Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Danny
Hi,

(A little off-topic)

I am due to give a little computer history talk at our local high school.

Can anyone remember how much ATT, Berkeley, SystemV or any other UNIX flavour
cost in the 70's and 80's?

Thank You

Danny



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Dorian H.
Searched on Google and found this:
ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html


On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Danny dannydeb...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 (A little off-topic)

 I am due to give a little computer history talk at our local high school.

 Can anyone remember how much ATT, Berkeley, SystemV or any other UNIX
 flavour
 cost in the 70's and 80's?

 Thank You

 Danny



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Danny
Thank you.

On Jun 10 14, Dorian H. :
 To: PPC Miscellaneous Discussions misc@openbsd.org
 Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:29:05 +0200
 From: Dorian H. doj...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: Price of Unix
 X-Loop: misc@openbsd.org
 
 Searched on Google and found this:
 ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html
 
 
 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Danny dannydeb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  (A little off-topic)
 
  I am due to give a little computer history talk at our local high school.
 
  Can anyone remember how much ATT, Berkeley, SystemV or any other UNIX
  flavour
  cost in the 70's and 80's?
 
  Thank You
 
  Danny



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Erling Westenvik
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:29:05PM +0200, Dorian H. wrote:
 Searched on Google and found this:
 ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html

Found that one too. You should be able to scare the daylights out of them
with this list in particular:

ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses/pricelist84.pdf

UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00
Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00

And so on.. :-)

 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Danny dannydeb...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,

 (A little off-topic)

 I am due to give a little computer history talk at our local high school.

 Can anyone remember how much ATT, Berkeley, SystemV or any other UNIX
 flavour
 cost in the 70's and 80's?

 Thank You

 Danny



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Nick Holland
On 06/10/14 06:48, Erling Westenvik wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:29:05PM +0200, Dorian H. wrote:
 Searched on Google and found this:
 ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html
 
 Found that one too. You should be able to scare the daylights out of them
 with this list in particular:
 
 ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses/pricelist84.pdf
 
 UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00
 Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00
 
 And so on.. :-)
 

OpenBSD: Unix, now more than 99.8% off!!
AND free additional CPUs!

What a deal!

Go buy a cd set now!

Nick.



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread David Vasek

On Tue, 10 Jun 2014, Nick Holland wrote:


UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00
Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00

And so on.. :-)



OpenBSD: Unix, now more than 99.8% off!!
AND free additional CPUs!

What a deal!

Go buy a cd set now!


It's an unfair advertisment. You are trying to conceal that the buyer will 
get by at least 99.8% less bugs.


Regards,
David



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Nick Holland contributed:

  ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses/pricelist84.pdf
  
  UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00
  Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00
  
  And so on.. :-)

When this history comes up I wonder that in order to avoid legal
issues the remaining unchanged and I guess some core parts were
re-written at Berkeley and so were all the changes good and
could/should? any of the ATT original code be re-considered today if
any legal threat has subsided/expired? Of course things being built
upon them may carry much more weight.

-- 
___

'Write programs that do one thing and do it well. Write programs to work
together. Write programs to handle text streams, because that is a
universal interface'

(Doug McIlroy)

In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd
___



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Tekk

Kevin Chadwick wrote:

previously on this list Nick Holland contributed:


ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses/pricelist84.pdf

UNIX System V, Release 2.0, Source Code (1) .. $43,000.00
Each Additional CPU .. $16,000.00

And so on.. :-)

When this history comes up I wonder that in order to avoid legal
issues the remaining unchanged and I guess some core parts were
re-written at Berkeley and so were all the changes good and
could/should? any of the ATT original code be re-considered today if
any legal threat has subsided/expired? Of course things being built
upon them may carry much more weight.

I don't see why you think the legal threat expired. *someone* still 
holds the old unix copyrights; they're probably not expiring in the 
lifetime of anyone on this list.

http://www.avast.com



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
 the old unix copyrights; they're probably not expiring in the lifetime of
 anyone on this list.

You obviously don't know me.

-- 
Antoine



Re: Price of Unix

2014-06-10 Thread Eric Furman
Of course you realize all the prices on that page were for universities.
The prices they charged businesses was *MUCH* higher.
What those prices were I don't know. I was only selling PC's, Dos
software and Novell software back then (late 80's early 90's).
For that the prices ranged from around a thousand for a single
PC with POS software to 10's of thousands of dollars for multiple
networked PC's. I don't know, but I bet what we were charging was
a pittance compared to the cost of commercial UNIX installations.
The last UNIX box I had any part of purchasing was an eight CPU
DEC machine that cost around $500,000. But that was around
2002.

On Tue, Jun 10, 2014, at 06:42 AM, Danny wrote:
 Thank you.
 
 On Jun 10 14, Dorian H. :
  To: PPC Miscellaneous Discussions misc@openbsd.org
  Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:29:05 +0200
  From: Dorian H. doj...@gmail.com
  Subject: Re: Price of Unix
  X-Loop: misc@openbsd.org
  
  Searched on Google and found this:
  ftp://cm.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/licenses.html
  
  
  On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Danny dannydeb...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hi,
  
   (A little off-topic)
  
   I am due to give a little computer history talk at our local high school.
  
   Can anyone remember how much ATT, Berkeley, SystemV or any other UNIX
   flavour
   cost in the 70's and 80's?
  
   Thank You
  
   Danny