Re: Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 05:33:56PM -0700, Dag Richards wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote: > >But really, those of you are telling him that are MISSING THE POINT > >ENTIRELY. > > Oh time to help is it? > Where to send the cheque? I'm sending $500 so we can get this done. Details are here in case anyone else needs them: http://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20131118060855 Bryan
Re: Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
Theo de Raadt wrote: On 2013-10-30, Aaron Mason wrote: Is the fan functioning? If so, have you tried opening up the laptop and re-applying thermal grease to the CPU? If the laptop has a few years under its belt, the old grease could have perished. While this might give the machine a bit more life, a laptop old enough to have suffered this is not the most ideal of machines to be used for ports development work which frequently involves building fairly large pieces of software. It's all well and nice to try to recommend that a developer who works on many of the ports you use -- go fix his fan... But really, those of you are telling him that are MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY. Oh no we get the point the dev is just a freeloader looking for a hand out of some free hardware. Where the rest of us have to work hard and pay for all the hardware and software . we get Right 'cause we pay good money for the BSD software we run our businesses on not to mention the expensive support contracts required. Oh time to help is it? Where to send the cheque? -- IS-IS sleeps. BGP peers are quiet. Something must be wrong.
Re: Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
> On 2013-10-30, Aaron Mason wrote: > > Is the fan functioning? If so, have you tried opening up the laptop > > and re-applying thermal grease to the CPU? If the laptop has a few > > years under its belt, the old grease could have perished. > > While this might give the machine a bit more life, a laptop old enough > to have suffered this is not the most ideal of machines to be used for ports > development work which frequently involves building fairly large pieces of > software. It's all well and nice to try to recommend that a developer who works on many of the ports you use -- go fix his fan... But really, those of you are telling him that are MISSING THE POINT ENTIRELY.
Re: Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
On 2013-10-30, Aaron Mason wrote: > Is the fan functioning? If so, have you tried opening up the laptop > and re-applying thermal grease to the CPU? If the laptop has a few > years under its belt, the old grease could have perished. While this might give the machine a bit more life, a laptop old enough to have suffered this is not the most ideal of machines to be used for ports development work which frequently involves building fairly large pieces of software.
Re: Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 04:04:42PM +0100, Riccardo Mottola wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/30/13 12:18, Aaron Mason wrote: > >On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brad Smith wrote: > >>Hi, > >> > >>I added an entry to want.html as I am looking for a laptop to replace the > >>laptop I have at the moment which has some really bad heat related issues > >>and I have been hobbling along with it for awhile now. I am in the Toronto > >>area. I thought I would post to misc@ for some greater exposure. Is there > >>anyone that would be able to help me out? > >Hi Brad > > > >Is the fan functioning? If so, have you tried opening up the laptop > >and re-applying thermal grease to the CPU? If the laptop has a few > >years under its belt, the old grease could have perished. > > > >We had a similar issue with our ageing fleet of Dell Latitude D630s > >where the GPU was overheating and causing random crashes and graphics > >artefacts, and that cleared the problem up nicely if we got to it > >before it caused permanent damage to the GPU. That rarely happened > >since the laptops were used in rather remote areas and thanks to the > >moron who came before us they plugged on without letting us know what > >happened, but we managed to rescue a handful of them until they > >succumbed to other kinds of hardware failure, finally convincing > >management to shell out for some replacement laptops that were covered > >by 3 years of hardware support. > > > >Hope this helps. > Be sure that all fans are "clean" sometimes fans and grids look > clean, but in the corners you need to clean it better. Usually you > need to at least remove the keyboard and blow from the inside or > check visually. Better airflow means at least less noise! I too > fixed a freezing Dell D600 this way! Further to verifying things are actually clean, as someone who worked in a warranty depot servicing toshiba/hp/acer machines predominently, the way you blow out your fans and grates is also important! :) Always always best to blow through the grates toward the fan ports, basically making sure air you blow is going opposite to the direction the fans blow. Lots of people force air through the fans, see some dust come out the grates, and call it a day. In actual fact, they have now severely lodged dust bunnies into the inside of the grates, requiring a full teardown to properly clean it. Finally, on my thinkpads, my last t41p i had to take apart 3-4 times in its final years to reapply grease before the gpu finally bit the bucket, that being said I have a feeling Brad has already done all this. Cheers, -ryan > > Riccardo
Re: Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
Hi, On 10/30/13 12:18, Aaron Mason wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brad Smith wrote: Hi, I added an entry to want.html as I am looking for a laptop to replace the laptop I have at the moment which has some really bad heat related issues and I have been hobbling along with it for awhile now. I am in the Toronto area. I thought I would post to misc@ for some greater exposure. Is there anyone that would be able to help me out? Hi Brad Is the fan functioning? If so, have you tried opening up the laptop and re-applying thermal grease to the CPU? If the laptop has a few years under its belt, the old grease could have perished. We had a similar issue with our ageing fleet of Dell Latitude D630s where the GPU was overheating and causing random crashes and graphics artefacts, and that cleared the problem up nicely if we got to it before it caused permanent damage to the GPU. That rarely happened since the laptops were used in rather remote areas and thanks to the moron who came before us they plugged on without letting us know what happened, but we managed to rescue a handful of them until they succumbed to other kinds of hardware failure, finally convincing management to shell out for some replacement laptops that were covered by 3 years of hardware support. Hope this helps. Be sure that all fans are "clean" sometimes fans and grids look clean, but in the corners you need to clean it better. Usually you need to at least remove the keyboard and blow from the inside or check visually. Better airflow means at least less noise! I too fixed a freezing Dell D600 this way! Riccardo
Re: Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Brad Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I added an entry to want.html as I am looking for a laptop to replace the > laptop I have at the moment which has some really bad heat related issues > and I have been hobbling along with it for awhile now. I am in the Toronto > area. I thought I would post to misc@ for some greater exposure. Is there > anyone that would be able to help me out? > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > Hi Brad Is the fan functioning? If so, have you tried opening up the laptop and re-applying thermal grease to the CPU? If the laptop has a few years under its belt, the old grease could have perished. We had a similar issue with our ageing fleet of Dell Latitude D630s where the GPU was overheating and causing random crashes and graphics artefacts, and that cleared the problem up nicely if we got to it before it caused permanent damage to the GPU. That rarely happened since the laptops were used in rather remote areas and thanks to the moron who came before us they plugged on without letting us know what happened, but we managed to rescue a handful of them until they succumbed to other kinds of hardware failure, finally convincing management to shell out for some replacement laptops that were covered by 3 years of hardware support. Hope this helps. -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict I've taken my software vows - for beta or for worse
Looking for a laptop in the Toronto area
Hi, I added an entry to want.html as I am looking for a laptop to replace the laptop I have at the moment which has some really bad heat related issues and I have been hobbling along with it for awhile now. I am in the Toronto area. I thought I would post to misc@ for some greater exposure. Is there anyone that would be able to help me out? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
