Re: OS book

[JR Dalrymple]

Locate an OLD (like 80s) version of the latter. It's an AWESOME fundamentals
book. The never versions are watered down big time. Windows windows
windoww... blablabla.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
kroty
Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 10:27 AM
To: misc@openbsd.org
Subject: OS book

I'm going to buy a book about Operating Systems. I've seen two titles
"Modern Operating Systems" (Tanenbaum) and "Operating Systems Concepts" 
(Silberschatz). I don't know wich one would be better for a newbie
in OSs like me. Any suggestion would be appreciated. Thanks!

Re: OpenBSD 3.6, Intel 3.0 HT processor!!

[JR Dalrymple]

You can solve the problem by going into the bios setup and disabling HT.
Or you can suffer the performance loss. Your choice.
Joco Salvatti wrote:
Hi all, I have a Server box running OpenBSD 3.6, Intel 3.0 HT
processor, I've compiled a kernel with SMP support, but where can I
verify if it's really using SMP? Under GNU/Linux distros i run cat
/proc/cpuinfo and it shows me two processors. Under OpenBSD I've
mounted the kernel filesystem and I toke a look at ncpu but it still
saying that there is only one processor. Can anyone tell me what's
going wrong? And how can I solve it?
For now, thanks.

Re: OpenBSD 3.6, Intel 3.0 HT processor!!

[JR Dalrymple]

You're multithreading for long periods of time, and your maximum cpu 
usage there is limeted largely by disk i/o. Not very often do you have 
more than one process going on limited by disk i/o and when it does 
happen it doesn't happen for long periods of time). The only time I 
could see HT being a great asset would be on a server seeing light use 
by multiple (tons of) connections. When only one process is asking for 
time it doesn't have the all of the cpu resources available to it with 
HT turned on.

My desktop machine is a dual 3.0 prestonia. It performs noticably 
faster for desktop applications with HT set to off.

J.D. Bronson wrote:
At 09:04 AM 05/12/2005, JR Dalrymple wrote:
You can solve the problem by going into the bios setup and disabling HT.
Or you can suffer the performance loss. Your choice.
Joco Salvatti wrote:
Hi all, I have a Server box running OpenBSD 3.6, Intel 3.0 HT
processor, I've compiled a kernel with SMP support, but where can I
verify if it's really using SMP? Under GNU/Linux distros i run cat
/proc/cpuinfo and it shows me two processors. Under OpenBSD I've
mounted the kernel filesystem and I toke a look at ncpu but it still
saying that there is only one processor. Can anyone tell me what's
going wrong? And how can I solve it?
For now, thanks.

Is there absolutely no benefit to HTT at all?
Systems we run HTT with (Unix) seem to perform slightly better and 
building world has been noticeably faster.

No matter what I set the BIOS to - I cannot get SMP/HTT to work in 
OpenBSD, but it does work with others

Re: Openbsd 2.8 on a Sparc IPC

[JR Dalrymple]

J.C. Roberts wrote:
On Tue, 17 May 2005 09:44:51 -0500, "Bill Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
 

OpenBSD main 2.8 GENERIC#96 sparc
9:54AM  up 438 days,  7:03, 1 user, load averages: 0.31, 0.16, 0.10
   

Damn! You got me beat. :-)
A few days ago I finally retired a 486-66MHz running OpenBSD 2.9
Yes, I know it's not a "good idea" (TM) to let a system languish like
this but when done correctly, the bragging rights are a lot of fun.
ITDude: "Our firewall is a quad 8GHz bone cruncher running checkpoint"
Me: "really, well mine is an old 486 that I found in the trash..."
JCR
 

Funny, I just segregated some services off my FreeBSD box at home to a 
"new" 486 machine (with a supposed Pentium class OverDrive processor).

Cacheing DNS and DHCP moved off FreeBSD box so that I can eventually 
bring the FreeBSD box down for a rebuild.

DMesg follows.
OpenBSD 3.7-current (GENERIC) #122: Fri May 13 17:54:43 MDT 2005
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
cpu0: Intel OverDrive Pentium (P24T) ("GenuineIntel" 586-class) 83 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8
cpu0: F00F bug workaround installed
real mem  = 33136640 (32360K)
avail mem = 22335488 (21812K)
using 430 buffers containing 1761280 bytes (1720K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(00) BIOS, date 07/23/93
pcibios at bios0 function 0x1a not configured
bios0: ROM list: 0xe/0x8000
cpu0 at mainbus0
isa0 at mainbus0
isadma0 at isa0
pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
wskbd0 at pckbd0 (mux 1 ignored for console): console keyboard
vga0 at isa0 port 0x3b0/48 iomem 0xa/131072
wsdisplay0 at vga0: console (80x25, vt100 emulation), using wskbd0
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wdc0 at isa0 port 0x1f0/8 irq 14
wd0 at wdc0 channel 0 drive 0: 
wd0: 16-sector PIO, CHS, 405MB, 989 cyl, 15 head, 56 sec, 830760 sectors
wd1 at wdc0 channel 0 drive 1: 
wd1: 16-sector PIO, LBA, 515MB, 1056384 sectors
wd0(wdc0:0:0): using BIOS timings
wd1(wdc0:0:1): using BIOS timings
ne1 at isa0 port 0x300/32 irq 10
ne1: NE2000 (RTL8019) Ethernet
ne1: address 00:c0:f0:12:b0:c6
pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
midi0 at pcppi0: 
spkr0 at pcppi0
sysbeep0 at pcppi0
lpt2 at isa0 port 0x3bc/4: polled
npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
pccom1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16450, no fifo
fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 18 sec
fd1 at fdc0 drive 1: 1.2MB 80 cyl, 2 head, 15 sec
isapnp0 at isa0 port 0x279: read port 0x203
ne3 at isapnp0 "Kingston EtheRx KNE20 Plug and , RTL8019, PNP80D6, " port 
0x240/32 irq 5
ne3: NE2000 (RTL8019) Ethernet
ne3: address 00:c0:f0:12:b0:c6
biomask fbc5 netmask ffe5 ttymask ffe7
pctr: 586-class performance counters and user-level cycle counter enabled
dkcsum: wd0 matched BIOS disk 80
dkcsum: wd1 matched BIOS disk 81
root on wd0a
rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302
arp: attempt to overwrite entry for 0.0.0.0 on lo0 by 00:09:5b:18:2f:1c on ne3

Re: Hang using generic.mp with ami0

[JR Dalrymple]

This sounds similar to a problem I was having, kind of. One of the odd
things about the problem I was having though was that when I booted and
redirected the console to the serial port so I could capture the trace etc.
it wouldn't do it.

That doesn't help, but it is what I have to say.

JR

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Marco Peereboom
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 4:43 PM
To: Steve Shockley
Cc: Miscellaneous OBSD
Subject: Re: Hang using generic.mp with ami0

hmmm very odd.  Let me try to reproduce.

On May 25, 2005, at 6:59 PM, Steve Shockley wrote:

> I've just set up a Compaq Proliant 6500 with OpenBSD 3.7-release.   
> It works fine with the uniprocessor kernel, but when I boot from  
> bsd.mp, it sits at "mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support", then after a  
> minute or two it reports "ami0: timeout ccb 1" and hangs.
>
> I found http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?m=109355301607068, which  
> suggested upgrading the firmware on the card.  I upgraded to the  
> most current firmeware from AMI, no change.  It's an HP NetRAID 2M  
> and/or Megaraid Elite 1600.
>
> Dmesg from /bsd:
>
> OpenBSD 3.7 (GENERIC) #50: Sun Mar 20 00:01:57 MST 2005
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC
> cpu0: Intel Pentium III Xeon ("GenuineIntel" 686-class, 2048KB L2  
> cache) 500 MHz
> cpu0:  
> FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE3 
> 6,MMX,FXSR,SSE
> real mem  = 3220791296 (3145304K)
> avail mem = 2931523584 (2862816K)
> using 4278 buffers containing 161140736 bytes (157364K) of memory
> mainbus0 (root)
> bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+(00) BIOS, date 12/31/99, BIOS32 rev. 0 @  
> 0xf
> pcibios0 at bios0: rev 2.1 @ 0xf/0x2000
> pcibios0: PCI BIOS has 10 Interrupt Routing table entries
> pcibios0: PCI Interrupt Router at 000:15:0 ("Intel 82371AB PIIX4  
> ISA" rev 0x00)
> pcibios0: PCI bus #0 is the last bus
> bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0x8000 0xc8000/0x1400 0xe8000/0x6000  
> 0xee000/0x2000!
> cpu0 at mainbus0
> pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (no bios)
> fxp0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 "Intel 82557" rev 0x0d, i82550: irq  
> 11, address 00:02:b3:8f:1a:3f
> inphy0 at fxp0 phy 1: i82555 10/100 PHY, rev. 4
> "Compaq PCI Hotplug" rev 0x04 at pci0 dev 11 function 0 not configured
> "Compaq Netelligent ASMC" rev 0x00 at pci0 dev 12 function 0 not  
> configured
> siop0 at pci0 dev 13 function 0 "Symbios Logic 53c875" rev 0x14:  
> irq 10, using 4K of on-board RAM
> scsibus0 at siop0: 16 targets
> siop1 at pci0 dev 13 function 1 "Symbios Logic 53c875" rev 0x14:  
> irq 5, using 4K of on-board RAM
> scsibus1 at siop1: 16 targets
> vga1 at pci0 dev 14 function 0 "ATI Mach64 GV" rev 0x7a
> wsdisplay0 at vga1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
> pcib0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 "Intel 82371AB PIIX4 ISA" rev 0x02
> pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 1 "Intel 82371AB IDE" rev 0x01:  
> DMA, channel 0 wired to compatibility, channel 1 wired to  
> compatibility
> atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0
> scsibus2 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
> cd0 at scsibus2 targ 0 lun 0:  SCSI0 5/ 
> cdrom removable
> cd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, DMA mode 2
> pciide0: channel 1 ignored (disabled)
> uhci0 at pci0 dev 15 function 2 "Intel 82371AB USB" rev  
> 0x01pci_intr_map: no mapping for pin D
> : couldn't map interrupt
> "Intel 82371AB Power Mgmt" rev 0x02 at pci0 dev 15 function 3 not  
> configured
> pchb0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 "Intel 82451NX Mem & IO" rev 0x03
> pchb1 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 "Intel 82454NX PXB" rev 0x04
> pchb2 at pci0 dev 20 function 0 "Intel 82454NX PXB" rev 0x04
> pci1 at pchb2 bus 4
> ppb0 at pci1 dev 3 function 0 "DEC 21154 PCI-PCI" rev 0x05
> pci2 at ppb0 bus 5
> ppb1 at pci2 dev 0 function 0 "DEC 21154 PCI-PCI" rev 0x05
> pci3 at ppb1 bus 6
> ami0 at pci3 dev 0 function 0 "AMI MegaRAID" rev 0x02: irq 5 AMI  
> 493/64b/lhc
> ami0: FW 111U, BIOS vF320, 128MB RAM
> ami0: 2 channels, 0 FC loops, 1 logical drives
> scsibus3 at ami0: 40 targets
> sd0 at scsibus3 targ 0 lun 0:  SCSI2 0/ 
> direct fixed
> sd0: 8677MB, 1106 cyl, 255 head, 63 sec, 512 bytes/sec, 17770496  
> sec total
> "QLogic ISP12160" rev 0x06 at pci2 dev 1 function 0 not configured
> "Compaq PCI Hotplug" rev 0x04 at pci1 dev 11 function 0 not configured
>
> isa0 at pcib0
> isadma0 at isa0
> pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5
> pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot
> wskbd0 at pckbd0 (mux 1 ignored for console): console keyboard,  
> using wsdisplay0
> pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot)
> pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot
> wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0
> pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61
> midi0 at pcppi0: 
> sysbeep0 at pcppi0
> lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7
> npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: using exception 16
> pccom0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
> pccom1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo
> fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2
> fd0 at fdc0 drive 0: 1.44M

Re: Hang using generic.mp with ami0

[JR Dalrymple]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Marco Peereboom
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:01 PM
To: JR Dalrymple
Cc: Miscellaneous OBSD
Subject: Re: Hang using generic.mp with ami0

Quite useless.  The least you could have done is send a dmesg.

I did a long time ago, along with trace and dump ;-)

You replied Marco, asking for some other stuff. I haven't had time to
reproduce because I needed that system up so I bailed and did workaround and
will get back to .mp'ing the ami later. Because of my immediate needs the
problem was left unsolved.

[pertaining archive message]

This doesn't sound right.

If I read the dmesg right this is a Dell PowerEdge 6100 with a PERC/DC.  The
ahcs are the onboard 7880 and 7890 respectively.  I remember having some
issues with those but don't remember exactly what.  I do remember that
disabling the SCSI channels in the BIOS helped.

Also note that there is an issue in the ami driver which causes the firmware
to panic on old controllers.  With -current (3.7) the driver disables all
but the first disk it finds and fixes issues with newer controllers.

Hope this helps,
/marco

On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:44:44PM -0400, Michael Shalayeff wrote:
> Making, drinking tea and reading an opus magnum from JR Dalrymple:
> > I did this. That works "OK". I can then boot it, and it seems to run 
> > ok with bsd.mp like that. It still isn't right though. sd0 and sd1 
> > mount and are usable, but then it hoses when you try to use sd2. 
> > Quite the odd mess eh? I can't see anything possibly being wrong 
> > with the backplane as it would seem an awful lot like the PERC would 
> > complain when it's initializing the drives... it doesn't.
> 
> oh
> on the second thought i misread the dmesg slightely!
> the ahc1 and ahc2 are the ami's owned controllers!
> we need to put a fix into the ahc driver as we have now for isp(4) to 
> skip those
> 
> can you boot and disable ahc in ukc:
> boot> -c
> ...
> UKC> disable ahc
> UKC> exit
> ...
> 
> then at the command line run 'pcitweak -l' and send me the output 
> please ?
> 
> 10x
> 
> cu
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Henning Brauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:54 AM
> > To: JR Dalrymple
> > Subject: Re: problems related to ami driver I think
> > 
> > try with one logical drive on the ami only, i think marco mentioned 
> > firmware bugs in older controllers
> > 
> > * JR Dalrymple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-04-04 13:48]:
> > > I tried snapshot... it failed to even finish loading bsd.rd.
> > > 
> > > I didn't bother copying down where it hung or the error. Something 
> > > to note however is that it did happen before the kernel finished 
> > > loading hardware (blue background still). Would it be prudent to 
> > > try again and introduce
> > the
> > > hangup message here? At this point I've loaded snapshot and 3.6 to 
> > > my
> > local
> > > ftp server as I've installed so many times I was getting sick of 
> > > waiting
> > for
> > > it to load over my DSL line, so it wouldn't take long to do.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the replies.
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Kenneth R Westerback [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 3:30 AM
> > > To: JR Dalrymple
> > > Subject: Re: problems related to ami driver I think
> > > 
> > > On Sun, Apr 03, 2005 at 07:55:27PM -0800, JR Dalrymple wrote:
> > > > I've been trying to do a fairly simple install for 2 days now.
> > > Try a 3.7 install from the snapshots. You'll get more interest 
> > > that way.
> > > 
> > >  Ken
> > > > 
> > > > I have a Poweredge 6100 with a Perc2/DC (LSI MegaRAID) which is 
> > > > on the
> > > HCL.
> > > > I created 2 logical drives which come up as sd0 and sd1. I put / 
> > > > /tmp
> > /usr
> > > > and swap on sd0 and /var and /home on sd1. Using that 
> > > > configuration the installation stalls during the download of
etc36.tgz with an error like:
> > > > 
> > > > [start INSTALL ERROR]
> > > > 
> > > > ami0: timeout ccb 1 (the exact string after timeout might not be 
> > > > right,
> > I
> > > > don't remember for sure)
> > > > 
> > > > So I can circumvent this problem by doing the install entirely on
sd0.
> > If
&g

Re: openbsd list fckery

[JR Dalrymple]

http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html

72 CPL please

good riddance

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,

AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap 
in
my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his 
lapdog
roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for 
a

chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot 
email?


OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too 
many
and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking 
ASSHOLES
heard of "go back"? How far up your own ass do you have to be to 
code
such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to 
go
back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to 
keep
state just store important choices as variables and allow us to 
change
variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 
years

ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in 
shit

retarded way)?

Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.

Your attitude will serve you well in hell!

/UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)

Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:

 


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
Markus Kolb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   

This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last 
 


OBSD
 


installation.
 



 


You say it like you expect anyone to care.
   



 

The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no 
 


compatibility
 


with ours.
 



 


"Ours"? Who are these "ours"? The voices in your head?
   



 


I got it that I am using the wrong OS.
 



 


Obviously.
   



 


Your OS is only useable for
things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate 
 


people
 


doing stuff you don't like.
 



 


This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
even if you're upset. 
   



 


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Re: openbsd list fckery

[JR Dalrymple]

The installer is awesome, it fits right beside the base kernel on ONE 
1.44 floppy (speaking for i386).


I love it

Dimitri Georganas wrote:

I got private mail too, but my reply bounced...the [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
account was disabled (...)




I don't advocate for obsd. I just like the os, as it is stable and it 
does what it does.
I don't like the 'obsd attitude' either, but I ignore it. Personally I 
feel that if you don't
like peoples attitudes, it doesn't help to go the way you went on that 
list.


I do like the installer though, I'm serious. Not for it's user 
friendliness, but because

it works for me. I've seen better ones, I've seen worse.




[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

just tip of the iceberg, starting with what users see first, is only 
reason i gave that measly example.  openbsd is has so many problems 
that are unfixed because the advocates like yourself have such SHT 
attitudes and think you are so smart.  it is what gives me the 
greatest joy when i root you fcks and rm your machines.  such joy i 
cannot express.  your MiTC bitsy site may enjoy my company someday 
soon.  because, you know perfectly well the installer is shit you 
just choose to troll. want to debate the other more important sht 
wrong things about obsd? haha too bad i don't have any such interest. 
good day and bye.




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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello Lars,

AND of what fucking use was this shitty email from you Lars?  WHAT
FUCKING GOOD ARE YOU and why the fuck is your shitty-tongued crap in
my inbox!?  Isn't Theo enough of a malicious CUNT without his lapdog
roottard bitches yipping at his heels climbing over each other for a
chance to lick his stinking crack on this polluted mailing list?  I
mean for FUCK SAKE SHUT THE HELL UP!  What good was your idiot email?

OpenBSD is NOT run by kind people.  Look at the motherfucking
installer for one tiny example.  One keyfumble or one return too many
and you are FUCKED, have to start over.  Haven't you fucking ASSHOLES
heard of "go back"? How far up your own ass do you have to be to code
such a DEEPLY SHITTY INSTALLER that it won't even allow the user to go
back and change that important N to a Y?  You don't even have to keep
state just store important choices as variables and allow us to change
variables at each prompt.  I could code something like that 20 years
ago, what is your excuse you fucking bastards?  Social retardation?
Horrid brain damage?  Are you just plain evil (in the covered in shit
retarded way)?

Everything I ever hear from cockmaster THEO and his little bitches
REEKS OF THIS SAME SHIT.

Your attitude will serve you well in hell!

/UNSUBSCRIBE (fuck you!!)

Friday, June 3, 2005, 4:12:36 AM, you wrote:

 


On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:47:41 +0200
Markus Kolb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

This is my last post to any of your lists and it was my last 



OBSD
 


installation.





 


You say it like you expect anyone to care.
  



 

The work you do is quite good but your mentality has no 



compatibility
 


with ours.





 


"Ours"? Who are these "ours"? The voices in your head?
  



 


I got it that I am using the wrong OS.





 


Obviously.
  



 


Your OS is only useable for
things you think about. So nothing free at all when you hate 



people
 


doing stuff you don't like.





 


This doesnt even make sense. Try to write comprehensible english
even if you're upset.   



 


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Lars Hansson
  







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Re: Demanding Performance For OpenBSD to Handle

[JR Dalrymple]

> Dear gentlemen,
>
> i am considering OpenBSD for a environment of 3K desktop and 15K users.

Good considering...


>
> I will have to supply:
>
> server 0: email(pop3,smtp)
> server 1: proxy (squid)
> server 2: NIS + Kerberos
> server 3: OpenLDAP (BDB)
> server 4: NFS + FTP
> server 5: web (http + https)


> Some thing i really worried about is about storage server for home
> directories (server 4). What should it be its configuration like?
> Dual/Quad Xeon? What U320 RAID ? What about a 10 Gb Ethernet Interface ?

Dual/Quad Xeon 350Mhz maybe, unless you were going to run OpenBSD under
VmWare on W2k3 or something :-S
> If you have faced some thing similar, would you mind replying me in pvt?
>
> Thanks a lot for your time and attention.

Focus your dollars on good RAID/disk hardware. What the future holds for
AMI RAID controllers under OpenBSD is good. The only one of those servers
that I could see needing a decent amount of cpu-power would be 5, and
thats all dependant upon what kind of scripting etc. the machine is doing.

Are all 15k users going to be on simultaneously? In my environment we have
1600 users, but also 24 hour usage, so you never see more than 800 or so
on simultaneously. That means you only *have* 800 users really.

Might I also recommend backup servers? It appears as though you don't have
that figured in. Nothing is totally fail-safe. What if the logon, or db
server crashes; can you afford the downtime?

Re: redundancy

[JR Dalrymple]

> sorry for the dumb question but, how can i do this with openbsd?

> is there a link someone could give me for some walk through. Drives fail
> here all the time.

dumb answer:

Read FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq14.html#RAID
Read MAN: RAID(4)

Re: 'I am beginning to think'

[JR Dalrymple]

> On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 12:31:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 June 2005 10:00 pm, Christer Solstrand Johannessen
>> wrote:
>> > On Mon, 13 Jun 2005, Dave Feustel wrote:
>> >
>> > [mac mini+ms office:mac]
>> >
>> > > I have been thinking about getting a Mac.
>> > > I hadn't considered a mini, but that is an
>> > > intriguing idea. What does the above hardware
>> > > and software cost in the US?
>> >
>> > 1.25GHz/40GB/256MB ram Mac mini from $499.
>> > 1.42GHz/80GB/256MB ram Mac mini from $599.
>> > MS Office:mac 2004 $399.95.
>> >
>> > All prices from Apple's website and current as of right now.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Christer
>>
>> I can't afford this software, but thanks for the info.
>
> Okay, Appleworks comes bundled with the mini, and via translator
> software, opens excel spreadsheets, or at least most of them. (None of
> the OpenBSD packages would likely open ALL Excel sheets either, even if
> they *could* print.)
>
> --
> 83. If I'm eating dinner with the hero, put poison in his goblet, then
> have to
> leave the table for any reason, I will order new drinks for both of
> us  instead of trying to decide whether or not to switch with him.
> --Peter Anspach's list of things to do as an Evil
> Overlord

You can get a machine that runs WinXP proficiently for 200 bucks, Office
Basic is 180, Windows XP home is 80... 460 bucks. Put it behind your OBSD
firewall and you'll be fine and have the most modular productivity suite
on Earth at your fingertips.

By the way, in what manner does this have any Fing thign to do with OBSD?

Re: Honesty needed...

[JR Dalrymple]

Matt Juszczak wrote:





OpenBSD is known for its stability, and I'm wondering what everyone's 
opinion on stability would be with a SuperMicro Dual Xeon 3.06 ghz 
(SMP) and 4 GM RAM, running postfix with LDAP and 10,000 users.  If I 
can get a stable system up and running I'll be really happy.



FreeBSD is known for its stability.
Didn't someone point you to a patch in your first post?


Regards,

Matt

Re: Suggested hardware for server?

[JR Dalrymple]

> On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 08:50:32PM -0400, Jason Crawford wrote:
>> The main reason I suggested SATA-II is because the OP said he
>> can't do SCSI, but still wants a good RAID. Granted, 32 commands
>
> I would *like* to do SCSI, but when you look at the cost/GB ratio,
there's just no comparison (at least for my home network, where the most
demanding task will be video-on-demand).


what is the point of this? DVD movie DTR is <10Mbit/s, or less than
2Mbyte/s. Buy what suits your needs, and if it is the $4.00/Mbyte storage
of 15k U320 drives you need, get them. I think asking misc@ what your
needs are is pointless.

>
>> dependent on data will have the money for SCSI RAID1+0, no
>> problem, as it's tried and true technology, as well as still the
fastest. However the OP talked about rebuilding a server on a home
>
> What this means (if anything) I can't say for sure, but the
> marketing/hype around SCSI has it categorized as "enterprise class".
Typically, SCSI drives have longer warranties, greater MTBF, and they're
manufacturing process is supposed to be superior, and they are designed
to run continuously in warmer conditions... and it's
> tried and true technology.
>
> What I've been doing for the last several years is buy one smaller, SCSI
drive to use as my "main" drive (OS, user programs, etc), and buy the
dramatically cheaper IDE drives for bulk storage.
>
>> maxing that out any time soon, and you can get 160GB SATA-II disk for
under $90, good luck finding a U320 SCSI disk close to that
>> size for even close to that price.
>
> Yup.  I've been wanting to upgrade my main SCSI drive to a 73 GB Seagate
10k RPM.  The lowest price I can find is about $235 (US). Two and a half
the price at less than half the storage :(  The 15k RPM drives are more
expensive still.  Seagate now has a "Savvio"
> line of 10k RPM SCSI drives in a 2.5" form factor (note book size).
How's $800 (US) for a 73 GB drive?!
>
> -Matt
>
> --
> Matt Garman
> email at: http://raw-sewage.net/index.php?file=email

Re: Flash Plugin for Firefox

[JR Dalrymple]

> Is there any way to make it work in Firefox?  I seem
> to recall there was a working method for Firefox+Flash
> but I can't seem to remember/locate it.  The port in
> graphics mentions a plugin but it does not seem to get
> built.
I think if you used Opera for 5 days you'd find it better in EVERY WAY
POSSIBLE than Firefox... My 2 cents. I find page loads to be much faster,
and nav is 10x faster with gestures and keyboard shortcuts.

Approach it with an open mind, not "Firefox is the unstoppable browser"
attitude, and as always YMMV

JR
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>
> --- David Cathcart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> If you for some reason need a working flash player
>> in a browser, use
>> opera and macromedia's Linux flash plug-in.
>>
>> get these packages from your neighborhood mirror
>> redhat_base*
>> redhat_motif*
>>
>> next install ports/www/opera (no package)
>>
>>
>> (this will build redhat_base itself but it has to
>> source loads of shit
>> from everywhere and getting the package is quicker,
>> also it won't
>> install motif which you need for flash)
>>
>> Download Flash player 7 for mozilla 1.2 linux x86
>> from
>>
> http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/alternates/
>>
>> Untar and copy the .so and .xft to
>> /usr/local/lib/opera/plugins (don't
>> untar in /usr/local/lib/opera this makes opera
>> segfault)
>>
>> Flash should work in opera now, go to about:plugins
>> to be sure.
>>
>> Also when you first run opera it will ask if you
>> want random graphical
>> ads or targeted text ads. I'd pick random graphical,
>> don't particularly
>> like the URLs of what page I'm viewing being sent to
>> google all the
>> time.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 06:08:43PM -0600, Jim Beard
>> wrote:
>> > Can anyone point me in the right direction to get
>> flash working with
>> > firefox?  I notice there is a nsplugin.so in
>> ports/graphics/flash.
>> > Would this work for firefox or would it work with
>> netscape?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com

Re: [OT]: good home switch?

[JR Dalrymple]

imEnsion wrote:


I've seen how a lot of people recommend the metal case Netgear FS105
and FS108. I am currently using the FS105 -- and have been using it
for well over 4 years now. It just sits there in the corner, always
on, never bitching, and always working. What more can I ask for?

PS: a vonage router is connected to it, along with a windows box, a 24
port 10/100 switch (which is connected to openbsd/freebsd/solaris
machines). Anyway, I haven't had any major complaint with it, as it
works for my use (home networking & such).


Just my $0.02USD
 

I agree with the mass here. Metal case NetGear stuff is usually pretty 
solid. Not enterprise grade I wouldn't expect (probably fairly low gross 
bandwidth) but I've had good luck with them. This E-mail is going to 
travel through 2 Netgear metal case switches to get to the public 
network, they've never locked up nor given any weird problems, just worked.





On 9/4/05, Shawn K. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


On Sun, 2005-09-04 at 13:57 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   


p.s.
Forget about D-Link! I recomment to stay far far away of these crap.
 


I am using a D-Link switch and it has performed acceptably so far. Their
wireless access points might be another story, though...

--
Shawn K. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Lifecycle question

[JR Dalrymple]

Moritz Grimm wrote:


Stephan A. Rickauer wrote:

The question is how you OpenBSD guys handle the upgrade issue. From 
the website I learned that -STABLE is maintained for only one year (= 
two releases). Given that upgrading by skipping one release is not 
recommended, does that mean one needs to upgrade the entire OS every 
half year? I couldn't get that from the website.



Of course, simply swapping out harddrives with an upgraded 
installation is another possibility.



Moritz

I second that motion. GENERIC allows for you to build and test on 
*whatever* hardware and then with minimal changes plug the hdd into the 
new machine and you're off running.


Disk arrays cause a bit of a cluster in this theory, but still a 
workable solution and a lot better than downtime.


-JR

Re: OpenBSD's 10th birthday -- how about a present?

[JR Dalrymple]

STeve Andre' wrote:


  Seeing all sorts of good wishes to the project, but I haven't
seen any gifts, yet. ;-)

  I just paypaled $25 to the project, as a birthday present.  Given
what we all get from this OS, OpenBSD deserves something.

  Can I get 10 others to make some kind of donation?  It doesn't
have to be a lot...

--STeve Andre'

 


This is a great idea.

$100.00 PayPald. A small return for an OS that has made my life a lot 
better.


-JR

Re: OpenBSD official media

[JR Dalrymple]

Andrew Daugherity wrote:


On 11/5/05, Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


You mean because hppa, mac68k, m88k and sparc, just to name a few, have
outstanding DVD devices available.

Come on now, THINK before typing.
   



Of those, only sparc is currently shipping on CD.  If you can find a
SCSI DVD-ROM drive (they do exist), you should* be able to boot from
it.  Sun does ship Solaris on DVD since Solaris 8, after all.

* Of course, vendor brain-damage could always interfere with your
plans, so I guarantee nothing.

-A

 


Track 2 on the 2nd CD is an audio track.

Also, as someone so cleverly put before me, Marco missed Vax, which is 
on the CD media.


Beyond all that, I honestly don't have any problem whatsoever with 
multiple disks. If *you* need a single disk layout, make your own by 
copying what you need off the 3 disks. That's not difficult.

Re: openbsd web site design proposals (from HOTO write bad docs)

[JR Dalrymple]

Tobias Ulmer wrote:


On Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 07:03:08PM +0100, frantisek holop wrote:
 


hmm, on Mon, Nov 28, 2005 at 05:32:54PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek said that
   


It's even a FAQ: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#wwwnotstd
 


at least remove
"We welcome new contributors,"
because that is clearly not true.

-f
--
the purpose of life is life with a purpose.

   



scnr:

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=www.obiit.org
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=www.obiit.org

Tobias
 


HAHAHA Holy shit that's funny!!!

frantisek holop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


the openbsd site uses pictures and text.  the 2 simplest
elements in existence.  and you can't make the page validate
thank god you don't have to do anything more complicated.
 

Yours doesn't even have the pictures. "Thank god you don't have to do 
anything more complicated."


And about your content there on your page... A+

Re: Bind or Djbdns

[JR Dalrymple]

Start here:

http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq1.html#HowAbout

Joco Salvatti wrote:


Hi all,

I'd like to know your opinion about to major DNS servers: Bind and
djbdns. Which one is the best (I'm not sure if I may ask it this way)?
Which one you'd best recommend? I've already used Bind (and I still
use it) and I know it works perfectly fine. But before getting in
touch with OpenBSD and their users I realized that I had an wrong
opinion about a lot of softwares. So I'd like to know your opinion.

P.S. My intention is not starting a flamed discussion or even an
argument. I just want to know your opinion about this issue.

Thanks

--
Joco Salvatti
Undergraduating in Computer Science
Federal University of Para - UFPA
web: http://salvatti.expert.com.br
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: multiple publicIPs

[JR Dalrymple]

Darrin Chandler wrote:


On Sat, May 06, 2006 at 09:41:10PM +0200, Falk Husemann wrote:
 


On 06.05.2006, at 15:25, Peter Blair wrote:

   


Perhaps I'm confused, but it doesn't look (from your diagram) that
your pf machine is acting as a firewall for anything but itself.
 


I'd bet 4 ClubMate that he'd drawn the diagram wrogn
   



Bad bet, since in the original message he stated that the pf box is
*not* the default gateway for the "protected" boxes...

 


Furthermore, if the diagram is right it would explain the problem in whole.

-JR

Re: CD Creation question

[JR Dalrymple]

Bernd Schoeller wrote:

On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:01:47AM -0400, Jeff Quast wrote:
  

On 7/18/06, Rob Baldassano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


So,
Is there anyone out there that could provide me with the instructions on 
how to create a bootable CD from Windows, so that I can boot from the CD, 
and have the install media on the CD itself as well?
  

You can burn cd39.iso from most any cd burning software in windows.
Unfortunately, a brand new $200 version of microsoft windows does not
offer this most simple of task by default. (Welcome to 1993)

I only know of commercial software that supports this. However, some
of these come with free 30 day trials that may meet your needs. I
would start at one of those massive shareware sites and start
downloading software in the 'cd burning' software category.



AFAIK, there is a free cdrecord version for cygwin that you can use.

Bernd
  

This works well in Windows http://www.cdburnerxp.se/

-JR

Sierra Aircard 580 problems

[JR Dalrymple]

I noticed in kernel support for this card in snapshots. I recently got 
my hands on one to try out and wanted to do just that. I put the 
snapshot as of yesterday (08/10/2006) on a spare laptop here. The card 
is found and seems to work somewhat. I am able to dial to my ISP and 
connect/authenticate. I can then ping the remote host (and any Internet 
host for that matter). As soon as I start to try to browse or do 
anything that uses more bandwidth than echoreq does (ssh, firefox, gaim, 
etc.) the connection seems to hang. It doesn't drop out according to 
"PPP", but my connectivity seems to be all but lost. Included are 
relevant parts (I think) of the ppp.conf file and ppp.log entries.


FYI I hacked up a FreeBSD 6.0 kernel to support this card also and got 
near identical results. I could only find success stories of people 
using the Airprime 5220 predecessor to this card, not specifically the 
Sierra Aircard 580.


/var/ppp/ppp.log:
Aug 10 16:14:19 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvResetReq(3) 
state = Opened

Aug 10 16:14:19 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: Deflate: Output channel reset
Aug 10 16:14:19 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendResetAck(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:15:55 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvResetReq(4) 
state = Opened

Aug 10 16:15:55 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: Deflate: Output channel reset
Aug 10 16:15:55 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendResetAck(4) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:15:56 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: DeflateInput: Seq error: 
Got 3, expected 2
Aug 10 16:15:56 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendResetReq(7) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:15:56 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvResetAck(7) 
state = Opened

Aug 10 16:15:56 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: Deflate: Input channel reset
Aug 10 16:16:25 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:16:25 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:16:30 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:16:30 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:16:35 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:16:35 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:16:40 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:16:40 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:16:45 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:16:45 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened


Aug 10 16:17:20 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:17:20 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:17:21 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:17:21 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:18:20 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: RecvResetReq(5) 
state = Opened

Aug 10 16:18:20 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: Deflate: Output channel reset
Aug 10 16:18:20 super ppp[13105]: tun0: CCP: deflink: SendResetAck(5) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:18:20 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: deflink: HDLC errors -> 
FCS: 0, ADDR: 0, COMD: 0, PROTO: 2
Aug 10 16:18:21 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:18:21 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:18:22 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:18:22 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened


Aug 10 16:18:46 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: Unknown protocol 0x3c00 
(unrecognised protocol)
Aug 10 16:18:46 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: SendProtocolRej(3) 
state = Opened
Aug 10 16:19:22 super ppp[13105]: tun0: Phase: deflink: HDLC errors -> 
FCS: 0, ADDR: 0, COMD: 0, PROTO: 28
Aug 10 16:19:28 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: RecvConfigReq(1) 
state = Opened

Aug 10 16:19:28 super ppp[13105]: tun0: LCP: deflink: LayerDown

/etc/ppp/ppp.conf:

acs:
set device /dev/cuaU0
set speed 230400
set dial "ABORT BUSY ABORT NO\\sCARRIER TIMEOUT 5 \"\" AT OK-AT-OK 
ATE1Q0 OK \\dATDT\\T TIMEOUT 40 CONNECT"

set login
set phone "#777"
set authname ***
set authkey ***
set ifaddr 10.0.0.1/0 10.0.0.2/0 255.255.255.0 0.0.0.0
add default HISADDR
enable dns

I would expect that the problem is related to the "Uknown protocol" 
message that repeats itself incessantly. The hex in that message isn't 
necessarily the same from one ppp session to the next. I've played with 
the maximum MTU value and that had no effect. Also, I do know that I'm 
authenticating with the right creds, and that I'm in a good service 
area. The hardware is known good as it works with it's proprietary 
s

Re: Sierra Aircard 580 problems

[JR Dalrymple]

Stuart Henderson wrote:

On 2006/08/11 01:37, JR Dalrymple wrote:
  
connect/authenticate. I can then ping the remote host (and any Internet 
host for that matter). As soon as I start to try to browse or do 
anything that uses more bandwidth than echoreq does (ssh, firefox, gaim, 
etc.) the connection seems to hang. It doesn't drop out according to 



disable vjcomp

  
For the books, this solved my problem, and I guess I can verify that the 
Sierra Aircard 580 should be good for 4.0.


Thanks again Stuart and list.

-JR

Lost IP traffic

[JR Dalrymple]

List,

Forgive me, I'm only smart enough to get myself into trouble unfortunately.

My PF edge router has been cruising along for sometime now (years) 
without problems, doing just ask I ask of it. For some reason today it 
decided to stop serving webpages from my internal webserver. NOTHING 
changed anywhere to the best of my knowledge. I'm the only user on all 
of the servers in question, so if something did change then I was "haxored".


The only thing that has broken apparently is inbound webpage redirects. 
I'm still getting my E-mail, I'm still browsing the Internet, and that's 
about all that I care about.


I tcpdumped each step. You can see it coming in on the pppoe0, going 
through pflog0 and then out on the internal NIC xl0, but the webserver 
doesn't see it coming in on it's NIC fxp0. What's really weird is that 
if I change my pf.conf to redirect to a different host it works. Also if 
I try to look at webpages on the main webserver from the PF router (or 
anywhere else on the internal LAN) they serve up fine. It's only when PF 
has to redirect the pages to THAT SPECIFIC HOST that it falls apart.


I will repeat that using different words so as to not confuse anyone: 
logged into the edge router in question, "lynx internal_webserver" works 
just fine, but from the outside world browsing to "jrssite.com" or even 
my public IP do not work (see for yourself). If I change my "rdr" rule 
to a different IP (all of my internal stuff is IP based, no internal 
DNS) with apache running it works fine, inside or outside.


Can anyone make sense of why this would happen knowing that my pf rules 
didn't change from the time that it did work to the time it didn't? Give 
me any sort of direction to head before I have to rebuild my webserver?


If you need my pf.conf or any pfctl outputs etc, just suggest so, but I 
really don't think they affect this problem considering the symptoms and 
my current diagnostic steps. I don't want to go through and anonymize 
them if I don't have to.



Thank you in advance
JR

Re: Oldest Server you run

[JR Dalrymple]

Falk Husemann wrote:
> Hello List!
> We're trying to put an old server to good use again and would like to 
> know what's exactly the oldest machine running OpenBSD?
>
>
> As machine we defined something with processor, ram, network, hard 
> disk and a connection to the internet. So no Newton or toaster (at 
> least not if there's no disk being toasted).
>
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Falk
>
DHCP & NIS Master:

# dmesg | grep cpu
cpu0: Intel OverDrive Pentium (P24T) ("GenuineIntel" 586-class) 83 MHz
cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,CX8
cpu0: F00F bug workaround installed
cpu0 at mainbus0
# uptime
1:20PM up 58 days, 15:57, 1 user, load averages: 0.42, 0.21, 0.12

Before this, the uptime was well in excess of a year (it's running 3.7). 
I had to bring it down because I had to move it so that they could put 
new tile under it. I use it because it has no fan to fail, a feature I 
look closely for in computers and components.

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had a name of smime.p7s]

Re: Is there a "deluser" equivalent in OpenBSD?

[JR Dalrymple]

Philip Guenther wrote:

> I would call this a bug in usermod: when run with the -G option it
> should set the user's secondary group list to include exactly the
> indicated groups.  That's how usermod operates under Solaris and Linux
> 

What's more, I've seen *NIXes that had a -R option to groupmod that 
would remove users from groups.

As Nick stated though, this is pretty trivial to write a script for.

-JR

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had a name of smime.p7s]

Re: Dell 1855 Blade Perc 4\IM (LSI) controller problem

[JR Dalrymple]

Bob Bostwick (Lists) wrote:


I installed 3.8 on an 1855 with no problems about two weeks ago.  All my
apps worked, and had no problems until I rebooted the box (not the first
reboot, and not because of an issue of any kind.)  Upon reboot, it fails
to boot right away, with the "now trying bsd.oldetc" messages
finally booting to bsd.  Towards the end of the boot process the
following message appears.

sd0(mpt0:0:0): mpt0: timeout request index = 0xfe, seq = 0x00ce
mpt0: Status 0x8000, Mask 0x0001, Doorbell 0x2400
mpt0: request state: On Chip
panic: cannot read disk label, 0x400/0xd00, error 5
Stopped at  Debugger+0x4: leave

Then the message to run ps before reporting this.

The only problem is that the machine is un-responsive at this point.
The only keyboard I can connect is USB (this is a blade) and is not
responsive.  I'm not sure how to get the diagnostic information that
would be useful. 


I did google this, and the only fix's I found were updating to -current
(but that was in 3.5) and one person said that getting cooling to his
box fixed the problem.  I know cooling is not an issue, not even close.
Any advice would be appreciated.

 


this might be worth looking at:

Re: OT marc.theaimsgroup.com

[JR Dalrymple]

Daniel Ouellet wrote:


Sorry to have to asked this, but I fell at a lots now.

Is there an other location a kind sole could provide me to access 
their content? Looking for the various openbsd lists here.


Or an other archive list that is as friendly to use as well.

Look likes the site was very slow, then on/off time to time, and now 
for a week, I am totally cut off from it.


The other listed on openbsd.org are not as good by a long shut.

That's my primary source for the archive and I don't have it anymore.


read:
http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html#Archives

-JR

Re: Reminder about the X Aperture

[JR Dalrymple]

J.C. Roberts wrote:


On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:37:17 +0200, "Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Maybe the team should consider this for the OpenBSD 4.0 artwork.

Maybe with a tagline like "The Admin who could not read" or "Annie get
your Glasses".

OR, (in light of so many users who expect list members to hold their
hands) it could say something about the value of man pages.

I'm sure any new user who sees that on his new CD jewel case will think
twice before posting silly questions.
   



Maybe I'm just a bit too jaded but... 


These days, you see computer security mentioned on the nightly news, yet
there's never any mention of correctness or quality. The result has been
obvious; people have flocked to OpenBSD in hopes of attaining this
supposed "security" thing but they never realized there is a lot of work
and learning required.

The often used OpenBSD phrase "Secure By Default" actually encourages
the lazy attitudes and lack of learning. Worse yet, "Secure By Default"
is fairly misleading since systems are always secured by knowledge,
effort and dedication.

Though he dumbed down the details a lot, before Theo's post on this
thread, how many people had any clue how dangerous X and/or video
drivers (particularly closed source blob drivers) really are? More
importantly, how many people would extend the effort to try solving the
problem?

If a slogan was used that is less buzzword compliant, less inviting and
less misleading, the situation might improve or at least potential users
would be forewarned about the study and effort required.

Personally, I lean towards "Difficult By Default" but probably because
it also applies to my personality. ;-)

kind regards,
jcr

 

I think that man afterboot(8) should contain stuff that looks a lot like 
Theo's E-mail. Something with a little bit of scare so as to get my 
attention, but also something dumbed down to the point that I can read 
it. Of course it's a developers' OS, but if it's going to remain secure 
in the hands of someone like me stuff like Theo's E-mail will be very 
helpful. Moreover Theo's E-mail enticed my desire to learn more about 
the inherint problem associated with the "Evil in the video cards" (an 
honest "thank you" goes out for that).


Just my $0.02

-JR

Re: OpenBSD firewall

[JR Dalrymple]

Gustavo Rios wrote:


I am searching for materials that describe openbsd firewall not for
technically oriented folks.
I would like to convince management people on accepting openbsd. Some
thing that includes features, benefits and the like.

I have found none yet, even ssearching google.

All the best.

 


http://www.openbsd.org/papers/

-JR