Re: Installing Skype
On 26/03/07, Stuart Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007/03/26 08:32, Adam Hawes wrote: so you can use any SIP-compatible soft or hard-phone. if you know of a SIP soft-phone that's not designed-for-linux unportable junk, I'd be interested. Yes, I'm trying to find one too. -- viq
Re: Installing Skype
On 2007/03/26 08:32, Adam Hawes wrote: so you can use any SIP-compatible soft or hard-phone. if you know of a SIP soft-phone that's not designed-for-linux unportable junk, I'd be interested.
Re: Installing Skype
Yes, you are right, I need it for my work, so I have not choice, and I do not want to use Linux nor windows. I have not solved my trouble although the lib needed I have it in /usr/local/emul/redhat/lib/, however when I try to run ./skype I have the same error. I don`t know what to do. Regards --- Tobias Weisserth [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribis: Hi, On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:03 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 11:35, Tobias Weisserth wrote: On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Rafael Morales wrote: I need the shared library libasound.so.2, anybody could send to me ???, I don't have a linux box here. I need my box rooted, can anybody please send me a trojaned binary library I have to trust blindly? Tobias, You telling the above good advice to someone, Rafael, who is *already* trying to install a trojaned binary (skype) on their OpenBSD system. Skype is dangerous. Periord. End of discussion. You're preaching to the converted. My parents Mandrake box got routed through Skype last year, because they didn't upgrade Skype to a newer version. From the emails in this thread we know he needs it for work, so he hasn't really got a choice. There's no other client to the Skype network. Maybe there's a way to lockin Skype in systrace. On openSUSE I locked Skype in with AppArmor for my parents. If you need to talk to people on Skype you don't really have a choice. regards, Tobias W.
Re: Installing Skype
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 12:03:54PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 11:35, Tobias Weisserth wrote: On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Rafael Morales wrote: I need the shared library libasound.so.2, anybody could send to me ???, I don't have a linux box here. I need my box rooted, can anybody please send me a trojaned binary library I have to trust blindly? Tobias, You telling the above good advice to someone, Rafael, who is *already* trying to install a trojaned binary (skype) on their OpenBSD system. Skype is dangerous. Periord. End of discussion. Fortunately, when someone writes end of discussion, the discussion actually doesn't have to end, as you are seeing right now. Here is a bibliography that supports the claim better than a proclamation Periord. http://blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf See page 104 which seems to claim that there is an arithmetic overflow in skype. Even a screenshot of cracked system is supplied. Though, it's not difficult to fabricate such a screenshot with GIMP ;-) CL If anyone doesn't believe the above statement of fact, they have only two possible ways to prove or disprove it: 1.) Have the many months of time and highly advanced reverse engineering skills necessary to fully audit the skype binaries including getting around their executable packing, morphing, validation, anti-debugging and other nasty ways of preventing much needed auditing and analysis. __OR__ 2.) Just read the damn skype licnese which requires you to agree to let your system and bandwidth be used for any known or unknown purposes that eBay/Skype wants. jcr
Re: Installing Skype
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 03:26:25PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 12:13, Tobias Weisserth wrote: From the emails in this thread we know he needs it for work, so he hasn't really got a choice. There's no other client to the Skype network. Maybe there's a way to lockin Skype in systrace. On openSUSE I locked Skype in with AppArmor for my parents. If you need to talk to people on Skype you don't really have a choice. Well, it might not work for everyone but I took a different approach to solving the skype problem. I decided to be a prick and require people using Skype to have a standard phone number via SkypeIn. Being locked into the insecure, proprietary skype world is really their problem and I refuse to join them. Once you have a standard way to contact the skype user via a normal phone number, then you are free to deploy and use whatever you want on your end to reduce your costs... -http://www.asterisk.org/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. -http://www.openwengo.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. -http://www.gizmoproject.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. The guy wants it on OpenBSD. CL -http://www.google.com/talk/ (supposedly SIP soon -see link below) -http://code.google.com/apis/talk/open_communications.html -whatever -long distance plan on your cell phone -and surprisingly enough, even your PTSN land line The above should be enough to make anyone wonder if they actually *need* skype at all but if someone decides to use and pay for skype, then it's their responisibility to become compatible with the rest of the world. jcr
Re: Installing Skype
On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 09:48:35PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 03:26:25PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 12:13, Tobias Weisserth wrote: From the emails in this thread we know he needs it for work, so he hasn't really got a choice. There's no other client to the Skype network. Maybe there's a way to lockin Skype in systrace. On openSUSE I locked Skype in with AppArmor for my parents. If you need to talk to people on Skype you don't really have a choice. Well, it might not work for everyone but I took a different approach to solving the skype problem. I decided to be a prick and require people using Skype to have a standard phone number via SkypeIn. Being locked into the insecure, proprietary skype world is really their problem and I refuse to join them. Once you have a standard way to contact the skype user via a normal phone number, then you are free to deploy and use whatever you want on your end to reduce your costs... -http://www.asterisk.org/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. Then you did something wrong, as there's a port. -http://www.openwengo.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. -http://www.gizmoproject.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. No idea whether or not those work. Joachim
Re: Installing Skype
After all this talk about blob-only software... Skype is absolute proof of why we shouldn't have blob-only software. The recent hoo-ha about it grabbing BIOS dumps and sending them back to the servers on X86 machines really shows that software can do nasty things. Nobody even noticed because they do it very discretely. -http://www.asterisk.org/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. Not only is there a port, but there was some banter on this list from people who have it working on OpenBSD just last week! -http://www.openwengo.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. The secret sauce is available for browsing so it wouldn't be that hard to port. I am gathering it's mostly the audio interface that differs between Linux and BSD. -http://www.gizmoproject.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. I see not the sauce for Gizmo anywhere. http://www.freeworlddialup.com is free, and standards compliant so you can use any SIP-compatible soft or hard-phone. The only thing they're really missing is callout/in, and even then they have a project in the works for that. Regards, A
Re: Installing Skype
On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 10:36:37PM +0200, Joachim Schipper wrote: On Sun, Mar 25, 2007 at 09:48:35PM +0200, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 03:26:25PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Friday 23 March 2007 12:13, Tobias Weisserth wrote: From the emails in this thread we know he needs it for work, so he hasn't really got a choice. There's no other client to the Skype network. Maybe there's a way to lockin Skype in systrace. On openSUSE I locked Skype in with AppArmor for my parents. If you need to talk to people on Skype you don't really have a choice. Well, it might not work for everyone but I took a different approach to solving the skype problem. I decided to be a prick and require people using Skype to have a standard phone number via SkypeIn. Being locked into the insecure, proprietary skype world is really their problem and I refuse to join them. Once you have a standard way to contact the skype user via a normal phone number, then you are free to deploy and use whatever you want on your end to reduce your costs... -http://www.asterisk.org/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. Then you did something wrong, as there's a port. No in the port Asterisk cannot work as a SIP client. Asterisk works as a SIP server - I had it running under OpenBSD and it worked just fine, clients could register and could be called, etc. But the guy wants a SIP client. Asterisk can do this, but needs some extra modules for this - audio output, dial etc. And the audio module is disabled in the OpenBSD port because it doesn't compile. CL -http://www.openwengo.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. -http://www.gizmoproject.com/ Tried on OpenBSD, doesn't work. No idea whether or not those work. Joachim
Re: Installing Skype
Hi there, On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Rafael Morales wrote: I have OpenBSD 4.0 on a HP laptop and I need to install Skype because is for the comunication in my job and I have the freedom for install my lovely OpenBSD. This what I have done: 1. I installed the redhat_base-8.0p8.tgz for the emulation. 2. Download the skype-0_90_0_1.rpm and installed it with the /emul/linux/bin/rpm, all seemed good. 3. If I try to run it, I just see a error message looking for the lib file libXss.so.1. If someone has installed the skype could help me please ???. Skype is a buggy piece of sh*t. If you have to use it, then wrap it in a solid systrace policy if that's possible at all. I don't know about systrace and Linux emulation on OpenBSD. I wouldn't use the rpm, I'd instead download the statically linked file that's available on the Skype site: http://www.skype.org/go/getskype-linux-static That should solve all library issues. kind regards, Tobias W.
Re: Installing Skype
On Fri, Mar 23, 2007 at 09:26:53AM +0100, Tobias Weisserth wrote: I wouldn't use the rpm, I'd instead download the statically linked file that's available on the Skype site: http://www.skype.org/go/getskype-linux-static That should solve all library issues. I did look at this once before. IIRC, Skype requires ALSA sound libs, which are not part of Linux emulation. The static executable has qt statically linked, which solves only one piece of the puzzle.
Re: Installing Skype
I have downloaded, but where I put the uncompressed folder ??. I put it under /emul/linux, but how do I execute it ?? --- Tobias Weisserth [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribis: Hi there, On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Rafael Morales wrote: I have OpenBSD 4.0 on a HP laptop and I need to install Skype because is for the comunication in my job and I have the freedom for install my lovely OpenBSD. This what I have done: 1. I installed the redhat_base-8.0p8.tgz for the emulation. 2. Download the skype-0_90_0_1.rpm and installed it with the /emul/linux/bin/rpm, all seemed good. 3. If I try to run it, I just see a error message looking for the lib file libXss.so.1. If someone has installed the skype could help me please ???. Skype is a buggy piece of sh*t. If you have to use it, then wrap it in a solid systrace policy if that's possible at all. I don't know about systrace and Linux emulation on OpenBSD. I wouldn't use the rpm, I'd instead download the statically linked file that's available on the Skype site: http://www.skype.org/go/getskype-linux-static That should solve all library issues. kind regards, Tobias W.
Re: Installing Skype
I need the shared library libasound.so.2, anybody could send to me ???, I don't have a linux box here. Regards --- Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribis: The large file called 'skype' is the binary. Just execute it (go to a command line, cd to that directory, chmod +x it if necessary, and then just type ./skype). If linux emulation is set up properly OpenBSD should figure out that it's a linux program and hook it correctly. On 3/23/07, Rafael Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have downloaded, but where I put the uncompressed folder ??. I put it under /emul/linux, but how do I execute it ?? --- Tobias Weisserth [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribis: Hi there, On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Rafael Morales wrote: I have OpenBSD 4.0 on a HP laptop and I need to install Skype because is for the comunication in my job and I have the freedom for install my lovely OpenBSD. This what I have done: 1. I installed the redhat_base-8.0p8.tgz for the emulation. 2. Download the skype-0_90_0_1.rpm and installed it with the /emul/linux/bin/rpm, all seemed good. 3. If I try to run it, I just see a error message looking for the lib file libXss.so.1. If someone has installed the skype could help me please ???. Skype is a buggy piece of sh*t. If you have to use it, then wrap it in a solid systrace policy if that's possible at all. I don't know about systrace and Linux emulation on OpenBSD. I wouldn't use the rpm, I'd instead download the statically linked file that's available on the Skype site: http://www.skype.org/go/getskype-linux-static That should solve all library issues. kind regards, Tobias W.
Re: Installing Skype
Hi, On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Rafael Morales wrote: I need the shared library libasound.so.2, anybody could send to me ???, I don't have a linux box here. I need my box rooted, can anybody please send me a trojaned binary library I have to trust blindly? If you really need binary libraries at least try to get them from a trustworthy source. Use any of the RPM search engines and search for an RPM package that contains that library. Use a RPM package from any of the official mirrors of major distributions. Download the RPM, verify its signature with GnuPG and extract its contents. The GnuPG key to verify against should be on the installation CDs of the distribution. Maybe packages even have MD5 sums, I don't know... Good luck! Tobias W.
Re: Installing Skype
On Friday 23 March 2007 11:35, Tobias Weisserth wrote: On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Rafael Morales wrote: I need the shared library libasound.so.2, anybody could send to me ???, I don't have a linux box here. I need my box rooted, can anybody please send me a trojaned binary library I have to trust blindly? Tobias, You telling the above good advice to someone, Rafael, who is *already* trying to install a trojaned binary (skype) on their OpenBSD system. Skype is dangerous. Periord. End of discussion. If anyone doesn't believe the above statement of fact, they have only two possible ways to prove or disprove it: 1.) Have the many months of time and highly advanced reverse engineering skills necessary to fully audit the skype binaries including getting around their executable packing, morphing, validation, anti-debugging and other nasty ways of preventing much needed auditing and analysis. __OR__ 2.) Just read the damn skype licnese which requires you to agree to let your system and bandwidth be used for any known or unknown purposes that eBay/Skype wants. jcr
Re: Installing Skype
I need the shared library libasound.so.2, anybody could send to me ???, I donde have a linux box here Regards and thanks --- Nick ! [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribis: The large file called 'skype' is the binary. Just execute it (go to a command line, cd to that directory, chmod +x it if necessary, and then just type ./skype). If linux emulation is set up properly OpenBSD should figure out that it's a linux program and hook it correctly. On 3/23/07, Rafael Morales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have downloaded, but where I put the uncompressed folder ??. I put it under /emul/linux, but how do I execute it ?? --- Tobias Weisserth [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribis: Hi there, On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:47 AM, Rafael Morales wrote: I have OpenBSD 4.0 on a HP laptop and I need to install Skype because is for the comunication in my job and I have the freedom for install my lovely OpenBSD. This what I have done: 1. I installed the redhat_base-8.0p8.tgz for the emulation. 2. Download the skype-0_90_0_1.rpm and installed it with the /emul/linux/bin/rpm, all seemed good. 3. If I try to run it, I just see a error message looking for the lib file libXss.so.1. If someone has installed the skype could help me please ???. Skype is a buggy piece of sh*t. If you have to use it, then wrap it in a solid systrace policy if that's possible at all. I don't know about systrace and Linux emulation on OpenBSD. I wouldn't use the rpm, I'd instead download the statically linked file that's available on the Skype site: http://www.skype.org/go/getskype-linux-static That should solve all library issues. kind regards, Tobias W.
Re: Installing Skype
On Friday 23 March 2007 12:13, Tobias Weisserth wrote: From the emails in this thread we know he needs it for work, so he hasn't really got a choice. There's no other client to the Skype network. Maybe there's a way to lockin Skype in systrace. On openSUSE I locked Skype in with AppArmor for my parents. If you need to talk to people on Skype you don't really have a choice. Well, it might not work for everyone but I took a different approach to solving the skype problem. I decided to be a prick and require people using Skype to have a standard phone number via SkypeIn. Being locked into the insecure, proprietary skype world is really their problem and I refuse to join them. Once you have a standard way to contact the skype user via a normal phone number, then you are free to deploy and use whatever you want on your end to reduce your costs... -http://www.asterisk.org/ -http://www.openwengo.com/ -http://www.gizmoproject.com/ -http://www.google.com/talk/ (supposedly SIP soon -see link below) -http://code.google.com/apis/talk/open_communications.html -whatever -long distance plan on your cell phone -and surprisingly enough, even your PTSN land line The above should be enough to make anyone wonder if they actually *need* skype at all but if someone decides to use and pay for skype, then it's their responisibility to become compatible with the rest of the world. jcr
Installing Skype
I have OpenBSD 4.0 on a HP laptop and I need to install Skype because is for the comunication in my job and I have the freedom for install my lovely OpenBSD. This what I have done: 1. I installed the redhat_base-8.0p8.tgz for the emulation. 2. Download the skype-0_90_0_1.rpm and installed it with the /emul/linux/bin/rpm, all seemed good. 3. If I try to run it, I just see a error message looking for the lib file libXss.so.1. If someone has installed the skype could help me please ???. Regards
