges on built-in objects ... ok
> creating information schema ... ok
> vacuuming database template1 ... ok
> copying template1 to template0 ... ok
> copying template1 to postgres ... ok
> 
> Success. You can now start the database server using:
> 
> postgres -D /var/postgresql/data
> or
> pg_ctl -D /var/postgresql/data -l logfile start
> 
> $ pg_ctl -D /var/postgresql/data -l logfile start
> server starti

Re: Openbgpd: IPv6 and unsupported capability

[Henning Brauer]

* Francois Deppierraz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-27 12:43]:
> Henning Brauer wrote:
> 
> > the peer (quagga?) sens us said notification without including the
> > capability it doesn't like, and then we have to disable all
> > caabilities - one of them is v6.
> 
> The peer is a cisco in that case. The session got established after
> commenting it in bgpd.conf, reloading, uncommenting it and reloading.
> 
> Is it possible that announced capabilities don't get correctly reset by
> "bgpctl reload" ?

a config reload followed by session reset should reset them correctly.
if not, there's a bug. but I am reasonably sure I had tested that when
I touched that code last time.

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PostgreSQL Problems

[Simon Connah]

Sorry if this is the wrong list, I debated whether to post it to ports  
but as it is not a problem with the port itself and is more a user  
problem (i.e I'm being stupid :)) I thought misc was probably more  
appropriate.


Anyway I've been trying to get PostgreSQL setup on my 4.3 box and I'm  
not having much luck at all. I've followed the instructions in  
README.OpenBSD but I think I am missing something very simple here.  
Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Thank you.

It would probably be easier to post a log of all the steps I have  
taken so here it is:


[Sun Oct 26 16:20:48 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]sudo su -
[Sun Oct 26 16:20:52 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]passwd _postgresql
Changing local password for _postgresql.
New password:
Retype new password:
[Sun Oct 26 16:21:12 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]logout
[Sun Oct 26 16:21:16 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]su - _postgresql
Password:
$ mkdir /var/postgresql/data
$ initdb -D /var/postgresql/data -U postgres -A md5 -W
The files belonging to this database system will be owned by user  
"_postgresql".

This user must also own the server process.

The database cluster will be initialized with locale C.

fixing permissions on existing directory /var/postgresql/data ... ok
creating subdirectories ... ok
selecting default max_connections ... 10
selecting default shared_buffers/max_fsm_pages ... 400kB/2
creating configuration files ... ok
creating template1 database in /var/postgresql/data/base/1 ... FATAL:  
could not create shared memory segment: Cannot allocate memory

DETAIL: Failed system call was shmget(key=1, size=1646592, 03600).
HINT: This error usually means that PostgreSQL's request for a shared  
memory segment exceeded available memory or swap space. To reduce the  
request size (currently 1646592 bytes), reduce PostgreSQL's  
shared_buffers parameter (currently 50) and/or its max_connections  
parameter (currently 10).
The PostgreSQL documentation contains more information about shared  
memory configuration.

child process exited with exit code 1
initdb: removing contents of data directory "/var/postgresql/data"
$ logout
sh: logout: not found
$ exit
[Sun Oct 26 16:23:32 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]sudo shutdown -r now
Shutdown NOW!
shutdown: [pid 30708]
[Sun Oct 26 16:23:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]
*** FINAL System shutdown message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
System going down IMMEDIATELY



System shutdown time has arrived
Connection to 192.168.1.15 closed by remote host.
Connection to 192.168.1.15 closed.
typhoon:~ simon$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.15 port 22: Connection refused
typhoon:~ simon$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Last login: Sun Oct 26 16:22:14 2008 from typhoon.local
OpenBSD 4.3 (GENERIC) #2: Wed Oct 22 22:43:28 BST 2008

Welcome to OpenBSD: The proactively secure Unix-like operating system.

Please use the sendbug(1) utility to report bugs in the system.
Before reporting a bug, please try to reproduce it with the latest
version of the code. With bug reports, please try to ensure that
enough information to reproduce the problem is enclosed, and if a
known fix for it exists, include that as well.

[Sun Oct 26 16:25:14 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]top
[Sun Oct 26 16:25:36 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~]su - _postgresql
Password:
$ initdb -D /var/postgresql/data -U postgres -A md5 -W
The files belonging to this database system will be owned by user  
"_postgresql".

This user must also own the server process.

The database cluster will be initialized with locale C.

fixing permissions on existing directory /var/postgresql/data ... ok
creating subdirectories ... ok
selecting default max_connections ... 40
selecting default shared_buffers/max_fsm_pages ... 28MB/179200
creating configuration files ... ok
creating template1 database in /var/postgresql/data/base/1 ... ok
initializing pg_authid ... ok
Enter new superuser password:
Enter it again:
setting password ... ok
initializing dependencies ... ok
creating system views ... ok
loading system objects' descriptions ... ok
creating conversions ... ok
setting privileges on built-in objects ... ok
creating information schema ... ok
vacuuming database template1 ... ok
copying template1 to template0 ... ok
copying template1 to postgres ... ok

Success. You can now start the database server using:

postgres -D /var/postgresql/data
or
pg_ctl -D /var/postgresql/data -l logfile start

$ pg_ctl -D /var/postgresql/data -l logfile start
server starting
$ createuser simon
Shall the new role be a superuser? (y/n) n
Shall the new role be allowed to create databases? (y/n) y
Shall the new role be allowed to create more new roles? (y/n) y
Password:
createuser: could not connect to database postgres: FATAL: password  
authentication failed for user "_postgresql"

$ createuser simon
Shall the new role be a superuser? (y/n) n
Shall the new role be allowed to create databases? (y/n) y
Shall the new role be allowed to create more new roles? (y/n) y
Password:
createuser: could not connect to database postgres: FA

Re: Dummy question about .htaccess

[Jordi Espasa Clofent]

Have you checked that AllowOverride on /var/www/htdocs/syweb is set to
(at least) AuthConfig ?


Hi Paco,  nice to see you in OpenBSD misc@

;)

Runs fine now.
--
Thanks,
Jordi Espasa Clofent

Re: IBM X60 heating up considerably when boot into OpenBSD

[Michael Simpson]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/amar/site-specific/builds/kernel
>
> What and why did you change the kernel? try with generic.
>
> try enabling/disabling acpi/apm...

I get the same lack of GENERIC.MP in my dmesg from following the
commands in the section:

 Variation on above process: Read-only source tree

within chapter 5 of the FAQ.

I haven't altered the conf at all but both boxes that i rebuilt
yesterday have lost that designation in the first line of dmesg.

Thought it was a bit odd but they seem fine.

mike

Re: Dummy question about .htaccess

[Bertrand Janin]

Jordi Espasa Clofent wrote :
> I want to restrict the access to my syweb site (web GUI for symon).
>
> # pwd
> /var/www/htdocs/syweb
> # ls -la
> total 228
> drwxr-xr-x  3 root  daemon   1024 Oct 27 12:44 .
> drwxr-xr-x  3 root  daemon512 Oct 27 12:49 ..
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon131 Oct 27 12:44 .htaccess
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon 69 Oct 27 11:50 .htpasswd
> drwxr-xr-x  2 www   daemon512 Apr  2  2008 cache
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   6287 Apr 14  2008 class_cache.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon  10478 Apr 14  2008 class_graph.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   8937 Apr 14  2008 class_layout.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   6193 Apr 14  2008 class_lexer.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3959 Apr 14  2008 class_rrdtool.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   4394 Apr 14  2008 class_session.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2014 Apr 14  2008 class_text.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3591 Apr 14  2008 class_vars.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2414 Apr 14  2008 configtest.php
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2542 Apr 14  2008 graph.php
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon  19177 Apr 14  2008 graph_defaults.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   4873 Apr 14  2008 index.php
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   5318 Apr 14  2008 setup.inc
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon 95 Apr 14  2008 spacer.png
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon976 Apr 14  2008 symon.css
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   1760 Apr 14  2008 symon.png
> -rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3233 Apr 14  2008 tools.inc
> # more .htaccess 
>
> AuthUserFile /var/www/htdocs/syweb/.htpasswd
> AuthGroupFile /dev/null
> AuthName Restricted Access.
> AuthType Basic
> require valid-user
> # more .htpasswd 

Apache is running in a chroot by default so the path you give to
AuthUserFile is incorrect, it should be /htdocs/syweb/.htpasswd

Bertrand

Re: Dummy question about .htaccess

[Paco Esteban]

Hi Jordi,

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 12:57, Jordi Espasa Clofent
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> # more .htaccess
> AuthUserFile /var/www/htdocs/syweb/.htpasswd
> AuthGroupFile /dev/null
> AuthName Restricted Access.
> AuthType Basic
> require valid-user

Have you checked that AllowOverride on /var/www/htdocs/syweb is set to
(at least) AuthConfig ?

cheers.

--
Paco Esteban
http://onna.be/

Re: IBM X60 heating up considerably when boot into OpenBSD

[Julian Leyh]

Amarendra Godbole schrieb:

Hello misc@

My IBM (Lenovo) X60 laptop heats up considerably and the battery also
discharges faster, when I boot into OpenBSD. This does not seem to be
the case when I boot it into Windows XP.

The relevant temperature sysctls are:
hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=73.05 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.acpitz1.temp0=72.05 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=72.00 degC
hw.sensors.aps0.temp0=52.00 degC
hw.sensors.aps0.temp1=52.00 degC

dmesg is put up at http://www.obscure.org/~amunix/tmp/dmesg


OpenBSD 4.4-current (kernel) #0: Mon Oct 27 11:37:30 IST 2008
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/amar/site-specific/builds/kernel

What and why did you change the kernel? try with generic.

try enabling/disabling acpi/apm...



I did read about SpeedStep, and slowing down the processor so that it consumes
less power - so I am going to try it out by tweaking sysctl "hw.cpuspeed" and
changing it from 1829 to 1000, but I am not sure if this would solve
the problem.

Has anyone encountered something similar? If yes, I'd appreciate tips
to fix this
(apart from the SpeedStepping stuff -- will post my findings. Thanks).

-Amarendra

Dummy question about .htaccess

[Jordi Espasa Clofent]

Hi all,

I want to restrict the access to my syweb site (web GUI for symon).

# pwd
/var/www/htdocs/syweb
# ls -la
total 228
drwxr-xr-x  3 root  daemon   1024 Oct 27 12:44 .
drwxr-xr-x  3 root  daemon512 Oct 27 12:49 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon131 Oct 27 12:44 .htaccess
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon 69 Oct 27 11:50 .htpasswd
drwxr-xr-x  2 www   daemon512 Apr  2  2008 cache
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   6287 Apr 14  2008 class_cache.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon  10478 Apr 14  2008 class_graph.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   8937 Apr 14  2008 class_layout.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   6193 Apr 14  2008 class_lexer.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3959 Apr 14  2008 class_rrdtool.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   4394 Apr 14  2008 class_session.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2014 Apr 14  2008 class_text.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3591 Apr 14  2008 class_vars.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2414 Apr 14  2008 configtest.php
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   2542 Apr 14  2008 graph.php
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon  19177 Apr 14  2008 graph_defaults.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   4873 Apr 14  2008 index.php
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   5318 Apr 14  2008 setup.inc
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon 95 Apr 14  2008 spacer.png
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon976 Apr 14  2008 symon.css
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   1760 Apr 14  2008 symon.png
-rw-r--r--  1 root  daemon   3233 Apr 14  2008 tools.inc
# more .htaccess 


AuthUserFile /var/www/htdocs/syweb/.htpasswd
AuthGroupFile /dev/null
AuthName Restricted Access.
AuthType Basic
require valid-user
# more .htpasswd 


10dence:$2a$06$.7tLChr5JHureAq58sL8T.c6FjtKZfrfqAKfguBP4mPbfJSSHzmQe

but when I type http:///syweb/ the dialog auth box doesn't 
appear? So, anybody can access to syweb site.


?What's wrong?

More info:

# uname -a && httpd -l
OpenBSD jespasac.home.org 4.2 GENERIC.RAID#1 amd64
Compiled-in modules:
  http_core.c
  mod_env.c
  mod_log_config.c
  mod_mime.c
  mod_negotiation.c
  mod_status.c
  mod_include.c
  mod_autoindex.c
  mod_dir.c
  mod_cgi.c
  mod_asis.c
  mod_imap.c
  mod_actions.c
  mod_userdir.c
  mod_alias.c
  mod_access.c
  mod_auth.c
  mod_so.c
  mod_setenvif.c
  mod_keynote.c
  mod_ssl.c
suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/sbin/suexec

--
Thanks,
Jordi Espasa Clofent

IBM X60 heating up considerably when boot into OpenBSD

[Amarendra Godbole]

Hello misc@

My IBM (Lenovo) X60 laptop heats up considerably and the battery also
discharges faster, when I boot into OpenBSD. This does not seem to be
the case when I boot it into Windows XP.

The relevant temperature sysctls are:
hw.sensors.acpitz0.temp0=73.05 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.acpitz1.temp0=72.05 degC (zone temperature)
hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0=72.00 degC
hw.sensors.aps0.temp0=52.00 degC
hw.sensors.aps0.temp1=52.00 degC

dmesg is put up at http://www.obscure.org/~amunix/tmp/dmesg

I did read about SpeedStep, and slowing down the processor so that it consumes
less power - so I am going to try it out by tweaking sysctl "hw.cpuspeed" and
changing it from 1829 to 1000, but I am not sure if this would solve
the problem.

Has anyone encountered something similar? If yes, I'd appreciate tips
to fix this
(apart from the SpeedStepping stuff -- will post my findings. Thanks).

-Amarendra

Re: Openbgpd: IPv6 and unsupported capability

[Francois Deppierraz]

Henning Brauer wrote:

> the peer (quagga?) sens us said notification without including the
> capability it doesn't like, and then we have to disable all
> caabilities - one of them is v6.

The peer is a cisco in that case. The session got established after
commenting it in bgpd.conf, reloading, uncommenting it and reloading.

Is it possible that announced capabilities don't get correctly reset by
"bgpctl reload" ?

Anyway, thanks for your work on such a nice piece of code.

Frangois

incorrect password

[Lloyds TSB Bank]

Dear Lloyds TSB Customer,

Your online banking password was entered incorrectly more than 3 times.
For the protection of your account we have suspended access to it.
To restore access please Log In correctly.
Previous notifications have been sent.

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Re: relayd - tcp_write: connect timed out

[uday]

> Ick: those are pre-HTTP-1.0 requests, as they lack a protocol and
> version identifier.  What relayd actually sends is a HEAD request with
> protocol HTTP/1.0.  You don't specify a hostname in your config, so it
> doesn't send a Host: header field.  Try those again using something
> like:
>   printf "HEAD / HTTP/1.0\r\n\r\n" | nc 192.168.4.76 80

Did exactly what you said :

# printf "HEAD / HTTP/1.0\r\n\r\n" | nc 192.168.4.76 80
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:51:32 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.8 (Ubuntu)
Last-Modified: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:01:13 GMT
ETag: "1bd35-34-458368fed1440"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 52
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/html

uday

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

[Jonathan Schleifer]

Am 27.10.2008 um 10:49 schrieb Aram HAVARNEANU:

> I have been using it extensively for several years (since it first
> appeared) on about ~10 systems and never had a single problem
> with it. Is your bug reproducible? Did you fill a bug report?

It was reproducable, as it seemed to always happen when an application  
tried to write to it. Some directories would get unreadble in Windows  
then and when booting back to Linux, the FS was always unclean and  
e2fsck tried to fix it with the beforementioned result.

I did not report it as the driver seemed to be already dead at that  
time. The driver still doesn't run on Vista, but the ext2fsd driver  
does, so I think fs-driver.org can be considered obsoleted by ext2fsd  
- which has its own, different problems (at least no data loss), but  
supports UTF-8 encoded filenames.

--
Jonathan

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had 
a name of PGP.sig]

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

[Aram HAVARNEANU]

>> And there is the http://www.fs-driver.org/ - also free
>> and do read/write on ext2 for Windows.
>
> Crashed my ext2 data partition more than once, but I could always
> recover it with e2fsck, but the files in / all lost their names then.
> However, the stuff in sub directories still had names. So /foo/bar
> was /lost+found/$inode_no/bar after e2fsck.

I have been using it extensively for several years (since it first
appeared) on about ~10 systems and never had a single problem
with it. Is your bug reproducible? Did you fill a bug report?

-- 
Aram Havarneanu

Option GX0201 UMTS/HSDPA 3G card?

[Tor Houghton]

Hello,

This card is not on the list of supported hardware, but I was wondering if
anyone has tried this card at all or is anyone working on a driver for it?

Looking at some Linux forums it appears that this card somehow acts as a
storage device (so that Windows can get drivers from it) as well as
something which provides USB serial ports. The maintainer of their
"usb_switchmode" utility appears to have had to snoop the USB communications
in otder to change the card from storage to communications device, so my
initial thought was that this is a closed source device which probably had
very low priority here, but I thought I'd ask.

Tor

4.4 now in Örebro, Sweden!

[Johan Linnér]

Thanks!

...for a great and secure OS.
...for all the hard work you put into the project.

/Johan Linnir

Re: ftp-proxy and IP alias

[Camiel Dobbelaar]

Chris Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Chris Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Was finally able to test the reboot scenario and two instances of
>> ftp-proxy do not get started from rc.conf.local. Needed to run the
>> second instance from rc.local.
> 
> Just wondering whether or not it's more proper to start the second
> instance of ftp-proxy in rc.local (which I'm doing now) or to start it
> in rc.securelevel ?

rc.local is fine.


--
Cam

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

[Alexey Suslikov]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:21 PM, dermiste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 9:23 PM, Alexey Suslikov
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 10:18 PM, Paul de Weerd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:51:38PM +0200, Alexey Suslikov wrote:
>>> | Paul de Weerd wrote:
>>> |
>>> | > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote:
>>> | > | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>> wrote:
>>> | > | > Actually, (2^32)-1, or 4GB, is the max size per file
>>> | > | > (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463).  I can see that being a 
>>> problem if
>>> | > | > you're trying to run a database off of your thumb drive, but 
>>> otherwise... can
>>> | > | > you give examples of files that you (or anyone you know) would like 
>>> to access
>>> | > | > in Windows and OpenBSD that exceed this limit?
>>> | > |
>>> | > | dvd images are often >4.2G
>>> | >
>>> | > I agree with Chris here .. the only time I've wanted to transport
>>> | > large files between windows and basically !windows (macosx, linux and
>>> | > *bsd) they were ISO's of either regular CD's (works) or DVD's (doesn't
>>> | > fit in fat32).
>>> | >
>>> | > Happened to me on a couple of occassions that I wanted to do this and
>>> | > had to resort to network transfers (non-optimal in those
>>> | > circumstances).
>>> |
>>> | Come on guys.
>>> |
>>> | I believe OpenBSD can do read/write on ext2. No?
>>> |
>>> | And there is the http://www.fs-driver.org/ - also free
>>> | and do read/write on ext2 for Windows.
>>>
>>> True, but it's an external add-on that you may not always be able to
>>> install on the windows machine (which in my case usually isn't mine).
>>> OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, Mac OSX .. they all have 'native'
>>> support for FAT32.
>>
>> Nope. Create a small FAT32 partition on this drive and put
>> a driver on it. How small, it is your choice. It can be 32Gb
>> (a recommended maximum for FAT32) on these modern
>> 1TB USB drives.
>
> And ? you'll still have to install the driver. This solves nothing.
> The only remaining solution involves a userland app that r/w ext2 as
> an archiver r/w an archive ... how convenient.

So write an user-land app if you need to.

If you don't like Ext2 way just don't go. It is just an option for
people stuck with interoperability problem.

Sure it has its own drawbacks but it does what you initially
want - bidirectional access.

Alexey

Re: ntfs never ever ffs land obsd ?

[Alexey Suslikov]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Neko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> im trying to report the issue of the ffs driver you sent me to its
> developper, yes it can access disk labels.
>
> yes it sees other disk labels,
>
> but if you have /home on disk label d it wont work
>
> my disklabel is kinda like so
>
> bsd
> wd0a /
> wd0b -swap-
> wd0c -disk-
> wd0d /home
>
> exotic
> wd0i /dos
> wd0j /xp
> wd0k /ntfs
>
> plus there is an ext2 and plan 9 partition.
>
> linux does it all,
> plan9 is self capsuled, but still accessible from linux,
> xp reads all even the swap of linux,
>
>
> i but bsd, ...
> i have to pass all from ffs > fat32 > ntfs or ntfs > fat32 > ffs
> and its not even a virtual volume in windows, its a phisical extended
> partition.
>
> i know its a warzone in the partitions fields when it come to multiple os
> i have being dealing with this since bsd 3.7.
>
> now i use bsd from 2.7 to 3.7 enjoying no microsolft products at all, not
> even linux, then i had to because of work /contract requirements,
>
> now its 4.4 about 8y later, and nothing is done,
>
> since my system grew from bsd, its on bsd, not ext2, ext3 or reiser,
>
> shure its readable in hex and security sucks, but thats the point ,
> readability.  but its odd, nothing reads it properly.

On a FFS driver please blame (or better help) a developer.

On Ext2.

You don't necessarily need to create an Ext2 partition from a
BSD. Install Windows Ext2 driver, create a partition and just
mount it on BSD when you need to.

Alexey

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

[Alexey Suslikov]

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 1:01 AM, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 26 October 2008, Paul de Weerd wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 09:51:38PM +0200, Alexey Suslikov wrote:
>> | Paul de Weerd wrote:
>> | > On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 12:01:40PM -0700, Chris Kuethe wrote:
>> | > | On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Weigel
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> | > | > Actually, (2^32)-1, or 4GB, is the max size per file
>> | > | > (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314463).  I can see that
>> | > | > being a problem if you're trying to run a database off of
>> | > | > your thumb drive, but otherwise... can you give examples of
>> | > | > files that you (or anyone you know) would like to access in
>> | > | > Windows and OpenBSD that exceed this limit?
>> | > |
>> | > | dvd images are often >4.2G
>> | >
>> | > I agree with Chris here .. the only time I've wanted to transport
>> | > large files between windows and basically !windows (macosx, linux
>> | > and *bsd) they were ISO's of either regular CD's (works) or DVD's
>> | > (doesn't fit in fat32).
>> | >
>> | > Happened to me on a couple of occassions that I wanted to do this
>> | > and had to resort to network transfers (non-optimal in those
>> | > circumstances).
>> |
>> | Come on guys.
>> |
>> | I believe OpenBSD can do read/write on ext2. No?
>> |
>> | And there is the http://www.fs-driver.org/ - also free
>> | and do read/write on ext2 for Windows.
>>
>> True, but it's an external add-on that you may not always be able to
>> install on the windows machine (which in my case usually isn't mine).
>> OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Linux, Mac OSX .. they all have 'native'
>> support for FAT32.
>>
>> Granted, I don't see an easy solution for this issue (because in
>> essence it would mean that all others need proper ntfs support).
>>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> It seems you and others are missing the obvious; If Microsoft actually
> wanted other operating system vendors to read and write NTFS, they
> would have provided the specifications.
>
> Trying to build and maintain compatibility with a vendor which
> specifically doesn't want you to build or maintain compatibility is an
> exercise in futility. There is no easy solution because Microsoft does
> not want an easy solution to exist. If anyone does create an easy
> solution, Microsoft will undoubtedly, once again, change things so they
> remain incompatible. --Oh and don't forget MS FAT/FAT32 is patent
> encumbered so the only reason why you still have "native support" for
> it is because Microsoft has not pushed the issue in the courts or
> taking the time to write a new incompatible version of FAT32.
>
> If you consider an ever changing, undocumented, closed source file
> system to be a problem, the best thing you can do is migrate to using
> something else.
>
> OpenBSD does provide read access to NTFS for the sake of faster
> migration, but even this is fairly unnecessary since one could transfer
> the data over a network connection. There's no reason to bloat the
> OpenBSD kernel with a feature designed as a fast solution to a
> temporary problem, namely migration.
>
> The answer is not fighting for NTFS support, instead, the answer is
> migrating away from NTFS. If someone absolutely insists on running
> something intentionally incompatible, the only viable answer is to
> leave them out in the cold until they change their mind.

Exactly.

More faster people forget about NTFS/FAT32, more
faster interoperability problem will be solved.

People wanted NTFS just forgot about the fact what
they want not NTFS itself but interoperability between
a number of systems.

Alexey

Re: NTFS-3G Stable Read/Write Driver ready to merge on cvs obsd ?

[J.C. Roberts]

On Sunday 26 October 2008, Neko wrote:
> its shows that some poor trolls here dont own ultraportables with no
> external drives, and use more than one os alternative.
>
> i pass data from bsd to fat 32 so in m$ its then copy onto ntfs,
> i have 1 disk - 8 os,
>
> nothing is being done , but more and more ultraportables sells,
>
>
> yes it could be resolv into using an ext2 partition instead, but that
> is not resolving a problem its going around it covering eyes and
> ears.
>
> my stuff works, its just a pain , and ffs driver in windooz cant
> read more than one disklabel.  bsd suggest using more than one
> partition, in that problem , one is the solution,  next time i wont
> RTFM, and do as i see fit because their more opinions than guidlines.
>
> now as for backwards bsd. why does freebsd write to ntfs? why does
> osx write to ntfs..  seems to me that is more some obstination done
> not to support it.
>
>
> shure im doing it wrong , because nothing is being done.
>
> but shure a color-ls.pkg is more important if you ask me, SARCASTIC
>
> neko

neko,

Your impolite off list response to me was one thing, but publicly
calling Ted Unangst a troll is pure stupidity. Ted is one of the people
kind enough to give you OpenBSD.

The only good thing about you being stupid enough to put 8 operating
systems on one disk is the people on this mailing list have an 87.5%
chance you'll decide to use some other OS, uninstall OpenBSD,
unsubscribe from misc@, and your pointless bitching will end.

You and everyone else dumb enough to run the read/write NTFS code
offered by ntfs-g3.org or similar are only one "Windows Update" away
from corrupting all your data. The NTFS file system is intentionally
undocumented, so Microsoft can, and will, change their internal NTFS
specification whenever they want. This means your misguided use of the
ntfs-g3.org code can start destroying your NTFS data whenever Microsoft
decides they want your data destroyed.

Microsoft very intentionally tries to make sure their products are
undocumented and incompatible for two reasons; (1) it allows Microsoft
to lock-in the end users, and (2) some end users and some free software
developers are dumb enough to burn up all their time and resources
attempting to attain and maintain compatibility with Microsoft's ever
changing undocumented crap.

There really are people in the world smart enough to avoid wasting their
time with intentionally undocumented and incompatible crap from vendors
like Microsoft. You are obviously not one of them. You are not even
smart enough to understand the real problems caused by running a sad
hack to access an undocumented file system that the vendor can change
at any moment. Worse yet, you're dumb enough to bitch and complain
because OpenBSD is smart enough to prevent you from shooting yourself
in the foot with unreliable file system code.

The best thing you can do is uninstall OpenBSD, unsubscribe from misc@,
and continue down your ignorant path to eventual data destruction using
one of the seven other operating systems you currently have installed.

-JCR