Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
> On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 05:38:43AM -0800, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: >> Having a bare metal server/dedicated server capable to run 20/25 VMs, >> that >> are going to be used by users who want to learn how to Administer >> OpenBSD >> correctly. After that the new users become Admin of their own Server and >> so on. > > A, so once new users have been 'trained', they then become educators > themselves, rent a server, (from the same hosting company), and 'train' > other > new users, is that it? Yes, it is, exept that one can do it on ones own server! > > If so, then it's basically a pyramid scheme. > >> the "Learning it, doing it" method. The Method, is tutored action, anything else. > > Seems to me that in this case, there is a lot of "talking about it", and > not > much else. >
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
It seems to me that the only interesting stuff said in the thread is from Anders Andersson : > I don't understand [ ... ] it is trivial for anyone today to > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > operating system. that sounds like many of us don't like more the overkilling resources and effort needed to mantain a development or testing environment made of VMs - all but a solid one, indeed. And by logic also the thought to go live with our own development environment doesnt and wont take in with much support. We probably do not like any cartel music anymore, ops. Then going off-topic the interesting subject to talk about could be how OpenBSD can make us happy in the years to come, in building our dev and testing environment.. Eg. Could be OpenBSD the first operating system to allow us to decide which fragrance to load at boot time from our own externalusb.i/mnt/Machine_Repo? These are themes that probably can be more interesting to all than trivial schemes that yes are good ones (I have some great discount plans for my clients indeed..) but are not that attractive poison any more. Feb 24, 2023 11:38:40 Anders Andersson : > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > operating system.
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
On Sat, Feb 25, 2023 at 05:38:43AM -0800, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: > Having a bare metal server/dedicated server capable to run 20/25 VMs, that > are going to be used by users who want to learn how to Administer OpenBSD > correctly. After that the new users become Admin of their own Server and > so on. A, so once new users have been 'trained', they then become educators themselves, rent a server, (from the same hosting company), and 'train' other new users, is that it? If so, then it's basically a pyramid scheme. > the "Learning it, doing it" method. Seems to me that in this case, there is a lot of "talking about it", and not much else.
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 9:33 PM wrote: > >> > On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: >> > >> >> Hello Misc >> >> >> >> I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just >> as a >> >> User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and >> >> OpenBSD >> >> is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and >> >> Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! >> It >> >> means one have to learn properly! >> >> >> >> I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! >> >> >> >> The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain >> number >> >> of >> >> VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. >> >> >> > >> > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today >> to >> > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any >> > operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting? >> > >> >> The purpose is Freedom, independence! and OpenBSD could be the >> appropriated OS, please look; users offering services to users: >> >> https://oddprotocol.org/ >> https://bsdforall.org/ >> > > But a cloud provider can't possibly be more free and independent than your > own computer. I still don't think I understand the purpose, are you going > to offer some kind of OpenBSD teaching and need to share the screen with > the user? I mean, what part of learning OpenBSD is better done using a > third-party host? > Their proposition is: Having a bare metal server/dedicated server capable to run 20/25 VMs, that are going to be used by users who want to learn how to Administer OpenBSD correctly. After that the new users become Admin of their own Server and so on. I discover this project few weeks ago, and only know what i share. But for me the idea of learning against to be teached is interesting! I obtained 2 specialization using the "Learning it, doing it" method.
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 9:33 PM wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: > > > >> Hello Misc > >> > >> I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a > >> User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and > >> OpenBSD > >> is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and > >> Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It > >> means one have to learn properly! > >> > >> I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! > >> > >> The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number > >> of > >> VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. > >> > > > > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to > > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > > operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting? > > > > The purpose is Freedom, independence! and OpenBSD could be the > appropriated OS, please look; users offering services to users: > > https://oddprotocol.org/ > https://bsdforall.org/ > But a cloud provider can't possibly be more free and independent than your own computer. I still don't think I understand the purpose, are you going to offer some kind of OpenBSD teaching and need to share the screen with the user? I mean, what part of learning OpenBSD is better done using a third-party host?
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
> I agree with Anderson, I dont see the need for this, especially in > Canada. If we need OpenBSD VMs that we dont just fire up our own machine, > there are lots of options for OpenBSD VMs for free in Canada, and there > are paid options where the funds come back to the OpenBSD Foundation (ex. > OpenBSD Amsterdam). > > Sincerely, > Katie > Yes, i live in Canada, and i have 3 VMs in my Laptop; but the idea is create a bunch of servers (bare metal hosts administered by teams) to build a system that permit to learn for free, using 1 VM; how to use OpenBSD appropriately. The benefit that i see, is that in this case; OpenBSD is going to be used as an OpenBSD Operating System! Not as if it were Linux, what is not really bad! Please look their work: https://wiki.ircnow.org/index.php?n=Minutemin.Bootcamp > From: owner-m...@openbsd.org on behalf of Anders > Andersson > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 5:35:36 AM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Cc: latin...@vcn.bc.ca > Subject: Re: Learning pure OpenBSD > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: > >> Hello Misc >> >> I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a >> User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and >> OpenBSD >> is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and >> Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It >> means one have to learn properly! >> >> I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! >> >> The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number >> of >> VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. >> > > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting? >
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: > >> Hello Misc >> >> I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a >> User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and >> OpenBSD >> is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and >> Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It >> means one have to learn properly! >> >> I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! >> >> The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number >> of >> VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. >> > > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting? > The purpose is Freedom, independence! and OpenBSD could be the appropriated OS, please look; users offering services to users: https://oddprotocol.org/ https://bsdforall.org/
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Iff you don't have the hardware to spare and want to play with various OBSD () Incarnations, try a cheap cloud service like https://www.vultr.com/ Dhu On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 16:10:28 + Katherine Mcmillan wrote: > I agree with Anderson, I don’t see the need for this, especially in Canada. > If we need OpenBSD VMs that we don’t just fire up our own machine, there are > lots of options for OpenBSD VMs for free in Canada, and there are paid > options where the funds come back to the OpenBSD Foundation (ex. OpenBSD > Amsterdam). > > Sincerely, > Katie > > From: owner-m...@openbsd.org on behalf of Anders > Andersson > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 5:35:36 AM > To: misc@openbsd.org > Cc: latin...@vcn.bc.ca > Subject: Re: Learning pure OpenBSD > > Attention : courriel externe | external email > > On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: > > > Hello Misc > > > > I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a > > User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and OpenBSD > > is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and > > Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It > > means one have to learn properly! > > > > I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! > > > > The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number of > > VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. > > > > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to > fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any > operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting? > -- Je suis Canadien. Ce n'est pas Francais ou Anglais. C'est une esp`ece de sauvage: ne obliviscaris, vix ea nostra voco;-) Duncan Patton a Campbell -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQGzBAEBCAAdFiEEqge1PVqb4YiiKJRjW+0jaAWoWygFAmP4/oAACgkQW+0jaAWo WyhpBgv/WJB2/mVTfVA4A6g1hyQNgZplyOREWjStvQj5yEeIrwsmghjctPUkI0Kr OvVzojVAGLt3z2J7NiXQAavgGWLdXYPYwuLwqrd983iZmDWpYAPCswco4UlthkaK Sq249p487NvCgUNQ2cmFlfYkGUCDezM5fHCqKyVIOWcni2PrxLb66ZguKrMFDlN+ iE5Wvk2xeV5z4TcEmo6dIgMIbfWTYsoPBDQpcmw2RghP0ToQqDu7eBiEXlTz3AEu tt5wj0WlG02RDtKgGFVbib1BexFQE0jFYAgMsOdahbEkk8/jstP2eSGow62LDnqc o9pR03/64UdhgrPbA0u89a7B3wH3fVsJtTcsGkz1cT5q6mkZMlDqXguKZSRJTRjS mQ6SBJydIzFy5JrAZbRS2Sqh7lrSj6NEgwC+OD00lZtqV8+9xGshOxef/QU3zGdl eZnLzZiloyzK2AjNqdwkSofwPYB/uLiIL1R8FKUHtM1yujniUQ6wzvCPgw9bu2WF CrhtaVzF =HeJs -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
I agree with Anderson, I don’t see the need for this, especially in Canada. If we need OpenBSD VMs that we don’t just fire up our own machine, there are lots of options for OpenBSD VMs for free in Canada, and there are paid options where the funds come back to the OpenBSD Foundation (ex. OpenBSD Amsterdam). Sincerely, Katie From: owner-m...@openbsd.org on behalf of Anders Andersson Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 5:35:36 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Cc: latin...@vcn.bc.ca Subject: Re: Learning pure OpenBSD Attention : courriel externe | external email On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: > Hello Misc > > I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a > User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and OpenBSD > is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and > Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It > means one have to learn properly! > > I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! > > The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number of > VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting?
Re: Learning pure OpenBSD
On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:38 PM wrote: > Hello Misc > > I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a > User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and OpenBSD > is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and > Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It > means one have to learn properly! > > I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! > > The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number of > VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. > I don't understand the purpose of this, it is trivial for anyone today to fire up a VM on their own computer and test different aspects of any operating system. Why would anyone need external paid hosting?
Learning pure OpenBSD
Hello Misc I have used OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian for almost 23 years, just as a User! But i think that Linux is a Linus Kernel with many app; and OpenBSD is a complete OS, then the Administration in Linux could be Test and Error, but in OpenBSD must be on the base of know what you are doing! It means one have to learn properly! I am curios about this Learning Pure OpenBSD project at ircnow.org! The basic idea is to pay for a qualified Server to host certain number of VMs for exclusive porpose to learn pure OpenBSD. I am able to pay for 1 server, but i know OpenBSD just as a user; my field is Agriculture! This information is for Theo and openbsd team; if you think it could be useful, please tell me; if there is not interest, please excuse the noise. Thanks
