OpenBSD on thinkpad x280
Hi OpenBSD users and devs! I got a new laptop in January, a thinkpad x280. At that time my system running 'current' was very slow and I assumed the video acceleration wasn't working so I just sadly stuck with Debian for a while. I then saw that an update of the inteldrm landed in current a month ago or so so I tried yesterday to reinstall current. Unfortunately the system is still barely usable. Could you guys tell me why the video acceleration isn't handled? Isn't Kaby lake compatible for now? I saw this article (https://jcs.org/2017/05/22/xiaomiair) which says it is. The weird thing is that sometimes the computer is usable (not that fast though) and sometimes it's very slow. Here's the dmesg: >OpenBSD 6.5-current (GENERIC.MP) #38: Thu May 23 22:22:19 MDT 2019 > dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP >real mem = 8322945024 (7937MB) >avail mem = 8060583936 (7687MB) >mpath0 at root >scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets >mainbus0 at root >bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 3.0 @ 0x6f0bb000 (63 entries) >bios0: vendor LENOVO version "N20ET36W (1.21 )" date 09/06/2018 >bios0: LENOVO 20KF001QFR >acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 >acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 >acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT SSDT TPM2 UEFI SSDT SSDT HPET APIC MCFG >ECDT SSDT SSDT BOOT BATB SLIC SSDT SSDT SSDT LPIT WSMT SSDT SSDT SSDT >DBGP DBG2 MSDM DMAR ASF! FPDT UEFI BGRT >acpi0: wakeup devices GLAN(S4) XHC_(S3) XDCI(S4) HDAS(S4) RP01(S4) >PXSX(S4) RP02(S4) PXSX(S4) PXSX(S4) RP04(S4) PXSX(S4) RP05(S4) PXSX(S4) >RP06(S4) PXSX(S4) RP07(S4) [...] >acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits >acpihpet0 at acpi0: 2399 Hz >acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat >cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) >cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.89 MHz, 06-8e-0a >cpu0: >FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 >mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges >cpu0: apic clock running at 23MHz >cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.2.4.1.1.1, IBE >cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) >cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >cpu1: >FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 >cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) >cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >cpu2: >FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0 >cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 6 (application processor) >cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >cpu3: >FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >cpu3: smt 0, core 3, package 0 >cpu4 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) >cpu4: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >cpu4: >FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,
Re: Modern browser for OpenBSD powerpc
Hi, On 5/23/19 8:19 AM, John Gould wrote: Can someone suggest a modern graphical browser for OpenBSD PowerPC? I'm trying to run several G5's and g4 mini's on 6.5 as desktop machines. The basic install works really well but there doesn't seem to be an up to date graphically browser. It's thanks to all the work the devs have put into OpenBSD powerpc that these machine are still very usable. They are hopelessly out of date as far as the Mac OS are concerned! you might try ArcticFox, it has a decent success on Linux PowerPC. Several endianness fixes were imported. It is not "totally" modern, but still more modern than Dillo. Beware that you need at least 1G of RAM to be of decent use with modern websites, 2GB is better. Although it is of PaleMoon heritage and thus Linux/Mac heritage, I fixed compilation on NetBSD, OpenBSD and lately even FreeBSD compiles out of the box. Beware however, that while perfectly usable on older x86, it has no working JIT, so JS intensive websites will be slow on PowerPC. Also compilation on OpenBSD/ppc was never attempted by me, only on Linux/PPC. OpenBSD amd64 however does work. Riccardo [1] : Official Repo: https://github.com/wicknix/Arctic-Fox [2] : My current working fork, which gets regularly pulled into main: https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox
Re: OpenBSD on thinkpad x280
Tristan Pilat writes: > Hi OpenBSD users and devs! > > I got a new laptop in January, a thinkpad x280. At that time my system > running 'current' was very slow and I assumed the video acceleration > wasn't working so I just sadly stuck with Debian for a while. I then > saw that an update of the inteldrm landed in current a month ago or so > so I tried yesterday to reinstall current. Unfortunately the system is > still barely usable. Could you guys tell me why the video acceleration > isn't handled? Isn't Kaby lake compatible for now? I saw this article > (https://jcs.org/2017/05/22/xiaomiair) which says it is. > > The weird thing is that sometimes the computer is usable (not that fast > though) and sometimes it's very slow. > > Here's the dmesg: > >>OpenBSD 6.5-current (GENERIC.MP) #38: Thu May 23 22:22:19 MDT 2019 >> dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP >>real mem = 8322945024 (7937MB) >>avail mem = 8060583936 (7687MB) >>mpath0 at root >>scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets >>mainbus0 at root >>bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 3.0 @ 0x6f0bb000 (63 entries) >>bios0: vendor LENOVO version "N20ET36W (1.21 )" date 09/06/2018 >>bios0: LENOVO 20KF001QFR >>acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 >>acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 >>acpi0: tables DSDT FACP SSDT SSDT TPM2 UEFI SSDT SSDT HPET APIC MCFG >>ECDT SSDT SSDT BOOT BATB SLIC SSDT SSDT SSDT LPIT WSMT SSDT SSDT SSDT >>DBGP DBG2 MSDM DMAR ASF! FPDT UEFI BGRT >>acpi0: wakeup devices GLAN(S4) XHC_(S3) XDCI(S4) HDAS(S4) RP01(S4) >>PXSX(S4) RP02(S4) PXSX(S4) PXSX(S4) RP04(S4) PXSX(S4) RP05(S4) PXSX(S4) >>RP06(S4) PXSX(S4) RP07(S4) [...] >>acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits >>acpihpet0 at acpi0: 2399 Hz >>acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat >>cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) >>cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.89 MHz, 06-8e-0a >>cpu0: >>FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >>cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >>cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 >>mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges >>cpu0: apic clock running at 23MHz >>cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.2.4.1.1.1, IBE >>cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) >>cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >>cpu1: >>FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >>cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >>cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 >>cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 4 (application processor) >>cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >>cpu2: >>FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >>cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >>cpu2: smt 0, core 2, package 0 >>cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 6 (application processor) >>cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >>cpu3: >>FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,RDTSCP,LONG,LAHF,ABM,3DNOWP,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SGX,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,MPX,RDSEED,ADX,SMAP,CLFLUSHOPT,PT,IBRS,IBPB,STIBP,L1DF,SSBD,SENSOR,ARAT,XSAVEOPT,XSAVEC,XGETBV1,XSAVES,MELTDOWN >>cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache >>cpu3: smt 0, core 3, package 0 >>cpu4 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) >>cpu4: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8250U CPU @ 1.60GHz, 1496.51 MHz, 06-8e-0a >>cpu4: >>FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,SDBG,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,A
Re: OpenBSD on thinkpad x280
On 25/05/2019, Timo Myyrä wrote: > Tristan Pilat writes: > >> Hi OpenBSD users and devs! >> >> I got a new laptop in January, a thinkpad x280. At that time my system >> running 'current' was very slow and I assumed the video acceleration >> wasn't working so I just sadly stuck with Debian for a while. I then >> saw that an update of the inteldrm landed in current a month ago or so >> so I tried yesterday to reinstall current. Unfortunately the system is >> still barely usable. Could you guys tell me why the video acceleration >> isn't handled? Isn't Kaby lake compatible for now? I saw this article >> (https://jcs.org/2017/05/22/xiaomiair) which says it is. >> You may have to adjust the aperture See /etc/examples/sysctl.conf #machdep.allowaperture=2# See xf86(4) Good Luck
Re: OpenBSD on thinkpad x280
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 03:53:03PM +0100, Maurice McCarthy wrote: > On 25/05/2019, Timo Myyrä wrote: > > Tristan Pilat writes: > > > >> Hi OpenBSD users and devs! > >> > >> I got a new laptop in January, a thinkpad x280. At that time my system > >> running 'current' was very slow and I assumed the video acceleration > >> wasn't working so I just sadly stuck with Debian for a while. I then > >> saw that an update of the inteldrm landed in current a month ago or so > >> so I tried yesterday to reinstall current. Unfortunately the system is > >> still barely usable. Could you guys tell me why the video acceleration > >> isn't handled? Isn't Kaby lake compatible for now? I saw this article > >> (https://jcs.org/2017/05/22/xiaomiair) which says it is. > >> > > You may have to adjust the aperture > See /etc/examples/sysctl.conf > > #machdep.allowaperture=2 # See xf86(4) > Nope. That does not help. I bet the issue is not related to anything related to inteldrm. It is most probably an interrupt storm happening because of Thunderbolt 3. At least that seems to be something people complained about. -- :wq Claudio
Re: Modern browser for OpenBSD powerpc
Oracle's Beijing Team maintains a port of FF60esr for Solaris/sparc that might be useful (another mostly big-endian arch). https://github.com/oracle/solaris-userland/tree/master/components/desktop/firefox -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sat, 25 May 2019, at 12:54, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > On 5/23/19 8:19 AM, John Gould wrote: > > Can someone suggest a modern graphical browser for OpenBSD PowerPC? > > I'm trying to run > > several G5's and g4 mini's on 6.5 as desktop machines. The basic > > install works really well but there doesn't seem to be an up to date > > graphically browser. > > > > It's thanks to all the work the devs have put into OpenBSD powerpc > > that these machine are still very usable. They are hopelessly out of > > date as far as the Mac OS are concerned! > > > you might try ArcticFox, it has a decent success on Linux PowerPC. > Several endianness fixes were imported. > > It is not "totally" modern, but still more modern than Dillo. Beware > that you need at least 1G of RAM to be of decent use with modern > websites, 2GB is better. > > Although it is of PaleMoon heritage and thus Linux/Mac heritage, I fixed > compilation on NetBSD, OpenBSD and lately even FreeBSD compiles out of > the box. > > > Beware however, that while perfectly usable on older x86, it has no > working JIT, so JS intensive websites will be slow on PowerPC. Also > compilation on OpenBSD/ppc was never attempted by me, only on Linux/PPC. > OpenBSD amd64 however does work. > > > Riccardo > > [1] : Official Repo: https://github.com/wicknix/Arctic-Fox > > [2] : My current working fork, which gets regularly pulled into main: > https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox > > > > >
Re: PF firewall for desktop
I like your suggestion! I am security paranoid to a fault. For me, a system is either rock solid or wide open. obsd is the closest I've found to rock solid, and frankly a virtualbox vm running on win7 feels wide open. But the more I thought about your idea, the more I liked it. Win7 w/o the virtual firewall is more simply at risk, so why not? Seeing as I am still new to OpenBSD, I would probably have 2 vms: bsd1 passes everything incoming to bsd2 (the firewall), then bsd1 quietly logs what goes out to check for nefarious-looking packets. That would take two separate boxes to even start building, without vms. The VMs can fight and die and be replaced, and even a noob like myself can learn what works better and harder. Can't wait to set something up. -Jim On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 3:38 PM Jean-Francois Simon wrote: > Hi, > > Out of interest, I'd like to let you know a specific use of OpenBSD with > PF, in virtualbox, 2 virtual network card Bridged to physical NIC, and > building up a subnet with NAT and hence running Packet Filter as the > machine's firewall. > > > That's the firewall I use under Win7, OpenBSD running in a VM, out of > pure interest into running BSD and let it purify the network access to > desktop (without need for additional hardware). > > > Works well, love it. > > > Jean-François > >
Re: Modern browser for OpenBSD powerpc
On 05/25/19 11:41, Patrick Harper wrote: Oracle's Beijing Team maintains a port of FF60esr for Solaris/sparc that might be useful (another mostly big-endian arch). https://github.com/oracle/solaris-userland/tree/master/components/desktop/firefox Excuse my ignorance but is it really Sparc? When Oracle laid off Ginn Chen, who contributed the Sparc build to Mozilla, I thought that was the end of Firefox on Sparc. jog
Re: Modern browser for OpenBSD powerpc
On 5/25/19 4:00 AM, Riccardo Mottola wrote: Hi, On 5/23/19 8:19 AM, John Gould wrote: Can someone suggest a modern graphical browser for OpenBSD PowerPC? I'm trying to run several G5's and g4 mini's on 6.5 as desktop machines. The basic install works really well but there doesn't seem to be an up to date graphically browser. It's thanks to all the work the devs have put into OpenBSD powerpc that these machine are still very usable. They are hopelessly out of date as far as the Mac OS are concerned! you might try ArcticFox, it has a decent success on Linux PowerPC. Several endianness fixes were imported. It is not "totally" modern, but still more modern than Dillo. Beware that you need at least 1G of RAM to be of decent use with modern websites, 2GB is better. Although it is of PaleMoon heritage and thus Linux/Mac heritage, I fixed compilation on NetBSD, OpenBSD and lately even FreeBSD compiles out of the box. Beware however, that while perfectly usable on older x86, it has no working JIT, so JS intensive websites will be slow on PowerPC. Also compilation on OpenBSD/ppc was never attempted by me, only on Linux/PPC. OpenBSD amd64 however does work. Riccardo [1] : Official Repo: https://github.com/wicknix/Arctic-Fox [2] : My current working fork, which gets regularly pulled into main: https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox If you're going down that path, you should see if you can get TenFourFox to compile. TenFourFox does have a jit and supports altivec. http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ https://github.com/classilla/tenfourfox
Re: Modern browser for OpenBSD powerpc
Binaries stopped being committed to the Mozilla archive after 52.0.2 but the port seems to be active. I assume 60esr is supposed to work on sparc (still) as some recent patches refer to it in the filenames. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sat, 25 May 2019, at 18:54, john o goyo wrote: > On 05/25/19 11:41, Patrick Harper wrote: > > Oracle's Beijing Team maintains a port of FF60esr for Solaris/sparc that > > might be useful (another mostly big-endian arch). > > > > https://github.com/oracle/solaris-userland/tree/master/components/desktop/firefox > Excuse my ignorance but is it really Sparc? When Oracle laid off Ginn > Chen, who contributed the Sparc build to Mozilla, I thought that was the > end of Firefox on Sparc. > > jog > >
Missing file and Man page for out-of-date
The /usr/ports/infrastructure/bin/out-of-date program is missing. I remember it being in OpenBSD 6.3. It is still referenced in /usr/ports/infrastructure/README in OpenBSD 6.5. It is listed with description: bin/out-of-date Compare installed registered packages with INDEX, try to find out of date ports. Is it possible to get the script back into ports for OpenBSD 6.5? Does anyone know what happened with it? Regards, Michael http://quantum-foam.org/
Re: Missing file and Man page for out-of-date
It was renamed to pkg_outdated. -- Patrick Harper paia...@fastmail.com On Sat, 25 May 2019, at 22:17, Michael Alaimo wrote: > The /usr/ports/infrastructure/bin/out-of-date program is missing. > > I remember it being in OpenBSD 6.3. > > It is still referenced in /usr/ports/infrastructure/README in OpenBSD 6.5. > > It is listed with description: > bin/out-of-date > Compare installed registered packages with INDEX, try to find out > of date ports. > > Is it possible to get the script back into ports for OpenBSD 6.5? > > Does anyone know what happened with it? > > Regards, > > Michael > > http://quantum-foam.org/ > >
Re: Missing file and Man page for out-of-date
As for the full story, this is a whole sequence of events. Committee decided ports/infrastructure/man didn't belong in default manpath, because it's not part of sacro-sanct base. Fine, let's move the man pages to base. And then, Theo said some of those names are way too generic, we can't have manpages with such names (and on that point, he is right). Fine, I renamed generic programs to port-something, or pkg_whatever. Sorry about the README, I plain forgot about that.
Re: Modern browser for OpenBSD powerpc
Hi Jordan, On 5/25/19 8:13 PM, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: Riccardo [1] : Official Repo: https://github.com/wicknix/Arctic-Fox [2] : My current working fork, which gets regularly pulled into main: https://github.com/rmottola/Arctic-Fox If you're going down that path, you should see if you can get TenFourFox to compile. TenFourFox does have a jit and supports altivec. http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ https://github.com/classilla/tenfourfox I do know about TenFourFox - having contributed to it myself and having worked on making on i386 again. An interesting fork, the best thing you can get on a PPC 10.4 or 10.5 Mac! However, the code is very Mac specific. ArcticFox derives from PaleMoon 27 and thus is more portable, but improved build and compiler compatibility. Of course, in the long term, it would be delicious to merge in TenFourFox's PPC JIT! AF and PaleMoon are not so "refined" as TenFourFox which really backported a lot of FireFox stuff Yet, ArcticFox allows you to use stuff like yahoo mail, gmail and facebook, if needed. It doesn't work well enough for github, which is now a monster. I'd be interested to know if OpenBSD/PPC works... or try to help, in case. In the meanwhile, I think ArcticFox will fit the OP needs: you can access gmail and yahoo mail Help for ArcticFox... generally appreciated! Riccardo