audio volume stuck at max
Hi all, Jacob, I have noticed this problem off and on, where the audio volume is stuck at max (or close to it) and I am unable to adjust the volume until I reboot. This doesn't happen often, and with the current snapshot I've been running, for a month now, it is the first time it has happened; I had thought whatever the glitch was, it had got fixed, but I guess not quite :) The ibook is right now in this condition, and if there is anything you want me to try and send you info while in this state let me know. I'll have to shutoff the ibook in the morning when I leave for work (it travels with me); that's in about nine or so hours from now. --patrick $ dmesg [ using 437464 bytes of bsd ELF symbol table ] console out [ATY,Via_A]console in [keyboard] USB and ADB found, using ADB using parent ATY,ViaParent:: memaddr 9800 size 800, : consaddr 9c008000, : ioaddr 9002, size 2: memtag 8000, iotag 8000: width 1024 linebytes 1024 height 768 depth 8 Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Copyright (c) 1995-2009 OpenBSD. All rights reserved. http://www.OpenBSD.org OpenBSD 4.6 (GENERIC) #38: Fri Jul 3 18:40:45 MDT 2009 dera...@macppc.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/macppc/compile/GENERIC real mem = 671088640 (640MB) avail mem = 636502016 (607MB) mainbus0 at root: model PowerBook6,3 cpu0 at mainbus0: 7455 (Revision 0x303): 799 MHz: 256KB L2 cache mem0 at mainbus0 spdmem0 at mem0: no EEPROM found spdmem1 at mem0: 512MB DDR SDRAM non-parity PC2100CL2.5 memc0 at mainbus0: uni-n hw-clock at memc0 not configured kiic0 at memc0 offset 0xf8001000 iic0 at kiic0 adt0 at iic0 addr 0xae: adt7467 rev 0x71 cy28512 at iic0 addr 0xe9 not configured mpcpcibr0 at mainbus0 pci: uni-north, Revision 0xff pci0 at mpcpcibr0 bus 0 pchb0 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 Apple UniNorth AGP rev 0x00 vgafb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 ATI Radeon Mobility 9200 rev 0x01, mmio wsdisplay0 at vgafb0 mux 1: console (std, vt100 emulation) mpcpcibr1 at mainbus0 pci: uni-north, Revision 0x5 pci1 at mpcpcibr1 bus 0 pchb1 at pci1 dev 11 function 0 Apple UniNorth PCI rev 0x00 bwi0 at pci1 dev 18 function 0 Broadcom BCM4306 rev 0x03: irq 52, address 00:0d:93:84:04:88 macobio0 at pci1 dev 23 function 0 Apple Intrepid rev 0x00 openpic0 at macobio0 offset 0x4: version 0x4614 little endian macgpio0 at macobio0 offset 0x50 macgpio1 at macgpio0 offset 0x9 irq 47 programmer-switch at macgpio0 offset 0x11 not configured gpio4 at macgpio0 offset 0x1e not configured frequency-gpio at macgpio0 offset 0x1a not configured voltage-gpio at macgpio0 offset 0x1b not configured slewing-done at macgpio0 offset 0x12 not configured gpio5 at macgpio0 offset 0x6f not configured gpio6 at macgpio0 offset 0x70 not configured gpio11 at macgpio0 offset 0x75 not configured extint-gpio15 at macgpio0 offset 0x67 not configured escc-legacy at macobio0 offset 0x12000 not configured zsc0 at macobio0 offset 0x13000: irq 22,23 zstty0 at zsc0 channel 0 zstty1 at zsc0 channel 1 snapper0 at macobio0 offset 0x1: irq 30,1,2 timer at macobio0 offset 0x15000 not configured adb0 at macobio0 offset 0x16000 irq 25: via-pmu, 3 targets akbd0 at adb0 addr 2: PowerBook G4 keyboard (Inverted T) wskbd0 at akbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 ams0 at adb0 addr 3: EMP trackpad tpad 4-button, 400 dpi wsmouse0 at ams0 mux 0 abtn0 at adb0 addr 7: brightness/volume/eject buttons apm0 at adb0: battery flags 0x4, 99% charged piic0 at adb0 iic1 at piic0 battery at macobio0 offset 0x0 not configured backlight at macobio0 offset 0xf300 not configured kiic1 at macobio0 offset 0x18000 iic2 at kiic1 wdc0 at macobio0 offset 0x2 irq 24: DMA atapiscsi0 at wdc0 channel 0 drive 0 scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: QSI, CD-ROM TCR-241, WL15 ATAPI 5/cdrom removable cd0(wdc0:0:0): using BIOS timings, DMA mode 2 audio0 at snapper0 ohci0 at pci1 dev 24 function 0 Apple Intrepid USB rev 0x00: irq 0, version 1.0, legacy support ohci1 at pci1 dev 25 function 0 Apple Intrepid USB rev 0x00: irq 0, version 1.0, legacy support ohci2 at pci1 dev 26 function 0 Apple Intrepid USB rev 0x00: irq 29, version 1.0, legacy support ohci3 at pci1 dev 27 function 0 NEC USB rev 0x43: irq 63, version 1.0 ohci4 at pci1 dev 27 function 1 NEC USB rev 0x43: irq 63, version 1.0 ehci0 at pci1 dev 27 function 2 NEC USB rev 0x04: irq 63 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 NEC EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 usb1 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 Apple OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 Apple OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at ohci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 Apple OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at ohci3: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 NEC OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb5 at ohci4: USB revision 1.0 uhub5 at usb5 NEC OHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 mpcpcibr2 at mainbus0 pci: uni-north, Revision 0x6 pci2 at mpcpcibr2 bus 0 pchb2
Re: How to activate extensions after compiling php5 core and extensions? No instructions!
On 6 August 2009 c. 07:25:29 Andres Salazar wrote: Hello, OpenBSD 4.5 stable I have done the following: cd /usr/ports/www/php5/core; make; make install; cd /usr/ports/www/php5/extensions; make; make intall; That according to pkg_info installed: php5-core-5.2.10server-side HTML-embedded scripting language php5-extensions-5.2.10 informational package about PHP5 extensions The instructions after finishing the extensions compiling said: --- php5-extensions-5.2.10 --- This is a place-holder package to inform you that the PHP port is now split into small sub-packages, designed to allow you to install modules independently of the main PHP engine. For example, to install the IMAP module, just pkg_add the php5-imap-5.2.10.tgz package and activate it using the 'phpxs' command. I tried doing pkg_add php5-mysql-5.2.10.tar however that just tries to install it from the packages (and off course it wont becuase the packages offers 5.2.8)... and then the phpxs command doesnt exist. What am I missing to actually finish the install of all the php5 extensions? cd /usr/ports/www/php5/extensions SUBPACKAGE=-mysql make install -- Best wishes, Vadim Zhukov A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
Panic at install of amd64 on HP nx6320
What I did: Install into wd0, second DOS partition, 20G. Everything looked good. At reboot, the panic happens, always. ps is easy: ddb ps * 0 -1 0 0 7 0x80200 swapper ddb trace Debugger() at Debugger+0x5 panic() at panic+0x122 _aml_die() at _aml_die+0xdb aml_xconvert() at aml_xconvert+0x68 [...] config_attach() at config_attach+0x11b cpu_configure() at cpu_configure+0x1c main() at main+0x3c5 end trace frame:0x0, count: -31 (If someone will ask for the complete trace: I'll take a screenshot with a camera if need be.) Any recommendation? (The machine works well at its other boots: XP and Ubuntu.) Uwe
Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Re: 'ps auwx' and 'top': inconsistent display?
On 2009-08-05, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Toni Muelleropenbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote: On Sat, 01.08.2009 at 17:13:43 +0300, Jussi Peltola pe...@pelzi.net wrote: Why should fork touch user id's? I was under the impression that only the effective userid should be inherited by a forked process, not the real user id. Make a note that whatever source of information you got that from was wrong and should not be trusted. I suggest you read W. Richard Stevens's Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment. Anyone know how important the changes between the first and second edition of this are? (The older one's a lot cheaper..)
Re: Panic at install of amd64 on HP nx6320
we need a trace; this is worthless. On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 08:54:44PM +0800, Uwe Dippel wrote: What I did: Install into wd0, second DOS partition, 20G. Everything looked good. At reboot, the panic happens, always. ps is easy: ddb ps * 0 -1 0 0 7 0x80200 swapper ddb trace Debugger() at Debugger+0x5 panic() at panic+0x122 _aml_die() at _aml_die+0xdb aml_xconvert() at aml_xconvert+0x68 [...] config_attach() at config_attach+0x11b cpu_configure() at cpu_configure+0x1c main() at main+0x3c5 end trace frame:0x0, count: -31 (If someone will ask for the complete trace: I'll take a screenshot with a camera if need be.) Any recommendation? (The machine works well at its other boots: XP and Ubuntu.) Uwe
Re: [SOLVED, sort of] Re: 'ps auwx' and 'top': inconsistent display?
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Stuart Hendersons...@spacehopper.org wrote: On 2009-08-05, Philip Guenther guent...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Toni Muelleropenbsd-m...@oeko.net wrote: On Sat, 01.08.2009 at 17:13:43 +0300, Jussi Peltola pe...@pelzi.net wrote: Why should fork touch user id's? I was under the impression that only the effective userid should be inherited by a forked process, not the real user id. Make a note that whatever source of information you got that from was wrong and should not be trusted. I suggest you read W. Richard Stevens's Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment. Anyone know how important the changes between the first and second edition of this are? (The older one's a lot cheaper..) From the 2nd Edition (excuse any typos): Page xxii Changes from the First Edition Rich's work holds up well. I've tried not to change his original vision for this book, but a lot has happened in 13 years. This is especially true with the standards that affect the UNIX programming interface. Throughout the book, I've updated interfaces that have changed from the ongoing efforts in standards organizations. This is most noticeable in Chapter 2, since its primary topic is standards. The 2001 version of the POSIX.1 standard, which we use in this revision, is much more comprehensive than the 1990 version on which the first edition of this book was based. The 1990 ISO C standard was updated in 1999, and some changes affect the interfaces in the POSIX.1 standard. A lot more interfaces are now covered by the POSIX.1 specification. The base specifications of the Single UNIX Specification (published by THe Open Group, formerly X/Open) have been merged with POSIX.1. POSI.1 now includes several 1003.1 standards and draft standards that were formerly published separately. Accordingly, I've added chapters to cover some new topics. Threads and multithreaded programming are important concepts because they present a cleaner way for programmers to deal with concurrency and asynchrony. The socket interface is now part of POSIX.1. It provides a single interface to interprocess communication (IPC), regardless of the location of the process, and is a natural extension of the IPC chapters. I've omitted most of the real-time interfaces that appear in POSIX.1. These are best treated in a text devoted to real-0time programming. Once such book appears in the bibliography. I've updated the case studies in the last chapters to cover more relevant real-world examples. For example, few systems these days are connected to a PostScript printer via a serial or parallel port. Most PostScript printers today are accessed via a network so I've changed the case study that deals with PostScript printer communication to take this into account. The chapter on modem communication is less relevant these days. So that the original material is not lost, however, it is available on the book's Wb site in two formats: PostScript (http:/www.apuebook.com/lostchapter/modem.ps) and PDF (... .pdf). The source code for the examples shown in this book is also available at www.apubook.com. Most of the examples have been run on four platforms: 1. FreeBSD 5.2.1, a derivative of the 4.4BSD release from the COmputer Systems Research Group at the University of California at Berkeley, running on an Intel Pentium processor 2. Linux 2.4.22 (the Mandrake 9.2 distribution), a free UNIX-like operating system, running on Intel Pentium processors 3. SOlaris 9, a derivative of Sysstem V Release 4 from Sun Microsystems, running on a 64-bit UltraSPARC IIi processor 4. Darwin 7.4.0, an operating environment based on FreeBSD and Mach, supported by Aple Mac OS X, version 10.3, on a PowerPC processor
Re: Panic at install of amd64 on HP nx6320
Marco Peereboom wrote: we need a trace; this is worthless. Thought so. Here are the screens, in the attachment. Hope, it goes through! Uwe [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0623.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0624.JPG] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of IMG_0625.JPG]
Memory on 4.5 again
Hi all, after my post in June [1] I've removed the wireless card that seemed to be causing the memory problems and my system is more stable now. However, after about three weeks of uptime, memory starts running low again and the machine starts swapping constantly. netstat -m gives me 33805 mbufs in use: 33790 mbufs allocated to data 3 mbufs allocated to packet headers 12 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 6/94/6144 mbuf 2048 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 4096 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 8192 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 9216 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 12288 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 16384 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 65536 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 156296 Kbytes allocated to network (99% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines 150 MB for network seems a bit much to me, especially since I can literally watch that number grow. The system has 3 wired ethernet interfaces (2 of them in use), pflog0 and enc0. No other interfaces. Traffic levels are very moderate -- max 1 GB per day. Any ideas what's going on and what I could do about this? Thanks, Lars [1] http://www.nabble.com/Memory-problems-on-4.5-td23901874.html
Open position for OpenBSD Admin with strong networking skills - Philadelphia, PA suburbs
Hi, Sorry if this isn't the appropriate list for this kind of posting. It seemed like the least offensive place to post it. I have an opening for an Admin with strong unix, I prefer OpenBSD, skills along with strong networking and telecom skills. This is a full- time permanent position reporting to and working directly with me. The job is managing the data and voice infrastructure for a small liberal arts college. Our HR department has published the job on the HigherEdJobs site and a few others, but the pool is decidedly lacking in Unix/Linux skills, so I'm reaching out directly. I will be happy to answer any questions. If anyone is interested in applying please email cover letter, resume, etc (pdf or word format - have to keep HR happy) to isj...@brynmawr.edu. Official Job Posting: Telecommunications Network Engineer Bryn Mawr College Responsible for the day-to-day administration and maintenance of the college's data and voice infrastructure, this position requires a person with both skill and vision. Reporting directly to the Head of Networking and Telecommunication, the successful candidate will support a combined Cisco/HP/Aruba data network and Avaya PBX; perform Move/Add/Change work for data and voice connections; affect routine repairs to the infrastructure; manage small wiring projects; build and deploy core network services with OpenBSD, and work with college departments and outside vendors to monitor and maintain the campus data and voice infrastructure. Required: Bachelor's degree in Computer Science, Electrical Engineering, Physics, or related technical discipline; professional certifications in Networking and Telecommunications systems. Three to five years experience providing data and voice network support in an institution of higher education or medium sized business; demonstrated skills in the following areas: * Comprehensive understanding of data and telephone technologies with an emphasis on router, switch, and PBX operation * Comprehensive understanding of tcp/ip network protocols * Comprehensive understanding of Ethernet * Comprehensive understanding of ISDN * Experience administering DNS, DHCP, RADIUS, and similar software * Experience with Systems Administration of OpenBSD, FreeBSD, or Debian Linux * Commitment to continuous improvement of professional skills Bryn Mawr is a private liberal arts institution that serves a population of 1,800 students at both the undergraduate and graduate levels. Located approximately 11 miles west of Philadelphia, PA., the College has a long tradition of educational excellence offering a dynamic and challenging workplace. The College offers a competitive salary and a comprehensive benefits package including 22 vacation days and a generous pension contribution. Review of applications will begin immediately and will continue until the position is filled. For a complete job description, visit Employment Opportunities on the College's Human Resources website: http://www.brynmawr.edu/humanresources/Recruit/employment_opportunities.shtml . For immediate consideration, send cover letter, including salary requirements, resume and a list of at least three professional references to: isj...@brynmawr.edu EOE M/F
Re: Memory on 4.5 again
So is anyone else seeing an mbuf leak with rl(4) or is it specific to this machine/configuration? On 2009-08-07, Lars Kotthoff li...@larsko.org wrote: Hi all, after my post in June [1] I've removed the wireless card that seemed to be causing the memory problems and my system is more stable now. However, after about three weeks of uptime, memory starts running low again and the machine starts swapping constantly. netstat -m gives me 33805 mbufs in use: 33790 mbufs allocated to data 3 mbufs allocated to packet headers 12 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 6/94/6144 mbuf 2048 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 4096 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 8192 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 9216 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 12288 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 16384 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 65536 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 156296 Kbytes allocated to network (99% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines 150 MB for network seems a bit much to me, especially since I can literally watch that number grow. The system has 3 wired ethernet interfaces (2 of them in use), pflog0 and enc0. No other interfaces. Traffic levels are very moderate -- max 1 GB per day. Any ideas what's going on and what I could do about this? Thanks, Lars [1] http://www.nabble.com/Memory-problems-on-4.5-td23901874.html
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Re: boot disk ???
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Chris Dukespak...@pr.neotoma.org wrote: Noone in their right mind installs an operating system just to install an operating system. For the matter, noone in their right mind uses a computer to just use a computer. There are rational human oriented end goals for which installing an operating system *MIGHT* be a rational step. Hardly true. I have plenty of geeky friends who love toying with different OSes. However, they usually have a i'll make it work, it'll be a fun challenge attitude, not it doesn't work so you're all trying to GET ME...
Re: Delete packages with dependencies
I have the first attempt of the dependencies deletion option. I
modified 'pkg_delete' to include an option -r that perform this task.
The main idea is to traverse the graph of package dependencies with
some kind of bfs algorithm. The queue is initialized with the original
packages to be removed. Packages that have not dependents and were not
manually installed are added to the bfs queue for exploration. This is
repeated until the queue for exploration is empty.
Below you can find the patch. My perl-fu is not very good so I am not
sure if this is the right way of doing things. Another thing is that I
developed this for OpenBSD 4.5 and I don't have a box with the
'current' branch; if somebody can test it for 4.6 that could help.
Of course, I would like to know your thoughts about it.
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our ($opt_v, $opt_D, $opt_d, $opt_n, $opt_q, $opt_p, $opt_c, $opt_L,
$opt_B, $opt_I, $opt_i, $opt_x);
---
our ($opt_v, $opt_D, $opt_d, $opt_n, $opt_q, $opt_p, $opt_c, $opt_L, $opt_B,
$opt_I, $opt_i, $opt_x, $opt_r);
46c46
getopts('vchixDdnf:F:qpS:L:B:I',
---
getopts('vchixDdnf:F:qpS:L:B:Ir',
158a159,191
}
if($opt_r) {
# calculate dependencies to be removed:
# 1. Not installed manually
# 2. Not dependecy for other package
# bfs over the graph of packages
my @q = @todo; # queue of bfs
@todo = (); # the new todo will include previous
# and dependecies packages
while(@q) {
my $pkg = pop @q;
# pkg to delete
unshift (@todo, $pkg);
for my $dep (OpenBSD::Requiring-new($pkg)-list) {
my @dependents =
OpenBSD::RequiredBy-compute_closure($dep);
# calculate @dependen...@q-@todo. We don't care about
the
# packages that will be removed anyway.
my %qh = map {($_, 1)} @q;
my %todoh = map {($_, 1)} @todo;
@dependents = grep {not($qh{$_} or $todoh{$_} or ($_ eq
$dep))} @dependents;
# check if $dep was manually installed
my $manual =
OpenBSD::PackingList-from_installation($dep)-has('manual-installation');
unshift (@q, $dep) unless (@dependents or $manual);
}
}
Re: boot disk ??? closed
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:02 AM, PJaf.gour...@videotron.ca wrote: Michael wrote: PJ, you wrote (in part) I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! I'd say you are making assumptions and not looking at the problem as a whole. I suggest we close this topic as it is wearisome and not going anywhere...forget all this nonselse, I'll figure it out by myself...and with a few leads from someof the nicer guys on the list... they know who they are... So, drop it... and amici come prima PJ It's not I who is having problems. I think it's OpenBSD. http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=124950952927714w=2 I already posted wherefrom - openBSD ftp site; the burning was done exaactly the same as for the FreeBSD and many other files without ever having any problems... and I mean, EVER ! http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=124951048129354w=2 -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org
