Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 03:04:37PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:13:51PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: I am often unable to properly shutdown OpenBSD VMs, disks hang. Using virtio or not does not change that. I did not look into it very deeply yet so ... But I never saw this issue in Linux KVM. Thank you for your response. I'll do testing myself and see if that's still a problem or what else might be a factor. Thank you. Bryan Bryan, please put info about your testing public. I suppose more people would be interested. Thank you. jirib
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 05:57:32AM -0400, Jiri B wrote: please put info about your testing public. I suppose more people would be interested. I certainly will. I will write everything I find up in an article. Thank you. Bryan
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
Hi Antoine. I also have a hang problem when i use a cold stop on libvirt. No problem on VMWare ESX when i click on the shutdown button. On libvirt, when i click on this button the VM hang and then i need to kill the VM. (Archlinux kernel 3.11, but the problem was also present before. OpenBSD 5.3 VMs) -- Best regards, Loïc BLOT, UNIX systems, security and network engineer http://www.unix-experience.fr Le dimanche 20 octobre 2013 à 23:13 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot a écrit : On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:36:14PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:45:37PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: I personally use SmartOS and while it is an awesome system, OpenBSD does not always behave perfectly well under Solaris KVM. I've had several vdisk related issues. In my experience, Linux KVM is a better container for our OS. Could you elaborate on this? I've run OpenBSD under SmartOS briefly a few months ago and it seemed to run just fine on my own test box. Were you using the virtio(4) drivers? I did have network troubles when I tried them but that was early this year and using the non-virtio network setup seemed to work fine. I don't remember what I did for disk settings. I'll have to look at my backups. I am often unable to properly shutdown OpenBSD VMs, disks hang. Using virtio or not does not change that. I did not look into it very deeply yet so ... But I never saw this issue in Linux KVM. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 09:29:41PM +0200, Loïc BLOT wrote: Hi Antoine. I also have a hang problem when i use a cold stop on libvirt. No problem on VMWare ESX when i click on the shutdown button. On libvirt, when i click on this button the VM hang and then i need to kill the VM. (Archlinux kernel 3.11, but the problem was also present before. OpenBSD 5.3 VMs) The discussion was about running OpenBSD on SmartOS (Illumos distro). Your problem with libvirt is probably related to libvirt in Archlinux. I haven't seen problem with OpenBSD under RHEL/libvirt (in fact RHEVM). jirib
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On 10/08/13 21:16, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? Digital Ocean looks nice but they don't yet offer OpenBSD (https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-ocean/suggestions/3232571-support-bsd-os-). There's ARP Networks and TransIP but they don't offer clouds. Thanks. O.D. Hi O.D. Although I haven't tried spinning up a BSD machine, terramark has an option to spin up a blank server, essentially it's supposed to emulate a hardware system with no os. You can then attach a cd (which can be an iso), reboot the system and boot from OpenBSD media. You might give that a look. Aaron
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:45:37PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: I personally use SmartOS and while it is an awesome system, OpenBSD does not always behave perfectly well under Solaris KVM. I've had several vdisk related issues. In my experience, Linux KVM is a better container for our OS. Could you elaborate on this? I've run OpenBSD under SmartOS briefly a few months ago and it seemed to run just fine on my own test box. Were you using the virtio(4) drivers? I did have network troubles when I tried them but that was early this year and using the non-virtio network setup seemed to work fine. I don't remember what I did for disk settings. I'll have to look at my backups. Bryan
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 12:36:14PM -0700, Bryan Vyhmeister wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 08:45:37PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: I personally use SmartOS and while it is an awesome system, OpenBSD does not always behave perfectly well under Solaris KVM. I've had several vdisk related issues. In my experience, Linux KVM is a better container for our OS. Could you elaborate on this? I've run OpenBSD under SmartOS briefly a few months ago and it seemed to run just fine on my own test box. Were you using the virtio(4) drivers? I did have network troubles when I tried them but that was early this year and using the non-virtio network setup seemed to work fine. I don't remember what I did for disk settings. I'll have to look at my backups. I am often unable to properly shutdown OpenBSD VMs, disks hang. Using virtio or not does not change that. I did not look into it very deeply yet so ... But I never saw this issue in Linux KVM. -- Antoine
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Sun, Oct 20, 2013 at 11:13:51PM +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: I am often unable to properly shutdown OpenBSD VMs, disks hang. Using virtio or not does not change that. I did not look into it very deeply yet so ... But I never saw this issue in Linux KVM. Thank you for your response. I'll do testing myself and see if that's still a problem or what else might be a factor. Thank you. Bryan
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 12:55 AM, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: On 10. oktober 2013 at 7:15 AM, InterNetX - Robert Garrett robert.garr...@internetx.com wrote: I just want to know what a cloud is. Not really satisfied with the definition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing, here's my own attempt at one: A cloud is a bunch of machines connected into a distributed network, acting like a single virtual machine but with unlimited speed, memory and bandwidth, with the possibility of downtime completely eliminated, and where one only has to pay for the speed, memory and bandwidth one uses. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Virtue: knowing when to put the pitcher of kool-aid down. How many times have I heard the brazen promises of cloud, only to see it not deliver. There's been a few delivers, but it's just technology and is therefore capable of not living up to marketing hype and to being implemented poorly by adopters. I see lots of both. Trends and hype haven't really been as strong in OpenBSD as other OSes, so for cloud I'd probably not be looking at OpenBSD. DS
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
I just want to know what a cloud is. On 10/09/2013 09:05 PM, Dorian H. wrote: I've got a few OpenBSD boxes running at TransIP, very satisfied about it. QEMU/KVM based, and they recently added a new feature, 'private networks' between two or more VPS's. It might not explicitly have the label 'cloud' attached to it, but still very nice; and quite cheap as well. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Antoine Jacoutot ajacou...@bsdfrog.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 02:31:02PM -0400, Jiri B wrote: What about Joyent? They ported KVM from Linux to Solaris and they run it under zones. I would trust more Solaris based solution they some hackish Linux setups where every VM runs under root :) I personally use SmartOS and while it is an awesome system, OpenBSD does not always behave perfectly well under Solaris KVM. I've had several vdisk related issues. In my experience, Linux KVM is a better container for our OS. -- Antoine
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:15 AM, InterNetX - Robert Garrett robert.garr...@internetx.com wrote: I just want to know what a cloud is. Just a fancy word for 'The Internet' -- chs
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On 10. oktober 2013 at 7:15 AM, InterNetX - Robert Garrett robert.garr...@internetx.com wrote: I just want to know what a cloud is. Not really satisfied with the definition at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing, here's my own attempt at one: A cloud is a bunch of machines connected into a distributed network, acting like a single virtual machine but with unlimited speed, memory and bandwidth, with the possibility of downtime completely eliminated, and where one only has to pay for the speed, memory and bandwidth one uses. Please correct me if I'm wrong. O.D.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:15:34AM +0200, InterNetX - Robert Garrett wrote: I just want to know what a cloud is. http://xkcd.com/908/ -- I'm not entirely sure you are real.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
Clouds solve problems for you. Like this: http://www.cloudave.com/17213/cloud-is-simple-well-its-real-complex-but-that-complexity-can-and-should-be-hidden-from-users/geek-poke-cloud-complex/ 2013/10/10 Florian Obser flor...@narrans.de On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:15:34AM +0200, InterNetX - Robert Garrett wrote: I just want to know what a cloud is. http://xkcd.com/908/ -- I'm not entirely sure you are real. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On 10. oktober 2013 at 10:34 AM, Janne Johansson icepic...@gmail.com wrote: Clouds solve problems for you. Like this: http://www.cloudave.com/17213/cloud-is-simple-well-its-real- complex-but-that-complexity-can-and-should-be-hidden-from- users/geek-poke-cloud-complex/ 2013/10/10 Florian Obser flor...@narrans.de On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 09:15:34AM +0200, InterNetX - Robert Garrett wrote: I just want to know what a cloud is. http://xkcd.com/908/ -- I'm not entirely sure you are real. -- May the most significant bit of your life be positive. Too cool :) O.D.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On 10/10/13 09:55, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: On 10. oktober 2013 at 7:15 AM, InterNetX - Robert Garrett robert.garr...@internetx.com wrote: with the possibility of downtime completely eliminated, Please correct me if I'm wrong. You're obviously at least partly wrong. /Alexander
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 6:16 PM, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? No experience with their cloud services, but M5 Hosting proudly offers OpenBSD options. Maybe worth checking out: http://www.m5cloud.com/ -- Darren Spruell phatbuck...@gmail.com
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On 9/10/2013 12:16 PM, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? CloudSigma do. Looks like you can do a short trial as well. http://www.cloudsigma.com/2013/09/26/running-freebsd-netbsd-and-openbsd-in-the-cloud/
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
Hi, arpnetworks is other option. 2013/10/8 openda...@hushmail.com Hi, Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? Digital Ocean looks nice but they don't yet offer OpenBSD ( https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-ocean/suggestions/3232571-support-bsd-os- ). There's ARP Networks and TransIP but they don't offer clouds. Thanks. O.D.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Beto b...@compumundohypermegared.org wrote: Hi, arpnetworks is other option. arpnetwork is simple VM, no cloud. I think no support for OpenBSD cloud at this time Regards 2013/10/8 openda...@hushmail.com Hi, Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? Digital Ocean looks nice but they don't yet offer OpenBSD ( https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-ocean/suggestions/3232571-support-bsd-os- ). There's ARP Networks and TransIP but they don't offer clouds. Thanks. O.D. -- Francisco Valladolid H. -- http://blog.bsdguy.net - Jesus Christ follower.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
cloudsigma does qemu/KVM cloud hosting. i've spun up openbsd VMs there. too pricey for my needs, but maybe it'll work out for you. http://www.cloudsigma.com/ -w On Wed, 9 Oct 2013, at 17:29, Francisco Valladolid H. wrote: On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Beto b...@compumundohypermegared.org wrote: Hi, arpnetworks is other option. arpnetwork is simple VM, no cloud. I think no support for OpenBSD cloud at this time Regards 2013/10/8 openda...@hushmail.com Hi, Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? Digital Ocean looks nice but they don't yet offer OpenBSD ( https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-ocean/suggestions/3232571-support-bsd-os- ). There's ARP Networks and TransIP but they don't offer clouds. Thanks. O.D. -- Francisco Valladolid H. -- http://blog.bsdguy.net - Jesus Christ follower.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 01:16:54AM +, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Hi, Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? Digital Ocean looks nice but they don't yet offer OpenBSD (https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-ocean/suggestions/3232571-support-bsd-os-). There's ARP Networks and TransIP but they don't offer clouds. Thanks. O.D. What about Joyent? They ported KVM from Linux to Solaris and they run it under zones. I would trust more Solaris based solution they some hackish Linux setups where every VM runs under root :) j.
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 02:31:02PM -0400, Jiri B wrote: What about Joyent? They ported KVM from Linux to Solaris and they run it under zones. I would trust more Solaris based solution they some hackish Linux setups where every VM runs under root :) I personally use SmartOS and while it is an awesome system, OpenBSD does not always behave perfectly well under Solaris KVM. I've had several vdisk related issues. In my experience, Linux KVM is a better container for our OS. -- Antoine
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On 10/09/13 03:16, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? RootBSD are quite good, I have been using them for a few years now with zero downtime. A bit more pricey compaired to Digital Ocean, but they are solid and support new releases rather quickly. http://www.rootbsd.net/services/virtual-servers-vps/
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
I've got a few OpenBSD boxes running at TransIP, very satisfied about it. QEMU/KVM based, and they recently added a new feature, 'private networks' between two or more VPS's. It might not explicitly have the label 'cloud' attached to it, but still very nice; and quite cheap as well. On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:45 PM, Antoine Jacoutot ajacou...@bsdfrog.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 09, 2013 at 02:31:02PM -0400, Jiri B wrote: What about Joyent? They ported KVM from Linux to Solaris and they run it under zones. I would trust more Solaris based solution they some hackish Linux setups where every VM runs under root :) I personally use SmartOS and while it is an awesome system, OpenBSD does not always behave perfectly well under Solaris KVM. I've had several vdisk related issues. In my experience, Linux KVM is a better container for our OS. -- Antoine
Re: Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
On 9. oktober 2013 at 7:06 PM, Dorian H. doj...@gmail.com wrote: I've got a few OpenBSD boxes running at TransIP, very satisfied about it. QEMU/KVM based, and they recently added a new feature, 'private networks' between two or more VPS's. It might not explicitly have the label 'cloud' attached to it, but still very nice; and quite cheap as well. TransIP's OpenBSD boxes do not have virtio. Have you tried running I/O intensive tasks on your servers to see how they compare to normal servers? O.D.
Best OpenBSD cloud hosting?
Hi, Can anyone recommend a decent OpenBSD cloud hosting provider? Digital Ocean looks nice but they don't yet offer OpenBSD (https://digitalocean.uservoice.com/forums/136585-digital-ocean/suggestions/3232571-support-bsd-os-). There's ARP Networks and TransIP but they don't offer clouds. Thanks. O.D.
