Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)
On 06/06/2010, at 12:29 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > Don't act like this is normal. Where in the archives has this been reported? > Like I said, I appreciate the difference and the suggestions. The > archives require this post, because it is unexpected. Thanks for the > help. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade-old.html#20070327 that work is ongoing.
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Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64
On Jun 05 12:25:03, Uwe Dippel wrote: > Philip Guenther gmail.com> writes: > > > Please point to the part of the Upgrade Guide which talks about > > building from source, untarring the src tar file, or applying errata. > > I can't seem to find any such reference, but I'm sure it's in there > > somewhere, because you originally said that you did the upgrade > > exactly following the upgrade guide and, as we found out later, your > > steps included building from source. > > You misread what I did. I was following the Upgrade Guide to the dot, following > "Applying patches in OpenBSD" to the dot, and then the instructions in the patch > files. To the dot. "Applying the patches in OpenBSD" says clearly that after applying the patches, you can _build_the_kernel_ as normal, which sends you to faq5.html#Building (a broken link BTW) that tells you about /usr/obj. > This is where my unfortunate quarrel with Jacob came from, > when he said I was building userland, and I insisted I was applying errata. Applying errata means patching the files and then building either kernel or userland as normal. Right?
Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 2:01 AM, David Gwynne wrote: > > On 06/06/2010, at 12:29 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: > >> Don't act like this is normal. Where in the archives has this been reported? >> Like I said, I appreciate the difference and the suggestions. The >> archives require this post, because it is unexpected. Thanks for the >> help. > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade-old.html#20070327 > > that work is ongoing. Nice! Thanks! And thanks to all those who took time to respond.
Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > On 6/5/10 10:56 PM, Neal Hogan wrote: >> >> I had not determined that. . . I did not see where somebody's HDDs >> were interpreted differently. > > Hi Neal, > > It's not the HHD that is interpreted differently, it's the changes and > improvement to the controller that is better supported in 4.7 then before. > > Look at the DMESG again and you will see it. > > The way to think about it if I may suggest an analogy is like for network > cards. There is a hell of a lots of them that are n2000 compatible, but they > are not all the same. Over time if you design a driver that take advantage > of some feature of your network card, then it may well not be seen as n2000 > compatible anymore but as it's real hardware design. > > So, before you had your controller using a compatible mode if you want to > access your drive, but then it was improve and you get additional feature, > speed and all. > > Or would you have prefer that OpenBSD didn't work at all with your > controller, meaning not even offering you the possibility of using a > different driver that allow you to use your hardware. I suspect that you > wouldn't have not wanted the possibility of using your computer right? Or am > I wrong? > > Your system benefit from improvement now that wasn't there before. So be > happy and use it instead of seeing it as a flaw and raise objection to it. > > But you can also tell me to get lost and that's fine too. But that's the > logic you should take the improvement as. > > There is always improvement to the system at each release. > > Example of this, today I watch the presentation on mdocml and to be honest I > was very surprise to learn that the roff, troff, nroff, what ever variations > of *off was a real turn off! (;> It include no less the 700 files in base, > 200K lines of code and around 50K line of C++ alone, etc and obviously is > all GPL. All sooner or later will go and is already in the system now and > much faster by a factor of 60 or so in speed and <10K lines of code, meaning > 200K down to 10K or 20 time smaller. > > So, following your logic they shouldn't do these then? > > I think it's much better to keep going and at that rate every improvement > like this reduce bugs, improve security and all. Even if thee isn't any bug > known yet, logic dictate that no matter what, less code reduce the chances > of bugs and all. > > So, be happy that your system got better and do not need to be use in > compatible mode now if you want to thin about it that way. > > If you keep complaining about improvement, well, you may one day not get any > at all, then what!? Be grateful for what you got and be happy that your > systen work better now then it was a few months ago. Thanks for the response, Daniel. I want you and the rest of the community to be assured that I was not complaining. I'm happy about the improvements, but was shocked to see the difference and was unsure how to deal with it. I apologize if I came across as a whiner. -Neal
Re: Daily digest, Issue 1825 (34 messages)
2010/6/6 : > From: Theo de Raadt > To: Philip Guenther > Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 13:58:07 -0600 > Subject: Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64 >> > I was following the Upgrade Guide to the dot, following >> > "Applying patches in OpenBSD" to the dot, >> >> This thread perhaps wouldn't have happened if you hadn't waited until >> your 13th message to describe that last part. You now have and now it >> seems the core discussion is just about whether (or where) an >> additional "rm -rf /usr/obj/*" should be added to help people that > ^^ >> know enough to set up the source tree for building/patching by >> untaring src.tar.gz but don't know to remove the obj tree at the same >> time.I'm just glad to hear that it's PEBCAK instead of some >> bizarre bug in the kernel or installer. > > Not people. One person, Two people - happened to me too. > who (a) miscommunicated, He omitted something important in his issue report, annoying to those trying to help but it happens. > (b) thought he was smart enough and wasn't. Guilty plea from me, can't speak for the OP. I've learnt something, I hope any others in this situation will look at this way too. Sorry about the noise, but this thread has been useful to me and I appreciate the OP posting his experience.
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Re: make(1): should := expand twice?
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 02:22:27PM +0200, Marc Espie wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:13:59AM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: > > > > Would a patch for this be desirable? I have very limited hacking time, > > but I could try to come up with something over the weekend/next week. It > > should, of course, be extensively tested before applying. > > > > (OTOH, the current behaviour is sufficiently surprising that I'd expect > > any Makefiles not explicitly written for BSD make to assume the GNU > > behaviour.) > > Whenever I'll have time, I'll sit down and see what the correct behavior > should be. > > Don't waste your time on patches right now. I'll veto them until I've > formed an opinion. The current behavior has no logical reason to change. := is documented as doing something sensible. This is an extension to POSIX 1003.1 anyways, so what you're trying to do isn't portable (well, not in the way you do it anyways, especially since sed -re isn't portable either...) I ought to document that Xmas tree operators like :+= work, as well ;)
ral(4) power save mode
Hi, ral(4) manpage says: "Host AP mode doesn't support power saving. Clients attempting to use power saving mode may experience significant packet loss (disabling power saving on the client will fix this)." Anyone has an hint how to disable power save mode on OS X based clients? Thanks, Regards, Jvrg
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Re: No SSH on External Interfaces After pf.conf Rewrite for Load Balancing Outgoing Traffic
Thanks for the reply IC1igo. I can't test it until Monday when I get back in the office; I will surely let you know then. don.. On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:10 AM, IC1igo Ortiz de Urbina wrote: Did this fix the issue? -- Forwarded message -- From: Devin Reade Date: Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:38 AM Subject: Re: No SSH on External Interfaces After pf.conf Rewrite for Load Balancing Outgoing Traffic To: Misc OpenBSD dontek wrote: In rewriting the ruleset I've had no problems with connectivity with the exception of getting an SSH connection to the firewall to work on either of the two external interfaces. [...] pass log quick on $EXT_IF_1 inet proto tcp from any to ($EXT_IF_1) port ssh keep state pass log quick on $EXT_IF_2 inet proto tcp from any to ($EXT_IF_2) port ssh keep state Use reply-to for your ssh rules: pass log quick on $EXT_IF_1 inet proto tcp from any to ($EXT_IF_1) port ssh keep state reply-to ($EXT_IF_1 $EXT_GATE_1) (And for the 2nd one, too) Devin
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Re: PF BINAT on entire /24 subnet
Hello, Thanks for the tips. Your site is a great resource BTW. Will try this out tonight when traffic is low. Will post results. Cheers, On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 12:15 -0400, Calomel Org wrote: > Paolo, > > You may need to use the bitmask directive. > > bitmask - grafts the network portion of the pool address over top of > the address that is being modified (source address for nat-to rules, > destination address for rdr-to rules). > > Example: if the address pool is 192.0.2.1/24 and the address being > modified is 10.0.0.50, then the resulting address will be 192.0.2.50. > If the address pool is 192.0.2.1/25 and the address being modified is > 10.0.0.130, then the resulting address will be 192.0.2.2. > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/pools.html > > -- >Calomel @ https://calomel.org >Open Source Research and Reference > > > On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 11:41:43AM -0400, Paolo Reyes Balleza wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >I was using pf's (OBSD 4.6) binat for openvpn purposes with > >192.168.0.0/24 binatted to 192.0.2.0/24 since I can't renumber the local > >LAN to avoid the overlap. > > > >This doesn't work with current: > >match on tun0 from 192.168.0.0/24 to any binat-to 192.0.2.0/24 > >for the entire subnet any more. > > > >Everything gets routed to 192.168.0.0 no matter what "external" host > >address I use. It used to be that 192.0.2.1 would map out to > >192.168.0.1. > > > >One to one mapping does work though. > > > >Is this the new behaviour of pf? > > > >Just asking because it'd be a PITA to map each host. > > > >Cheers and thanks in advance.
Re: ral(4) power save mode
On 6/6/2010 8:26 AM, Jvrg Zinke wrote: Hi, ral(4) manpage says: "Host AP mode doesn't support power saving. Clients attempting to use power saving mode may experience significant packet loss (disabling power saving on the client will fix this)." Anyone has an hint how to disable power save mode on OS X based clients? Thanks, Regards, Jvrg You seem to have accidentally posted to an OpenBSD mailing list when you meant to post to one for Macs.
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Re: PF BINAT on entire /24 subnet
Hello again, Worked by just adding the bitmask directive to the binat rule. match on tun0 from 192.168.0.0/24 to any binat-to 192.0.2.0/24 bitmask Thanks a lot. Your tip + RTFM = WIN! :D Cheers On Sat, 2010-06-05 at 12:15 -0400, Calomel Org wrote: > Paolo, > > You may need to use the bitmask directive. > > bitmask - grafts the network portion of the pool address over top of > the address that is being modified (source address for nat-to rules, > destination address for rdr-to rules). > > Example: if the address pool is 192.0.2.1/24 and the address being > modified is 10.0.0.50, then the resulting address will be 192.0.2.50. > If the address pool is 192.0.2.1/25 and the address being modified is > 10.0.0.130, then the resulting address will be 192.0.2.2. > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/pools.html > > -- >Calomel @ https://calomel.org >Open Source Research and Reference > > > On Sat, Jun 05, 2010 at 11:41:43AM -0400, Paolo Reyes Balleza wrote: > >Hello all, > > > >I was using pf's (OBSD 4.6) binat for openvpn purposes with > >192.168.0.0/24 binatted to 192.0.2.0/24 since I can't renumber the local > >LAN to avoid the overlap. > > > >This doesn't work with current: > >match on tun0 from 192.168.0.0/24 to any binat-to 192.0.2.0/24 > >for the entire subnet any more. > > > >Everything gets routed to 192.168.0.0 no matter what "external" host > >address I use. It used to be that 192.0.2.1 would map out to > >192.168.0.1. > > > >One to one mapping does work though. > > > >Is this the new behaviour of pf? > > > >Just asking because it'd be a PITA to map each host. > > > >Cheers and thanks in advance.
"no current hypenation language?"
Many times, I am building X and I will run into this issue a lot. I have done a lot of googling, and mailing list checks, but no one appears to have had this error... Can someone shine some light on this? libXaw causes me the biggest issues, and any build I do fails here or with "libXext". I build my kernel, and then userland and then X. I don't usually reboot after userland is built, as the FAQ doesn't specifically say that I need to, unlike when I build kernel. /usr/bin/groff -Tps -t -ms -dxV="libXaw 1.0.7" /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/macros.t /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/strings.mit /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/strings.xaw /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TPage_Credits /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH1 /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH2 /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH3.intro /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Command /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Grip /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Label /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/List /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Panner /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Repeater /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Scrollbar /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Simple /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/StripChart /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Toggle /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH4.intro /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/SimpleMenu /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/SmeBSB /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/SmeLine /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Sme /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/MenuButton /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH5.intro /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextActions /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextFuncs /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/AsciiText /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/AsciiSource /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/AsciiSink /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextCustom /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Text /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextSource /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextSink /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH6.intro /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Box /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Dialog /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Form /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Paned /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Porthole /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Tree /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Viewport /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH7.intro /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Template 2> index.raw > widgets.ps /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/strings.mit:10: no current hyphenation language *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/obj/spec (line 440 of Makefile). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/obj (line 363 of Makefile). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/obj (line 249 of Makefile). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw (line 142 of /usr/X11R6/share/mk/bsd.xorg.mk). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw (line 203 of /usr/X11R6/share/mk/bsd.xorg.mk). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib (line 48 of /usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk). *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/xenocara (line 48 of /usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk).
Re: "no current hypenation language?"
On Sun, Jun 06, 2010 at 09:53:45PM -0500, Bryan wrote: > Many times, I am building X and I will run into this issue a lot. I > have done a lot of googling, and mailing list checks, but no one > appears to have had this error... > > Can someone shine some light on this? libXaw causes me the biggest > issues, and any build I do fails here or with "libXext". I build my > kernel, and then userland and then X. I don't usually reboot after > userland is built, as the FAQ doesn't specifically say that I need to, > unlike when I build kernel. This is fixed in -current, with a reversion of an optimistic groff tweak. Ken > > > /usr/bin/groff -Tps -t -ms -dxV="libXaw 1.0.7" > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/macros.t > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/strings.mit > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/strings.xaw > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TPage_Credits > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH1 /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH2 > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH3.intro > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Command > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Grip /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Label > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/List > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Panner > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Repeater > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Scrollbar > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Simple > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/StripChart > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Toggle > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH4.intro > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/SimpleMenu > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/SmeBSB > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/SmeLine > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Sme > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/MenuButton > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH5.intro > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextActions > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextFuncs > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/AsciiText > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/AsciiSource > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/AsciiSink > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextCustom > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Text > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextSource > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/TextSink > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH6.intro > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Box /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Dialog > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Form /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Paned > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Porthole > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Tree > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Viewport > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/CH7.intro > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/Template 2> index.raw > widgets.ps > /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/spec/strings.mit:10: no current hyphenation language > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/obj/spec (line 440 of Makefile). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/obj (line 363 of Makefile). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw/obj (line 249 of Makefile). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw (line 142 of > /usr/X11R6/share/mk/bsd.xorg.mk). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib/libXaw (line 203 of > /usr/X11R6/share/mk/bsd.xorg.mk). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/xenocara/lib (line 48 of /usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk). > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/xenocara (line 48 of /usr/share/mk/bsd.subdir.mk).
Free PF ruleset 4.7
I'm writing (in French) a guide about how to protect Company using OpenBSD and PF. Here a sample : http://mouedine.net/ruleset47.aspx If you have advices ... Thank's!
