Sil 3112a drive timeout.
Hello! My backup server ran out of space and I got my hands on a SATA pci card carrying a Sil 3112a chip. The problem beeing that when booting bsd the drive timeout with a message like: pciide0:0:0: not ready, st=0xd0BSY,DRDY,DSC, err=0x00 pciide0 channel 0: reset failed for drive 0 wd0c: device timeout reading fsbn 0 (wd0 bn 0; cn 0 tn 0 sn 0), retrying I have flashed the motherboard and SATA controller bios:es to the latest version. For the SATA controller i used the non-RAID base image. Booting bsd.rd works without any problems. Booting bsd from 4.4 works without any problems. Booting bsd from 4.5 or later stops with a timeout. So I am going to start with 4.4 and work my way forwards if there aren't any better ideas. boot bsd.rd booting hd0a:bsd.rd: 5897688+943444 [61+224624+213013]=0x6f1290 entry point at 0x200120 Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Copyright (c) 1995-2010 OpenBSD. All rights reserved. http://www.OpenBSD.org OpenBSD 4.8-current (RAMDISK_CD) #225: Sat Dec 4 12:21:11 MST 2010 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.23 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM real mem = 1073250304 (1023MB) avail mem = 1048756224 (1000MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 09/16/02, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfa1d0, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0120 (38 entries) bios0: vendor Award Software International, Inc. version 6.00 PG date 09/16/2002 bios0: EVERCOM NETWORK 8IRX acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 100MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (HUB0) bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xc000 0xcc000/0x5000 pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 Intel 82845 Host rev 0x04 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 Intel 82845 AGP rev 0x04 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 ppb1 at pci0 dev 30 function 0 Intel 82801BA Hub-to-PCI rev 0x05 pci2 at ppb1 bus 2 vga1 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 ATI Mach64 rev 0x5c wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) pciide0 at pci2 dev 2 function 0 CMD Technology SiI3112 SATA rev 0x02: DMA pciide0: using apic 2 int 22 (irq 15) for native-PCI interrupt pciide0: port 0: device present, speed: 1.5Gb/s wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: WDC WD2500PD-07FZB1 wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 238475MB, 488397168 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using BIOS timings, Ultra-DMA mode 5 em0 at pci2 dev 4 function 0 Intel PRO/1000XT (82544EI) rev 0x02: apic 2 int 18 (irq 11), address 00:02:b3:e6:fa:5b pcib0 at pci0 dev 31 function 0 Intel 82801BA LPC rev 0x05 Intel 82801BA SMBus rev 0x05 at pci0 dev 31 function 3 not configured isa0 at pcib0 isadma0 at isa0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com0: console pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 rd0: fixed, 3872 blocks softraid0 at root root on rd0a swap on rd0b dump on rd0b erase ^?, werase ^W, kill ^U, intr ^C, status ^T boot boot bsd booting hd0a:bsd: 8186428+1090024 [61+369696+355596]=0x989f2c entry point at 0x200120 [ using 725768 bytes of bsd ELF symbol table ] Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Copyright (c) 1995-2010 OpenBSD. All rights reserved. http://www.OpenBSD.org OpenBSD 4.8-current (GENERIC) #510: Sat Dec 4 12:03:30 MST 2010 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.20GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 2.23 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM real mem = 1073250304 (1023MB) avail mem = 1045643264 (997MB) mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 09/16/02, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfa1d0, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0120 (38 entries) bios0: vendor Award Software International, Inc. version 6.00 PG date 09/16/2002 bios0: EVERCOM NETWORK 8IRX acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC acpi0: wakeup devices SLPB(S5) HUB0(S4) USB0(S1) USB1(S1) PCI0(S4) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: apic clock running at 100MHz ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 2 (HUB0) acpicpu0 at acpi0 acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn1 at acpi0: SLPB bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xc000 0xcc000/0x5000
Re: rum(4) ohci scheduling overruns in current/i386
Jacob Meuser wrote: you're not even using the ohci (i.e. this is most likely bad/dying hardware) On Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 11:55:49PM +0100, Mattieu Baptiste wrote: Hi all, I decided to upgrade my soekris net5501 (from a snapshot around september 7) to -current. I had in the past random ohci scheduling overruns, resulting in an unusable rum(4). But ifconfig down/up solves the problem. Now I have a lot of ohci scheduling overruns just after boot and my rum(4) isn't usable. Here is a dmesg: Jacob Mattieu, I get these from time to time on my Soekris net5501 too. A reboot seems to fix the problem. It is not dying hardware. If it was, I wouldn't continue to use the machine. Tom
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Re: rum(4) ohci scheduling overruns in current/i386
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Tom Murphy open...@pertho.net wrote: I get these from time to time on my Soekris net5501 too. A reboot seems to fix the problem. It is not dying hardware. If it was, I wouldn't continue to use the machine. Yes... rebooting the machine three times didn't help. But powering off and then powering on fixed the problem. Really strange these soekris... Sorry for this non-issue. -- Mattieu Baptiste /earth is 102% full ... please delete anyone you can.
Re: Donations
On 5 December 2010 17:05, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US managed news, and need to much much more informed It's in the US news. Even the mainstream news on TV. At least in Silicon Valley. ;-) No, it isn't in the US news. The US news is all about the messenger, to distract you from reading the message. If you think it is in the US news, you have a long way to go. guardian.co.uk/world is the best place to read the *message*. I would love to witness the theory that people can bring about change by voting with their dollars, but nowadays there never seems to be enough willing to prove that a big enough dent can be made to bring about positive change. I fear that convenience matters more to a lot of people than say a political adviser publicly calling for the assassination of a messenger who is just communicating the wrong doings of the most powerful against the weakest. Still, I want to continue to hope and where possible at least try to be the change I want to see in the World, as that saying goes. So, 1. login to eBay 2. Click the Profile tab 3. Click close account 4. Prove I am me 5. etc (wait for my last bloody transaction to complete before they allow me to leave!) 6. Hopefully get presented with a Why? form so I can tell them to burn in hell for selling out to the Worlds biggest and most dangerous terrorist group. My last donation recently to OpenBSD and the biggest since I started using OpenBSD with 2.5 in 1999/2000, was via PayPal. And I used PayPal for lots of other things for years. My next donation will be via other means. Cheers, Shane J Pearson --- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.
Re: Donations
On 12/05/2010 01:05 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: If you think it is in the US news, you have a long way to go. guardian.co.uk/world is the best place to read the *message*. http://feeds.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/world/rss nice, thanks! -- Paul Cartwright
Re: RSS/Atom feed reader
punoseva...@gmail.com (Predrag Punosevac), 2010.12.05 (Sun) 06:42 (CET): As the title says I am in the search for a good RSS/Atom feed reader preferably for console(ncurses). I tried two of them from the ports: snownews and rawdog. I really like snownews but it seems that it has some problems with RSS 2.0. Even worse I have been not being able to used with Atom feeds inspite the fact that I installed atom2rss extension. I use snownews rarely (though I like it) and dug in to my ~/.snownews/urls file to find lines like: http://www.heise.de/ct/rss/artikel-atom.xml|heise c't-Themen||\ xsltproc /usr/local/share/snownews/atom2rss.xsl - checked and it works. Are you using it this way? Bye, Marcus
Re: Donations
On 5 December 2010 22:20, SJP Lists sjp.li...@flashbsd.net wrote: On 5 December 2010 17:05, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US managed news, and need to much much more informed It's in the US news. Even the mainstream news on TV. At least in Silicon Valley. ;-) No, it isn't in the US news. The US news is all about the messenger, to distract you from reading the message. If you think it is in the US news, you have a long way to go. guardian.co.uk/world is the best place to read the *message*. I would love to witness the theory that people can bring about change by voting with their dollars, but nowadays there never seems to be enough willing to prove that a big enough dent can be made to bring about positive change. I fear that convenience matters more to a lot of people than say a political adviser publicly calling for the assassination of a messenger who is just communicating the wrong doings of the most powerful against the weakest. Still, I want to continue to hope and where possible at least try to be the change I want to see in the World, as that saying goes. So, 1. login to eBay 2. Click the Profile tab 3. Click close account 4. Prove I am me 5. etc (wait for my last bloody transaction to complete before they allow me to leave!) 6. Hopefully get presented with a Why? form so I can tell them to burn in hell for selling out to the Worlds biggest and most dangerous terrorist group. My last donation recently to OpenBSD and the biggest since I started using OpenBSD with 2.5 in 1999/2000, was via PayPal. And I used PayPal for lots of other things for years. My next donation will be via other means. Cheers, Shane J Pearson --- When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle. Oh and since PayPal are owned by eBay, here's a list of eBay acquisitions, which might need to receive a message of some sort: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_acquisitions_by_eBay
[SOLVED] Re: Killing nfsd and then running netstat -m causes lockup
A fix for this has just been committed to -current by kette...@. Thanks again Mark. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com wrote: While looking into why one of my OpenBSD machines was locking up on occasion, I have uncovered a series of repeatable steps that now reproduces the issue on all OpenBSD machines I've tried it on--so I've decided to start a new thread in the hopes of seeing it resolved. Here are the steps: # portmap # mountd # nfsd # netstat -m 36 mbufs in use: 30 mbufs allocated to data 2 mbufs allocated to packet headers 4 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 6/18/6144 mbuf 2048 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 4/12/6144 mbuf 4096 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 8192 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 9216 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 12288 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 16384 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 0/8/6144 mbuf 65536 byte clusters in use (current/peak/max) 268 Kbytes allocated to network (13% in use) 0 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines # pkill nfsd # netstat -m At this point the CPU is completely utilized, no panic is reported at the console and the console is unresponsive. Since this is reproducible on all GENERIC machines I've tried it on, I assume a dmesg is unneeded. I can reproduce the problem on all 4.8-stable systems I've tried it on and a recent snapshot. Any thoughts appreciated.
Re: [SOLVED] Re: Running systat queues Leads to System Hang
On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Daniel Melameth dan...@melameth.com wrote: On my firewall at home, on occasion, running systat queues leaves me with an unresponsive system. pings are not returned and the keyboard at the console is unresponsive. Sometimes the command works fine and sometimes it does not--though it does seem the issue is more likely to occur when the system has an uptime of more than a week or two. I'm uncertain how to troubleshoot this further and I have been unable to reproduce the issue on other 4.7-stable systems (though these other systems are not running the same hardware and software). I upgraded the system several days ago to a snapshot from just before the hackathon, and the system appeared more stable, but I can now also instantly kill the box by running netstat -m after about five days of uptime. Ideas appreciated... FWIW, I thought I'd chime back with an update on this... I was able to reproduce the issue readily with 4.8-stable AND with different hardware, but I have been been unable to reproduce this since running a snapshot from November 7. The box currently has 14 days of uptime and numerous netstats and systats have not been able to hang it. Well, it would appear I spoke too soon. After 22 days of uptime, a simple netstat -m again caused the box to lockup and I was left with an unresponsive console and no apparent panic. For the archives, this issue is now resolved. I was able to isolate the problem to nfsd and a fix has just been committed to -current--see http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/nfs/nfs_syscalls.c revision 1.92 for details (it appears this issue might have been introduced in revision 1.83.)
Re: RSS/Atom feed reader
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Predrag Punosevac punoseva...@gmail.com wrote: As the title says I am in the search for a good RSS/Atom feed reader preferably for console(ncurses). I tried two of them from the ports: snownews and rawdog. I really like snownews but it seems that it has some problems with RSS 2.0. Even worse I have been not being able to used with Atom feeds inspite the fact that I installed atom2rss extension. I have also heard about Newsbeuter (coded by the same guy who wrote tpp which is recently ported). Has anybody tried to port it to OpenBSD? newsbeuter depends on a lib which can't be ported to openbsd yet. There's also www/raggle.. Landry
``login(1) -f'' usage
When I use ``login -f $USER'' in default shell I am prompted for ``Password:''. What am I getting wrong about login(1) saying: -f The -f option is used when a user name is specified to indicate that proper authentication has already been done and that no password need be requested. This option may only be used by the superuser or when an already logged in user is logging in as themselves. (It works as expected when run as root or with sudo, though) Please hit me with the clue stick! Bye, Marcus
Re: Donations
Theo == Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org writes: Theo If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US Theo managed news, and need to much much more informed If this is in reference to Wikileaks, it's because Paypal believes that Wikileaks is involved in illegal activity, and to some degree, I agree with them. (I believe a lot of the diplomatic actions we do in the US are wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right.) Are you planning on having the OpenBSD development team perform some sort of illegal activity soon? If not, you shouldn't be worried about Paypal. If it's not about Wikileaks, google searches don't show anything else particularly interesting about Paypal recently, so I wonder what triggered your message. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion
Re: Donations
Theo If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US Theo managed news, and need to much much more informed If this is in reference to Wikileaks, it's because Paypal believes that Wikileaks is involved in illegal activity, and to some degree, I agree with them. (I believe a lot of the diplomatic actions we do in the US are wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right.) Knowing the truth is never wrong. Those diplomats are supposed to be your servants, not your masters. And what happened to due process? Imagine I turned it around: Randal L. Schwartz, I believe you are involved in illegal activity. Are you planning on having the OpenBSD development team perform some sort of illegal activity soon? If not, you shouldn't be worried about Paypal. You have it entirely backwards. If it's not about Wikileaks, google searches don't show anything else particularly interesting about Paypal recently, so I wonder what triggered your message. You are only reading US media. There you said it as well, google. Hah.
Re: Donations
On 12/5/2010 12:10 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Theo == Theo de Raadtdera...@cvs.openbsd.org writes: Theo If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US Theo managed news, and need to much much more informed If this is in reference to Wikileaks, it's because Paypal believes that Wikileaks is involved in illegal activity, and to some degree, I agree with them. (I believe a lot of the diplomatic actions we do in the US are wrong, but two wrongs don't make a right.) Are you planning on having the OpenBSD development team perform some sort of illegal activity soon? If not, you shouldn't be worried about Paypal. If it's not about Wikileaks, google searches don't show anything else particularly interesting about Paypal recently, so I wonder what triggered your message. Hi, The problem is with your statement PayPal believes. PayPal is run by people. Those people have made an arbitrary decision. Sure, if the people that run WikiLeaks are CONVICTED of a crime, then, and only then they might be justified to pull WikiLeaks account. The next time, what are the PayPal people going to arbitrarily decide is wrong. If some company actually used OpenBSD to make a baby mulching machine, would they cut off OpenBSD donations without anyone in OpenBSD being convicted of a crime? Perhaps they would even confiscate the money in OpenBSD's PayPal account. Per http://www.paypalsucks.com/, ...but someone pays you with a stolen credit card, your account (by PayPal's own admission) is immediately flagged as being criminal behavior and any money in that account is confiscated. PayPal does suck. I've been forced to try to use it from South America (when I live in Canada), and it won't let you! I had to take a bus for a day to get to the office to be able to hand them cash. Cheers, Steve
Re: Donations
Are you planning on having the OpenBSD development team perform some sort of illegal activity soon? If not, you shouldn't be worried about Paypal. You're discussing intent. Intent is a tricky thing that in the past lawyers had to jump through hoops to prove in the (fed)nited States. Now with the (un)Patriot Act and other legislation they can rely on the whole notion of pre-crime. Seems like most of America is happy with point and click hegemony and I'm glad the Internet is trying to block the interrupts.
qemu core dumped
After my cdrom arrived; I upgraded to 4.8 -release soon after packages
became available online. I don't use qemu often; but when I tried to
run it after upgrade; I get core dump. I don't use kqemu.
I invoke qemu using same options (saved in file) as worked in 4.7:
$ pkg_info | grep qemu
qemu-0.12.4p0 multi system emulator
$ export ETHER=em0 ; sudo -E qemu -m 440 -net nic,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0
-localtime -monitor stdio /home/fbax/qemu/Win98C.cow -hdb
/home/fbax/qemu/Win98D.cow
{tun0 (bridge0 - em0)}
Abort trap (core dumped)
Did something change that I might be unaware of?
What is the next step in resolving this problem?
Re: Donations
- Original Message - | Are you planning on having the OpenBSD development team perform | some | sort of illegal activity soon? | | If not, you shouldn't be worried about Paypal. | | | You're discussing intent. Intent is a tricky thing that in the past | lawyers | had to jump through hoops to prove in the (fed)nited States. Now with | the | (un)Patriot Act and other legislation they can rely on the whole | notion of | pre-crime. | | Seems like most of America is happy with point and click hegemony | and I'm | glad the Internet is trying to block the interrupts. I don't understand the worry about these pre-cogs Minority report proved the theory to be infallible. :) -- James A. Peltier Systems Analyst (FASNet), VIVARIUM Technical Director Simon Fraser University - Burnaby Campus Phone : 778-782-6573 Fax : 778-782-3045 E-Mail : jpelt...@sfu.ca Website : http://www.fas.sfu.ca | http://vivarium.cs.sfu.ca http://blogs.sfu.ca/people/jpeltier MSN : subatomic_s...@hotmail.com
Re: qemu core dumped
On 12/05/10 15:58, Frank Bax wrote:
After my cdrom arrived; I upgraded to 4.8 -release soon after packages
became available online. I don't use qemu often; but when I tried to run
it after upgrade; I get core dump. I don't use kqemu.
I invoke qemu using same options (saved in file) as worked in 4.7:
$ pkg_info | grep qemu
qemu-0.12.4p0 multi system emulator
$ export ETHER=em0 ; sudo -E qemu -m 440 -net nic,vlan=0 -net tap,vlan=0
-localtime -monitor stdio /home/fbax/qemu/Win98C.cow -hdb
/home/fbax/qemu/Win98D.cow
{tun0 (bridge0 - em0)}
Abort trap (core dumped)
Did something change that I might be unaware of?
What is the next step in resolving this problem?
I just read /usr/local/share/doc/qemu/README.OpenBSD
I'm using amd64, but not -net user; I revised my cmd anyway and it still
crashes...
$ sudo env ETHER=em0 qemu -net nic,model=rtl8139 -net tap -m 440
-localtime /home/fbax/qemu/Win98C.cow -hdb /home/fbax/qemu/Win98D.cow
{tun0 (bridge0 - em0)}
Abort trap (core dumped)
Re: Donations
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Theo == Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org writes: Theo If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US Theo managed news, and need to much much more informed Assuming you're talking about PayPal freezing the WikeLeaks account, Assange could only have been looking for publicity, as nobody but a total idiot would use PayPal for such a political hot potato! I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US system, but at least they ARE predictable. Lee
Re: Donations
On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:41:13 -, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Assuming you're talking about PayPal freezing the WikeLeaks account, Assange could only have been looking for publicity, as nobody but a total idiot would use PayPal for such a political hot potato! You talk like Assange did something wrong. The right to free press is never wrong. Theo asking donations are not given to a company that arbitrarily decide if/when they wish to pass that money on, whether driven by the wikileaks cause or not, is a sensible decision. I would not wish my donation to a project eated up by politics along its way. -- Robert Bronsdon
Re: ``login(1) -f'' usage
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 07:58:34PM +0100, MERIGHI Marcus wrote: When I use ``login -f $USER'' in default shell I am prompted for ``Password:''. What am I getting wrong about login(1) saying: -f The -f option is used when a user name is specified to indicate that proper authentication has already been done and that no password need be requested. This option may only be used by the superuser or when an already logged in user is logging in as themselves. (It works as expected when run as root or with sudo, though) Please hit me with the clue stick! Bye, Marcus You fall into the Note that if login is invoked by a non-root user, it will execute su(1) in login emulation mode instead. case. I believe this is a documentation error. -Otto
Re: Donations
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Robert Bronsdon wrote: On Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:41:13 -, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Assuming you're talking about PayPal freezing the WikeLeaks account, Assange could only have been looking for publicity, as nobody but a total idiot would use PayPal for such a political hot potato! You talk like Assange did something wrong. The right to free press is never wrong. Didn't say he did anything *wrong* - I said that he must have planned it for publicity. I would not accuse him of the other possibility, being too dumb as to not anticipate such an action. Theo asking donations are not given to a company that arbitrarily decide if/when they wish to pass that money on, whether driven by the wikileaks cause or not, is a sensible decision. Have you ever tried to read the TOS? Any such organization with unlimited legal resources can do whatever the wish - as long as it's not contrary to the current legal winds, they will get away with it. I would not wish my donation to a project eated up by politics along its way. Agree there - I'm not saying USE PayPal, just that he must have done it for the publicity, as the other possibility does not say much for his intelligence. Lee
Re: Donations
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US system, but at least they ARE predictable. Being predictable is just not enough. Hardly You would enjoy predictibility of You being put to prison on suspection of possibility of You commiting some crime. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff
Re: Donations
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US system, but at least they ARE predictable. Being predictable is just not enough. Hardly You would enjoy predictibility of You being put to prison on suspection of possibility of You commiting some crime. Actually, being predictable ALLOWS planning to avoid such problems! Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. Lee
Re: Donations
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 12:24:49PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: Imagine I turned it around: Randal L. Schwartz, I believe you are involved in illegal activity. Too late - that has already been done to him in the past... -- Brett Lymn Warning: The information contained in this email and any attached files is confidential to BAE Systems Australia. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email or any attachments is expressly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify us immediately. VIRUS: Every care has been taken to ensure this email and its attachments are virus free, however, any loss or damage incurred in using this email is not the sender's responsibility. It is your responsibility to ensure virus checks are completed before installing any data sent in this email to your computer.
Re: RSS/Atom feed reader
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:50 PM, Landry Breuil landry.bre...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Predrag Punosevac punoseva...@gmail.com wrote: As the title says I am in the search for a good RSS/Atom feed reader preferably for console(ncurses). I tried two of them from the ports: snownews and rawdog. I really like snownews but it seems that it has some problems with RSS 2.0. Even worse I have been not being able to used with Atom feeds inspite the fact that I installed atom2rss extension. I have also heard about Newsbeuter (coded by the same guy who wrote tpp which is recently ported). Has anybody tried to port it to OpenBSD? newsbeuter depends on a lib which can't be ported to openbsd yet. There's also www/raggle.. And this is a port for Canto (http://codezen.org/canto/). Ok? Comments? Ciao, David [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/x-gzip which had a name of canto.tgz]
Re: Donations
Theo == Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org writes: Theo If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US Theo managed news, and need to much much more informed Assuming you're talking about PayPal freezing the WikeLeaks account, Assange could only have been looking for publicity, as nobody but a total idiot would use PayPal for such a political hot potato! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/03/wikileaks_on_amazon_ousting/page2.html Since 2007 we have been deliberately placing some of our servers in jurisdictions that we suspected suffered a free speech deficit in order to separate rhetoric from reality, Assange said on Friday during a live chat on The Guardian's website. Amazon was one of these cases. The paypal situation is likely similar. I bet that account which was seized -- WITHOUT DUE PROCESS -- probably being continually simphoned empty by wikileaks, therefore it can also demonstrate a 'due process deficit'. I'm sorry, but is my bet that a failure of due process which affects you much more personally will eventually happen since you live there. I am not attacking you in any way. But it is poor style to mock those who, simply as a side effect, manage to demonstrate that the right of law is not being followed.
Re: Donations
Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. Such an American viewpoint. It didn't work out for Don Quixote either.
Re: RSS/Atom feed reader
Landry Breuil lan...@rhaalovely.net wrote: newsbeuter depends on a lib which can't be ported to openbsd yet. There's also www/raggle.. And this is a port for Canto (http://codezen.org/canto/). I think it should use MODPY_ADJ_FILES if possible, and then i'm ok with it. Thank you so much guys for all your kind answers. These are my comments: @Marcus I still can not get that script (atom2rss) to work but since you confirmed that it works I will try it again. I really like snownews. @Landry I played with www/raggle. The interface reminds me of calcurse. It does everything it needs to do (as described in man pages) except one thing. I can NOT delete feeds. Namely keybinding Delete doesn't work. Keybinding Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down also do not work but they have alternative keys (0,$,j,k). Delete does not have. I have just a regular PS2 keyboard (IBM Type M). Nothing fancy. US layout. Speaking of newsbeuter I had a feeling that you tried porting it. It is sad that things are written in such non-portable way. @David Thank you for the port of Canto. I am compiling as we speak. Cheers, Predrag Punosevac Landry
Re: Donations
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 04:38:09PM -0600, L. V. Lammert wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US system, but at least they ARE predictable. Being predictable is just not enough. Hardly You would enjoy predictability of You being put to prison on suspection of possibility of You committing some crime. Actually, being predictable ALLOWS planning to avoid such problems! Ever head of Don Quixote? The moral of the storey - pick the battles you have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. Lee if nothing else think about the charges they put on every transaction: you sell something on ebay, they charge you; you process their payment through paypal (ebay) they charge you again. they're clearly ripping us all us all off - fact! and to top it all of the charges have become extortionate.
Re: RSS/Atom feed reader
Predrag Punosevac punoseva...@gmail.com wrote: Landry Breuil lan...@rhaalovely.net wrote: newsbeuter depends on a lib which can't be ported to openbsd yet. There's also www/raggle.. And this is a port for Canto (http://codezen.org/canto/). I think it should use MODPY_ADJ_FILES if possible, and then i'm ok with it. Thank you so much guys for all your kind answers. These are my comments: @Marcus I still can not get that script (atom2rss) to work but since you confirmed that it works I will try it again. I really like snownews. @Landry I played with www/raggle. The interface reminds me of calcurse. It does everything it needs to do (as described in man pages) except one thing. I can NOT delete feeds. Namely keybinding Delete doesn't work. Keybinding Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down also do not work but they have alternative keys (0,$,j,k). Delete does not have. I have just a regular PS2 keyboard (IBM Type M). Nothing fancy. US layout. Speaking of newsbeuter I had a feeling that you tried porting it. It is sad that things are written in such non-portable way. @David Thank you for the port of Canto. I am compiling as we speak. Cheers, Predrag Punosevac Landry You will be laughing at this one. My 3.5 year old daughter Ekaterina has fixed my Keybouard problem with raggle. Namely, raggle doesn't recognize Delete key on Type M keyboard. However, it DOES recognize Del key which is equivalent to decimal point . (when NumLock is switched off). Next time before hitting sand I will ask her. Cheers, Predrag
Re: Donations
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Theo de Raadt wrote: Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. Such an American viewpoint. It was intended to be common sense. I'll be the first to agree that some of the companies here in the US don't operate honorably, but, then you should know that in the first place and not complain so loudely when something does happen to prove it. It didn't work out for Don Quixote either. It does make a nice play, however. Lee
Re: [Bulk] Re: Donations
On Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:38:09 -0600 (CST) L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. Operation Chariot - Where british commandos accomplished an impossible mission, with the help of code breakers, contributing to wwIIs greatest battleship being nullified and without it sinking a single ship. I'd say, forget chance, just make good choices of what and when.
Re: PF and States
Hi Jan, This actually happened again really late at night , one thing that strangely happened was that we had nagios setup to monitor CARP state and basically the secondary lb (same config etc) had its carp interface in init state and once again the primary relayd box was displaying problems. Users not being able to get to site and sometimes they could. When I tried to ssh into the box , I couldn't and after couple of retries when I was finally logged in. I try to do relayctl show hosts or relayctl show sessions or any other command. I got error. When I looked at PF states they were around 20K. I logged on to the secondary (backup carp) and of course saw that it was confused. These two boxes are connected directly. No switches or anything. It seems like the secondary box also wasn't able to fully communicate with the MASTER. When the states were back to around 8K, everything was back to normal. I could do relayctl show sessions etc. Very strange this problem!! Is it PF? or relayd? can't really tell but I have to come up with something soon otherwise I would have to part way with this solution. Which I really don't want to :( thx On 12/3/10 11:58 PM, Jan Johansson wrote: Godesidabhee...@aim.com wrote: We recently deployed OBSD4.7 boxes to do load balancing in our environment with relayd. After few hours we encountered problem with the server going beyond 10,000 states. Are you convinced that it is a state problem? In our tests we have found that a default setup of relayd will handle 2540 connections and will then stop responding to new connections might this be the limit you are seeing? Our pf.conf is the default that comes with the install.
Re: Donations
PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Wikileaks solicits the holders of US security clearances to violate their non-disclosure agreements. That is a crime. Some people think it should not be a crime. But it is. Some people think that it matters that WIkileaks says that they do not ask for submissions. That matters about as much as a mob boss saying that he didn't ask anyone to shoot so-and-so, just that wouldn't it be fortunate if someone did? Wikileaks model is predicated on breaking NDAs, and based on what their cite on their front pages, breaking NDAs on US classified information is their biggest product center.
Re: Donations
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:38 PM, L. V. Lammert l...@omnitec.net wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff wrote: On Sun, 5 Dec 2010, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: I agree totally that there are a lot of idiots running parts of the US system, but at least they ARE predictable. Being predictable is just not enough. Hardly You would enjoy predictibility of You being put to prison on suspection of possibility of You commiting some crime. Actually, being predictable ALLOWS planning to avoid such problems! Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you have a chance of winning and avoid the rest. B B B B Lee The moral of the story was that when you are left of all your objectives and believings you suddenly die of sad and oldness. :P
Re: Donations
PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Paypal's terms of use are just that; terms of use. The account was being run by the German charity WHS. Noone has said that wikileaks has commited a crime. What statute are you talking about? Wikileaks solicits the holders of US security clearances to violate their non-disclosure agreements. That is a crime. I hereby ask anyone who holds secrets that the world should know of, which may contain indications of real crimes having been commited should send them to wikileaks. Did I just commit a crime? Oh, remember I do not live in the US. Some people think it should not be a crime. But it is. Some people think that it matters that WIkileaks says that they do not ask for submissions. That matters about as much as a mob boss saying that he didn't ask anyone to shoot so-and-so, just that wouldn't it be fortunate if someone did? Wikileaks model is predicated on breaking NDAs, and based on what their cite on their front pages, breaking NDAs on US classified information is their biggest product center. You think it should be a crime. You just justified skipping due process. I hope that one day due process is denied you.
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Re: Donations
I hope that one day due process is denied you. I am wondering what type of due process should be granted to these individuals. What basis/jurisdiction of law are we talking about? Natural human rights? US law? International Law? I'm just wondering because I think it's critical to the whole discussion. Julian Assange isn't a US citizen so the US Government probably feels justified doing whatever they want even if it is unethical, yet many think he should be protected by some of the US justice code/process. Is due process universal?
Re: Donations
On 12/4/10 9:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: In the future, if people can show preference for the non-Paypal transaction methods when they donate, we would appreciate that over Paypal. Since the projects hackathons (and many other things) are very much funded by donations, it is hard for us to fully dissasociate completely from Paypal. However we can ask and recommend that people pass less money through them. If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US managed news, and need to much much more informed Thanks. I'm very glad to see the OpenBSD project take this position. In fact, I think I'll have to make a donation just because of this.
Re: Daily digest, Issue 1989 (27 messages)
From: shweg...@gmail.com Date: December 3, 2010 6:28:19 AM EST To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: soekris + openbsd server buy question Hello, I'm considering buying a Soekris net5501-70 and install OpenBSD on it to make myself a small server and use it as a proxy (ssh tunnel), it might serve as backup file sever as well. I guess at the most there will be two-three computers connnected at the same time, and there might be some streaming video going through, like the videos you find on online newspapers. I have googled around, and read that this kind of hardware is fine as a router but not so much as a server. Is it true? Thank you for any suggestions. I was also considering using a netbook for the task. What about it? Thanks in advance. after several years of decent service, i've replaced all my soekris boxes with ones built around the alix boards. for low-power openbsd usage, the alix boards are great. they provide built-in hardware crypto, which openbsd is happy with, and are able to handle site-to-site vpn, firewalling, etc. http://pcengines.ch/alix.htm http://store.netgate.com/ALIX2D3-2D13-Kit-Red-Unassembled-P174C82.aspx
Re: Donations
--- On Mon, 12/6/10, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: From: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org Subject: Re: Donations To: Fred Elwood fred.elw...@yahoo.com Cc: misc@openbsd.org Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 1:42 AM PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Paypal's terms of use are just that; terms of use. The account was being run by the German charity WHS. Noone has said that wikileaks has commited a crime. What statute are you talking about? Wikileaks solicits the holders of US security clearances to violate their non-disclosure agreements. That is a crime. I hereby ask anyone who holds secrets that the world should know of, which may contain indications of real crimes having been commited should send them to wikileaks. Did I just commit a crime? No. Oh, remember I do not live in the US. Hypothetical cleared US personnel who took you up on this request WOULD be committing a crime. Some people think it should not be a crime. But it is. Some people think that it matters that WIkileaks says that they do not ask for submissions. That matters about as much as a mob boss saying that he didn't ask anyone to shoot so-and-so, just that wouldn't it be fortunate if someone did? Wikileaks model is predicated on breaking NDAs, and based on what their cite on their front pages, breaking NDAs on US classified information is their biggest product center. You think it should be a crime. You just justified skipping due process. Against whom? Due process rights exist in criminal and civil proceedings, not in business arrangements. Wikileaks has no more due process rights against PayPal than Wim has against you; they might be able to sue for breach of contract, but that's it. Due process has nothing to do with this case. The nickel summary is that due process is not in play if the cops are not directly involved. The crime I am talking about is the crime of the cleared individuals disclosing the classified information. PayPal did not terminate Wikileaks for committing a crime, but for using PayPal in support of their soliciting crimes (unlawful disclosure/conveyance of classified information), which is against their terms of service.
Re: Donations
2010/12/6 Fred Elwood fred.elw...@yahoo.com: PayPal did not terminate Wikileaks for committing a crime, but for using PayPal in support of their soliciting crimes (unlawful disclosure/conveyance Where's the court sentence deciding that Wikileaks is soliciting crimes?
Re: Donations
On 6 December 2010 02:42, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: The account was being run by the German charity WHS. Since it took me a while to find out who they are -- maybe others will appreciate the pointer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wau_Holland_Foundation
Re: Donations
On Dec 4, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US managed news, and need to much much more informed It's in the US news. Even the mainstream news on TV. At least in Silicon Valley. ;-) No, it isn't in the US news. Didn't realize you kept such a close eye on the US news. The US news is all about the messenger, to distract you from reading the message. No, not really. The left and right coast is usually a little better about covering news. And when a high-tech company is involved, the US news in a very heavy high-tech area will, and does, cover it. More than just the typical pablum on national TV. If you think it is in the US news, you have a long way to go. guardian.co.uk/world is the best place to read the *message*. I didn't see anything on the guardian, or the BBC, that was new to me. Granted, I also read /. and digg and others and they have a lot of pointers to the Register, Guardian, etc., so maybe I read it there. But I also read the local newspapers, and they cover the local stuff pretty thoroughly. But don't assume that because I live in the US, with it's godforsaken pile of Jesusland citizens and Banking-industry controlled politicians, that I'm not informed. Sean PS. Banking rules my ass. Bankers do whatever the hell they want, anywhere in the world. Look at Iceland. Paypal is evil. Bankers are the devil incarnate.
